Austin: "This isn't even backwards time travel" - Nick: "What if you could insert yourself based on that same trajectory into the past, and see how the situation of that would run through" - Austin: "WHAAAAAT.................. oh" - That was the sound of Nick assimilating Austin.
Yeah, time travel theory is kinda controversial. Some people love it, they find it so funny. However, others can't stand the amount of raw stupidity and nonsense Nick is spouting. Plus the beat is kinda hard to get into if you don't really like that style. And I'm pretty sure the entire point of it is that they had absolutely no fucking idea what they were doing when they made it.
But I think that "custom burger" is basically universally liked. P.S. Oh my god I now really want to work on a project where a group of fans songifies the best banter from all of the NLSS's and makes it into an album. That would be glorious (though it would probably take an incredibly long amount of time. Like forever, because of the rate that these are pumped out would mean that new songs would need to be created before the last one is even finished. A man can dream, though, can't he?)
To Nick's stuff in the beginning of the show, for the amount of shit he got it's a pretty well-known and thought about principle that had been thought to be considered plausible. Emphasis on HAD. Most of the scientific community has thrown this out entirely with the introduction of quantum mechanics, which decisively goes against this. Or more specifically, it has now been mathematically proven that it's literally impossible to know everything, and impossible to predict everything.
Nick’s ‘time travel’ theory is basically a version of a thought experiment by a French enlightenment era philosopher de La Mettrie. He imagined a ghost with the knowledge of positions and velocities of all bodies in the universe who, using calculus, as he knew it in the 18 century, could calculate all future positions of those bodies. His point was that the world is 100% deterministic and there’s no such thing as free will. Now we know that his ghost’s calculus is impossible because of Heisenberg’s principle: on the quantum level you can’t know both the velocity and the position
The reason everyone always does the "LOGICAL EXTREME" thing to NL is because logical extremes are his only arguing technique. I like NL a lot, or otherwise I wouldn't be here, but come on dawgg, you earn every "LOGICAL EXTREME" you get.
Im loving these shows with a new game in the middle. I think the show gets samey when the middle game is the same game over and over and over and over.
Nick's time travel theory has a major flaw, he does not know that electron movement is random and probability based, not predetermined. In a single moment, an electron can be anywhere in the universe, they just happen to spend most of their time closer to their atoms
You could describe the colour blue as light having a wavelength between 450-495 nm on the electromagnetic spectrum.... And if you were to contrive some kind of device that when receiving different wavelengths were to vibrate, then you could hand it to a blind person and they could wave it around to "experience" colour.
On the topic of ordering sandwiches without certain items, am I wrong for completely hating when I go to a place and ask for no mayo and no mustard (because I will take the pickles and onions off but it's hard to take off sauce) they respond with, "It doesn't come with mayo."? Like, honestly. I don't spend my time memorizing which places come with what sauce because place is different, so if I say I don't want something on it and it doesn't come on there to begin with, just say okay and go on. I don't know. Am I wrong here?
"I'll have a cheeseburger with no mayo." Yea you're pretty wrong. Also how hard it is to check whatever is in what you're ordering? You're eating that shit wtf
rod lopes It's not like they put on the menu what comes on it, and it's not that I don't remember what's on it, it's the fact that Burger king, Wendy's, and Hardee's all have a different combination of sauces.
Hasty Boots I mean it's come to a point where I will often say "no sauce" but then ask for ketchup, but even then they get confused and half the time still put mayo and/or mustard on it
I have never agreed with NL on anything as much as I do the fact that the alien walking by the birthday party in Signs is spooky as shit. I don't know what it is about that scene, but it actually spooked me more than almost every other scary movie I've seen.
I see what Nick is saying, he's just not very good at putting it in words. What he means is: suppose the universe is deterministic, and there exists a way to perfectly predict the events of the future (and also perfectly know the events of the past). Does this constitute a way of time travel? I would answer "kinda", since "travel" implies a physical change of place (or in this case, time) and under these circumstances your body isn't changing its position in time or space. Your mind, however, CAN (to a degree, since human minds aren't perfect simulation machines as far as I know) experience every point of history, so I'd say it's more like a type of omniscience.
We need Rock Band on the NLSS. The egg on vocals, Austin on Guitar, Nick on bass, and Rob on drums. It has to happen, and you have to make Ryan sing Hotel California, Livin' on a Prayer, and What's Up by 4 Non Blondes, and Duality.
Time travel would be moving through the fourth dimension, in the case of Nick's supposition it's a third-dimensional prediction on third dimensional events at a different point in the fourth dimension, however it involves only the predictions made in the third dimension since it is a physics-based theory.
NL os my favorite person ever. Has his priorities straight. The only thing im worried about is the Caps winning the Stanley Cup. Fuck the draft lottery.
Was just revising for quantum mechanics when I watched this. Surely nick's theory can't be true since QM essentially says any system is/can be described by a sum of solutions each has different probabilities of happening, therefore the outcome of any attempted measurements will be uncertain and there's no definite future one can predict.
i love when you guys talk dawn to nick like he's a high college freshmen, really it's pretty cool that he start's thinking deeply and you guys are like ya cool bro about the atoms and our relevance to the universe and that stupid shit but i have a story about buying burgers.
Nick's idea of knowing the beginning of everything and how it works and interacts is Laplace's demon an interesting theory but ultimately flawed due to several factors.
I think the reason both Nicks ideas, that there is nothing that separates us from the rocks and that a simulation of time travel with absolute information prediction, are wrong, is that there is no consideration of the information itself. Perception is not truly reality, because information absolutely exists, we only perceive that information in our own way, that immutably separates us from the rocks and the rocks from us. Additionally, simulated time travel cannot be true time travel because information will be supplied both from the true time and the simulated time creating an infinite loop of information that cannot feasibly be calculated.
So, Nick had some valid points with the time travel thing. The idea of a predictive software that could accurately calculate what will happen in the future, down to an almost quanta level is not unfounded. It would not be time travel as we see it, as NL points out, but it is not an impossibility. I think it would be more accurate to describe it as a sort of precognition but that is just semantics. We could theoretically get that level of prediction with big data but it would never be 100 % correct. The universe, at a quantum level (really, really small) is unpredictable. It would probably get no more accurate than we could make those predictions but again, big data may allow for more accuracy. As they point out: what would be the point? Why even look ahead when we have far more real issues to deal with?
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"And then just naturally by the laws of the universe, heat will flow from a cold area to a hot area"
basic thermodynamics
It's actually backwards :)
Austin: "This isn't even backwards time travel"
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Nick: "What if you could insert yourself based on that same trajectory into the past, and see how the situation of that would run through"
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Austin: "WHAAAAAT.................. oh"
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That was the sound of Nick assimilating Austin.
Well it’s dependent on whether the satisfaction of knowing would be enough
Austin is the only reasonable coherent logical human being on this fucking show.
Adaraks Yeah, I don't like it
Josh.
Adaraks And that says a lot, the grown man who refuses to do the dishes and eats off paper plates
yeah cause it's not like their playing characters...i feel like if you're looking for logical discussions you're in the wrong place man
Anyone who dislikes both onions and tomato is not reasonable.
You can go deeper anytime you want
chickenbeforeegg when daddy tells you to go deeper but you already run out of poems.
I was trying to sleep with this, but they keep me woke...
Lord Waffle Fox gaming is that a question?
its a pun dude.
you should use a question mark at the end of the sentence it would make more sense. :D ENGLISH MUDAFUKKA!!!
"That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of how long that trailer should have been" is the most Nick sentence
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil
The docket may or may not be great, but the banter is S+++++++++++
I think its fair to say that it was great
the time travel thing was the dumbest thing I have heard in my entire life though
Guy sure, it was dumb, but it was also hilarious.
Nick's "time travel" theory is called Laplace's Demon.
I feel Nick so hard. He's my girl in the sky with diamond eyes.
Nick had to be high, right? This is how I sound when I am high. Making no sense but thinking I am the smartest man who could ever exist.
Also, "double tomato protocol" is the greatest band name ever.
Uncle Flansy with their hit album "custom burger" including the hits "custom burger" and "time travel theory"
he sounds like this every stream and its the cringiest shit I cant stand it
Yeah, time travel theory is kinda controversial. Some people love it, they find it so funny. However, others can't stand the amount of raw stupidity and nonsense Nick is spouting. Plus the beat is kinda hard to get into if you don't really like that style. And I'm pretty sure the entire point of it is that they had absolutely no fucking idea what they were doing when they made it.
But I think that "custom burger" is basically universally liked.
P.S. Oh my god I now really want to work on a project where a group of fans songifies the best banter from all of the NLSS's and makes it into an album. That would be glorious (though it would probably take an incredibly long amount of time. Like forever, because of the rate that these are pumped out would mean that new songs would need to be created before the last one is even finished. A man can dream, though, can't he?)
Its not time travel because you aren't physically going somewhere in time, just knowing how things play out in time
Ocean man, take me to the land that you understand
Ocean Man i like bread?
take me by the hand
Ben Rivers lead me to the land
Man, that was a high, college freshman discussion at 3 am after eating a dozen tacos if I've ever heard one.
nick's "time travel" was actually just being an actual omnipresent god that sees all
have a time stamp for the theory??
10;30
Hello, I'm a time traveler. I need more quantum cigarette butts to help me win the lottery.
To Nick's stuff in the beginning of the show, for the amount of shit he got it's a pretty well-known and thought about principle that had been thought to be considered plausible.
Emphasis on HAD. Most of the scientific community has thrown this out entirely with the introduction of quantum mechanics, which decisively goes against this. Or more specifically, it has now been mathematically proven that it's literally impossible to know everything, and impossible to predict everything.
I laughed way too hard at NL calling the human esophagus an "H.R. Giger Tunnel".
We need to go deeper is so fun to watch you guys play, you should do a series or at least keep playing it on the NLSS.
S tier docket bois
Viola Skyes yeah and also with even more people
Giving 2 hearts for demon baby and brother bobby better than a chance of getting
godhead,sacred heart,holy mantle,guardian angel... Classic NL
basic algebra is apparantly number time travel, as it puts a number in a place to see what happens.
"I wish I will ever find something in my life I like as much as Baer loves Rocket League" - Northernlion
C A R E E R S U I C I D E
Bout to get rich af and mentally travel to my bank's vault.
Nick’s ‘time travel’ theory is basically a version of a thought experiment by a French enlightenment era philosopher de La Mettrie. He imagined a ghost with the knowledge of positions and velocities of all bodies in the universe who, using calculus, as he knew it in the 18 century, could calculate all future positions of those bodies. His point was that the world is 100% deterministic and there’s no such thing as free will.
Now we know that his ghost’s calculus is impossible because of Heisenberg’s principle: on the quantum level you can’t know both the velocity and the position
The reason everyone always does the "LOGICAL EXTREME" thing to NL is because logical extremes are his only arguing technique. I like NL a lot, or otherwise I wouldn't be here, but come on dawgg, you earn every "LOGICAL EXTREME" you get.
Are you people still referencing the EXTREMELY SMALL amount of nuggets you're able to consume?
Im loving these shows with a new game in the middle. I think the show gets samey when the middle game is the same game over and over and over and over.
I finally feel like someone else respects the opening game, middle game, ending game trichotomy.
Unpopular opinion: I really wanna see more of "We need to go deeper"
Ryan's contrary personality gives my life.
Please play more we need to go deeper it's so good
"Blindness is amazing." -Northernlion, 2017. This explains a lot about his Isaac play.
the 2nd segment was fucking hilarious. One of my favourite nlss games
Nick's time travel theory has a major flaw, he does not know that electron movement is random and probability based, not predetermined. In a single moment, an electron can be anywhere in the universe, they just happen to spend most of their time closer to their atoms
That NL hype but It's also 1:30
The struggle
actually the best
You could describe the colour blue as light having a wavelength between 450-495 nm on the electromagnetic spectrum....
And if you were to contrive some kind of device that when receiving different wavelengths were to vibrate, then you could hand it to a blind person and they could wave it around to "experience" colour.
Dude watching you guys playing we need to go deeper was awesome keep up the amazing work guys
In We Need To Go Deeper, they are all Ocean Men.
;)
On the topic of ordering sandwiches without certain items, am I wrong for completely hating when I go to a place and ask for no mayo and no mustard (because I will take the pickles and onions off but it's hard to take off sauce) they respond with, "It doesn't come with mayo."? Like, honestly. I don't spend my time memorizing which places come with what sauce because place is different, so if I say I don't want something on it and it doesn't come on there to begin with, just say okay and go on. I don't know. Am I wrong here?
"I'll have a cheeseburger with no mayo." Yea you're pretty wrong.
Also how hard it is to check whatever is in what you're ordering? You're eating that shit wtf
Bailey Whited You could also say, "I only want ketchup for my sauces" or just "I don't want any sauces"
rod lopes They said sandwich, not "cheeseburger".
rod lopes It's not like they put on the menu what comes on it, and it's not that I don't remember what's on it, it's the fact that Burger king, Wendy's, and Hardee's all have a different combination of sauces.
Hasty Boots I mean it's come to a point where I will often say "no sauce" but then ask for ketchup, but even then they get confused and half the time still put mayo and/or mustard on it
I'm straight crying about the T snake
Does Northernlion run the channel "I Hate Everything"?
What Nick was talking about was almost exactly what happens in Donnie Darko.
what song were they talking about in the start that was supper good 80s. I've had the tune stuck in my head all day but can't remember the name
I have never agreed with NL on anything as much as I do the fact that the alien walking by the birthday party in Signs is spooky as shit. I don't know what it is about that scene, but it actually spooked me more than almost every other scary movie I've seen.
For anyone who says the things on the overlay are turtles: You're wrong. They're actually demons from the innermost circle of hell.
Oh man, nick is great.
i feel like i am nick and everyone i ever talk to about philosophy is ryan and austin
The life is beautiful / It's a wonderful life conversation was amazing.
Nick. that's not time travel. That's Omni sentience.
I see what Nick is saying, he's just not very good at putting it in words. What he means is: suppose the universe is deterministic, and there exists a way to perfectly predict the events of the future (and also perfectly know the events of the past). Does this constitute a way of time travel?
I would answer "kinda", since "travel" implies a physical change of place (or in this case, time) and under these circumstances your body isn't changing its position in time or space. Your mind, however, CAN (to a degree, since human minds aren't perfect simulation machines as far as I know) experience every point of history, so I'd say it's more like a type of omniscience.
I feel like Nick's time travel theory is just like what is in Issac Asimov's Foundation series.
perfect thing to watch when u wake up in the middle of the night & cant fall back asleep 🥚
honestly who needs airplanes when we can just mental travel around the world
Damn I haven't seen any of the movies on that list until we hit number 50 lol
5:19 NL just mindfucked Nick with his own reasoning.
So... are we ever going to get that Factorio replacement? The NLSS crew series are my favorite part of the channel.
We need Rock Band on the NLSS. The egg on vocals, Austin on Guitar, Nick on bass, and Rob on drums. It has to happen, and you have to make Ryan sing Hotel California, Livin' on a Prayer, and What's Up by 4 Non Blondes, and Duality.
Time travel would be moving through the fourth dimension, in the case of Nick's supposition it's a third-dimensional prediction on third dimensional events at a different point in the fourth dimension, however it involves only the predictions made in the third dimension since it is a physics-based theory.
the woke knight rises
WNTGD was lit as hell. I'd love to see more of that.
Hey Nick, Issac Newton asked the same question regarding time travel, although he didn't call it time travel.
So those top 25 movies Baer listed in the third segment..... I have seen 3 of them.. not even kidding lol
if i didn't already love nick, i would smack him upside the head and tell him that he doesn't know what travel means
Wait, who is clapping backwards? Nek or Texas?
NL os my favorite person ever. Has his priorities straight. The only thing im worried about is the Caps winning the Stanley Cup. Fuck the draft lottery.
"I have higher standards for sci-fi".
Hahahahaha. If by that you mean you have lower standards, then yes, you do!
Was just revising for quantum mechanics when I watched this. Surely nick's theory can't be true since QM essentially says any system is/can be described by a sum of solutions each has different probabilities of happening, therefore the outcome of any attempted measurements will be uncertain and there's no definite future one can predict.
sleep is for the weak
Emanuel Perez for me, sleep is for the week 🎉
I am weak.
we will never rest till were all fucking dead
A bmth reference on an no video? It's more likely than you'd think.
when does the time travel bit start
What drugs was Nick doing and where can I buy some.
i love when you guys talk dawn to nick like he's a high college freshmen, really it's pretty cool that he start's thinking deeply and you guys are like ya cool bro about the atoms and our relevance to the universe and that stupid shit but i have a story about buying burgers.
there fixed rest easy.
Nick's idea of knowing the beginning of everything and how it works and interacts is Laplace's demon an interesting theory but ultimately flawed due to several factors.
Le Blanc you really don't need to get butthurt in his name. He was clearly not taking himself very seriously.
Me?
Le Blanc but they can always go deeper
Nick's definitely high as hell, but I do wish NL didn't hate art.
NL mentioned Artemis. You guys should play it!
Nick, not all atoms are the same. Our brain most likely doesn't contain something like Cesium or Plutonium.
Can Dan Ghessling ever be involved again???' Pls thx
Nick, about the time travel thing being information: You might enjoy Asimov's "The Dead Past"
Hold on. Does Nick think he came up with the idea of Minority Report?
I think the reason both Nicks ideas, that there is nothing that separates us from the rocks and that a simulation of time travel with absolute information prediction, are wrong, is that there is no consideration of the information itself. Perception is not truly reality, because information absolutely exists, we only perceive that information in our own way, that immutably separates us from the rocks and the rocks from us. Additionally, simulated time travel cannot be true time travel because information will be supplied both from the true time and the simulated time creating an infinite loop of information that cannot feasibly be calculated.
"Yeah but... yup." -Malf
i didnt like how easily they had dismissed nicks ideas. i feel like it could have been a good talking point
Does We Need To Go Deeper remind anyone else of the music video for Stroke god, millionaire by Dance Gavin Dance?
so its the science behind minortiy report?
okay, I missed it. What game are they talking about in the beginning where you can be anything
Condescending Pizza "Everything" is the games name. :)
i got a map of the world, did i go all over the world?
so nicks time travel idea is just the holodeck?
nl is so nice to arumba, fishing him out from under his bed
"Competing Wokeness"
You dotn play sonic anymore ?
So, Nick had some valid points with the time travel thing. The idea of a predictive software that could accurately calculate what will happen in the future, down to an almost quanta level is not unfounded. It would not be time travel as we see it, as NL points out, but it is not an impossibility. I think it would be more accurate to describe it as a sort of precognition but that is just semantics. We could theoretically get that level of prediction with big data but it would never be 100 % correct. The universe, at a quantum level (really, really small) is unpredictable. It would probably get no more accurate than we could make those predictions but again, big data may allow for more accuracy. As they point out: what would be the point? Why even look ahead when we have far more real issues to deal with?
except it's impossible to predict the future with 100% certainty because of the probabilistic nature of quantum interactions and motion.
WNTGD = S+ Tier
I think I get it. he means to ask if predicting the future is time travel, right?
When Spelunky?
"I fucking love pickles"
NL- 2K17
Man Nick is so INTELIGINT and forward thinking...
Nick is soo unintentionally funny.
The new overlay is both hideous and beautiful
That's a fuking Monkfish!
We Need To Go Deeper looks like weak ass Lovers In a Dangerous Spacetime
5:50 "heat will flow from a cold area to a hot area", please stick to biology egg
14 minutes in talking about time simulation and realized they mean video games