Ep 74 | 3 Nephi 20-26, Come Follow Me (Oct 12-18)

[@julievanwauwe]

Thank you so much for your wise words and testimony of the BoM. I love my BoM more than gold. Greetings from Belgium

[@talkingscripture]

You are so welcome! I want to visit that country one day! Thanks to you from across the pond!

[@marilyngray6444]

It is so great and exciting to hear how the prophets of all dispensations were inspired to go on in Christ because they had seen our day. Even though Satan knows who wins in the end, he is still determined to win as many souls as he can to his side and be able to claim his own victory of how many he will have with him in his misery.

[@gladysbone2286]

I loved it so much. It opens my eyes to greater understanding. Thank you. I love the Book of mormon.

[@karinabloom135]

I 💖 listening to you talk for hours on end, Canada thinks American members can teach, with 💓 mind & soul

[@StephanieBunker]

Thank you guys- for bringing The Spirit into my home, each week!

[@talkingscripture]

Our pleasure! Thanks Stephanie!

[@kristinearchibald6264]

Thank you for always bringing the spirit in your podcasts. You guys always reach me, sometimes more than others and this was the ‘more.’

[@shaylabentley6923]

Wow. The first 20 minutes of this podcast brought me to tears multiple times. I NEEDED this message of hope and courage. Thank you so much for your words!

[@katyryser3893]

So powerful - thank you!

[@talkingscripture]

You're so welcome!

[@karindance6372]

So excellent! I love these every week!

[@harmonywoodrome9911]

Thank you!😍👏

[@xvsj-s2x]

Great job 👍 brothers

[@melanieboles3134]

This was fabulous. Thank you for sharing With us.

[@talkingscripture]

You are so welcome!

[@ronaldbrowne1706]

Another great podcast thank you guys

[@varona251]

Pretty good stuff.

[@cherylgraham896]

Your commentary has opened my eyes in a wonderful way even to understanding why read Isaiah.

[@tricey411]

When explaining a way to view 3 N 23:9 at time 43:19, I one hundred percent agree that Jesus will be with us in dark times and when things are at their hardest and that we will be visited and comforted. That being said, though, the saints who were resurrected couldn't have appeared during the three days of darkness because Jesus' resurrection had not happened at that point, right? His body was in the tomb for three days (Matt 12:40), and it was after three days that the darkness left the land (3 N 10:9).

[@jaredvaughan1665]

You are missing episode 75, 2 Nephi 27 in the playlist

[@bethpearce4668]

Where is the quote mentioned (Neil A Maxwell) about the vast mansions that are unexplored found please?

[@talkingscripture]

Sorry, I failed to put this in the show notes. Nice catch. We apologize.
“The Book of Mormon is like a vast mansion, with gardens, towers, courtyards, and wings. My tour of it has never been completed. Some rooms I have yet to enter, and there are more felicitous fireplaces waiting to warm me. Even the rooms I have glimpsed contain further furnishings and rich detail yet to be savored. There are panels inlaid with incredible insights, and design and décor dating from Eden. There are even sumptuous banquet tables painstakingly prepared by predecessors which await all of us. Yet we as church members sometimes behave like hurried tourists scarcely entering beyond the entry hall. May we come to feel, as a whole people, beckoned beyond the entry hall. May we go inside far enough to hear clearly the whispered truths from those who have slumbered - which whisperings will awaken in us individually a life of discipleship as never before.” Neal A. Maxwell, Great Answers to the Great Question, FARMS Symposium Address, 10/86
“There is so much more in the Book of Mormon than we have yet discovered. The book's divine architecture and rich furnishings will increasingly unfold to our view, further qualifying it as "a marvelous work and a wonder" (Isaiah 29:14). As I noted from this pulpit in 1986, "The Book of Mormon is like a vast mansion with gardens, towers, courtyards, and wings (Book of Mormon Symposium, 10 October 1986). All the rooms in this mansion need to be explored, whether by valued traditional scholars or by those at the cutting edge. Each plays a role, and one LDS scholar cannot say to the other, "I have no need of thee" (1 Corinthians 12:21).” Neal A. Maxwell, The Children of Christ, BYU Devotional Address, 12/90.

[@bethpearce4668]

Talking Scripture thank you so much! This was (as all are) a fantastic lesson with great insights. Thank you!!!

[@DialogueWORKS]

I love your stuff. I wish you were up to date. This Sunday is 3 Ne. 27 to 4th Nephi. You are a week behind.

[@talkingscripture]

The Come Follow Me manual shows 3 Nephi 27 - 4 Nephi begins on Monday, October 19. We will release that episode on the 18th, which is technically 1 day early. That being said, we are working toward being more ahead of the manual, but circumstances haven't allowed for it just yet.

[@br5871]

You mention reading a book by the Founding of the US and that the Founding Fathers commented on two pillars that would make our country survive, what is the book you are reading?

[@talkingscripture]

Thanks for listening! Here are some of the thoughts from the book I was referencing:
Virtue lies in our nongovernment social fabric. The founders were deep believers that duty lies in the morality and religion taught by strong social institutions. They recognized that rights are an excellent bulwark against tyranny, but they don’t provide a strong framework for decency. Rights mean that we leave each other the …alone, which means we can live together. But if we hate each other, those rights won’t last for long. That’s why, as the founders understood, our rights were balanced by duties. Americans historically like to cite Moses’s cry to Pharaoh: “Let my people go!” The founders even considered making the national seal of the United States an image of Moses presiding over the splitting of the Red Sea. But Moses followed up that cry to Pharaoh with a rationale: “That they may serve [God].” … With great freedom comes great responsibility, too. Our constitution was truly created for a virtuous people only-a people that felt moral obligation at the root of freedom.
That moral obligation wasn’t to be imposed by government; that would violate our rights. Instead, that moral obligation would suffuse our society, be taught to our children, be inculcated by our institutions. The founding fathers believed that human beings were endowed with inalienable rights-but they were only optimistic about the exercise of those rights so long as people acted like adults. The founders believed that an immoral people with rights would slide into childish libertinism, and then into the comfortable swaddling of tyranny.
To inculcate such social values, the founders relied on robust social institutions, particularly family and church. As President John Adams wrote in a letter to the Massachusetts militia, “We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People.”1 George Washington similarly stated in his first inaugural address, “[T]he foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality . . . there exists in the economy and course of nature an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness.”2 Even James Madison, who opposed the establishment of religion in Virginia by the state, did so in order to strengthen religion; religious discrimination, he felt, would alienate people from religion and lead to conflict that would undermine public comity.3 Thomas Jefferson, the man who coined the phrase “separation of church and state,” recognized that “the moral branch of religion . . . instructs us how to live well and worthily in society.”4 The founding fathers fully recognized that without a culture of duty to support a culture of rights, both rights and duties would collapse, requiring a massive, interventionist government-precisely the kind of government they sought to escape. (Ben Shapiro, How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps, Chapter 3: The American Culture, Under the heading “Rights Require a Robust Social Fabric Promoting Virtue)
1. John Adams, Letter to Massachusetts Militia, October 11, 1798, founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102.
2. George Washington, “First Inaugural Address,” April 30, 1789, www.archives.gov/exhibits/american_originals/inaugtxt.html.
3. James Madison, “Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessment-Full Text” (1785), billofrightsinstitute.org/foundingdocuments/
primary-source-documents/memorial-and-remonstrance/.
4. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Leiper, January 21, 1809, founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/99-01-02-9606.

[@jws4270]

Are you guys the same people who are behind my favorite scripture app with the golden plates?

[@talkingscripture]

No, we do not have any apps that we have produced. You can see our show notes at talkingscripture.org - but no apps!

[@kentsmith2905]

can you please tell me the name of the talk from which you quoted Elder Holland. Thanks

[@talkingscripture]

It is in the show notes. Every episode has show notes covering quotes, books, all kinds of good things. See: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2020/10/10/3-nephi-20-26-quotes-and-notes/

[@hastobebetter4313]

3 nephi 18 what?????you never finished your thoughts

[@jeffreybernson7978]

How do you give this lecture and then do your geography in South America ... makes you guys NOT believable

[@talkingscripture]

Jeffrey,
Thanks for listening to the podcast. While Bryce and I have different leanings as to the location of the events in the Book of Mormon, neither of us are proponents of a South American setting to the text. Bryce is in the space of a North American setting and I lean towards Mesoamerica. That being said, since I wasn't there, I do not know exactly where these things took place. In a statement by the Church we read, "The Church takes no position on the specific geographic location of Book of Mormon events in the ancient Americas." See the Gospel Topics essay here: bit.ly/3lKVZxR
I do give a brief outline of the two main views on geography here: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2020/08/16/two-models-for-book-of-mormon-geography/
Hopefully some of these links, books, and articles will be useful to listeners. In a church setting, it is good to stick to the text and avoid getting into theories about specific locations. In a podcast like this, Bryce and I certainly share our thoughts and opinions, and we may not always agree, and that's okay.
"In essentials let there be unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and in all things, charity” - B.H. Roberts