I think part of why Casper is so good at predictions is because he understands storytelling conventions and tropes in a way that informs his analysis. As he pointed out, Washington is repeating a concept he discussed before. Mortius said in the beginning of this series that things would come back and echo. Casper's taking that and running with it.
Little history fact: When Jefferson says, "When britain taxed our tea we got frisky, imagine what gonna happen when you try to tax our whiskey." This took place in 1789. Two years later the whiskey rebellion went on for about three years due to taxes. Such good writing on Lin's part.
The Whiskey Rebellion was actually going to be addressed in the musical. In an alternate cut of One Last Time, Hamilton and Washington go deal with it. Really sad it got cut, it was really funny. It's called One Last Ride, you can find recordings of it on youtube, and includes Hamilton yelling "PAY YOU'RE F**KING TAXES!!" to the rebels.
Just wanted to correct a point and please add to this if you know more. Jefferson did not marry Sally Hemmings (not Jackson), but he did have children with her. She was his slave and mistress.
If they'd been married, the "legitimate" Jefferson familyline wouldn't've been able to deny their relation to Sally's children and their descendants. Really disliked the tenor of much of the conversation re: the morality of slavery in the US -- whether it was meant to or not, much of it came across as excusing slavery as a "necessary evil" 😒
It didn’t come across that way to me. I heard it as “here’s my best attempt to describe ‘the realities of the time’ off the top of my head.” The reality is that a significant number of the upper class relied on slaves for labor (in home or business) and different owners did treat them more humanely than others. Does that make it all right? Not in the least. But it was part of the culture and economy for the upper class - which all these people are. So it is needed background knowledge to better understand what they are depicting in the show. …doesn’t change that his explanation (and the whole subject) was awkward, but wanted to provide a different reaction/perspective. PS: I admit that slavery/racism is not something I have had to personally experience and it is completely valid that people with that experience will have different reactions to his (and my) comments. Just want to say it’s a difference in degree/nuance, not general opinion/idea.
Mistress is a strong word... she was a 14 year old child when her first child was conceived... a child who was directly within TJ's control... but not the point 😏
More fun facts! Aaron Burr’s line during “Aaron Burr, sir” when he says “fools who run their mouths off wind up dead.” Right after, John Lauren’s comes in and starts his little thing. “What time is it? Showtime!!” Then, burr says “like I said…” And later on, John dies. I won’t mention the other ones, but burr tends to predict deaths throughout this musical Edit: also the slaves thing- an example for the “did it more morally” is George Washington, who owned slaves for the war but granted them freedom afterwards. Also, Lafayette and John Laurens did not own slaves. Alexander did, burr did but he was also very against it, I don’t really remember if mulligan did or not- And, as a correction The slave was Sally Hemings. Thomas Jefferson did not marry her, his wife was Martha Jefferson, but Jefferson DID supposedly have children with Sally. She was 14. I forget Jefferson’s age, but he was at least 30. Edit: Mulligan did own slaves
I'd like to add too, going off of what Mortius said about House slaves versus Plantation slaves, house slaves could be treated just as bad as the slaves in the fields, especially women. Sally is an example listed above and Harriet Jacobs had a biography that she wrote about her time as a girl working in the house of her slaver and the SA as well as abuse from her slaver's wife that she faced because he pursued her for sexual means as well.
While yes George Washington did set a number of his slaves free. He was also still a really shitty person to them. Such as using parts of their teeth in his dentures. Granted that might have been caused by lead poisoning from those same dentures. For anyone who didn’t know, George Washington had a set of dentures made from, deer, squirrel and human teeth, wood, lead and they were wired shut with iron wires. He was also like 6 feet tall and built like a tank. So imagine what the redcoats thought when this fucking behemoth, who was practically popping out of his uniform, shouting orders and making sounds more like a feral badger. All the while his men are practically worshipping him. GW was an absolute fucking nightmare to behold.
17:03. Madison stood 5’4” but only weighed 100 pounds. He also was very soft-spoken, so much so that the recorder of Virginia legislature often complained about not being able to hear him clearly and back-bench listeners straight up could not hear him. This then makes it hilarious that he is played by Okierete Onaodowan, who is a) a Grammy-winning Broadway Actor, and b) one of the largest men in the main cast.
I don’t think enough people talk about how funny it is that at the start of cabinet battle #1 Washington goes “okay folks! We are here to talk about this plan hamiltons got. Speaking first is this guy who has been in France and showed up this morning and probably read a spark notes version of said plan”
Beyond that, it's also a sort of meta joke that the musical style in his first song reflects missing the musical culture shift from Jazz/Blues to Hip-Hop.
My mom got a book about Hamilton that included some behind the scenes things, and if I recall correctly, it mentions that the reason What Did I Miss sounds so different is because it’s trying to invoke an older style of music (maybe jazz?? I don’t remember). It’s meant to represent how Jefferson is out of touch because he was in France for so long.
Hamilton had a very complicated history with slavery. He wrote about abolishing slavery a few times and his own son wrote that he never owned slaves but another relative said that his financial books showed that he did purchase slaves. Ron Chernow’s “Alexander Hamilton” book (which Lin read and based the musical on) talked about him buying house slaves and then paying them a small salary and basically having them act as servants/paid home labor. It’s unknown how much autonomy they actually had (could they leave if they wanted?) Other researchers have pointed out that he married into the Schuyler family which owned many slaves. He also defended slave owners as a lawyer at times, which wouldn’t have happened if he were super well known for being a staunch abolitionist. New York passed a gradual abolition of slavery in 1799 which happened in waves so considering act 2 starts in 1789, it’s only a decade away. So it’s very plausible they were moving in that direction and people had conflicting feelings but didn’t know how to transition away from that financially, etc when the economy had been set up around slave labor (the south was agricultural and that’s why they couldn’t/didn’t want to break from slavery as easily as the more industrial north whose economy wasn’t as reliant on forced unpaid labor). The founding fathers contributed a lot of great things, but they were human and flawed and were unfortunately participating in a horrific status quo.
Sally Hemmings wasn't Jefferson's wife. She was his teenage mistress. his wife, Martha, was Sally's half sister. ( so this whole "mistress" thing went on for more than one generation) his wife Martha died 1781 When Sally was around 16 when she became his mistress. Even though she was technically free when they moved to France, she agreed to go back with him to America, on the condition her children would become free when he eventually passed. (she was already pregnant) so yeah, not the best man. keep in mind he was 40. ew.
Can we PLEASE stop with the “mistress” narrative. That has been a line of bs pushed by slavers descendants for decades. Going so far as to make films about this supposed “love story.” A 14 enslaved girl could not be a mistress because that would required consent. She was literally given as a gift to Jefferson’s wife (even though she was her half sister) and was kept in what amounted to a storage closet for most of her life. She wouldn’t have had much knowledge about her rights when they were jn France. And Jefferson never freed her children (which were his.) The man was a rapist and calling her his mistress implies a level of complicity in her situation that was not there.
Poor Casper having to learn about American politics and history 😂. I've never seen someone be so surprised that the founding fathers owned slaves, but I guess we're just kinda desensitized to most major figures in American history having done some highly immortal things.
My favorite part of "what did i miss" is the detail when Washington and Hamilton greet Jefferson. Washington says "Mr Jefferson welcome home" in tune with the song, but Hamilton buts in with "Alexander Hamilton" sounding a lot more like the opener to the musical. I just think it's interesting
Not sure if spoilers but there is another reason for the actors playing multiple roles. If you pay attention to what they say in the first song “Alexander Hamilton” when they are dressed in white (before character is established). The end of the song where they state who they are to him (the we fought with him, I died for him part) is a reflection of the both characters each play.
Fun fact. "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" is actually a reference to works by John Lock. Jefferson only tweaked the words, originally it was "Life, Liberty, and Property."
Interestingly enough, Jefferson rewrote it because he was worried the mention of "Property" as being an inalienable right would be used by slave owners to say that slavery could never be abolished, which Jefferson repeatedly was against despite, you know, owning more slaves than any other founding father. Jefferson even wrote a version of the Declaration of Independence which condemned slavery but he was told to remove it to not piss off the southern colonies.
5:32 "Cast John Laurens as Phillip, bruh." MORTIUS HOW DID YOU NOT REACT TO THAT?! That's some Teagan Earley hearing Casper say "Wisdom Saga" to her face level composure.
Sally Hemmings was Jefferson’s mistress (sex slave,) not his wife. Slaves were not allowed to legally marry, and Hemmings never had a recorded common law husband. Jefferson, however, was a widower, and I believe his sexual relationship with Hemmings began after his wife’s death. Hemmings was 14 at the time.
He ended up with I think 3-4 kids with Hemmings, there's a statue, I think In Washington ( I'm most likely wrong) who shows Hemmings, Jefferson, and there 3-4 kids
He ended up with I think 3-4 kids with Hemmings, there's a statue, I think In Washington ( I'm most likely wrong) who shows Hemmings, Jefferson, and there 3-4 kids
I think you guys should react to Nerdy prudes must die and The guy who didn't like musicals in the future, they are set in the same town and follow a timeline. They are REALLY good and i think you would enjoy them!
Am I the only one who didn’t like nerdy prudes? Feels like everyone loved it. I love tgwdlm and Black Friday and I’ve been a fan for years but something about nerdy prudes just didn’t hit for me
One analysis of "What Did I Miss" that I really like, which I haven't seen many people talk about, has to do with the fact that while Hamilton is largely based on hip-hop, this song is boogie-woogie, which is a much older style of music--indicating that times in America have moved on while Jefferson was hanging out in France. Jefferson, having "missed the late '80s," swans in bopping around to this outmoded style, still apparently expecting to be treated with nothing but respect. Also, aside from the Nat 20 moments, a small thing I love that Casper caught is that Jefferson was "talking a lot of shit for someone who didn't show his face during the war."
correction, jefferson never married Sally Hemmings, he did however rape her and had multiple children with her starting when she was 14, which is why I find the way lin chose to include her in this to be in poor taste there are still people today who have traced their lineage to Sally and get harrassed when they try to speak out about how she's erased or diminished when talking about this era of american history
I've been scanning the comments to see if someone mentioned that, the moment Mortius said he married her. I'd like to point out the historical lense though. Because to this day historians debate if it was consentual or rape. Yes, it's true she was enslaved. So she didn't have automaty or any power over her body. But we should not dismis that their "relationship" started in France (where she was freed, cause slavery was prohibited in France), and she only agreed to come back to America (and therefore back into slavery) if the children she had with Jefferson would be freed on their 18th birthday. Which he did! Now this shows several problems to our modern eyes (rightfully so). She was so indoctrined that she agreed to go back to slavery and thought it was okay for her children to be enslaved until they were 18. And so did Jefferson! And she was a child and he grown ass man, which (rightfully) makes is automatically rape in our mordern minds. Also it should not be forgotten, that Sallys father AND her mothers father were slave owners that raped their slaves (she was actually the halfsister of Jeffersons late wife), which genetically made her more european than african - which makes the whole affair even more complicated and showcases the indoctrination and mindset of that era. Again, I don't mean to say that any of that slavery (and grooming) BS is exceptable, but as Mortius rightfully pointed out we should not forget the historical lense and the mindset of these people. And that's also why I think it was the right decision to mention Sally. It prompts fans of the show to ask "wait, who's Sally?" and discover this historical figure, who truly should not be forgotten! Edited for spelling errors and to apolagize for the lengthy comment...
@@PumpkinSparks if lin cared about people educating themselves on Sally he wouldn't have made her out to be jefferson's secretary, nothing about her inclusion prompted curiosity, it's incredibly disrespectful
@@morrowzoranov I'm sorry, but where did you get that she's made out to be his secretary? He asked her to open a letter. That could be an employee (like a secretary, sure), or a house slave (which she was), or a daughter, or a wife, or a dear friend, or many more possibilities.
@@morrowzoranovI didn't think it was his secretary, I imagined it was his slave because the characters of the chorus of "What did I miss?" are essentially all slaves, and I think (so for example when he says "That we're free" he is literally being carried by slaves, and at one point he cleans his hand agaisnt his clothes after one of the chorus touches his hand).
I will never get over the little details of Jefferson wiping his hand off on his clothes after touching one of the black extras like he just touched something filthy. Right... Here(7:56). You actually paused right as he was doing the wiping. It's, to my memory, the only physical indication of his racism given by the acting itself, and to this day I've never seen anyone notice or mention it. It's SO subtle.
Something I will mention from the cabinet battle: the line “imagine what gon happen when you try to tax our whiskey” from Jefferson is based on the real Whiskey Rebellion, when Hamilton did in fact place a tax on whiskey. Farmers in Western Pennsylvania protested on what they saw as unfair taxation, and the tax was eventually repealed (removed). It was such a thing because a major reason why the colonies fought the war against Britain was because Parliament was taxing the colonies to get out of debt from the French and Indian War years earlier. The whiskey tax must have brought back those memories of British taxes and wanted to remove that tax immediately, leading to the rebellion of the whiskey farmers. Hope this adds a bit of interesting historical context of act 1 and the one line of the cabinet battle 😉😆
Have to say that as a black fan I was enjoying that you guys weren't getting deep into the slavery discussion of Hamilton, because there are very few ways to handle it sensitively. I appreciate that you made an effort to interject nuance and discuss it in a historical context, but the positions were still a misfire on this one. The age old house slaves didn't have it good but had it better discussion is not fruitful, particularly coming from non-black non-experts.
The "have it better" conversation is not fruitful, you're right. But something should be said about the complexities of the time Washington legally COULD NOT emancipate half the slaves at Mt. Vernon bc they legally "belonged" to Martha's 1st husband and his family. He also inherited slaves at 11 yrs old, which he also had no control over. He did purchase his own, and I'm not saying he is a saint, but he was born into a system that set him up to be exploitative.
I do hope that Casper and Mortius use this as a learning experience and take the time to do better about this kind of stuff in the future. I understand where they were coming from in this, trying to somewhat defend respected historical figures but they definitely missed the mark on this.
@@Adronitis He was born into an exploitative situation and could have chosen to be better in his life instead of in his death. The people who were *actually* born into exploitative conditions were his slaves. There's no need to defend Washington for his actions as a slave-owner, he's long dead, and the legacy of his hypocrisy lives on in the vile compromises he helped write into American law.
Fun fact about LMM and Chris Jackson: they first met when Chris played Benny in In the Heights. Benny Was supposed to have fewer Songs. But once LMM heard hím he wrote more for him. And apparently LMM said to Chris "as long as I am working you'll have a job".
It's also in their presentation of posture, costume, voice, and tone. If they were indistinguishable changes between acts, the change of character would be even harder to follow.
Casper swearing, Mason's ten dollars, the immediate swearing following: That's me every single day. I also swear too much, and I, sadly, don't have an IRL editor to censor me lmao
I'm watching this video after the Kamala Vs Trump Debate happened and OMG what Mortius says is FACTS!!!! It's why even Republicans don't fuck with him now. He's spewing garbage and Kamala is wanting to help and talk to THE PEOPLE. Can't wait til she's the new President!!
So Lafayette actually had a few fights with Washington about him not willing to let his slaves free, and he literally saw him as his mentor, it's said that Washington loved him like his own son( the man had a room in Mount Vernon reserved only for Lafayette). Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette, Marquis de Lafayette actually named his oldest son after the amarican general, as Georges Washington Louis Gilbert de La Fayette
Jefferson wasn’t married to Sally Hemmings. When she was a young teen Jefferson decided to begin having relations with her & they had children. Monticello used to refer to her as Jefferson’s mistress, but now make it known that Sally never really had a choice in the matter. She made the most of her life with Jefferson, but make no mistake. She was still enslaved.
When it comes to the Cabinet meeting and Hamilton talks bad to Maddison. I always make the joke that not even the music is supporting the stuff that Hamilton is saying.😅❤
Oh hell yes Jefferson... there are SO MANY living descendants of his out there that were born of (presumably? My understanding is old and possibly misinformed or just debunked in the interim) MULTIPLE slaves. He was a nasty man in that particular regard. However he also wanted to include an end to slavery In the declaration/constitution (🎶I suck at history🎶) but cut it due to tensions at the time I think.
Sally wasn’t his “wife” per se. It’s more appropriate that she was his concubine and stayed as his slave for their whole lives. The children they had together were born as slaves, but Jefferson freed them when they turned eighteen. This was really common practice for slave owners.
Glad to see the love for Chris Jackson. Chris was nominated for a Tony that year. He lost to Daveed Diggs! It's unusual for two actors in the same show to get nominated opposite each other. But sometimes in a monster hit show with a lot of talented people, it does happen.
Fun fact. Sort of. The Sally that Jefferson mentioned when he first got into the country in that scene. Was actually the slave that he slept with. And she had many children by him.
Jefferson and Hamilton were political opponents with diametrically opposed visions for the new country. In Hamilton, you get a sense of how Hamilton perceived his political rival. Jefferson thought the newly created country should be an agricultural country with mostly small farms and believed most power should reside in the states and localities. Hamilton's vision was of a powerful industrial nation with a strong centralized government. They clashed about these visions when the country was brand new and those different visions continue to pop up in U.S. political arguments now. I don't think you can take the portrayal of Jefferson in Hamilton's story to be entirely accurate.
Other people have already corrected the thing about Jefferson and Sally. I thought it was important to mention that even if he had wanted to marry her he couldn't have. Interracial marriages were illegal until civil rights reforms in the 1900s. I'm guessing thats something y'all didnt know about otherwise you would have known she couldn't have been his wife. That but of awful hsitory that some people would love to bring back aside, its great watching you two go through this. This is my first experience with Hamilton and it's making the show a lot more approachable for me. The things Casper picks up on in this show are crazy, and I love watching where the prediction dice fall. Being able to get the extra lore and musical context thanks to Mortius is also a great way to experience this for the first time. Thank y'all as always. As far as the video length goes i dont mind a long video. At the same time if ends up causing your engagement to go down because its too long for the channel, you could always break it into two videos that you release maybe s couple days apart. We'd still be getting it at about the same oace that way. If the longer videos don't drop engagement though I'd be absolutely fine with you doing them this way from here on. Thanks again for all your hard work and for letting us come along for the ride with y'all.
Fun fact the Whiskey line from Jefferson is actually based on a historical event known as the Whiskey rebellion about taxes on whiskey that happened in Pennsylvania in 1791
"How are you a youtuber" is in a very familiar font. Does that mean we didn't recast Mason? Hooray for Mason! About propaganda, Ron Chernow's biography of Hamilton that the musical is based upon is a bit contentious. Someone even wrote a whole theatrical play about the ghosts of the past appearing to Lin-Manuel Miranda and telling him how misguided he was by Chernow. And I know lots of people that are very angry about rewriting history and the glorification of the Founding Fathers and black actors playing slavers and how slavery is portrayed in this musical. I'll make full use of the fact that Casper is avoiding comments to point out something that Mortius might want to mention if Casper doesn't notice it by Cabinet Battle #2. Cabinet battles are just duels. Microphones and guns come from the same wooden case. The music behind cabinet battles is just a remix of the duel theme.
Fun fact about what did I miss: the style is meant to mimic songs of the 70’s, showing that Jefferson missed like a decade in France and is still behind
*Cannot* believe I missed the premiere of this, The Purple Guy Himself, the Marquis du JefferZeus, back from Aragon, France, and of course Casper's iconic Nat 20! In any case, can't wait for what comes next!
For the epic cast discussion, I’ve always thought it would be like you’re part of the ensemble until it’s your solo and then you go back to the ensemble
I love how much Casper picks up on themes and motifs, not just in the music, but in the plot; The characters, the story. It's so fun. And the predictions are so funny - also props to the editor! Absolutely stellar job each video, such fun cuts and things and so well edited! :D
Yeah, pretty much all of the founding fathers had slaves. Even Hamilton did as he was given some by his father-in-law as part of the wedding presents. I think Hamilton might have freed his during his lifetime. Most of the founding fathers were against slavery in a vague sense, but kept kicking the can down the road figuring the practice would eventually end or die out. Washington at least tried to free his slaves in his will, but nothing in his will was carried out and his slaves were sold off to pay his estate’s debts. Jefferson was just a total hypocrite, actively obtaining more and only freeing a handful of his direct offspring with his slaves. Even Burr had slaves while also belonging to an anti-slavery organization.
@@ammaleslie509 his were freed. See Martha Washington actually was richer than he was, out of the slaves at mount Vernon less than 1/2 belong to him. The issue with Martha freeing her slaves (we don’t know her opinions on slavery just his) was that they were entailed (think pride and prejudice) via her first husbands family. She legally couldn’t free her slaves. He wanted to free his slaves earlier than his death but both moral (the two slave estates had intermarried, and current laws meant freed slaves had to leave the state once freed) and financial (freed slaves had to have skilled job training as well as a set amount paid by the previous owner in cash) limited freeing of slaves. Since his estate died with him, or rather it would with his wife’s death, they were able to end the practice for his estate.
I like Casper's older theory that rapping and singing distinguishes characters by their backgrounds. Like yeah, Hamilton and his buddies are underdogs getting into the scene where top dogs have been running the show.
The funniest thing to me about TJeff being this big bombastic character is that irl he was pretty quiet and reserved, it's just that he WROTE very big and passionately. But it was such a genius move imo to essentially say "whatever these people were like in-person is not as important as expressing who they were in their writing" because of how important writing IS to the story. It's just so good.
Fun fact about Washington to help you analyze everything, Washington practiced Stoicism. I'm uncertain precisely which philosophers he followed, but it's a random fact I learned, and I think you can hear it in some of his songs
"Looking at the rolling fields, I can't believe that we are free." I just realized the ironic nature of that line. He had slaves working the fields of Monticello. That might not be intended, but that's what I just interpreted.
Mortius, you missed one of the Act 1 actors who return in Act 2 as different characters. please let Casper know about that person in red, so he is not completely disgusted with Hamilton for...stuff :D
The line about getting frisky if you try to tax our whisky references the Whisky Rebellion, when SW PA (basically Pittsburgh’s suburbs) rebelled against Hamilton’s tax on Whisky and the federal government had to send in the military to put it down.
I think The Bullet is being both Sally Hemmings and the Bullet in this scene. She also seems to represent fate. One of the events that led to Hamilton’s eventual death was Jefferson becoming Secretary of State and the two of them fighting enough to form the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans. Later on, a decision Hamilton will make in the show regarding Jefferson and Burr played a pivotal role in Hamilton’s death.
I'm from Czechia and for the english part of my highschool graduation exam (different system then in the USA), I drew a question about America and when we got to the revolution... let's just say that claiming that this musical saved my ass is an understatement.
Since this is being vetted so Kaspar doesn't see: note the play on words. "Commander". That would be Commander in the military as well as Commander in Chief (President). And "Daddy's calling" (later on), Daddy as in Father figure (calling Hamilton Son), versus Father of Our Country (Literally George Washington in US history is known as this). I mentioned his because NO other reactor has mentioned this play on words.
1. I think the term you were looking for with the difference between people like Jefferson and Washington is "less bad", very far from good but not the worst, the lesser of two evils. 2. At the time that was how the game was played(the art of the trade, how the sausage got made)there were people who were against it or sympathetic but still couldn't give up that advantage because it'd be shooting themselves in the foot. And yes it's a horrific thing and a blight on our history and we should make sure it never ever happens again
Alrighty here I go. I've never tried this hard to get people to watch something about my 4th time but please please watch the guy who didn't like musicals it would make my life and I could rest in peace lol but actually and when you finish this if your still waiting for the wisdom saga to come put this would be perfect to react to plus a few other stuff if you see this and read it please let me know do I can give a little more details on it 😅 (not spoilers)
I think Longform for this is exactly how it should be, I find myself wanting to listen to more of the songs after you guy's reactions so getting more just helps sate that, its like getting a full meal as opposed to an appetizer
I wonder if the purple vs. green are to represent the nascent political parties. Jefferson founds the Democratic-Republicans and purple is a mix of red and blue, the colors used for the Democrats and the Republicans today although his party is more directly linked to the modern Democrats than the Republicans. Hamilton is one of the founders of the Federalist Party, a group that no longer exists but did through a chain of other parties also help spawn the modern Republican Party. It makes sense to make Hamilton green as that is the color of American money and there is no convenient color to represent the Federalists. While the U.S. has a two-party system, the exact two parties have changed over time as different political movements were born and died.
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“Cast John Laurens as Philip, bro.”
I love Casper.
and whaddayaknow they did
SPOILERS DO NOT READ IF U DONT KNOW ACT 2
Guess you could say....
"We both know what we know"
@@NightShadow-em7gw I was gonna say that too. Mortius missed one
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
Bro’s third eye is WIDE FUCKING OPEN and he’s like “I pretend I do not see”
Casper: I am the profit, with half the answers you seek. Theme I've unlocked it, but only like for a couple peeks-
Haha. So funny. Also so true!
I now need them to do a parody song of that
I'm waiting to them doing "No Longer You" cover with Casper as Prophet
Profit?
"The profit" instead of "the prophet" is hilarious 😂
I think part of why Casper is so good at predictions is because he understands storytelling conventions and tropes in a way that informs his analysis. As he pointed out, Washington is repeating a concept he discussed before. Mortius said in the beginning of this series that things would come back and echo. Casper's taking that and running with it.
Little history fact: When Jefferson says, "When britain taxed our tea we got frisky, imagine what gonna happen when you try to tax our whiskey." This took place in 1789. Two years later the whiskey rebellion went on for about three years due to taxes. Such good writing on Lin's part.
i was scrolling through the comments trying to see if anyone else was dropping this so i wasn’t being redundant lol
The Whiskey Rebellion was actually going to be addressed in the musical. In an alternate cut of One Last Time, Hamilton and Washington go deal with it. Really sad it got cut, it was really funny. It's called One Last Ride, you can find recordings of it on youtube, and includes Hamilton yelling "PAY YOU'RE F**KING TAXES!!" to the rebels.
@@confoundedcoconut7500 I didn't know of that song, thank you!
@@confoundedcoconut7500 thats one of my favorite cut lines LMAO
Just wanted to correct a point and please add to this if you know more.
Jefferson did not marry Sally Hemmings (not Jackson), but he did have children with her. She was his slave and mistress.
If they'd been married, the "legitimate" Jefferson familyline wouldn't've been able to deny their relation to Sally's children and their descendants.
Really disliked the tenor of much of the conversation re: the morality of slavery in the US -- whether it was meant to or not, much of it came across as excusing slavery as a "necessary evil" 😒
@@MM-jf1me yeah that was a deeply unimpressive portion of the discussion. I hope they don't return to that subject in future recordings.
It didn’t come across that way to me. I heard it as “here’s my best attempt to describe ‘the realities of the time’ off the top of my head.”
The reality is that a significant number of the upper class relied on slaves for labor (in home or business) and different owners did treat them more humanely than others.
Does that make it all right? Not in the least. But it was part of the culture and economy for the upper class - which all these people are. So it is needed background knowledge to better understand what they are depicting in the show.
…doesn’t change that his explanation (and the whole subject) was awkward, but wanted to provide a different reaction/perspective.
PS: I admit that slavery/racism is not something I have had to personally experience and it is completely valid that people with that experience will have different reactions to his (and my) comments. Just want to say it’s a difference in degree/nuance, not general opinion/idea.
Mistress is a strong word... she was a 14 year old child when her first child was conceived... a child who was directly within TJ's control... but not the point 😏
Well, less of a mistress, and more of a r*pe victim, but yes, not his wife.
More fun facts!
Aaron Burr’s line during “Aaron Burr, sir” when he says “fools who run their mouths off wind up dead.”
Right after, John Lauren’s comes in and starts his little thing.
“What time is it? Showtime!!”
Then, burr says “like I said…”
And later on, John dies.
I won’t mention the other ones, but burr tends to predict deaths throughout this musical
Edit: also the slaves thing- an example for the “did it more morally” is George Washington, who owned slaves for the war but granted them freedom afterwards.
Also, Lafayette and John Laurens did not own slaves. Alexander did, burr did but he was also very against it, I don’t really remember if mulligan did or not-
And, as a correction
The slave was Sally Hemings.
Thomas Jefferson did not marry her, his wife was Martha Jefferson, but Jefferson DID supposedly have children with Sally.
She was 14. I forget Jefferson’s age, but he was at least 30.
Edit: Mulligan did own slaves
I'd like to add too, going off of what Mortius said about House slaves versus Plantation slaves, house slaves could be treated just as bad as the slaves in the fields, especially women. Sally is an example listed above and Harriet Jacobs had a biography that she wrote about her time as a girl working in the house of her slaver and the SA as well as abuse from her slaver's wife that she faced because he pursued her for sexual means as well.
@@redscorner4324 exactly! Thank you
Mulligan owned slaves and made them do most of his spy work sadly :(
@@Elvihe ah, that's right. Thank you!
While yes George Washington did set a number of his slaves free. He was also still a really shitty person to them. Such as using parts of their teeth in his dentures. Granted that might have been caused by lead poisoning from those same dentures.
For anyone who didn’t know, George Washington had a set of dentures made from, deer, squirrel and human teeth, wood, lead and they were wired shut with iron wires. He was also like 6 feet tall and built like a tank. So imagine what the redcoats thought when this fucking behemoth, who was practically popping out of his uniform, shouting orders and making sounds more like a feral badger. All the while his men are practically worshipping him. GW was an absolute fucking nightmare to behold.
17:03. Madison stood 5’4” but only weighed 100 pounds. He also was very soft-spoken, so much so that the recorder of Virginia legislature often complained about not being able to hear him clearly and back-bench listeners straight up could not hear him.
This then makes it hilarious that he is played by Okierete Onaodowan, who is a) a Grammy-winning Broadway Actor, and b) one of the largest men in the main cast.
That's fking funny lol
I don’t think enough people talk about how funny it is that at the start of cabinet battle #1 Washington goes “okay folks! We are here to talk about this plan hamiltons got. Speaking first is this guy who has been in France and showed up this morning and probably read a spark notes version of said plan”
😂😂😂 well said!
he was really rigging it lmao
"what did I miss?" Is actually a meta song about an audience member who missed act 1 😂
And anyone late from intermission 😂
Beyond that, it's also a sort of meta joke that the musical style in his first song reflects missing the musical culture shift from Jazz/Blues to Hip-Hop.
My mom got a book about Hamilton that included some behind the scenes things, and if I recall correctly, it mentions that the reason What Did I Miss sounds so different is because it’s trying to invoke an older style of music (maybe jazz?? I don’t remember). It’s meant to represent how Jefferson is out of touch because he was in France for so long.
“I basically missed the late 80s”
The era of Jazz came before Rap which was/became popular in the late 80s. (I’m not 100% on the timeline ether)
I think it's more blues/early rock & roll rather than jazz but the point still stands!
From the dancing it was jazz
@@belian5928 Also, jazz is the usual go-to for show-tunes. So, Jefferson is still doing pre-Hamilton (well, pre-in-the-heights) musicals.
Hamilton had a very complicated history with slavery. He wrote about abolishing slavery a few times and his own son wrote that he never owned slaves but another relative said that his financial books showed that he did purchase slaves. Ron Chernow’s “Alexander Hamilton” book (which Lin read and based the musical on) talked about him buying house slaves and then paying them a small salary and basically having them act as servants/paid home labor. It’s unknown how much autonomy they actually had (could they leave if they wanted?)
Other researchers have pointed out that he married into the Schuyler family which owned many slaves.
He also defended slave owners as a lawyer at times, which wouldn’t have happened if he were super well known for being a staunch abolitionist.
New York passed a gradual abolition of slavery in 1799 which happened in waves so considering act 2 starts in 1789, it’s only a decade away. So it’s very plausible they were moving in that direction and people had conflicting feelings but didn’t know how to transition away from that financially, etc when the economy had been set up around slave labor (the south was agricultural and that’s why they couldn’t/didn’t want to break from slavery as easily as the more industrial north whose economy wasn’t as reliant on forced unpaid labor).
The founding fathers contributed a lot of great things, but they were human and flawed and were unfortunately participating in a horrific status quo.
Sally Hemmings wasn't Jefferson's wife. She was his teenage mistress.
his wife, Martha, was Sally's half sister. ( so this whole "mistress" thing went on for more than one generation)
his wife Martha died 1781
When Sally was around 16 when she became his mistress.
Even though she was technically free when they moved to France, she agreed to go back with him to America, on the condition her children would become free when he eventually passed. (she was already pregnant)
so yeah, not the best man. keep in mind he was 40. ew.
Can we PLEASE stop with the “mistress” narrative. That has been a line of bs pushed by slavers descendants for decades. Going so far as to make films about this supposed “love story.” A 14 enslaved girl could not be a mistress because that would required consent. She was literally given as a gift to Jefferson’s wife (even though she was her half sister) and was kept in what amounted to a storage closet for most of her life. She wouldn’t have had much knowledge about her rights when they were jn France. And Jefferson never freed her children (which were his.) The man was a rapist and calling her his mistress implies a level of complicity in her situation that was not there.
Why is it, when casper TRIES to predict, it doesn't work, but when he doesn't HE PREDICTS THE ENTIRE PLOT💀
I should start betting on how many things Casper predicts, that way I won’t have any student debt
"they didn't mention that in fairly odd parents" Casper is going to kill me lol
Poor Casper having to learn about American politics and history 😂. I've never seen someone be so surprised that the founding fathers owned slaves, but I guess we're just kinda desensitized to most major figures in American history having done some highly immortal things.
My favorite part of "what did i miss" is the detail when Washington and Hamilton greet Jefferson. Washington says "Mr Jefferson welcome home" in tune with the song, but Hamilton buts in with "Alexander Hamilton" sounding a lot more like the opener to the musical. I just think it's interesting
I need a compilation of everytime Casper is a prophet
How can one mortal have this much power
Definitely compile this at the end... 😊
Bold of you to assume he is mortal
Not sure if spoilers but there is another reason for the actors playing multiple roles. If you pay attention to what they say in the first song “Alexander Hamilton” when they are dressed in white (before character is established). The end of the song where they state who they are to him (the we fought with him, I died for him part) is a reflection of the both characters each play.
Caspers mannerisms make him look like he has a higher frame rate than most people
What does this mean?
Fun fact. "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" is actually a reference to works by John Lock. Jefferson only tweaked the words, originally it was "Life, Liberty, and Property."
A crucial tweek because the "property" of Locke was used to justify slavery
Interestingly enough, Jefferson rewrote it because he was worried the mention of "Property" as being an inalienable right would be used by slave owners to say that slavery could never be abolished, which Jefferson repeatedly was against despite, you know, owning more slaves than any other founding father. Jefferson even wrote a version of the Declaration of Independence which condemned slavery but he was told to remove it to not piss off the southern colonies.
5:32 "Cast John Laurens as Phillip, bruh." MORTIUS HOW DID YOU NOT REACT TO THAT?! That's some Teagan Earley hearing Casper say "Wisdom Saga" to her face level composure.
LMAO
Sally Hemmings was Jefferson’s mistress (sex slave,) not his wife. Slaves were not allowed to legally marry, and Hemmings never had a recorded common law husband. Jefferson, however, was a widower, and I believe his sexual relationship with Hemmings began after his wife’s death. Hemmings was 14 at the time.
He ended up with I think 3-4 kids with Hemmings, there's a statue, I think In Washington ( I'm most likely wrong) who shows Hemmings, Jefferson, and there 3-4 kids
He ended up with I think 3-4 kids with Hemmings, there's a statue, I think In Washington ( I'm most likely wrong) who shows Hemmings, Jefferson, and there 3-4 kids
I think you guys should react to Nerdy prudes must die and The guy who didn't like musicals in the future, they are set in the same town and follow a timeline. They are REALLY good and i think you would enjoy them!
Seconded
Considering Casper is listening to Heathers on his own channel right now, I agree. They both have some parallel themes.
To be honest not sure if Mortius would be comfortable with that as he's trying to be really family friendly but i will still pray for it
Am I the only one who didn’t like nerdy prudes? Feels like everyone loved it. I love tgwdlm and Black Friday and I’ve been a fan for years but something about nerdy prudes just didn’t hit for me
@@jydakota95 idk everyone is different it's a favourite from the trilogy for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This whole channel is just here to prove that Casper is an irl psychic haha 😂
You're probably already far enough ahead in the musical to have realized this, but there's actually four actors that switch!
Yup!
And Peggy
Yeah, poor Peggy. Certainly her role is small in Act 1 but her character is integral to Act 2.
And the sister’s dad becomes James Reynolds
One analysis of "What Did I Miss" that I really like, which I haven't seen many people talk about, has to do with the fact that while Hamilton is largely based on hip-hop, this song is boogie-woogie, which is a much older style of music--indicating that times in America have moved on while Jefferson was hanging out in France. Jefferson, having "missed the late '80s," swans in bopping around to this outmoded style, still apparently expecting to be treated with nothing but respect. Also, aside from the Nat 20 moments, a small thing I love that Casper caught is that Jefferson was "talking a lot of shit for someone who didn't show his face during the war."
correction, jefferson never married Sally Hemmings, he did however rape her and had multiple children with her starting when she was 14, which is why I find the way lin chose to include her in this to be in poor taste
there are still people today who have traced their lineage to Sally and get harrassed when they try to speak out about how she's erased or diminished when talking about this era of american history
I've been scanning the comments to see if someone mentioned that, the moment Mortius said he married her.
I'd like to point out the historical lense though. Because to this day historians debate if it was consentual or rape.
Yes, it's true she was enslaved. So she didn't have automaty or any power over her body. But we should not dismis that their "relationship" started in France (where she was freed, cause slavery was prohibited in France), and she only agreed to come back to America (and therefore back into slavery) if the children she had with Jefferson would be freed on their 18th birthday. Which he did!
Now this shows several problems to our modern eyes (rightfully so). She was so indoctrined that she agreed to go back to slavery and thought it was okay for her children to be enslaved until they were 18. And so did Jefferson! And she was a child and he grown ass man, which (rightfully) makes is automatically rape in our mordern minds.
Also it should not be forgotten, that Sallys father AND her mothers father were slave owners that raped their slaves (she was actually the halfsister of Jeffersons late wife), which genetically made her more european than african - which makes the whole affair even more complicated and showcases the indoctrination and mindset of that era.
Again, I don't mean to say that any of that slavery (and grooming) BS is exceptable, but as Mortius rightfully pointed out we should not forget the historical lense and the mindset of these people.
And that's also why I think it was the right decision to mention Sally. It prompts fans of the show to ask "wait, who's Sally?" and discover this historical figure, who truly should not be forgotten!
Edited for spelling errors and to apolagize for the lengthy comment...
@@PumpkinSparks if lin cared about people educating themselves on Sally he wouldn't have made her out to be jefferson's secretary, nothing about her inclusion prompted curiosity, it's incredibly disrespectful
@@morrowzoranov I'm sorry, but where did you get that she's made out to be his secretary? He asked her to open a letter. That could be an employee (like a secretary, sure), or a house slave (which she was), or a daughter, or a wife, or a dear friend, or many more possibilities.
@@PumpkinSparks if you say so man, weird hill to die on
@@morrowzoranovI didn't think it was his secretary, I imagined it was his slave because the characters of the chorus of "What did I miss?" are essentially all slaves, and I think (so for example when he says "That we're free" he is literally being carried by slaves, and at one point he cleans his hand agaisnt his clothes after one of the chorus touches his hand).
I will never get over the little details of Jefferson wiping his hand off on his clothes after touching one of the black extras like he just touched something filthy. Right... Here(7:56). You actually paused right as he was doing the wiping.
It's, to my memory, the only physical indication of his racism given by the acting itself, and to this day I've never seen anyone notice or mention it. It's SO subtle.
Something I will mention from the cabinet battle: the line “imagine what gon happen when you try to tax our whiskey” from Jefferson is based on the real Whiskey Rebellion, when Hamilton did in fact place a tax on whiskey. Farmers in Western Pennsylvania protested on what they saw as unfair taxation, and the tax was eventually repealed (removed). It was such a thing because a major reason why the colonies fought the war against Britain was because Parliament was taxing the colonies to get out of debt from the French and Indian War years earlier. The whiskey tax must have brought back those memories of British taxes and wanted to remove that tax immediately, leading to the rebellion of the whiskey farmers.
Hope this adds a bit of interesting historical context of act 1 and the one line of the cabinet battle 😉😆
Have to say that as a black fan I was enjoying that you guys weren't getting deep into the slavery discussion of Hamilton, because there are very few ways to handle it sensitively. I appreciate that you made an effort to interject nuance and discuss it in a historical context, but the positions were still a misfire on this one. The age old house slaves didn't have it good but had it better discussion is not fruitful, particularly coming from non-black non-experts.
Oh god, don't tell me they accidentally do a racism?
The "have it better" conversation is not fruitful, you're right. But something should be said about the complexities of the time Washington legally COULD NOT emancipate half the slaves at Mt. Vernon bc they legally "belonged" to Martha's 1st husband and his family. He also inherited slaves at 11 yrs old, which he also had no control over. He did purchase his own, and I'm not saying he is a saint, but he was born into a system that set him up to be exploitative.
Yeahhh the respectability slavery arguments were a real big yikes
I do hope that Casper and Mortius use this as a learning experience and take the time to do better about this kind of stuff in the future. I understand where they were coming from in this, trying to somewhat defend respected historical figures but they definitely missed the mark on this.
@@Adronitis He was born into an exploitative situation and could have chosen to be better in his life instead of in his death. The people who were *actually* born into exploitative conditions were his slaves. There's no need to defend Washington for his actions as a slave-owner, he's long dead, and the legacy of his hypocrisy lives on in the vile compromises he helped write into American law.
Fun fact about LMM and Chris Jackson: they first met when Chris played Benny in In the Heights. Benny Was supposed to have fewer Songs. But once LMM heard hím he wrote more for him. And apparently LMM said to Chris "as long as I am working you'll have a job".
Mortius be break dancing on a mine field
Truly! I was stressed out for him during that whole section lol
Well let me say this: 🎶What I miss?🎶
And for the record you better get ready with this act it's about to get into some deep sh!t🥲
The actor who played Peggy also gets a different role in the second half of the musical as well.
I was gonna say... 4 characters 😊
Daveed doesn't dance so much as he prances and hops. I love it.
when I first watched Hamilton I legit did not realize that there were double casts til the credits roll, face blindness is certainly something
It's also in their presentation of posture, costume, voice, and tone. If they were indistinguishable changes between acts, the change of character would be even harder to follow.
That gold paisley tie/vest pattern is absolutely fantastic. Fully off topic, but definitely worth noting.
Mortius! I love the new suit and tie!!
I just wanna make a small correction. there's 4 actors who come back in new roles
He realizes later on that he missed one
I came to say this. Glad someone else thought to mention it.
Ok in this video we learned:
#1 Tiresias is Casper's ancestor
#2 Jefferzeus
#3 Purple Men
Casper swearing, Mason's ten dollars, the immediate swearing following: That's me every single day. I also swear too much, and I, sadly, don't have an IRL editor to censor me lmao
I've been checking the channel all day waiting for this because my dumb self keeps thinking that today is Friday 🤦🤦🤦
I'm watching this video after the Kamala Vs Trump Debate happened and OMG what Mortius says is FACTS!!!!
It's why even Republicans don't fuck with him now. He's spewing garbage and Kamala is wanting to help and talk to THE PEOPLE. Can't wait til she's the new President!!
42:10 "PLZ STOP" "WHY" "I JUST MADE 10 DOLLARS" 🤣Mason's editing is just as wonderfully hilarious as you two.
So Lafayette actually had a few fights with Washington about him not willing to let his slaves free, and he literally saw him as his mentor, it's said that Washington loved him like his own son( the man had a room in Mount Vernon reserved only for Lafayette). Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette, Marquis de Lafayette actually named his oldest son after the amarican general, as Georges Washington Louis Gilbert de La Fayette
Jefferson wasn’t married to Sally Hemmings. When she was a young teen Jefferson decided to begin having relations with her & they had children. Monticello used to refer to her as Jefferson’s mistress, but now make it known that Sally never really had a choice in the matter. She made the most of her life with Jefferson, but make no mistake. She was still enslaved.
@@reneebush2399 The way you phrase that makes it sound like Jefferson was the teen.
@@leonglitch oh crap. Thanks. Will edit.
Ahhhhh. Thank you for the explanation for the random jump in the middle. Headed to playlist. See ya in a few hours!
When it comes to the Cabinet meeting and Hamilton talks bad to Maddison. I always make the joke that not even the music is supporting the stuff that Hamilton is saying.😅❤
Oh hell yes Jefferson... there are SO MANY living descendants of his out there that were born of (presumably? My understanding is old and possibly misinformed or just debunked in the interim) MULTIPLE slaves. He was a nasty man in that particular regard. However he also wanted to include an end to slavery In the declaration/constitution (🎶I suck at history🎶) but cut it due to tensions at the time I think.
Thomas Jefferson also mentioned Monticello in his What'd I Miss song, which is the name of his property in Virginia.
Sally wasn’t his “wife” per se. It’s more appropriate that she was his concubine and stayed as his slave for their whole lives. The children they had together were born as slaves, but Jefferson freed them when they turned eighteen. This was really common practice for slave owners.
Glad to see the love for Chris Jackson. Chris was nominated for a Tony that year.
He lost to Daveed Diggs!
It's unusual for two actors in the same show to get nominated opposite each other. But sometimes in a monster hit show with a lot of talented people, it does happen.
Just realized that the piano in Cabinet Battle is the transition to Take A Break
Also, Jefferson hades
Fun fact. Sort of. The Sally that Jefferson mentioned when he first got into the country in that scene. Was actually the slave that he slept with. And she had many children by him.
How does Mortius have so many good suits! So jealous
I just started watching you guys a few weeks ago but I love the change to longer videos!
Jefferson and Hamilton were political opponents with diametrically opposed visions for the new country. In Hamilton, you get a sense of how Hamilton perceived his political rival. Jefferson thought the newly created country should be an agricultural country with mostly small farms and believed most power should reside in the states and localities. Hamilton's vision was of a powerful industrial nation with a strong centralized government. They clashed about these visions when the country was brand new and those different visions continue to pop up in U.S. political arguments now. I don't think you can take the portrayal of Jefferson in Hamilton's story to be entirely accurate.
This is David's first Broadway musical!!!! and getting a Tony for it....amazing.
Other people have already corrected the thing about Jefferson and Sally. I thought it was important to mention that even if he had wanted to marry her he couldn't have.
Interracial marriages were illegal until civil rights reforms in the 1900s.
I'm guessing thats something y'all didnt know about otherwise you would have known she couldn't have been his wife.
That but of awful hsitory that some people would love to bring back aside, its great watching you two go through this. This is my first experience with Hamilton and it's making the show a lot more approachable for me.
The things Casper picks up on in this show are crazy, and I love watching where the prediction dice fall.
Being able to get the extra lore and musical context thanks to Mortius is also a great way to experience this for the first time.
Thank y'all as always.
As far as the video length goes i dont mind a long video.
At the same time if ends up causing your engagement to go down because its too long for the channel, you could always break it into two videos that you release maybe s couple days apart. We'd still be getting it at about the same oace that way.
If the longer videos don't drop engagement though I'd be absolutely fine with you doing them this way from here on.
Thanks again for all your hard work and for letting us come along for the ride with y'all.
Fun fact the Whiskey line from Jefferson is actually based on a historical event known as the Whiskey rebellion about taxes on whiskey that happened in Pennsylvania in 1791
Absolutely LOVE that vest and tie
"How are you a youtuber" is in a very familiar font. Does that mean we didn't recast Mason? Hooray for Mason!
About propaganda, Ron Chernow's biography of Hamilton that the musical is based upon is a bit contentious. Someone even wrote a whole theatrical play about the ghosts of the past appearing to Lin-Manuel Miranda and telling him how misguided he was by Chernow. And I know lots of people that are very angry about rewriting history and the glorification of the Founding Fathers and black actors playing slavers and how slavery is portrayed in this musical.
I'll make full use of the fact that Casper is avoiding comments to point out something that Mortius might want to mention if Casper doesn't notice it by Cabinet Battle #2.
Cabinet battles are just duels. Microphones and guns come from the same wooden case. The music behind cabinet battles is just a remix of the duel theme.
Fun fact about what did I miss: the style is meant to mimic songs of the 70’s, showing that Jefferson missed like a decade in France and is still behind
*Cannot* believe I missed the premiere of this, The Purple Guy Himself, the Marquis du JefferZeus, back from Aragon, France, and of course Casper's iconic Nat 20! In any case, can't wait for what comes next!
mortius i love your vest and tie, so dapper!
For the epic cast discussion, I’ve always thought it would be like you’re part of the ensemble until it’s your solo and then you go back to the ensemble
I love how much Casper picks up on themes and motifs, not just in the music, but in the plot; The characters, the story. It's so fun. And the predictions are so funny - also props to the editor! Absolutely stellar job each video, such fun cuts and things and so well edited! :D
Ok who do you prefer out of Lafayette and Jefferson and who do you prefer out of Madisson and Hercules (Mulligan not disney)
I belive that Lafayette and Hércules, but i only know them by the play, not real life
In the musical, I prefer Laf and Madison.
Irl, I prefer Laf and mulligan.
I also love Jefferson in the musical but irl he was… yikes
@@Svp3rN0va-xoxo I mean most people potrayed in hamilton were pretty yikes.
@@leonglitch yea but Jefferson was one of the worst
@@Svp3rN0va-xoxo oh I know was just saying they were all awful
Im trying to not cry the intro of this channel is open arms from Epic, Polities my baby!! 😭
"Cabinet Battle #1" was the first song I ever heard from Hamilton, so it holds a special place in my heart.
Yeah, pretty much all of the founding fathers had slaves. Even Hamilton did as he was given some by his father-in-law as part of the wedding presents. I think Hamilton might have freed his during his lifetime. Most of the founding fathers were against slavery in a vague sense, but kept kicking the can down the road figuring the practice would eventually end or die out. Washington at least tried to free his slaves in his will, but nothing in his will was carried out and his slaves were sold off to pay his estate’s debts. Jefferson was just a total hypocrite, actively obtaining more and only freeing a handful of his direct offspring with his slaves. Even Burr had slaves while also belonging to an anti-slavery organization.
Actually Washington’s will was carried out. Jefferson was the one who wanted to free but couldn’t due to debts.
John Adams was the only founding father who did not own slaves
@@emilylewis5373some of Washington's slaves were freed, not all of them
@@ammaleslie509 his were freed. See Martha Washington actually was richer than he was, out of the slaves at mount Vernon less than 1/2 belong to him. The issue with Martha freeing her slaves (we don’t know her opinions on slavery just his) was that they were entailed (think pride and prejudice) via her first husbands family. She legally couldn’t free her slaves. He wanted to free his slaves earlier than his death but both moral (the two slave estates had intermarried, and current laws meant freed slaves had to leave the state once freed) and financial (freed slaves had to have skilled job training as well as a set amount paid by the previous owner in cash) limited freeing of slaves. Since his estate died with him, or rather it would with his wife’s death, they were able to end the practice for his estate.
@@emilylewis5373 yes, that sounds more like the history I was taught
mortius’s new hamilton outfit absolutely slays
Prophet Casper is strong in this one.
I personally prefer the longer form videos 😊
I just wanna say, Mason, you're a legend. These edits are so much fun.😂
Autocorrect to 4 people with new roles… and Peggy :D
*4 actors play double characters (they missed Jasmine Cephas Jones)
To be fair, she looks and sounds so different as her 2nd act character that you might easily not realize it’s her.
I like Casper's older theory that rapping and singing distinguishes characters by their backgrounds. Like yeah, Hamilton and his buddies are underdogs getting into the scene where top dogs have been running the show.
The funniest thing to me about TJeff being this big bombastic character is that irl he was pretty quiet and reserved, it's just that he WROTE very big and passionately. But it was such a genius move imo to essentially say "whatever these people were like in-person is not as important as expressing who they were in their writing" because of how important writing IS to the story. It's just so good.
Love the continued double content! You guys spoil us
Fun fact about Washington to help you analyze everything, Washington practiced Stoicism. I'm uncertain precisely which philosophers he followed, but it's a random fact I learned, and I think you can hear it in some of his songs
I'm so excited!! Thomas Jefferson is my FAVORITEEEEEEEE he's so funny!
Can't wait!! :)
"Looking at the rolling fields, I can't believe that we are free." I just realized the ironic nature of that line. He had slaves working the fields of Monticello. That might not be intended, but that's what I just interpreted.
Mortius, you missed one of the Act 1 actors who return in Act 2 as different characters. please let Casper know about that person in red, so he is not completely disgusted with Hamilton for...stuff :D
Daaang, Mortius with the amazing debate advice!
The line about getting frisky if you try to tax our whisky references the Whisky Rebellion, when SW PA (basically Pittsburgh’s suburbs) rebelled against Hamilton’s tax on Whisky and the federal government had to send in the military to put it down.
I think The Bullet is being both Sally Hemmings and the Bullet in this scene. She also seems to represent fate. One of the events that led to Hamilton’s eventual death was Jefferson becoming Secretary of State and the two of them fighting enough to form the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans. Later on, a decision Hamilton will make in the show regarding Jefferson and Burr played a pivotal role in Hamilton’s death.
Love the longer form!! We can always pause a video and save it for later, I think we’d rather have more of you guys sooner. 🎉
I'm from Czechia and for the english part of my highschool graduation exam (different system then in the USA), I drew a question about America and when we got to the revolution... let's just say that claiming that this musical saved my ass is an understatement.
Since this is being vetted so Kaspar doesn't see: note the play on words. "Commander". That would be Commander in the military as well as Commander in Chief (President). And "Daddy's calling" (later on), Daddy as in Father figure (calling Hamilton Son), versus Father of Our Country (Literally George Washington in US history is known as this). I mentioned his because NO other reactor has mentioned this play on words.
27:30 2nd time he's said smth right before it's said in Hamilton lol
29:43 Sally
1. I think the term you were looking for with the difference between people like Jefferson and Washington is "less bad", very far from good but not the worst, the lesser of two evils.
2. At the time that was how the game was played(the art of the trade, how the sausage got made)there were people who were against it or sympathetic but still couldn't give up that advantage because it'd be shooting themselves in the foot. And yes it's a horrific thing and a blight on our history and we should make sure it never ever happens again
Alrighty here I go. I've never tried this hard to get people to watch something about my 4th time but please please watch the guy who didn't like musicals it would make my life and I could rest in peace lol but actually and when you finish this if your still waiting for the wisdom saga to come put this would be perfect to react to plus a few other stuff if you see this and read it please let me know do I can give a little more details on it 😅 (not spoilers)
Omfg would literally die to see them react to Starkid and the Hatchetfield series!! Guy Who Doesn’t Like Musicals is wonderful and they’d love it.
I think Longform for this is exactly how it should be, I find myself wanting to listen to more of the songs after you guy's reactions so getting more just helps sate that, its like getting a full meal as opposed to an appetizer
There are 4 characters that return in a different role, Lafayette to Jefferson, Mulligan to Madison, Laurens to Phillip, and Peggy to Mrs. Reynolds.
Yo Mortius, where did you get that vest and tie?!?!?! It looks so dapper, I need ittttttt!!!!!!!!
I wonder if the purple vs. green are to represent the nascent political parties. Jefferson founds the Democratic-Republicans and purple is a mix of red and blue, the colors used for the Democrats and the Republicans today although his party is more directly linked to the modern Democrats than the Republicans. Hamilton is one of the founders of the Federalist Party, a group that no longer exists but did through a chain of other parties also help spawn the modern Republican Party. It makes sense to make Hamilton green as that is the color of American money and there is no convenient color to represent the Federalists. While the U.S. has a two-party system, the exact two parties have changed over time as different political movements were born and died.