AVOID SCAMMERS on RUclips : IF SOMEONE POSES AS "DRONE CAMPS" saying you WON a DRONE... YOU DID NOT. DO NOT SEND MONEY ONLINE to these scammer JERKS!!! - Enjoy the video. - Kindly, Your friend, Justin Davis.
I have figured part of it out, someone is a clone in one of these fpv groups, and this shit is a live attack that's spread thru videos, worked in net security for a while, I've been tracing them
This is what separates a true pilot from content creators. Someone who understands drones and the physics that go into each flight. Thanks man for giving this community a diff perspective and critical knowledge.
You are super welcome. Recently I was saying the guys with the big views are guys that we’re “camera guys” and became “drone” guys. They come with not the same knowledge of the drone flight, mechanics, skills, and awareness.
@@racingpixel8237 That's not something they can fix I'm afraid, same with prop wash and so on. Like with any moving object, there are law of physics you'll deal with, inertia, air resistance, air flow in this case, and then weather, wind gusts, even the sun position, etc DJI can't to much against it, I suppose..
Man, I totally blew it, I bought this to film kiteboarding, among other things. Now you’re saying you shouldn’t fly in windy conditions! Shows how well I did my research. Got really sucked into the marketing. Also, after flying the AVATA lots, then flying the DJI FPV, I found it way more responsive, powerful and easy to fly! … side note… so cool that you went from REAL to building this Channel! 🔥🤙
I just returned my Avata, this is the first video I've watched were someone said what it's really for. Everyone else has been like "SEND IT BRO!" and it just seemed too good to be true for me for a cinewoop. Returned is and ordered the Nazgul 5" . Thanks for the realistic feedback!
All of these videos are mainly subjective to the users views. You should of flown it yourself, now obviously if you live in a Windy city then a cinewhoop is not for you unless you will stay low to the ground or indoors. As far as acro, its completely fine, bump your rates if you want to do more freestyle even though the cinewhoop is not made for freestyle. So I am not sure why the content creator is saying its not a true acro, it def is. The Avata is my favorite FPV drone right now and I have been flying for a hella long time. I have done alien rolls, Dives, etc. WIth ease on this drone. not sure what the hate is about.
@@elvismaldonado2631 Wow, where did you see "hate"? It's a fact that any drone having prop guards will suffer from having its airflow restricted, but you won't have any issues using this drone the way it's been designed for. It's a cinewhoop, you can definitely do some light freestyle, the right amount to make the video interesting, the video you shot should be pleasant for any viewer, not a showcase of your freestyle skills only another FPV pilot would enjoy, after all you wouldn't but a city car to do off-road, right? DJI has put itself in a weird position, it's trying to bring a hobby that requires skills developed in years to "everyone". So, it's defintely not the best cinewhoop ever, but it provides a lot of cool featues making it extremely fun to fly for both beginners and experienced pilots.
Finally someone who understands static arm and CoG principles...Well Done. I have been using my Avata for in close ceiling sprinkler inspections in the rafters. Challenging to say the least...
Thank you for the tips! I got the Avata myself and I really enjoy it! It's an awesome drone. When you buy it you have to know that it is not a classic fpv drone that can do all tricks. This is an explorer. Fly it slow and as long as you dont go in manual mode you should be fine! Ofc you can fly in Manual if you are experienced, but dont push it too far. It's just not what it's made for. But if you use it how it is supposed to be, you will have the best experience ever! DJI stepped the game up with this new style of fpv imo.
It certainly seems like most trouble comes from the Avata when you're really trying to push it or go fast with it when seems like it was intended to be a slow and smooth/precision cinewhoop whereas some seem to be treating it more like a freestyle. Will be more careful with mine for sure after seeing some of these! I've been very hesitant to fly in anything more than a breeze with it so good to know I haven't just had drone anxiety with it haha. Thanks for the video.
It sorta blew my mind that so many people were basically washing out and didn’t realize it was more with the way they were flying it than the drone itself. Lots of new flyers though so I guess it makes sense. Good to put this out there for them.
Agreed. All these guys think somethings wrong with it and expect DJI to come out with a firmware update to “fix” it. When honestly in the past five years it’s the more sleek designs with proper mid frame low point CG and F7 flight controllers that honestly have less tumble. But even those still do it as good as they are designed. And I did test an acro mode today with this drone for the first time. And like so many others have said it doesn’t hold a candle to betaflight acro mode. Ken Heron is quoted as saying it feels like whackro mode 😆😆😆😆 And with the power to weight ratio here and the high CG I am in 100% agreement that it feels weird. It feels like it’s about to break out at any moment. And it does.
@@dronecamps I’ve been flying it more than my other whoop lately. Just smooth banked turns has been letting it do some mountain surfing for me it in way my other doesn’t. But hiking for it would SUCK! Lol
Ha Ha Ha ! Hi Justin Great video and information about the DJI Avata. I have from the start complaining about the Avata. I have a HGLRC Racewhoop 30, and even though it has thin dust it Tumbles. My friend has one and he is disabled and I have been watching him get so much better than before. I'm definitely going to share this video with him. Thanks again for the video.
I never assumed that this drone was meant for speed, I believe that’s why it came with the controller it did, but I could be wrong? Personally, I think on sport mode I don’t really need to go much faster. It flys great with awesome footage and the latency is second to none! I’m new to FPV, this is the bomb for new FPV pilots looking a RTF no fuss get out & go fun!! Love my Avata!! Great Video!! New subscriber here!! Can’t wait to see more on the Avata!!!
Great stuff! Some folks just make noise because they’d prefer to be in the hood nooks of manufacturer, but it doesn’t have to be bad or good, just a fact with some real engr mind behind it. The problem is apparent in the DJI Mini3 Pro, except it’s not widespread and DJI knows it. It’s the reason they are pushing customers to always buy a DJI Care. Shift some of the cost (time) to fix it with customers until there is a solution, perhaps in 1-2 years.
I don't own it, but looking at many crash videos - looks like their motion algorithm is buggy, this doesn't seem like mainly a torque/power/air flow issue. Some very weird behavior after loosing attitude, and when the flight computer tries to level the drone it presents very non robust attitude correction behavior (some videos even show crashing to the ground and then experiencing a flyway).
Yeah : mine crashed to the ground and wouldn’t fcking shut off. It went full power and breakdanced at high power. I was finally able to make it shut down. I was like wtf was that!
Very honest, logic, and realistic words for us, thank you 😁👍👍👍👍 I've playing fpv about three years, once i saw the Avata, and what this drone capabilities, i know exactly this is a precise for slow and nice nicematic drone, .
Yes, finally someone talking straight about this purpose built machine! You don't know how many newbs great this as a "normal" camera platform drone! DJI could've alliviated alot of issues with "hollow" gaurds as mentioned earlier. I love this thing but it does have it's caveats. I cringe when I hear new folks saying this is their first drone and automatically go full manual 🤦
I cringe when Dji newbies try to convince others I’m a hater because I said the truth. God forbid anyone say anything bad about Dji. - All hail Dji the drone gods. 😆
DJI has years of experience and has done huge amounts of research on drone design. this drone is fine if you use it for what it was designed. great video.
With all you said being really true it’s still ridiculous that it falls of the sky. I was flying bricks so heavy that hovering was done at 3/4 of a throttle and every tumble on a complete joke of tuning was recoverable to some extent- well at least sticks were not dying. Back in the days when it all started almost every drone had that design with heavy battery on top, but fcs were not going into unresponsive mode because of a tumble. Physics are physics- agreed but all it has to do to recover is do a roll flip towards the tumble then hover. DJI has to do their homework.
For sure. However our quads had Betaflight or cleanflight firmware. Dji firmware is probably good but imo for freestyle not as acro smooth by any means. Also no PID tuning. It’s hard to beat an F7 with Betaflight.
My Avata tumbled down 3 times last weekend :( Glad it's still alive. Guess I'll cut out parts of the prop guards (except the parts with the antennas) to get rid of the tumbling problem - at least a little. And trying to avoid those manoeuvres. Or I switch from motorcycle videos to real estate ;)
Great video very informative. It's great to hear from experience pilot. I'm only beginner so this kind of information are very useful. Thank you for sharing. It save me a lot of trouble. Kind regards Orim 👍😎
Now that I've seen the video, I remember that I had this with my Cvatar Cinewhoop "Tank" back when I was a beginner and thought I could fly freestyle with it. That was the reason I ordered the replacement drone package. XD Thanks for that. Well explained.
man i got the avata as my first fpv drone, practiced in the simulator for over 10 hours, went and flew it in a field and it was like i never had done manual practice before. wrecked three times. went to youtube and found this video and jeez, I'm considering sending back this drone. Do you recommend a good drone for beginner fpv pilots to practice with to learn manual?
You may want to check out OriginaldoBo and Mads Tech for explanation of the what is causing the issue. Also, I’ve experienced it but was able to prevent a crash by quickly hitting the brake button.
You’re exactly right. We’ve been having issues with flight controllers and prop guards since the days of the phantom 1. The cineloop is no different. Super small frame prop guards and under powered motors make it 100% ready for the flight controller to lose control past its tilt ratio threshold. And ladies and gentlemen you have a crash.
@@dronecamps the avata dose have like 200g on my cinewhops and like you said the battery position but still I don’t think a 600 dollar cinewhoop should fall outta the sky that easy.
ok - well that explains it, if the guards are removed and someone 3d printed a mount for the antenna so they are not dangling, I wonder if it would fly great or still have the tumble?
Justin. Excellent recap applying your knowledge and plethora of FPV experience regarding the Avata tumble issues others have reported. I think what is often overlooked that flyers as well as critics need to keep in mind, is that the Avata and DJI's first edition FPV are hybrid drones: cinematic, GPS and Bells and Whistles capable. They are not in the same class of FPV custom built drones that can perform bat sh_t crazy maneuvers you, Joshua Bardwell as well as others can do. When flyers try to make the Avata perform extreme acro and freestyle, that's when they crash and for all the reasons you mentioned in this RUclips video, which is excellent. I mainly do drone image photography with my first drone being the Phantom 1 which I still have and fly occasionally to keep the battery alive. Since 2013, I've accumulated a mini squadron of various DJI drones including the Matrice 30T and am 107 certified. Having watched a ton of drone RUclips videos over the years (including yours), it seems like there are two style of drone pilots: DJI types and FPV types. DJI's Avata and first edition FPV drone are hybrids. With 2700 Marine and Navy helo flight hours, I wouldn't expect to fly my last helo, a Sikorsky MH-53E like a Cobra..... If I did, I'd definitely crash and burn. Keep up the excellent RUclips videos! Semper Fly, Dave in Morro Bay.
Are you sure it's prop guard? If it were problematic for airflow would they use a tube on jet engines? I would have thought a venturi effect through propgurads would clean up the airflow if anything. Sounds more like the flight controller is getting overwhelmed no?
110% agree with everything said! Loving this CineWhoop but to many flying it like a true freestyle quad. It’s that simple. Most seem to crash 💥 in “manual mode” (max speed 60.39mph)…which is a huge jump from sports mode (max speed 31.31 mph) or slower yet normal mode (max speed 17.89 mph). Then add in “quick turns” and it’s a recipe for disaster. Personally, would not fly this quad in anything nearing 20mph or higher (even 15mph) starts to get sketchy. Again..nicely said! 😎👍
Been wondering what was happening to people. Personally I built my drone to fly acro so I'm really glad I went with a freestyle 5 inch. But I was genuinely curious about this and your explanation was great.
Never heard the term "tumble" in the FPV community before this video, at least for this definition. You are defining yaw/prop wash (at least in the terminology used by the FPV community).
I own the Avata and I have been flying mountains and doing cliff dives with it I have experienced a tumble with it during a cliff dive at the bottom of the dive when I started to make the transition from a verticle dive to a fairly gentle right turn while pulling out of the dive I experienced tumble fortunately the software update dji pushed to fix this issue saved my drone it switched from manual to normal mode stopping in a hover about 20 or 30 feet off the ground so in my case the new programming fix worked as designed I have also made the mistake of not paying attention to my flightpath and letting the mountain top get between me and the drone causing a total disconnect from the radio transmitter I thought for sure my drone was gone forever but I just waited like 20 seconds or so and I got back video feed and connection with the transmitter and was able to fly the drone back to me I have also experienced a wierd oscillation in the roll axis when flying straight in a slight dive a wierd side to side rocking motion but all in all it has performed flawlessly.
Justin, you da man! Thanks for the explanations to this phenomena. And I love Ken's term known as "WHACRO." To me it's basically all about having the right drone/kwad tool for the right job! Keep skoolin us Justin! 😉👍🏽
Thanks for this info! My Avata is due to be delivered as we speak, but now you've got me worried. I have flown both homebuilt and rtf cinewhoops and only use them as a flying camera in smaller spaces (low and slow). I never fly in acro mode. I have a DJI FPV drone and have enjoyed flying it through obstacle courses or forests, and for making videos of other RC planes (air to air video). If one never goes into "manual/acro" mode with the Avata, and never flies in over 10 mph winds, are they still going to experience the issues you talk about in this video? Thanks.
If you fly it like the fpv drone you will experience tumble you can fly it in acro/manual mode just don't turn aggressively and you should be fine I have experienced tumble with the avata 3 or 4 times by flying to aggressively in manual mode but in my case dji's tumble fix worked every time I probably only have about 20 flights or so under my belt with the Avata but I'm very pleased with its performance it could however use more powerful motors I think.
It can happen in any mode. Tumble phenomenon has factors of risk that start with : HIGH SPEED, ANGLE of TILT, WIND, and Flight Controller GYRO Threshold being maxxed out. Even a sudden gust of wind can make it tumble. This is a characteristic of virtually all cinewhoops we fly. Almost no cinewhoop does not have tumble. It's the nature of the design. DJI knows this but is trying to resolve it. I'm afraid a firmware update will help it by reducing gains. But it will be an issue as long as this drone flies.
@@dronecamps Hi Justin; I echo everyone’s comments regarding the great information, because I’m also in the process of getting one! It’s good to hear that DJI is aware of it and will be doing something about it! Cheers 🥂
Sam, DJI "Doing something about" well that will be questionable. Although ; I have huge faith in DJI. But for 5 years we have been testing these type of drones "cinewhoops" from scratch built ones to bind and fly. Not so far have not had this type of "tumble" somewhere in the flying it in acro mode. It can also happen in stability "N" mode and "S" modes. A firmware update may help "smooth" it out but you will lose some of the acro "manual mode" performance. This quad is better not flown in manual mode in my opinion. --- more Manual mode testing in the next video. - Subscribe and stay tuned my friend. - Kindly, Justin Davis.
@@dronecamps Hi Justin, Thanks for the quick reply and the detailed explanation. My intention is to fly in manual mode only in close proximity like any of my other quads and Normal for more cinematic shots and some indoors flying on a rainy day! I’m a subscriber to your channel and watch a lot of your videos, but mostly those related to FPV and GPS quads like the DJI ones. All the best to you as well! Thnx, Sam
@@samavella8831 Hey Sam, when people talk about flying indoors, most of them are doing some kind of real estate work. I don't think you'd really want to fly this big drone indoors, for fun. Just something to think about. Or maybe you live in a 20,000 square foot mansion with high ceilings. 🤷
I imagine that suffers a lot of prop-wash too, I'm not sure how feasible is to do sharp 180 degrees turns or dives with it but I bet it would end up into its airflow with that weight and likely crash
Encountered a brief glitch to the right myself in S mode and this was no wind problem for sure. I do not think you are right on the reason about what the Avata suffers from. I am pretty sure. This seems to be more a rare glitch of the flight stabilization software.
Great info. I was looking for better rates since I got the tumble when diving down which I am not used to on my standard FPV drones. BUT it´s actually the same challenge you have when diving with a BetaFPV 75 HD I realise after looking at the video.
great info Justin am enjoyin avata and yes evenn as a newbie fpv fllyer i have noticed not enoughh power in wind unless close too ground used to fly Pavo 30 hd before and learned pusher drones very stable but are definately for low flyin explorers and these crashers are well aware of this and passing bad info to new fpv flyers mostly for attention my guess
Damn, so that was the problem i have got the last time. I didn't crash my drone but i have got a "tumble " in a turn. I was turning very strong around a tree and the drone in a moment started tumbling and falling instantly, but somehow i was able to recover it and saved the crash...
Mine did almost same thing, in sport mode with the motion control. I was using head tracking and I was flying in a strait line and a bird flew by I turned my head real quick cuz a bird flew by. And it seemed like it rolled in mid air. DJI said was my fault
when doing whackro lol i can make the avata death roll on command on the throttle with hard left or right with pitch and yaw will do it every time takes about 5 to 10 feet to recover that said. In my opinion the center sensitivity is to hot makes and it worse iv found lowering the center sensitivity on roll to 130 pitch to 100 and yaw to 70 not only makes the quad much smother but has less tendency to death roll it still will tho. also don't fly with motion controller inside or under any thing like a parking garage it will do the drunken monkey and crash. i haver a great video of it doing just that on dji discord Thanks for this video please keep it coming!!!
Excellent advice for someone (we won't mention names) who has never done a whoop of any kind and has been digging around about this one. I'll make sure to pass this on to me...ummmm...him.
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I have figured part of it out, someone is a clone in one of these fpv groups, and this shit is a live attack that's spread thru videos, worked in net security for a while, I've been tracing them
Them mfkas almost got me in one of your first videos I commented on, but it's being spread by someone on the inside, knowingly, or not
Nostradamus🤣🤣🤣🤣 bruh your legit asf, these fools need to show some respec.. throw some salt bae on his name.. flat out!
The whackro is pretty cool on the DJI Avataaaah! Thanks for bringing us drone truths! #stayepic
This is what separates a true pilot from content creators. Someone who understands drones and the physics that go into each flight. Thanks man for giving this community a diff perspective and critical knowledge.
You are super welcome. Recently I was saying the guys with the big views are guys that we’re “camera guys” and became “drone” guys. They come with not the same knowledge of the drone flight, mechanics, skills, and awareness.
@@dronecamps saw someone tweet that DJI is releasing a fix for this issue on the software side... is this possible? what do you expect on it?
Yup, newb influencers selling this purpose built drone like it's a 5"🤦🤦
This video got me subbed. Actual knowledge without a bias. Cheers!
@@racingpixel8237 That's not something they can fix I'm afraid, same with prop wash and so on. Like with any moving object, there are law of physics you'll deal with, inertia, air resistance, air flow in this case, and then weather, wind gusts, even the sun position, etc DJI can't to much against it, I suppose..
Most reasonable rational explanation! Y’all need to listen to what he is saying it’s 100% facts.
Man, I totally blew it, I bought this to film kiteboarding, among other things. Now you’re saying you shouldn’t fly in windy conditions! Shows how well I did my research. Got really sucked into the marketing. Also, after flying the AVATA lots, then flying the DJI FPV, I found it way more responsive, powerful and easy to fly! … side note… so cool that you went from REAL to building this Channel! 🔥🤙
I just returned my Avata, this is the first video I've watched were someone said what it's really for. Everyone else has been like "SEND IT BRO!" and it just seemed too good to be true for me for a cinewoop. Returned is and ordered the Nazgul 5" . Thanks for the realistic feedback!
Man you’ll love the Nazgul5!
All of these videos are mainly subjective to the users views. You should of flown it yourself, now obviously if you live in a Windy city then a cinewhoop is not for you unless you will stay low to the ground or indoors. As far as acro, its completely fine, bump your rates if you want to do more freestyle even though the cinewhoop is not made for freestyle. So I am not sure why the content creator is saying its not a true acro, it def is. The Avata is my favorite FPV drone right now and I have been flying for a hella long time. I have done alien rolls, Dives, etc. WIth ease on this drone. not sure what the hate is about.
@@elvismaldonado2631 Wow, where did you see "hate"? It's a fact that any drone having prop guards will suffer from having its airflow restricted, but you won't have any issues using this drone the way it's been designed for. It's a cinewhoop, you can definitely do some light freestyle, the right amount to make the video interesting, the video you shot should be pleasant for any viewer, not a showcase of your freestyle skills only another FPV pilot would enjoy, after all you wouldn't but a city car to do off-road, right? DJI has put itself in a weird position, it's trying to bring a hobby that requires skills developed in years to "everyone". So, it's defintely not the best cinewhoop ever, but it provides a lot of cool featues making it extremely fun to fly for both beginners and experienced pilots.
Finally someone who understands static arm and CoG principles...Well Done. I have been using my Avata for in close ceiling sprinkler inspections in the rafters. Challenging to say the least...
Thank you for the tips! I got the Avata myself and I really enjoy it! It's an awesome drone. When you buy it you have to know that it is not a classic fpv drone that can do all tricks. This is an explorer. Fly it slow and as long as you dont go in manual mode you should be fine! Ofc you can fly in Manual if you are experienced, but dont push it too far. It's just not what it's made for.
But if you use it how it is supposed to be, you will have the best experience ever!
DJI stepped the game up with this new style of fpv imo.
Thanks... Love mine for close in and cinematic work. Reminds me of how kids wreck the first sports car they get. Like I did. Expensive lesson.
man dude, you are my hero, please continue with your DJI avata videos UNTILL THEY ADDRESS THE ISSUE!!!
Still trucking for truths
It certainly seems like most trouble comes from the Avata when you're really trying to push it or go fast with it when seems like it was intended to be a slow and smooth/precision cinewhoop whereas some seem to be treating it more like a freestyle. Will be more careful with mine for sure after seeing some of these! I've been very hesitant to fly in anything more than a breeze with it so good to know I haven't just had drone anxiety with it haha. Thanks for the video.
Yea its a cinewhoop. My 95x has yaw twitch washout.
It sorta blew my mind that so many people were basically washing out and didn’t realize it was more with the way they were flying it than the drone itself.
Lots of new flyers though so I guess it makes sense. Good to put this out there for them.
Agreed. All these guys think somethings wrong with it and expect DJI to come out with a firmware update to “fix” it. When honestly in the past five years it’s the more sleek designs with proper mid frame low point CG and F7 flight controllers that honestly have less tumble. But even those still do it as good as they are designed.
And I did test an acro mode today with this drone for the first time. And like so many others have said it doesn’t hold a candle to betaflight acro mode.
Ken Heron is quoted as saying it feels like whackro mode 😆😆😆😆
And with the power to weight ratio here and the high CG I am in 100% agreement that it feels weird. It feels like it’s about to break out at any moment. And it does.
@@dronecamps I’ve been flying it more than my other whoop lately. Just smooth banked turns has been letting it do some mountain surfing for me it in way my other doesn’t.
But hiking for it would SUCK! Lol
Ha Ha Ha ! Hi Justin Great video and information about the DJI Avata. I have from the start complaining about the Avata. I have a HGLRC Racewhoop 30, and even though it has thin dust it Tumbles. My friend has one and he is disabled and I have been watching him get so much better than before. I'm definitely going to share this video with him. Thanks again for the video.
I never assumed that this drone was meant for speed, I believe that’s why it came with the controller it did, but I could be wrong? Personally, I think on sport mode I don’t really need to go much faster. It flys great with awesome footage and the latency is second to none! I’m new to FPV, this is the bomb for new FPV pilots looking a RTF no fuss get out & go fun!! Love my Avata!! Great Video!! New subscriber here!! Can’t wait to see more on the Avata!!!
Great stuff! Some folks just make noise because they’d prefer to be in the hood nooks of manufacturer, but it doesn’t have to be bad or good, just a fact with some real engr mind behind it. The problem is apparent in the DJI Mini3 Pro, except it’s not widespread and DJI knows it. It’s the reason they are pushing customers to always buy a DJI Care. Shift some of the cost (time) to fix it with customers until there is a solution, perhaps in 1-2 years.
I feel like you’re the only drone youtuber talking about these issues. Thanks Justin.
Not many I’ve seen. You’re right.
Very useful information! Enjoying the Avata for what it is and what it is designed for! New goggles are amazing!
Glad I saw this, been thinking about getting one.but..I fly long distance mountains and coastal areas..thanks for info..
I don't own it, but looking at many crash videos - looks like their motion algorithm is buggy, this doesn't seem like mainly a torque/power/air flow issue. Some very weird behavior after loosing attitude, and when the flight computer tries to level the drone it presents very non robust attitude correction behavior (some videos even show crashing to the ground and then experiencing a flyway).
Yeah : mine crashed to the ground and wouldn’t fcking shut off. It went full power and breakdanced at high power. I was finally able to make it shut down.
I was like wtf was that!
@@dronecamps i even had same issue with DJI FPV. Looks like there is a major bug in software.
Very honest, logic, and realistic words for us, thank you 😁👍👍👍👍 I've playing fpv about three years, once i saw the Avata, and what this drone capabilities, i know exactly this is a precise for slow and nice nicematic drone, .
Woyld axisflying 3.5 inch frame kit be a worthy investment to stop the tumble?
Thanks for such a proper explanation.
You are very welcome. Thanks for the feedback! -
I agree with your assement I keep my Avata close to me but its still fun. My DJI FPV and Evoque are my hotrods.
Hi can this affect the dji fpv as well or its not very likely? 🙂
Always my first stop for any new drone that i might consider buying is Drone Camps RC. Thanks Justin for all the tips and honest review
Yes, finally someone talking straight about this purpose built machine! You don't know how many newbs great this as a "normal" camera platform drone! DJI could've alliviated alot of issues with "hollow" gaurds as mentioned earlier. I love this thing but it does have it's caveats. I cringe when I hear new folks saying this is their first drone and automatically go full manual 🤦
I cringe when Dji newbies try to convince others I’m a hater because I said the truth. God forbid anyone say anything bad about Dji. - All hail Dji the drone gods. 😆
Honestly bro, you're the only person I trust.
You have not steered me wrong once and you've always said what I was thinking.
I appreciate that Dan. Truth matters
I’m not sure if I follow the “physical” explanation but I agree in the conclusion. Cinewhoops are not 5” freestyle drones…
DJI has years of experience and has done huge amounts of research on drone design. this drone is fine if you use it for what it was designed. great video.
Do you think the same problem is for the new avata 2?
With all you said being really true it’s still ridiculous that it falls of the sky. I was flying bricks so heavy that hovering was done at 3/4 of a throttle and every tumble on a complete joke of tuning was recoverable to some extent- well at least sticks were not dying. Back in the days when it all started almost every drone had that design with heavy battery on top, but fcs were not going into unresponsive mode because of a tumble. Physics are physics- agreed but all it has to do to recover is do a roll flip towards the tumble then hover. DJI has to do their homework.
For sure. However our quads had Betaflight or cleanflight firmware.
Dji firmware is probably good but imo for freestyle not as acro smooth by any means. Also no PID tuning. It’s hard to beat an F7 with Betaflight.
You are exactly right! I had a blast flying mines today slowly threw and around stuff today.
My Avata tumbled down 3 times last weekend :(
Glad it's still alive. Guess I'll cut out parts of the prop guards (except the parts with the antennas) to get rid of the tumbling problem - at least a little. And trying to avoid those manoeuvres.
Or I switch from motorcycle videos to real estate ;)
Great video very informative. It's great to hear from experience pilot. I'm only beginner so this kind of information are very useful. Thank you for sharing. It save me a lot of trouble.
Kind regards Orim 👍😎
I have been interested in purchasing that drone as my first drone. Great info to know about, but also keeps making my decision harder as well.
Now that I've seen the video, I remember that I had this with my Cvatar Cinewhoop "Tank" back when I was a beginner and thought I could fly freestyle with it. That was the reason I ordered the replacement drone package. XD Thanks for that. Well explained.
A much needed explanation! Funny how it's all fun and games and when the drone crashes, it's the drone's fault
Great informative video Justin! New Sub here!💪
Wow so much info thanks! Just hit the subscribe button as you have so much info in your content. Thanks man!
man i got the avata as my first fpv drone, practiced in the simulator for over 10 hours, went and flew it in a field and it was like i never had done manual practice before. wrecked three times. went to youtube and found this video and jeez, I'm considering sending back this drone. Do you recommend a good drone for beginner fpv pilots to practice with to learn manual?
Thanks for the heads up on the cause of this ‘tumble’. Awesome 👍
Only one I see with a logical explanation as to why this is happening to Avata owners. Great video Camps!
Thanks! Yes logical. And with years of knowledge behind the facts!
@@dronecamps facts!! Hope you stay on top of this and keep posting video’s regarding Avata. Keep grinding brother!
You may want to check out OriginaldoBo and Mads Tech for explanation of the what is causing the issue.
Also, I’ve experienced it but was able to prevent a crash by quickly hitting the brake button.
Thanks!
Yw man
Thanks so much Justin. I have my Avatar on order. I really appreciate the honest info!
Please use my link bro!
What speed is slow or too fast?
Depends on the wind. And wind shear.
Nice job . tanks for the vidéo good info
Great information Justin and thank you 👍🤟🇺🇸🇵🇹
Always honest and useful information.
I started with a Phantom 1, many more DJI drones after that. I'm a good pilot but never flown FPV, is it worth it? Very interested.
You’re exactly right. We’ve been having issues with flight controllers and prop guards since the days of the phantom 1. The cineloop is no different. Super small frame prop guards and under powered motors make it 100% ready for the flight controller to lose control past its tilt ratio threshold. And ladies and gentlemen you have a crash.
Yes Absolutely fpv is the way my friend you will love it.
I’ve never experienced tumble on any of my cinewhops only time was with a bad fc
You’re not flying or turning fast enough.
@@dronecamps I can send you some dvr footage if want
@@dronecamps the avata dose have like 200g on my cinewhops and like you said the battery position but still I don’t think a 600 dollar cinewhoop should fall outta the sky that easy.
Hi , What the name of the cinewhoop that you grab on @6:52 ?
Thanks, mate; good to know stuff.
ok - well that explains it, if the guards are removed and someone 3d printed a mount for the antenna so they are not dangling, I wonder if it would fly great or still have the tumble?
Very honest and fair assessment if you ask me, but you didn't so I told you anyway.
Justin. Excellent recap applying your knowledge and plethora of FPV experience regarding the Avata tumble issues others have reported. I think what is often overlooked that flyers as well as critics need to keep in mind, is that the Avata and DJI's first edition FPV are hybrid drones: cinematic, GPS and Bells and Whistles capable. They are not in the same class of FPV custom built drones that can perform bat sh_t crazy maneuvers you, Joshua Bardwell as well as others can do. When flyers try to make the Avata perform extreme acro and freestyle, that's when they crash and for all the reasons you mentioned in this RUclips video, which is excellent. I mainly do drone image photography with my first drone being the Phantom 1 which I still have and fly occasionally to keep the battery alive. Since 2013, I've accumulated a mini squadron of various DJI drones including the Matrice 30T and am 107 certified. Having watched a ton of drone RUclips videos over the years (including yours), it seems like there are two style of drone pilots: DJI types and FPV types. DJI's Avata and first edition FPV drone are hybrids. With 2700 Marine and Navy helo flight hours, I wouldn't expect to fly my last helo, a Sikorsky MH-53E like a Cobra..... If I did, I'd definitely crash and burn. Keep up the excellent RUclips videos! Semper Fly, Dave in Morro Bay.
Brothers in flight 🇺🇸 thanks for that heli comment it made me 🤣 so cool you were a heli pilot 👨✈️ I respect all military ☑️🇺🇸☑️🇺🇸
What’s the other drone you were showing that’s got the prop guards? Please drop in a reply… I’d love to get it.
Are you sure it's prop guard? If it were problematic for airflow would they use a tube on jet engines? I would have thought a venturi effect through propgurads would clean up the airflow if anything. Sounds more like the flight controller is getting overwhelmed no?
It’s a combination of both here. ☝🏻👍🏻
110% agree with everything said! Loving this CineWhoop but to many flying it like a true freestyle quad. It’s that simple. Most seem to crash 💥 in “manual mode” (max speed 60.39mph)…which is a huge jump from sports mode (max speed 31.31 mph) or slower yet normal mode (max speed 17.89 mph). Then add in “quick turns” and it’s a recipe for disaster. Personally, would not fly this quad in anything nearing 20mph or higher (even 15mph) starts to get sketchy. Again..nicely said! 😎👍
Ya, if you have flown cinewhoops you would know they have their niche where they fly well and when it's time to grab a freestyle rig.
Most haven’t.
Just quick question: Is it possible to tumble in sport mode with the motion controller? As I understand its possible in windy weather.
Yes it is possible
Drone,good morning! really perfect -=))
Been wondering what was happening to people. Personally I built my drone to fly acro so I'm really glad I went with a freestyle 5 inch. But I was genuinely curious about this and your explanation was great.
Makes Sense thanks for the info.
Yw
Great info!
If we change motors with Axis's motors, it's will be help it to not tremble ?
Axis is sending some for me to test. Stay tuned FC
@@dronecamps Oh ! I'm waiting your review
Never heard the term "tumble" in the FPV community before this video, at least for this definition. You are defining yaw/prop wash (at least in the terminology used by the FPV community).
I’m the fpv community we call it:
- Tumble
- Wash out
- Flip of death
- FC freak out
Good advice. 👍
Great advice, bud!
Great informative video....
i’ve been on the fence about that thing now i’m secured gonna stick to traditional cine whoops
Very good information has happened to me several times but I have been able to recover it.
I own the Avata and I have been flying mountains and doing cliff dives with it I have experienced a tumble with it during a cliff dive at the bottom of the dive when I started to make the transition from a verticle dive to a fairly gentle right turn while pulling out of the dive I experienced tumble fortunately the software update dji pushed to fix this issue saved my drone it switched from manual to normal mode stopping in a hover about 20 or 30 feet off the ground so in my case the new programming fix worked as designed I have also made the mistake of not paying attention to my flightpath and letting the mountain top get between me and the drone causing a total disconnect from the radio transmitter I thought for sure my drone was gone forever but I just waited like 20 seconds or so and I got back video feed and connection with the transmitter and was able to fly the drone back to me I have also experienced a wierd oscillation in the roll axis when flying straight in a slight dive a wierd side to side rocking motion but all in all it has performed flawlessly.
HI
great advice, No M for me.
Thats why i still have it
Cheers
Thank you for the Truth Appreciate it much. Keeping it Real Deal
Justin, you da man! Thanks for the explanations to this phenomena. And I love Ken's term known as "WHACRO." To me it's basically all about having the right drone/kwad tool for the right job! Keep skoolin us Justin! 😉👍🏽
Nice video, and helpful to know. What was that other caged cinewhoop you showed at 6:54?
Wow, this explanation is in-depth and on point. Great job! 🔥💪
This is really informative.
I was freaking out and wanted to send it back. Seems it is normal behavior? Good to know
It’s just how this thing flies at times. Hope they can update soon
Good stuff 👍
Ive said it before this is why I wait to buy ..... great video thank you.
Avoid the shitty scammer saying you won. Lol. What a jerk!
so the Dji Fpv is better against tumbling
Yes
Im a total noob when it comes to cinawoops and FPV. How do i avoid this tumble? Havent had it yet but want to know what to avoid?
Best to avoid cliffs and windy days. Or hard turns over water. Fly safe!
@@dronecamps thanks bro. I appreciate the info. Totally sub'ed.
Good to know exactly avata made for ❤
Thanks for this info! My Avata is due to be delivered as we speak, but now you've got me worried. I have flown both homebuilt and rtf cinewhoops and only use them as a flying camera in smaller spaces (low and slow). I never fly in acro mode. I have a DJI FPV drone and have enjoyed flying it through obstacle courses or forests, and for making videos of other RC planes (air to air video). If one never goes into "manual/acro" mode with the Avata, and never flies in over 10 mph winds, are they still going to experience the issues you talk about in this video? Thanks.
Thanks! Well to your question ; it depends. So many factors. Honestly it can happen anywhere
If you fly it like the fpv drone you will experience tumble you can fly it in acro/manual mode just don't turn aggressively and you should be fine I have experienced tumble with the avata 3 or 4 times by flying to aggressively in manual mode but in my case dji's tumble fix worked every time I probably only have about 20 flights or so under my belt with the Avata but I'm very pleased with its performance it could however use more powerful motors I think.
with this tumble thing issue situation, is the issue when you fly it in manual mode only? or it can happen when you're flying in Sport or normal mode?
It can happen in any mode. Tumble phenomenon has factors of risk that start with : HIGH SPEED, ANGLE of TILT, WIND, and Flight Controller GYRO Threshold being maxxed out. Even a sudden gust of wind can make it tumble. This is a characteristic of virtually all cinewhoops we fly. Almost no cinewhoop does not have tumble. It's the nature of the design. DJI knows this but is trying to resolve it. I'm afraid a firmware update will help it by reducing gains. But it will be an issue as long as this drone flies.
@@dronecamps Hi Justin;
I echo everyone’s comments regarding the great information, because I’m also in the process of getting one!
It’s good to hear that DJI is aware of it and will be doing something about it!
Cheers 🥂
Sam, DJI "Doing something about" well that will be questionable.
Although ;
I have huge faith in DJI. But for 5 years we have been testing these type of drones "cinewhoops" from scratch built ones to bind and fly. Not so far have not had this type of "tumble" somewhere in the flying it in acro mode. It can also happen in stability "N" mode and "S" modes. A firmware update may help "smooth" it out but you will lose some of the acro "manual mode" performance.
This quad is better not flown in manual mode in my opinion.
--- more Manual mode testing in the next video.
- Subscribe and stay tuned my friend. - Kindly, Justin Davis.
@@dronecamps Hi Justin,
Thanks for the quick reply and the detailed explanation.
My intention is to fly in manual mode only in close proximity like any of my other quads and Normal for more cinematic shots and some indoors flying on a rainy day!
I’m a subscriber to your channel and watch a lot of your videos, but mostly those related to FPV and GPS quads like the DJI ones.
All the best to you as well!
Thnx,
Sam
@@samavella8831 Hey Sam, when people talk about flying indoors, most of them are doing some kind of real estate work. I don't think you'd really want to fly this big drone indoors, for fun. Just something to think about.
Or maybe you live in a 20,000 square foot mansion with high ceilings. 🤷
And yes it doesnt perform well in wind , calm or a very slight breeze conditions are best.
Every drone has a limitation. This word needs to get out there. Know your drone before pushing it to the limit.
I imagine that suffers a lot of prop-wash too, I'm not sure how feasible is to do sharp 180 degrees turns or dives with it but I bet it would end up into its airflow with that weight and likely crash
Encountered a brief glitch to the right myself in S mode and this was no wind problem for sure. I do not think you are right on the reason about what the Avata suffers from. I am pretty sure. This seems to be more a rare glitch of the flight stabilization software.
Bro. 😂
Good day for kite = Bad day for drone
Good info to known i just got the avata and it super fun but each drone there limitation that for sure
Great info. I was looking for better rates since I got the tumble when diving down which I am not used to on my standard FPV drones. BUT it´s actually the same challenge you have when diving with a BetaFPV 75 HD I realise after looking at the video.
Yep. Totally the same animal just larger and heavier. Some of the tinnier whoops have better power to weight ratio.
great info Justin am enjoyin avata and yes evenn as a newbie fpv fllyer i have noticed not enoughh power in wind unless close too ground used to fly Pavo 30 hd before and learned pusher drones very stable but are definately for low flyin explorers and these crashers are well aware of this and passing bad info to new fpv flyers mostly for attention my guess
Thank u for this
Damn, so that was the problem i have got the last time. I didn't crash my drone but i have got a "tumble " in a turn. I was turning very strong around a tree and the drone in a moment started tumbling and falling instantly, but somehow i was able to recover it and saved the crash...
Nice video 👍
Mine did almost same thing, in sport mode with the motion control. I was using head tracking and I was flying in a strait line and a bird flew by I turned my head real quick cuz a bird flew by. And it seemed like it rolled in mid air. DJI said was my fault
when doing whackro lol i can make the avata death roll on command on the throttle with hard left or right with pitch and yaw will do it every time takes about 5 to 10 feet to recover that said.
In my opinion the center sensitivity is to hot makes and it worse iv found lowering the center sensitivity on roll to 130 pitch to 100 and yaw to 70 not only makes the quad much smother but has less tendency to death roll it still will tho.
also don't fly with motion controller inside or under any thing like a parking garage it will do the drunken monkey and crash.
i haver a great video of it doing just that on dji discord
Thanks for this video please keep it coming!!!
I guess that the Avata is not a new version of the DJI FPV because, in my opinion, there is two totally different purpose then.
Excellent advice for someone (we won't mention names) who has never done a whoop of any kind and has been digging around about this one. I'll make sure to pass this on to me...ummmm...him.
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Man that totally makes sense
It unfortunately does :/