Are Cheap Power Tool Batteries better than DeWalt 20V OEM Lithiums? Let's find out!
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2020
- $59 DCB-205 20V Dewalt OEM Lithium Ion, $26 Vanon, and $27 Waitley 20V Lithium Ion batteries compared for performance. Batteries tested for high and moderate drain performance and cold temperature performance. Battery pack dismantled and individual cells tested for milliamp hour (mAh) capacity and internal resistance. Advertised watt hours calculated and compared to calculated watt hour performance.
Products Tested In This Video (in no particular order):
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Vanon: amzn.to/31jVa7u
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Thanks to everyone who suggesting this video idea and please let me know if there are other brands you'd like tested for round 2. Here's the list of batteries that I tested. Thanks again, Todd
Products Tested In This Video (in no particular order):
DeWalt: amzn.to/2Efg9jh
Waitley: amzn.to/3aM0fbQ
Vanon: amzn.to/31jVa7u
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could you test these ni-cad to li-on converters for older DeWALT gear?
Bravo!
You are welcome, do you also realize people on here speak english? not Amps, Wats, or hours and in some cases not old english C*? Love the channel by the way, keep it up but can you make a dumb educational video for the rest of us, to get the basics?
just an FYI:
Dewalt calculates their Watt hour ratings incorrectly compared to a lot of other big name manufacturers. Because they use peak voltage (20V, or 4V per series cell.) This is wrong because you never ever use peak voltage to calculate a Wh rating. Wh ratings are supposed to be calculated using the nominal voltage multiplied by amp hours. (3.6V nominal in the case of Li-Ion battery cells)
Both Makita and Milwaukee correctly rate their 5.0 Ah packs at 90 Wh because they use a nominal voltage of 18V.
And funnily enough, both companies also use the exact same Samsung 25R cells in their 5.0 Ah packs, same as Dewalt does. Which is great idea for a video comparison since a lot of people like to pretend that their preferred power tool company uses extra special cells (red lithium?) compared to the competition.
But in reality they all source from the same 3-4 manufacturers. Samsung, LG, Murata(used to be SonyChem) & Sanyo-Panasonic.
This is great information and explains why my math didn't come out to 100 AH. Makita and Milwaukee seem to have a more honest approach. Thank you!
This is correct. All tools advertised as 20V lithium are misrepresenting the facts. The no-load voltage may be 20V, but the loaded voltage is 18V, and the OP is correct that the WH rating must be calculated using the nominal voltage, not the peak (no-load) voltage. While there is a technically valid claim to be 20V, I consider it being deliberately misleading, aka, lying.
“Red Lithium” doesn’t refer to special cells, it refers to he smart communication between battery and tool. It’s to distinguish them from Milwaukee’s older lithium batteries. Nothing special about them other than their ability to communicate and determine how much power is available for instantaneous delivery at any given time.
Now, the High Output (and Ridgid’s Octane) batteries use different cells, 21700 rather than 18650, so they can deliver higher amperage for a given number of cells. Of course, that makes the packs a bit larger and slightly heavier than a comparably rated pack using 18650 cells, but you can pack more MAh into a 21700, so it’s possible to get up to 4.0AH in a compact battery pack at significantly lower weight than an older 4.0Ah pack using 18650 cells.
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Aa BB what about Kobalt with their 24 volt tooling? I'm thinking about getting a cordless impact wrench and while I know the Dewalt is a good tool they are a bit pricey. So I was thinking about either going with Kobalt or Ridgid, leaning toward the latter because of their warranty. Thanks for the information.
@@Parents_of_Twins unless your using every single day for your profession,I would just go with dirt cheap harbor freight cordless tools...for the most part theyre just as good as dewalt makita Milwaukee ect.
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I'm surprised you didn't test the battery degradation after many cycles, which is probably the biggest concern when dealing with a cheaper battery of any kind.
Safety is probably a bigger concern than the cycles with the cheap bois
ive had my waitley 9.0 m12s for about a year now and they last wayyy longer then my xc 4.0s
would you be willing to wait until 2025 for the results?
@@veryslyfox Oh yessss.... Life time is the point.
@@veryslyfoxit's all about number of cycles, you can stimulate years of use just by charging and discharging them in a loop
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@_ David _ That doesn't mean they don't send him all sorts of free stuff anyway. Big RUclipsrs get stuff sent to them whether they want it or not. And Leo, if he's only getting $2600 for a video with almost 2 million views, he needs to figure out why Scotty Kilmer would be getting $15K for that and he isn't. Great channel, though, I do like what he does, so I'm a new subscriber. Seems like a nice guy, fairly competent. BUT... for EVERY VIDEO I've watched, there are people posting their worries about how much he spends on stuff he tests. For him to not shut that down and tell them they don't need to worry, that he's pulling down real money from each video, and the tested items are a cost of doing business, tax deductible, is a bit ridiculous. At least Kilmer admitted that he made about $7.5 million from his first billion views. So, it's good business for a major reviewer to not accept sponsors, not something to award them an integrity medal for. And it's impossible to prevent free stuff from showing up on your doorstep anyway. Either you let it corrupt you or you don't. I'm assuming this guy, just like Kilmer, is unaffected by it, if/when it happens. Kilmer is currently giving his viewers $100K of mostly free stuff sent to him that piled up in his garage over the years.
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He must be "ONE OF US", Doc. We're ATUs. (Articulate Tool Users)
I bought a Waitley after watching this video. It lasted about 10 months (with 1 year warranty). It would only charge to about 15v (1 bar or charge). I opened it after getting my replacement battery and found that 4 of the 10 18650 batteries had failed. Considering the Dewalt has a 3 year warranty, which they honor based on the battery date, and I doubt Waitley will warranty the replacement battery since they require a receipt and the batteries are not date stamped, I would purchase the Dewalt battery if I had it to do over again. Dewalt will be better value over time even at twice the price.
I guess it's true you get what you pay for
Excellent points!!!! 👍👍
This is a very valuable feedback.
i guess would depend on how much you use your drill tbh if you only use every once and while i dont see point buying/paying double for the dewalt batts when most likely the reason your dewalt died to start with was from infrequent use. most 18650 have about same cycle life as long as your use within the stated cell parameters and you store the batts in right conditions ie around 70%charge.
Possible you got a dud next time go with Amazon and just bait and switch ;)
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I'm going to have to agree with you. His videos are always rapid paced with fast cuts to achieve maximum results in minimal time.
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Wow man. This video goes way above and beyond what I’d have expected from any RUclips battery review. No filler, no bias, no subscribe begging, all valuable information. I have no idea why you never popped up in my feed before.
Thanks!
This definitely calls for a dewalt vs milwaukee showdown
DeWalt, Milwaukee, Kobalt......
that be nice to see which brand has the better lasting battery
Just stay away from mikita and ryobi ;)
I like it!! Thanks for the recommendation!
Don't forget Ryobi. I got 4 years and lost count on how many hundreds of pounds of screws I have put in with one cheap drill combo set with smaller lithium batteries from them. They are still going strong. I can't believe it.
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Idea: Best Shop Vacuum? Best suction, rated vs actually HP (some advertise a peak HP), other useful features that make one a good buy for specific jobs over others. How to get the most out of a shop vac?
Great recommendation! Thank you
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Amazing idea... Very expensive though 😅
Yeah, I wanna see this!
See which one can hold up a bowling ball!! Like them old shark vac commercials!!
You did a recent test on Mobil 1 VS the new Rotella trk oil , I switched and saved $8 a gallon , thanks thanks thanks
Nice! That's a great savings!
If you have a Costco in your area you should check the oil prices, I recently grabbed 21 gallons of Rotella for under $7 a gallon.
I'm sad, here in Brasil I don't find this Shell oil :/
My next oil change, my Toyota 4Runner is getting the Rotella!
Still waiting for new shell and Schaefers comparison.
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There are dozens of videos on this subject. This is the only one that actually gives me enough information to determine whether name brand are worth the cost. I'm subscribing, and thank you.
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When he started explaining the testing method, I clicked like. So detailed, no qualms nor complaints here.
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Just stumbled across your channel while searching for a snow blower that might take Dewalt Batteries since they don't make one. I need one and want to go with batteries, but may end up with a corded electric.
On another note, I really like your video production. Very concise, quick, you never stumble for words and the science seems solid. I like how you speed up through some of the laborious sections of unloading , reloading the batteries and checking their meters.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do! Thanks for watching!
Video Idea: Garage Shelving Units - A lot of these units say they can hold 800, 1000, 200 pounds per shelf. I would like to see if you could test these out. I bet we would get a lot damage from these failures and some good information for you and the viewers. Thanks for always producing great videos. I watch all the ads in your videos, I hope that brings some pennies your way.
Would be interested to know this. I know folks use em for aquatic purposes which can really bring on the weight
There's already a video testing wall fixtures dude.
@@Promethium666 Hes talking free standing shelving units. those plastic or wooden shelf units Walmart and the like sell
Yes! I ordered and installed some for my wife's parents garage. Now I want some shelves for my own garage, so I need to know what best shelves to get.
Fantastic idea!
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I just wish the sample size was larger. Still very happy with the quality of testing with such a low sample size, better than any other RUclipsr I watch
Consumer Reports probably has a bigger budget to do tests of larger scale and size, but I still trust and respect Project Farm.
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@@ProjectFarm Can you test those batteries for torque throughout discharge? ie Knowing how long my saw will run is not the same as how many cuts I could get out before its starts bogging and binding.
Some day, when you have some time, you should catalog every test results you found on all the tools, oils, batteries, etc. Catalog it all by brand name and see the company's successes and faults within their products.
You do amazing work and I consider this almost like the show mythbusters, but in a completely different light. Thank you for your work.
Great suggestion! Thank you
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@Daniel Kintigh Well did anyone?
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Its time for new bats here and I was wondering about these aftermarkets? Once again I knew right where to go learn before buying anything.
Another excellent video, thanks again for all your hard work...
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I love those bar graphs at the end of every section! Please never stop doing that!
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You have one of the highest quality channels on RUclips I’ve ever seen. You have helped more people then you could imagine and have shared your knowledge with so many people. God bless you, and thank you for being a blessing for so many
Appreciate that!
This is about the 3rd or 4th time ive came across one of your videos being relevant to something i have been researching. I appreciate your content and production. most content producers waste time by rambling or repeating themselves and require me to skip ahead skip ahead constantly, you keep it nice a concise. Also thank you for maintaining good volume -- m y aux speaker port i messed up on my laptop (which is aincent) and the speakers dont get very loud- no problems hearing you however. i also like that you verify all your claims bby testing things with proper alicable test equipment and disclose all that .. A+ grade for you projectfarm
Thanks so much!
Very helpful, I tried the Waitley @ $35 and another @ $25, returned both and purchased the Dewalt original, you confirmed my decision, thanks.
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I was literally looking at new batteries last night trying to decide if the cost is worth it or not. Thank you for all the amazing information you share in every video!
Perfect timing! Thank you!
it comes down to how much you use the cordless tool and how much you depend on it. With batteries, you get what you pay for, (with diminishing returns at the high end).
one thing i have learned (expecially watching this channel) is that some of the cheap knock off companies end up being the exact same thing in different packaging. Obviously not the case here. And with how much use I get out of my tools the dewalt is worth the extra
@@sum1liteamatch another good reason to go for the name brand if you use them alot is the durability of the cases, ive dropped my dewalt impact from over 20 ft before and it came out with just a few scratches, some of these cheaper ones I bet would just break apart
Great job doing that in under 14 mins. Other YT bloggers would stretch that over 30 mins,
You're right at the least 30 minutes and a million ad's!
The unboxing would be longer than this video.
+1 for most useful reviews on RUclips. Thank you for the hard work on useful subjects!
Very interesting video! I have a Makita 18v drill driver combo. But based on your videos I just picked up many Makita 12v tools. For most applications that I do, they work great. I am just a weekend warrior DIY'er. Thank you for your videos! They are the best by far. I do love that they are not sponsored, or influenced.
Great to hear! Thank you!
I'm amazed that you have the time and energy to keep putting out these videos as well as run a farm. Thanks again.
Thank you for the feedback
Consumer Reports has nothing on you . Thanks for making some decisions easier , God bless you sir !
I appreciate that!
I appreciate your editing. This video is to the point and no garbage. A rarity on RUclips.
Thanks!
I just want to thank you for this review. I managed to get a 2 pack of the Waitley batteries thanks to you. So far so good.
I only have 3AH Dewalt batteries to compare them to but so far they are proving to be a great buy. I’m using them in a Dewalt Impact wrench and the Tire inflator .
Thanks again
You are welcome!
Used for 2 years - still excellent !! i bought Waitley DCB200 6.0A Replacement Battery - Dewalt 20v. I use these in several Dewalt tools - impact wrench, drill, reciprocating saw, etc. These tools run for many days before requiring recharge. I haven't timed it, but they recharge very quickly - guessing two hours or so. I can only remember two instances when I ran one of the batteries all the way down. That was my experience, you be the judge.
I have an idea, The torque ratings on impact wrenches seems to be astronomical compared to how they perform. Both pneumatic and cordless.
Thank you for the feedback
Never really thought about that when it takes my 1000ftlb impact a couple sec to spin a bolt out. Like wouldn't actual 1k ftlbs just knock the head off?
You dont feel the power and torque of a 700lbs dewalt impact , unless you have a wrench on the anvil and try to hold it, its brutal , dangerous and it can break your bones, I dont recommend it, don't try it
I have a DeWalt and it never failed to get a bolt off, it's rare I have to pull out the 3/4 or 1" impacts.
Impact drivers/burp guns only generate that level of torque for a fraction of a second, many times repeatedly.
Test cheap versus expensive wrenches/breaker bars/ratchets/sockets.
That'd be a good show
(Edited for spelling)
Thank you for the video idea!
AvE already did
Definitely include performance tool or Willmar in that test.
Where would you rate snap-on on that scale of cheap/expensive? Lol
The problem I've had with off-brand batteries is that they were worn out after about a year. My Ryobi batteries, one the other hand, last about 5 years, so that's what I'm sticking with, even at twice the price.
Thanks for sharing.
Agreed. Also, my off-brand batteries couldn't power my snow thrower which requires more power than hand tools. The off brand stuff kept going in auto-protection off mode. Ryobi cost more than imitations but handle all tools, store more energy and last longer. My experience.
This was exactly what I wanted to see!
Thank you for doing what I don’t have time to do, but finally showing me what I needed to know.
You are welcome!
This channel never ceases to amaze me. Such awesome content, and seminar level tests... 👍👍👍👍
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
Specs from a lab are deceiving. REAL WORLD testing is hard to come by and that’s what this channel does.
Thank you very much!
@@ProjectFarm Planning on any long term follow up testing? How many charge/discharge cycles each brand lasts, capacity left (if any) after all that?
PS great video thanks!
To be fair, ignoring whats on the batterypack casing/specs, the actual description on the 18650 batteries themselves is plenty telling of the capability.
Samsung produces some of the worlds best 18650 batteries and I'm not surprised the '1st party brand' pack uses those.
If you're interested in learning more about 18650 cells check out this link:
www.18650batterystore.com/Best-18650-Battery-Guide-s/142.htm
Especially when some things are like "last 50x longer" or something. Yeah it will last 50x longer than the absolute cheapest worst possible similar product, it still means nothing
mrmatalino but with lab level precision
Just ordered four of the Waitley 6Ah batteries on the strength of this video review, thanks for your efforts!
You are welcome!
It's been awhile since you did this comparison, so I would like to see it done again and, since I'm invested in Ryobi 18 volt tools, I'd like to see the off brand replacements for those batteries rated with your very thorough methodology. Prices have changed and pressure from cheaper replacements may have brought OEM prices down and the quality of knockoffs may have gone up enough to change the outcome. I think it would be interesting to see. Halfway through 2022 and you still have the best "comparison/review" channel on YT!
Thanks!
The true test would be how many times they can be recharged before they affected usage time.
Great point!
Would be nice to see the performance numbers but I would expect them to still rank the same.
Then cheap ones win. I've tested for several years. Aftermarket beat dewalt oem
@@SgtJoeSmith calling.b.s
I've had my Dewalt 20v batteries for years and they still work great. Keep them charged
Absolutely love this channel! One of the best there is quality wise which makes for very informative and interesting videos. Can't wait until you hit 1,000,000 subs!
Thank you very much!!
This is a proper, high quality review! Thanks for putting the effort on making this video. Subscribed !!
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
This guy is definitely one of the most thorough guys when it comes to comparing videos! Awesome content!
Thanks so much!
The amount of testing and rigs you make really shows us you enjoy doing this, keep up the great work 👍
Thank you very much!
Fantastic! You have now opened a can of worms. Lol. You NEED to test dewalt vs makita vs milwaukie.......... this would be great.
I have had really bad luck with aftermarket batteries. You just showed me why. Thanks.
I'll do it if there's enough interest. I'm just reluctant to spend the $ if the interest isn't there. I'll check back later to see if there are a lot of likes/interest.
@@ProjectFarm I also have about 20 makita batteries that are "bad" meaning the charger will no longer charge them. Mabey u could test these?
my original Makita batteries are still working after over 15 years im sure they also have the Samsung 25r 18650 cells in em. Sony vtc5a would be just as good or better
AvE has done this already
I really depend on your testing to guide me when I do buy power tools and batteries. I am a dewalt guy, this is my 48th year in the business. I just want to thank you for giving me an insight to other brands vs dewalt. Now I can honestly say I know what I'm buying because of you. Thank you for this educational channel.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Your vids are insane high quality. Thanks bro!
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I’ve been watching your videos for quite a while, and you truly deserve a sincere thank you. You really put the consumer’s interest and well being first, and deliver great real-world testing. One may not be immediately enthralled by the concept of watching different oils tested against each other, but your passion and energy for these tests makes these videos incredibly enjoyable, while also giving good data. I appreciate your work! :D
Thank you very much for the positive comments!
I’ve got some of the Dewalt 18v batteries that lasted almost 8 years (I always write the date of purchase on new batteries). They lost some run time toward the end of life, but were still functional. That impressed me.
Thanks for sharing.
Yes my husbands just started to lose its charge this July, the battery is dated July 2012
I still have good working batteries from 2010. None of the newer ones I bought have lasted that long.
There are some older tools I still love. My two old 14.4v Ryobi drills are still in great shape, but the NiCd batteries were dead. So I bought 2 compatible Lithium replacements. They actually worked well.
Thanks for the feedback.
Great comparison and data , I love the fact that you show these data on the screen , instead of just words
Thanks!
Project Farm is on another Level. I love this!
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Idea: "Use" them all once a week for a few months and come back with a followup video.
Make sure to dropped them several times as well. The main reason I stick to name brand batteries is I know how clumsy I am sometimes.
durability and longevity tests are a great idea, i think it might also be interesting to see if they can perform in hot or humid conditions as well
Or power cycle them using a fan to keep them from overheating. Measure when they are at eighty, fifty, and twenty percent.
One of four of each brand was disassembled. 1 can be light weekly duty, 1 can be drop/durability tested, and the last stored as directed.
After 6 months, the video would have some valuable information everyday people can understand and make use of.
I am on 6 months with my 2 chinese batteries. Use them daily on 5 different tools in a commercial setting. Big impact, grease guns, circular saw. They are decent for the money but best to buy the DeWalts when they are on sale.
This video is exactly what I was looking for! Great job comparing the three batteries!
Thank you!
Nice to see that you've grown so much recently that you've changed from "I read just about every comment" to "as many as I can". Another great vid this time.
Thank you for the feedback
I know you're probably a busy guy that gets lots of suggestions, but I thought I'd throw out another, doesn't hurt.. Maybe some kind of nitrile glove test, different brands.. A popular nitrile vs latex brand maybe to make things more interesting, maybe even throw in a vinyl glove just for comparison.
Definitely... with Harbor Freight gloves included. They seem like a real value in any given thickness. I'd like to see a fair comparison.
This would be good, it would have implications outside of handiwork. Since people use these in crafts, cooking, and medical work, you might draw eyes to this channel that you otherwise wouldn't.
I might be wrong, but I would guess batch to batch consistency in the product would vary greatly unless you are buying high end quality. Walmart/Harbor Freight are probably made from factories with wide tolerance on raw materials from batch to batch
@@jayc4283 could buy 3-5 brands, one pack each from 3 or different stores, to make sure you're getting varied lot numbers
It would be nice to cee things like grip durability how easily they rip when pulling and whats the grip when wet
Once again your exhaustive testing produces honest results and your opinions at the end are well worth consideration. Thanks for your hard work.
You are welcome!
This was probably the most thorough review I have ever seen... you covered stuff that I don't even totally understand but even still it all make sense. Lol awesome video thanks for sharing
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i once dropped my dewalt impact gun with a 5ah 20v dewalt battery off of a scissor lift about 25 feet up and shit bounced around on the ground for a couple seconds, that was 5 years ago, and its still kickin ass today
I was 57 feet up working on a parking lot light about 2.5 years ago and dropped my impact with a 5ah on it and it still out powers my buddy's brand new Milwaukee impact🤣
@@levireffitt9480 hell yeah bro, everyone I work with swears by Milwaukee until their drillls take a shit then everyone asks for the dewalt
@@xwarlockxbakerx exactly! I've had the same "full" dewalt set for over 4 years and everyone uses my big hammer/drill to drill through anything thicker than half inch because there Milwaukee's burn up lol
I was installing a grinder pump in a septic tank and couldn't find my 18v hammer drill while cleaning up for the day. We found it the next day in the bottom of the septic tank. It was submerged for about 16 hours. I sprayed it off with a water hose and let it dry for a few hours. That was about 2 years ago. It's still kicking to this day.
I've drop by Porter Cable impact from my ladders several times on concrete and all other type of floors since 2012 and I'm still using them and same batteries as well... :)
I always enjoy your videos and appreciate all the work and attention to detail that you put into them. I’ve got an idea for a round of testing. We both have a lot of respect for JB Weld but I often wonder how critical the mixing proportions are. It’s especially difficult to determine considering the viscosity difference between the components. It would be very interesting to see a gamut of mixing proportions and relative test results between them. It would seem like a very useful and entertaining investigation.
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Subscribed. You got that for effort alone. I can’t image how much thought and preparation goes into these tests, not to mention out of pocket costs.
But the tests are very informative anyway.
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I really wish somebody would do a assessment of the knockoff and name brand batteries after 100+ charge cycles.
I also have seen that larger batteries outperform smaller batteries in power. I think you could do a video on that.
Both are A++ video ideas! Thank you!
You could. Just a thought
Ohms law my man. By nature a larger mAh capacity battery of the same voltage will have the potential to deliver more current - what you describe as outperform.
you'll have to sort of understand lithium batteries....some are recycled and just
re wraped...since you cant tell (either way ) what the DISCHARGE rate or C ratings and mah are on lion...it's a shot in the dark...unless you have some sort
of testing Eq. it's hit and miss no matter the markings.
Lower C rating will over heat and crap out...sooner.
If one cell REVERSE POLE or crapout...you'll have to some type of battery pack surgergy...if you know what you're doing..if NOT...you'll simply throw them out...
It's usually the cell....at the 18-20v of the Pack..getting most of extra heat.
It depends what you want to do and use it for...Large batteries are HEAVIER..
if you have to use the drill in weird position..I'd go lite. If you had to use it all day long...I definitely go LITE..CHuck the cordless and use a generator or impac.
I can make packs out of LI PO...ligther and more powerful than Lion.
I put 2s and 3s 50C 5000 mah..(5s 50C 5000mah ).I basically got 4-ea set for $100...i just use it on POWERWHEELS..it gets used daily twice p/day sometimes. PEDAL to the plastic ( full throttle) for kids...for 15 mins per pack(set).lmao
I know what off brand to get.
LIthium batteries had also made improvements over the years.
There's name brands that will charge 2-3x as much...as well.
Not sure why MGF havent use LI PO on cordless drills.
I've had 2 of the yellow knock off DeWalt batteries for a few years now with no issues.
You and Chris fix are the only two channels that I don’t get mad when I can’t skip an ad
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Don't forget the outdoor gear review!
Excellent work, with very good attention to detail. It must have taken you quite a long time to run all these tests. Thank you so much for presenting such a high quality review. As for criticism - i couldn't think of any areas of improvement.
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Thank you for this very in-depth analysis, while I bought two of the lower cost batteries that were in your test and it didn’t take me long to realize that outcome was exactly as you did at a much more scientific level. I only buy DeWalt batteries after trying the cheaper batteries just once. I have watched many of your various tests and appreciate your knowledge and level of details you provide. As I consider other ideas for you to try, I’ll be sure to reach out to you with my thoughts. Thank You
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There are some cheaper batteries that are (at least relatively)good, some "no-name" batteries(often seems to be when they're made for tools under the same brand) have samsung cells inside for example.
I would say it depends on how much you use the tool. for the weekend tinkerer the cheaper batteries would be fine but if your tools are your job then go for the dewalt ones.
Great point!
Or if your clumsy or forgetful get the other brands , it will be cheaper in the long run :-)
I'm in this exact situation. 3 Dewalt tools, 2 batteries, light usage. I'll be getting some Waitley batteries from Amazon!
I'm just a home use guy and would get the waitleys for sure. If I were doing construction every day I think I'd probably go name brand as the possibility of downtime dealing with a battery issue could easily offset any savings youd get. Then again with as many more waitleys as you can buy even if one does crap out on you as long as you have a few more laying around probably no big deal.
Brand name is pricey but most reliable. I work construction on a commercial and residential scale, has not failed me yet after 5 years:
I would LOOOOOVE to see Milwaukee batteries in here with some adapters.
Great recommendation! Thank you
yes!!!!
Milwaukee uses the exact same cell as DeWalt. I have opened many of the Milwaukee cases.
@@kevinroberts781 still tool quality has a good play in these factors
I run the knock off m12 batteries daily, I can’t tell any difference.
I love this guy, he's all about fact finding, gets really into the nuts and bolts of everything, and presents in a quick informational way. ALSO HE LOOKS LIKE HE COULD BE MICHAEL SCOTT'S LESSER KNOWN BROTHER. Keep up the amazing videos man!
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This video has been the most practical one of yours I have watched to date. I have always wondered which battery is the "Best Buy" . I just bought a new DeWalt impact driver rather than replace the battery on my 12 volt Makita driver - almost the same cost, and I got the newer technology .
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First of your videos I watched. Bravo! Love the detail and the straightforward no gimmick narration. Just a normal guy doing his best to honestly review at his best ability. You're a true trade and showman, instant like a subscribe! I've had mixed results but now one won't charge making me instantly regret.
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*Video Testing Idea:* Amazon Basic's wrench vs Name Brand wrench 🤔
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ive been thinking about getting those too! It would be great to see a comparison!
Well that would be great Eric I think we all know the snap on our Mac are going to be stronger than the l basic one from Amazon How about we text the box and that people use 98% of the time I bet you those show up pretty much the same and I'm talking to my hand power Can anybody bend the ranch of it El cheapo Pittsburgh pro ranch I bet you you can't now you want to slap a pipe on there I guarantee the snap-on's going to be better
If you do that a point to note is that the harbor freight combo wrench, box end has a chamfered opening and in tight spots or limited area to grab bolt / nut it slips or strips hardware.
No contest there. Knipex flat jaw or kobra or code blue (irega) adjustables are the best you can get.
I haven't had much luck with aftermarket batteries. I have had some of these rebuilt with mixed results. You are right; I think you are better served to put the money towards new equipment. Great video!
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I bought my dewalt 20v batteries when they first came out. Still going strong some of them. Incredible longevity. I am a roofer and I beat these things. Cold weather, and sun heat killed the three I lost. Id say it was my fault. Don’t let them freeze.
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I stumbled upon your site by watching a chap called James, youtube channel "plumberparts" in the uk. I'm so glad i did! Your enthusiasm / energy / passion is beyond impressive. So interesting, imformative and in depth. Near one and a quarter million subs well deserved sir. Kind reguards, Marcus.
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Almost to 1 million I'm so happy for you 💯, I recently started watching and I'm learning about small engines in highschool right now, so your channel is very educational. Thank you.
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@Bill Williams yeah! I'm in woodshop, and in a college construction class as well the mechanics class.
Good info, appreciate your time and effort in providing this video. Just FYI- DeWalt makes an adapter for about $40 for running their 18V tools off the newer 20V batteries. I've been using it for my grinder and hammer drill for a couple years Constantly and both still work great. Well worth it considering the cost of 18v batteries. I've never had any of the 18v batteries last over 3yrs. As a carpenter by trade they get a lot of use. The 20v batteries are much better run time and number of recharges so far
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"18v" & "20v" are nominal voltages, you see li-ion battery packs that all use 5 cells in series alternately marketed as 18v,19v,20v,21v - all are honest(about 18V discharged to 21V charged), though it artificially makes some look better.
They could theoretically also be different chemistries(with different voltages), but I expect the vast majority(if not all) use li-ion.
A fully charged nimh battery will be over 19V, sites say about 19.3V but I think it could be quite a bit higher depending on the charger or when you consider it to be "charged".
From looking at charts, it looks like both types will have a very similar voltage for most of their discharge.
@@DoubleMonoLRThe 20v dewalts are still sold as 18v in the EU because they're still 18v.
Great review. Very informative and useful. I am using both the DeWalt battery and alternative one. I do noted the weight, drain, temperature and Watt x Time performance differences between them which inline with your results. The last factor for choosing a batter is lifetime. Such a test could be time consuming, but would add a great value to the review.
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I've been watching you since you had 20,000 subscribers. You have helped me immensely in my "most bang for the buck" pilgrimage in life. Congrats on your new subscribers count!
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In europe Dewalt 5ah are labeld 90wh, for that it seems to be on the spot.
This is great information! 90wh seems right.
Jóhann Kristjánsson probably because in Europe regulationsay prevent false claims or marketing gimmicks mfg seek to get away with in the states, just a guess??
@@Giggidygiggidy12 Yep. In some countries regulations forbid exaggerated performance claims in certain ways. A tool marketed as 20V which is only 18V nominally would be illegal. We have a lot of this in the US. We have things like a vacuum cleaner labeled as 8 peak horsepower. Well, 8 horsepower is 6000 Watts. The most we can get from our common wall socket is 1800. That term peak can mean most anything. At the moment you turn it on, with the hose completely blocked, there's an instantaneous pulse if it happens right at the voltage peak in the A/C cycle where it draws 6000 Watts. I'm most always against more government regulation but that sort of nonsense is way out of hand
I was just thinking about the shop vac thing the other day... with a twist. Most 120v motors draw about 10 to 15 amps per horsepower. It has to do with power factor and inefficiencies. And yet, of all the appliances I've seen trip a 15A breaker, i've never seen it happen with these vacuums.
It would seem that these other batteries cannot be sold in Europe legally. Very interesting. US laws are worded in a way to allow business to fool US consumers, while European laws are worded to protest EU consumers. Says a lot about US laws and lawmakers.
I like the way you get straight to business.
Great job
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The single best review channel for hardware store items. Phenomenal, thank you!
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AvE is up there, though.
You’re great man! - Love that you get right to it. You’re so organized with displaying specs, heat, time in the overall evaluation. Great job; super love your content!
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Great! Thank you for taking the time to do this…a real service for we as consumers….
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This video test 'opened my eyes' on the perceived value in buying aftermarket batteries.
Thanks very much for these 'truth in products' testing videos!
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Your vids are just plain awesome...well planned, edited beautifully. I can't imagine the number of hours a vid like this takes from set up through the final edit. My hat is off to you.
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