Davis-CO | You Don’t Have All The Answers, Therefore God | Atheist Experience 26.50
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- The Atheist Experience 26.50 for December 11, 2022 with Jmike and Dave Warnock
Davis from CO is calling to ask about what God or what kind of God atheists are rejecting. The caller states that they do not have enough faith to ascribe to “the atheist worldview” whatever that is.
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'You guys said a lot there.' = 'I am going to ignore it and move on to a new point.' We've heard this dodge soooo many times.
The one I hear the most is, "Well, let me ask you this..."
Lord Swaminarayan has beautifuly put when it said
"Whether you believe the god or not, that is not the problem of the god, if you accept it, then your life would go smoothly, or else you have to suffer a lot in your life." ..
Who is dodging the point?
It's a form factor staple that so many Christians adhere to.
@@jayswaminarayan7089 I'm an atheist and my life couldn't possibly be better these days...
So your swami fella is pretty demonstrably wrong already.
Speaking from a western atheist viewpoint I also gotta say that's an utterly pathetic and laughable Barnum statement!
At least have the courage to stand firm for YOUR RELIGION man.
SMH wow that's just sad and pathetic in so many ways.
Saying scientists don’t even have a certain answer but I do and I know that my answer is the real one must be the epitome of arrogance, isn’t it?
Because if science doesn't know everything, that proves Magic Man In The Sky did it.
It's the epitome of ignorance and stupidity
Is that coming up? Oh I'm sure it ain't word for word is it? Bwahaha.
@@uncleanunicorn4571god of the gaps! And the gaps are getting smaller all the time✌️
Which is ironic, cuz according to their own book, arrogance (Pride) is the one unforgivable sin :D
Gotta love it when they explain something to a theist, and the theist doesn't listen to a word that's said and tries to move on with his script.
Always
The word for that is BIGOT! Christians are indoctrinated into their faith at risk of torture. No wonder they are not willing to chance a state of freedom of thought.
Their inability to answer questions is also stunning.
As soon as the reality enlightened by these questions is perceived, one’s position is changed - without choice. The art is to pitch questions that theists can illustrate they do understand, but that just push their comprehension that 2% further.
The difficulty is always pinning them down long enough that you can get a clear picture of how the corkscrew of religious rhetoric has been jammed into them and shorted their logic.
Religion has had millions of people working full time for lifetimes to perfect their weaponry; so closely is it’s mechanism matched to the emotional needs and incongruities of their understanding, that it can infect not only the very simplest, the youngest, the most uneducated and unworldly, but also those with the most intricate and educated intelligences alike.
It is effectively a card trick, wherein it uses sleight of mind to distract and provide answers to questions it has no business asking.
We aren't animals?
Great white shark: allrighty then
“I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist” is like saying “I don’t know enough magic to be a scientist.”
I don’t think they realize how dumb they sound.
They don't. The caller learned nothing, and is regurgitating his idiocy in the comments.
@@TBomb39 Also popular with these southern trash "I dont have enuff money to be poor!"
*The true way to God is through faith
* The greater our faith, the closer we come to the truth of God
*It takes more faith to be an atheist
Therefore, atheism is more true than God.
@@rojh9351 The true way to X is through faith. The greater faith we have in X, the closer we come to the truth in X. Substitute anything you like for X, with faith you can believe in anything. It takes zero faith to be an atheist. By definition. You can assert all you like, that doesn't make it so.
@@TBomb39 Oh, all right, then. (Please read the last line of my previous post again)
when theists say i don't understand how things can happen without my god, i always ask them, "what the hell were u doing during class in school while the teacher was explaining all of this?"
Drawing hearts around a picture of White Jesus
@@whispersmith 😄
"Anything that exists must have a creator. I can't conceive of it being otherwise."
"Of course you can. You already believe that there is a creator being that that was not created. If a 'god' can exist forever, why can't a universe?"
When I was 9 I learned about the number line going infinitely in both directions forever. This started my doubt in god because I realized that for god to exist forever then he has to be traveling into the past forever and into the future forever at the same time.
@@sblsbl7600 Your explanation made my head hurt.
Ah, thats because « god » gets a special pass. Its called « special pleading »
@@kmurphy0620but.. why tho? makes perfect sense to me..
What if God and the universe were one and the same? Would your existence, as a tiny and essential part of the universe, prove the existence of God? WOW!
I will never understand the arrogance of theists holding naturalists/atheists to a standard they themselves never meet..
I agree. Believers are no better than non-believers. Often times, Christians miss the message of Christ entirely. No one can meet the standard of moral perfection, except Christ. Ironically, he was crucified without a crime. That's what happens when sinful men encounter perfection. They hate it, they destroy it. Men love the darkness, and hate the light. John 3:19
@@davis1140 what message of christ? We have no message of christ
@@davis1140
There is no evidence outside the bible Christ ever existed!
Quoting the Bible to me will get you nowhere with me - I’d rather Harry Potter quotes - at least we know JK Rawling wrote Harry Potter and doesn’t pretend to be real.
@studio732jrl2 Hi there, good questions. My reasoning would be that Christ is the only one who claimed to be God in the flesh, and actually lived a perfect life that only God could live, did miracles that only God could do, and then rose from the grave to prove that even death could not hold him down. The evidence for the resurrection is very strong, look up the Case for Christ, Lee Strobel.
Christianity is also the only faith that requires us to admit we need a savior. It's the only one where God took care of our sin problem for us. Every other religion requires people to do enough good stuff to outweigh their bad stuff. Jesus is the only one who lived the perfect life, and then gave himself as a ransom, and a sacrifice, willingly, and again, rose as predicted from the tomb to prove he was telling the truth.
@@davis1140 of course you're right and the other 45,000 denominations of Christianity are wrong.
Once a theist says "that's a good question" you know he's done.
I like when they say something patently contradictory like, "can I be honest with you?" *(SNICKER SNICKER...DOUBTFUL)*
Wow, this guy really brought an original argument that no one has ever even considered, huh?
Hey, to be honest, I haven't heard this argument for 2 hours at least.
🤣🤣🤣
@@krishnav5122
I just woke up, so it's been at least 8 for me!
Yes..purely arguments from incredulity and ignorance.
I'm convinced. Lol
Dave Warnock your an amazing person, I am so sorry you are sick. This world needs more people like you and I wish the very best for you!
Huh??? Sick??? How so? :(
Shit just looked it up...damn
I whole heartedly agree!!!
It’s not a 50/50 proposition. In the face of no evidence NOT believing makes the most sense.
Theists love the old black and white fallacy
Either god did it or it was an accident
"I can't comprehend where the universe came from therefore it was an immaterial, eternal, magical, human-like f'n entity from another dimension, and you can't tell me otherwise". Smh
I love listening to Jmike. So calm, collected, clear, and concise.
I so agree. I literally just calm myself and just chill I wish he would like do a podcast of like sleep stories so I could fall asleep LOL
I don’t mean he’s boring because he isn’t I just mean his voice is relaxing and strong at the same time.
you should hear him lose it on Zach (with kenneth as co-host; I believe it's the third call on the most recent "best calls of the year" compilation)....it caught me off guard (and was well earned)
✌
The next time someone says "I can't imagine that everything was created naturally without a god", please just tell them that I can imagine that.
And yet they can imagine that - for hundreds of other 'god' creation stories. They reject hundreds of other creation myths as improbable, impossible or just silly.
I recently had an argument with someone whose evidence for his God was the Universe. His argument was basically, the Universe exists so had to be created and the creator was obviously his God. He claimed that anything that happened had an intelligence behind it, I asked if that applied to a tsunami, his answer was his God was behind such things.
I did then ask, why did they worship a god who would deliberately cause such a pointless event which killed so many and destroyed so much.
Of course I had no answer.
I'm an atheist because I've never seen any evidence for God's existence or arguments for God's existence which stands up to rational scrutiny.
LOL, it amazes me there are people on this planet, that are in line with me at the bank or, sitting next to be at a restaurant who thinks "Speaking things into existence" is a real concept that happened in our universe's history. LOL, it's madness! It's like:
"The idea of something coming from nothing was so ridiculous to me that I invented a magical sky daddy that speaks things into existence as a way of making sense of my world."
WTF!
Hey.....it's not that far-fetched. I mean, if Schmuck a l'Orange can declassify top secret documents by just thinking about it, why couldn't a god "speak" shit into existence??
@@sophistichistory4645 Or maybe he just sharted things into existence.
@@chadtyrone Wow. That's a bit sad. Lol.
@@chadtyrone Yes, it boggles my mind how some people can think that way, but I guess that's indoctrination for you. Jesus certainly has his priorities straight! Lol.
And even worse, of you put a similar propositon to them about say, a magical unicorn in your cupboard, they would want proof. They dont apply the same standards of evidence to their own belief that they apply to every other claim.
I’m surprised how articulate Rob Zombie was in this call. Keep it up Jmike!
You can say he….Dug through the ditches and burned through the witches.
Theists can't seem to understand that just because they base everything in their life around their religion... doesn't mean that atheists base theirs on their lack of it. We don't.
Best comment!
@@lesbull1882
Theism is a lack of reason. Theism is a disbelief or denial of reality. You spend pretty _much_ all of your time wrapped up in pimping for pedos.
@@lesbull1882 Little Miss 50 Brain Cells can't stop lying....
(sung to the tune of "Can't Stop Lovin' My Baby" by Elmore James)
Fester can't stop lyin', he knows he ain't right
No he can't stop lyin', he knows he ain't right
Don't matter what he says, it's a lie outright!
He's got fifty alts, all over the 'net,
He's got fifty alts, it ain't over yet,
He don't leave his home, he's hiding in his closet!
Ooh Fester, you know you're all alone,
Fifty alt Fester, you're a dog with a bone,
And all that lyin', your street cred's all gone!
Ooh Fester, you got lies reloaded,
No Fester, your thinking's outmoded,
So you got them lies, and your brain's discommoded!
Fester can't stop lyin', he knows he ain't right
No he can't stop lyin', he knows he ain't right
Don't matter what he says, it's a lie outright!
@@lesbull1882 Funnily enough,you'll never find me promoting atheism on theist site, yet you are here. Who's the pimp? Mr pimp
@@lesbull1882
If atheism wasn't a lack of religion, you wouldn't need to lie, deflect, distract and avoid every fact I state. You literally cannot give a single demonstrable example of even one thing I am wrong about. Facts matter.
Morality is a social construct for humans because coexistence is beneficial. A being that does not need to ensure its own survival wouldn't develop morality.
Honestly, does he think we haven't heard Frank Turek's shtick before? Frank is a joke along with pretty much every other apologist out there. Davis is a nice enough guy but his rational faculties leave a lot to be desired. No matter how many times he's corrected, he keeps running home to "how did something come from nothing?" He's not listening because his faith overrides his intellect.
Particularly absurd when it's pointed out to him that God apparently created everything from nothing. Theists also never question where God came from as though it is somehow more likely that this all knowledgeable being has always existed as opposed to the possibility that complexity occurred over billions of years from a very large quantity of Hydrogen forming all of the known elements and then life as we know it. Why would this all powerful God initiate the Big Bang and then make humans wait for 13.8 Billion years to exist, if they were so important ???
@@paulsilsby5355 The religious spend a lot of time projecting because they are convinced that everyone is just like they are. They see themselves in everyone else. Everyone has faith, everyone believes in their imaginary friend, even if we tell them we don't. It makes most theists a complete waste of time to talk to because they aren't intellectually honest.
Anyone's thought of as a joke if they challenge your political and social desires. The only thing you might consider to be logical is a theist that agrees with PC culture.
@@paulsilsby5355 this has always been my quibble about the “something can’t come from nothing” claim. Theists don’t actually consider that they believe god created everything from nothing. Either there was some type of material that god used to create all the stellar bodies or he just said abra cadabra making stars and planets materialize from nothingness.
@@timothybrown5999 That's because, in the 'from nothing to something' is not the absence of starting materials that puzzles them, but the absence of an agent. That's because that hidden agency that makes things happen is how they view the world. It's an animistic worldview where all the spirits are combined into one.
Wait until these people find out I do have all the answers I just act like I don't.
@Liquid Richard Pepsi Samuel McChili
See? I knew you would do that.
"I don't get how you could say you don't believe in bigfoot without knowing all of the physical attributes and powers of that bigfoot."
“Atheists don’t have enough faith to be Theists.”
In my case, any.
That is to your credit.
Much more welly put than that other thingy.
Morality isn't the only universal constant that Christians love to attribute to their God.... Morality is instinctual, without it any society would crumble..
I can't remember any video with Dave in it and I didn't like. He's is just such a kind and open person. I just love him.
I love the cadence he uses
"You can't have something from nothing . . . "
Me: So you're saying a god from nothing, before there was nothing, somehow makes your position more believable?
Also I find it fascinating that every caller tends to talk about a god has if there aren’t hundreds if not thousands of god claims
But they discount all other god claims as far fetched or ridiculous. It never occurs to them to apply the same logic to their own beliefs
It's like, "All gods are completely fake and made up by man... except the god I believe in!"
Yep, and theists fail to understand how one of their favorite plays (shifting the burden of proof) will always backfire, because that tactic puts themselves in the exact same position of having to disprove the existence of thousands (if not millions) of deities for whom THEY are likewise atheists.
I've heard the call a dozen times but this was far more civil than most
Atheists are foreigners of reason.
@@dawkinrich2051 Negatory Darth Wannabe
Yeah. It's really comforting that the subject was discussed without escalating to yelling and extremely hostile accusations. I know some people want to see the blood sports, but that's really just a short term satisfaction we can get from better ways than burning bridges
@@miconis123 Imagine having Darth Dawkins as your idol, what a place to be 🤣
The call screeners should start with : Hello, Atheist Experience, IF you are going to say "something can not come from nothing" please hang the eff up now.
LOL
Both Dave and JMike were brilliant. They both gave very intelligent answers to the questions that would have been difficult to answer to someone who subscribes to a completely different world view. I did like the discussion where the caller was asking "define the God that you are rejecting". It is the job of the theist to first define the God because there are many contrasting definitions. Also, if one was nitpicking the atheist does not reject God but the idea of there being a God. It is the belief system that they reject. It is only ideas after all.
The mental gymnastics at the end made me literally LOL. Too good. What a goof.
I have questions about how the world works. Therefore ancient Mesopotamian tribal god.
Makes perfect sense, Davis.
I totally agree with Dave and Mike about the creation of the universe. We discover new things about the world and universe through science all the time. Just because we don’t know something today, doesn’t mean we will never know. Yet, even if there isn’t an explanation, I don’t need one. My world doesn’t come crashing down just because I don’t know the answer to how we got here.
The invisible dragon in my garage doesn't want to be worshipped and I respect that.
I don't believe you have a garage.
@@oldbatwit5102 I don't believe in your disbelieve, therefore whatever you not believe in doesn't exist unless I believe in your believe to believe.
Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive.
A/theism deals with what we believe.
A/gnosticism deals with what we can know/prove.
I am an agnostic atheist. Due to lack of evidence, I do not believe that gods exist, however, I recognize that there is currently no way to prove or disprove the existence of gods.
"I define god as an immaterial infinite being that [blah blah blah]"
You lose probably most of us at "immaterial being". All beings we're aware of are material, so claiming there's an immaterial one sounds a lot like claiming you've got a triangular circle. Those terms are mutually exclusive. And then to go on and continue to describe it with a number of other attributes that have no observable parallels anywhere in reality... you kind of end up with what sounds like the biggest fish story on the planet.
Invisible Gods, invisible girlfriends, same logic.
@@juanausensi499 Not even close? We have evidence that girlfriends are possible. If "you" and "having a girlfriend" are logically mutually exclusive concepts then that's a whole other problem, buddy.
@@BarrakDraconis I meant they are both defined as 'not here' to avoid being forced to prove their existence.
It's like the theists trolls here who say that since atheists can't give a "step-by-step explanation of all of reality" that atheism is wrong.
Because, you know, theists do have a "step-by-step explanation". Step 1: god dun it. 🙄🤣🤣
Explain why causal principles exist.
@A etc
Why do you think that's an interesting subject for discussion? It seems nonsensical to me.
@@starfishsystems So what matters most, is whether you think a subject is interesting. Okay.
@starfishsystems Yeah, this idiot does this kind of non sequitur all the time just out of the blue asking for explanation of this is or that.
Fancies himself an intellect wanting to talk about "deep" things that he is incapable of understanding. 🙄
@cLied Word Salad as a gotcha is no gotcha.
Something can't come from nothing, apart my one thing that not only came from nothing but also made everything from nothing.
Bullet proof logic.
If you don't accept an argument why would you expect others too?
How is it that so many people know what god thinks.. ?
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
My thoughts exactly always telling you what he don’t like what he won’t do
Something can't come from nothing.
Meanwhile GOD has always existed in nothing.
Then GOD wanted to hide in a book.
God is not “something”
Something…is a term that describes the material existence. Everything inside the universe. God is outside of that.
When asking “who created God?” That’s immediately wrong because you are talking about the verb “creating” which is what you do in order to bring something into physical existence. God is outside of that need. There’s no need to create God.
@@addyzee1335 Gods are special pleaded into existence, ad hoc.
@@addyzee1335 Cool, so there is no need to create the universe, either your god was brought into existence by a creator por being brought into existence doesnt need a creator.
No special plea for your god.
@@addyzee1335 "God is not “something” "
So GOD has no physical body?
The same GOD no one has evidence he even exists.
So we can conclude there is SOMETHING people want to worship but can't prove is really real.
"Everything inside the universe."
Which would include a GOD that has to interact with anything inside the universe.
No evidence of anything OUTSIDE the universe.
"God is outside of that. "
Evidence of a GOD being anywhere inside or outside of the universe?
A GOD that created himself - Always existing - beyond time -
You know that for any action to take place REQUIRES TIME
So a GOD beyond time means he can do no actions within it.
Can anything exist for NO TIME?
When was the last time you SPOKE anything into existence?
a Perfect being has no needs or wants.
Yet people claim GOD existed for an eternity before he decided to CREATE a universe and everything in it - only to focus on EARTH and some humans?
Make it make sense.
a Perfect being that created flawed humans he demands worship from? REALLY?
"When asking “who created God?”"
everything has an origin - that includes GOD and GODS that seem to originate with men.
There is no need for any GOD to hide from mere mortals.
We have people of Faith making excuses for that as well.
"God is outside of that need."
Yeah GOD needs worship - for some odd reason.
" There’s no need to create God."
Yeah when men create their GODS of choice for manipulation of other people and creation of laws that control other people and actions of them.
Remember GOD is everywhere watching horrible deaths and suffering.
While people like you Create excuses for it.
GOD seems to only exist in a book.
When we view reality we see no active GOD in it.
Why are there so many religions and GODS if there is only one true GOD that remains hidden and does nothing for anyone?
So can we agree that a GOD can speak up for himself and doesn't need a book?
OR
He needs people to do that for him because he isn't a GOD of action that exists.
@@addyzee1335 Man created "God" as a get-out for his failings and an explanation for what he didn't understand.
People who were never strong believers often fail to grasp the mindset of those who are strong believers. You are free to think and to examine positions. Imagine feeling a terrible, primal fear at even beginning a thought process that causes you to question the existence of God. I was raised that way. To even question could mean eternal torment in hell.
Someone like me could never be debated or discussed out of my belief. I couldn't honestly analyze anything you said. I would take anything you said that incited any doubt as whispers of Satan speaking through you to lure me away from salvation.
Honestly, it was little bits of comedy, jokes that caused me to unintentionally analyze certain things in the Bible and in my belief systems by accident that allowed me to finally break free of the brainwashing.
It has less to do with "I believe this because I read it in a book" and more to do with "I believe this because someone behind a pulpit said it".
I can't imagine how the world makes sense without this explanation that I just pulled out of my butt.
Checkmate, atheists.
Atheist world view, lol 😂
Tick tick tick on the checklist.
Painfully cliche.
Non-stamp collector worldview. He doesn't have enough faith to not collect. 😂
@@TBomb39 "I don't have enough postage to be a non-stampcollector."
@@brucebaker810 That's good, I like it.
I felt a religious hole in my heart. Then I got degrees in science. I love learning how the world around me exist in minute detail, but I take comfort that everything I learn has factual support. When I tried religions, I could never feel that way. I might like how religion felt, but underneath I have never experienced the supernatural or miracles in any form, so I couldn’t believe. Religion needs faith. I find solace in being encouraged to question everything!
Yes. Well said. Wanting to know and using science over faith is not as quick or easy, but it is correct.
@L. Owens
What scientists say about God, is this: Even if there is a God, that God does not have any observable consequence. But this is definitely not true.
For argument’s sake, let us assume that the universe is infinite. Then the distance from one end of the universe to its other end will be infinite. Now, introduce an omnipresent God here. This God being omnipresent, it will be present at each and every point of the universe at the same time. God being present at both ends of the universe at the same time, the infinite distance will no longer remain infinite; it will become zero for God. So, with the presence of an omnipresent God, we get this: what is an infinite distance for us is zero distance for God. In the same way, it can be shown that what is an eternity for us is no time for God.
So, the existence of an omnipresent God explains why space and time cannot be absolute. Scientists have also observed that space and time are not absolute.
Here, I have not claimed that there is a God. I have only shown that God concept does have observable consequence.
@@himangsusekharpal3484 Unfortunately ... no. What you have done there is make an assumption, you even say it yourself "Now, introduce an omnipresent God here.". Your work is still all ahead of you. I do not accept your assumption.
@@colinellicott9737
Perhaps English is not your first language. Or, it may be that you have a very serious comprehension problem, because you cannot understand plain, simple English.
In the last paragraph of my comment, I have written this: 'Here, I have not claimed that there is a God. I have only shown that God concept does have observable consequence.'
So, here I have very clearly stated that I am not making any claim that there is a God. So, what exactly makes you think that you will have to accept my assumption?
Will you please explain?
@@himangsusekharpal3484
Your cheap insults do you no favors. They merely expose the weakness of your argument and intellect.
Your response is illogical, incoherent, and off topic.
Back to middle school for you.
Caller hit, what? 20 cliches?
When Davis said something about finding out which god made the most sense to him, that right there shows the flaw in his thinking. Something isn't true just because it makes the most sense to you. What if there was a god that existed that made the complete opposite to what Davis thinks makes the most sense? Or no god existing, which obviously doesn't make sense to Davis. What makes sense to someone is completely irrelevant to the state of that thing existing.
My heart just dropped watching Dave having to maneuver his two arms just to scratch his nose
"The figure of Christ" never gave me any comfort, at all. And I had 15 years of Catholic school, the early years of which were spent praying. It never gave me any comfort, hope, anything at all.
Interestingly enough, fictional characters- that were presented as such- have inspired me and given me comfort over the years. I feel a greater debt of gratitude to, say, Tenjou Utena from Revolutionary Girl Utena, for her bravery in the face of absolute horror and her humanity, than I ever did to Jesus.
I don't know why so many think Jesus had anything to say that was new or profound. He said nothing that any intelligent, empathetic person could not have come up with, other than if you didn't believe they were a god they would torture you for all of eternity.
@@grahvis I always thought Jesus was deliberately obtuse. In the gospels people would ask him about this and that, and he was likely to go off on tangents than to actually answer. Other times he seemed angry that people did not know the answer already.
As a kid I never felt he was at all likable. Always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder, scolded people and expected everyone to just believe him.
Praying never brought me any comfort either. Whenever I had a problem- and as a child, my problems were mostly tied to the nuns at Catholic school- praying never, ever, ever solved it or even made me feel better.
@@Nocturnalux He apparently set much store by the Torah, and what he'd read of it. Some of it was familiar stories, some of them the less than pleasant ones (Lot's wife, for one) but others may have shifted somewhat, in telling. He seemed vaguely familiar with the Enoch story, for example.
But definitely considered it all relevant, full of 'deepities' maybe, and that people ought to see 'signs' from, apparently.
The caller could make a great career out of being a tap dancer.
I can't wrap my head around a universe popping into existence without Agency so I'm going to make up a god that popped into existence with no agency.
Keep kicking that can down the road fellas, we are all very amused to see you work so hard at it!
So his point boils down to "I cant imagine how the universe could exist without a cosmic wizard to bring it into existence with a verbal conjuration spell"
I will never understand how they hear themselves say this silly bullcrap and not realize how braindead it sounds.
That's because most theists never listen to themselves as that requires self-awareness, self-reflection and a degree of humility none of which is in the theists playbook.
"...its tricky, because the idea of god itself something I dont think a human can really grasp..."
- same is true for the idea of a nothing
GR8 job guys! 🤟
Everything must come from something. Except god. For some reason.
'I don't know.' and 'Prove it'.... Theist Kryptonite...
This makes me really sad. Davis sounds like a good guy, and he sounds really sincere; the apparent fact that he's so uncomfortable with not having all the answers is understandable but troubling to me. We're answering many questions as time goes on, so why do so many good people need to conclude that, "...ergo, God" is the only possible explanation for what we still don't know?
Well it's been over two thousand years now, and I think this "Jesus" character owes us another "sacrifice" for 3 days. He can't live on his past laurels forever.
I'd be happy enough with a water into wine encore! 🍷 🍷 🍷
@@holgerlubotzki3469 🤣👍
It was less than 2 days, so that makes it more overdue.
" I dont have enoug faith to be an athiest"= "I dont have enough intelligence to make an argument"
How do we get from 'we don't know' to an invisible being??
Just look at the trees man, they were obviously fine designed for dogs to pee on😄
Because he works in mysterious ways q:
02:20 "Nobody can fully prove whether there is or isn't a god".
It's kind of telling isn't it there's as much evidence for a god as there is for no god? You'd think that if there was a god then evidence for a god would outweigh the evidence against it.
In the same way that evidence works for unicorns. "Oh well we can't find evidence for unicorns so they must be real", That just doesn't come up.
what gets me is that if nobody can prove whether there is a god or not (which i agree with), then why should i believe the people who not only claim to know there is one, but also claim to know what It wants, and to speak for It? the logical conclusion of agnosticism is atheism towards any human claims about god.
Q: What exactly are atheists rejecting?
A: Nothing! Literally nothing!
Q. Then what does your atheism represent?
A. Nothing! Literally nothing.
It's Garbage.
@@dawkinrich2051 That's pretty lame, rechard. But then that self descriptor tattoo on your face explains why...
@@dawkinrich2051 It's hilarious how upset you are by other people not believing in the same bronze age mythology that has fooled you.
What are we rejecting?
That death sucks. "...So here's the hack to avoid it."
Belief without evidence.
Presupposing mom and dad are right.
Thing in a book cuz the book sez its the Biggest Bestest Thing.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Bronze, Our theism is like shiny Gold and platinum to your rusty junk metal.
"I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" is like saying "I don't have enough stamps to be a non-stamp-collector". It translates straight to "I don't have enough faith to not have any faith"; it's just self-contradictory nonsense someone unfamiliar or unconcerned with how logic works thought sounded good.
It's interesting though that it amounts to a tacit admission that faith is a bad thing.
Good job Jmike!
This dude keeps bringing up the 'from nothing' argument, it is close to his heart, probably because that's what's in his head.
Let’s not confuse morality. It is based on empathy, simple.
If you only do something because you were told to based on a set of write rules, or you read it in a book, that is not moral, it's judicious.
Humans are pack animals and those 'packs' established rules that they lived by. Later expanding to tribes villages, towns, cities, states etc.. etc..
Im not broken.. please put that on yourself
The burdon of proof is on the Theists , not Atheists!
Asking an atheist to prove that they don’t believe that man’s story of god is true is like Amazon asking you to prove your parcel didn’t arrive.
They have to get over this meme
@@justanotheropinion5832 : err no..atheists don't have to prove anything. They don't even claim to do so! The burdon of proof is on the Theists!
@@lobintool errr… I agreed with you. You just made us both look dumb
@@justanotheropinion5832 : know I'm a bit dumb, could you clarify how dumb I am?
@@justanotheropinion5832 Why?
Callers are so slow to come to terms with the fact that they've first accepted the god claim, then they found reasons to defend it. The caller was extremely intellectually dishonest trying to state his position as many times as possible without giving sincere thought to the opposition to his stance. It felt very much like a politician who only has 1 point to talk about, but really wants to talk for 26 minutes.
Oh boy, superstition was strong with this one "humans are broken, and something is missing. Jesus must be the answer", then just goes on with rationalizations for how things are.
An intellectually dishonest theist? Surely not? 😲
As far as I have been able to find in my (admittedly limited) research, the phrase "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" originated with Christian comedian Mark Lowry. If that is the case, it was originally intended as a joke, not a gotcha argument for theism.
Both Frank Turek and J.Warner Wallace like to claim they came up with it. As if it's some defeater or refutation. It only shows they admit faith is fallacious.
That seems to be common, starting out as a joke or as criticism and then being used seriously and not making any sense
@@_Omega_Weapon Isn't ironic that the worst thing they can imagine to describe atheism is 'religious'?
@@juanausensi499 It only proves how weak their position is. That the attractiveness of the claim and the comfort it provides is more important than coming to find truth with logic and sound epistemology. While it's a complete strawman, or moreover an intentional lie, it inadvertently helps the atheists position.
@@_Omega_Weapon Yeah, that's the complete 'strategy' of that sort of claims: 'You are as irrational as i am but you don't even irrationalize right' mixed with 'my dreams are happier than yours'
"you cant prove or disprove a god", he is a book character, "you cant prove or disprove Gandalf, so Gandalf is real."
i love when Dave gets pissed off.
What confuses me about the:"you believe everything came from nothing" argument is three things. First of all, what is nothing? If we define nothing as the absence of everything, this would include time. So, there can't be a point in time where nothing existed, because there was no time. To say it "came from" also has a temporal component, so it can't exactly come from nothing, if there is no time.
But the most confusing thing is: even if we say time existed during the nothing and there is a god who created our physical world, how did a perfect being, who is capable of creating a universe, who has all these perfect attributes etc, came into existence? Did god come from nothing? Is there a meta god who is even more perfect? Why should I not worship the meta god then, since he created the god who created us? The contradictions are wild.
Jesus is the biggest part of why I'm a christian, but I haven't even said his name yet like 15 minutes into my cookie cutter apologetics.
This triggers me so hard. I’ve heard theists say a million times that God must exist because something can’t come from nothing. But that not what (most) atheists think. It IS however what (most) theists believe. And the thing that upsets me the most is that no one ever pushes back on that hypocrisy
Oh sure, we take big stinky poops like animals, but we're really these magical beings with a magical sky daddy that never reveals itself😂🤣😂
This dude has William Lane Craig's box o' pseudo-intellectual sound bites surgically attached to his head.
Most modern day religious believers are as follows:
-Uses argument that something can't come from nothing; therefore God
-God created the Universe, and gave people morality
-People have free will, and can choose not to believe in God
-Also God has a very specific set of beliefs regarding homosexuality, marriage, and sex
-I know this is true in my heart
It starts with a deistic prime mover argument, and follows-up with the assertion of a very specific God (who just so happens to be the one they learned about their entire life in school/in the community). The belief was likely reinforced in some moment of tragedy (death in the family, close call). No scrutiny or introspection occur. God must exist, my pastor talks about him all the time, he reaches out to those who have faith, I am 100% certain this is true.
Most people never question their religious beliefs. It is unsettling to have to consider it may not be as perfect as the holy book describes.
Atheist: There is no proof that a god exists.
Theist: But I like circles.
This sort of argument is so sad. Davis thinks he's found this cure for this "hole in his heart" but he clearly hasn't. He's clearly still missing something, but has convinced him self he found the cure. So he's stopped looking
Brother, my cup is full. My only motive is to point to the fountain of love, mercy, and grace that I found, even though I don't deserve it. Best wishes to you.
@@davis1140 not a brother and my cup is more full then ever before living the gay life with my wife and not caring about gods no on can discribe or prove
@@Solstng Hey, sorry I called you brother. I just want to say sorry if there have been any christians who have hurt you or judged you in the past. Jesus is real, he loves us all, and he wants us to know his goodness. But we never will if we don't give him that chance.
@@davis1140 what makes you think i didn't? I was raised christian so was my wife. Your god never reveled himself to me no matter how many nights i spent sobbing in prayer. Beging on my knees. You keep acting like you know what's best for me but you don't know the first thing about me. Prove your god is real, prove Jesus is real. I was raised Christian, i went to Christian schools, my community and family didn't misstreat me but you're god sure did by me replying, never showing up, and never doing anything. Since leaving faith behind over been happier, healthier and have found more wonder and satisfaction in life then i ever thought possible. Your god never did a damn thing for me.
@@Solstng I am sorry to hear about your past, I truly am. I can also say, Jesus never promised us an easy life. He promised us trouble and difficulty in this world, because it is a broken place. And sometimes, he doesn't give us what we think we want because he's protecting us. But he said to take heart, for he has overcome the world. He has never shown himself to me either, but I know what he did for me on the cross. And I know that people like James (Jesus' brother) and Peter were so certain that they saw him resurrected, that they were willing to be tortured and killed for that claim. If you're skeptical, maybe check out Frank Turek's video on whether or not the new testament is true. Or look up Lee Strobel's case for Christ. I know Jesus seems quiet, it's because he wants our faith. If he revealed himself to us, we wouldn't need faith anymore. Faith is all we have to give him. He wants us to have faith that he has paid for our sins and freed us from our debt. I also know many people who've received miracles from him. And though I never have, he's just as real to me. I know people who hated God, because they were raped and had horrible childhoods, and now they have come back to him with more wisdom and love than they ever had before. He is with us even in the valleys, and seeing us in pain hurts him more. But there are things we need to learn from it. And he is so good that he will still welcome you home if you trust in his work on the cross, because his love for you is greater than all the stars in the universe.
Boy... this guy hit all of the Ray Comfort buzzwords, didn't he?
Ray comfort makes my flesh crawl. A disgusting mix of deliberate stupidity and disingenuous evil.
i hope for the day people learn and accept that with words that have several equally applicable defenitions, you HAVE to use the one that is most inclusive of ALL defenitions first AND THAN you go from there to look with further adjectives to decifer this specific person opinion.
This guy has called in before with this exact definition. I had to double check the data because I thought I already watched this episode.
I have never asked: " What is God ". I have always asked: " What is a god ". And I have not received an answer.
@God's Servant You are begging the question. Just naming your god " God " is a little sophomoric, don't you think.
My name is Alan, I am a homo sapien not an " Alan ".
@God's Servant Grow up! Take personal responsibility for your crimes and your lies!
@God's Servant Reported for unwanted commercial comment or spam.
@God’s Servant If my name was ‘everything’ then I would be a human being called Everything.
That was easy. Next!
Davis should change his name to Debunked from now on.
The theft of the moral high-ground by theists is 1 of the greatest crimes of humanity. It absolutely boils my piss when a smug, arrogant theist tries to pull this card out on me. I struggle to remain calm. I have endless respect for how the guys at The Atheist Experience can hold their composure when faced with that garbage.
I hear that. They're losing the high-ground inch by inch though.
I’m sick of being told “there’s a Jesus shaped whole in our hearts” yet the people who follow Jesus are no different from the ones that don’t.
As an atheist, the God word to me, means basically any of the silly things that I’ve ever hear it proposed as. (That constitutes all of the things I’ve heard it proposed as)
I don't like callers like this. They ask a bunch of questions they don't want an answer for. It comes of as dishonest and time wasting.
They think every question is rhetorical, to the point where when you ask a question they don't feel the need to answer it. They'll just reply "good point" or "I disagree" and move on.
Humans are indeed animals and even non-human animals have expressed many signs of empathy and altruism.
Being befuddled at how the universe or nature operates does not warrant a belief in a non-answer like a god concept because that has absolutely no explanatory power whatsoever.
Attempting to solve a mystery by appealing to an even bigger mystery is just a copout.
What really amazed me is that each of these believers knows god very well i.e. what he wants? what his divine plans? his way of judgement? how he even created this universe? etc. etc and etc... as if god lives next door with them... when in reality, neither one really heard from god nor seen him...
I've never understood this claim that we're somehow "Not animals" (Obviously absurd claim regardless) because we have level of agency or ability which others do not.... There are huge numbers of creatures which have capabilities or unique characteristics which others do not. That doesn't mean they are an altogether separate type of lifeform. DNA still dictates those traits. We are still made of the same materials as other animals. Our consistency in DNA with other species alone surely makes that claim ridiculous?
« I dont understand the universe, therefore god ». Silly, senseless reasoning.
@God's Servant Your biblical world view is intrinsically immoral. Quite disgusting, actually.
@God's Servant when you find the author of that BS, then tell me what happened to truth.
@God's Servant I did and before you say « god created me » you will need to prove creation as evolution is a proven fact. No gods were needed. Try and prove god is a real thing and do it without quoting the buy-bull.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 very true. The biblical god has comitted genocide, infanticide, condones slavery, incest, murder and torture. Nice « god ».
@godsservant4520 Why can't you just admit you don't really believe in a god?
This caller is cool. Really trying and polite.
Same old arguments we have all heard before.
When someone says something cannot come for nothing, I would like them to show an example of nothing that we can examine to check.
Of course good can exist without evil, we just wouldn't know what good was. We would however know if some things were better than others but that wouldn't make the less good, evil.
It's SO simple.
Faith is silly.
If a god actually wanted me to know it, I would. It should be able to accomplish this.
So, no evidence (I don't even need proof, just anything) no believing.
I've come to the conclusion that theists just don't think things through
My conclusion was they just don't think.
"I don't see how anything could exist without there being a higher power to speak it into existence".
Yeah, good point. So what higher power spoke god onto existence?