Gooseneck is on heavier trailers because the trailer can lean with out flexing the trailer frame,as in horse trailers and equipment trailers that go off road. On semi trailers the fifth wheel stays flat but the truck frame and suspension is designed to flex.
The gooseneck is much easier on a pickup truck frame and suspension because it can pivot 360° a fifth wheel just back and forth, and we all know Campground roads can twist back and forth which makes it much easier on the camper and the truck with the gooseneck
I just got a Gen Y. So far love it a lot. I had a BW companion. That was a awesome hitch as well. I just tow more with a gooseneck. So removing a 5th wheel hitch all the time sucks. Plus i got my bed back. I called Gen Y they help me pick the right hitch. Awesome customer service. Also E trailer did great as well.
We bought our Alliance Valor 40v13 last December. We never even towed it off the lot without the Gen-Y Executive hitch. We Absolutely love it. I did a ton of research and realized this is the safest and easiest way to tow. We however opted for the B&W Ball kit for our Ram Truck. I put the chain anchors in the rear position. I can reach everything standing on the ground. The B&W Ball is nice with the handle so you don't have to get grease everywhere when removing 👍
I'm so happy to hear that you love yours too! Seriously, so game-changing. That's a good point on the B&W hitch.. I hadn't even thought about that part when researching. I guess we just assumed they were kind of a "one size fits all" thing. I'll dig more into that now, thanks for the tip! - Sean
@@PawsForLove Also with the B&W ball there is no Mechanism in the top of the ball. People have had problems with some of the others because over time with the weight and wear they can't get the Mechanism to release.
I looked into this gen-y setup but went with the Reese goose box instead because Reese is the only goose box that is approved that doesn’t void the RV frame manufacturers warranty I’m super impressed with how it works👌👌👌
Hey you two. Fellow Valor owner and full timer over here. 2022 41v15 but cart before the horse situation with the truck on order from Ford. So glad I stumbled upon your channel as I’ve really enjoyed your upgrade video and I had been considering swapping to the Gen-Y goose as well. Really informative video. Loved that you went by the Gen-Y factory and had those pros install it. Keep up the good work, you’re fun to watch.
Hey Joe! Love that you have a Valor too :) Great minds think alike! We are excited to hear that you’re considering the Gen-Y setup - it’s such a great combo with the Valor. If you do end up going that route, be sure to call in to their customer service team to have them get the right unit for the Valor. It’s free and you mine as well use the experts to double check it before you order!
I have had my Gen-Y gooseneck on our Reflection for two years ...absolutely luv it! No maintenance, built extremely well. We use the B&W ball which gives a little extra height. 100% recommend Gen-Y over other brands.
@emmo51364 I have a Ram 2500 and tow a keystone cougar. I can't make 90 degree turn with the gen y. Then again I never needed to ever before. So well see how it goes.
Fascinating! Thanks Sean. I would absolutely trust any product designed, manufactured and distributed by Amish or Mennonite craftsmen. My very first RV was custom-built in Manitoba (Canada). Quality and safety always come first. Crazy is almost as big as Lazy now! Double the cuteness! I just love Nash's and Maverick's new nicknames! LOL!
Absolutely! It is some of the best craftsmanship that you can find with any products. And seriously, it’s wild how much Crazy and Lazy look a like now! Mav has gotten so big! It was funny though because one day we looked at Mav’s face and you could tell he was a dog and not a puppy. We miss the puppy days already!
As far as warranty, may depend on manufacturer. I have verified with Brinkley about switching out on a Z model and they prefer the Gen-Y (it is standard on the G model - choice of pin or gooseneck) and believe they will be better for the chassis and frame long term. Since warranty goes through them, they have said it will obviously not void it even though it is a Lippert frame.
We love our Gen-Y Gooseneck hitch. It is a rough ride for the first 600 miles or so. We have 7500 miles on the hitch and wouldn't trade it for anything. We got a tire step... it makes it a lot easier to connect the safety chains. The first step we ordered was 19" wide, it did not work well with our F450 19.5 rims. We got a 22 inch wide step and love it.
You’re totally right about the rough ride 😂 But after it smooths out… holy cow it’s amazing! Love the idea about the tire step. That might stop me from whacking my head on the cap when I jump into the bed!
Great info...our Alliance had an Anderson hitch but we didn't have time to swap out our 5th wheel hitch so I removed the Anderson and am using the big ol' plate. Will definitely consider the Gen-Y thanks to this! (Plus love the cross :))
That’s great! We have some friends that use the Anderson hitch too. It’s a great hitch! The only downside is that your back to the same space issue by having a big hitch in the bed of the truck. For us, that is really what pushed us over the edge. And it’s so nice to have that bed back!
I used my brothers truck to tow our 5th wheel home and instantly took off the king pin and put a Reese Goosebox on it. My big reason was I need my truck bed. I put a BW turnover hitch in it as it wasn't factory prepped and now all I have to do is flip the ball over and I get my bed back instead of having to remove a 200lbs hitch. The ride is also better, but that wasn't my primary reason. It's a little more difficult to hook up, but you get used to it. Not all states require the safety chains, but I bought mine from Reese and hook them up every time. Better safe than sorry.
That is fantastic! And such a great reason to go with a goose set up. It’s great that mostly all options out there are high quality - so you really can’t go wrong.
I have a Reese Goosebox Also the chain law is broken because it was written for Bumper mounted trailers with a Ball. They wrote the law without taking the future into consideration 😢 I always use my chains unless I'm in say Quartzite and only moving to dump within laposa south if I get on a regular road I'll use them.
Another plus for the gooseneck is that it is a safer solution. I've seen many RUclips videos of trailers crushing the truck bed because a pull test was not performed when pulling away or having your arm ping between the trailer and truck bed because the trailer rolled off the hitch. It's very difficult to have that happen with gooseneck - it's either hitched up or it's not.
NOT TRUE. That is why chains are required on goosenecks and not on 5th wheels. The failure rate of 5th wheels is very, very low compared to ball hookups. I'm not saying goosenecks are bad, I actually love them. But it is not "it's either hitched up or it's not". MANY people "high hitch" when using a ball set up. You must make sure the ball is seated properly and the hitch is not sitting on top of the ball. @@PawsForLove
@@freetoroam6606 chains are required because of an old law. The Gooseball is much less likely to disconnect than a Kingpin! This is a fact! Trailers with Kingpins drop way more often Goose balls are almost "0" im retired now but I've towed/cleaned up every kind of accident you can imagine over 30 years! Fuel tankers , trailers , Fifth Wheel campers I've seen them all come apart or someone pulled the pin causing it. Not once did I get a Gooseneck failure of any kind! I've had trucks go off bridges while the gooseball was still holding strong! There are a lot of Myths out there that are not good Myths. And Money spent in some cases to prevent using them the manufacturer of the parts for the truck will lose a lot if people start using the ball some people already have in their truck .
I wish I would have seen this video about two years ago! We purchased a TT instead of a 5th wheel for three reasons, one of which was not wanting to “lose the use of our truck bed”. This seems to address that. Probably still would get the TT though… maybe. LOL Blessings to you all. We have Shelties, so can relate on the puppies being such a big part of your life.
We totally understand! Everything is for a reason and for a season though :) That's the beauty of RV's, they are such great tools! Tell your Shelties hello from Nash and Mav!
Good video, thanks. Something to think about: I went from an Andersen hitch on our previous 5th wheel trailer (Montana) to the Gen-Y on our new Brinkley. I really like the Gen-y for the extra bed space but dislike how close the tailgate gets to the trailer. Doing a little research and I saw that Gen-Y sells the "Goosepuck" that pushes the ball 5" back toward the tailgate of the truck. I think that extra distance will be huge when hitching up. I ordered one last night and can't wait to try it.
That’s great perspective! And totally see what you’re saying. I’m assuming you have a short bed? We have an 8’ bed and don’t have a problem with this at all.
@@PawsForLove I have the 8’ bed. The tailgate is just much closer now than with the Andersen. I could walk behind it while it was open with it. Just want a little more clearance.
It does void the warranty from Lippert. However, theoretically, there is no difference in this unit and other manufacturers such as Reese. We were comfortable knowing they have had zero frame issues reported though.
This is interesting 🤔 thank you for sharing! I am hitch shipping now...fellow Alliance owner...and leaning toward the pull rite super glide for my standard bed truck. I wonder how this hitch performs on short bed and standard bed trucks. Also curious, how much weight did it add to the front end of the camper? Is it much heavier than the original pin?
Well hello fellow Ally! It's hard to tell on the comparison with a short bed because we have an 8' long bed with our F350 dually. I will always now opt for the 8' bed after having one! In regards to the weight; I don't believe it added much at all. And if you consider how much weight you save in the truck bed by not having a hitch, you'll have reduced your overall weight over the axle.
Just saw the video, great video and content. One question. I saw where the tailgate was an issue of almost hitting the trailer when hooking up and unhooking. Is your truck a long bed? Thank you Safe travels
Thank you so much! Great question on the tailgate. It has roughly 4”-6” of clearance between the tailgate when it’s down and the RV. It seems like a short amount on video, but in real life, it’s not bad. What we have been doing though is putting the tailgate up when it’s clear of the pin box. That way there is no risk of running it into the RV.
Great video. What lift/leveling kit you have? Do you have airbags? I'm glad a found this video as I am about to buy a 5th wheel and have been doing some research about goosenecks.
Thank you! I actually don’t have a lift or leveling kit. It’s only aftermarket rims and tires. I do have Firestone airbags. I can’t recommend the gooseneck set up enough. It changes the game!
@@PawsForLoveWhat size rims and tires? I just got a 2024 F350 DRW and want to raise it a little without altering the towing capabilities of the truck. I like how your truck looks and you seem to be happy with your set up.
I believe Gen Y also makes a 5" offset ball if you need more room between truck and trailer. Also do you find it more difficult to hitch up or getting things lined up properly? Or is it a two person job, or if you have a bed view camera how does it go? I know with my traditional fifth wheel as you know is fairly simple to hitch. It does look like an awesome hitch though.
I believe they do as well! It was certainly an adjustment backing up, but it is now a one person job. It could go a little faster with 2 people. The reason is that the camera is good to line you up side-to-side, however it's hard to gauge your depth sometimes. After doing it a dozen times you definitely get a feel for where to stop though. I just do it myself now and it only takes about 5 minutes in total hooking up.
Hi guys, great video. Question, my wife and I are looking at getting an Alliance fifth wheel, upgrading from a travel trailer. Have you noticed any stability issues when towing with the gooseneck versus the fifth wheel hitch? I’ve heard the gooseneck hitches don’t provide as much stability, just curious if there’s anything truth to this? Like you, I’d prefer to use a gooseneck in order to keep my bed space.
This is a really great question. To be honest, we actually think the gooseneck setup feels more stable. It’s very hard to tell, and I would say it’s just a slight improvement. They are both very similar on that one metric. Best of luck on the Alliance purchase! We have been so happy with ours and love meeting fellow Allies out on the road!
To put the truth out there about Kingpin VS Gooseneck! Safety Chains are not used with Kingpins for a couple reasons 1. They can get caught in the work's of everything. 2 its not a Ball connection so the law says Not Required! On the Gooseneck 1. the chains are required only because of the laws just like Seatbelts are LAW. 2. once a Gooseneck is secured it separating is far less likely than a Kingpin. How many Semis or Kingpin Fifth wheel camper's have separated compared to A Gooseneck? Almost "0". You get out around farms and the Midwest The Gooseneck is used to pull extremely valuable LIVE cargo! I just pulled a 19k Fifth Wheel camper around the country with a 20k Reese Goosebox it was the Best decision I ever made! Rode nice was easier on the truck and trailer! Yes by law I had to connect chains not that big a inconvenience. I reversed them to make it easier to connect. And The Reese is the only Goosebox that doesn't void the warranty on the camper. And it has a Air ride built into it. Over 18k miles pulling with it through the Rockies and passes in Utah without any issues. Once the ball is locked in its in! No pull test needed to make sure its locked! People play games and pull the pin when parked with kingpins causing you to drop the trailer. Yes it happens in truck Stops especially. I can put a padlock on the Goosebox if i feel the need. Don't believe all The myths out there to decide, use the facts, common sense, no not all laws are written correctly some were broad that carry over to things like a gooseneck. Want to fix that law say something or live with it....
Hello George! Thank you so much. We are so grateful that you enjoy them! I'd say that we have over 20,000 miles towing on the Gen-Y Gooseneck now... and it's safe to say that it's amazing! I don't know how, but it seems to tow better and better every time we use it. Getting used to backing up took a few tries, but I'll never tow a fifth wheel set up again. I highly recommend!
Does that camper have a lippert frame? From what I've heard the manufacturer doesn't consider the Gen y gooseneck to be compatible cuz it could damage the frame but that's just what I've heard.
Great question! This Valor does have a Lippert frame. Technically speaking, it does void the frame warranty. I’m talking with Gen-Y before we did this conversion, they assured us at they have had no known issues with Lippert frames. That gave me enough confidence to go with this unit knowing the pros vs cons.
At the time, it wasn’t offered for the Rhino box. Even with the Gen3 one that is out now, I don’t want an airbag to maintain. I would still personally go this route again with the Gen-Y setup.
Will this stop the chucking. I’m up against my payload weight on my Grand Design 150 series towing with a Tundra. I do bottom out on bridges sometimes.
The Myths out there is probably why i haven't been able to sell my 5R with a 20k Goosebox. People are either afraid or indifferent not understanding its a superior connection. Ive offered to put a regular box on and keep the $2600 Goosebox for the future but i think most think ever having a Goosebox made it less valuable??? I know makes no sense but one day ill find a buyer that understands.
Hey, great video but a quick question it looks like your Ford is obviously a Dooley but it looks like it's a short box. What's the length of your box on your Ford? And do you find that the Gen Y hitch allows you to get close to 90 degrees or did you have to get the gen y extension to push the ball back further in the bed?
Curious what options you have for changing the height to make your trailer level using this type hitch. I have the B&W 25K fifth wheel hutch and it has some adjustment up and down for height. I am curious if you had any issues when you switched over. Is your F350 4WD? I hear there are balls that are taller in case you are low in the front and need to raise the height
This is a really good question! At the end of the day, the way to adjust height on this is to adjust which holes you're using in the pinbox. I feel that overall, I'd assume this will work on almost every truck and you'll have plenty of clearance between the bed and RV. Our F350 is 4WD. Personally, I'd really like to level our truck with the 2" spacer in the front, but it's hard to justify the expense!
We have an 8’ bed. I believe this will still work on a short bed, but you could run it into the cab. The slider hitches help fix that problem when using a fifth wheel style connection.
Yes we did! We didn’t want to maintain an airbag, and at the time of us getting the Gen-Y, there wasn’t a Reese available for our RhinoBox. The Gen 3 from Reese would work, but we would still choose Gen-Y if we did it all over again.
That’s a great question. From what I understand, that is correct. It’s more “connected” to the physics of the truck and it’s also not bouncing around as much because the pin box essentially has some built in suspension with the TorsionFlex technology behind Gen-Y.
During your research, did you compare the Gen-Y to the Reece Gooseneck? Many say that the Reece Gooseneck is the only one that won’t void the Lippert frame warranty?? I want to go to this type of pin box when I get my new truck so I’m curious as to why you picked this one over any other gooseneck type options.
Great question, Mike! Yes, we did look at the Reese gooseneck. Ultimately, I didn’t want an airbag to maintain, which is what swayed us to Gen-Y. You are definitely correct about the Lippert frame warranty with Gen-Y though. When we spoke to Gen-Y about this, they had said that out of thousands of units, they haven’t had a single frame issue. For us, that was enough to trust it. However, it’s understandable if that’s a deal breaker and pushes you to the Reese.
@@PawsForLove I like the way you think. When he explained that there’s no maintenance to be done at all on the Gen-Y it sure got my attention. One of the main complaints I’ve heard from people using the Reece is about the airbag that requires frequent inflation & adjustment. I’m not sure why Lippert hasn’t approved the use of the Gen-Y on their frames but I think the numbers speak for themselves if no one has reported any issues so far. Thanks for the quick reply 👍🏻
Greetings! I'm actually doing the very same research right now for our rig. I have to admit that my focus is not really on freeing up the bed of my truck, it's more around ease of hitching and smoothing out the ride. The question that I have, that I've not seen addressed anywhere, is how is the side to side flex? The up/down is handled by the torsion bars, but what about side to side? Thanks for the great video! It was very informative and good to see the ease of the switch out. Safe travels!
This is a GREAT question! Until you pointed out that it’s not been addressed anywhere, I hadn’t realized that. Such a great point! After reading your comment, I reached out to Jason at Gen-Y. He is the gentleman in the video that walks us through all the information. He first pointed out that when the fifth-wheel does move side to side, it will pivot on the ball, which means that it doesn’t technically compress the rubber (Torsion Flex) as much. But figuratively speaking, if the coupler was “solid mounted” on to something, and not on a ball or something that pivots, he assured me that there would be some “flex” to the rubber and would provide you with some level of benefit. Let me know if that answered your question or if there is anything else I could help with. - Sean
First, thank you so much for the reply! My question originates from thinking about what happens when I go offroad for some boondocking. There have been a couple of times that the drop off from the paved road to the side road had to be taken at a little bit of an angle. My Reese 5th wheel hitch pivots side to side which provides enough flex that I don’t worry much…I still take it nice and slow, but the flex is there. That’s why I was wondering about the gooseneck side to side flex. It makes sense that within the hitch to ball connection that there would be some give, just wasn’t sure how far that would go. I hope this makes sense! Thanks again for your reply, I’m looking forward to hearing about your overall impressions of the GenY hitch!
Well... not knocking it, but i have a question to anyone: Are the benefits worth the hassle of climbing in and out of the bed for the safety chains?? Also, once you get under, if you put the gate up, don't get in a rush and frustrated because your ball isn't lined up and pull out.
We haven’t traded in our TT for a 5th wheel yet but are in the market. A while back there was information out there that said if you swap out to a gooseneck, it would void the trailers manufacturers warranty. Do you know if there’s any truth to that?
Hey Alex! Technically it does void the Lippert Frame warranty at this point in time. However, there have been zero documented incidents thus far. Additionally, Reese doesn’t make a pin box for the Rhinobox setup that we have on our Valor at this point in time.
@@PawsForLove Reese does make a hitch for the Rhino Box. The part number is 94920, supported by Lippert. We just purchased one and will be having it installed soon as our trailer is currently at the dealer for warranty work. The older gen 1 & 2 Reese Goose boxes did not fit the Rhino mount but with a slight modification to 4 of the bolt holes it would work. All that needed to be done was to slot these holes 3/8" towards the front of the hitch and the hitch would bolt up. Bob
Would this work on a truck that is lifted. I added a 2 inch lift to my fifth wheel trailer but my trailer is still not level. My truck only has a 3 inch lift. I tried a andersen hitch but it put my trailer to high in the front.trailer
That’s a great question! I’ve actually been wanting to do the 4.5” Carli lift on our F350. I haven’t found any research yet that indicates we can or cannot use this setup. I know it’s not an answer, but I’m researching as well right now. More to come!
??? Y would you place all of that pin weight on such a small focused area. I see you have the ford factory 5th wheel “puck” system in the bed. It allows for better weight distribution on the truck frame.
These trucks are set up to carry very heavy gooseneck loads. Have you ever seen the “hotshot” setups that are hauling 3-4 cars? That pin weight is much higher than our Fifth Wheel.
So it doesn’t void the overall warranty. At this point it will void the Lippert frame warranty, however, they have had zero reported incidents since this product has been introduced. We were told that when we toured the factory.
Great point and question. Gen-Y makes a lock for the pinbox and we use that. Here is a link to what we use: genyhitch.com/product/auto-latch-gooseneck-coupler-lock/?attribute_pa_receiver-size=auto-latch-coupler-lock&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgribBhDkARIsAASA5bskjTrpUuptWW6P-A_E1DAYESi1c0oLvXRkaoPxmklBaDzgqgVEIeAaAqQDEALw_wcB
@@PawsForLove - There's a scene in the matrix: ruclips.net/video/z_KmNZNT5xw/видео.html In your video, the girls in the background @ 4:59... ahhh never mind. Thanks for the vid, just the same. I'm considering a gooseneck conversion and your video was helpful.
Since when do semis use chains with coupling a trailer? The reason is legit in the name “safety” chains. Just like on a bumper pull, it’s in case the trailer comes uncoupled and doesn’t fly off into traffic.
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Gooseneck is on heavier trailers because the trailer can lean with out flexing the trailer frame,as in horse trailers and equipment trailers that go off road. On semi trailers the fifth wheel stays flat but the truck frame and suspension is designed to flex.
That’s a great point! Thank you for sharing.
The gooseneck is much easier on a pickup truck frame and suspension because it can pivot 360° a fifth wheel just back and forth, and we all know Campground roads can twist back and forth which makes it much easier on the camper and the truck with the gooseneck
I just got a Gen Y. So far love it a lot. I had a BW companion. That was a awesome hitch as well. I just tow more with a gooseneck. So removing a 5th wheel hitch all the time sucks. Plus i got my bed back. I called Gen Y they help me pick the right hitch. Awesome customer service. Also E trailer did great as well.
This is great to hear! And so glad that you’re loving it already. It is definitely a game changer 🤘🏻
We bought our Alliance Valor 40v13 last December.
We never even towed it off the lot without the Gen-Y Executive hitch.
We Absolutely love it.
I did a ton of research and realized this is the safest and easiest way to tow.
We however opted for the B&W
Ball kit for our Ram Truck.
I put the chain anchors in the rear position. I can reach everything standing on the ground.
The B&W Ball is nice with the handle so you don't have to get grease everywhere when removing 👍
I'm so happy to hear that you love yours too! Seriously, so game-changing. That's a good point on the B&W hitch.. I hadn't even thought about that part when researching. I guess we just assumed they were kind of a "one size fits all" thing. I'll dig more into that now, thanks for the tip! - Sean
@@PawsForLove Also with the B&W ball there is no Mechanism in the top of the ball.
People have had problems with some of the others because over time with the weight and wear they can't get the Mechanism to release.
How is the hitch on the 40v13? We are getting the 40v13 soon and the first thing I want to do is move to the “gooseneck” setup
@@raddisonwilliams It's absolutely great. We will never have any other hitch.
That's great to know! @@jamesglenn520
I looked into this gen-y setup but went with the Reese goose box instead because Reese is the only goose box that is approved that doesn’t void the RV frame manufacturers warranty I’m super impressed with how it works👌👌👌
I totally understand! Either way, you really can’t loose. Goose is the way to go!
Love love love our Gen-Y Gooseneck Hitch!
Thank you! It has been a major game changer for us. We’d do it all over again too!
After talking about the cross and the chain, I was really hoping to see how the chain is installed in the cross
Hey you two. Fellow Valor owner and full timer over here. 2022 41v15 but cart before the horse situation with the truck on order from Ford. So glad I stumbled upon your channel as I’ve really enjoyed your upgrade video and I had been considering swapping to the Gen-Y goose as well. Really informative video. Loved that you went by the Gen-Y factory and had those pros install it. Keep up the good work, you’re fun to watch.
Hey Joe! Love that you have a Valor too :) Great minds think alike! We are excited to hear that you’re considering the Gen-Y setup - it’s such a great combo with the Valor. If you do end up going that route, be sure to call in to their customer service team to have them get the right unit for the Valor. It’s free and you mine as well use the experts to double check it before you order!
I have had my Gen-Y gooseneck on our Reflection for two years ...absolutely luv it! No maintenance, built extremely well. We use the B&W ball which gives a little extra height. 100% recommend Gen-Y over other brands.
I love to hear that! We are equally as happy with this unit and highly recommend it. Inflating airbags is no fun 😂
How about short beds? I’m soon to be market ,love idea
@emmo51364 I have a Ram 2500 and tow a keystone cougar. I can't make 90 degree turn with the gen y. Then again I never needed to ever before. So well see how it goes.
@@Mattman2500 Thank you ,haven’t pulled trigger just yet. I’m thinking you’ll like it,looking forward to hearing more. Thank you
Fascinating! Thanks Sean. I would absolutely trust any product designed, manufactured and distributed by Amish or Mennonite craftsmen. My very first RV was custom-built in Manitoba (Canada). Quality and safety always come first.
Crazy is almost as big as Lazy now! Double the cuteness! I just love Nash's and Maverick's new nicknames! LOL!
Absolutely! It is some of the best craftsmanship that you can find with any products. And seriously, it’s wild how much Crazy and Lazy look a like now! Mav has gotten so big! It was funny though because one day we looked at Mav’s face and you could tell he was a dog and not a puppy. We miss the puppy days already!
As far as warranty, may depend on manufacturer. I have verified with Brinkley about switching out on a Z model and they prefer the Gen-Y (it is standard on the G model - choice of pin or gooseneck) and believe they will be better for the chassis and frame long term. Since warranty goes through them, they have said it will obviously not void it even though it is a Lippert frame.
That is great to know! Now that you say that, I do remember seeing the Gen-Y Fifth Wheel version on the demo unit at the Tampa show this year.
We love our Gen-Y Gooseneck hitch. It is a rough ride for the first 600 miles or so. We have 7500 miles on the hitch and wouldn't trade it for anything. We got a tire step... it makes it a lot easier to connect the safety chains. The first step we ordered was 19" wide, it did not work well with our F450 19.5 rims. We got a 22 inch wide step and love it.
You’re totally right about the rough ride 😂 But after it smooths out… holy cow it’s amazing! Love the idea about the tire step. That might stop me from whacking my head on the cap when I jump into the bed!
Great info...our Alliance had an Anderson hitch but we didn't have time to swap out our 5th wheel hitch so I removed the Anderson and am using the big ol' plate. Will definitely consider the Gen-Y thanks to this! (Plus love the cross :))
That’s great! We have some friends that use the Anderson hitch too. It’s a great hitch! The only downside is that your back to the same space issue by having a big hitch in the bed of the truck. For us, that is really what pushed us over the edge. And it’s so nice to have that bed back!
I used my brothers truck to tow our 5th wheel home and instantly took off the king pin and put a Reese Goosebox on it.
My big reason was I need my truck bed. I put a BW turnover hitch in it as it wasn't factory prepped and now all I have to do is flip the ball over and I get my bed back instead of having to remove a 200lbs hitch. The ride is also better, but that wasn't my primary reason. It's a little more difficult to hook up, but you get used to it.
Not all states require the safety chains, but I bought mine from Reese and hook them up every time. Better safe than sorry.
That is fantastic! And such a great reason to go with a goose set up. It’s great that mostly all options out there are high quality - so you really can’t go wrong.
I have a Reese Goosebox Also the chain law is broken because it was written for Bumper mounted trailers with a Ball. They wrote the law without taking the future into consideration 😢 I always use my chains unless I'm in say Quartzite and only moving to dump within laposa south if I get on a regular road I'll use them.
Another plus for the gooseneck is that it is a safer solution. I've seen many RUclips videos of trailers crushing the truck bed because a pull test was not performed when pulling away or having your arm ping between the trailer and truck bed because the trailer rolled off the hitch. It's very difficult to have that happen with gooseneck - it's either hitched up or it's not.
Yes! Absolutely! That is such a great point. We believe this to be the safest solution as well and will always tow this way moving forward.
NOT TRUE. That is why chains are required on goosenecks and not on 5th wheels. The failure rate of 5th wheels is very, very low compared to ball hookups. I'm not saying goosenecks are bad, I actually love them. But it is not "it's either hitched up or it's not". MANY people "high hitch" when using a ball set up. You must make sure the ball is seated properly and the hitch is not sitting on top of the ball. @@PawsForLove
Absolutely, great points!
@@freetoroam6606 chains are required because of an old law. The Gooseball is much less likely to disconnect than a Kingpin! This is a fact! Trailers with Kingpins drop way more often Goose balls are almost "0" im retired now but I've towed/cleaned up every kind of accident you can imagine over 30 years! Fuel tankers , trailers , Fifth Wheel campers I've seen them all come apart or someone pulled the pin causing it. Not once did I get a Gooseneck failure of any kind! I've had trucks go off bridges while the gooseball was still holding strong! There are a lot of Myths out there that are not good Myths. And Money spent in some cases to prevent using them the manufacturer of the parts for the truck will lose a lot if people start using the ball some people already have in their truck .
You have some great pups! Love the trailer as well.
Aw thank you so much! We really appreciate it 😊
Safety chains are for if the ball fails or if the trailer jumps off the ball the trailer will not run away from the truck.
I wish I would have seen this video about two years ago! We purchased a TT instead of a 5th wheel for three reasons, one of which was not wanting to “lose the use of our truck bed”. This seems to address that. Probably still would get the TT though… maybe. LOL Blessings to you all. We have Shelties, so can relate on the puppies being such a big part of your life.
We totally understand! Everything is for a reason and for a season though :) That's the beauty of RV's, they are such great tools! Tell your Shelties hello from Nash and Mav!
I already ordered and I'm installing on Monday. Great video!
That’s fantastic! You’ll have to let us know what you think after the “break in period.”
Great video, great review. I'll be adding this to my Alliance Paradigm 340RL this May.
Thank, Jim! Hope you are loving your Paradigm. That is such a great unit!
I'm working on getting a camper and I've just ordered of these. For my money this is a better option then buying a 5th wheel for my bed as well.
You’re spot on! It’s ironic that it’s a cheaper option, but is also the better option! A win-win in my book 🤘🏻
Good video, thanks. Something to think about:
I went from an Andersen hitch on our previous 5th wheel trailer (Montana) to the Gen-Y on our new Brinkley. I really like the Gen-y for the extra bed space but dislike how close the tailgate gets to the trailer. Doing a little research and I saw that Gen-Y sells the "Goosepuck" that pushes the ball 5" back toward the tailgate of the truck. I think that extra distance will be huge when hitching up. I ordered one last night and can't wait to try it.
That’s great perspective! And totally see what you’re saying. I’m assuming you have a short bed? We have an 8’ bed and don’t have a problem with this at all.
@@PawsForLove I have the 8’ bed. The tailgate is just much closer now than with the Andersen. I could walk behind it while it was open with it. Just want a little more clearance.
Beautiful new setup! Congratulations!!!
Thank you, Terry! We sure do love it!
Did you look at a goose box before you went with The Gen X
Yes we did! Much preferred Gen-Y though for many reasons. The main is that there isn’t an air bag to deal with.
Very interesting. Thanks~ The dogs look good...🙂
Nash and Mav say thank you!
I too was wondering if the gen-y would void trailer warranty because of the change of the frame strain point.
It does void the warranty from Lippert. However, theoretically, there is no difference in this unit and other manufacturers such as Reese. We were comfortable knowing they have had zero frame issues reported though.
This is interesting 🤔 thank you for sharing! I am hitch shipping now...fellow Alliance owner...and leaning toward the pull rite super glide for my standard bed truck. I wonder how this hitch performs on short bed and standard bed trucks.
Also curious, how much weight did it add to the front end of the camper? Is it much heavier than the original pin?
Well hello fellow Ally! It's hard to tell on the comparison with a short bed because we have an 8' long bed with our F350 dually. I will always now opt for the 8' bed after having one! In regards to the weight; I don't believe it added much at all. And if you consider how much weight you save in the truck bed by not having a hitch, you'll have reduced your overall weight over the axle.
I've seen gooseneck pins break when you go apposing angles Truck vs trailer
Pavement princess so should be ok
I have the bumper pull torsion hitch and absolutely love it !
That is such a great product as well! Glad to hear you’re loving it.
Just saw the video, great video and content. One question. I saw where the tailgate was an issue of almost hitting the trailer when hooking up and unhooking. Is your truck a long bed?
Thank you
Safe travels
Thank you so much! Great question on the tailgate. It has roughly 4”-6” of clearance between the tailgate when it’s down and the RV. It seems like a short amount on video, but in real life, it’s not bad.
What we have been doing though is putting the tailgate up when it’s clear of the pin box. That way there is no risk of running it into the RV.
Any frame failures do to the added leverage?
Nothing that we have experienced or heard of. It’s been a phenomenal towing experience thus far.
Great video. What lift/leveling kit you have? Do you have airbags? I'm glad a found this video as I am about to buy a 5th wheel and have been doing some research about goosenecks.
Thank you! I actually don’t have a lift or leveling kit. It’s only aftermarket rims and tires. I do have Firestone airbags. I can’t recommend the gooseneck set up enough. It changes the game!
@@PawsForLoveWhat size rims and tires? I just got a 2024 F350 DRW and want to raise it a little without altering the towing capabilities of the truck. I like how your truck looks and you seem to be happy with your set up.
Better quality ride definitely more bed. Space absolutely love it.❤
Yes and yes! 🙌
I believe Gen Y also makes a 5" offset ball if you need more room between truck and trailer. Also do you find it more difficult to hitch up or getting things lined up properly? Or is it a two person job, or if you have a bed view camera how does it go? I know with my traditional fifth wheel as you know is fairly simple to hitch. It does look like an awesome hitch though.
I believe they do as well! It was certainly an adjustment backing up, but it is now a one person job. It could go a little faster with 2 people. The reason is that the camera is good to line you up side-to-side, however it's hard to gauge your depth sometimes. After doing it a dozen times you definitely get a feel for where to stop though. I just do it myself now and it only takes about 5 minutes in total hooking up.
Thank you for your input, stay safe out there.
Thank you!
Are you towing with a standard bed truck? If so how is your turning radius?
We have an 8’ long bed with our F350 dually. I believe that’s the only way to go.
You are only going to tow a trailer that size with a longbox Duelly.
Anything else would be a very unsafe situation.
Hey!!! Nice hitch. You should try that first 1k miles on I-10 like we did.🤣
We actually asked about that! They did say that it can "help speed things up." Lol! Good 'ol I-10!
Hi guys, great video. Question, my wife and I are looking at getting an Alliance fifth wheel, upgrading from a travel trailer. Have you noticed any stability issues when towing with the gooseneck versus the fifth wheel hitch? I’ve heard the gooseneck hitches don’t provide as much stability, just curious if there’s anything truth to this? Like you, I’d prefer to use a gooseneck in order to keep my bed space.
This is a really great question. To be honest, we actually think the gooseneck setup feels more stable. It’s very hard to tell, and I would say it’s just a slight improvement. They are both very similar on that one metric.
Best of luck on the Alliance purchase! We have been so happy with ours and love meeting fellow Allies out on the road!
To put the truth out there about Kingpin VS Gooseneck! Safety Chains are not used with Kingpins for a couple reasons 1. They can get caught in the work's of everything. 2 its not a Ball connection so the law says Not Required!
On the Gooseneck 1. the chains are required only because of the laws just like Seatbelts are LAW. 2. once a Gooseneck is secured it separating is far less likely than a Kingpin. How many Semis or Kingpin Fifth wheel camper's have separated compared to A Gooseneck? Almost "0". You get out around farms and the Midwest The Gooseneck is used to pull extremely valuable LIVE cargo! I just pulled a 19k Fifth Wheel camper around the country with a 20k Reese Goosebox it was the Best decision I ever made! Rode nice was easier on the truck and trailer! Yes by law I had to connect chains not that big a inconvenience. I reversed them to make it easier to connect. And The Reese is the only Goosebox that doesn't void the warranty on the camper. And it has a Air ride built into it. Over 18k miles pulling with it through the Rockies and passes in Utah without any issues. Once the ball is locked in its in! No pull test needed to make sure its locked! People play games and pull the pin when parked with kingpins causing you to drop the trailer. Yes it happens in truck Stops especially. I can put a padlock on the Goosebox if i feel the need. Don't believe all The myths out there to decide, use the facts, common sense, no not all laws are written correctly some were broad that carry over to things like a gooseneck. Want to fix that law say something or live with it....
I’m wanting to put one on our Montana when it comes in but they say Keystone hasn’t approved it yet. So no frame warranty.
It’s a game changer for sure! But also understand the frame issue warranty.
Good morning, loved your videos, my question is how do you feel about the gen-y performance now that you have some towing time on it ?? Thanks 😊
Hello George! Thank you so much. We are so grateful that you enjoy them! I'd say that we have over 20,000 miles towing on the Gen-Y Gooseneck now... and it's safe to say that it's amazing! I don't know how, but it seems to tow better and better every time we use it. Getting used to backing up took a few tries, but I'll never tow a fifth wheel set up again. I highly recommend!
Does that camper have a lippert frame? From what I've heard the manufacturer doesn't consider the Gen y gooseneck to be compatible cuz it could damage the frame but that's just what I've heard.
Great question! This Valor does have a Lippert frame. Technically speaking, it does void the frame warranty. I’m talking with Gen-Y before we did this conversion, they assured us at they have had no known issues with Lippert frames. That gave me enough confidence to go with this unit knowing the pros vs cons.
@@PawsForLove I got ya. Out of curiosity why not go with the reese option that is certified compatible?
At the time, it wasn’t offered for the Rhino box. Even with the Gen3 one that is out now, I don’t want an airbag to maintain. I would still personally go this route again with the Gen-Y setup.
How many miles have you gone now and how is that gooseneck performing??
Will this stop the chucking. I’m up against my payload weight on my Grand Design 150 series towing with a Tundra. I do bottom out on bridges sometimes.
I believe that it will. It did on ours at least.
@@PawsForLove are you pulling with a half ton?
@mikegarrison3740 We have an F350 dually, which is the truck in the video.
The Myths out there is probably why i haven't been able to sell my 5R with a 20k Goosebox. People are either afraid or indifferent not understanding its a superior connection. Ive offered to put a regular box on and keep the $2600 Goosebox for the future but i think most think ever having a Goosebox made it less valuable??? I know makes no sense but one day ill find a buyer that understands.
Could I get details on the tow rig? Lift wheels tires Accesories? And thoughts of what you like/dislike about it! Thanks
Of course! It’s a 2019 Ford F350 DRW Platinum. I absolutely love it. We ended up putting the Fuel Blitz rims on it with BFG All Terrain tires.
Are you in a short bed dually and if so can you achieve a 90 degree turn obviously with rv connected.
We are in the Long Bed (8’) and we can definitely get a full 90 turn in.
Hey, great video but a quick question it looks like your Ford is obviously a Dooley but it looks like it's a short box. What's the length of your box on your Ford? And do you find that the Gen Y hitch allows you to get close to 90 degrees or did you have to get the gen y extension to push the ball back further in the bed?
Hey there! Our bed is actually an 8’ long bed. We didn’t need an extension since it’s the long bed version.
I have missed seeing you! 🥰
We missed you too, Margie!
Curious what options you have for changing the height to make your trailer level using this type hitch. I have the B&W 25K fifth wheel hutch and it has some adjustment up and down for height. I am curious if you had any issues when you switched over. Is your F350 4WD? I hear there are balls that are taller in case you are low in the front and need to raise the height
This is a really good question! At the end of the day, the way to adjust height on this is to adjust which holes you're using in the pinbox. I feel that overall, I'd assume this will work on almost every truck and you'll have plenty of clearance between the bed and RV. Our F350 is 4WD. Personally, I'd really like to level our truck with the 2" spacer in the front, but it's hard to justify the expense!
Is the Gen Y pinbox shorter than the OEM pinbox? It looks like it might be.
So is that on a short bed or long bed? Will it work on short bed?
We have an 8’ bed. I believe this will still work on a short bed, but you could run it into the cab. The slider hitches help fix that problem when using a fifth wheel style connection.
Did you look at Reese Goosebox as well? Or any other hitches before choosing the Gen Y?
Yes we did! We didn’t want to maintain an airbag, and at the time of us getting the Gen-Y, there wasn’t a Reese available for our RhinoBox. The Gen 3 from Reese would work, but we would still choose Gen-Y if we did it all over again.
I have a 2022 Ford F-350 with the puck system installed can I pull my fifth wheel out and just drop a ball in?
Yes sir! That’s exactly what you can do. The middle hole is the one for the ball.
@@PawsForLove, I bought the truck with the hitch in and have never pulled it out so I had no idea...Thanks!
is the mileage difference because you are not in and out of the throttle when the trailer would bounce with the old hitch?
That’s a great question. From what I understand, that is correct. It’s more “connected” to the physics of the truck and it’s also not bouncing around as much because the pin box essentially has some built in suspension with the TorsionFlex technology behind Gen-Y.
5th wheel hitch take up room but don't require safety changes. Gooseneck and bumper pulls do.
During your research, did you compare the Gen-Y to the Reece Gooseneck? Many say that the Reece Gooseneck is the only one that won’t void the Lippert frame warranty?? I want to go to this type of pin box when I get my new truck so I’m curious as to why you picked this one over any other gooseneck type options.
Great question, Mike! Yes, we did look at the Reese gooseneck. Ultimately, I didn’t want an airbag to maintain, which is what swayed us to Gen-Y. You are definitely correct about the Lippert frame warranty with Gen-Y though. When we spoke to Gen-Y about this, they had said that out of thousands of units, they haven’t had a single frame issue. For us, that was enough to trust it. However, it’s understandable if that’s a deal breaker and pushes you to the Reese.
@@PawsForLove I like the way you think. When he explained that there’s no maintenance to be done at all on the Gen-Y it sure got my attention. One of the main complaints I’ve heard from people using the Reece is about the airbag that requires frequent inflation & adjustment. I’m not sure why Lippert hasn’t approved the use of the Gen-Y on their frames but I think the numbers speak for themselves if no one has reported any issues so far. Thanks for the quick reply 👍🏻
@@PAWS4U You're absolutely right! The airbag was a deal breaker for us for that exact reason.
Can use this system with a short bed
Hi Mike, I believe that it can!
Airbags can blow out and the rubber torsion blocks wear out with time
Greetings! I'm actually doing the very same research right now for our rig. I have to admit that my focus is not really on freeing up the bed of my truck, it's more around ease of hitching and smoothing out the ride. The question that I have, that I've not seen addressed anywhere, is how is the side to side flex? The up/down is handled by the torsion bars, but what about side to side? Thanks for the great video! It was very informative and good to see the ease of the switch out. Safe travels!
This is a GREAT question! Until you pointed out that it’s not been addressed anywhere, I hadn’t realized that. Such a great point! After reading your comment, I reached out to Jason at Gen-Y. He is the gentleman in the video that walks us through all the information. He first pointed out that when the fifth-wheel does move side to side, it will pivot on the ball, which means that it doesn’t technically compress the rubber (Torsion Flex) as much. But figuratively speaking, if the coupler was “solid mounted” on to something, and not on a ball or something that pivots, he assured me that there would be some “flex” to the rubber and would provide you with some level of benefit. Let me know if that answered your question or if there is anything else I could help with. - Sean
First, thank you so much for the reply! My question originates from thinking about what happens when I go offroad for some boondocking. There have been a couple of times that the drop off from the paved road to the side road had to be taken at a little bit of an angle. My Reese 5th wheel hitch pivots side to side which provides enough flex that I don’t worry much…I still take it nice and slow, but the flex is there. That’s why I was wondering about the gooseneck side to side flex. It makes sense that within the hitch to ball connection that there would be some give, just wasn’t sure how far that would go. I hope this makes sense! Thanks again for your reply, I’m looking forward to hearing about your overall impressions of the GenY hitch!
Well... not knocking it, but i have a question to anyone: Are the benefits worth the hassle of climbing in and out of the bed for the safety chains?? Also, once you get under, if you put the gate up, don't get in a rush and frustrated because your ball isn't lined up and pull out.
It is approved for use on LCI frames? (without voiding a frame warranty) ...I know the Reese Goose box is. That's why I went with it.
Hi there! At this point and time, it technically does void the Lippert frame warranty.
Do you have a long bed truck?
Hi there! We have an 8’ truck bed.
We haven’t traded in our TT for a 5th wheel yet but are in the market. A while back there was information out there that said if you swap out to a gooseneck, it would void the trailers manufacturers warranty. Do you know if there’s any truth to that?
This is definitely true. It does void the frame warranty. However, they have had zero known issues up to this point.
I just wish it was as long at least, or longer than the OEM pinbox
I totally understand!
Does it void your frame warranty? The Reese goosebox does not. Thanks
Hey Alex! Technically it does void the Lippert Frame warranty at this point in time. However, there have been zero documented incidents thus far. Additionally, Reese doesn’t make a pin box for the Rhinobox setup that we have on our Valor at this point in time.
@@PawsForLove Reese does make a hitch for the Rhino Box. The part number is 94920, supported by Lippert. We just purchased one and will be having it installed soon as our trailer is currently at the dealer for warranty work.
The older gen 1 & 2 Reese Goose boxes did not fit the Rhino mount but with a slight modification to 4 of the bolt holes it would work. All that needed to be done was to slot these holes 3/8" towards the front of the hitch and the hitch would bolt up.
Bob
That’s great to know! Thanks for the information on that.
Did you fuel mileage get better
We have noticed about a 1 MPG increase in fuel mileage on our end.
Gen y makes nice stuff
They sure do!
Would this work on a truck that is lifted. I added a 2 inch lift to my fifth wheel trailer but my trailer is still not level. My truck only has a 3 inch lift. I tried a andersen hitch but it put my trailer to high in the front.trailer
That’s a great question! I’ve actually been wanting to do the 4.5” Carli lift on our F350. I haven’t found any research yet that indicates we can or cannot use this setup. I know it’s not an answer, but I’m researching as well right now. More to come!
What happened to the followup review? Did she leave you for a Gen-X?
We haven’t filmed a follow up video to this point.
Does this hitch void your rigs frame warranty ?
Technically, at this point it does. However, there have been zero incidents recorded of any frame issues.
What ball setup is on your truck
We have the Curt ball
How much did it cost
Roughly, $1,600 just depending on what your sales tax rate would be.
Is it difficult to unhitch? I saw another user post a video where he said unhitching was a two-person task
Not at all! The auto-latch on this is a piece of cake. It is only a one person job.
Why such a rough ride in the first 500 to 1000 miles?
I believe it’s just the break in period due to the torsion flex rubber bushings being used for the first few times. It wasn’t really that bad though.
??? Y would you place all of that pin weight on such a small focused area. I see you have the ford factory 5th wheel “puck” system in the bed. It allows for better weight distribution on the truck frame.
These trucks are set up to carry very heavy gooseneck loads. Have you ever seen the “hotshot” setups that are hauling 3-4 cars? That pin weight is much higher than our Fifth Wheel.
We were considering this hitch but have been made aware that this will void your rigs warranty?
So it doesn’t void the overall warranty. At this point it will void the Lippert frame warranty, however, they have had zero reported incidents since this product has been introduced. We were told that when we toured the factory.
easy to hookup = easy to steal. How do you secure a gooseneck? 5th wheel trailers have kingpin locks, which work pretty well.
Great point and question. Gen-Y makes a lock for the pinbox and we use that. Here is a link to what we use: genyhitch.com/product/auto-latch-gooseneck-coupler-lock/?attribute_pa_receiver-size=auto-latch-coupler-lock&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgribBhDkARIsAASA5bskjTrpUuptWW6P-A_E1DAYESi1c0oLvXRkaoPxmklBaDzgqgVEIeAaAqQDEALw_wcB
Cost
It depends on your configuration, but it’s typically less than having to buy a new fifth wheel hitch.
4:59 - glitch in the matrix
Not sure what you mean?
@@PawsForLove - There's a scene in the matrix: ruclips.net/video/z_KmNZNT5xw/видео.html In your video, the girls in the background @ 4:59... ahhh never mind. Thanks for the vid, just the same. I'm considering a gooseneck conversion and your video was helpful.
It's a Wolf Pack!!!
Woof!
It's the law because of the semi's and the people lobbying for them. There is no other reason that you need one.
Good to know!
Since when do semis use chains with coupling a trailer? The reason is legit in the name “safety” chains. Just like on a bumper pull, it’s in case the trailer comes uncoupled and doesn’t fly off into traffic.
Gooseneck need chains, 5th wheel doesn’t
I purchased and tried the gen-y , a disappointing product , the ride was so bad my wife couldn’t stand to ride in the cab .
I’m sorry to hear that Wayne! What is your rig setup? Did you get it past the 1,000 mile break in period?
That's a lot of $$
Depending on your perspective, but having the right tools for your RV is very important.
Better mileage? Yeah, sure.
We experienced about a 2 mpg increase with this unit.
Those welds look like boogers.
😂