In 2/25, ESPN can opt out of their TV agreement with the ACC. Without Clemson and FSU, the ACC no longer presents the value. Without a TV deal, the league falls apart.
Agreed. The Big 12 needs to balance out the eastern side of its conference with two more teams. Louisville and Pitt are ready-made rivals with Cincy and WVU.
Agreed…I know WVU would be happy to play their rival again and that would help the Big 12. Louisville also seems like a Big 12 school. I would avoid Miami since their program has not been the same since joining the ACC.
I wish Cal and Stanford just stuck with Oregon State and Wash state. Those 4, plus add Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Colorado State. The new Pac 8 and call it a day!
Syracuse to the B12 makes some sense... Add Pitt and BC you have travel partners for West Va and Cuse has a large alumni base in New York City as well as BC and Pitt adding two more major TV markets.
ACC WILL SURVIVE ...by MERGER with...The Notre Dame Football Conference.....which has its own media rights contract with NBC. That doesn't cost E$PiN any more money but gets E$PiN more Notre Dame away games at ACC venues. The ACC...aka...Carolina Basketball Conference already "merged" with the Big East Basketball conference. THAT is the problem they are in now!! Their "FOOTBALL Schools" are bringing in the $$$ that the Basketball Schools are reaping the benefit of!! So, the FOOTBALL Schools want to get paid what they are worth....instead of sharing it with the non-earners. Kind of like how tax-payers hate welfare leeches!
Yeah but we all know what happened the last time football and non-football schools came together. It was hell. At that point just join The American@@scotttild
Your missing something huge in Louisville… their revenue and viewership. Those would be above mid level in the Big 12 and actually assist their numbers. Also, does anyone care about academics anymore. I think the leagues are positioning to leave the current system anyway.
Nc state is apart of the nc system with nc they just passed a ruling giving the nc system board of governance full power over any of the 14 nc system schools changing conferences nc state will be attached to nc v tech will be attached to Virginia
@@elvangulley3210 although there are legit hurdles to break up unc/ncsu, Virginia is going to the Big10 WITHOUT VT. The legislation about university systems in Virginia isn’t the same as North Carolina. I do feel push come to shove, UNC would bail without NCSU but it would be tough to separate them. Not the same case in Virginia
@@elvangulley3210 I think the B10 really only wants UVA and UNC. They may be interested in getting in to Florida but I think that is their 3rd choice but maybe it becomes first option to move the other 2 they really want.
Going to 16 was what led to the end of the original Big East. For football, I think you very well could see the bifurcation the sport, with the Big 4 going on their own and the rest of the D1 conferences combining (both FBS and FCS) into a larger division.
SEC: North Carolina NC State Clemson Duke B1G: Florida State Miami Virginia Virginia Tech Big 12: Georgia Tech Pitt Louisville Think after looking at who’s aligned with who this is roughly how I think it’ll end up. Virginia and NC schools allegedly have legislature that keeps them together should they move conferences. Big 10 & Big 12 officially move into SEC territory with additions in FL, GA, and VA.
ND does get a vote even though they are not a full member. They voted to add SMU etc. FSU needs a way out fast. ND is also not part of the GOR and can pay to leave. ND will make about 86 million total with ACC, NBC and CFP Independent money vs 70 to 65 million in the Big 10 or SEC.
If you're trying to make a case where 8 ACC schools would go, you could make a case for four to go to each conference, honestly. Duke, GA Tech, NC State, and Virginia Tech are all bubble schools. Re: FSU, I think the betting odds are on FSU to the B1G. I would personally prefer the SEC and the SEC fits a lot of boxes for FSU, BUT there's a LOT of bad blood between FSU and the SEC and FSU and ESPN. If Clemson and FSU are such a great fit for the SEC and the ACC/ESPN know that both schools are virtually gone from the ACC, why is ESPN not aiding their exit right now?
Disagree. I think Tech is a first pick for B10 after they pull Clemson or FSU for a splash. They might actually come first. New pickup in Atlanta market. Extremely rich athletic history. Academics fit.
@@C-gt42069 is that you Immaculate? No, but seriously... Georgia Tech isn't on anyone's radar. Making the argument that Georgia Tech could give you the Atlanta market is like arguing that Boston College gave the ACC the Boston market. In all reality, no one in Boston cares about Boston College and that's why they were likely one of the worst additions to any conference, ever. The B10 adding Georgia Tech for the "Atlanta market" would be like them adding FIU for the "Miami market." Georgia Tech definitely has the academics and the AAU status, but their history from over 50 years ago means nothing. They're a terrible brand TODAY and they don't invest in athletics. UGA owns Georgia.
@@trclark7689 the 50 year ago comment is out of hand. They played in 3 acc championships and finished top 10 multiple times in the last 10 years. Secondly the market- not tech fans itself making the market attractive, but think about the amount of B10 fans and transplants in atlanta who will watch games at home, and go to Bobby Dodd.
Yes, they signed the original agreement but the ACC amended the agreement multiple times and it sounds like the option for CNN to opt out was not presented or signed off by the schools. Did FSU sign off on all the amendments?
FSU didn’t get paid to sign away their rights until 2036, if they did, you may have an argument for signing away their rights. Rather, there are shady dealings and sleight of hand amendments that have gone on. ESPN has clauses that give the network options. There is no guarantee that ESPN will exercise their option to continue on with the ACC. The grant of rights (GOR) contract has not been seen by many, which may be in violation of Florida’s sunshine law for a state entity to be involved with a secret contract. So many issues and back room dealings with the ACC, these matters need to be adjudicated or the ACC could let Clemson & FSU out. I like FSU & potentially GT for the B1G.
You missed a few things. UNC and NC state are tied together. By law. There is only tv money guaranteed till 2027 for the ACC so the loss of revenue is not realized for the buy out. The XII gets to renegotiate at least 5 years before the ACC so it’s a better option. The ACC forces that deal on all the teams with a threat of major financial penalties if they did not agree. And the ACC misrepresented the deal so they broke their fiduciary responsibility. Also Lou and Pitt are perfect for the XII
would be rough being BC, WF right now. You're basically just along for the ride and have to hope the conference stays together, can piece together some good additions, and/or merges with the big east, etc.
There was a leak about an unofficial group without any power to make changes (boosters etc) to individually discuss options. They never met as a group to specifically talk about the action of busting the GoR
Iirc FSU tried to join the SEC several decades ago, but Florida blocked it and are not interested in that. As a UK fan personally the only 2 teams I want to add are Duke and UNC for basketball and they do fit the SEC from a geographic standpoint. However i remember seeing how the North Carolina board of education was going to withhold funding if UNC leaves without going to the same conference as NC State because they’re both public. I’d have to look for that article again.
Splitting the triangle will not go down well in NC at all....unc, duke and nc state...trips to rupp in basketball...or Alabama in football don't begin to make up for that loss
ACC may pull some of the best schools from smaller conferences in the geographical region such as Liberty, NMSU (C-USA), ECU, Temple, Tulane, Memphis (AAC), JMU, and Marshall (Sun Belt). Everyone would be looking to level up.
FSU to the big10 actually has some momentum i think its FSU and ND to the Big10… SEC grabs Clemson and VT/UNC off RIP….if no FSU big10 might as well sub in UNC
I know there is a lot of rumors about UNC going to the SEC but they are a founding AAU member because they take their academics seriously. Therefore they fit well in the B1G with the other ivory tower snooty elites. Plus UNC must get authorization from the NC Board of Governors to do anything. Since the NC BOG doesn't want NC St being left behind I could see them allowing UNC going to the B1G and NC St going to the SEC. Then they can continue playing each other in a yearly non-con game to keep their rivalry alive. That's the only realistic scenario I could see the NC BOG allowing because there is no way NC St is getting accepted into the B1G because they don't have the academics for it.
A few comments: Clemson and FSU are BIG bound UNC and NC State (not Duke) are SEC bound VT/UVA are a package deal, VT actually applied for AAU membership last summer, so I’m guessing they’re both opting for the BIG. The SEC and BIG will both end up 24 teams. The SEC likely to pick up Okie State and Kansas as well as expanding into former ACC territory. GT is overlooked, yes, but they don’t make much sense. I do think they end up with Miami going to the BIG after the state of VA fails to change the law tying the schools and VT doesn’t get AAU membership, leading to UVA/VT to the SEC as well.
There are obviously a lot of changes coming, but why do you think Clemson is going to the Big Ten as opposed to the SEC. I live in Raleigh and most of the rumor mill has Carolina and NC State to the SEC.
FSU/Clemson to the B1G NC/NCST/VA/VATECH to the SEC Miami/GT/Duke/Louisville/Pitt/Cal/Wash St/Ore St to the Big XII Stanford goes Indy like ND BC/WF/Syracuse/SMU dissolve into the G5
NEW 24 TEAM BIG XII NW POD Wash St Oregon St Cal Colorado SW POD Utah BYU Arizona Arizona St CENTRAL POD Iowa St Kansas Kansas St Oklahoma St SOUTH POD Baylor Houston TCU Texas Tech NE POD West Virginia Louisville Cincinnati Pittsburgh SE POD UCF Miami GT Duke Play own pod each year plus one team from each other pod on a 4 year rotation.
@@Rodkicks88 I have VT in the SEC. They want VA and NC. Because of the legislation there it is believed they will all be a package deal. I don’t necessarily see Clemson as a B1G school but right now it’s looking like they will be FSUs partner and are the 2nd biggest brand. If Fox wants them then they will take them
Yes, but if the ACC 'implodes', all contracts become null and void. The contracts are based on the amount of teams within the conference. When Stanford, Cal. and SMU joined. The 'contracts' we're modified by addendums. Now with the ACC tinkering on imploding, there is a possibility that Stanford, Cal., and SMU will be out of luck. - Seeing some scenarios to where if the ACC 'implodes', there is a possibility to which the remains of the ACC might be reformed with a new commissioner and a new TV Contract. But the question, how much value does Stanford, Cal., and SMU brings to a reformed ACC conference??? The three schools are just sweating bullets right now....
You don't think that Miami joining the Big 12 is a pay bump over a raided ACC!? Especially with the Big 12 in position to negotiate a new deal in 2029 or 2030? And why would FSU join the SEC while fighting ESPN in court?
At the end of the day, ESPN, FOX, SEC and B1G will need to come to an agreement in order to avoid anti trust scrutiny of any realignment. ESPN holds the trump card since they can unilaterally trigger the GoR extension by Feb. 2025. They will be more willing to not extend if FSU and Clemson join the SEC since they also own those TV rights. Doesn't make sense for them to let the revenue from those brand go elsewhere. In exchange, Fox and B1G will get the team, market and recruiting footprint they covet; Miami.
@@7empest376I can see your point of view. But you aren’t going to be invited to the SEC. You turned down the opportunity in 1992 when Coach Bowden said “it’s easier to win national championships in the ACC.” Ironic based on how the last football season played out for you. No offense but FSU doesn’t add anything from a revenue standpoint for the SEC. It only dilutes the existing TV contract payout. I’m not insulting FSU by saying that. It’s just geography and Florida already a member of the SEC.
@@stevegoins6426 They will if ESPN still wants FSU... If not Fox will get it because B1G wants to be in the south. SEC knows B1G wants to go south. Now do you think SEC and ESPN wants the B1G with FOX in it's backyard?
@@7empest376 FSU would jump to SEC in a heart beat the problem is if your an SEC school why do you want FSU (or any ACC school). Any ACC addition does not increase my payout. If ESPN /Fox says "we will pay more" then the SEC will listen but I don't see that happening. If the SEC takes any ACC schools it would be at a big discount ie; SMU to the ACC for free.
Duke doesn't leave unless the ACC dissolves. We've very little to gain from these football shenanigans and so much to lose. Our football program is not very good and hasn't been for 90 years. Basketball is what we've got and many surrounding the university still care about the tradition of the ACC and will fight to keep us in it. I'm guessing we'll be a top team of a smaller ACC and that's OK. There's no need for us to chase the money.
Majority goes to the SEC and the rest to the Big 10 SEC: Miami, FSU, GT, UNC, NCST, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, UVA, VT, and SMU Big 10: Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, California, Stanford, and Boston College
REASONS: #1. The BIG wants Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia because of "LOCATION"..."LOCATION"..."LOCATION", (Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Richmond etc...), that plus their academics and AAU status!!! #2. High School Football Recruiting!!! #3. Georgia Tech OFFERS more to the BIG then Rutgers did then and/or does now... At least Georgia Tech has a Winning History!!! "NEWS FLASH"... PLUS, they'll get/take Cal and Stanford "CHEAP" after the collapse of the ACC... For the SAME Damn Reasons!!! Now their footprint is Coast-to-Coast, and they will have MOST of the Major TV Markets, PLUS, and this is The BIG Reason, they are "NOW", in "The HEART of DIXIE"!!! That's their plan to create one of two 24-Team Semi-Pro Super Conferences and EXIT the NCAA! The SEC counters by taking Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech with the latter two teams helping to encroach into BIG Territory!!! To get to a 24-Team Super Conference, the SEC would need to add four more teams, and since MOST of the SEC are Land Grant Institutions, NONE of the Metro Schools left in the ACC fill the bill... So, "THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE TO TURN", the Big-12, and to keep up with the BIG (Coast-to-Coast), they "POACH Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (to APPEASE Kentucky) and Utah! That's your two "SEMI-PRO, SUPER CONFERECNES", and at that point they "WILL BREAK AWAY" from the NCAA to create their own playoffs and championships in ALL SPORTS... After all, it's about "Making and KEEPING as much money as you possibly can, and to HELL with the rest of" College Athletics"!!!
UNC and Duke should go to the sec, They could have great border rivalries with UGA Tennessee and SC. Plus basketball vs UK and Tennessee. Just is way more fitting imo
These conferences make 0 sense anymore Texas Oklahoma Missouri aren’t in the southeast Cal Stanford SMU aren’t anywhere near the Atlantic this has just become stupid AF
FSU to the SEC makes sense in 1 way but it doesn't in that the SEC already has UF in the Florida state market & UGA right over the border. Not sure that UF/UGA want FSU in the SEC. Whereas the B1G wants a school like FSU to break into FL market & they are competitive with UF & Miami in the FL market vs something like a GT vs UGA.
I am guessing, one heck of deal. And honestly, I think WSU/Ore. St. should talk talking to them, and it does give more value to WSU and Ore. St. as far as media markets.
I think Cal Stanford run back to the Pac even if they get less money for a couple years. ACC never made any sense especially for Cal. Maybe they can grab ND as a football only landing spot for them. Pac can be rebuilt with different leadership. They need the right schools
@@scotttild I am guessing that both Stanford, Cal, were trying to get into partnership with Notre Dame. SMU was trying to get into Power 5 Conference anyway they could no matter what. But with the ACC tinkering, it makes even more sense now for Stanford, Cal. to start thinking of moving back west and rebuild the PAC conference with WSU and Oregon St. and even with SMU.
I think the SEC adds Florida St/Clemson then eventually Miami & NC State. The Big Ten adds North Carolina, Duke. Notre Dame will have no choice at this point due to the ACC being watered down and will join the Big Ten under the condition that Stanford be admitted. The Big 12 will add San Diego St, Cal (which at this point has no choice). I know neither are good at FB, especially the Aztecs, but the league will wanna satisfy the AZ schools, Utah, Colorado by giving them access to Ca. And they'll also take Louisville, who actually did want to be in The Big 12, the first realignment go around, along with Ga Tech. I agree with how valuable the Atlanta market is. Plus, this gives UCF someone regionally they can play. And Ga Tech isn't gonna say no. That leaves Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Virginia, Va Tech, and Wake on the outside. Virginia is caught in an area where they're not in a big media market, and they're competing against a lot of teams that have bigger brands and power, specifically Notre Dame for a limited amount of spots in the Big Ten. Their lack of FB success hurts them in the eyes of the SEC. And while schools like Cal, Ga Tech would look down their nose at the academics of Big 12 schools. They're also very low on the totem pole and would love to find any way to leapfrog a lot of other schools. Pitt and Louisville were really close, but i went with Louisville. I just think there's more upside there. One thing that would be cool is if Syracuse followed UConn's lead and put their FB program in, say the MAC, and went back to the Big East in other sports. Most importantly, basketball. Jon Rothstein said it best in a tweet. Syracuse basketball at the Big East tournament is a happening. Syracuse basketball at the ACC tournament is irrelevant.
At what point does the Big East come into play again with Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Boston College, it makes a lot of sense. They can bring football back as well
The blocking of fsu by florida to joining the sec is a myth. Florida has actually sponsored fsu to join several times. Coach ray graves was very vocal about just that in '62, '63, and '68.
Miami Happy with the ACC? Not if FSU and Clemson leave, It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes are exploring their options. Remember Miami negotiated their exit from the Big East to the ACC in secret and later had to pay a fine and lost some scholarships. As a fan I hope the Big 10 expands and takes Miami and Florida State.
It’s okay leftovers. The pac 12 has a conference, a network and a new deal with the cw where the leftovers will be welcome with the best of the mwc and aac as well. If the 3.6 mil cfp money the pac 2 is getting is any sign then we should get 12-15 mil from media partners and be solidly in 4th and maintain power status.
FSU and Clemson not going to the SEC as the SEC has teams that do not want to add them. UNC and NC State are linked due to the state legislature stepping in. That same scenario is for VT/UVA. Not sure why more talk about just rebranding the ACC. Where the top teams leave to form a 8/10 team conference to renegotiate a better TV deal per school. Big 10 and SEC will have a hard time taking more teams w/o taking a cut in TV revenue so the schools moving would need a landing place.
There is a twist on the GOR; which, may come out. There is a number of teams requirement that the ACC must not fall below in the ACC/ESPN Contract. My trusted source says (13) Notre Dame does not count. Others say (15). Miami has released a statement they are happy in the ACC. There was a breakdown of tv viewership for football from 2016 - 2023: 1) Alabama 2) Ohio State 3) Texas 4) Florida State. Now: Georgia Tech could be invited for market knowing Georgia is the favorite College football team in the State & Florida State University is the 2nd most popular College football team in the State of Georgia. There is some validity to the Florida State/Notre Dame bundle to the B1G. The $$$ figures being thrown around are huge! FSU would likely want another university located in the South Eastern part of the country: With UNC the B1G would already have the State of North Carolina. Duke? Duke? Duke? At the moment it is a wait & see. ESPN needs money & the ACC 2025 & 2027 secret is out. Some ACC teams are seem destined too become Group-5 teams.
The B1G has an escalation clause built into it's media deal for expansion, but the only school named is Notre Dame. That means any other schools added would need to be paid for by either Fox or a new media partner. Fox just bumped up the current media deal to add Wa/Or, they might not be interested in doing it again. The ceiling for any new team not ND that's added to the B1G before the next media deal is half shares. So yeah, FSU isn't getting some crazy windfall, they would more than Likely be making the same as they are getting in the ACC till the next media deal in 2030.
I could see Syracuse, Duke, and Boston college going to the big east for all sports and independents in football. I think it would make sense wake to the American, everyone else I think has a significantly larger chance than those 4 to find a new home in the B12, B1G, or SEC. Also sleeping on Louisville is a mistake, remember the history of the school and that they are the second largest TV drawing ACC team only behind FSU. The school has serious value and can be competitive in the B1G or SEC. The new teams I have no idea, probably the mountain west honestly.
The only AAU schools in ACC are Pitt, Cal, Stanford, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, GT, and ND. So these schools would on B1G target list FSU and Clemson would head to SEC if they leave.
Only one of those schools is named in the B1G escalation clause, that's Notre Dame. The rest would either need Fox to make a huge investment in the current media deal or find another media partner. Fox just bumped up the media deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or not sure they want to do it again. Another thing is any new teams added not named Notre Dame will have to settle for partial shares till the next media deal with the ceiling being half shares.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the power two conferences are going to balloon up to 50 schools in total so they can Finally make a better playoff where they can grab the top 10 teams from their conference and maybe grab four other schools from the minor conferences to eventually boot them all out to only have the top 14 teams from their conference
It makes so much sense. Money, geographically, natural rivalries but ND will hold out as long as they can. They have a contract with NBC till 2030. They're independence means a lot to them and unless not getting a first round bye brothers them (they say that it doesn't) I don't see them joining the BIG. No other conference is a good fit.
If Louisville has a few great seasons in a row they could help keep the acc alive, but they lost their last games so we'll see next season if that's a bad sign
They just need to do a four conference (North, South, Midwest, West) football-only major re-alignment of geographic conferences (with some respect for historic rivalries)
That's already been tried. Pac10 failed because no one watches football in most of West coast. Plus all the recruits are in the southeast and TX. conferences outside of these regions couldnt survive that's why big12 and b1g are moving into florida
After the Super League adds the 50 most valuable schools they can break them back down into regional divisions to support rivalries. Then they will cover the most populated regions of the country and have 99.8% of the college football fans.
super conferences will make sense at a certain size they will just make east and west divisions again, and cross over play will be limited. will be the end of NCAA and replaced with just the conferences themselves
ND, Duke, UNC, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State leave the ACC. Stanford, SMU, California, Pittbsurgh, Syracuse, Louisville, Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech will form the first FBS football-only conference. Adds Washington State, Oregon State, Memphis, USF, UConn, and Tulane.
They wouldn't. Any teams not named Notre Dame would be at the mercy of Fox and if Fox isn't willing to add money, then they would search for another media partner, like Apple TV or something. Fox bumped up the deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or, would they do it again so soon? Some fans are in for a reality check, cause outside ND, nobody is getting a full share in the middle of a media deal, Best case scenario is half shares till 2030, that's the ceiling, but definitely not the floor.
Everything is based on ESPN and Fox Sports if they are willingly to increase funding to the SEC and BIG10 to add Clemson and FSU. If they are willing to provide the funding those schools are gone. The problem with the ACC in that case is ESPN may not be willing to renew the current deal in 2025 because the conference will be watered down. If ESPN is willing to to renew the contract in 2025 and the remaining universities want to stay together the conference could add OSU and WSU to replace Clemson and FSU.
The B1G just bumped up the media deal less than a year ago and might not have the appetite to do it again. Notre Dame is the only school named in the B1G escalation clause. So If Fox does decide to bump it up again for two ACC then the max is half shares, no ACC team outside ND are getting anymore than that.
Big ten would take Miami, Virginia, and North Carolina, but what they really want is Notre Dame. Notre Dame can't afford to not join either the big ten or sec for very long. If they aren't an AAU university, they probably aren't going to the big ten.
Depends on where the money is coming from and if those schools are willing to accept partial shares till 2030. Notre Dame is already listed in the B1G media deals escalation clause, no other schools are named. The other schools would have to hope Fox or someone else pays enough for those extra games that they could get partial shares, the best case scenario would be half shares till 2030, the same thing they gave Wa/Or last year.
The SEC is the real problem. 5 teams that do not belong in the conference. Missouri, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi State. I will not be wasting my time watching them, period. With those teams gone from the SEC I would bring in Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia. Now up north to the Big Ten I would rid the conference of going nowhere schools like Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern. I would replace them with Notre Dame, Utah, Kansas State, West Virginia and TCU. The rest of the teams would make up 1 new conference, the poop conference. Competition is important.
Ole miss Isn’t leaving the SEC Period. Only way that box comes to the table is if Miss State leaves. I do see the possibility of Vanderbilt leaving and joining a group of five, or possibly going independent, or even form a southern Ivy League alliance with the other major Private Schools in the South. Mizzou and Kentucky are both interesting cases: Kentucky is an original member of the SEC, but they’re closer to most of the Big 10 East compared to about half of the SEC West schools, and it’s about equidistant to the Big 10 East schools to some of the SEC East Schools (namely Florida and South Carolina. Georgia is about equidistant to most of the Big 10 East schools, (Indiana the lone exception) Mizzou moving in 2012 (along with Texas A&M) made them feel alienated since it is a way longer trip to the other SEC East schools compared to some Big 12 Schools. Mizzou is in the west central region of the state, and is about 2 hours east of KC, add an extra hour and you’re in Lawrence KS. At least five Big 12 schools are within 7 Hours of Columbia MO The closest SEC East City, Nashville, to Columbia MO? 6 and 1/2 hours away. Everyone else (in the SEC East) is at least a 7 Hour Drive away. The closest SEC school period? Arkansas (they’re about 5 hours away, but still that would put them behind Kansas, K-State, and Iowa State, while being almost equidistant to Nebraska.) This means that Mizzou is closer to 3 big 12 (and 1 Big Ten) schools compared to the SEC.
So strange that the ACC has put themselves in this position, what did they think would happen with this financial disparity? Did they think all the ACC schools would just die a slow football death over the next decade? An impossible situation for any school that cares about it's football program
My prediction of what happens with the ACC: - FSU & Clemson start the domino effect and go to the SEC. - B1G responds and adds NC, UVA & Miami (SEC is not gonna want 3 FL schools) - ND sees the writing on the wall and ultimately decide to join the B1G - I think SEC will still want to expand in the North Carolina/Virginia market and add NC State & VA Tech to get the conference to 20 total - Big 12 take advantage of the opportunity and add Pitt & Louisville - B1G finally adds Stanford & Cal to help with setting up divisions/pods and get the conference to a whopping 24 team total - Duke refuses to join Big 12 and the remaining ACC (BC, GT, Cuse & WF) add UConn and partner with Big East for Mens & Womens basketball to create an elite Bball conference and fight to get their conference champ a bid for the CFP every year
The B1G has an escalation clause for Notre Dame, but nobody else. The other ACC schools you have going to the B1G paying their own way, like what SMU was doing in the ACC?
Duke and UNC are not tied together. SEC nor Big 10 will want Duke. Carolina and Duke basketball will be playing at least 1 game a year. They are 8 miles apart so conference matters little to this rivalry. Duke will be in Big 12, which is basically a basketball conference. Notre Dame is No 1 prize to both conferences. No.2. is UNC. Then the dominoes will fall.
Why if it’s all about $ and FB, do schools like unc get taunted. Unc is not a fb school, has no fb fan base. Sec and Big10 $ are not about basketball, or Olympic sports. How many time do conversations start this way- yet unc gets tatted as coveted ???
Why wouldnt the 7 remainibg acc teams add 2 aac teams or app state and round out a 9 team western division based around washington state, oregon state, utsa, smu, boise state, san diego st, fresno state.
Because that sounds like a garbage conference, like sub-Conference USA level. In order to survive, conferences have to be chock full of massive, brand name schools or just be the MAC or the Sunbelt
big ten will not be taking in any new teams that aren't AAU members. So Virginia, Miami, UNC and Doke to the big ten. Maybe add Norte dame and Stanford.
FSU has the 55th ranked academics, which is better then half the B1G. They have to join the B1G to get voted into the AAU because the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to use their academic influence to get them voted in if they join the SEC. Plus FSU already meets the qualifications to get in and they are more valuable then Miami. FSU is a large state school with a large alumni and fan base. Miami is a rinky dink private school with a tiny alumni base and a non-existent fan base that hasn't been seen in the last 20+ years.
I hope you're right. Love to have FSU but I know they aren't getting in unless they are an AAU member. Norte Dame and Miami just got voted in in 2023. That is why I think they are both coming in. But I will be happy if FSU does come in for all the reasons you stated over Miami. But I think there is a correlation between them getting into AAU in them soon to join the big ten. Same with Arizona State for Hockey. @@roris5882
@@roris5882 And quitely in the shadows is USF who is an AAU member with new stadium approved and a larger student base than FSU. I am obviously aware of the name brand'ness of all involved, but something to think about.
College football isn't really part of the NCAA. The NCAA should dissolve all conferences for non football sports and manage everything themselves. Then let ESPN, Dr. Pepper, Nike, All-State, and Capital One figure out football.
Its laughable that the BIG12 believes they have leverage to add VA schools. The travel for one neither would agree to. Especially with WVU only being the closest drive. Both schools are known for staying in conferences that keep them geographically regional. Playing a conference😊
Georgia Tech will not be left out of either the Big 10 or the SEC. The Big 10 offered GT a few years back which GT declined. GT is an AAU school as well which is a requirement for the Big 10. The other factor is I don't see a world where the SEC would let the Big 10 into the heart of SEC country and would most likely offer GT as well.
Did you say Louisville doesnt have a stadium? NBA level Basketball stadium, and a 64k seat Football stadium? I mean 64k isnt huge but it aint small either.
With SEC and BIG 10 obviously expanding, with Texas A&M mabey moving to the big10 we know the SEC will get some top tier teams 2 or more why wouldn't Georgia Tech move to the SEC, they were after all a founding member of the SEC, that would also give Georgia 2 teams in the SEC just like Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi and Florida if Florida St. Joins What about Georgia Tech to the SEC
Our top source here at Texas A&M has said we are not interested in the Big Ten on a Greg Swaim post about the very topic you speak of. We are NOT leaving. Idk how many times I have to say this to people
If those teams pull out, I don’t see why Stanford and Cal would stick with the new “mountain west” ACC. Go back to PAC, take SDSU, SMU, Boise State, etc and call it a day.
Stanford isn't going to a "mountain west" Pac either. They're going hitchhike a ride with Notre Dame and if that fails, they're willing to go Independent or let non Olympic sports die.
Imagine those Miami players and fans on the sidelines and stands of Manhattan, Ks or even Ames lol South Beach is a world away from those 2 in every aspect
@@Rodkicks88 At least people in Pennsylvania and New York visit Miami, you see any corn fed middle of the country folk walking around south beach? Think deeper guys, it's a culture shock
How are these schools getting out of that grant of rights deal? Idc who it is nobody is looking to foot a 300-900 million buy out. I doubt this conference is going anywhere until 2036
@@AlvinBeard good for them, but i don’t think it’s worth it, but hey it’s not my money and fsu is in a power 4 conference it may be the weakest of the power 4 because i think the big 12 is ahead of them even with Texas and Oklahoma leaving. FSU has a clear path to a top 4 seed in the playoffs and that’s all they want so they can have a bye.
Wake, The Q, GTech and Boston College would end up in the AAC, UL, Miami, Pitt and NCS to the Big 12, SMU, Stanford and Cal head back west with tails tucked
Too bad the conference can't stay together but if football wants to play elsewhere ok.But doubt that would ever happen and don't see how. Just hate seeing ACC fall
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In 2/25, ESPN can opt out of their TV agreement with the ACC. Without Clemson and FSU, the ACC no longer presents the value. Without a TV deal, the league falls apart.
Actually, Louisville and Pitt make complete sense for the Big 12's new footprint.
Agreed. The Big 12 needs to balance out the eastern side of its conference with two more teams. Louisville and Pitt are ready-made rivals with Cincy and WVU.
@@bryanjones8778 Ncs ,VT would be good gets as well
With West Virginia and Cincinnati, I agree.
Agreed…I know WVU would be happy to play their rival again and that would help the Big 12. Louisville also seems like a Big 12 school. I would avoid Miami since their program has not been the same since joining the ACC.
Yeah he was way off with that take
I wish Cal and Stanford just stuck with Oregon State and Wash state. Those 4, plus add Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Colorado State. The new Pac 8 and call it a day!
That may eventually happen
Possible revival of the big east? Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, BC
Syracuse to the B12 makes some sense... Add Pitt and BC you have travel partners for West Va and Cuse has a large alumni base in New York City as well as BC and Pitt adding two more major TV markets.
Acc may survive with Big East merger
ACC WILL SURVIVE ...by MERGER with...The Notre Dame Football Conference.....which has its own media rights contract with NBC. That doesn't cost E$PiN any more money but gets E$PiN more Notre Dame away games at ACC venues.
The ACC...aka...Carolina Basketball Conference already "merged" with the Big East Basketball conference. THAT is the problem they are in now!! Their "FOOTBALL Schools" are bringing in the $$$ that the Basketball Schools are reaping the benefit of!! So, the FOOTBALL Schools want to get paid what they are worth....instead of sharing it with the non-earners. Kind of like how tax-payers hate welfare leeches!
That's definitely an option. Have BC Syracuse Pitt Louisville rejoining their old conference
Why would they get back together?
One word MONEY
Yeah but we all know what happened the last time football and non-football schools came together. It was hell. At that point just join The American@@scotttild
Your missing something huge in Louisville… their revenue and viewership. Those would be above mid level in the Big 12 and actually assist their numbers. Also, does anyone care about academics anymore. I think the leagues are positioning to leave the current system anyway.
Should have taken Louisville when they took Tcu ,W Virginia .
Anything can happen HOWEVER B10 still likes to present the illusion of academic superiority. No school that is not AAU has ever been admitted to B10.
Depending on who the P2 take from the ACC, my guess is Pitt, Louisville, NCSt & VT could go to the B12z
Nc state is apart of the nc system with nc they just passed a ruling giving the nc system board of governance full power over any of the 14 nc system schools changing conferences nc state will be attached to nc v tech will be attached to Virginia
I would love that!
@@elvangulley3210 although there are legit hurdles to break up unc/ncsu, Virginia is going to the Big10 WITHOUT VT. The legislation about university systems in Virginia isn’t the same as North Carolina. I do feel push come to shove, UNC would bail without NCSU but it would be tough to separate them. Not the same case in Virginia
@Rodkicks88 if the sec was able to get nc would Virginia want to go to the big 10 do they want to be separated from nc and duke
@@elvangulley3210 I think the B10 really only wants UVA and UNC.
They may be interested in getting in to Florida but I think that is their 3rd choice but maybe it becomes first option to move the other 2 they really want.
What time are you going live tonight
Well said - voice of reason . . .
Big12 probably be looks at Louisville/Pitt/Virginia Tech/and maybe Miami or NC State
Yep
Going to 16 was what led to the end of the original Big East. For football, I think you very well could see the bifurcation the sport, with the Big 4 going on their own and the rest of the D1 conferences combining (both FBS and FCS) into a larger division.
SEC:
North Carolina
NC State
Clemson
Duke
B1G:
Florida State
Miami
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Big 12:
Georgia Tech
Pitt
Louisville
Think after looking at who’s aligned with who this is roughly how I think it’ll end up. Virginia and NC schools allegedly have legislature that keeps them together should they move conferences. Big 10 & Big 12 officially move into SEC territory with additions in FL, GA, and VA.
Stanford, Cal, and SMU don't become voting members until July 1. Those mag 7 could vote to dissolve if 1 more agrees to the vote by June 30.
Yup, the three schools are just sweating bullets right now....
Does ND have a vote
No ND is only a partial member I don’t believe they get a full vote. They might get an advisory vote.
ND does get a vote even though they are not a full member. They voted to add SMU etc. FSU needs a way out fast. ND is also not part of the GOR and can pay to leave. ND will make about 86 million total with ACC, NBC and CFP Independent money vs 70 to 65 million in the Big 10 or SEC.
Louisville Georgia Tech, and Pitt could vote to if the 12 offers
If you're trying to make a case where 8 ACC schools would go, you could make a case for four to go to each conference, honestly. Duke, GA Tech, NC State, and Virginia Tech are all bubble schools.
Re: FSU, I think the betting odds are on FSU to the B1G. I would personally prefer the SEC and the SEC fits a lot of boxes for FSU, BUT there's a LOT of bad blood between FSU and the SEC and FSU and ESPN. If Clemson and FSU are such a great fit for the SEC and the ACC/ESPN know that both schools are virtually gone from the ACC, why is ESPN not aiding their exit right now?
What did FSU do the SEC and ESPN to cause bad blood
Isn’t it strange how money makes schools forget the bad blood? You are probably right, just strange bedfellows can happen.
Disagree. I think Tech is a first pick for B10 after they pull Clemson or FSU for a splash. They might actually come first. New pickup in Atlanta market. Extremely rich athletic history. Academics fit.
@@C-gt42069 is that you Immaculate? No, but seriously... Georgia Tech isn't on anyone's radar. Making the argument that Georgia Tech could give you the Atlanta market is like arguing that Boston College gave the ACC the Boston market. In all reality, no one in Boston cares about Boston College and that's why they were likely one of the worst additions to any conference, ever. The B10 adding Georgia Tech for the "Atlanta market" would be like them adding FIU for the "Miami market."
Georgia Tech definitely has the academics and the AAU status, but their history from over 50 years ago means nothing. They're a terrible brand TODAY and they don't invest in athletics. UGA owns Georgia.
@@trclark7689 the 50 year ago comment is out of hand. They played in 3 acc championships and finished top 10 multiple times in the last 10 years.
Secondly the market- not tech fans itself making the market attractive, but think about the amount of B10 fans and transplants in atlanta who will watch games at home, and go to Bobby Dodd.
Yes, they signed the original agreement but the ACC amended the agreement multiple times and it sounds like the option for CNN to opt out was not presented or signed off by the schools. Did FSU sign off on all the amendments?
FSU didn’t get paid to sign away their rights until 2036, if they did, you may have an argument for signing away their rights. Rather, there are shady dealings and sleight of hand amendments that have gone on.
ESPN has clauses that give the network options. There is no guarantee that ESPN will exercise their option to continue on with the ACC.
The grant of rights (GOR) contract has not been seen by many, which may be in violation of Florida’s sunshine law for a state entity to be involved with a secret contract. So many issues and back room dealings with the ACC, these matters need to be adjudicated or the ACC could let Clemson & FSU out.
I like FSU & potentially GT for the B1G.
You missed a few things. UNC and NC state are tied together. By law.
There is only tv money guaranteed till 2027 for the ACC so the loss of revenue is not realized for the buy out.
The XII gets to renegotiate at least 5 years before the ACC so it’s a better option.
The ACC forces that deal on all the teams with a threat of major financial penalties if they did not agree. And the ACC misrepresented the deal so they broke their fiduciary responsibility.
Also Lou and Pitt are perfect for the XII
would be rough being BC, WF right now. You're basically just along for the ride and have to hope the conference stays together, can piece together some good additions, and/or merges with the big east, etc.
There was a leak about an unofficial group without any power to make changes (boosters etc) to individually discuss options. They never met as a group to specifically talk about the action of busting the GoR
Do you think uva, vt, nc state or Lville Will stay in ACC or move to b12?
The last three have decent .possibility the only i see uva joining big 12 is if VT is on it and all other major acc brands or gone
Iirc FSU tried to join the SEC several decades ago, but Florida blocked it and are not interested in that. As a UK fan personally the only 2 teams I want to add are Duke and UNC for basketball and they do fit the SEC from a geographic standpoint. However i remember seeing how the North Carolina board of education was going to withhold funding if UNC leaves without going to the same conference as NC State because they’re both public. I’d have to look for that article again.
agree seeing UNC and duke at Rupp year in and year our would be must see TV.
Splitting the triangle will not go down well in NC at all....unc, duke and nc state...trips to rupp in basketball...or Alabama in football don't begin to make up for that loss
Basketball $ is chump change compared to football $
love the graph
Clemson,Florida St, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina St wants out .
What will you have left ?
We need someone to step in here
ACC may pull some of the best schools from smaller conferences in the geographical region such as Liberty, NMSU (C-USA), ECU, Temple, Tulane, Memphis (AAC), JMU, and Marshall (Sun Belt). Everyone would be looking to level up.
and basically, becoming a joke league
I think Clemson would choose the SEC over the BIG10 in a heartbeat if given the option to join either league
FSU to the big10 actually has some momentum i think its FSU and ND to the Big10… SEC grabs Clemson and VT/UNC off RIP….if no FSU big10 might as well sub in UNC
I know there is a lot of rumors about UNC going to the SEC but they are a founding AAU member because they take their academics seriously. Therefore they fit well in the B1G with the other ivory tower snooty elites. Plus UNC must get authorization from the NC Board of Governors to do anything. Since the NC BOG doesn't want NC St being left behind I could see them allowing UNC going to the B1G and NC St going to the SEC. Then they can continue playing each other in a yearly non-con game to keep their rivalry alive. That's the only realistic scenario I could see the NC BOG allowing because there is no way NC St is getting accepted into the B1G because they don't have the academics for it.
A few comments:
Clemson and FSU are BIG bound
UNC and NC State (not Duke) are SEC bound
VT/UVA are a package deal, VT actually applied for AAU membership last summer, so I’m guessing they’re both opting for the BIG.
The SEC and BIG will both end up 24 teams. The SEC likely to pick up Okie State and Kansas as well as expanding into former ACC territory.
GT is overlooked, yes, but they don’t make much sense. I do think they end up with Miami going to the BIG after the state of VA fails to change the law tying the schools and VT doesn’t get AAU membership, leading to UVA/VT to the SEC as well.
There are obviously a lot of changes coming, but why do you think Clemson is going to the Big Ten as opposed to the SEC. I live in Raleigh and most of the rumor mill has Carolina and NC State to the SEC.
I can see Notre Dame, FSU, Miami and Clemson forming their own power conference for football only.
FSU/Clemson to the B1G
NC/NCST/VA/VATECH to the SEC
Miami/GT/Duke/Louisville/Pitt/Cal/Wash St/Ore St to the Big XII
Stanford goes Indy like ND
BC/WF/Syracuse/SMU dissolve into the G5
NEW 24 TEAM BIG XII
NW POD
Wash St
Oregon St
Cal
Colorado
SW POD
Utah
BYU
Arizona
Arizona St
CENTRAL POD
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
SOUTH POD
Baylor
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
NE POD
West Virginia
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
SE POD
UCF
Miami
GT
Duke
Play own pod each year plus one team from each other pod on a 4 year rotation.
Could work.
@@davidtemple2831 l like it but unfortunately I don’t see Miami in the big12 or VT in the B1G. I would switch the two.
Washington St gave Iowa State a good run today in the NCAA basketball tourny. I've always said WSU belongs in the Big 12
@@Rodkicks88 I have VT in the SEC. They want VA and NC. Because of the legislation there it is believed they will all be a package deal. I don’t necessarily see Clemson as a B1G school but right now it’s looking like they will be FSUs partner and are the 2nd biggest brand. If Fox wants them then they will take them
They signed the contract yes; But there is a Competitve Revenue Release Clause in that GOR
Yes, but if the ACC 'implodes', all contracts become null and void. The contracts are based on the amount of teams within the conference. When Stanford, Cal. and SMU joined. The 'contracts' we're modified by addendums. Now with the ACC tinkering on imploding, there is a possibility that Stanford, Cal., and SMU will be out of luck. - Seeing some scenarios to where if the ACC 'implodes', there is a possibility to which the remains of the ACC might be reformed with a new commissioner and a new TV Contract. But the question, how much value does Stanford, Cal., and SMU brings to a reformed ACC conference??? The three schools are just sweating bullets right now....
You’re way behind on information and you’re well phone reasons why what you’re talking about 2:49
You don't think that Miami joining the Big 12 is a pay bump over a raided ACC!? Especially with the Big 12 in position to negotiate a new deal in 2029 or 2030? And why would FSU join the SEC while fighting ESPN in court?
We @FSU doesn't want to go to SEC.... Were sick of the SEC chants, SEC Teams, and ESPN...
At the end of the day, ESPN, FOX, SEC and B1G will need to come to an agreement in order to avoid anti trust scrutiny of any realignment. ESPN holds the trump card since they can unilaterally trigger the GoR extension by Feb. 2025. They will be more willing to not extend if FSU and Clemson join the SEC since they also own those TV rights. Doesn't make sense for them to let the revenue from those brand go elsewhere.
In exchange, Fox and B1G will get the team, market and recruiting footprint they covet; Miami.
@@7empest376I can see your point of view. But you aren’t going to be invited to the SEC. You turned down the opportunity in 1992 when Coach Bowden said “it’s easier to win national championships in the ACC.” Ironic based on how the last football season played out for you. No offense but FSU doesn’t add anything from a revenue standpoint for the SEC. It only dilutes the existing TV contract payout. I’m not insulting FSU by saying that. It’s just geography and Florida already a member of the SEC.
@@stevegoins6426 They will if ESPN still wants FSU... If not Fox will get it because B1G wants to be in the south. SEC knows B1G wants to go south. Now do you think SEC and ESPN wants the B1G with FOX in it's backyard?
@@7empest376 FSU would jump to SEC in a heart beat the problem is if your an SEC school why do you want FSU (or any ACC school). Any ACC addition does not increase my payout. If ESPN /Fox says "we will pay more" then the SEC will listen but I don't see that happening. If the SEC takes any ACC schools it would be at a big discount ie; SMU to the ACC for free.
I love acc basketball would hate to see them implode
The tradition is starting over by our own minds.
Big 12 will look to add Miami, Louisville, Pitt, NC State, and VT.
Duke doesn't leave unless the ACC dissolves. We've very little to gain from these football shenanigans and so much to lose. Our football program is not very good and hasn't been for 90 years. Basketball is what we've got and many surrounding the university still care about the tradition of the ACC and will fight to keep us in it. I'm guessing we'll be a top team of a smaller ACC and that's OK. There's no need for us to chase the money.
I hope FSU, Duke and NC come to the Big 10.
Plus Duke is an elite academic school with humongous endowment.
The Big 12 is looking at Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami are NC State, possibly Duke.
Majority goes to the SEC and the rest to the Big 10
SEC: Miami, FSU, GT, UNC, NCST, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, UVA, VT, and SMU
Big 10: Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, California, Stanford, and Boston College
REASONS:
#1. The BIG wants Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia because of "LOCATION"..."LOCATION"..."LOCATION", (Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Richmond etc...), that plus their academics and AAU status!!!
#2. High School Football Recruiting!!!
#3. Georgia Tech OFFERS more to the BIG then Rutgers did then and/or does now... At least Georgia Tech has a Winning History!!!
"NEWS FLASH"... PLUS, they'll get/take Cal and Stanford "CHEAP" after the collapse of the ACC... For the SAME Damn Reasons!!!
Now their footprint is Coast-to-Coast, and they will have MOST of the Major TV Markets, PLUS, and this is The BIG Reason, they are "NOW", in "The HEART of DIXIE"!!!
That's their plan to create one of two 24-Team Semi-Pro Super Conferences and EXIT the NCAA!
The SEC counters by taking Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech with the latter two teams helping to encroach into BIG Territory!!!
To get to a 24-Team Super Conference, the SEC would need to add four more teams, and since MOST of the SEC are Land Grant Institutions, NONE of the Metro Schools left in the ACC fill the bill... So, "THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE TO TURN", the Big-12, and to keep up with the BIG (Coast-to-Coast), they "POACH Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (to APPEASE Kentucky) and Utah!
That's your two "SEMI-PRO, SUPER CONFERECNES", and at that point they "WILL BREAK AWAY" from the NCAA to create their own playoffs and championships in ALL SPORTS... After all, it's about "Making and KEEPING as much money as you possibly can, and to HELL with the rest of" College Athletics"!!!
Sounds like you're just making up or guessing what MAY happen as opposed to any inside info.
UNC and Duke should go to the sec, They could have great border rivalries with UGA Tennessee and SC. Plus basketball vs UK and Tennessee. Just is way more fitting imo
These conferences make 0 sense anymore Texas Oklahoma Missouri aren’t in the southeast Cal Stanford SMU aren’t anywhere near the Atlantic this has just become stupid AF
The conferences keep name and change teams. You know big ten has more than ten teams now.
FSU to the SEC makes sense in 1 way but it doesn't in that the SEC already has UF in the Florida state market & UGA right over the border. Not sure that UF/UGA want FSU in the SEC. Whereas the B1G wants a school like FSU to break into FL market & they are competitive with UF & Miami in the FL market vs something like a GT vs UGA.
Well they just added Texas even though they had A&M... I don't think FSU wants ESPN or the SEC we already turned them down in 1993
UGA doesn't care and UF will hush that noise when Sankey tells them how much new money is coming in with those additions.
How much does OSU/WSU charge Standord and Cal to rejoin the Pac 🤔
I am guessing, one heck of deal. And honestly, I think WSU/Ore. St. should talk talking to them, and it does give more value to WSU and Ore. St. as far as media markets.
I think Cal Stanford run back to the Pac even if they get less money for a couple years. ACC never made any sense especially for Cal. Maybe they can grab ND as a football only landing spot for them. Pac can be rebuilt with different leadership. They need the right schools
@@scotttild I am guessing that both Stanford, Cal, were trying to get into partnership with Notre Dame. SMU was trying to get into Power 5 Conference anyway they could no matter what. But with the ACC tinkering, it makes even more sense now for Stanford, Cal. to start thinking of moving back west and rebuild the PAC conference with WSU and Oregon St. and even with SMU.
I think the SEC adds Florida St/Clemson then eventually Miami & NC State.
The Big Ten adds North Carolina, Duke. Notre Dame will have no choice at this point due to the ACC being watered down and will join the Big Ten under the condition that Stanford be admitted.
The Big 12 will add San Diego St, Cal (which at this point has no choice). I know neither are good at FB, especially the Aztecs, but the league will wanna satisfy the AZ schools, Utah, Colorado by giving them access to Ca. And they'll also take Louisville, who actually did want to be in The Big 12, the first realignment go around, along with Ga Tech. I agree with how valuable the Atlanta market is. Plus, this gives UCF someone regionally they can play. And Ga Tech isn't gonna say no.
That leaves Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Virginia, Va Tech, and Wake on the outside.
Virginia is caught in an area where they're not in a big media market, and they're competing against a lot of teams that have bigger brands and power, specifically Notre Dame for a limited amount of spots in the Big Ten. Their lack of FB success hurts them in the eyes of the SEC. And while schools like Cal, Ga Tech would look down their nose at the academics of Big 12 schools. They're also very low on the totem pole and would love to find any way to leapfrog a lot of other schools.
Pitt and Louisville were really close, but i went with Louisville. I just think there's more upside there.
One thing that would be cool is if Syracuse followed UConn's lead and put their FB program in, say the MAC, and went back to the Big East in other sports. Most importantly, basketball.
Jon Rothstein said it best in a tweet. Syracuse basketball at the Big East tournament is a happening.
Syracuse basketball at the ACC tournament is irrelevant.
This looks like an elementary school's poster at a science fair:))
At what point does the Big East come into play again with Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Boston College, it makes a lot of sense. They can bring football back as well
The three new teams don’t have a vote until they officially join the ACC.
Why would Univ. of Florida or South Carolina allow FSU and Clemson into the SEC?
The blocking of fsu by florida to joining the sec is a myth. Florida has actually sponsored fsu to join several times. Coach ray graves was very vocal about just that in '62, '63, and '68.
These comments explain why so many people are bad at investing in the stock market.
Miami Happy with the ACC? Not if FSU and Clemson leave, It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes are exploring their options. Remember Miami negotiated their exit from the Big East to the ACC in secret and later had to pay a fine and lost some scholarships. As a fan I hope the Big 10 expands and takes Miami and Florida State.
It’s okay leftovers. The pac 12 has a conference, a network and a new deal with the cw where the leftovers will be welcome with the best of the mwc and aac as well. If the 3.6 mil cfp money the pac 2 is getting is any sign then we should get 12-15 mil from media partners and be solidly in 4th and maintain power status.
FSU and Clemson not going to the SEC as the SEC has teams that do not want to add them. UNC and NC State are linked due to the state legislature stepping in. That same scenario is for VT/UVA.
Not sure why more talk about just rebranding the ACC. Where the top teams leave to form a 8/10 team conference to renegotiate a better TV deal per school. Big 10 and SEC will have a hard time taking more teams w/o taking a cut in TV revenue so the schools moving would need a landing place.
It’s not an iron clad gor. All they need are 8 votes and I think they have 10
There is a twist on the GOR; which, may come out. There is a number of teams requirement that the ACC must not fall below in the ACC/ESPN Contract. My trusted source says (13) Notre Dame does not count. Others say (15). Miami has released a statement they are happy in the ACC. There was a breakdown of tv viewership for football from 2016 - 2023: 1) Alabama 2) Ohio State 3) Texas 4) Florida State. Now: Georgia Tech could be invited for market knowing Georgia is the favorite College football team in the State & Florida State University is the 2nd most popular College football team in the State of Georgia. There is some validity to the Florida State/Notre Dame bundle to the B1G. The $$$ figures being thrown around are huge! FSU would likely want another university located in the South Eastern part of the country: With UNC the B1G would already have the State of North Carolina. Duke? Duke? Duke? At the moment it is a wait & see. ESPN needs money & the ACC 2025 & 2027 secret is out. Some ACC teams are seem destined too become Group-5 teams.
The B1G has an escalation clause built into it's media deal for expansion, but the only school named is Notre Dame. That means any other schools added would need to be paid for by either Fox or a new media partner. Fox just bumped up the current media deal to add Wa/Or, they might not be interested in doing it again. The ceiling for any new team not ND that's added to the B1G before the next media deal is half shares. So yeah, FSU isn't getting some crazy windfall, they would more than Likely be making the same as they are getting in the ACC till the next media deal in 2030.
I could see Syracuse, Duke, and Boston college going to the big east for all sports and independents in football. I think it would make sense wake to the American, everyone else I think has a significantly larger chance than those 4 to find a new home in the B12, B1G, or SEC. Also sleeping on Louisville is a mistake, remember the history of the school and that they are the second largest TV drawing ACC team only behind FSU. The school has serious value and can be competitive in the B1G or SEC. The new teams I have no idea, probably the mountain west honestly.
The only AAU schools in ACC are Pitt, Cal, Stanford, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Miami, GT, and ND. So these schools would on B1G target list FSU and Clemson would head to SEC if they leave.
Only one of those schools is named in the B1G escalation clause, that's Notre Dame. The rest would either need Fox to make a huge investment in the current media deal or find another media partner. Fox just bumped up the media deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or not sure they want to do it again. Another thing is any new teams added not named Notre Dame will have to settle for partial shares till the next media deal with the ceiling being half shares.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the power two conferences are going to balloon up to 50 schools in total so they can Finally make a better playoff where they can grab the top 10 teams from their conference and maybe grab four other schools from the minor conferences to eventually boot them all out to only have the top 14 teams from their conference
When FSU and Clemson are gone, the ACC should go after West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis and UConn
I'm starting to hate college football and how it's ruined the other sports🤷♂️
ND needs to recognize reality and just join the B1G.
ND will NEVER join the Big 10...Use your head.....they gain NOTHING from the Upper Midwest Football Conference.
@@josephcernansky1794 that’s the thing…. BigTen is East and West coast…. Also ND is in INDIANA… they are upper Midwest themselves..
@@josephcernansky1794Someone failed geography 🤦♂️
It makes so much sense. Money, geographically, natural rivalries but ND will hold out as long as they can. They have a contract with NBC till 2030. They're independence means a lot to them and unless not getting a first round bye brothers them (they say that it doesn't) I don't see them joining the BIG. No other conference is a good fit.
If Louisville has a few great seasons in a row they could help keep the acc alive, but they lost their last games so we'll see next season if that's a bad sign
Talk about the Ohtani situation🙏🏾
They just need to do a four conference (North, South, Midwest, West) football-only major re-alignment of geographic conferences (with some respect for historic rivalries)
That's already been tried. Pac10 failed because no one watches football in most of West coast.
Plus all the recruits are in the southeast and TX. conferences outside of these regions couldnt survive that's why big12 and b1g are moving into florida
After the Super League adds the 50 most valuable schools they can break them back down into regional divisions to support rivalries. Then they will cover the most populated regions of the country and have 99.8% of the college football fans.
I've repeatedly heard the B1G was mainly interested in Virginia and UNC.
Miami vs UCF as the next Big 12 rivalry would kinda be interesting idk 😭
Don’t ignore the North Carolina state legislature making UNC and NCSU stay in the same conference. They control the money.
Do a big east expansion
super conferences will make sense at a certain size they will just make east and west divisions again, and cross over play will be limited. will be the end of NCAA and replaced with just the conferences themselves
Yes they signed it but college football has drastically changed since and the ACC didn’t hold up their end of the deal
ND, Duke, UNC, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State leave the ACC.
Stanford, SMU, California, Pittbsurgh, Syracuse, Louisville, Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, and Georgia Tech will form the first FBS football-only conference. Adds Washington State, Oregon State, Memphis, USF, UConn, and Tulane.
Wake Forest?
Exactly 5:00 where does Virginia go? Oh boy.
Why would Big 10 schools want/agree to taking both UNC & Duke & take a pay cut?
They wouldn't. Any teams not named Notre Dame would be at the mercy of Fox and if Fox isn't willing to add money, then they would search for another media partner, like Apple TV or something. Fox bumped up the deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or, would they do it again so soon? Some fans are in for a reality check, cause outside ND, nobody is getting a full share in the middle of a media deal, Best case scenario is half shares till 2030, that's the ceiling, but definitely not the floor.
Everything is based on ESPN and Fox Sports if they are willingly to increase funding to the SEC and BIG10 to add Clemson and FSU. If they are willing to provide the funding those schools are gone. The problem with the ACC in that case is ESPN may not be willing to renew the current deal in 2025 because the conference will be watered down. If ESPN is willing to to renew the contract in 2025 and the remaining universities want to stay together the conference could add OSU and WSU to replace Clemson and FSU.
The B1G just bumped up the media deal less than a year ago and might not have the appetite to do it again. Notre Dame is the only school named in the B1G escalation clause. So If Fox does decide to bump it up again for two ACC then the max is half shares, no ACC team outside ND are getting anymore than that.
Add Pitt and Louisville, poach West Virginia from the Big12 and you have the best of the ACC and the old Big East
For what? A smaller pay check?
Big ten would take Miami, Virginia, and North Carolina, but what they really want is Notre Dame. Notre Dame can't afford to not join either the big ten or sec for very long. If they aren't an AAU university, they probably aren't going to the big ten.
Depends on where the money is coming from and if those schools are willing to accept partial shares till 2030. Notre Dame is already listed in the B1G media deals escalation clause, no other schools are named. The other schools would have to hope Fox or someone else pays enough for those extra games that they could get partial shares, the best case scenario would be half shares till 2030, the same thing they gave Wa/Or last year.
The SEC is the real problem. 5 teams that do not belong in the conference. Missouri, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi and Mississippi State. I will not be wasting my time watching them, period. With those teams gone from the SEC I would bring in Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia. Now up north to the Big Ten I would rid the conference of going nowhere schools like Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana and Northwestern. I would replace them with Notre Dame, Utah, Kansas State, West Virginia and TCU. The rest of the teams would make up 1 new conference, the poop conference. Competition is important.
Ole miss Isn’t leaving the SEC Period. Only way that box comes to the table is if Miss State leaves.
I do see the possibility of Vanderbilt leaving and joining a group of five, or possibly going independent, or even form a southern Ivy League alliance with the other major Private Schools in the South.
Mizzou and Kentucky are both interesting cases: Kentucky is an original member of the SEC, but they’re closer to most of the Big 10 East compared to about half of the SEC West schools, and it’s about equidistant to the Big 10 East schools to some of the SEC East Schools (namely Florida and South Carolina. Georgia is about equidistant to most of the Big 10 East schools, (Indiana the lone exception)
Mizzou moving in 2012 (along with Texas A&M) made them feel alienated since it is a way longer trip to the other SEC East schools compared to some Big 12 Schools. Mizzou is in the west central region of the state, and is about 2 hours east of KC, add an extra hour and you’re in Lawrence KS. At least five Big 12 schools are within 7 Hours of Columbia MO
The closest SEC East City, Nashville, to Columbia MO? 6 and 1/2 hours away. Everyone else (in the SEC East) is at least a 7 Hour Drive away. The closest SEC school period? Arkansas (they’re about 5 hours away, but still that would put them behind Kansas, K-State, and Iowa State, while being almost equidistant to Nebraska.)
This means that Mizzou is closer to 3 big 12 (and 1 Big Ten) schools compared to the SEC.
So strange that the ACC has put themselves in this position, what did they think would happen with this financial disparity? Did they think all the ACC schools would just die a slow football death over the next decade? An impossible situation for any school that cares about it's football program
My prediction of what happens with the ACC:
- FSU & Clemson start the domino effect and go to the SEC.
- B1G responds and adds NC, UVA & Miami (SEC is not gonna want 3 FL schools)
- ND sees the writing on the wall and ultimately decide to join the B1G
- I think SEC will still want to expand in the North Carolina/Virginia market and add NC State & VA Tech to get the conference to 20 total
- Big 12 take advantage of the opportunity and add Pitt & Louisville
- B1G finally adds Stanford & Cal to help with setting up divisions/pods and get the conference to a whopping 24 team total
- Duke refuses to join Big 12 and the remaining ACC (BC, GT, Cuse & WF) add UConn and partner with Big East for Mens & Womens basketball to create an elite Bball conference and fight to get their conference champ a bid for the CFP every year
The B1G has an escalation clause for Notre Dame, but nobody else. The other ACC schools you have going to the B1G paying their own way, like what SMU was doing in the ACC?
Duke and UNC are not tied together. SEC nor Big 10 will want Duke. Carolina and Duke basketball will be playing at least 1 game a year. They are 8 miles apart so conference matters little to this rivalry. Duke will be in Big 12, which is basically a basketball conference. Notre Dame is No 1 prize to both conferences. No.2. is UNC. Then the dominoes will fall.
Umm if the Big 10 expanded, they would take Duke in a heartbeat...
@goldenflasher Ummm, no they wouldn't, and you're delusional if you think that they will.
Why if it’s all about $ and FB, do schools like unc get taunted. Unc is not a fb school, has no fb fan base. Sec and Big10 $ are not about basketball, or Olympic sports. How many time do conversations start this way- yet unc gets tatted as coveted ???
SEC needs both to help with basketball
That's where I stopped watching. Dudes clueless. Duke isn't going to the Big 10
Why wouldnt the 7 remainibg acc teams add 2 aac teams or app state and round out a 9 team western division based around washington state, oregon state, utsa, smu, boise state, san diego st, fresno state.
Because that sounds like a garbage conference, like sub-Conference USA level. In order to survive, conferences have to be chock full of massive, brand name schools or just be the MAC or the Sunbelt
@@larrylarry6362 you obviously aren't a fan of college football. It would be the4th best conference
The 4th best conference in a world that is quickly becoming 2 conferences that matter isn’t really saying anything
@@larrylarry6362 2 conferences hold the money not all the quality
big ten will not be taking in any new teams that aren't AAU members. So Virginia, Miami, UNC and Doke to the big ten. Maybe add Norte dame and Stanford.
FSU has the 55th ranked academics, which is better then half the B1G. They have to join the B1G to get voted into the AAU because the B1G isn't going to go out of their way to use their academic influence to get them voted in if they join the SEC. Plus FSU already meets the qualifications to get in and they are more valuable then Miami. FSU is a large state school with a large alumni and fan base. Miami is a rinky dink private school with a tiny alumni base and a non-existent fan base that hasn't been seen in the last 20+ years.
I hope you're right. Love to have FSU but I know they aren't getting in unless they are an AAU member. Norte Dame and Miami just got voted in in 2023. That is why I think they are both coming in. But I will be happy if FSU does come in for all the reasons you stated over Miami. But I think there is a correlation between them getting into AAU in them soon to join the big ten. Same with Arizona State for Hockey.
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@@roris5882 And quitely in the shadows is USF who is an AAU member with new stadium approved and a larger student base than FSU. I am obviously aware of the name brand'ness of all involved, but something to think about.
@@ArizonaHotSauce It's an option but FSU and Miami are more established brands.
College football isn't really part of the NCAA. The NCAA should dissolve all conferences for non football sports and manage everything themselves. Then let ESPN, Dr. Pepper, Nike, All-State, and Capital One figure out football.
ESPN doesn't even have the rights to one of the biggest conferences
Feel that Stanford,Cal,and smu would land in the big 12 …and the rest would end up either in the SEC and or BIG 10…
Its laughable that the BIG12 believes they have leverage to add VA schools. The travel for one neither would agree to. Especially with WVU only being the closest drive. Both schools are known for staying in conferences that keep them geographically regional. Playing a conference😊
Georgia Tech will not be left out of either the Big 10 or the SEC. The Big 10 offered GT a few years back which GT declined. GT is an AAU school as well which is a requirement for the Big 10. The other factor is I don't see a world where the SEC would let the Big 10 into the heart of SEC country and would most likely offer GT as well.
If I'm the Big 12 I'm throwing money at Pitt to take out the ACC just like their Colorado move imploded the Pac 12
Did you say Louisville doesnt have a stadium? NBA level Basketball stadium, and a 64k seat Football stadium? I mean 64k isnt huge but it aint small either.
U can't go with your gut, all the rumblings with people with knowledge are saying FSU in the BIGTEN
With SEC and BIG 10 obviously expanding, with Texas A&M mabey moving to the big10 we know the SEC will get some top tier teams 2 or more why wouldn't Georgia Tech move to the SEC, they were after all a founding member of the SEC, that would also give Georgia 2 teams in the SEC just like Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi and Florida if Florida St. Joins
What about Georgia Tech to the SEC
I’ve been thinking that if the BigTen wanted a Texas program they should go for aTm as well!
Because the SEC had no interest in dead weight
They will be looking to jettison vandy asap
Our top source here at Texas A&M has said we are not interested in the Big Ten on a Greg Swaim post about the very topic you speak of. We are NOT leaving. Idk how many times I have to say this to people
If those teams pull out, I don’t see why Stanford and Cal would stick with the new “mountain west” ACC. Go back to PAC, take SDSU, SMU, Boise State, etc and call it a day.
Stanford isn't going to a "mountain west" Pac either. They're going hitchhike a ride with Notre Dame and if that fails, they're willing to go Independent or let non Olympic sports die.
ND will be part of the Big 10 soon.
Imagine those Miami players and fans on the sidelines and stands of Manhattan, Ks or even Ames lol South Beach is a world away from those 2 in every aspect
Syracuse and Pittburgh are a world away now...
@@HughJass-id8iq that’s what I sad. did he think Miami only played their games in Florida? 😂
@@Rodkicks88 At least people in Pennsylvania and New York visit Miami, you see any corn fed middle of the country folk walking around south beach? Think deeper guys, it's a culture shock
Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, NCST, Virginia, & VT to SEC
How are these schools getting out of that grant of rights deal? Idc who it is nobody is looking to foot a 300-900 million buy out. I doubt this conference is going anywhere until 2036
FSU already has the money to pay whatever the GOR winds up being just a matter of time
@@AlvinBeard good for them, but i don’t think it’s worth it, but hey it’s not my money and fsu is in a power 4 conference it may be the weakest of the power 4 because i think the big 12 is ahead of them even with Texas and Oklahoma leaving. FSU has a clear path to a top 4 seed in the playoffs and that’s all they want so they can have a bye.
ACC will survive. UConn will join.
The Big 10 needs to stay in northeast!
Wake, The Q, GTech and Boston College would end up in the AAC, UL, Miami, Pitt and NCS to the Big 12, SMU, Stanford and Cal head back west with tails tucked
Too bad the conference can't stay together but if football wants to play elsewhere ok.But doubt that would ever happen and don't see how. Just hate seeing ACC fall