I'm the only person in the world to have solved this film, I discover things humans don't, and I applied my skills to this film and solved it. Most people believe that the real estate agent covered the crimes to maintain the buildings reputation. That's a good guess, but what I found blows that out of the water, so much so that that great guess isn't even a possibility. I'm trying to find someone who will buy my findings so who knows when this will get out to the world.
@@Americansikkunt That type will be anything or do anything to elevate themselves above you , it'a a power play not a conviction , that was part of the message of the movie , like that way to "sophistication" through consumption
@@mirko1989 what’s the difference between REAL SJWs? They both virtue signal for status points…. They both don’t really care or have stakes in whatever they pretend to….
His routine reminds me of some of these ASMR overconsumption influencers with 20 types of each skin care product perfectly organized in drawers. Or the people who move food from one container to another so their fridge can be aesthetic. This has aged like fine wine.
Yeah even working class people act like that these days due to social media. They'll try to hide all flaws (unless they're trendy), post pictures of unusual/expensive products they own to look cool and loudly declare their support of causes they couldn't give a shit about. I really hate the modern world.
My fav chapter in the book is when he goes on a beach side vacation with his girlfriend. Pages of beautifully written descriptions of the beauty of the sky and ocean. Wonderful words about his romance with his girl. The chapter ends with Patrick walking the beach alone and he decides to eat a dead jellyfish. Sums up the whole book.
Yeah he's actually a lot sweeter, and generally more likeable(when he's not murdering something) in the book. He buys her a dog as a present while they're on vacation...and later kills it lol.
Bateman gets emotional when talking about Whitney Houston as he identifies "The Greatest Love Of All" being about his own lonely narcissisim. The movie is endlessly rewatchable, every scene is a banger.
19:24 And when the rich tourist class seeks the most real, gritty, authentic back area, they're shocked when it's not civilized and horrified when there's real danger. e.g. Everest mountain climbing should never offer any real danger. Those are fake corpses, right? The darkest pits of the backstreets at night should be charming and exhilarating, never dangerous or deadly. Nothing bad can happen in this experimental submarine that visits the Titanic, it's an experience of a lifetime!
@@m420-nd1ifI get your sentiment, but saying that backstreets simply are not dangerous in most countries is objectively untrue. Backstreets can be somewhat identified as arteries for local gangs to traffic or pedal their goods. I have been in unlit backstreets where stabbings and murders have previously occurred in western countries, and have been stalked, and threatened in them as well. Have also walked past backstreets in India where visible child slavery rings have been displaying their wares. Chains and all. To be fair the idea that backstreets are only for evil doing is also false, as they are used by everyone, especially those from lower socio economic classes. It's not exclusively one or the other, however it's easy to imagine that they can be viewed through an "exhilarating" lens by the cloistered upper class
It's almost like heisenberg's uncertainity principle, one can either determine the position or momentum of a particle, but never both. When the position is determined the momentum changes and vice versa, both mutually exclusive.
The thing about learning and understanding the world is it is a constant process. You don't just understand something - you can understand it more and more, the deeper you dive in it.
Bateman acting up feels like Neo waking up in the capsule, and at the moment he tries to reach for the membrane he just wakes up back in the matrix emptier, more unhinged and increasingly nihilistic. That was a picture of Cosette above his toilet wasn’t it?
Another amazing analysis. Huge fan of American Psycho and I think it keeps aging like fine wine. While it could often be considered bizarre, funny and over the top back when it came out, it grows more and more real and frightening as time goes by.
I just watched this movie this past weekend, and I’m throughly confused why the “Alpha” or “Sigma” men’s movement insist on using Patrick Bateman as their idol. Patrick Bateman is one of the most insecure characters I’ve seen. He literally tells his fiancé, “I want to fit in!!!” when she correctly points out that he hates his job and the people he works with. The fact that Bateman losses his sh!t when another coworker’s card is better than his just adds to the insecurity that festers inside Patrick Bateman.
He's a real cool guy and he's a hero of mine Travis, Rhinehart, rolled into one cute son Less than zero, a grotesque nightmare Subtly disturbing like normal behaviour
@@curiositycloset2359 How? The whole idea of these “alpha” or “sigma” bros is that they don’t follow anyone and f**k those who conform. Yet, they idolize Patrick Bateman, a guy who does nothing but follow trends for no reason other than they are popular. He literally admits to his fiancé, “I want to fit in”. Further proving that money doesn’t solve the issue of a severe lack of character.
Because, they share his insecurities. He, like them, wants to fit in, wants to be successful, want to be PERCEIVED as being successful and part of the in-group, even if he doesn't actually share the in-group's values. They're all a bunch of insecure children who think they're wearing the mask of an authoritative, powerful individual who can surf the waves of culture and social acceptability while also thinking they're better than everyone else under the mask.
American Psycho: to this day the only book I've ever bought (out of 400+) that came wrapped in plastic, denying any would-be reader a sneak peak before purchase.
Ηey, peanut butter soup with smoked duck sounds awesome! And what's wrong with salmon, raspberry and guacamole? The point is not that the food is garbage, but that it's needlessly curated and consumed by people who do not appreciate its finesse. Other than that, spot on!
Here’s my read. We spend our lives told that what is inside is what really matters. Inside Bateman is a psychopath but on the outside he isn’t. He doesn’t kill anyone. He supports charity. So really, is the surface more important? If that isn’t a comment on the 80s, what is?
no such thing as the conception of any abstractions that is the 'pathys' & any Personality disorder... especially the abstraction of 'Personality' itself.
The most disturbing point that I saw was that his punishment continually eluded him, even when he sought it, and it came down to his own identity being disrurbingly threatened, even before and after his deeds
I allways had this feeling that bale took inspiration from data from star trek. The way he speeks sounds very similur. Or the way he acts is like when data trys to hard to act human in the show. Very simular.
I actually disagree. I think this movie is deep enough to have multiple layers of meaning. For instance whether or not he killed anyone is an interesting and meaning question, but there is a deeper meaning as well that it actually doesnt matter if he did. The world doesnt care
Hey! At 2:47 it is the unforgettable late great Hungarian actor Péter Haumann! Had to check on this: the scene is from a 1977 Hungarian TV film "A bosszú" aka The Revenge which adapted one story from within the book Notes from Underground. Nice research for this v essay!
Bateman lacks the redemption that Raskolnikov experienced; perhaps the realization of his own inhumanity drives him to madness. He seems to hope that his crimes will make him stand out amid the nihilism of his Yuppie colleagues, yet he blends seamlessly into their corporate inhumanity. Bateman is somewhat aware of the absurdity of his situation, a clarity that emerges during his moments of mental breakdown. As he struggles to maintain the social mask he has worn for so long, the resulting tension ultimately drives him to madness.
I just finally watched this movie after hearing about it for so many years and it just hit me that he doesn't care about the art he just looks at himself in the picture and not the actual artwork 6:10
I think his taste in art and music are entirely performative. He likely believes having a passion for the arts makes him seem more human, so he's adopted it as a part of his mask.
This is a brilliant and insightful piece. I've always loved this movie, having seen it at the cinema in my youthful days, I read the book because I wanted to know more ( back then, I thought, I wanted to know the gory details, but know I realise I was looking for the meaning behind the book). So thank you for creating this x 💚 Loving your work Brother x
This movie taught me to just be yourself don’t worry/compare yourself to the status quo, check your ego bc your ego will try to make you compare yourself to others to make yourself feel superior or inferior
Probably the best video of yours ive seen. Im also a big fan of notes from underground but although ive seen the film and read the book of american psycho I never quite managed to marry the two together. Really good example and i think the intro from notes from underground are useful here where Dostoyevski says that the underground man is a necessary output of the social system that exists. You also use the word hyperreal which i take as you tipping your hat to the work of Baudrillard who argues that the mass production society encourages people to live what is nearly all a simulation of what might be considered a real life. That the original, true ground of what is aimed at is replaced in peoples minds with a particularly attractive map. The classic example is doing things in your spare time that make you look happy and fulfilled when you post them on social media but which are actually boring or miserable when you actually do them. Or living in a house that LOOKS cosy and twee in photographs from outside but which are cold and dismal to live in. As you noted in the video, the aim of marketing is not to teach people what to want, but how to want.
I thought the real estate agent at the end was his handler. I’m thinking that his father knew how his son Patrick was. Patrick was his sole heir. I think the old man figured his son only deletes insignificant people and lowlifes. He assigned certain individuals to keep Patrick from totally crashing out thus bringing down the Bateman empire with him. Just my opinion.
I suspect there's no definitive answer, that the author intentionally made the resolution-or lack thereof-ambiguous, to leave us adrift, mirroring Patrick's state of mind at the conclusion. You can put forward compelling arguments both for and against the veracity of Patrick's murderous acts, but ultimately, this will lead you nowhere because all we are made privy to is events from the perspective of an unreliable narrator.
Regarding mass society, the book the tourist is mentioned where the disconnect between what's inside and the outer expereince is highlighted. In the american psycho, bateman also says in some scene, "the inside doesn't matter", could be a hint maybe :)
I always think of US being such a privileged society that just run into driving the world at it's feet. It's like children who don' even realize that they are the peak rich people of the poverty class that run on the suffering of the dominated countries but live into such a poverty that question even poverty patterns into itself and don't see the REAL poverty and desperation of the general population of the world.
Countries suffering are their own faults. Several poor countries have resources but consistently allow themselves to be sold some versions of equity for all.
Great video! ..TEXT MENTIONED include, -FYODOR DOSTOEVSKY: CRIME and PUNISHMENT -Nikolai Chernyshevsky: What Is to Be Done? - THE TOURIST by DEAN MACCANNELL.. A NEW THEORY OF THE LEISURE CLASS WITH A NEW INTRODUCTION - Notes from underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky -AMERICAN PYCHO BY BRETT EASTON ELLIS
What so great about this is that it depicts the number one misconception about narcissism so accurately.... that he "simply is not there" Most people think narcissism is having a huge ego and being self obsessed. While it does appear this way on the outside, what's really going on internally is a lack of a true self entirely. These people essentially got stuck in their psychological development somewhere around the age of 3, maybe a little higher, and never build a healthy sense of who they are. This leaves them constantly trying to fill the void with external feedback, otherwise known as narcissistic supply. When this coincides with psychopathy, you get something like a Patrick Bateman. Truly terrifying! Sadly, we actually promote these people in this society, both in business and government. The rate of mental illness in positions of power is almost an order of magnitude higher than in the general population. We need to form something like a Turing test for these conditions and have some way to keep them out of power... Potentially, we could use language model AI because language is the best window into their minds. This will be tricky, as there will obviously be resistance from those who already wield such power, but we must find a way! They're already causing so much damage to society, people, the planet, and just life in general.
@Nylon_riot while I did really enjoy that show, I can't remember a whole ton about it... I think it was more focused on psychopathic traits than narcissistic ones. In the case of narcissism, it's something created at a very young age by an abusive parent, often the mother. They essentially rob the child of having any chance of developing a healthy self image. It's actually quite sad when you think about it. Being a true narcissist would be incredibly painful. While it isn't really possible to empathize with them (as normal people can't really even imagine this condition in any real way), I think we should still sympathize and think strategically how to integrate them into society. In the right situation, they can actually be good people in many regards. I think professor Sam Vaknin is a great example of this. He has revolutionized the study of narcissism while being a "recovered" one himself. Watch him in interviews and it's quite interesting to know his past and see just how well he's adapted
I read the book fairly recently (That was an experience) and it definitely affected how I look at the film. One thing that stuck out to me was book Patrick’s commentary on people not understanding him. Failing to “capture his essence” as he says at one point. Movie Patrick’s 2nd plea to his lawyer feels like a desperate desire to be seen, which of course doesn’t happen and he’s left with the knowledge that he could do all these atrocious acts, announce it, but have no one really bring him to task. Therefore, meaningless.
The novel explores the complexities of status, wealth, revolution against materialistic show of wealth, etc. but ultimately it explored how human circumstances beyond control influence their paths, lives and their abilities to change/grow/be redeemed in the eyes of society. Those who have means to change and grow choose not to or don't want to as there is no benefit to losing their status/power. Superficiality of the wealthy doesn't matter if they benefit directly from it. Just like the Yuppies.
Dostoyevsky's frequently hilarious, yeah. He's brilliant at portraying people being nuts and takes a lot of (acknowledged) inspiration from the also very funny Gogol.
"Cuz the underground man don't think like the rest of society. Erry body else is just fumble-fucking their way through life and never asking the big questions. But for our boy, dat shit's the Dank. And if that's the way you wanna roll, you gotta open your eyes so wide to the world around you that it hurts. If you can do that, you're playing a whole other game, B. Dat pain when you're beefin' with reality and git yo shit wrecked creates consciousness." -THUG NOTES
The yuppie montage has a digitally placed photo of Ronald Reagan inserted - it is not in the original footage. In addition, although It may be easy to conflate Reagan's limited government philosophy with emerging neocon psychopathy - they were quite distinct from one another.
@@stefanjohnsson5661 One of them wants limited government and the other wants endless expansionist government and total power over the individual. The first neocons larped as conservatives, now they larp as liberals. I am kind of stunned you don't know this.
@@rahkuaschountI didn’t say there wasn’t a difference. I would argue that Reaganomics was the beginning of the Christian right and the trickel down economy that conservatives use to get poor people to vote against their own interests.
@@stefanjohnsson5661 What you are describing is called the Deep State or the "blob", and is now firmly entrenched in left-wing liberal politics. They're shapeshifters.
OH SNAP also a track off Information Society's iconic, cheeseball cyberpunk album, Think, is played in the club scene. Of course another track from that album, Mirrorshades (a personal favorite), starts with a half-spoken "Here are a few notes from the underground, load them at your pleasure." I was halfway through the first sentence when i realized what i was doing. Of course i can't resist spreading my unironic (if not un-alloyed) love of cheeseball cyberpunk and cyberpunk as a style or aesthetic, but i also can't skip a chance to bring it up as the foundation for a real philosophy, a new Cynicism. We were done a better deal by Gibson than they had been by Antisthenes. I'm not being referential enough to products and trivialities for this to actually be a joke, or to be an effective one. They looked over their shoulder for an 'exit' sign.
It's implied that Paul Allen was a member of Skull and Bones at Yale. When Patrick Bateman is questioned by the detective he says, "He was part of that Yale thing." Also Paul Allen has elite special access to certain places like Dorsia.
I think the comedy is that Patric is the good guy. Because he is the only one who is in touch with humanity. Yes he is insane but insanity is more human than the rest. He knows what he is doing is sick and wrong and confesses all of it with emotion but no one takes him seriusly because they are all degenerated out of touch ice cold zombies. In a world this sick Patric is the best you got, that is the comedy.
The food scene reminded me of the weird deconstruction that was Nouvelle cuisine. Raspberry coulis, reimagining and deconstructed a Philly roll. Thought he was poking on the ‘refinined to base ingredients’ that contemporary chefs were playing with. I’m surprise didn’t see a veloute chicken aspic.
Great call back! I'm surprised you didn't add a little George Price and Century of the self commentary. Next is fight Club, a modern re-imagination of Walden!
i was a huge fan of the book so when ive heard the movie was being made, i was skeptical. how were they gonna be able to adapt such a huge book? and who was going to play patrick? one of my favorite parts of the movies is the easter egg inside patrick's drawer, the "secret sketch book". those crude drawing are some of the scenes from the book that...lets just say im fine with them being left out. i mean, Palm Springs? yikes.... i was kind of disappointed the movie didnt include the 4-ways (at some point 6) phonecall where they are picking what club they were gonna go that night. that chapter was freaking delirious. another thing i didnt like was the chainsaw chase scene, always felt forced. the rest of the movie is just splendid
It was these insufferable champagne socialists that promoted this critique of Reaganism. While the movie and book are great, Ellis was one such champagne socialist.
The movie is a stinging indictment of Reaganism...and in the end, Reagan, many Reaganists, and Bateman get away with everything. #mergersAndAcquisitions
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Glad to see you getting sponsors, keep up the good work, Jared!
Consume. No ethical social commentary under capitalism, amirite?
Raycon, really? The lowest quality earphones you can get. Stay away from people who promote this crap.
I would only be seen with Sony equipment on my head. Nice, very nice.
I'm the only person in the world to have solved this film, I discover things humans don't, and I applied my skills to this film and solved it.
Most people believe that the real estate agent covered the crimes to maintain the buildings reputation.
That's a good guess, but what I found blows that out of the water, so much so that that great guess isn't even a possibility. I'm trying to find someone who will buy my findings so who knows when this will get out to the world.
That moral hygiene point is universal among finance bros , they will ruin 1000 families and then lecture a guy on a street for saying a slur .
And tankies!!!!
It's about the facade. The modern American way.
That confuses me. Were yuppies SJWs?
@@Americansikkunt That type will be anything or do anything to elevate themselves above you , it'a a power play not a conviction , that was part of the message of the movie , like that way to "sophistication" through consumption
@@mirko1989 what’s the difference between REAL SJWs?
They both virtue signal for status points….
They both don’t really care or have stakes in whatever they pretend to….
His routine reminds me of some of these ASMR overconsumption influencers with 20 types of each skin care product perfectly organized in drawers. Or the people who move food from one container to another so their fridge can be aesthetic. This has aged like fine wine.
Hey dont lump a dude with ocd who likes his groceries symmetrical in with all those guys
Morons of today are the laughing stock before even being born... as it has been from the beginning of times...
Yeah even working class people act like that these days due to social media. They'll try to hide all flaws (unless they're trendy), post pictures of unusual/expensive products they own to look cool and loudly declare their support of causes they couldn't give a shit about. I really hate the modern world.
@jrojala prohectung what exactly? A disorder i acknowledged having? Lol
My fav chapter in the book is when he goes on a beach side vacation with his girlfriend. Pages of beautifully written descriptions of the beauty of the sky and ocean. Wonderful words about his romance with his girl. The chapter ends with Patrick walking the beach alone and he decides to eat a dead jellyfish. Sums up the whole book.
part of the palm springs arc?
Yeah he's actually a lot sweeter, and generally more likeable(when he's not murdering something) in the book. He buys her a dog as a present while they're on vacation...and later kills it lol.
@misslayer999 sweet? You Just fell for the charade. There Is nothing inside Patrick
@@2st_duallist obviously it's a charade and not genuine. Duh. The point is that he played the part a lot better in the book.
@misslayer999 oh you meant the mask he wore was of a sweeter man than in the movie. Example?
Let’s see if Paul Allen finally understands American Psycho 24 years later.
Oh my god, he even has a watermark
we'll ask him when he comes back from london
@@2st_duallist😭😭😭😭
the fact that this movie has completely been co opted by the people its making fun of is legit the most perfect thing to happen to it
Same thing applies to the Matrix
just came down here to say how sad it is that a mirror is held up to them with truth and they till see only what their mind desires to see
I would like to watch this, but I can't. I have to return some videotapes!
I have to go to the dry cleaners to wash some sheets I accidently poured wine onto...🙄
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I’m waiting for Paul Allen’s analysis video.
@@gast9374 dont forget to re-wind!
remember to wash your hands while wearing gloves
Bateman gets emotional when talking about Whitney Houston as he identifies "The Greatest Love Of All" being about his own lonely narcissisim. The movie is endlessly rewatchable, every scene is a banger.
"The Greatest Love of All" was originally performed by George Benson for the film THE GREATEST, the Muhammad Ali biopic.
The call to the lawyer is some of the best acting out there.
19:24
And when the rich tourist class seeks the most real, gritty, authentic back area, they're shocked when it's not civilized and horrified when there's real danger.
e.g. Everest mountain climbing should never offer any real danger. Those are fake corpses, right?
The darkest pits of the backstreets at night should be charming and exhilarating, never dangerous or deadly.
Nothing bad can happen in this experimental submarine that visits the Titanic, it's an experience of a lifetime!
Backstreets are not dangerous in most countries.... that sounds american
@@m420-nd1ifI get your sentiment, but saying that backstreets simply are not dangerous in most countries is objectively untrue. Backstreets can be somewhat identified as arteries for local gangs to traffic or pedal their goods.
I have been in unlit backstreets where stabbings and murders have previously occurred in western countries, and have been stalked, and threatened in them as well. Have also walked past backstreets in India where visible child slavery rings have been displaying their wares. Chains and all.
To be fair the idea that backstreets are only for evil doing is also false, as they are used by everyone, especially those from lower socio economic classes.
It's not exclusively one or the other, however it's easy to imagine that they can be viewed through an "exhilarating" lens by the cloistered upper class
@@m420-nd1if Naivety or utter stupidity?
I personally think being turned into red toothpaste in a microsecond is an experience of a lifetime!
It's almost like heisenberg's uncertainity principle, one can either determine the position or momentum of a particle, but never both. When the position is determined the momentum changes and vice versa, both mutually exclusive.
Why did we all listen to Jared for all those years at Wisecrack when he didn't understand any film he's seen until recently smh?
He means he unlocked a new meaning
those title really seem a bit click-baity...
Cause he’s a god damn angel that’s why
The thing about learning and understanding the world is it is a constant process.
You don't just understand something - you can understand it more and more, the deeper you dive in it.
lmao
The advertising in the video really takes the message to another level lol
ikr
capitalism owns us all in the end
gotta keep the lights on. we're all slaves!!!!
Bateman acting up feels like Neo waking up in the capsule, and at the moment he tries to reach for the membrane he just wakes up back in the matrix emptier, more unhinged and increasingly nihilistic.
That was a picture of Cosette above his toilet wasn’t it?
Jared's takes on film and books are just a treat
the idea of a yuppie even knowing what hard work looks and feels like and being able to in fact work hard is the best joke of this entire segment.
Another amazing analysis. Huge fan of American Psycho and I think it keeps aging like fine wine. While it could often be considered bizarre, funny and over the top back when it came out, it grows more and more real and frightening as time goes by.
Our collective apathy keeps this film relevant generation to generation .
imagine a Glamorama series
I just watched this movie this past weekend, and I’m throughly confused why the “Alpha” or “Sigma” men’s movement insist on using Patrick Bateman as their idol. Patrick Bateman is one of the most insecure characters I’ve seen. He literally tells his fiancé, “I want to fit in!!!” when she correctly points out that he hates his job and the people he works with. The fact that Bateman losses his sh!t when another coworker’s card is better than his just adds to the insecurity that festers inside Patrick Bateman.
He's a real cool guy and he's a hero of mine
Travis, Rhinehart, rolled into one cute son
Less than zero, a grotesque nightmare
Subtly disturbing like normal behaviour
I think you're missing the point.
@@curiositycloset2359 How? The whole idea of these “alpha” or “sigma” bros is that they don’t follow anyone and f**k those who conform. Yet, they idolize Patrick Bateman, a guy who does nothing but follow trends for no reason other than they are popular. He literally admits to his fiancé, “I want to fit in”. Further proving that money doesn’t solve the issue of a severe lack of character.
Because, they share his insecurities. He, like them, wants to fit in, wants to be successful, want to be PERCEIVED as being successful and part of the in-group, even if he doesn't actually share the in-group's values.
They're all a bunch of insecure children who think they're wearing the mask of an authoritative, powerful individual who can surf the waves of culture and social acceptability while also thinking they're better than everyone else under the mask.
@@TheGoIsWin21 lol no.
He was reciting the music reviews verbatim
Holy shit that makes perfect sense, I never thought about that!
American Psycho: to this day the only book I've ever bought (out of 400+) that came wrapped in plastic, denying any would-be reader a sneak peak before purchase.
The way you describe things and back them up with sources and new talking points is truly incredible. Amazing video(s)!
Ηey, peanut butter soup with smoked duck sounds awesome! And what's wrong with salmon, raspberry and guacamole? The point is not that the food is garbage, but that it's needlessly curated and consumed by people who do not appreciate its finesse.
Other than that, spot on!
You should try the sea-urchin ceviche.
Agree with you. They are taking the dish for granted and only ordering them to appear refined.
I just caught the “mashed squash” for the first time 😂
So good to hear you speak about literature and philosophical takes again.
Here’s my read. We spend our lives told that what is inside is what really matters. Inside Bateman is a psychopath but on the outside he isn’t. He doesn’t kill anyone. He supports charity. So really, is the surface more important? If that isn’t a comment on the 80s, what is?
no such thing as the conception of any abstractions that is the 'pathys' & any Personality disorder... especially the abstraction of 'Personality' itself.
"i am simply not there"
Just found this channel less than a week ago and I’m becoming a big fan.
The most disturbing point that I saw was that his punishment continually eluded him, even when he sought it, and it came down to his own identity being disrurbingly threatened, even before and after his deeds
There should be a spiritual sequel starring an influencer who embodies the same kind of degeneracy as Bateman
My key takeaway from the novel: Evian. Evian water takes away any impurities from last night’s excess. Evian. Evian water.
Gotta love the naive water! 💦
Crazy just opened RUclips and was given a gift
I allways had this feeling that bale took inspiration from data from star trek. The way he speeks sounds very similur. Or the way he acts is like when data trys to hard to act human in the show. Very simular.
oh africa, brave africa- it was a laugh riot
The ad part was a good homage for the opening scene of American Psycho.
This movie is so misunderstood by its own audience it makes me question religions with canon scriptures
I actually disagree. I think this movie is deep enough to have multiple layers of meaning.
For instance whether or not he killed anyone is an interesting and meaning question, but there is a deeper meaning as well that it actually doesnt matter if he did. The world doesnt care
This is healthy questioning
@@trequor yes but I'm guessing what OP meant by "its own audience" is "guys who think bateman is cool"
@@synmad3638 I dont think those guys watched the movie or know the context of the Bateman memes.
@@synmad3638the "literally me" crowd.
Hey! At 2:47 it is the unforgettable late great Hungarian actor Péter Haumann! Had to check on this: the scene is from a 1977 Hungarian TV film "A bosszú" aka The Revenge which adapted one story from within the book Notes from Underground. Nice research for this v essay!
Yoo!! What Went Wrong podcast! I love them!! So glad to see some recognition for their work.
Bateman lacks the redemption that Raskolnikov experienced; perhaps the realization of his own inhumanity drives him to madness. He seems to hope that his crimes will make him stand out amid the nihilism of his Yuppie colleagues, yet he blends seamlessly into their corporate inhumanity. Bateman is somewhat aware of the absurdity of his situation, a clarity that emerges during his moments of mental breakdown. As he struggles to maintain the social mask he has worn for so long, the resulting tension ultimately drives him to madness.
'inhumanity' no such thing... you're too superficial.
This movie is so layered that 24 years later we're still finding new gems
I just finally watched this movie after hearing about it for so many years and it just hit me that he doesn't care about the art he just looks at himself in the picture and not the actual artwork 6:10
Yeah, his true passion is returning video tapes.
This is happening right now in California
And it’s Les Miserables!! Such great details
I think his taste in art and music are entirely performative. He likely believes having a passion for the arts makes him seem more human, so he's adopted it as a part of his mask.
In Bateman’s world nothing has intrinsic value, only instrumental value.
What I recall most about the book is pages of clothing description. It was so mind numbing I yearned for the violence
Outstanding, as always! This movie reminds me of Eliot's The Waste Land.
This feels much like old school wisecrack...I didn't realize how much I missed this...
NO No No just enough with the past was better BS
This is a brilliant and insightful piece. I've always loved this movie, having seen it at the cinema in my youthful days, I read the book because I wanted to know more ( back then, I thought, I wanted to know the gory details, but know I realise I was looking for the meaning behind the book).
So thank you for creating this x 💚
Loving your work Brother x
This movie taught me to just be yourself don’t worry/compare yourself to the status quo, check your ego bc your ego will try to make you compare yourself to others to make yourself feel superior or inferior
Such neat analysis. Thanks ❤
Sitting at a lakeside bench with your laptop and your dog. That’s all I need.
Probably the best video of yours ive seen. Im also a big fan of notes from underground but although ive seen the film and read the book of american psycho I never quite managed to marry the two together. Really good example and i think the intro from notes from underground are useful here where Dostoyevski says that the underground man is a necessary output of the social system that exists. You also use the word hyperreal which i take as you tipping your hat to the work of Baudrillard who argues that the mass production society encourages people to live what is nearly all a simulation of what might be considered a real life. That the original, true ground of what is aimed at is replaced in peoples minds with a particularly attractive map. The classic example is doing things in your spare time that make you look happy and fulfilled when you post them on social media but which are actually boring or miserable when you actually do them. Or living in a house that LOOKS cosy and twee in photographs from outside but which are cold and dismal to live in. As you noted in the video, the aim of marketing is not to teach people what to want, but how to want.
I thought the real estate agent at the end was his handler. I’m thinking that his father knew how his son Patrick was. Patrick was his sole heir. I think the old man figured his son only deletes insignificant people and lowlifes. He assigned certain individuals to keep Patrick from totally crashing out thus bringing down the Bateman empire with him. Just my opinion.
Hmmmmm, interesting. He's not the sole heir though, Sean from "the rules of attraction" is his little brother.
@@jakeshockley2735 Okay. ✅
I suspect there's no definitive answer, that the author intentionally made the resolution-or lack thereof-ambiguous, to leave us adrift, mirroring Patrick's state of mind at the conclusion.
You can put forward compelling arguments both for and against the veracity of Patrick's murderous acts, but ultimately, this will lead you nowhere because all we are made privy to is events from the perspective of an unreliable narrator.
Have the same though after watching.
Regarding mass society, the book the tourist is mentioned where the disconnect between what's inside and the outer expereince is highlighted. In the american psycho, bateman also says in some scene, "the inside doesn't matter", could be a hint maybe :)
Excellent breakdown, thank you.
I always think of US being such a privileged society that just run into driving the world at it's feet. It's like children who don' even realize that they are the peak rich people of the poverty class that run on the suffering of the dominated countries but live into such a poverty that question even poverty patterns into itself and don't see the REAL poverty and desperation of the general population of the world.
Countries suffering are their own faults. Several poor countries have resources but consistently allow themselves to be sold some versions of equity for all.
Your expression of thoughts renders them no less intelligible,
Hated him in shaft. Thats how good i felt he played his character.
Bret Easton Ellis indicated that Bateman emerged from his sense of dislocation in NYC.
Great video!
..TEXT MENTIONED include,
-FYODOR DOSTOEVSKY: CRIME and PUNISHMENT
-Nikolai Chernyshevsky:
What Is to Be Done?
- THE TOURIST by DEAN MACCANNELL.. A NEW THEORY OF THE LEISURE CLASS WITH A NEW INTRODUCTION
- Notes from underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
-AMERICAN PYCHO
BY BRETT EASTON ELLIS
What so great about this is that it depicts the number one misconception about narcissism so accurately.... that he "simply is not there"
Most people think narcissism is having a huge ego and being self obsessed.
While it does appear this way on the outside, what's really going on internally is a lack of a true self entirely.
These people essentially got stuck in their psychological development somewhere around the age of 3, maybe a little higher, and never build a healthy sense of who they are.
This leaves them constantly trying to fill the void with external feedback, otherwise known as narcissistic supply.
When this coincides with psychopathy, you get something like a Patrick Bateman.
Truly terrifying!
Sadly, we actually promote these people in this society, both in business and government.
The rate of mental illness in positions of power is almost an order of magnitude higher than in the general population.
We need to form something like a Turing test for these conditions and have some way to keep them out of power...
Potentially, we could use language model AI because language is the best window into their minds.
This will be tricky, as there will obviously be resistance from those who already wield such power, but we must find a way!
They're already causing so much damage to society, people, the planet, and just life in general.
The TV show Dexter is the perfect analogy for how narcissistists are created and operate.
@Nylon_riot while I did really enjoy that show, I can't remember a whole ton about it...
I think it was more focused on psychopathic traits than narcissistic ones.
In the case of narcissism, it's something created at a very young age by an abusive parent, often the mother.
They essentially rob the child of having any chance of developing a healthy self image.
It's actually quite sad when you think about it.
Being a true narcissist would be incredibly painful.
While it isn't really possible to empathize with them (as normal people can't really even imagine this condition in any real way), I think we should still sympathize and think strategically how to integrate them into society.
In the right situation, they can actually be good people in many regards.
I think professor Sam Vaknin is a great example of this.
He has revolutionized the study of narcissism while being a "recovered" one himself.
Watch him in interviews and it's quite interesting to know his past and see just how well he's adapted
One of the best RUclips comments, put it in the hall
Patrick didn’t kill Paul Allen, he killed a VP who was mistaken for Paul Allen but never corrected anyone.
lmao sheesh
Say whaaahhhh????
That’s deep
First time on your channel - this was a great breakdown. Good stuff, I'll be back.
I have had this on my mind lately a lot.
Great video to great need!
Great work on this one!
The detective never suspects patrick of any crime.
Very nice deep dive! Thank you for this!
I read the book fairly recently (That was an experience) and it definitely affected how I look at the film. One thing that stuck out to me was book Patrick’s commentary on people not understanding him. Failing to “capture his essence” as he says at one point. Movie Patrick’s 2nd plea to his lawyer feels like a desperate desire to be seen, which of course doesn’t happen and he’s left with the knowledge that he could do all these atrocious acts, announce it, but have no one really bring him to task. Therefore, meaningless.
Great vid. The ad read started to sound the Patrick’s morning routine. Great stuff. 🎉
6:14 was there a significance to his reflection over the picture from "Les Miserables"? Something like he was miserable inside?
Les Miserables is all over the place in the book. Probably homage.
The novel explores the complexities of status, wealth, revolution against materialistic show of wealth, etc. but ultimately it explored how human circumstances beyond control influence their paths, lives and their abilities to change/grow/be redeemed in the eyes of society. Those who have means to change and grow choose not to or don't want to as there is no benefit to losing their status/power. Superficiality of the wealthy doesn't matter if they benefit directly from it. Just like the Yuppies.
I always thought of this film as a smug apathetic rich man falling into schizophrenia.
just something I noticed recently-- in the scene at the end at the bar there is a bottle of knob creek bourbon. this came out in 1992
wasn't he lying about his father owning the company? he also said he was a CEO as she leaves this info on his answering machine
Dostoyevsky's frequently hilarious, yeah. He's brilliant at portraying people being nuts and takes a lot of (acknowledged) inspiration from the also very funny Gogol.
he plays a psychopath perfectly. be careful folks, theyre more common than you might think.
"Cuz the underground man don't think like the rest of society. Erry body else is just fumble-fucking their way through life and never asking the big questions. But for our boy, dat shit's the Dank. And if that's the way you wanna roll, you gotta open your eyes so wide to the world around you that it hurts. If you can do that, you're playing a whole other game, B. Dat pain when you're beefin' with reality and git yo shit wrecked creates consciousness." -THUG NOTES
Epically good series
@@blackedmirror5073 Modern Wisecrack would probably get a brain hemorrhage if somebody presented the concept of Thug Notes to them today.
@CountCocofang are you saying wisecrack is stupid now
@CountCocofang are you saying wisecrack is stupid now
@CountCocofang are you saying wisecrack is stupid now
It's crazy to think the movie "The Rules of Attraction" is a continuation of the Bateman family
Why is that "crazy"?
The yuppie montage has a digitally placed photo of Ronald Reagan inserted - it is not in the original footage. In addition, although It may be easy to conflate Reagan's limited government philosophy with emerging neocon psychopathy - they were quite distinct from one another.
How are they distinct for one another?
@@stefanjohnsson5661 One of them wants limited government and the other wants endless expansionist government and total power over the individual. The first neocons larped as conservatives, now they larp as liberals. I am kind of stunned you don't know this.
@@rahkuaschountI didn’t say there wasn’t a difference. I would argue that Reaganomics was the beginning of the Christian right and the trickel down economy that conservatives use to get poor people to vote against their own interests.
@@stefanjohnsson5661 What you are describing is called the Deep State or the "blob", and is now firmly entrenched in left-wing liberal politics. They're shapeshifters.
OH SNAP also a track off Information Society's iconic, cheeseball cyberpunk album, Think, is played in the club scene. Of course another track from that album, Mirrorshades (a personal favorite), starts with a half-spoken "Here are a few notes from the underground, load them at your pleasure." I was halfway through the first sentence when i realized what i was doing. Of course i can't resist spreading my unironic (if not un-alloyed) love of cheeseball cyberpunk and cyberpunk as a style or aesthetic, but i also can't skip a chance to bring it up as the foundation for a real philosophy, a new Cynicism. We were done a better deal by Gibson than they had been by Antisthenes. I'm not being referential enough to products and trivialities for this to actually be a joke, or to be an effective one. They looked over their shoulder for an 'exit' sign.
It's implied that Paul Allen was a member of Skull and Bones at Yale. When Patrick Bateman is questioned by the detective he says, "He was part of that Yale thing." Also Paul Allen has elite special access to certain places like Dorsia.
the Underground quote in the beginning is like a key to understanding the book.
After watching numerous video essays and rewatching american psycho 6 times under a week. I can safely say I havent missed anything.
I think the comedy is that Patric is the good guy. Because he is the only one who is in touch with humanity. Yes he is insane but insanity is more human than the rest. He knows what he is doing is sick and wrong and confesses all of it with emotion but no one takes him seriusly because they are all degenerated out of touch ice cold zombies. In a world this sick Patric is the best you got, that is the comedy.
He's in hell, that's why the other characters are worse than him and don't care he's a killer.
The food scene reminded me of the weird deconstruction that was Nouvelle cuisine. Raspberry coulis, reimagining and deconstructed a Philly roll. Thought he was poking on the ‘refinined to base ingredients’ that contemporary chefs were playing with. I’m surprise didn’t see a veloute chicken aspic.
I really love this new series of what most ppl missed. I’d love to see memento and machinist
Great call back! I'm surprised you didn't add a little George Price and Century of the self commentary.
Next is fight Club, a modern re-imagination of Walden!
how did i miss the absurd dishes? geez, i’m going to have to watch this (and read) again!
i was a huge fan of the book so when ive heard the movie was being made, i was skeptical. how were they gonna be able to adapt such a huge book? and who was going to play patrick? one of my favorite parts of the movies is the easter egg inside patrick's drawer, the "secret sketch book". those crude drawing are some of the scenes from the book that...lets just say im fine with them being left out. i mean, Palm Springs? yikes....
i was kind of disappointed the movie didnt include the 4-ways (at some point 6) phonecall where they are picking what club they were gonna go that night. that chapter was freaking delirious.
another thing i didnt like was the chainsaw chase scene, always felt forced.
the rest of the movie is just splendid
The chainsaw chase scene is pure fantasy though right? That's why it's so outlandish.
This is my favorite movie of all time
This has been a great series!
I had no idea the book opens with a quote from Dostoevsky, that's an excellent detail!
Sort of a "Crime Without Punishment" story.
Can you do a video analyzing the Chomsky-Foucault debate, and give your thoughts on their positions?
Still not sure I understand the movie but this was entertaining and gave me a lot to think about.
That’s a crazy detail about the food they were ordering and I just wrote it off as “rich people shit”
American Psycho reminds me of the Bob Slocum character from Joseph Heller's Something Happened.
It was these insufferable champagne socialists that promoted this critique of Reaganism. While the movie and book are great, Ellis was one such champagne socialist.
Absolutely true.
unreal analysis would love to hear more of your thoughts on the hyperreal in media
Love seeing you continue using pop culture and philosophy to better the world , Jared 🤘
Damn it Jared I believed you knew things years ago and now you gone and had a change of perspective!
I understood from the beginning. Bro is literally me
Keep calm and seek therapy.
The movie is a stinging indictment of Reaganism...and in the end, Reagan, many Reaganists, and Bateman get away with everything. #mergersAndAcquisitions
I finally understand this concept, thanks to you!
I just realized how much i’ve missed cinema podcasts from jared😢
But what is with all the video tapes he had to return?
I never made the connection between Dostoyevsky and this movie, even though I love both. Thank you!
Amazing essay! I have been wanting to read the book with this sense of criticality