Can You Weld TIG and MIG at the Same Time?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Have you ever heard of the technology that combines TIG and MIG welding? is it posible to weld MIG and TIG at the same time? Well today we are finding out. We got a Tip Tig machine in the Weldtube shop and we are going to put this TIG/MIG hybrid to the test, stand by.
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As a professional welder myself, I wouldn't recommand to learn this way. Don't get me wrong, that TIG is impressive. It has MAJOR drawbacks though. One, welding from this position on a rotating tube, forget it. Unless you work in a factory, but on the field, yeah no. Tubes are sometimes so close to the wall, that beak ain't going through.
Second, doing the filling like that is very pretty and all, but not time efficient. You're mostely going to use electrodes for it. The root with TIG remains since it's easy to control, allows for a nice low amp setting. But for filling, most of the time you're gonna use electrodes. Or MAG with cored wire if you're outside and your company has some money to spare on the machine.
Third, and I would definitely recommand this, learn to weld from the very bottom to the very top, doing the tube in halves. Your going to have to switch your hand doing the other side. More difficult to manage your weld but learning this way made me a much better welder. Remember you'll always have to adapt to your workplace, and welding in tiny places, sometimes with a mirror is going to be required, depending where you work of course.
Also remember, you might have to fill the inside of the tube with some inert gas for stainless tubes.
But nice job, beautiful weld here! Took me a while to get some of those right ^^
Alex I'm with you. He did a very nice job. But at this point in my life I'm gonna stick to traditional crap. Where I work everything needs to get done as fast as possible.
@@johnsellers2999 Productivity is crucial in many companies, unfortunately. That being said, some companies have to work on what I call "beauty" pieces, so you can take your time, not to mention nuclear power plants or industrial agriculture where you have to follow a certain MO and have all your welds checked with radios and whatnot. But for most of my welding career, the motto was always "Crank the amps up, do it faster. If it looks bad, just grind and polish the crap out of it."
I been a pipe welder for 55 years power house mostly. And I thought the same thing. In a fab shop on a positioned it would kick out inches. But welding boiler tube no.I GUESS I'm old school 1/8 rod 1/8 gap and1/8 tungsten. .AND coming off the bottom of a 6" wall Hot Weld at 600 degrees it would not be worthwhile.
Alex Guigui dici che questo impianto TipTig non è veloce se viene impiegato in magazzino su rullo rotante ? È più produttivo saldare in tig tradizionale rispetto al TipTig?
In officina su banco va benissimo.
Questa macchina può essere utili per i principali
worked 6 months on the very machine:
- headpiece is skethy af while welding on high amperages gets unwinded on its own, you will adjust it pretty often, for that you have to carry small ass allen wrench that gets constantly lost
- inside the suitcase the oscillating mechanism in resting on single linear bearing with aluminium body and when the sliding tube btw mechanism and torch sleeve gats jammed, oscillating mechanism teard threads inside linear bearing derailing itself, and BAM you`re in for service
- try wiggling that torch 5-10 hours
These were some incredible arch shots.
Soooo satisfying. The quality in the shots are amazing!
Respect from Russia👍🏼 you cool man!
Look Igor negoda, you like!✋👌
As a guy who mig weds every day but really wants to be a tig welder I really really like this setup.
a couple of questions, please-
75/25 or 100% argon?
3/32 0r 1/8" tungsten???
whats the machine cost!
Thanks- Great Video!
Dave
Still 100% argon, its only feeding in filler👍
you really asking what a miller dynasty cost?
@@swell07_ the tip tig is a separate machine
Gee-wizz.., i wouldn't mind using that modified tig hand-piece with auto.wire feed..nice.."simplicity"/ mods @ it's best.. natural technique. awesome presento video 👍🤙☀️
continue without stopping as hard as your hands as long as you don't get tired ... awesome hybrid
tiptigusa.com
To learn more about this process.
I like that kind of work.
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There is a bloke down-under (Australia) that has a custom frame building machine for hot rods, he has an automated 3-D set up to weld his frames with. He uses an automated filler metal feed w/ a machine TIG torch and a THC similar to what is used on a CNC plaz tables. Works like a champ.
@@warrenquijano9523 a
I like that machine.so nice and you dnt need another machine.
Hello colleague
. Few people know this technique. I happened to find out about it shortly before I retired. From the city of Thessaloniki with love. HELLAS
We've always called it "hot wire TIG". Good friend of mine here in Houston, developed and leased machines that done the root pass using this, from the inside of a pipe, using a remote controlled welding device. Crazy setup. No idea what happened to the technology when he passed a few years ago.
That is what happens WE old guys take are stuff with us ...HaHa...............
Actually its COLD WIRE ADDITION. We were doing that 40 years ago. . Nothing new here. ,,,,, And I quit watching this vid after less then a minute. - This guy needs to drop poorly done Macho-MAn Randy Savage imitation. OHH YEAAAA
@@mathewmolk2089 I'm just telling you what we always called it. And what the man who designed and built the automated machine to do it, called it.
You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want.
@@dieselguy62 hot wire has a current going through the wire, giving more penetration. Cold wire simply feeds the wire. Thats the difference between them👍
@@kf8575 all depends where you're from and who you're talking to.
I'm gonna go with what the guy who developed the machines calls it
Tip Tig has been around for along time …… developed in the US but never took off…… widely used in Europe for years and within the last 10 yrs making a big come back in the states……. Have trained and run this process…… works great on stainless too !! Literally 1 pass on sch 10
Its new and i'm excited to try it myself.Great job guys.All your vids has been imformative and it helps alot so keep it up.Shouting you guys out from trinidad in the caribbean.
Really seeing it first hand versus hearing about it was hard to believe? A hell of game changer!
That is one awesome machine. That would be so fun to use.
Never seen nothing like this!
Great video 💯💯👊🏽🦅
Please don’t give my boss any ideas I’m gonna have mig and tig in one hand and the stinger in the other
Lol
@ johnny canals, funny, My boss expects a grinder in one hand, torch in the other, hot cable over shoulder and you can only guess where i would like to place the stinger!!
Don't worry, it is not cheap. Like 25/30k if you're wandering 😁🤟
Like I posted elsewhere, I don't have to worry about it, my place is too cheap to ever get me anything better than a mig wire feeder to hold in my left hand.
I have to use one that's on top of the mig welder machine.
Excelente clase maestro trabaja chingon de amadre profecional saludos desde Chicago il 🇲🇽
Wow a great innovation in tig welding process, make a job well done and convenient..
That is really super interesting... Kool product for sure.. And, absolutely superb camera shots...
Been doing it in our shop for years, try it without rolling the pipe.
I’d like to see him do it on 2” SS tubing beverage sanitary rolling the fittings is ok.
@@mynameisnobody4409 it’s not intended for fusion welding, not sanitary tube where you don’t need filler… duh.
I do it tig welder in right and mig welder lead in left hand. Luckily I just have to do straight lines
I would love to use this
The material is carbon steel or stainless..??
2018 i use this machine in my job, my ex company used inconel material for aramco project..
I think you know this project my brother.
Success and peace 👍🏻✌🏼
Perfect, I just took one of these from the first aid kit at work, and had no idea what I was looking at when I busted it open. Hahah.
Nice equipment very good work
Good weld , enjoyed watching . Neat stuff for sure.!!!!!!!!!!1
Its undoubtedly the future of Tig welding for sure once its enhanced a little more
Thanks for the content! Always learn so much when I watch your videos!
I've seen a guy MIG with both hands and do an AWESOME job. A shipbuilder.
The north sea tiger?
Did he use two live migs or one live and the other cold feed?
Congratulations this class was very cool here in Brazil👋👋👋👍👍👍👍
Pretty slick tig rig.
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So I’m curious how much shielding gas did you use to complete a weld like this? Educated guess on cubic feet is all I’m looking for. Thanks for sharing another great video with us.👍😎
How I’m actually surprised it worked as well as it did
I just got asked about this process today bro,didnt know anything about it ,until now !!!!!!!!🍻
Thats sweet! Thanks for the vid!
I was tasked at the shop I worked at about 8 years ago when this process started it was very awkward to get started with they had a guy come demonstrate it I was the only one that could get it to work kinda funny the demonstrator had troubles I had to figure out not knowing anything about it it was ok but I will stick with conventional tig
Do this all the time at my job. Its also known as ' cold feed '.
I use a tig welder in right hand and mig welder wire feed with power disconnected in left hand.
Why is it called cold feed
@@tomkarani8954 I don't really know, thats just what its called. Probably because the wire is not charged, not part of the circuit, just fed in from the side.
On a mig welder the wire is part of the circuit and the arc occurs off the end of the wire itself.
They make regular feeder machines for this purpose and they are known as
' cold feed ' machines. I am just using a mig welder wire feeder with no welder power applied.
The problem with that is for what I do I need the wire to run very slow and the speed I use on a Miller wire feeder is just under, right on, or a tiny bit over .5 on the wire speed scale. Not a lot of adjustment.
This process does add a preheat current to the wire and also adds an oscillating motion to the wire to stir the melt pool. Less porosity and more deposition than other techniques when set up properly. The process was patented in 1998 think so bound to become popular when the patent runs out.
@@KallePihlajasaari pre- heating the wire sounds like something I was once thinking of for totally different soldering process I do.
wow what a amazing job you done ! I first time saw like that ! good job bro. I appreciate bro.
You forgot to mention that wire is coming out "hot" that's a hot wire semi- auto tig process
Basically...."cold wire feed" TIG process. Uses a different design torch, but has been use to weld tubes inside box headers for around 20 years. Developed by a company in Tulsa Oklahoma.
This is two steps past cold wire feed TIG. It has current added to the wire, you can even see the wire lug on the nose, and TIP TIG add an oscillation to the wire feed that stirs the melt pool to remove gasses and allow higher deposition rates. When done right it has advantages on most other systems.
Excellent video Hand! Excellent photography!
Great video, amazing technology. But I have a feeling that the torch may be very stiff to wave with.
Soldar assim rodando no suporte é super fácil, quero ver fazer uma solda perfeita assim em campo, lá na obra onde tudo acontece e você tem que soldar o tubo na posição que ele se encontra sem poder girar.
I would love to try that equipment out!
Magnifique ! Good job ! Big UP de France 🦾
I realy like these idea
Slick would like to try this process
muy durisimo gracias, nunca habia visto esta combinacion tan buena.
Fantastic arc shots!
Works great with tight gaps and even little mis-match
best arc shot
Good for fab shop! Coming off the bottom of a 2" in a bad spot I will take the 17 rig with 1/8 rod1/8 gap 1/8 tungsten and put a wedding ring inside. Bechtel smile is what it's called
Trabajo de calidad 🙏🏻🔥saludos de eagle pass tx
What you have done amounts to a hot wire fed tig. May I ask what you have your voltage set at on the mig? Or is this just a cold wire feeder?
I Am Argon welder 6 years Experience
Yeah man big up from london .first time watching you. Am learnt mag /mig welding .arc stick welding and some tig . Basic course but am getting there good
good for production work
Bravo Tip Tig Welding
You can pound a nice root in on sch. 10 with this thing. It’s heavy though and awkward
I hope this process gets better in time. Now, globular transfer is much smoother.
Was patented in 1998 I think. Will become popular once the big boys can implement it without having to licence patents.
I want one now. Can you hold the filler wire tube in your filler hand and use it that way?
If you have access to a mig welder, even one of those little 110 volt ones, you might try disconnecting the welder power and use just the feeder to feed wire into tig weld.
Been doing it 16 years. For most welding it needs to go really slow. I run right off the bottom of the scale on Miller mig feeder ( . 5 speed )
Crack capo saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
What an awesome vid..
Well done matey...
That's how tig welding robot works😁😁👍👍
If this shooting electrified mig wire and shoot tig arc at the same time? or is the mig wire just melting from the tig action.
Both.
would love to see this on aluminum😁👍
Excellent video fellas!!
Yeah we weld this out at space x on starship
Quick answer, yes. The wire spool GTAW setups are awesome.
So if your just doing straight tig can it be a 16th below flush as well?
Ono verry nice good job brod
Amazing sir..
First time i have seen
Hola siempre miro sus videos .seria posible hacer un video en español . Para vertical acendente . Con una máquina miller triblazer 325 y un suitcase y fluxcore .045" nr- 211-mp 0sea E71t-11
Cracias espero puedan .
Quero uma maquina dessa .t89ig mig agora e o ultimo em soldagen tig .velocidade qualidade resultado final excelente custo beneficio com excelentes margens .pois servicos de soldas especializadas tem autissimos custos
Killer weld very nice tool for stainless but why are you tiging Carbon steel
Nice video, clean weld no bbs
Перегрев металла судя по цвету шва. Мало одного потока проволоки, нужно как минимум два и большего сечения. (Overheating of the metal judging by the color of the seam. One thread of wire is not enough, at least two or more sections are needed.)
Woww thats increíble 🤩❤️ congratulations
Nice layer🤝👍
Very good brother 👍👍
very good ! what is this type of adaptation called at tig?
TipTig tiptigusa.com
Exelente mucho más práctico en menos tiempo.
looks awesome. bosses would never let me buy one.
damnnn, this is sick, loved the video
I am from indonesia, you good man
Very nice welding bro keep it up God bless
great view at 7:20
That's a Shop Cat for you....Easy Peasy
Excellent video!
Great work, best regards
Nice job bro
There are industries where electrode welding is unacceptable. Food industry, medicine, chemical production. I will remain silent about fantastic nuclear reactors and spaceships. I had little experience using this technology, it’s cool! For installation of pipelines close to the wall, I had experience using the Fronius FCH end FOH with the FPA welding process controller. This is fantastic technology. But it costs a lot of money, it's sad. A simple welder cannot buy this for himself, but if you have a good customer, you can take out a loan and earn money.
how about the interpass temperature it's approved as per wps
Okay man thank you
awesome video😁👍 is this a new procedure? and it's it certified as TIG or MIG?
It has been around 20 years already. It is TIG process with oscillating hot wire feed.
what gas you using??
I feel like the only real advantage to this is that you could basically have ac mig? That’s the only option I can think of with tig that just isn’t a thing on mig machines. Otherwise this honestly seems like an extremely bulky solution to a problem that doesn’t exist