My opinion without evidence is that the cargo ship shown will be max or close to max length. And the mech ship show max height and width. Ship still has to fit on landing pad and the cargo ship seems to be close to max.
It probably wouldn't matter in the long run. If we can't make large ships at launch, modders will certainly add in an Eclipse Star Destroyer into the game.
Oh yes the eclipse start destroyer The day that one designer decided took so many drugs all at once that he decided giving a goatee to a starship was a good and reasonable idea.
What I’m hoping for is being able to make a smaller ship dock with a larger ship and being able to undock when you need the smaller size. For example, make a massive cargo ship and have a small ship detach for more defense. An actual carrier would be sweet though.
That is the best thing I read today. I was just wondering if you could craft docks from a long main ship and have other purpose ships docked onto the “port/starboard” sides or the top and bottom.
I mean we saw in the direct he docked with a private ship, killed everyone and then flew the ship with it docked to get it registered. So I don't see why you couldn't do it. IF you can't, seeing as the mechanic already exists in the game I'm sure a mod will come to enable it
Its funny how the ship size seems massive on one hand, but on the other it seems so extremely realistic comparing the human to the freight containers, the engines, etc. Makes you wonder how tiny ships in other games look, and how wrong that is (like in nms).
@goblo023 i did, ill only play Elite Dangerous (which as a lot of better things going than Star Citizen, but not ship) if they add ship interior that you can interact with, walk in while flying, get inside friends ship, etc. The fact its not like that ruins the experience for me. Im not a ship, im a human
@goblo023 yes starfield is what star citizen should be, but its solo player so its way easier to make and still took 7 years. So Star Citizen being what it is after 11 years makes me confident in the game future, and while it suck they proclaimed it'd take 2 years, who believed that..? Anyway, thanks for those who did, we would never have a game on the scale of SC if people didn't "fall for it"
@@shawndythomas2683While it looks fantastic, it's really 11 years for a glorified tech demo, a tech demo that spends most of it's resources making new ships to sell at ridiculous prices. I really wish it were good, and it began with good intentions but Chris Roberts realised he can make a fortune and never actually release a complete game.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we get some DLC that lets you build space stations. Wouldn’t be that different to the planet colonies you can make in the base game.
I'm hoping stealth systems and content that requires them are a thing in Starfield as I'd like to make a sneaky and fast little fighter as one of my ships for certain missions. Frontier - First Encounter (Elite 3) had recon and assassination missions that you could do for certain factions, and that game is nearly 30 years old. Bethesda seemed to have copied great ideas from other space games so I'm hoping this is in there too.
I'm hoping we can build ships using convex pieces, i.e. Millennium Falcon, classic 50's flying saucer, Planet Express ship etc, instead of just long rectangular/boxy types
The whole style of the game is NASA punk, maybe they would include a couple of fancier pieces as an Easter egg or something, but I wouldn’t could on it. It would really clash with the look and feel of the game
@@cowtowncaptain7649 if you look at the spaceship building engine then you can be sure to see ships designed as swatstickas, crosses, dildos, Homers, pacman and I don't know what. That kinda breaks the style too. Personally I'm going to see if I can make some spaceships representing Viking symbols and those sort of things. When modders had their hands of this, I'm sure we're going to see some absolutely crazy spaceships out there, but also some very offensive ones, and since it's a single player game I'm not sure they can do anything about it.
5:18 I hope we can attach smaller ships to bigger ones. And that this isn’t just an NPC ship that we can’t use. I also hope that we get ship parts that let us get nice smooth armor shapes like that big ship there. So that our ships don’t always look like independent modules fitted together. Though I do like the modularity, I just want the optional ability to cover it up. I really like the look of that big ship (as in not as modular) and I like those smaller ships on the sides (a lot more modular looking) which one I like more depends on how I’m feeling and I’d like the design options for both possibilities.
@@NixonMayHaveBeenOnToSomething I generally do. I was just stating hypotheses of what would be nice, but that I don’t actually expect them to do. With any new game, I try to only get excited for the bare minimum of the game mechanics shown. (Take what onscreen gameplay they showed, cut 60% out (generally the best stuff) and that is what I limit myself to getting excited for. Only what is guaranteed to be in the game. This lets me be pleasantly surprised, and still have fun with even bad games) Doesn’t stop me from getting really excited though.
My thoughts exactly. Capital ships clearly wouldn't be able to land on the smaller platforms. I suppose if you can build large capital ships it would make sense for them not to be able to land on planets and instead require a smaller craft for landing. That would be quite cool.
@@StateOfMind63 more often than not in sci-fi, capital ships don’t land at all. In fact, they never even come close to the atmosphere. The sheer force you need to support these behemoths against gravity is… realistically unachieveable. Instead, capital ships are basically a mobile base of operations/space port - they warp into a system, and then many, many small vessels dock with them. Say you have a giant battleship - it basically acts as a giant weapons platform with dozens of smaller fighters docked onto it. Or, a trading ship would warp into a port, only to be unloaded by smaller ships, their cargo spread to the sellers (this is how real ocean based cargo ships and battle ships work too of course, the ship docks in the port, and many many smaller trucks bring the cargo to where its needed to be)
@@wolfe1970 yea it is weird, especially when you consider how much easier construction in space must be for a capable civilization. No need for supports, scaffolding, cranes... just float the empire-states-sized building pieces around like megablocks and attach them together. Obvioulsy it's more complex than that, but the point is that zero-g makes building crazy big stuff much easier.
@@wolfe1970 also, pieces can be built on planet surface and then be shot into space to be attached to a construction that would otherwise be impossible to launch into space as a finished thing. Such as the real life ISS
My concern is not about making a ship massive, though that would be super cool and all, but rather worried about how functional each room or modual the ship has. For example, building a massive base in Minecraft often has a TON of wasted space that is not acutally usable unless you pile chests in the room. I am talking about the room doing something that makes the ship function or if the room gives some sort of bonus for traveling, etc.
Do you think you might be able to construct a ship which is left in a star port. A ship that never lands on terra firma. A HUGE shiplike ecosystem/trading port. That would be a good mod.
Essentially a station, i think they would have told us if we could build space stations, but who knows. If the game doesn’t refresh the local space say around Jemison then maybe maybe you can have a faux station.
This is what I was hoping for. It would allow the level designers to use a (relatively) smaller landing pad, while not limiting the player from making a massive warship.
Like an orbital space station. You could have external landing pads fitted with electromagnets, which would activate on the initial landing, to keep it in place while the docking process is completed - you could have guards posted in a command centre who would demand an entry code before docking is authorised, and if entry is denied you could have autoturrets pop up and gently tell them to fuck off - the possibilities could be endless..
I think ship customization will be limited by reactor output not size. Power allocation is a big component to how ships work in Starfield so it would make sense. As far as we know we can only have one reactor per ship with a set power limit. The reactors will probably be the most expensive items in the game as far as class and power output some will probably be worth more than an entire ship. Another factor could be the size of the landing port. My hope is their is no limit but restrictions like you reach a size where the only place you can dock the ship is the space yards making it only able to orbit planets. This would mean you can have smaller ship docked inside for landing or defenses. I also hope allies can fly in smaller ships or even take over the main ship during combat. Personally I'm going to try and make a bounty hunter ship or a smugglers
That's what modders are for. To break the limitations. In the start I will be playing without mods and go as long as I can without mods, but if there are things that annoy me, and modders have a solution for that, I will download those mods. In no man's sky the small backpack and spaceship inventories annoyed me, so those were some of the first mods I downloaded. I prefer fun over reality when playing, and constant inventory management is not fun in my book, so near Unlimited inventory mods are probably some of the first I download as well in SF.
One cool thing they could do, is have ground-based ship yards, where you can build a ship up to some standard port size. Then also have separate orbital ship yards, where you can customize/build a ship larger than can fit in a planet-side port. Once you build a ship larger than the standard port size, that ship must remain in space, acting as a flagship. You’d need to either already have other smaller ships you can use for landing, or go out and buy/steal one before you could again land on a planet. Or perhaps one of the building blocks we could put on our ship could be a shuttle bay… then our landing/takeoff animation just uses a shuttle taking us to/from our ship, instead of our ship itself.
It'd also be quite Nice to be able to land a Massive Flagship on an Inhabited Planet, to Display to the NPCs that whatever You're there for, it's a Big Deal... Intimidation Factor, if You will...
@@broccoligaming7611 maybe if you’re landing outside of the populated area… I expect there would be limits on the size ship you could land inside a city.
that hauler with the turrets has me so hyped! i was hoping that we could put our crew on turrets and didn't only have forward facing weapons and that ship makes me think that is the case. as a side note I also hope that our ship can be disabled in combat and we have to get out of the pilot seat to repair it or have an engineer do the repairs mid flight. honestly, i just hope they really take advantage of the fact we will have a crew, imagine crafting some weapons while en route or role playing as your ship's chef who doesn't know the first thing about flying while one of your crew pilots the ship instead.
Crew will give you upgrades to things like weapons, shields, engines, etc and will be compounded so like 2 crew give 50% each on shields, your shields get 100.
Imagine seeing the sulaco from alien being fully recreated in game by the modding community, imagine finding the habitation buildings of LV426 on a planet.
The modding scene is gonna be crazy. They are gonna make full on movie scenes on planets. Movie based ships etc. maybe a Star Wars conversion. So much possibility.
@@colin7225 imagine they make the whole ship from Alien and manage to create a Xeno morph that can’t be killed and 2 shots you and you have to use stealth. Like essentially turning the game into Alien Isolation haha.
Massive??? What the hell you talking about? 😂😂😂 The biggest you can fly is a Heavy Corvette, that is NOT massive. 😂😂😂 Not even reaching a Frigate size, not even mention how far it is from an actual Cruiser. 😂
I want to see the modding community put together various Warhammer 40k ships. Just imagine from flying a thunder hawk gunship to piloting Abbadon the despoiler's Planet Killer. Hell, I want to see a Warhammer 40k Full conversion Mod.
You must be so disappointed now. Unless you accepted to have a mini-Enterprise. This game is really good though. 72 hours in, only handful of planets completed at 100% and only 3 main missions in - bunch of side quests done. This game is super enjoyable.
The cockpit on the largest ship is the same as the cockpit on the "platypus" ship from the Starfield direct presentation. Here's hoping we get to make bigger ships!
This is just a guess, but I believe you can build larger ships (Capital) in the staryards in orbit. In starports it looks to be limited by the size of the area of the landing pad. But in a staryard those limits may not be there, allowing for the construction of longer and taller ships. Just a guess, but it would be cool if it proves out.
I am most excited about the shipbuilding. I also cannot wait to have my own fleet, probably crewed by AI that i can send away on missions or have them back me up. Don't know if Bethesda will have t5hat in the vanilla game, but modders are insane and will probably have it done and ready on the mod pages withing a month or two of release
This ship building system is pretty much what Interstellar Rift built several years ago. It is a fantastic way to customize and build your ship and allows for non symmetrical vessels. Looking forward to this.
With the creation kit, I think it is safe to say that ships can also be constructed using the same tools as in-game ship building. But in the kit, there likely won't be any size limnits. The question I have isn't so much as how big ships can be in the game. The question for me is how big can they be and still be flyable. We're essentially moving large, high-poly 3D modules hooked together at connection points within map. And that's got to involve a massive amount of processing power. The bigger the ship, the more modules involved. It stands to reason that ships of a particular size would become problematice for flight processing, and may stay more or less stationary in the space environment. This will allow the large ships to maintain a physical presence, but not be active like smaller ships. Weapon systems on them would still work, tho. And they would likely be able to engage grav drives to move between star systems. So if we can actually control one of these ships, it won't be locked to a single star system. Simulating movement through deep space may be possible by engaging thruster animations, and having the stars seem to move. The ship would still be stationary, but the illusion of movement could be employed. I'm only speculating. If we can actually fly large scale ships, like that battle cruiser, it would be impressive to say the least. We'll know soon enough.
You missed something, on the ship builder screen it says 46m, which i'm presuming means metres.. 46 metres and it looked like you could continue to build it bigger.. the ships are going to be huge
Every since their 40+ minute reveal video, they mentioned three things that immediately got me wondering.... 1: You can take 'any' ship for yourself. 2: You can board a militarized cruiser. 3: You can hire crew for your ships and bases. (Plural) Can I take that cruiser and fill it with my own crew? >:)
I'll be making a lot of ships inspired by the beautiful ship designs of EVE online, not copies, but just using them as inspiration. I love all the vertical ships, wide ships, and asymmetrical ships of EVE, so I can't wait to create my own ships with that style!
Imagine if we could take over that massive battlecruiser they showed on the deep dive and add it as a flagship to our own fleet. I don't know how big the crew numbers would be, but maybe with some stealth shenanigans we could take them out and gain control of it. Perhaps bounty hunters would come after us for such an act. Honestly the possibilities are pretty exciting.
probably useful to have 2 focused ships, like one huge freighter for cargo and one small, fast, nimble and highly armed ship for dog fights and bounty hunting
i've smoked some, and initially thought my headphones where malfunctioning with the synchronisation, took me a few minutes.. good job! totally fooled me
The "large ship with docked ships" (6:01) - that larger docked ship looks to be the same base hull as the freighter - which means that is about 96m long, and the main ship would be about 600m long... Those ships on the other side do line up with the docking ports (you can see the freighter docked at one, and an open one next to it) on the other side.
I think everything which is close to a venator class might be too big, but they could still make it happen so when you want to land on a planet its gonna be an LAAT, let me dream, without going too crazy in modding i think CR90 class corvettes would be possible, maybe even Arquitens-class light cruisers.
I made a ship that resembles the millennium falcon from Star Wars but instead of a cockpit on the side, I put one right in the middle. Best build I have made yet. It’s quite large, medium mobility, high firepower and lots of cargo space. My next build I’m thinking of a light cruiser built if I can find a Star yard that has the modules I need. I have become quite good at making credits especially after learning how to disable and dock to enemy ships. I’ll stock up on contraband and head to the wolf system where I sell it all in bulk. Find the den in the wolf system. Won’t get scanned and can dock there and sell everything including ships you have captured, but need to register them first to sell them. I recommend upping the commerce skill so you get profit from selling and discounts for buying. Your welcome. 😂 Also you can join crimson fleet, become a pirate and sell everything at their base called the key. But I’m a privateer doing good deeds so I didn’t join, that’s for my next play through. 😊
This looks really cool, but I'm not much of a base builder, and don't think I will invest too much time gathering resources for it. I hope there will be opportunities to salvage/appropriate better ships too.
You can definitely capture other ships, based on presentation footage that showed a fight between the player and a pirate vessel, then take over the ship. I think most of the ship building is mostly about paying for components, not gathering resources, so you should hopefully be safe from having to scrounging for resources.
Potential Ship Designs: - Star Destroyer - Borg Cube / Potentially a Borg sphere (it'l llook wonky) with flarings - Defiant from Star Trek - Flying Saucer - Millenium Falcon and other YT Variants
Can I have auto gunners / turrets? Or are all the weapons forward facing and 100% player controlled? (Random fact, in Warthunder I mostly play bombers lol)
Did I see that you can have multiple ships? I think that’s the biggest thing for everyone. Different ships for different applications/missions. I like the idea of flying a fast ship for combat/piracy purposes, but also being able to switch to a massive transport ship for transporting goods/minerals.
Be cool to build a full sized carrier, large enough to carry a light escort of frigates as well as dropships, fighters, and bombers... While having heavy armor and defense... (And warp capible)
It would be so cool that while out in space you investigate a distress call from an unknown planet. The terror starts when you and the crew encounter a nest of eggs inside an abandon facility. You take it back to your ship for study or even to sell it. Later an organism from inside the egg leaps out and attaches itself to one of the crew, causing him to fall into a coma. It burst out of him and grows larger and you and your crew must hunt it down and kill it.
2:40 This picture raises so many questions. Like is weapon angles/collision a thing? Because if yes, the back cannon could really shoot through the ship cargo box :D Can we find different weapon types that would fit different ships? These weapons are clearly too big for small ships, but is their size generated based on ship, or is it the atribute of weapon itself. I was thinking that weapon quality will be determined by their level or maybe their rarity, but S size weapons for fighters and XXL size weapons for large ships both with different stats may actually be a thing.
This was something I was wondering as well at the exact same time stamp. You can see the cannon placed directly behind those cargo containers will 100% clip through those boxes when shooting in certain angles. Or will it actually have some sort of "CANNON OBSTRUCTED" warning when shooting, effectively disabling the weapons until you get a clear shot? Let's be honest, I'm thinking the shots will just clip through the containers, which in turn will make me think more in depth about the ships I build now to make it more immersive.
For some context, a 200M long ship would 45M longer than the Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers of the U.S. Navy, which clock in at 155M. Those ships house a crew of about 300 - 320. Which coincidentally, is the same length of the Normandy from Mass Effect.
Having to consider player locomotion inside while having the interior fit the exterior usually makes ships larger than it's irl counterpart. But only the former would be applicable for the Normandy i guess.
Even if we are limited to 100-200 metres that’s pretty decently big but imagine what mods will bring! Someone out there is going to build a Death Star 😆
@@azrik6084 Bethesda modding community is great for sure, but I’m sure you won’t see any HUGE mods for the first few years. Look at Skyrim, the community really boomed between the release of DB and SE and then boomed between SE and AE, and it’s just now starting to pick up again. They game needs to be “done” for a decent amount of time before the community can really get going. If they’re constantly cranking out updates for the first few years it’s not gonna take off that fast
@@cowtowncaptain7649 oh, no doubt. It will take time for the modding community to really sink their teeth into the game. I tend to play vanilla for my initial play through anyway though so that is fine with me.
Some thoughts: You'll never be able to build a ship bigger than the landing pads in the game unless there are special large landing/docking areas for oversized freighter class ships The freighter shown in the video is most likely a unique one owned by one of the military factions that the player can visit and not one you can build.
@@benhoff1779 yeah, that's the only way it would work really. One has to wonder how the loading screens going from pilot seat, to capital ship interior, to smaller ship interior, to pilot seat, to planet would actually feel though. If I had to jump through all those transitions flying my freighter in no man's sky just to get out In my ship and go exploring id probbaly feel less inclined to take my freighter around everywhere. This is why most devs realize loading screens in space exploration games just kinda pull you out of the experience and spend time to cleverly disguise them if it's required.
@@benhoff1779 Right, but fast travel doesn't sound very fun in a space exploration game imho. Sounds like a gamey arcade title with no risk or reward. The heck is the point of even having a ship? Might as well just make space travel a cutscene too. This is the problem with BGS. They care too much about what the casual audience thinks that they don't take risks and so us modders have to go in and adjust everything, only to find out the public loves the tweaks more than the vanilla experience. I just can't stand sloppy gameplay and lazy mechanics in such an "ambitious" title in 2023. At least no mans sky had an immersive way of introducing fast travel options. Once again, modders to the rescue.
Of course, if you want massive ships, you must pretty please play through our game, if it happens to be too glitchy, keep playing it or else no fun ship building. I hope I’m wrong but I just don’t trust Bethesda. Space Engineers has ship building like crazy so I hope this is mostly like that. Great video!
Avorion lets you make ships as big as ypu want. I built one that was 3 million tons, it was a couple thousand meters long. That cargo freighter is hilariously small.
4:24 I suspect 46m is telling you the actual length of the ship in that dimension, as is the other axis. 46m would be an odd number to mark out on the grid without either marking every single metre, or round increments. It would also be strange to measure 46m from mid ship / grid to the back and make you mentally double it. As you spin the view, the markers might switch to the nearest parts of the axis lines.
I would say that assuming that we can make ships the size of all the ships we have seen so far is a stretch tho, just because there ARE massive Battleships maybe for example, doesn't necessarily mean we can recreate them (at least in the vanilla game, there will probably then be mods unlocking it), as that would need completly changed up space fighting mechanics honestly. I would say the size we will be able to go may be quite big, but wont go into that massive territory. I agree that it is interesting that you can actually do make a vertically orientied ship pretty much as it seems :D
Wonder if Istvan Pely(art director early in the vid) is a fan of 40k? But these ships look INSANE. I think this is what I am most pumped about, like everybody else hahaha.
The only question I have is if you made a 100m long ship, will all the docks allow you to land? Or will you land with a smaller ship attached to your big ship? It looks like the dock that that mech ship is landed on is pretty small to fit a 100m long ship.
I think what they meant by saying they used the shipbuilder to make almost all the ships in the game, means they used the building tool itself in a developer mode. I don't think they meant to say that you will be able to use it to build your own capital ships in-game. I think people are reaching a bit with that one.
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It's safe to say, we'll be making some massive ships once Starfield is released.
Can’t wait for the mods. Gonna have some cool Star Wars ships. Or even halo.
How long before we see the first Borg cube builds?
My opinion without evidence is that the cargo ship shown will be max or close to max length. And the mech ship show max height and width. Ship still has to fit on landing pad and the cargo ship seems to be close to max.
welll yes..but saying that you van male ships within ships is literal bullshit,,,
BASED on landing pad size people!!!
I would love to see a large ship that has a hangar for smaller ships
Yes I mean if it was small fighter size single seater ships would be awesome
@@cuckertarlson3329you mean freighter?
@@cuckertarlson3329sorry, thinking about NMS 😂
If your not going measure In football fields then how are we supposed to understand this
play star citizen
It probably wouldn't matter in the long run. If we can't make large ships at launch, modders will certainly add in an Eclipse Star Destroyer into the game.
Please not that abomination.
Oh god what abomination did the empire create?! Man a venator looks good
Oh yes the eclipse start destroyer The day that one designer decided took so many drugs all at once that he decided giving a goatee to a starship was a good and reasonable idea.
Or maybe a star trek ship like the enterprise E or F
Ummm actually it's a eclipse class dreadnought smh smh😔
What I’m hoping for is being able to make a smaller ship dock with a larger ship and being able to undock when you need the smaller size. For example, make a massive cargo ship and have a small ship detach for more defense. An actual carrier would be sweet though.
That may be possible, we know you can have a fleet of ships, and it seems you can have crew flying those ships when you're not using them.
That is the best thing I read today. I was just wondering if you could craft docks from a long main ship and have other purpose ships docked onto the “port/starboard” sides or the top and bottom.
Clone wars flag ships like "The Resolute"
It's a concept x4 had. I see a lot from x series in this game.
I mean we saw in the direct he docked with a private ship, killed everyone and then flew the ship with it docked to get it registered. So I don't see why you couldn't do it. IF you can't, seeing as the mechanic already exists in the game I'm sure a mod will come to enable it
Its funny how the ship size seems massive on one hand, but on the other it seems so extremely realistic comparing the human to the freight containers, the engines, etc. Makes you wonder how tiny ships in other games look, and how wrong that is (like in nms).
@goblo023 i did, ill only play Elite Dangerous (which as a lot of better things going than Star Citizen, but not ship) if they add ship interior that you can interact with, walk in while flying, get inside friends ship, etc. The fact its not like that ruins the experience for me. Im not a ship, im a human
@goblo023 yes starfield is what star citizen should be, but its solo player so its way easier to make and still took 7 years. So Star Citizen being what it is after 11 years makes me confident in the game future, and while it suck they proclaimed it'd take 2 years, who believed that..? Anyway, thanks for those who did, we would never have a game on the scale of SC if people didn't "fall for it"
@@shawndythomas2683While it looks fantastic, it's really 11 years for a glorified tech demo, a tech demo that spends most of it's resources making new ships to sell at ridiculous prices. I really wish it were good, and it began with good intentions but Chris Roberts realised he can make a fortune and never actually release a complete game.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we get some DLC that lets you build space stations. Wouldn’t be that different to the planet colonies you can make in the base game.
Starfield: Hearthfire DLC
Make a mudcrab spaceship
"another station needs your help, Ill mark it on your map"
got to give us a follow up to mothership Zeta first.
hell I can't wait for the modders to get a hold of the game, screw dlc lol
Having the ability to have a massive space based ship with docking ability to landing ships and a small attack ship would be awesome
Man this is so funny to look back at. People's expectations were ao damn high. Lol.
I'm hoping stealth systems and content that requires them are a thing in Starfield as I'd like to make a sneaky and fast little fighter as one of my ships for certain missions. Frontier - First Encounter (Elite 3) had recon and assassination missions that you could do for certain factions, and that game is nearly 30 years old. Bethesda seemed to have copied great ideas from other space games so I'm hoping this is in there too.
I'm hoping we can build ships using convex pieces, i.e. Millennium Falcon, classic 50's flying saucer, Planet Express ship etc, instead of just long rectangular/boxy types
Yeah me too. Would love to be able to build a flying saucer 🛸
The whole style of the game is NASA punk, maybe they would include a couple of fancier pieces as an Easter egg or something, but I wouldn’t could on it. It would really clash with the look and feel of the game
@@cowtowncaptain7649 if you look at the spaceship building engine then you can be sure to see ships designed as swatstickas, crosses, dildos, Homers, pacman and I don't know what. That kinda breaks the style too. Personally I'm going to see if I can make some spaceships representing Viking symbols and those sort of things. When modders had their hands of this, I'm sure we're going to see some absolutely crazy spaceships out there, but also some very offensive ones, and since it's a single player game I'm not sure they can do anything about it.
@@virtuellai need me a star destroyer 🙏🏻
The Borg has entered the chat……
5:18 I hope we can attach smaller ships to bigger ones. And that this isn’t just an NPC ship that we can’t use.
I also hope that we get ship parts that let us get nice smooth armor shapes like that big ship there. So that our ships don’t always look like independent modules fitted together. Though I do like the modularity, I just want the optional ability to cover it up.
I really like the look of that big ship (as in not as modular) and I like those smaller ships on the sides (a lot more modular looking) which one I like more depends on how I’m feeling and I’d like the design options for both possibilities.
Pretty sure they have coiling for the second part
Couling*
There is cowling for smoothness. It was shown in the direct
Lower your expectations
@@NixonMayHaveBeenOnToSomething I generally do.
I was just stating hypotheses of what would be nice, but that I don’t actually expect them to do.
With any new game, I try to only get excited for the bare minimum of the game mechanics shown.
(Take what onscreen gameplay they showed, cut 60% out (generally the best stuff) and that is what I limit myself to getting excited for. Only what is guaranteed to be in the game. This lets me be pleasantly surprised, and still have fun with even bad games)
Doesn’t stop me from getting really excited though.
i would imagine the largest ship you can build would still need to land on a platform, so i guess the question is how big are the platforms
My thoughts exactly. Capital ships clearly wouldn't be able to land on the smaller platforms. I suppose if you can build large capital ships it would make sense for them not to be able to land on planets and instead require a smaller craft for landing. That would be quite cool.
@@StateOfMind63 more often than not in sci-fi, capital ships don’t land at all. In fact, they never even come close to the atmosphere. The sheer force you need to support these behemoths against gravity is… realistically unachieveable. Instead, capital ships are basically a mobile base of operations/space port - they warp into a system, and then many, many small vessels dock with them. Say you have a giant battleship - it basically acts as a giant weapons platform with dozens of smaller fighters docked onto it. Or, a trading ship would warp into a port, only to be unloaded by smaller ships, their cargo spread to the sellers (this is how real ocean based cargo ships and battle ships work too of course, the ship docks in the port, and many many smaller trucks bring the cargo to where its needed to be)
@@meridiasbeacon7669 Which surprised me when i watched Star Trek building them on the planet surface
@@wolfe1970 yea it is weird, especially when you consider how much easier construction in space must be for a capable civilization. No need for supports, scaffolding, cranes... just float the empire-states-sized building pieces around like megablocks and attach them together. Obvioulsy it's more complex than that, but the point is that zero-g makes building crazy big stuff much easier.
@@wolfe1970 also, pieces can be built on planet surface and then be shot into space to be attached to a construction that would otherwise be impossible to launch into space as a finished thing. Such as the real life ISS
My concern is not about making a ship massive, though that would be super cool and all, but rather worried about how functional each room or modual the ship has. For example, building a massive base in Minecraft often has a TON of wasted space that is not acutally usable unless you pile chests in the room. I am talking about the room doing something that makes the ship function or if the room gives some sort of bonus for traveling, etc.
Do you think you might be able to construct a ship which is left in a star port. A ship that never lands on terra firma. A HUGE shiplike ecosystem/trading port. That would be a good mod.
Essentially a station, i think they would have told us if we could build space stations, but who knows. If the game doesn’t refresh the local space say around Jemison then maybe maybe you can have a faux station.
This is what I was hoping for. It would allow the level designers to use a (relatively) smaller landing pad, while not limiting the player from making a massive warship.
Like an orbital space station. You could have external landing pads fitted with electromagnets, which would activate on the initial landing, to keep it in place while the docking process is completed - you could have guards posted in a command centre who would demand an entry code before docking is authorised, and if entry is denied you could have autoturrets pop up and gently tell them to fuck off - the possibilities could be endless..
I wouldn’t be surprised if, like the vault dlc in fo4, we get a later dlc that adds station building.
I think ship customization will be limited by reactor output not size. Power allocation is a big component to how ships work in Starfield so it would make sense. As far as we know we can only have one reactor per ship with a set power limit. The reactors will probably be the most expensive items in the game as far as class and power output some will probably be worth more than an entire ship. Another factor could be the size of the landing port. My hope is their is no limit but restrictions like you reach a size where the only place you can dock the ship is the space yards making it only able to orbit planets. This would mean you can have smaller ship docked inside for landing or defenses. I also hope allies can fly in smaller ships or even take over the main ship during combat. Personally I'm going to try and make a bounty hunter ship or a smugglers
That's what modders are for. To break the limitations. In the start I will be playing without mods and go as long as I can without mods, but if there are things that annoy me, and modders have a solution for that, I will download those mods. In no man's sky the small backpack and spaceship inventories annoyed me, so those were some of the first mods I downloaded.
I prefer fun over reality when playing, and constant inventory management is not fun in my book, so near Unlimited inventory mods are probably some of the first I download as well in SF.
One cool thing they could do, is have ground-based ship yards, where you can build a ship up to some standard port size. Then also have separate orbital ship yards, where you can customize/build a ship larger than can fit in a planet-side port.
Once you build a ship larger than the standard port size, that ship must remain in space, acting as a flagship. You’d need to either already have other smaller ships you can use for landing, or go out and buy/steal one before you could again land on a planet.
Or perhaps one of the building blocks we could put on our ship could be a shuttle bay… then our landing/takeoff animation just uses a shuttle taking us to/from our ship, instead of our ship itself.
It'd also be quite Nice to be able to land a Massive Flagship on an Inhabited Planet, to Display to the NPCs that whatever You're there for, it's a Big Deal... Intimidation Factor, if You will...
@@broccoligaming7611 maybe if you’re landing outside of the populated area… I expect there would be limits on the size ship you could land inside a city.
Sorry to inform you guys but the Ship building limit atleast for me is limited to just under 40 Meters.
it's a total of 80 meters. no more than 40 on either side
that hauler with the turrets has me so hyped! i was hoping that we could put our crew on turrets and didn't only have forward facing weapons and that ship makes me think that is the case. as a side note I also hope that our ship can be disabled in combat and we have to get out of the pilot seat to repair it or have an engineer do the repairs mid flight. honestly, i just hope they really take advantage of the fact we will have a crew, imagine crafting some weapons while en route or role playing as your ship's chef who doesn't know the first thing about flying while one of your crew pilots the ship instead.
Crew will give you upgrades to things like weapons, shields, engines, etc and will be compounded so like 2 crew give 50% each on shields, your shields get 100.
Imagine seeing the sulaco from alien being fully recreated in game by the modding community, imagine finding the habitation buildings of LV426 on a planet.
The modding scene is gonna be crazy. They are gonna make full on movie scenes on planets. Movie based ships etc. maybe a Star Wars conversion. So much possibility.
@@ashtondillard6906 I would love to stuff from the aliens movies, imagine LV426 the planet from aliens 2, or the ship from prometheus and covenant.
@@ashtondillard6906 I would love to stuff from the aliens movies, imagine LV426 the planet from aliens 2, or the ship from prometheus and covenant.
@@colin7225 imagine they make the whole ship from Alien and manage to create a Xeno morph that can’t be killed and 2 shots you and you have to use stealth. Like essentially turning the game into Alien Isolation haha.
Absolutely loved this video will be watching and liking all your starfield vids
I’m so glad we have the ability to build vertically. I’m gonna try to build a ship like the Rocinante from the Expanse.
Same
I've been ambiguous about Starfield, but now I'm interested. I love big ships :D
Massive??? What the hell you talking about? 😂😂😂 The biggest you can fly is a Heavy Corvette, that is NOT massive. 😂😂😂 Not even reaching a Frigate size, not even mention how far it is from an actual Cruiser. 😂
I want to see the modding community put together various Warhammer 40k ships. Just imagine from flying a thunder hawk gunship to piloting Abbadon the despoiler's Planet Killer. Hell, I want to see a Warhammer 40k Full conversion Mod.
YOU MADE ME REALIZE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE SHIPS ALMOST AS BIG AS THE ENTERPRISE IM SO HYPED
You must be so disappointed now. Unless you accepted to have a mini-Enterprise. This game is really good though. 72 hours in, only handful of planets completed at 100% and only 3 main missions in - bunch of side quests done. This game is super enjoyable.
Just spent an hour making a ship to find it was too big 😅😅
I really hope they looked how Avorion ship building works and tooked as many as possible settings from that
Flagships?????? This just keeps getting better and better!!
The cockpit on the largest ship is the same as the cockpit on the "platypus" ship from the Starfield direct presentation. Here's hoping we get to make bigger ships!
The mech doesn't look like it's 100 meters tall. Those modules are like floors in a building, so it's more like 30 meters.
This is just a guess, but I believe you can build larger ships (Capital) in the staryards in orbit. In starports it looks to be limited by the size of the area of the landing pad. But in a staryard those limits may not be there, allowing for the construction of longer and taller ships. Just a guess, but it would be cool if it proves out.
I am most excited about the shipbuilding.
I also cannot wait to have my own fleet, probably crewed by AI that i can send away on missions or have them back me up. Don't know if Bethesda will have t5hat in the vanilla game, but modders are insane and will probably have it done and ready on the mod pages withing a month or two of release
I love that the name of that big engine is Supernova 2000.
This ship building system is pretty much what Interstellar Rift built several years ago. It is a fantastic way to customize and build your ship and allows for non symmetrical vessels. Looking forward to this.
With the creation kit, I think it is safe to say that ships can also be constructed using the same tools as in-game ship building. But in the kit, there likely won't be any size limnits. The question I have isn't so much as how big ships can be in the game. The question for me is how big can they be and still be flyable.
We're essentially moving large, high-poly 3D modules hooked together at connection points within map. And that's got to involve a massive amount of processing power. The bigger the ship, the more modules involved. It stands to reason that ships of a particular size would become problematice for flight processing, and may stay more or less stationary in the space environment. This will allow the large ships to maintain a physical presence, but not be active like smaller ships. Weapon systems on them would still work, tho. And they would likely be able to engage grav drives to move between star systems. So if we can actually control one of these ships, it won't be locked to a single star system.
Simulating movement through deep space may be possible by engaging thruster animations, and having the stars seem to move. The ship would still be stationary, but the illusion of movement could be employed.
I'm only speculating. If we can actually fly large scale ships, like that battle cruiser, it would be impressive to say the least. We'll know soon enough.
1:58 "Looks like an ant". Pump the breaks, man. It's a good size comparison, but you are embelishing here.
You missed something, on the ship builder screen it says 46m, which i'm presuming means metres.. 46 metres and it looked like you could continue to build it bigger.. the ships are going to be huge
The mech ship also shows that realistic ship dynamics is not a restraint. I think we are going to see plenty of Star Destroyers.
i hope so
OMG I didn't realise just how big these ship were, really looking forward to Starfield. Can't wait only 4 days left for me.
Every since their 40+ minute reveal video, they mentioned three things that immediately got me wondering....
1: You can take 'any' ship for yourself.
2: You can board a militarized cruiser.
3: You can hire crew for your ships and bases. (Plural)
Can I take that cruiser and fill it with my own crew? >:)
Following the same logic, why settle for one captured military cruiser when for could have a fleet?
I'll be making a lot of ships inspired by the beautiful ship designs of EVE online, not copies, but just using them as inspiration.
I love all the vertical ships, wide ships, and asymmetrical ships of EVE, so I can't wait to create my own ships with that style!
I loved EVE for years. It makes me sad what it's turned into.
Wondering what kind of modules they didn´t showed. Prison cell for bounty hunting, mineral conversion plants....
That mech ship looks hilarious, but it does serve to show how tall one can make a ship!
This video didn't age well rip shame 40m by 40m is max
Imagine if we could take over that massive battlecruiser they showed on the deep dive and add it as a flagship to our own fleet. I don't know how big the crew numbers would be, but maybe with some stealth shenanigans we could take them out and gain control of it. Perhaps bounty hunters would come after us for such an act. Honestly the possibilities are pretty exciting.
Can't wait to make my own venator class star destroyer
probably useful to have 2 focused ships, like one huge freighter for cargo and one small, fast, nimble and highly armed ship for dog fights and bounty hunting
I’m more interested in making smaller ships. I hope this game will have options for compact cozier ships as well.
i've smoked some, and initially thought my headphones where malfunctioning with the synchronisation, took me a few minutes.. good job! totally fooled me
The "large ship with docked ships" (6:01) - that larger docked ship looks to be the same base hull as the freighter - which means that is about 96m long, and the main ship would be about 600m long... Those ships on the other side do line up with the docking ports (you can see the freighter docked at one, and an open one next to it) on the other side.
Wonder if i could get a battlestar/star destoryer level of ship to fly. Imagine a whole fleet to bring with you.
I think everything which is close to a venator class might be too big, but they could still make it happen so when you want to land on a planet its gonna be an LAAT, let me dream, without going too crazy in modding i think CR90 class corvettes would be possible, maybe even Arquitens-class light cruisers.
I made a ship that resembles the millennium falcon from Star Wars but instead of a cockpit on the side, I put one right in the middle.
Best build I have made yet. It’s quite large, medium mobility, high firepower and lots of cargo space.
My next build I’m thinking of a light cruiser built if I can find a Star yard that has the modules I need.
I have become quite good at making credits especially after learning how to disable and dock to enemy ships. I’ll stock up on contraband and head to the wolf system where I sell it all in bulk. Find the den in the wolf system. Won’t get scanned and can dock there and sell everything including ships you have captured, but need to register them first to sell them.
I recommend upping the commerce skill so you get profit from selling and discounts for buying.
Your welcome. 😂
Also you can join crimson fleet, become a pirate and sell everything at their base called the key. But I’m a privateer doing good deeds so I didn’t join, that’s for my next play through. 😊
The best part is it doesn't require fuel.
Just click on the map where you want to go, and you'll get a loading screen.
This looks really cool, but I'm not much of a base builder, and don't think I will invest too much time gathering resources for it. I hope there will be opportunities to salvage/appropriate better ships too.
You can definitely capture other ships, based on presentation footage that showed a fight between the player and a pirate vessel, then take over the ship. I think most of the ship building is mostly about paying for components, not gathering resources, so you should hopefully be safe from having to scrounging for resources.
They lied about big ships :'(
Potential Ship Designs:
- Star Destroyer
- Borg Cube / Potentially a Borg sphere (it'l llook wonky) with flarings
- Defiant from Star Trek
- Flying Saucer
- Millenium Falcon and other YT Variants
Pahahaha. This video and your pinned comment is so wrong.
Didnt age well lol
Can I have auto gunners / turrets? Or are all the weapons forward facing and 100% player controlled?
(Random fact, in Warthunder I mostly play bombers lol)
turns out not very large
I'm addicted to this game there is still so much that can be done to make it better
Did I see that you can have multiple ships? I think that’s the biggest thing for everyone. Different ships for different applications/missions. I like the idea of flying a fast ship for combat/piracy purposes, but also being able to switch to a massive transport ship for transporting goods/minerals.
The pillar of autumn. YYEEEEESSSSSSS
Be cool to build a full sized carrier, large enough to carry a light escort of frigates as well as dropships, fighters, and bombers... While having heavy armor and defense... (And warp capible)
I want to make the Firefly transport from Firefly. Mainly for the lols.
Type - Borg Cube incoming.
I bet this is one of the 1st things that's getting modded. Be prepared for insanely massive ships lol. I'm going to build a borg cube!
Let's all make a Deathstar!
The docking bay of the frontier is on the top, so those ships being docked on the battleship seems very likely.
It would be so cool that while out in space you investigate a distress call from an unknown planet. The terror starts when you and the crew encounter a nest of eggs inside an abandon facility. You take it back to your ship for study or even to sell it. Later an organism from inside the egg leaps out and attaches itself to one of the crew, causing him to fall into a coma. It burst out of him and grows larger and you and your crew must hunt it down and kill it.
That sidequest is only enabled if you name your character Ripley
Cease and desist
2:40 This picture raises so many questions. Like is weapon angles/collision a thing? Because if yes, the back cannon could really shoot through the ship cargo box :D
Can we find different weapon types that would fit different ships? These weapons are clearly too big for small ships, but is their size generated based on ship, or is it the atribute of weapon itself.
I was thinking that weapon quality will be determined by their level or maybe their rarity, but S size weapons for fighters and XXL size weapons for large ships both with different stats may actually be a thing.
This was something I was wondering as well at the exact same time stamp. You can see the cannon placed directly behind those cargo containers will 100% clip through those boxes when shooting in certain angles. Or will it actually have some sort of "CANNON OBSTRUCTED" warning when shooting, effectively disabling the weapons until you get a clear shot? Let's be honest, I'm thinking the shots will just clip through the containers, which in turn will make me think more in depth about the ships I build now to make it more immersive.
For some context, a 200M long ship would 45M longer than the Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers of the U.S. Navy, which clock in at 155M. Those ships house a crew of about 300 - 320. Which coincidentally, is the same length of the Normandy from Mass Effect.
Having to consider player locomotion inside while having the interior fit the exterior usually makes ships larger than it's irl counterpart. But only the former would be applicable for the Normandy i guess.
Well, this video didn't age well...
I want to build a Starfleet style exploration vessel. Like Voyager. An Intrepid Class, not too big or small but just right.
Even if we are limited to 100-200 metres that’s pretty decently big but imagine what mods will bring!
Someone out there is going to build a Death Star 😆
I'm gonna try to build me an Enterprise style ship asap. Or at least something similar.
My first thought was to make a massive Borg cube
Y’all are coming to the wrong game for that stuff lol. You might have better luck just building one of the shuttle craft
@@cowtowncaptain7649 or just wait for the modding community to get a hold of the game.
@@azrik6084 Bethesda modding community is great for sure, but I’m sure you won’t see any HUGE mods for the first few years. Look at Skyrim, the community really boomed between the release of DB and SE and then boomed between SE and AE, and it’s just now starting to pick up again. They game needs to be “done” for a decent amount of time before the community can really get going. If they’re constantly cranking out updates for the first few years it’s not gonna take off that fast
@@cowtowncaptain7649 oh, no doubt. It will take time for the modding community to really sink their teeth into the game. I tend to play vanilla for my initial play through anyway though so that is fine with me.
Finally my SE experience will come in handy
Looking forward to making my flagship, "The cube".
Some thoughts: You'll never be able to build a ship bigger than the landing pads in the game unless there are special large landing/docking areas for oversized freighter class ships
The freighter shown in the video is most likely a unique one owned by one of the military factions that the player can visit and not one you can build.
@@benhoff1779 yeah, that's the only way it would work really. One has to wonder how the loading screens going from pilot seat, to capital ship interior, to smaller ship interior, to pilot seat, to planet would actually feel though. If I had to jump through all those transitions flying my freighter in no man's sky just to get out In my ship and go exploring id probbaly feel less inclined to take my freighter around everywhere.
This is why most devs realize loading screens in space exploration games just kinda pull you out of the experience and spend time to cleverly disguise them if it's required.
@@benhoff1779 Right, but fast travel doesn't sound very fun in a space exploration game imho. Sounds like a gamey arcade title with no risk or reward. The heck is the point of even having a ship? Might as well just make space travel a cutscene too.
This is the problem with BGS. They care too much about what the casual audience thinks that they don't take risks and so us modders have to go in and adjust everything, only to find out the public loves the tweaks more than the vanilla experience.
I just can't stand sloppy gameplay and lazy mechanics in such an "ambitious" title in 2023. At least no mans sky had an immersive way of introducing fast travel options.
Once again, modders to the rescue.
Some of the ships, and space combat, reminds me of Freespace and Freespace 2. I loved those games.
Of course, if you want massive ships, you must pretty please play through our game, if it happens to be too glitchy, keep playing it or else no fun ship building. I hope I’m wrong but I just don’t trust Bethesda. Space Engineers has ship building like crazy so I hope this is mostly like that. Great video!
I juat want a massive battleship. Not a cruiser,not a cargo ship,a BATTLE SHIP.
I hope there will be a mod that makes people say " That's no moon "
Avorion lets you make ships as big as ypu want. I built one that was 3 million tons, it was a couple thousand meters long.
That cargo freighter is hilariously small.
Can't wait to make my first Borg cube.
4:24 I suspect 46m is telling you the actual length of the ship in that dimension, as is the other axis. 46m would be an odd number to mark out on the grid without either marking every single metre, or round increments. It would also be strange to measure 46m from mid ship / grid to the back and make you mentally double it.
As you spin the view, the markers might switch to the nearest parts of the axis lines.
It says 46m Aft tho, as in the tail
@@cowtowncaptain7649 Yeah it's telling you you're looking at the aft / working with it.
releasing this the week after labor day is such a gut punch man
I would say that assuming that we can make ships the size of all the ships we have seen so far is a stretch tho, just because there ARE massive Battleships maybe for example, doesn't necessarily mean we can recreate them (at least in the vanilla game, there will probably then be mods unlocking it), as that would need completly changed up space fighting mechanics honestly. I would say the size we will be able to go may be quite big, but wont go into that massive territory.
I agree that it is interesting that you can actually do make a vertically orientied ship pretty much as it seems :D
The players will figure out a quickest way to get big ships in no time I'm sure. I would probably try hijacking as one way.
You can make your ship big, but power supply will limit things real fast.
100x100x100 meters? Can't wait to build my very own borg cube!
I wonder how long until a group of modders try to turn this into a Star Wars fan’s dream game
Max ship length is 40 meters.
As someone who loves the series "The Expanse" I find this pretty awesome. The whole NASApunk design and sizing is very similar.
If I can, I will be making the Rocinante.
Wonder if Istvan Pely(art director early in the vid) is a fan of 40k?
But these ships look INSANE. I think this is what I am most pumped about, like everybody else hahaha.
I love ship building this Finn’s be litt. Been playing space engineers for years
The modding community for this game will be insane
The only question I have is if you made a 100m long ship, will all the docks allow you to land? Or will you land with a smaller ship attached to your big ship? It looks like the dock that that mech ship is landed on is pretty small to fit a 100m long ship.
I think what they meant by saying they used the shipbuilder to make almost all the ships in the game, means they used the building tool itself in a developer mode. I don't think they meant to say that you will be able to use it to build your own capital ships in-game. I think people are reaching a bit with that one.
Im ready for this!
200 meters is crazy. Imagine a high school football statium coming flying at you