Considering the 35 likes this comment got, that might just happen someday! I think it might be easier to break it down into smaller categories and go more in depth within that category... or at least better for my personal sanity.
I own a pair of pivot 14 and a pair of griffons. At a 9 din I feel both are just right right for me. I fall into the range of the higher end bindings but there’s no need considering they are heavier and much more expensive. I like both of them and there are pros and cons to both. Having to put your ski back on in deep snow with a pivot is true pain that heel loves to get off center if it’s not lined up properly or it turns a bit while trying to step in. Griffon is easier in that respect but it does take more force to get in. The way the pivot is designed you can absolutely feel the whole ski flexing under foot while the griffon kind of gives more of a sturdy platform. Both have pros and cons in that respect. The pivots elastic travel is noticeable for type 3 and 3+ skiers there are times when you mess up a bit and you feel the heel in the pivot start to release, but you get yourself together and it sucks you right back in. It’s a pretty cool feeling. When I have released in pivots I couldn’t feel it happening which is not something I can say about the griffon. The pivot never pre released on me but I have had a situation where the toe on my griffon let go prematurely. I was basically at a complete stop looking for my next line and it just felt as though my binding just let go with zero effort. It wasn’t really a big deal I just skied down one mogul on my other ski grabbed it and put it back on. Still kinda weird and gave me some trust issues for a while. Haven’t had issues since tho so that’s a good thing. Marker bindings have the pro of being able to switch out brakes easily when switching the binding to another ski which really is a big plus compared to the pivot. I plan to keep both for a long while and I’m sure they will continue to serve me well. I think if you fall into the type 3 or 3+ skier range you should give pivots a try if you haven’t already. they are worth the money in my opinion.
This comparison video was MASSSIVELY helpful for me! I'm a long-time skier but a first-time buyer this year. Always did rentals as a tourist skier but did it plenty with my dad growing up. I've struggled to find good videos that compare the gear that I want to see but this channel's ski and binding reviews have been the pinnacle of comparative information. Thank you, deeply and truly.
Another helpful video, Jeff! I appreciate the time you took and the effort to make it. I learned a few things, so watching it was worth the time for me. Thank you, again! Happy holidays to you and the crew!
Thanks Sean! We're going to try to get out hands on the CAST system to do a direct comparison and/or a solo review as a lot of you have been asking about it.
I found better prices elsewhere online for my bindings....but bought them from Ski Essentials just because of these AWESOME review videos!!! yall are the best thank you so much!
There aren't really any bad bindings anymore. I tend to go with a past model year that is on deep discount and has a maximum DIN of at least 13. That sometimes means strange color combinations (like a blue and Orange Hart Fusion with Fischer FF Z17). I have had turntable heels in the past (Marker MRR on Dynamic VR27 SL DP) and didn't notice any difference over a standard heel setup.
Great review......one thing worth mentioning about the Tyrolia Attacks (other than the low stand height and wide toe piece) is that they are also very easy to step into. Useful in deeper snow. Some of the Marker bindings in particular can be harder to step into.
I have one other variable that many seem able to overcome: I'm super sensitive to ramp and prefer the low alpine toe height of the Pivot 15/18 which is 5mm lower than heel. The tall alpine AFD ped is 4mm higher so call it flat. The 12/14 toe, alpine setting, is only 2mm lower than the heel. I also get along well with a Salomon STH with the 6mm heel to toe drop. I just like talking about myself.
shift is finesse, duke pt 16 is POWERRRrrrrrr, spent the evning mounting duke pt 16's on revolt 121s... next to it on wall is BC120 with shift, win win Soo V 2.0 of this video is 3-4 hours? ;)
Yes! That's a perfect way to describe it. I'm going to put a Duke PT on something pretty similar! Might have to do a longer one based off all these comments... ;)
I have the attack 11's as a fairly intermediate skier (running 8 DIN at 170 lbs 6'0) and love them so far! no accidental pre-releases so far, and I like how stable and low they feel on faction agent 100s (100mm underfoot)
Really good binding for that ski! There's not a massive difference between the Attack 11 and 13, I think the Attack 11 is one of the best in that DIN range.
Hi there!!!! As always great vid! Just spent hours on you ski reviews. Sooooooo I just bought a pair of Black Crows Serpo, and it needs a good pair or bindings. When this video was posted, I'm not sure the Atomic/Salomon Strive 13 was on the market. Any thoughts if this would be a good match? I was also considering the Attack or Warden. I'm 5'-10", 180lbs, mainly on piste with all sort of snow conditions with the occasional off piste tracks. Thanks 🙏🏻
Hey Jonathan! Good eye! No, it wasn't yet on the market. It is, however, a great binding and one that I've grown quite fond of. I have a couple pairs of Strive 14s on personal skis and they've held up to everything I've dished out without issue. Go for it. Nice low stand height, good connection to your skis, should go nicely on the Serpo.
question - for those of us who need a DIN setting of between 7 and 10, what's the point or benefit of going beyond the Squire 11 or Attack 11 or even Look's NX 11 or SPX 10? based on the variety of online DIN calculators, i can't find many scenarios of a person needing much more than a 10. so, should we instead be buying a binding that STARTS just below our calculated DIN setting, or should we be in the middle of a binding's DIN range, or are we buying other things like features and durability (for when someone smacks into us or rides over top of our skis)? i mean, if I need a DIN of 8.5, then any binding that goes to 11 is fine, right?
Yeah, it's mostly a durability and longevity thing, but there's a bit of safety to it too. In my opinion, it's never good to max out the DIN range of a binding. I'm sure some would disagree, but I've seen settings like that result in some inconsistent release values when testing. I would say someone at a 7 DIN is likely going to be just fine on those 11 DIN bindings. Someone who skis a 10 DIN, on the other hand, shouldn't be skiing a Squire or an Attack 11, in my opinion. For you, at an 8.5 DIN, if you van build it into your budget, I would go to a 12, 13, or 14 DIN binding. It's going to perform a bit better, last a bit longer, and in theory, have more consistent release values. As a general rule, it's better to be near the middle of a DIN range than at either end of the range. I wish I could give you a more black and white answer, but there's a bit of subjectivity to it too. I (Jeff) use a DIN setting of 10. I've skied Attack 11s, Squires, and other low DIN bindings without catastrophic failure, but I don't like doing so and am constantly a little on edge.
@@SkiEssentials would it be more sensible in that case for a buyer to pick a binding that puts their own DIN towards the lower end of the available range? like, if someone's DIN is usually an 8, would it be more sensible for them to get a binding that goes 6-16 so that they have much more upper range as they progress and get better and more aggressive? or would you generally recommend not planning that far ahead (like, assume a new binding every 5 years anyways so no point over-buying today) also - slight tangent, would you be able to go into setting a different DIN for different ski/snow conditions, for the same user? like, if Bob has carving skis and powder skis and casual skis, would Bob set them all to the same DIN of 9, or would Bob alter the DIN based on what each ski is used for? your Bob or any Bob! :)
@@SkiEssentials @KraxTagg beside the fact that it’s quite heavy and that it makes transitions a little longer, it’s the only binding I trust to send big cliffs in the backcountry 🤙.
The extra ski flex you get from the pivot is actually really noticeable. I recently changed the bindings on my skis from the dynafit beast to the pivot and it made the tail so much more flexible, took some getting used to. At first I actually didn't really like it and thought the ski felt too soft but now I love it, makes the skis feel so much more lively.
In a blind test I doubt most people would be able to tell which alpine Bindings they are riding except for when it comes to the Look Pivot. But Bindings are about safety, feel, and control... then weight. I work at a shop and usually recommend the SPX and Pivot if your Need Priorities are performance and safety (Look toe pieces also release vertically for added elastic travel and safety). Put a Pivot on your most favoritest ski(s)/daily drivers; and put anything else you can get a deal on on the rest of your quiver/future hand-me-downs. Next recommendation are Bindings like the salmon/atomic warden because of it's multi-boot sole norm compatibility. Then it'll fit any of your, or, someone else's alpine boots for any reason.
Good video! When it came time to upgrade the skis for both myself and my daughter, I went with Look. Mostly, because I believe they are safer. As you say, I am sure the other bindings do release as designed, but Look bindings are designed to have additional vectors of release. The 180 degree release at the toe is a big deal. The turn table heal lowers the chance of tibia fractures. Throw in the excellent elastic travel, low stand height, and shorter footprint that allows better flex in the ski... well the competition has a way to go.
There's no question it gives you an incredible connection to your skis and allows for a very natural flex pattern. It's amazing to think how long that design has been around...
Yes, that's actually something I meant to include in this video. Maxing out the DIN range of a binding is never a good idea. If you chart to an 11 DIN, a Squire is no where near enough binding for you, at least that's my opinion.
Hey John! Would love to do a STH review. I have a pair of an Armada Declivity 92. Perhaps I'll do a deep dive review of that binding in the coming weeks.
@@SkiEssentials I am a big guy (6'3", 230#). I actually wore out a pair of Salomon bindings (metal fatigued both of them). I replaced them with the STH2 and they've been bulletproof.
The Rossi/Look pivot is the best binding. Why? It's shock absorbing capability, lateral and veritcal in the toe and vertical in the heel. Also the screw/mount pattern of the heel and toe are very close allowing for more of the ski's natural flex and counter flex. In most skiing we constantly develop shock so a binding with better/more shock travel will hold a good skier in more consistently and allows an aspiring skier to push a bit yet the pivot still has a consistent smooth release even at slower speeds. I can't think of another binding I'd rather ski on.
We're still trying to work those in! We have some recent COVID restrictions that's made it hard/unsafe for Bob and I to film those longer videos in the same room... so we're kind of waiting/brainstorming how to do the rest.
Most likely going to bump up to the Marker Jesters, i’ve been rocking the Marker griffin 13 but i’ve had them for a good minute and feel like i’m becoming a more aggressive skier so i’ll probably go with the slightly heavier, better built binds. Thanks for the info!
This might sound crazy, but the 95 mm brake actually fits pretty well. That's what I have on my personal pair of Enforcer 104s. Some people might think it's too tight, but in my opinion, it actually fits perfectly.
Great content again Jeff. Only comment I can add from my experience is the Tyrolia Attacks have to have the toe piece height set manually for your boots where the rest mostly auto adjust. I ski 2 sets of boots of different ages and brands and the Attack 13 toe pieces are quite picky on their height settings (business card test) between both i.e. to be safe I need to adjust the AFD spacing height when swapping boots, where on my Griffins and SPX 12s I do not. Something to consider if more than one person is using a set of skis too?
Yeah, that's a good point. The same is true about most Salomon bindings (not all, but most). We were testing Salomon skis today and basically carry a screw driver with us to adjust toe height on the fly.
Thanks for the video! quite useful information man :) :) I just would like to share that I broke the Shift binding 3 times in 3 different places (toe piece, level, brake...) it left me stranded in some difficult faces so I really can´t recommend it. Lightweight YES, reliable.. NOT REALLY
I went with a pivot 15 for my new skis, because of the din range, durability, and performance testimonials. Did I hear correctly that the pivot 14 is actually a bit of a safer binding? Wondering if I'm good where I'm at on the 15. I'm around 195 lb, 5'8", somewhat aggressive. Probably type III.
At your weight and ability level, Pivot 15 is great. They're equally safe, I might have mislead people a little bit there, it's just that the way they function is different (in the toe piece). In my opinion, just from what I've witnessed and from skiing both of them, the 14 is arguably a better choice for a lighter, less aggressive skier just due to how the release mechanism works on the toe. At your weight, even if you're not that aggressive, I think you made the right choice. 15 will last longer.
Hi Sam! It changed to a 14 for 2022/23, and they've also added the Guardian (safer) model for 2023 as well. We're not totally sure if they actually put a stiffer spring in the binding or if ended up being a testing-based change, but it sure seems like the same binding to us. Have fun! SE
Do you think I could put a 95mm binding on the faction prodigy 2 that is 98mm wide or would that be a problem? Because I want the look pivot 15 on it and the next bigger size is 115mm.
If you can swing the extra cost, I'd go Attack 13. It's always nice to have a binding that might be "too much" rather than a binding that might not be enough... so to speak.
haha, I am 6'1 205 pounds and id say very agressive skiier and i still ski the marker squire. I haven't had an issues but after seeing this video and my din being calculated to more than the squire has, i think it might be time to get some new bindings. Any recommendations? I want pretty much the cheapest ones possible. I have normal soled boots.
Hey Jack! You're not alone. I see a lot of bigger guys on Squires. It can work, but it's not ideal. I'd just bump up to the Marker Griffon. It'll have similar performance to your Squires, it's just a little stronger and should last longer too, more durable.
Hi Jeff! Communicated with a Marker F12 tour specialist and he reported that the frame was not totally rigid but had some flex to it. The major shortcomings are probably stack height and weight. However, the shortcoming of stack height might to some extent be mitigated by the construction of this particular frame, but weight is what it is, like 300 grams heavier than the Salomon S/lab shift 13.
BSL is a factor in the equation too, but I would guess that you're at least a 10 DIN and probably higher. My binding recommendations would be those in the 14+ category.
Hey just a question, you guys may have made a mistake when you guys said that the pivot 15/18 doesn’t have an upward release and just wanted to ask a follow up question as I saw on the website that both have upward release, the only difference is the whole race toe(18) moves upward whereas the 14 has the full action toe piece where only the two lips go upward. Because both have full 180 degree multidirectional release. I might be getting confused, just wanted a second clarification on the topic.
Yeah, that wasn't as clear as it should've been. Yes, there is still upward release on the Pivot 15 and 18, it's just a lot different than the 14 and 12. That's come up in other comments, our apologies for the confusion!
I miss my 1973 Look Nevada Gran Prix bindings. I had 7 sets. I used to run them on my Dynamic VR17's and my Rossi Roc 550's. They looked almost exactly like the current Look Pivot. Amazing. The old binding had a turntable heal too. Back to 1974 Hooray. Those bindings were sensational bindings that I'd buy today if they were available.
I have the attack 13 bindings. But im thinking about upgrading to the 16.which would be better for an all mountain powder ski? Attack 16 or the look pivot?
I've skied both on powder skis and they both perform really well. Back when I was competing I skied the Attack 16 more than anything else and it never let me down. I do like how Pivots allow the ski to flex a little more, but I feel like that's less noticeable in powder.
@@SkiEssentials yeah, few days ago i was searching any info about it, in my exsample i have salomon z12 2015y and wanted to find out if k2 mindbender boots are compatible whith it but there is no articles and videos about that, it would be great if you make that kind of video
Marker completely redesigned the Squire for 2022. I would be interested to know your opinion on the redesigned Squire and where you feel there is still a “upper weight.” Great video as always. Thank you.
I was a marker fanboy (griffon and then jester) until I found the tyrolia attack. I chart out at about 8.5 but usually crank to 9 on all my bindings as I am a big dude. I have never once had a tryolia binding fail on me or not release when it should have. I have had very consistent release from them. Almost always doing something stupid, but never any risk of pre-release when the going gets tough and need them to stay on. I have fully ditched marker due to the awful step in force required. I think the attack does the best in terms of great power transmission and easy step in, even when there is lots of fresh snow. Don't get me wrong I have a pivot 14 on my powder skis but at the end of the day a $200 retail tyrolia attack 13 is more than enough for literally every advanced to expert level skier other than those hucking cliffs or hitting huge park features OR if you are a dedicated mogul skier due to the short mount point and more even ski flex, combined with the unprecedented elastic travel. I have had awesome luck with the tyrolia and they also play nice with kastle skis with the shallow mounting required on some fancy thin kastle skis. don't get me wrong, I would put a pivot on every ski if I had $350 or $400 to throw at bindings but with a 5 ski quiver I would rather buy another set of skis and throw attacks on them.... I do have a look SPX 12 on my rossi hero elite plus ti ski and no complaints about that either. kind of surprised to hear you are not a huge PIVOT FANBOY but at the end of the day the DIN and your ability is what matters, not necessarily the brand. well said and good review. I will continue to put my trust in tyrolia as long as they continue to produce a great affordable binding.
Don't get me wrong either, I love skiing Pivots, and own my fair share, but you hit the nail on the head in this assessment: "at the end of the day a $200 retail tyrolia attack 13 is more than enough for literally every advanced to expert level skier other than those hucking cliffs or hitting huge park features" That's a very similar way to how I try to describe bindings. You really have to be pushing the limits to need a high-DIN, heavier binding. Also, Marker did a pretty good job reducing the step in force required on the new versions of their bindings. They didn't change much, but the changes they made are noticeable and I think a lot of people will have an easier time with them.
@@SkiEssentials thanks!!! great to hear about marker getting a little more user friendly. Either way don’t know why you would go with anything other than an attack 13. There will always be those guys or ladies who need a bomb proof binding, but let’s be honest most folks who ski resorts most likely don’t even have a din over 8 so no reason to drop coin on something where you can barely set the din to as low as you need...
Hello I just bought a Ranger 102 fr w/ kingpin 13 bindings. I want to try slack country skiing. My question is : are the bindings safe enough for me to ski blacks. I live in BC and ski Big White and will try Revelstoke this year. I have maverick 95 ti and QST 106. Absolutely love both but looking forward to trying the Fischer set up this season Looking forward to hearing back.
We've seen some very high level skiing done on the Kingpin, I see no issue with the performance as long as they're adjusted properly. If you're using this setup exclusively for the resort, an alpine binding would be a better choice, though.
Have somewhere between 50-100 days on warden 13s. Not even close to the most primo of bindings but I haven't had a single pre-release, and they released in a crash that should have been a tib/fib(stuffed the tip straight into a boulder on an air). It was still a season-ender, but only because the crash was in april. Could have been a lot worse! Considering that the warden 13 isn't even a "primo" binding, I think the notion that there aren't any bad ones out there is correct.
Realistically, for most skiers, both bindings are going to be be plenty safe. You could, however, argue that a Pivot is safer because it allows for vertical release out of the toe. Certainly no guarantee it will release, and plenty of people have had knee injuries on Pivots, but in theory, the Pivot will release in specific situations where a Jester Pro might not. That said, I've skied park on both and I trust both from a safety perspective.
Mostly just durability, but also some power transfer too. A higher DIN binding is going to use stronger materials (metal vs plastic, typically), a stronger overall design, and a stronger spring. That binding will undoubtedly last longer than a comparable lower-DIN binding. There's something to be said about power transfer too. Plastic has more flex to it, so a higher-DIN binding is generally going to perform better than a lower-DIN binding. It's also never a great idea to max out a DIN range. For example, let's say you set your DIN to 9.5, it wouldn't be a good idea to have a DIN range that maxes out at 10, and even 11 would be pushing it in my opinion.
I’ve recently purchased 2022 Atomic Bentchetler 100 in 180 length. Looking to either mount Salomon Warden MNC 13 or Look Pivot 15. I’m 53 years old, 5’ 11” and 220. Advanced Intermediate ski level and usually ski out West in Colorado or Utah. I have Tecnica Mach Sport EHV 120 Grip walk boots. My Din is between 7-8 usually, I.m looking to protect my knees as I get older and was advised to get the Look Pivot but, is that too much Binding or a good selection based on the above info for me? Please advise
Certainly not too much binding for you, no. It's a little heavier, but a great choice for someone concerned about knee injuries thanks to the amount of elastic travel in both the toe and heel and the twisting release. You'll love it. Pivot skis better than the Warden too, so a win win, just more expensive.
Looking to put bindings on new Elan Ripstick 106. Between Griffon 13 and Warden 13. I’m an advanced all mountain skier, pretty aggressive, lots of back bowls, choppy snow, etc. 5’11” 165lbs. I’m hearing that Wardens are more durable, with a slightly larger pitch. Griffon of course very popular. Any advice?
I would say Wardens are more durable, but you have a higher stand height on the Warden. Some skiers don't like that and prefer being closer to the ski, which is especially common on wider skis like the Ripstick 106. It might not be helpful in the moment, but Salomon/Atomic has a new binding next year called the Strive that will take a lot of the Warden business. Either would work, but remember the stand height as you make your decision.
Thanks for the vid; I appreciate your content... but you say "A type 3 skier by definition is someone who wants their skis to stay on their feet in the event of a fall". What?
Hey James! I suppose that's oversimplifying things a little bit. Type 3 skiers "prefer higher than average release/retention settings; prefer decreased releasability in a fall in order to gain decreased risk of inadvertent binding release." It's the decreased releasability or decreased risk of inadvertent binding release that I was referring to, or simply put, you generally don't want your skis to come off.
Silly question : Can i put a race ski plate in an all mountain ski like Atomic Maverick? Race plate is supposed to be able to adjust back and forth the bindings without making new drill holes right?
In theory, you could, and yes, that concept is true, but putting a race plate on a Maverick would be giving it a big dead spot right in the middle of the ski. A lot of modern skis are intended to have a smooth, natural flex, which definitely describes the Maverick. While you could put a race plate on it, it's not something I would ever do personally.
Do u think the market squire 11 Id is good for all mountain and park I just got the bent chetler 100s and was wondering if these bindings will go well with them.
@@dovidschulhof4302 just based on your weight I think it makes sense to bump up to the Griffon 13, Attack 13, etc, especially if you'll be in the park.
Thanks for the super informative video on bindings! Are the Rossignol Axial 3 Dual 120 bindings essentially the same as the Look SPX 12 (aside from the whole Grip Walk compatability?). Is there any reason to change up the Rossignol Axial Dual 120 bindings to say the Marker Griffon 13 or the Tyrolia Attack 13 to put on a new pair of 101mm All Mountain/Freeride Skis? DIN currently set to 6 for a 5'5 female about 135lbs Type II/III skier on groomers, powder (when it's there), moguls, trees - a bit of everything. Thanks so much for your help!
Hello! So sorry for the delay getting back to you. Busy time of year around here. Yes, the Axial 3 is essentially the same binding as the Look SPX. Probably not, no. The Axial 3 is a great binding and you're not really going to get a noticeable increase in performance switching to either a Griffon or Attack. Hope that helps!
Great video and thank you for the great information and advice. Jeff put me into Tyrolia Attack 13 about two years ago and still lovin' them.... even purchased two more pairs for my new work skis. Those bindings get the job done. My confidence binding!
what's a good binding for trail skiing, tree skiing, small moguls, intermediate to advanced intermediate skier. 6' 180. Using a 156 Nordica Soul rider or Head Kore? 83-86 maybe. Looks like Im buying from you guys/gals.
Lots of good options. Marker Griffon 13 and Tyrolia Attack 13 are probably the best value. SPX 12 is another good one, or Warden 13. You shouldn't need "more" binding than those.
Hey Jeff, definitely need some guidance. Upper intermediate level skier who enjoys “just off piste” but not back country hike to stuff. Trees and short/quick technical areas with light park play is what’s fun for me, as I spend most of my time chasing my 13yr old around the mountain. Armada ARV 96 170cm (2022) Dalbello Panterra 120 gw boots (2022) 25.5/26.5 awaiting fitting. Now the question: Armada N Sth2 wtr 13 Or Armada N Warden mnc 11 or 13 Stats: 47yr, 5’10, 180-185lb athletic. Any help you or anyone else can provide would be awesome. Thank you!
Hi Todd! I personally prefer the STH over the Warden. I just like the way the toe feels on the STH. Lots of elastic travel and a great connection to your skis. Not to take anything away from the Warden, some skiers really love that binding, but I think the STH toe is better. Hope that helps!
Hello, just recently bought the salomon warden 11 MNC and got them mounted. I noticed that the rear binding wobbles on the binding track whenever im not clicked in but once i actually step in all wobble goes away and feels secure. Im fairly new to skiing and these are my first pair of skiis and am just wondering if this wobble is normal.
That sounds normal to me. A lot of heel pieces will have a little bit of movement between the actual heel mechanism and the track until you click your boot in. I would just keep an eye on it. If it gets worse, something's up. If you ever feel some movement while you are clicked in, go get it checked out ASAP. What's nice is just about any ski area will have a reputable binding tech on staff somewhere on the mountain, so pretty easy to get it safety checked even in a pinch on a given day.
Hi guys, nice video! I have a question. I'm 20, 188 cm tall and weigh around 72kg. I would consider myself an advanced skier. I just bought some K2 Reckoner 102, i ride on and off piste, powder and some park too. The problem is that i can't decide which bindings to choose, my idea was between a Marker Griffon 13 or a Marker Jester 16. What would you say? Thank you!
Same here hahah 19 yo, 177cm 68 kg and got the last years K2 Reckoner 102's but a can't decide which binding (: probably going for the Griffon 13 or Attack 13 tho...
Binding design hasn't changed all that much since the 60's. They are a huge cash cow for shops and manufacturers, so they need to be changed all the time so that you need to replace them. "We can't mount those on your new skis because they are too old". Sometimes that means two years.
I understand where you're coming from, but in my experience, anytime a binding comes off the indemnification list, there's good reason. The Pivot is a good counter-example, that design has stayed the same for about 40 years!
Great video Jeff. I’ve always skied Markers but I’m interested in the Pivot for this season. Do you ever steer certain ability levels away from pivots?
Away from the Pivot 15 and 18, yes, but the Pivot 12 and 14 are perfectly appropriate for a wide range of skiers. Really the only ability level I wouldn't recommend them to would be a beginner or low-level intermediate, mostly just because of the functionality. The fact that the heel piece can pivot can be confusing at times, especially for someone without much experience with ski equipment.
I am debating between the Jester and the Griffon. My DIN is set usually around 8-9 - based on research I've done, people have said that the griffons are easier to damage than the jesters due to the heel piece construction. As a skier who tends to work his gear hard, what would you recommend?
Hey Soren! I would go with the Jester if you're worried about damaging your gear. Those of us who are hard on gear typically know we're hard on gear based on past experiences. You can break a heel piece of a Griffon more easily than a Jester, yes. Do most people have to worry about that? Absolutely not, but it's possible. The Jester has a magnesium heel piece, the Griffon is plastic.
Great review. I am very impressed with the quality of bindings these days. I can't think of the last time I had a pre-release, which used to be an issue in the 1980s :-) Only issue I've had with bindings in 20 years I'd say is the AFD moving plates under the toe of the boot. I've had 2 of these on Look bindings fail to the point where I had to get new toe pieces mounted to the skis. Not good, and Look didn't want to know about refunds in either case and they were under a month old in one case and 3 months the other. So I just opt for kit that doesn't have the moving plates to avoid repeat performances.
Great video thanks! I have Scarpa boots with interchangeable soles for touring & alpine setup. Does the Warden MNC need any special config or would it right away work for whichever sole I choose? (I use both soles depending on whether I’m using my alpine skis or touring setup, so want the flexibility)
A Question; Tyrolia Attack 13 and Marker Squire. As far as I know Squire has Max 11 Din number. If you keep it around 6 or 7, what kind of problems can 160lbs aggressive skier face to? I am not against paying more but the weight difference.. Thanks for the video!
The Attack 13 is a stronger binding overall. In my opinion, at your weight, as an aggressive skier, you're really pushing the limits of the Squire. Potential pre-release, or you could even completely break the binding. There are plenty of benefits to the Squire for lighter skiers, but I personally wouldn't recommend it to an aggressive skier of your size.
Hi Jeff, Thanks to you and the team for putting these helpful videos together! I’m 5’10” 162lb type 3 skier. I’m thinking about buying the Black Crows Camox 97 at 180.4 as an all mountain, trees, moguls, and plan to introduce myself to the park for the first in my 15 years of experience. Primarily ski west coast but will do occasional trips to VT/NH. I think my DIN is set to 7 when I have rented skis. Trying to find a relatively lighter binding - have never tried pivot bindings but thought the Look Pivot 14’s would be good for me and wanted to get your thoughts! What is another binding you would recommend for me? Also considering Attack 16 / STH 16
Hello! Pivot 14 would be an excellent binding for you. It will work really well with the Camox and is a fantastic binding for the terrain park. Good elastic travel, which means more confidence on landings, especially switch landings. Very durable too, so it will last you for years and years and years. I have no reason to recommend a different binding, although I do have full trust in the Attack 16 (used to compete on that binding), Jester, as well as the new Strive 16.
Hello! I am a big moutain and freestyle backcountry skier. I have been skiing on the griffon for the past 3 years. I was wondering if the pivots14/15 were worth the extra 200/500 or so grams over the griffon because I will buy new skis for next season. (for information I skied the atris for the past 3years and I am looking into buying the revolt 104 and the anima)
200 grams isn't going to feel like a big difference. So, if you're looking for a slightly stronger binding, but one that's still relatively light, the Pivot 14 would be great. 500 grams will be noticeable. Some skiers don't mind it (I have Pivot 18s on a lot of my skis and don't mind the extra weight), although generally lighter and/or less aggressive skiers will notice a difference.
Yeah, for basic park skiing, they'll work fine. If you start hitting bigger jumps, doing bigger spins, etc, you'll probably want a stronger binding, or at least one with less moving parts.
How many actual binding manufacturers are there? For example Stockli sells their own DXM and SRT bindings, but I'm guessing somebody else makes them. What other bindings are rebranded and how do we know who actually makes them? Are there functional differences or only in appearance?
Tyrolia, Marker, Look, Salomon... those are the big 4 in my opinion. Yes, Salomon makes those Stockli bindings. You can usually tell just based on the design of the bindings, there are some giveaways for each of those 4 brands. Generally, no, there aren't any functional differences, just different colors and cosmetics.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks! I work as a Liftie, so I see lots of ski/binding combinations coming off the chair. Thanks for confirming what I'd begun to figure out. Great channel. Nice to hear a truly authoritative discussion about a subject where often, all one hears is, "Pick that one!"
Attack 13s: Low stand height and lightweight, but become unnoticeable once I get up to speed. Cheap retail price, and can be found even cheaper during end of season sales. Preleased once randomly at slow speeds, but chalking it up as a freak incident and not enough to really deter me from Attacks. Oh, and the heel piece can be a b**** to adjust along the track to adjust for fwd pressure and bsl for new boots. Griffons: Nothing really stood out to me IMO: not the lightest, lowest, or cheapest, but performs just fine. After experiencing a "phantom" step in issue however, I won't be going back to Griffons anytime soon (even with their redesigned heel piece). After a fall one time and clicking fully back in, my boot kept popping out the moment I put weight on it to turn. Kept repeating immediately one after the other no matter how much I cleared my soles and bindings of snow. I've read snow can get packed deep in the toe piece and hard to see, which I may have missed, but a binding should not click in if I'm going to get ejected immediately like I did lol. STH2 13s: Skied fine but not sure I liked the taller stand height (which I get some people like). To be fair, I only had 1 or 2 days on these on a pair of fat pow sticks (Bent 120s). Currently have a pair of Pivot 15s on the way to go on my dailies, but will give the STH2s another try if I'm not feeling the Pivots.
For me Attack 13 is the definition of Prerelease. DIN 11 and 105kg was to mutch for this Binding. Pivot 14 was a Day to Night feeling. I just love the Heel. You can feel how it is working in the Park. This long release way is priceless.
Just got a pair of Technica Cochise 120 as I am planning on getting into more backcountry but need to update my resort bindings so I can use the grip walk soles. Looking between the griphons and the attack 14s. Is there any major difference between the two that I should be aware of?
Not a major difference, no. Grip Walk will work perfectly well with the Attack 13 too if you want to save a little money and get the lower stand height. It's only the rockered touring soles that don't work with Attack 13s.
Hi Jeff. Well made introduction. thank U. Read comments as well, still not certain what would work for me, mainly because the type of skis is essential part of choosing bindings. Will get to the point; I'm 6'10 , 178 lb, intermed/expert, groomer. Just got Liberty evolve 90 at 172 ( wanted to buy from u guys but u out of stock :( ) liked the idea of low point stand and elasticity . Can't say exactly a type of release 1 -3 I prefer , never badly crashed - thankfully . this is all info I can think of . Please, if U would make your suggestions based on info I've provided, I could get on buying the one I need. Thank U !
Griffon, Jester, SPX 12, or Pivot are probably the best options. Those all have the most elastic travel in the heel, which I think is where it's most beneficial. SPX 12 feels like a cool choice, actually...
just bought some bent 120’s and looking for a binding - stuck between the warden 13 and new sth 16. what are the main differences? what would you recommend? open to suggestions for other bindings.
A lot of people prefer the toe of the STH over the Warden. Better connection to your boot, more precise power transfer, more elastic travel. I would go with the new Strive 14 over the Warden and if you're sticking with Salomon/Atomic, choose either Strive 14, 16, or STH 16. Pivots are always an excellent choice too. More expensive than more bindings, but excellent feel. Lots of elastic travel and a short drill pattern.
Will a Tyrolia attack 13 95mm brake fit a 102mm width ski? Asking due to a sale, they don't have an option for the 100mm brake. Also, what are your thoughts on the Head Attack 2 13 GW binding? Cheers
In my opinion, there are some limitations with that binding, yeah. I wouldn't recommend it to a heavier skier or someone who is aggressive. The heel piece is light and without much elastic travel, so may be prone to pre-releasing for bigger skiers.
Hello! Not off track at all. The DIN number is indicating what range of Nm release values the bindings will have. I've only ever seen those values in Nm, but certainly could be expressed in foot-pounds too.
Been skiing for about 50 yrs on and off. Just bought a pair of Salomon Stance 90 and my plan is to put a pair of STH2 16 on them. Do you think the DIN is bit too much? Weigth is about 77 kg. I’m a relatively aggressive skier who mostly prefer high speed, long carving turns on groomers but has also done some off piste skiing on a pair of Black Crows Sevun with PX12 set on 8-9.
My local ski shop guy who does all their bindings says Salomon consistently has the most accurate DIN settings according to whatever instrument he uses to test them, so he uses those and recommends them. Sounds like that is as good of a differentiator as anything else. My first and longtime all-rounder ski binding is a Look SPX, and my new powder-ski binding is a Salomon and... tere is no debate, the Look bindings look the best!
Jeff, thank you for the video! I bought my first set of skis recently, 2024 K2 Mindbender 89ti, and chose the Marker Squire 11 (without doing too much prior research). I am an intermediate skier 5'11'' & 175 lbs. I have about 10 days of skiing on them and have not had any issues so far but they do feel flimsy, especially as I am beginning to ski advanced terrain & bumps. Would you recommend changing them now (if so what would you recommend as an alternative?) or should I take my chances for the time being? Thanks so much!
I think you are right in that they are fine. The Marker Griffon will feel more substantial, but will likely not make a big difference when it comes to sheer performance. Confidence, yes, but performance, not quite as much.
Pivot 18 vs jester 18 ? You feel more difference betweek mounting them on a park or big mountain ski ? (I intend to mount one of this two on a big mountain ski)
In my opinion, you notice the difference more in the park. Really I think it's firmer snow conditions when you're really flexing the ski where you start to feel the difference in the Pivot. In softer now and on bigger, wider skis, there isn't as much of a difference. A lot of skiers like the Jester as it just feels super solid.
Great video. I just ordered some k2 90ti mind benders. I'm 6ft 225lbs. Also have head advant 85 boots. Any suggested bindings? Intermediate and not very aggressive.
It really hasn't changed at all since 2010. You can get a GW compatible toe piece with the 15 and 18 now, but aside from that and new colors, it's the same binding.
Tyrolia Attack 13, Marker Griffon 13, SPX 12, or you could bump it up to something like the Pivot 14. Those first 3 bindings are going to work well for most park/all-mountain skiers in my opinion.
I definitely think there are benefits to that setup for certain skiers. I have some close friends who are big "let's go build a BC jump for a day then hit it the next day" kind of skiers and they all love the CAST system.
I’ve been looking at experimenting with Delta/ramp angle. I was wondering if there’s a binding that you would suggest to do that with that has a changeable toe or heel height or both
Most of that stuff is aftermarket--experimenting with lifters and such. The Pivot used to come with shims for the toe--I think they were 2mm shims, and you had to use the longer screws that came with the binding. I do not think they do that anymore.
Jeff: “If we went in to the technical details, this could he a 4 hour video.”
Me: “Go on...”
Considering the 35 likes this comment got, that might just happen someday! I think it might be easier to break it down into smaller categories and go more in depth within that category... or at least better for my personal sanity.
I would certainly watch it!
Some of us are tech geeks and we love the info. Great vid!!!
Pivot snob you say...I haven't hear the term before...but yeah that's a good description for me
Yeah, skis work differently in the bumps with Pivots - they flex
@@simonorr594 better or worse for moguls?
Same here
@@Rickshaw_Bohammer way better, watch the olympics. they all use pivots
its actually gross seeing all that shit next to lord pivot
I own a pair of pivot 14 and a pair of griffons. At a 9 din I feel both are just right right for me. I fall into the range of the higher end bindings but there’s no need considering they are heavier and much more expensive. I like both of them and there are pros and cons to both. Having to put your ski back on in deep snow with a pivot is true pain that heel loves to get off center if it’s not lined up properly or it turns a bit while trying to step in. Griffon is easier in that respect but it does take more force to get in. The way the pivot is designed you can absolutely feel the whole ski flexing under foot while the griffon kind of gives more of a sturdy platform. Both have pros and cons in that respect. The pivots elastic travel is noticeable for type 3 and 3+ skiers there are times when you mess up a bit and you feel the heel in the pivot start to release, but you get yourself together and it sucks you right back in. It’s a pretty cool feeling. When I have released in pivots I couldn’t feel it happening which is not something I can say about the griffon. The pivot never pre released on me but I have had a situation where the toe on my griffon let go prematurely. I was basically at a complete stop looking for my next line and it just felt as though my binding just let go with zero effort. It wasn’t really a big deal I just skied down one mogul on my other ski grabbed it and put it back on. Still kinda weird and gave me some trust issues for a while. Haven’t had issues since tho so that’s a good thing. Marker bindings have the pro of being able to switch out brakes easily when switching the binding to another ski which really is a big plus compared to the pivot. I plan to keep both for a long while and I’m sure they will continue to serve me well. I think if you fall into the type 3 or 3+ skier range you should give pivots a try if you haven’t already. they are worth the money in my opinion.
These are hands down the best gear review/explanation videos I have ever seen and I watch tons of them. Please keep these up!
Thanks! We plan to do a lot more videos in this style down the road.
AGREED!!!
These videos are awesome. Glad I found them
Thanks Adam!
This comparison video was MASSSIVELY helpful for me! I'm a long-time skier but a first-time buyer this year. Always did rentals as a tourist skier but did it plenty with my dad growing up. I've struggled to find good videos that compare the gear that I want to see but this channel's ski and binding reviews have been the pinnacle of comparative information. Thank you, deeply and truly.
Thanks!
Very happy it helped!
SE
Another helpful video, Jeff! I appreciate the time you took and the effort to make it. I learned a few things, so watching it was worth the time for me. Thank you, again! Happy holidays to you and the crew!
Thanks David! Happy Holidays!
I would have liked a comparison between the Duke PT and the CAST system otherwise that was a great learning experience for me, thanks.
Thanks Sean! We're going to try to get out hands on the CAST system to do a direct comparison and/or a solo review as a lot of you have been asking about it.
@@SkiEssentials Let me know if you need to get a pair of CAST for review. I can help with that.
I found better prices elsewhere online for my bindings....but bought them from Ski Essentials just because of these AWESOME review videos!!! yall are the best thank you so much!
Wow, Hannah! Thank you so much! That means a lot to us.
When I used to Ski in the 70s I used K2 710 comps 210 skis Salomon 727 bindings and Salomon boots
Amazingly, that Salomon binding technology has not changed a whole lot.
I’ve had a lot of bindings the pivots are the best choice of your a good freestyle or freeride skiier
just buy pivots
There aren't really any bad bindings anymore. I tend to go with a past model year that is on deep discount and has a maximum DIN of at least 13.
That sometimes means strange color combinations (like a blue and Orange Hart Fusion with Fischer FF Z17). I have had turntable heels in the past (Marker MRR on Dynamic VR27 SL DP) and didn't notice any difference over a standard heel setup.
Great review......one thing worth mentioning about the Tyrolia Attacks (other than the low stand height and wide toe piece) is that they are also very easy to step into. Useful in deeper snow. Some of the Marker bindings in particular can be harder to step into.
I have one other variable that many seem able to overcome: I'm super sensitive to ramp and prefer the low alpine toe height of the Pivot 15/18 which is 5mm lower than heel. The tall alpine AFD ped is 4mm higher so call it flat. The 12/14 toe, alpine setting, is only 2mm lower than the heel. I also get along well with a Salomon STH with the 6mm heel to toe drop. I just like talking about myself.
We just talked about this regarding the new Salomon/Atomic/Armada Strive binding that has a pretty flat ramp.
shift is finesse, duke pt 16 is POWERRRrrrrrr, spent the evning mounting duke pt 16's on revolt 121s... next to it on wall is BC120 with shift, win win
Soo V 2.0 of this video is 3-4 hours? ;)
Yes! That's a perfect way to describe it. I'm going to put a Duke PT on something pretty similar!
Might have to do a longer one based off all these comments... ;)
I have the attack 11's as a fairly intermediate skier (running 8 DIN at 170 lbs 6'0) and love them so far! no accidental pre-releases so far, and I like how stable and low they feel on faction agent 100s (100mm underfoot)
Really good binding for that ski! There's not a massive difference between the Attack 11 and 13, I think the Attack 11 is one of the best in that DIN range.
Hi there!!!! As always great vid! Just spent hours on you ski reviews. Sooooooo I just bought a pair of Black Crows Serpo, and it needs a good pair or bindings. When this video was posted, I'm not sure the Atomic/Salomon Strive 13 was on the market. Any thoughts if this would be a good match? I was also considering the Attack or Warden. I'm 5'-10", 180lbs, mainly on piste with all sort of snow conditions with the occasional off piste tracks. Thanks 🙏🏻
Hey Jonathan! Good eye! No, it wasn't yet on the market. It is, however, a great binding and one that I've grown quite fond of. I have a couple pairs of Strive 14s on personal skis and they've held up to everything I've dished out without issue. Go for it. Nice low stand height, good connection to your skis, should go nicely on the Serpo.
question - for those of us who need a DIN setting of between 7 and 10, what's the point or benefit of going beyond the Squire 11 or Attack 11 or even Look's NX 11 or SPX 10? based on the variety of online DIN calculators, i can't find many scenarios of a person needing much more than a 10. so, should we instead be buying a binding that STARTS just below our calculated DIN setting, or should we be in the middle of a binding's DIN range, or are we buying other things like features and durability (for when someone smacks into us or rides over top of our skis)? i mean, if I need a DIN of 8.5, then any binding that goes to 11 is fine, right?
Yeah, it's mostly a durability and longevity thing, but there's a bit of safety to it too. In my opinion, it's never good to max out the DIN range of a binding. I'm sure some would disagree, but I've seen settings like that result in some inconsistent release values when testing. I would say someone at a 7 DIN is likely going to be just fine on those 11 DIN bindings. Someone who skis a 10 DIN, on the other hand, shouldn't be skiing a Squire or an Attack 11, in my opinion. For you, at an 8.5 DIN, if you van build it into your budget, I would go to a 12, 13, or 14 DIN binding. It's going to perform a bit better, last a bit longer, and in theory, have more consistent release values.
As a general rule, it's better to be near the middle of a DIN range than at either end of the range. I wish I could give you a more black and white answer, but there's a bit of subjectivity to it too. I (Jeff) use a DIN setting of 10. I've skied Attack 11s, Squires, and other low DIN bindings without catastrophic failure, but I don't like doing so and am constantly a little on edge.
@@SkiEssentials would it be more sensible in that case for a buyer to pick a binding that puts their own DIN towards the lower end of the available range? like, if someone's DIN is usually an 8, would it be more sensible for them to get a binding that goes 6-16 so that they have much more upper range as they progress and get better and more aggressive? or would you generally recommend not planning that far ahead (like, assume a new binding every 5 years anyways so no point over-buying today)
also - slight tangent, would you be able to go into setting a different DIN for different ski/snow conditions, for the same user? like, if Bob has carving skis and powder skis and casual skis, would Bob set them all to the same DIN of 9, or would Bob alter the DIN based on what each ski is used for? your Bob or any Bob! :)
You should review the cast touring system for the p18s?
We actually have that on our list!
@@SkiEssentials @KraxTagg beside the fact that it’s quite heavy and that it makes transitions a little longer, it’s the only binding I trust to send big cliffs in the backcountry 🤙.
The extra ski flex you get from the pivot is actually really noticeable. I recently changed the bindings on my skis from the dynafit beast to the pivot and it made the tail so much more flexible, took some getting used to. At first I actually didn't really like it and thought the ski felt too soft but now I love it, makes the skis feel so much more lively.
Pretty amazing, isn't it? Putting a Pivot on a ski will change the way it feels compared to just about any other binding on the market.
In a blind test I doubt most people would be able to tell which alpine Bindings they are riding except for when it comes to the Look Pivot.
But Bindings are about safety, feel, and control... then weight. I work at a shop and usually recommend the SPX and Pivot if your Need Priorities are performance and safety (Look toe pieces also release vertically for added elastic travel and safety).
Put a Pivot on your most favoritest ski(s)/daily drivers; and put anything else you can get a deal on on the rest of your quiver/future hand-me-downs.
Next recommendation are Bindings like the salmon/atomic warden because of it's multi-boot sole norm compatibility. Then it'll fit any of your, or, someone else's alpine boots for any reason.
Good video!
When it came time to upgrade the skis for both myself and my daughter, I went with Look. Mostly, because I believe they are safer. As you say, I am sure the other bindings do release as designed, but Look bindings are designed to have additional vectors of release. The 180 degree release at the toe is a big deal. The turn table heal lowers the chance of tibia fractures. Throw in the excellent elastic travel, low stand height, and shorter footprint that allows better flex in the ski... well the competition has a way to go.
There's no question it gives you an incredible connection to your skis and allows for a very natural flex pattern. It's amazing to think how long that design has been around...
I recall hearing that using a binding at its maximum intended DIN is a bad idea (using Squires at 11 for example). Is there any truth to this?
Yes, that's actually something I meant to include in this video. Maxing out the DIN range of a binding is never a good idea. If you chart to an 11 DIN, a Squire is no where near enough binding for you, at least that's my opinion.
In the Pivot review, you mentioned the Salomon STH. Any chance of a review?
Hey John! Would love to do a STH review. I have a pair of an Armada Declivity 92. Perhaps I'll do a deep dive review of that binding in the coming weeks.
@@SkiEssentials I am a big guy (6'3", 230#). I actually wore out a pair of Salomon bindings (metal fatigued both of them). I replaced them with the STH2 and they've been bulletproof.
The Rossi/Look pivot is the best binding. Why? It's shock absorbing capability, lateral and veritcal in the toe and vertical in the heel. Also the screw/mount pattern of the heel and toe are very close allowing for more of the ski's natural flex and counter flex. In most skiing we constantly develop shock so a binding with better/more shock travel will hold a good skier in more consistently and allows an aspiring skier to push a bit yet the pivot still has a consistent smooth release even at slower speeds. I can't think of another binding I'd rather ski on.
Skied Pivot14s for years. Never a pre-release. Best bindings ever for me.
I only ride Pivots. For me I like their ability to let the ski flex with the short drill base and also I have loads of faith in their safety ability.
Plenty to like about them! I use more Pivots than anything else personally.
Great review and super helpful. Twin tip review still on its way?!? Thanks
We're still trying to work those in! We have some recent COVID restrictions that's made it hard/unsafe for Bob and I to film those longer videos in the same room... so we're kind of waiting/brainstorming how to do the rest.
Most likely going to bump up to the Marker Jesters, i’ve been rocking the Marker griffin 13 but i’ve had them for a good minute and feel like i’m becoming a more aggressive skier so i’ll probably go with the slightly heavier, better built binds. Thanks for the info!
Yeah, Jesters are a nice upgrade. The magnesium housing really adds some extra confidence.
Is the pivot 115 break size compatible with my enforcer 104's? Any other bindings I should look at to pair with my enforcers?
This might sound crazy, but the 95 mm brake actually fits pretty well. That's what I have on my personal pair of Enforcer 104s. Some people might think it's too tight, but in my opinion, it actually fits perfectly.
im going to get the armada b dogs, and they have a 94mm underfoot. would it work for me to get the marquer 11 squire if they are 90mm
Shouldn't be an issue. There's some extra room built into those brakes.
Great content again Jeff.
Only comment I can add from my experience is the Tyrolia Attacks have to have the toe piece height set manually for your boots where the rest mostly auto adjust.
I ski 2 sets of boots of different ages and brands and the Attack 13 toe pieces are quite picky on their height settings (business card test) between both i.e. to be safe I need to adjust the AFD spacing height when swapping boots, where on my Griffins and SPX 12s I do not.
Something to consider if more than one person is using a set of skis too?
Yeah, that's a good point. The same is true about most Salomon bindings (not all, but most). We were testing Salomon skis today and basically carry a screw driver with us to adjust toe height on the fly.
Would the pivot 14 have auto toe height adjustment?
Can you do a video explaining/reviewing backcountry bindings?
Yes! We'll likely do that video over the summer or next fall.
Thanks for the video! quite useful information man :) :)
I just would like to share that I broke the Shift binding 3 times in 3 different places (toe piece, level, brake...) it left me stranded in some difficult faces so I really can´t recommend it. Lightweight YES, reliable.. NOT REALLY
I went with a pivot 15 for my new skis, because of the din range, durability, and performance testimonials. Did I hear correctly that the pivot 14 is actually a bit of a safer binding? Wondering if I'm good where I'm at on the 15. I'm around 195 lb, 5'8", somewhat aggressive. Probably type III.
At your weight and ability level, Pivot 15 is great. They're equally safe, I might have mislead people a little bit there, it's just that the way they function is different (in the toe piece). In my opinion, just from what I've witnessed and from skiing both of them, the 14 is arguably a better choice for a lighter, less aggressive skier just due to how the release mechanism works on the toe. At your weight, even if you're not that aggressive, I think you made the right choice. 15 will last longer.
Hi Jeff, thanks for all the contents, very informative. Question: Is Tyrolia Attack 13 discontinued for 2023?
Hi Sam!
It changed to a 14 for 2022/23, and they've also added the Guardian (safer) model for 2023 as well. We're not totally sure if they actually put a stiffer spring in the binding or if ended up being a testing-based change, but it sure seems like the same binding to us. Have fun!
SE
Do you think I could put a 95mm binding on the faction prodigy 2 that is 98mm wide or would that be a problem? Because I want the look pivot 15 on it and the next bigger size is 115mm.
Pivot 95 will fit the 98 ski.
Should I get the attack 11 or the attack 13. I only weigh 145 but I'm a fairly aggressive skier.
13. *How aggressive are we talking?!
If you can swing the extra cost, I'd go Attack 13. It's always nice to have a binding that might be "too much" rather than a binding that might not be enough... so to speak.
haha, I am 6'1 205 pounds and id say very agressive skiier and i still ski the marker squire. I haven't had an issues but after seeing this video and my din being calculated to more than the squire has, i think it might be time to get some new bindings. Any recommendations? I want pretty much the cheapest ones possible. I have normal soled boots.
Hey Jack! You're not alone. I see a lot of bigger guys on Squires. It can work, but it's not ideal. I'd just bump up to the Marker Griffon. It'll have similar performance to your Squires, it's just a little stronger and should last longer too, more durable.
Hi Jeff! Communicated with a Marker F12 tour specialist and he reported that the frame was not totally rigid but had some flex to it. The major shortcomings are probably stack height and weight. However, the shortcoming of stack height might to some extent be mitigated by the construction of this particular frame, but weight is what it is, like 300 grams heavier than the Salomon S/lab shift 13.
Thanks for this great video. I'm an expert skier in which I'm 6'3 245 LBS, built like NFL LB. What Din rating would I fall into?
BSL is a factor in the equation too, but I would guess that you're at least a 10 DIN and probably higher. My binding recommendations would be those in the 14+ category.
@Paul Cysz My boot sole is 345.
Hey just a question, you guys may have made a mistake when you guys said that the pivot 15/18 doesn’t have an upward release and just wanted to ask a follow up question as I saw on the website that both have upward release, the only difference is the whole race toe(18) moves upward whereas the 14 has the full action toe piece where only the two lips go upward. Because both have full 180 degree multidirectional release. I might be getting confused, just wanted a second clarification on the topic.
Yeah, that wasn't as clear as it should've been. Yes, there is still upward release on the Pivot 15 and 18, it's just a lot different than the 14 and 12. That's come up in other comments, our apologies for the confusion!
I miss my 1973 Look Nevada Gran Prix bindings. I had 7 sets. I used to run them on my Dynamic VR17's and my Rossi Roc 550's. They looked almost exactly like the current Look Pivot. Amazing. The old binding had a turntable heal too. Back to 1974 Hooray. Those bindings were sensational bindings that I'd buy today if they were available.
I have the attack 13 bindings. But im thinking about upgrading to the 16.which would be better for an all mountain powder ski? Attack 16 or the look pivot?
I've skied both on powder skis and they both perform really well. Back when I was competing I skied the Attack 16 more than anything else and it never let me down. I do like how Pivots allow the ski to flex a little more, but I feel like that's less noticeable in powder.
thanks for this video, can you make video explaining sole, what kind of sole are there, what is compatible with what and how to choose
Yes! I think a lot of people would find that helpful.
@@SkiEssentials yeah, few days ago i was searching any info about it, in my exsample i have salomon z12 2015y and wanted to find out if k2 mindbender boots are compatible whith it but there is no articles and videos about that, it would be great if you make that kind of video
Marker completely redesigned the Squire for 2022. I would be interested to know your opinion on the redesigned Squire and where you feel there is still a “upper weight.” Great video as always. Thank you.
Hey Susie! Once we get on snow we'll try to work in some Squire testing and maybe even do a stand-alone review for that binding.
For me it is pretty simple. If I want an alpine binding I go Tyrolia Attack 13, if I want to tour Atomic/Salomon Shift
Simple, yet effective!
This is a great great review that every ski shopper should listen to. Thank you!
I was a marker fanboy (griffon and then jester) until I found the tyrolia attack. I chart out at about 8.5 but usually crank to 9 on all my bindings as I am a big dude. I have never once had a tryolia binding fail on me or not release when it should have. I have had very consistent release from them. Almost always doing something stupid, but never any risk of pre-release when the going gets tough and need them to stay on. I have fully ditched marker due to the awful step in force required. I think the attack does the best in terms of great power transmission and easy step in, even when there is lots of fresh snow. Don't get me wrong I have a pivot 14 on my powder skis but at the end of the day a $200 retail tyrolia attack 13 is more than enough for literally every advanced to expert level skier other than those hucking cliffs or hitting huge park features OR if you are a dedicated mogul skier due to the short mount point and more even ski flex, combined with the unprecedented elastic travel. I have had awesome luck with the tyrolia and they also play nice with kastle skis with the shallow mounting required on some fancy thin kastle skis. don't get me wrong, I would put a pivot on every ski if I had $350 or $400 to throw at bindings but with a 5 ski quiver I would rather buy another set of skis and throw attacks on them.... I do have a look SPX 12 on my rossi hero elite plus ti ski and no complaints about that either. kind of surprised to hear you are not a huge PIVOT FANBOY but at the end of the day the DIN and your ability is what matters, not necessarily the brand. well said and good review. I will continue to put my trust in tyrolia as long as they continue to produce a great affordable binding.
Don't get me wrong either, I love skiing Pivots, and own my fair share, but you hit the nail on the head in this assessment:
"at the end of the day a $200 retail tyrolia attack 13 is more than enough for literally every advanced to expert level skier other than those hucking cliffs or hitting huge park features"
That's a very similar way to how I try to describe bindings. You really have to be pushing the limits to need a high-DIN, heavier binding.
Also, Marker did a pretty good job reducing the step in force required on the new versions of their bindings. They didn't change much, but the changes they made are noticeable and I think a lot of people will have an easier time with them.
@@SkiEssentials thanks!!! great to hear about marker getting a little more user friendly. Either way don’t know why you would go with anything other than an attack 13. There will always be those guys or ladies who need a bomb proof binding, but let’s be honest most folks who ski resorts most likely don’t even have a din over 8 so no reason to drop coin on something where you can barely set the din to as low as you need...
Griffon 13, SPX 12 or Pivot 14....? My main style is charging with Bent 90s type 3 to type 3+.
The Griffon is the easy answer here--very versatile and high performance binding. Pivots can be a labor of love.
Hello I just bought a Ranger 102 fr w/ kingpin 13 bindings. I want to try slack country skiing. My question is : are the bindings safe enough for me to ski blacks. I live in BC and ski Big White and will try Revelstoke this year. I have maverick 95 ti and QST 106.
Absolutely love both but looking forward to trying the Fischer set up this season
Looking forward to hearing back.
We've seen some very high level skiing done on the Kingpin, I see no issue with the performance as long as they're adjusted properly. If you're using this setup exclusively for the resort, an alpine binding would be a better choice, though.
Have somewhere between 50-100 days on warden 13s. Not even close to the most primo of bindings but I haven't had a single pre-release, and they released in a crash that should have been a tib/fib(stuffed the tip straight into a boulder on an air). It was still a season-ender, but only because the crash was in april. Could have been a lot worse! Considering that the warden 13 isn't even a "primo" binding, I think the notion that there aren't any bad ones out there is correct.
There aren't really any "bad" or "unsafe" bindings. Are there bindings with undeniable benefits? Yes, but nothing is "bad."
Is a pivot 18 safer then a jester pro I ride a pivot 18 on my pow skis and I am thinking about putting jester pros on my park skis
Realistically, for most skiers, both bindings are going to be be plenty safe. You could, however, argue that a Pivot is safer because it allows for vertical release out of the toe. Certainly no guarantee it will release, and plenty of people have had knee injuries on Pivots, but in theory, the Pivot will release in specific situations where a Jester Pro might not. That said, I've skied park on both and I trust both from a safety perspective.
General question: if I have my binding set at a DIN value of 8.5 - why would I have to care whether my binding "goes" to 11 or 13?
Mostly just durability, but also some power transfer too. A higher DIN binding is going to use stronger materials (metal vs plastic, typically), a stronger overall design, and a stronger spring. That binding will undoubtedly last longer than a comparable lower-DIN binding. There's something to be said about power transfer too. Plastic has more flex to it, so a higher-DIN binding is generally going to perform better than a lower-DIN binding. It's also never a great idea to max out a DIN range. For example, let's say you set your DIN to 9.5, it wouldn't be a good idea to have a DIN range that maxes out at 10, and even 11 would be pushing it in my opinion.
Cool - thanks!
I’ve recently purchased 2022 Atomic Bentchetler 100 in 180 length. Looking to either mount Salomon Warden MNC 13 or Look Pivot 15. I’m 53 years old, 5’ 11” and 220. Advanced Intermediate ski level and usually ski out West in Colorado or Utah. I have Tecnica Mach Sport EHV 120 Grip walk boots. My Din is between 7-8 usually, I.m looking to protect my knees as I get older and was advised to get the Look Pivot but, is that too much Binding or a good selection based on the above info for me?
Please advise
Certainly not too much binding for you, no. It's a little heavier, but a great choice for someone concerned about knee injuries thanks to the amount of elastic travel in both the toe and heel and the twisting release. You'll love it. Pivot skis better than the Warden too, so a win win, just more expensive.
Thank you for taking the time to do these vids and share them
Looking to put bindings on new Elan Ripstick 106. Between Griffon 13 and Warden 13. I’m an advanced all mountain skier, pretty aggressive, lots of back bowls, choppy snow, etc. 5’11” 165lbs. I’m hearing that Wardens are more durable, with a slightly larger pitch. Griffon of course very popular. Any advice?
I would say Wardens are more durable, but you have a higher stand height on the Warden. Some skiers don't like that and prefer being closer to the ski, which is especially common on wider skis like the Ripstick 106. It might not be helpful in the moment, but Salomon/Atomic has a new binding next year called the Strive that will take a lot of the Warden business. Either would work, but remember the stand height as you make your decision.
Thanks for the vid; I appreciate your content... but you say "A type 3 skier by definition is someone who wants their skis to stay on their feet in the event of a fall". What?
Hey James! I suppose that's oversimplifying things a little bit. Type 3 skiers "prefer higher than average release/retention settings; prefer decreased releasability in a fall in order to gain decreased risk of inadvertent binding release." It's the decreased releasability or decreased risk of inadvertent binding release that I was referring to, or simply put, you generally don't want your skis to come off.
Silly question : Can i put a race ski plate in an all mountain ski like Atomic Maverick? Race plate is supposed to be able to adjust back and forth the bindings without making new drill holes right?
In theory, you could, and yes, that concept is true, but putting a race plate on a Maverick would be giving it a big dead spot right in the middle of the ski. A lot of modern skis are intended to have a smooth, natural flex, which definitely describes the Maverick. While you could put a race plate on it, it's not something I would ever do personally.
Do u think the market squire 11 Id is good for all mountain and park I just got the bent chetler 100s and was wondering if these bindings will go well with them.
How much do you weigh? It's a good match for that ski depending on your size.
Around 180 and 6 feet tall
@@dovidschulhof4302 just based on your weight I think it makes sense to bump up to the Griffon 13, Attack 13, etc, especially if you'll be in the park.
I'm 5'11" and 180 and ski a Griffon 13. I ski a DIN of 6.5, but I want something that will hold up season after season.
Thanks for the super informative video on bindings! Are the Rossignol Axial 3 Dual 120 bindings essentially the same as the Look SPX 12 (aside from the whole Grip Walk compatability?). Is there any reason to change up the Rossignol Axial Dual 120 bindings to say the Marker Griffon 13 or the Tyrolia Attack 13 to put on a new pair of 101mm All Mountain/Freeride Skis? DIN currently set to 6 for a 5'5 female about 135lbs Type II/III skier on groomers, powder (when it's there), moguls, trees - a bit of everything. Thanks so much for your help!
Hello! So sorry for the delay getting back to you. Busy time of year around here. Yes, the Axial 3 is essentially the same binding as the Look SPX. Probably not, no. The Axial 3 is a great binding and you're not really going to get a noticeable increase in performance switching to either a Griffon or Attack. Hope that helps!
Great video and thank you for the great information and advice. Jeff put me into Tyrolia Attack 13 about two years ago and still lovin' them.... even purchased two more pairs for my new work skis. Those bindings get the job done. My confidence binding!
So glad they're working well for you, John! I have a lot of trust in the Attack bindings.
what's a good binding for trail skiing, tree skiing, small moguls, intermediate to advanced intermediate skier. 6' 180. Using a 156 Nordica Soul rider or Head Kore? 83-86 maybe. Looks like Im buying from you guys/gals.
Lots of good options. Marker Griffon 13 and Tyrolia Attack 13 are probably the best value. SPX 12 is another good one, or Warden 13. You shouldn't need "more" binding than those.
Hey Jeff, definitely need some guidance.
Upper intermediate level skier who enjoys “just off piste” but not back country hike to stuff.
Trees and short/quick technical areas with light park play is what’s fun for me, as I spend most of my time chasing my 13yr old around the mountain.
Armada ARV 96 170cm (2022)
Dalbello Panterra 120 gw boots (2022) 25.5/26.5 awaiting fitting.
Now the question:
Armada N Sth2 wtr 13
Or
Armada N Warden mnc 11 or 13
Stats: 47yr, 5’10, 180-185lb athletic.
Any help you or anyone else can provide would be awesome.
Thank you!
Hi Todd! I personally prefer the STH over the Warden. I just like the way the toe feels on the STH. Lots of elastic travel and a great connection to your skis. Not to take anything away from the Warden, some skiers really love that binding, but I think the STH toe is better.
Hope that helps!
What a great review. It clarified the questions I had and now I can choose confident my next bindings. Thank you very much!
Glad it was helpful!
If I have the k2 Mindbender 120 boots, will the gripwalk compatible bindings work, or does it need to also be compatible with ISO 9532?
Your Mindbender 120 should come with GripWalk soles, so all the GripWalk compatible bindings will be just fine.
Hello, just recently bought the salomon warden 11 MNC and got them mounted. I noticed that the rear binding wobbles on the binding track whenever im not clicked in but once i actually step in all wobble goes away and feels secure. Im fairly new to skiing and these are my first pair of skiis and am just wondering if this wobble is normal.
That sounds normal to me. A lot of heel pieces will have a little bit of movement between the actual heel mechanism and the track until you click your boot in. I would just keep an eye on it. If it gets worse, something's up. If you ever feel some movement while you are clicked in, go get it checked out ASAP. What's nice is just about any ski area will have a reputable binding tech on staff somewhere on the mountain, so pretty easy to get it safety checked even in a pinch on a given day.
@@SkiEssentials Alright thank you so much
Hi guys, nice video! I have a question. I'm 20, 188 cm tall and weigh around 72kg. I would consider myself an advanced skier. I just bought some K2 Reckoner 102, i ride on and off piste, powder and some park too. The problem is that i can't decide which bindings to choose, my idea was between a Marker Griffon 13 or a Marker Jester 16. What would you say? Thank you!
Same here hahah 19 yo, 177cm 68 kg and got the last years K2 Reckoner 102's but a can't decide which binding (: probably going for the Griffon 13 or Attack 13 tho...
@@ttanke Yeah i went for the Griffon 13 at the end, costs less and has good DIN range overall for me
Hey Luigi! Sorry for the delay getting back to you. Sounds like you went with a Griffon. Great choice! Pairs nicely with a Reckoner 102.
@@SkiEssentials Great! Thank you
Binding design hasn't changed all that much since the 60's. They are a huge cash cow for shops and manufacturers, so they need to be changed all the time so that you need to replace them. "We can't mount those on your new skis because they are too old". Sometimes that means two years.
I understand where you're coming from, but in my experience, anytime a binding comes off the indemnification list, there's good reason. The Pivot is a good counter-example, that design has stayed the same for about 40 years!
Hi so I am high intermediate to advanced on piste, beginner in powder. I am 6.1 (185cm) and 170 pounds what din would you suggest?
Without knowing your boot sole length, which is an important factor determining DIN, I expect you're somewhere in the 8-9 range, give or take.
Great video Jeff. I’ve always skied Markers but I’m interested in the Pivot for this season. Do you ever steer certain ability levels away from pivots?
Away from the Pivot 15 and 18, yes, but the Pivot 12 and 14 are perfectly appropriate for a wide range of skiers. Really the only ability level I wouldn't recommend them to would be a beginner or low-level intermediate, mostly just because of the functionality. The fact that the heel piece can pivot can be confusing at times, especially for someone without much experience with ski equipment.
I am debating between the Jester and the Griffon. My DIN is set usually around 8-9 - based on research I've done, people have said that the griffons are easier to damage than the jesters due to the heel piece construction. As a skier who tends to work his gear hard, what would you recommend?
I got a 10 years old jester on my skis and its holding up good! Riding a Din 15 pretty hard!
Hey Soren! I would go with the Jester if you're worried about damaging your gear. Those of us who are hard on gear typically know we're hard on gear based on past experiences. You can break a heel piece of a Griffon more easily than a Jester, yes. Do most people have to worry about that? Absolutely not, but it's possible. The Jester has a magnesium heel piece, the Griffon is plastic.
Great review. I am very impressed with the quality of bindings these days. I can't think of the last time I had a pre-release, which used to be an issue in the 1980s :-) Only issue I've had with bindings in 20 years I'd say is the AFD moving plates under the toe of the boot. I've had 2 of these on Look bindings fail to the point where I had to get new toe pieces mounted to the skis. Not good, and Look didn't want to know about refunds in either case and they were under a month old in one case and 3 months the other. So I just opt for kit that doesn't have the moving plates to avoid repeat performances.
Great video thanks! I have Scarpa boots with interchangeable soles for touring & alpine setup. Does the Warden MNC need any special config or would it right away work for whichever sole I choose? (I use both soles depending on whether I’m using my alpine skis or touring setup, so want the flexibility)
Only thing you'll have to adjust is the toe height, which is pretty easy to do on your own.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for the info ✌🏻
A Question;
Tyrolia Attack 13 and Marker Squire. As far as I know Squire has Max 11 Din number. If you keep it around 6 or 7, what kind of problems can 160lbs aggressive skier face to?
I am not against paying more but the weight difference..
Thanks for the video!
The Attack 13 is a stronger binding overall. In my opinion, at your weight, as an aggressive skier, you're really pushing the limits of the Squire. Potential pre-release, or you could even completely break the binding. There are plenty of benefits to the Squire for lighter skiers, but I personally wouldn't recommend it to an aggressive skier of your size.
Hey quick question ,can I mount the Tyrolia Attack 11 GW in 95mm on a 102mm Ski ?
Yup, that should work just fine. At most, you might have to bend them ever so slightly, but I don't think you'll actually have to at all.
Hi Jeff,
Thanks to you and the team for putting these helpful videos together!
I’m 5’10” 162lb type 3 skier. I’m thinking about buying the Black Crows Camox 97 at 180.4 as an all mountain, trees, moguls, and plan to introduce myself to the park for the first in my 15 years of experience. Primarily ski west coast but will do occasional trips to VT/NH. I think my DIN is set to 7 when I have rented skis.
Trying to find a relatively lighter binding - have never tried pivot bindings but thought the Look Pivot 14’s would be good for me and wanted to get your thoughts!
What is another binding you would recommend for me? Also considering Attack 16 / STH 16
Hello! Pivot 14 would be an excellent binding for you. It will work really well with the Camox and is a fantastic binding for the terrain park. Good elastic travel, which means more confidence on landings, especially switch landings. Very durable too, so it will last you for years and years and years. I have no reason to recommend a different binding, although I do have full trust in the Attack 16 (used to compete on that binding), Jester, as well as the new Strive 16.
Hello!
I am a big moutain and freestyle backcountry skier. I have been skiing on the griffon for the past 3 years.
I was wondering if the pivots14/15 were worth the extra 200/500 or so grams over the griffon because I will buy new skis for next season.
(for information I skied the atris for the past 3years and I am looking into buying the revolt 104 and the anima)
200 grams isn't going to feel like a big difference. So, if you're looking for a slightly stronger binding, but one that's still relatively light, the Pivot 14 would be great. 500 grams will be noticeable. Some skiers don't mind it (I have Pivot 18s on a lot of my skis and don't mind the extra weight), although generally lighter and/or less aggressive skiers will notice a difference.
Are Shifts good for basic park performane also? Smaller jumps ? 360 spins? Some jibbing?
Yeah, for basic park skiing, they'll work fine. If you start hitting bigger jumps, doing bigger spins, etc, you'll probably want a stronger binding, or at least one with less moving parts.
How many actual binding manufacturers are there? For example Stockli sells their own DXM and SRT bindings, but I'm guessing somebody else makes them. What other bindings are rebranded and how do we know who actually makes them? Are there functional differences or only in appearance?
Tyrolia, Marker, Look, Salomon... those are the big 4 in my opinion. Yes, Salomon makes those Stockli bindings. You can usually tell just based on the design of the bindings, there are some giveaways for each of those 4 brands. Generally, no, there aren't any functional differences, just different colors and cosmetics.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks! I work as a Liftie, so I see lots of ski/binding combinations coming off the chair. Thanks for confirming what I'd begun to figure out. Great channel. Nice to hear a truly authoritative discussion about a subject where often, all one hears is, "Pick that one!"
Can you run a touring boot in the Look SPX 12?
GripWalk sole yes, Touring sole no. Sorry for the delayed response!
Attack 13s: Low stand height and lightweight, but become unnoticeable once I get up to speed. Cheap retail price, and can be found even cheaper during end of season sales. Preleased once randomly at slow speeds, but chalking it up as a freak incident and not enough to really deter me from Attacks. Oh, and the heel piece can be a b**** to adjust along the track to adjust for fwd pressure and bsl for new boots.
Griffons: Nothing really stood out to me IMO: not the lightest, lowest, or cheapest, but performs just fine. After experiencing a "phantom" step in issue however, I won't be going back to Griffons anytime soon (even with their redesigned heel piece). After a fall one time and clicking fully back in, my boot kept popping out the moment I put weight on it to turn. Kept repeating immediately one after the other no matter how much I cleared my soles and bindings of snow. I've read snow can get packed deep in the toe piece and hard to see, which I may have missed, but a binding should not click in if I'm going to get ejected immediately like I did lol.
STH2 13s: Skied fine but not sure I liked the taller stand height (which I get some people like). To be fair, I only had 1 or 2 days on these on a pair of fat pow sticks (Bent 120s). Currently have a pair of Pivot 15s on the way to go on my dailies, but will give the STH2s another try if I'm not feeling the Pivots.
For me Attack 13 is the definition of Prerelease. DIN 11 and 105kg was to mutch for this Binding. Pivot 14 was a Day to Night feeling. I just love the Heel. You can feel how it is working in the Park. This long release way is priceless.
Just got a pair of Technica Cochise 120 as I am planning on getting into more backcountry but need to update my resort bindings so I can use the grip walk soles. Looking between the griphons and the attack 14s. Is there any major difference between the two that I should be aware of?
Not a major difference, no. Grip Walk will work perfectly well with the Attack 13 too if you want to save a little money and get the lower stand height. It's only the rockered touring soles that don't work with Attack 13s.
Hi Jeff. Well made introduction. thank U.
Read comments as well, still not certain what would work for me, mainly because the type of skis is essential part of choosing bindings.
Will get to the point; I'm 6'10 , 178 lb, intermed/expert, groomer. Just got Liberty evolve 90 at 172 ( wanted to buy from u guys but u out of stock :( ) liked the idea of low point stand and elasticity . Can't say exactly a type of release 1 -3 I prefer , never badly crashed - thankfully . this is all info I can think of .
Please, if U would make your suggestions based on info I've provided, I could get on buying the one I need.
Thank U !
Griffon, Jester, SPX 12, or Pivot are probably the best options. Those all have the most elastic travel in the heel, which I think is where it's most beneficial. SPX 12 feels like a cool choice, actually...
just bought some bent 120’s and looking for a binding - stuck between the warden 13 and new sth 16. what are the main differences? what would you recommend? open to suggestions for other bindings.
Pivots
A lot of people prefer the toe of the STH over the Warden. Better connection to your boot, more precise power transfer, more elastic travel. I would go with the new Strive 14 over the Warden and if you're sticking with Salomon/Atomic, choose either Strive 14, 16, or STH 16. Pivots are always an excellent choice too. More expensive than more bindings, but excellent feel. Lots of elastic travel and a short drill pattern.
For race skis heavy is good. The force pulling you down the hill is the mass times g.
F=ma
Will a Tyrolia attack 13 95mm brake fit a 102mm width ski? Asking due to a sale, they don't have an option for the 100mm brake. Also, what are your thoughts on the Head Attack 2 13 GW binding? Cheers
yes, they should fit.
It'll be tight, but they should fit. At worst it would just require a little bit of trimming/stretching.
Any thoughts on the Look NX 11? Is it limited to smaller skiiers like the other cheap bindings you discuss?
In my opinion, there are some limitations with that binding, yeah. I wouldn't recommend it to a heavier skier or someone who is aggressive. The heel piece is light and without much elastic travel, so may be prone to pre-releasing for bigger skiers.
How is DIN calculated? Does it related to foot-pounds of pressure or am I was off track?
Hello! Not off track at all. The DIN number is indicating what range of Nm release values the bindings will have. I've only ever seen those values in Nm, but certainly could be expressed in foot-pounds too.
Been skiing for about 50 yrs on and off. Just bought a pair of Salomon Stance 90 and my plan is to put a pair of STH2 16 on them. Do you think the DIN is bit too much? Weigth is about 77 kg. I’m a relatively aggressive skier who mostly prefer high speed, long carving turns on groomers but has also done some off piste skiing on a pair of Black Crows Sevun with PX12 set on 8-9.
Not too much. As long as they're adjusted by a certified binding technician, you're getting a quality binding!
My local ski shop guy who does all their bindings says Salomon consistently has the most accurate DIN settings according to whatever instrument he uses to test them, so he uses those and recommends them. Sounds like that is as good of a differentiator as anything else.
My first and longtime all-rounder ski binding is a Look SPX, and my new powder-ski binding is a Salomon and...
tere is no debate, the Look bindings look the best!
My personal preference for bindings is Look, but there's a lot to like about the Salomon design. I especially like the STH toe piece.
Jeff, thank you for the video!
I bought my first set of skis recently, 2024 K2 Mindbender 89ti, and chose the Marker Squire 11 (without doing too much prior research). I am an intermediate skier 5'11'' & 175 lbs. I have about 10 days of skiing on them and have not had any issues so far but they do feel flimsy, especially as I am beginning to ski advanced terrain & bumps.
Would you recommend changing them now (if so what would you recommend as an alternative?) or should I take my chances for the time being? Thanks so much!
I think you are right in that they are fine. The Marker Griffon will feel more substantial, but will likely not make a big difference when it comes to sheer performance. Confidence, yes, but performance, not quite as much.
Pivot 18 vs jester 18 ? You feel more difference betweek mounting them on a park or big mountain ski ? (I intend to mount one of this two on a big mountain ski)
In my opinion, you notice the difference more in the park. Really I think it's firmer snow conditions when you're really flexing the ski where you start to feel the difference in the Pivot. In softer now and on bigger, wider skis, there isn't as much of a difference. A lot of skiers like the Jester as it just feels super solid.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks !!
Great video. I just ordered some k2 90ti mind benders. I'm 6ft 225lbs. Also have head advant 85 boots. Any suggested bindings? Intermediate and not very aggressive.
Marker Griffon should be plenty of binding for you, or Tyrolia Attack 13. Both of those pair well with the Mindbender 90.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for taking the time and responding.
I have a look pivot from 2010...has it changed at all since then? Worth getting a new set?
It really hasn't changed at all since 2010. You can get a GW compatible toe piece with the 15 and 18 now, but aside from that and new colors, it's the same binding.
hello i am 172cm tall and my weight is 52 kilos i am looking for a binding good for my weigt i ride park and all moutain wat is the best option for me
Tyrolia Attack 13, Marker Griffon 13, SPX 12, or you could bump it up to something like the Pivot 14. Those first 3 bindings are going to work well for most park/all-mountain skiers in my opinion.
@@SkiEssentials thanks
look pivot cast free tour > shift and duke
I definitely think there are benefits to that setup for certain skiers. I have some close friends who are big "let's go build a BC jump for a day then hit it the next day" kind of skiers and they all love the CAST system.
I’ve been looking at experimenting with Delta/ramp angle. I was wondering if there’s a binding that you would suggest to do that with that has a changeable toe or heel height or both
Most of that stuff is aftermarket--experimenting with lifters and such. The Pivot used to come with shims for the toe--I think they were 2mm shims, and you had to use the longer screws that came with the binding. I do not think they do that anymore.
I got Salomon STH2 WTR 16, Salomon Warden MNC 13, Salomon Guardian MNC 16 and Salomon MNC Shift 13 and I like them all.
Great video!
Thanks! All great bindings.