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Whenever I play a video from this series, I get the sudden sensation of imagining a world where programming like this was common on TV. Obviously not Earth.
So interesting to hear Dr Banerji talking about the relationship of Buddhist philosophy and Upanishads. And the movement from mythic to mental rational modes in that period. We need more of this!!! Thank you.
Nice interview, I did some research on these texts, I like em. "Anyone who worships a divinity other than the self is called a domestic animal of the gods in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad."
Was thinking about religions today - actually how some at least began with a core of beauty, of love. Now it's a panorama: slivers of God(s) in different places with too many people insisting their shard needs to go on top. Maybe it could be a kaleidoscope instead. ✨
has anybody had an oneiric experience with this one? about 28 mins in, when i'm telling the story of the parable of the dogs and i say the words of the dog, "teach me o master," it seems as if a dog barks something that could be the dog-equivalent of "teach me o master." it can be explained no doubt in material terms, but if you hear it, i'll be interested if you felt it was an evocative simulation of a dog's bark.
It's there, all right. When I looked up 'oneiric', it said "relating to dreams or dreaming." What significance do you place on this synchronicity, and why did you call it oneiric?
This is brilliant enlightened thinking. Thank you Jeff and Deb for sharing your beautiful conversations with us. I pray I meet you and pay my respects in this lifetime. ❤
I've listened to this twice, and so shall it be thrice. As a student of Buddhism, & history, it's fascinating to hear the how-and-what went-on before it all began. Ladies & gentlemen, this is a a fascinating story, and it's a wonderful retelling!
This was great so many Gems of wisdom! "Let us learn to let go, to not allow ourselves to be overwhelmed by the circumstances and conditions of this world. Let us constantly remember that at the heart of ourselves, as at the heart of all human beings, there forever stands a silent and watchful guardian: the Master Within." Christian Bernard Same as the Atman I think but from a Western philosophy. I guess it's ok to mix and match since at the bottom of the well they all say the same thing. Nothing but love!!!
Yes! I believe, or even know that there are other dimensions that our wonderful and amazing human minds can contact when we develop that like, through meditation, contemplation and learning these higher thoughts (as found in the upanishads) 😊.
One of my universal historical memory I enter remembering me being an Indian even my look my skin color and I see and feel experiencing myself in Indian physical body ,O my God manana armenian translation is the thing that heals We Jane even a herb name manana . 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
That's interesting. Especially if it was spontaneous vs regression hypnosis. (Not saying the latter isn't legit.) My only past life memory is from an old recurring dream. Dramatic death - drowning in flood sans sense of ethnicity, locale or even gender.
Dihyana? I don’t know this word. Is this cognate with jnana ? I studied Sanskrit in graduate school. Hindu and Buddhist philosophy were the most brilliant and insightful systems of thought I have come across in my long life. And I have to share Mahavira’s idea of anekanta which seems identical to nietzsche’s perspectivism.
If we can take the words and translate of different languages and the linguists will come together only we can learn a lot we’ll not fight and start understanding the letters words meaning and their influence of the mechanisms of this body and can change the program 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
The Upanishads were composed by Rishis who were householders. There were no Yathi contribution to these compositions. The greatest misconception is that the Vedas and the Upanishads were for the commonman. Upanishads were always meet for the miniscule number of people who are seekers and have the intellect for it. This is true for the present times as well.
About having intellect that can be a paradoxical statement. You could be one that has superior intellect that would reject all religious beliefs. My perception of what they would look for is one that has balance of intellect and creativity, as from what i have seen the most intelligent had a balance between both hemispheres of the brain. As we see for example de vinci that was both a scientist and a artist
Intelligence really cannot be defined if you really look at it. I think this is the intelligence you speak of, not trying to sound like a mr. Know it all lol, but i think you'll understand what im trying to say.
Folks here have probably heard of this already, but there's a channeled text, formatted as Q & A, entitled 'The Law of One', AKA the 'Ra material'. Tho a tad jaded re: channelers, new age 'must reads', etc., I find both Light and gravitas in the bits I've read. Your post reminded me of its beginning... 'Ra' identifies as a collective, an entity, actually, comprised of many thousands of advanced (highly vibrational) souls. The first question asked if they'd ever contacted Earth before. They replied that they'd visited during the time of the Pharaohs. They described, albeit briefly, how they brought wisdom/ teaching to the sages at court, but that the powers at the time thought all such knowledge was to remain in the hands/minds of the elite. Since this was the antithesis of their core message - a complex, but admirable, text, imo - Ra decided to withdraw from the Earth plane, at least in the physical form. Two compelling footnotes, fwiw : 1) A similar collective visited the Americas at the same time - with nearly identical outcome. 2) Ra calmly told how the pyramids in both locations were built, implying it was solely via intention/telepathy.
Very much appreciate this interview, so I just had to comment. I'm wondering where the statue is? There's a vase of roses instead. Anyway, thanks for postin!
For an excellent teaching on Advaita Vedanta, the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and much else, see The Vedanta Society of New York's Swami Sarvapriyananda. He has many videos on YT. Beware the rogues who take his talks, and recycle them with catchy titles with many ads all through. Vedanta Society do not monetise their videos.
🙏So great to learn other cultures information about life library philosophical thoughts of different religions literature based information .So interesting we can bring out the ancient knowledge about the life of that times the secrets of the new (old lost thinking new living way of translation of this reality .We Armenians have the same root of language Sanskrit ,we are a separate branch hindouropean family of linguistic world 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
I noticed that no mention was made in this conversation to the essential (to us all) aspect of gender relations during the Vedic times. Dr. Shruti Vip argues that as time went on the Vedic culture became increasingly misogynist (eg. Laws of Manu), and employed absolutely horrifying levels of violence to control (and terrify) women. The presentation here is all about the 'progress' of intellectual thought from the Rig Veda to the Upanishads, but what was happening in the culture, particularly between men and women, and between the 'castes'?
This particular discussion is centered around the Upanishads which are dated roughly between 1000 BCE to 500 BCE. Manu-samhita is a product of much later date around 200 -300 CE, hence in the discussion of Upanishads as a text and the society of that time, Manu-samhita is irrelevant. Some examples of gender relation can be found in Upanishads, for example in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there are extensive conversations between the sage Yajnavalka and his wife Maitreyi on matters of spirituality and philosophy, which may point to the fact that such philosophical discourse was not a monopoly of men at that time. On the topic of castes, Vedas and Upnanishads do mention about 'Varna' system based on abilities of men, however birth-based rigid 'Varna' system seems to be a product of much later time (200-500 CE ) which was further sub-divided between "Jatis' as the category of labours were further solidified based on birth and ancestral profession.
@@anitkm08 Thank you for taking the time to respond to my query; I really appreciate the information you have shared with me. I am still trying to sort out all of this in my head, and am particularly interested in learning about when patriarchal thinking and practices really came to the fore. From what I have learned so far, it seems that from the beginning of Vedic times onward there was a slow and steady process of taking away women's participation in ceremonies, and then basic freedoms (to visit her family, etc). I like the point you include about the conversation between the sage and his wife. These points about gender are what I was hoping to hear more about in this discussion.
@@devidaughter7782 You are welcome. The history of gradual reduction of rights of women is quite complex and does not always follow a linear path, instead has many ups and downs in the process depending on which part of India one belongs to. I can suggest books written in English by some authors like Altekar, Kumbhare, on this subject which deals with the chronological history. Though some of the best works on this subject were done in Indian languages, e.g. Sukumari Bhattacharya's seminal book in Bengali, but I am not aware of any decent translation in English of this book.
@@anitkm08 yes, I am realizing that none of this is as simple or black and white as I initially perceive it to be. When I heard about the Aryans celebrating the capture of women (and cattle) from their raids, as well as sacrificing horses, I was appalled. How could this be the same people who produced the 'language of the gods'? Learning of their violent ways has made it very hard for me to feel respect toward them and the literature they left behind. Yet I know that the same pattern exists in the stories that I grew up with, from the Old Testament. The ancient Israelites also believed in a god who sanctioned the use of violence to dominate the goddess-worshipping societies around them. Yet this Hebrew society also created great religious literature. So in many ways it is the same. Thank you for hearing me and for participating with me in this (public) conversation. I believe its important to be honest about the 'shadow side' of our cherished religious traditions, whatever they might be, and that its possible to be respectful and critical at the same time.
@@devidaughter7782 It is always a pleasure to engage in a civilized conversation. While appreciating the great intellectual and spiritual works of our ancestors, we must keep in mind the following points - 1. The world of Vedas and Testaments are 3000-4000 years old where the human society was essentially divided into tribes and hence fierce tribalism was witnessed in every part. 2. Just because the Vedas are works of high intellect, we can not expect that all individuals at that time possessed that same high intellect and spirituality. Just like today's society, during those times also there were intellectual class which were often separated from the warriors and traders and common masses. Therefore just like the great and noble works of present-day philosophers, writers, scientists do not necessarily negate the fact that there is tremendous violence in today's world, the same is applicable for our ancestors as well. Therefore the literature should be judged based on the high level of sophistication that was achieved in those primitive society which should make us appreciate more deeply the intellectual class of that era. At least that's the way I view these literature.
Christian Trinity and Christology are irreducible paradoxes to be meditated upon. Heresies are all efforts to make these Mysteries more rational. This is ususlly missed
what short of dimension do you acquire when out of the supposed sure normal or opposite thought? do you live it in a short of way with your mind,fantasy or consciousness i wonder like me?? is it solid in your mind or etherial ??do you reckon you existed in that dimension forever,or was it something from the past,e.g a grand guilt that stuck you to that dimension of no matter but sensing it as a real unwanted place you were forever???and of course your thought struggles to get out because it doesnt believe in cause in there every wrong thought or neologism becomes logical and unavoidable??and what the hell is this darkness you re stuck into ,just hyberbolic thought of fear??or may be the infinite universe somewhere in the void??not imagining hell as darkness of course a priori,take it 2019 scientifically;) also what about the light of dying people who come back and never allowed to enter,does it enter heaven or the darkness too you reckon?
why he compared Buddhism came from upanishad similar to Christianity came from Judaism. everyone knows the bible was developed by the rulers of rome and the stories was copied from other teachings to fit the needs to control
Jeffrey, I appreciate your thirst of knowledge, but Mr Bannerjee is a Western mindset commentator..if you need to really understand Vedas and Upanishads, you need to speak to not the scholars but the practitioners, who actually use the philosophy in the practice of their life.
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Hey Jeffery, can you get Debashish Banerjee again on your show to discuss more about Indian texts / Vedic literature
Whenever I play a video from this series, I get the sudden sensation of imagining a world where programming like this was common on TV. Obviously not Earth.
So interesting to hear Dr Banerji talking about the relationship of Buddhist philosophy and Upanishads. And the movement from mythic to mental rational modes in that period. We need more of this!!! Thank you.
Nice interview, I did some research on these texts, I like em. "Anyone who worships a divinity other than the self is called a domestic animal of the gods in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad."
Was thinking about religions today - actually how some at least began with a core of beauty, of love.
Now it's a panorama: slivers of God(s) in different places with too many people insisting their shard needs to go on top.
Maybe it could be a kaleidoscope instead.
✨
has anybody had an oneiric experience with this one? about 28 mins in, when i'm telling the story of the parable of the dogs and i say the words of the dog, "teach me o master," it seems as if a dog barks something that could be the dog-equivalent of "teach me o master." it can be explained no doubt in material terms, but if you hear it, i'll be interested if you felt it was an evocative simulation of a dog's bark.
Yes, I heard a double-bark at that point, too ... a canine evp. Pretty cool!!
It's there, all right. When I looked up 'oneiric', it said "relating to dreams or dreaming." What significance do you place on this synchronicity, and why did you call it oneiric?
Totally! That's funny. Om. Fascinating exposition.
michael flanagan, the incursion of a dream reality into the waking state.
I hear something at 27:48 and also something resembling barking at the place you mention.
This is brilliant enlightened thinking. Thank you Jeff and Deb for sharing your beautiful conversations with us. I pray I meet you and pay my respects in this lifetime. ❤
Great interview again with Debashish Banerji...Thanks to both of you. Hope he comes back on the Isha Upanishad.
Tat tvam asi...Brahman Mishlove
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yeah Brahman Mishlove -_¬ poetic
I've listened to this twice, and so shall it be thrice.
As a student of Buddhism, & history, it's fascinating to hear the how-and-what went-on before it all began.
Ladies & gentlemen, this is a a fascinating story, and it's a wonderful retelling!
This was great so many Gems of wisdom! "Let us learn to let go, to not allow ourselves to be overwhelmed by the circumstances and conditions of this world. Let us constantly remember that at the heart of ourselves, as at the heart of all human beings, there forever stands a silent and watchful guardian: the Master Within." Christian Bernard
Same as the Atman I think but from a Western philosophy. I guess it's ok to mix and match since at the bottom of the well they all say the same thing. Nothing but love!!!
Thank you Jeffrey and Debashish, every replay of this and all other of programs increases good Karma
Probably one of the most engaging and enriching conversations I have ever heard
Doc, great that you reposted this man. I am reviewing and enjoying all of his and your discussions.
Yes! I believe, or even know that there are other dimensions that our wonderful and amazing human minds can contact when we develop that like, through meditation, contemplation and learning these higher thoughts (as found in the upanishads) 😊.
One of my universal historical memory I enter remembering me being an Indian even my look my skin color and I see and feel experiencing myself in Indian physical body ,O my God manana armenian translation is the thing that heals We Jane even a herb name manana . 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
That's interesting. Especially if it was spontaneous vs regression hypnosis. (Not saying the latter isn't legit.)
My only past life memory is from an old recurring dream. Dramatic death - drowning in flood sans sense of ethnicity, locale or even gender.
I love this! Thank you to both of you for making this great information available
Jeffrey, so glad to hear you include Pierre Grimes and Plato in this interview.
Fwiw, he's done several interviews w/Dr. G.
I love that human.
Aum punam ada purnam idam.... Love this stuff! Thank you Dr Banerji and Dr Mishlove. Can't get enough....:-)
Happy to bring here
Than you for these discussions with Dr. Banerji- they are answering my questions.
Great, interesting, engaging conversation worthy of reviewing and rewatching
Take my bow guruji banerji and jeff 🙇 🙏🇳🇵🇺🇸💕🌍💫
Dihyana? I don’t know this word. Is this cognate with jnana ? I studied Sanskrit in graduate school. Hindu and Buddhist philosophy were the most brilliant and insightful systems of thought I have come across in my long life.
And I have to share Mahavira’s idea of anekanta which seems identical to nietzsche’s perspectivism.
If we can take the words and translate of different languages and the linguists will come together only we can learn a lot we’ll not fight and start understanding the letters words meaning and their influence of the mechanisms of this body and can change the program 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Fantastic interview
Very insightful interview.
The Upanishads were composed by Rishis who were householders. There were no Yathi contribution to these compositions. The greatest misconception is that the Vedas and the Upanishads were for the commonman. Upanishads were always meet for the miniscule number of people who are seekers and have the intellect for it. This is true for the present times as well.
About having intellect that can be a paradoxical statement. You could be one that has superior intellect that would reject all religious beliefs. My perception of what they would look for is one that has balance of intellect and creativity, as from what i have seen the most intelligent had a balance between both hemispheres of the brain. As we see for example de vinci that was both a scientist and a artist
Intelligence really cannot be defined if you really look at it. I think this is the intelligence you speak of, not trying to sound like a mr. Know it all lol, but i think you'll understand what im trying to say.
Folks here have probably heard of this already, but
there's a channeled text, formatted as Q & A, entitled 'The Law of One', AKA the 'Ra material'. Tho a tad jaded re: channelers, new age 'must reads', etc., I find both Light and gravitas in the bits I've read. Your post reminded me of its beginning...
'Ra' identifies as a collective, an entity, actually, comprised of many thousands of advanced (highly vibrational) souls. The first question asked if they'd ever contacted Earth before. They replied that they'd visited during the time of the Pharaohs.
They described, albeit briefly, how they brought wisdom/ teaching to the sages at court, but that the powers at the time thought all such knowledge was to remain in the hands/minds of the elite.
Since this was the antithesis of their core message - a complex, but admirable, text, imo - Ra decided to withdraw from the Earth plane, at least in the physical form.
Two compelling footnotes, fwiw
:
1) A similar collective visited the Americas at the same time - with nearly identical outcome.
2) Ra calmly told how the pyramids in both locations were built, implying it was solely via intention/telepathy.
@@robothug6688 I realize you're addressing someone else, but 💯. 😊
Very much appreciate this interview, so I just had to comment. I'm wondering where the statue is? There's a vase of roses instead. Anyway, thanks for postin!
That’s why we were all separated not to debate 😇 information 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
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Thank you so much for sharing this conversation with us.
thank you very much
For an excellent teaching on Advaita Vedanta, the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and much else, see The Vedanta Society of New York's Swami Sarvapriyananda. He has many videos on YT. Beware the rogues who take his talks, and recycle them with catchy titles with many ads all through. Vedanta Society do not monetise their videos.
Adding to that you can get videos of acharya prashant on YT who has good quality understanding of upanishads. Hindi and english both.
@@satya_te_pratijane thank you
No one owns Veda kr vendanta. Whichever society you are talking also doesn't constitute true teachings.
Another great interview ... thank you Drs ...
More please :]
Thanks, this was enjoyable.
Does this guy have any lectures on the vedas? Im interested.
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We need new words explaining new thinks like logo centric ,Love that Word🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Awesome!
Note that they didn't think the earth was the centre of the universe.
Yes I did hear a sound similar to that of a dog's bark.
🙏So great to learn other cultures information about life library philosophical thoughts of different religions literature based information .So interesting we can bring out the ancient knowledge about the life of that times the secrets of the new (old lost thinking new living way of translation of this reality .We Armenians have the same root of language Sanskrit ,we are a separate branch hindouropean family of linguistic world 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
@ 4:50 something floats downward from top of left hand side of the screen!?!?!
Hello, does anyone know where I can buy Upanishad's by Dr Dean Brown?
www.prs.org/store/p143/The_Upanishads___%28Paperback%29__0-89314-845-8.html
I noticed that no mention was made in this conversation to the essential (to us all) aspect of gender relations during the Vedic times. Dr. Shruti Vip argues that as time went on the Vedic culture became increasingly misogynist (eg. Laws of Manu), and employed absolutely horrifying levels of violence to control (and terrify) women. The presentation here is all about the 'progress' of intellectual thought from the Rig Veda to the Upanishads, but what was happening in the culture, particularly between men and women, and between the 'castes'?
This particular discussion is centered around the Upanishads which are dated roughly between 1000 BCE to 500 BCE. Manu-samhita is a product of much later date around 200 -300 CE, hence in the discussion of Upanishads as a text and the society of that time, Manu-samhita is irrelevant. Some examples of gender relation can be found in Upanishads, for example in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there are extensive conversations between the sage Yajnavalka and his wife Maitreyi on matters of spirituality and philosophy, which may point to the fact that such philosophical discourse was not a monopoly of men at that time. On the topic of castes, Vedas and Upnanishads do mention about 'Varna' system based on abilities of men, however birth-based rigid 'Varna' system seems to be a product of much later time (200-500 CE ) which was further sub-divided between "Jatis' as the category of labours were further solidified based on birth and ancestral profession.
@@anitkm08 Thank you for taking the time to respond to my query; I really appreciate the information you have shared with me. I am still trying to sort out all of this in my head, and am particularly interested in learning about when patriarchal thinking and practices really came to the fore. From what I have learned so far, it seems that from the beginning of Vedic times onward there was a slow and steady process of taking away women's participation in ceremonies, and then basic freedoms (to visit her family, etc).
I like the point you include about the conversation between the sage and his wife. These points about gender are what I was hoping to hear more about in this discussion.
@@devidaughter7782 You are welcome. The history of gradual reduction of rights of women is quite complex and does not always follow a linear path, instead has many ups and downs in the process depending on which part of India one belongs to. I can suggest books written in English by some authors like Altekar, Kumbhare, on this subject which deals with the chronological history. Though some of the best works on this subject were done in Indian languages, e.g. Sukumari Bhattacharya's seminal book in Bengali, but I am not aware of any decent translation in English of this book.
@@anitkm08 yes, I am realizing that none of this is as simple or black and white as I initially perceive it to be. When I heard about the Aryans celebrating the capture of women (and cattle) from their raids, as well as sacrificing horses, I was appalled. How could this be the same people who produced the 'language of the gods'? Learning of their violent ways has made it very hard for me to feel respect toward them and the literature they left behind.
Yet I know that the same pattern exists in the stories that I grew up with, from the Old Testament. The ancient Israelites also believed in a god who sanctioned the use of violence to dominate the goddess-worshipping societies around them. Yet this Hebrew society also created great religious literature. So in many ways it is the same.
Thank you for hearing me and for participating with me in this (public) conversation. I believe its important to be honest about the 'shadow side' of our cherished religious traditions, whatever they might be, and that its possible to be respectful and critical at the same time.
@@devidaughter7782 It is always a pleasure to engage in a civilized conversation. While appreciating the great intellectual and spiritual works of our ancestors, we must keep in mind the following points - 1. The world of Vedas and Testaments are 3000-4000 years old where the human society was essentially divided into tribes and hence fierce tribalism was witnessed in every part. 2. Just because the Vedas are works of high intellect, we can not expect that all individuals at that time possessed that same high intellect and spirituality. Just like today's society, during those times also there were intellectual class which were often separated from the warriors and traders and common masses. Therefore just like the great and noble works of present-day philosophers, writers, scientists do not necessarily negate the fact that there is tremendous violence in today's world, the same is applicable for our ancestors as well. Therefore the literature should be judged based on the high level of sophistication that was achieved in those primitive society which should make us appreciate more deeply the intellectual class of that era. At least that's the way I view these literature.
Christian Trinity and Christology are irreducible paradoxes to be meditated upon. Heresies are all efforts to make these Mysteries more rational. This is ususlly missed
I thought heresy was trying to make them more universal. 😊
24:10
what short of dimension do you acquire when out of the supposed sure normal or opposite thought? do you live it in a short of way with your mind,fantasy or consciousness i wonder like me??
is it solid in your mind or etherial ??do you reckon you existed in that dimension forever,or was it something from the past,e.g a grand guilt that stuck you to that dimension of no matter but sensing it as a real unwanted place you were forever???and of course your thought struggles to get out because it doesnt believe in cause in there every wrong thought or neologism becomes logical and unavoidable??and what the hell is this darkness you re stuck into ,just hyberbolic thought of fear??or may be the infinite universe somewhere in the void??not imagining hell as darkness of course a priori,take it 2019 scientifically;)
also what about the light of dying people who come back and never allowed to enter,does it enter heaven or the darkness too you reckon?
why he compared Buddhism came from upanishad similar to Christianity came from Judaism. everyone knows the bible was developed by the rulers of rome and the stories was copied from other teachings to fit the needs to control
Jeffrey, I appreciate your thirst of knowledge, but Mr Bannerjee is a Western mindset commentator..if you need to really understand Vedas and Upanishads, you need to speak to not the scholars but the practitioners, who actually use the philosophy in the practice of their life.
There's no western or eastern .. one who knows Brahman knows all.
Birds' eye views are often helpful to the uninitiated.