Will China's 18650 Battery Beat LG, Samsung, Sony & Panasonic? Let's find out!
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2020
- Samsung, Sony Murata, LG, Panasonic compared against three high mAh capacity 18650s made in China. Tests include ambient mAh capacity, internal resistance, cold temperature mAh capacity, and a contest using 18650 powered fans. Brands tested: LG HE4, Samsung 35E, Samsung 25R, Samsung 30Q, Sony VTC6, LG MJ1, Sony VTC5A, Panasonic, Ultrafire, ETSAIR, CASTNOO, and BXE. The Samsung, LG, and Panasonic batteries were purchased from liionwholesale.com/
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better test how long they last before taking a leak?
There are variety of choices in 18650 battery made in china. The 18650 is not a consumer standard, the channel that reaches consumer is chaos and mostly illegal (some are disqualified waste from factory, some are disassembly from electric waste). The reliable way to get those is to place order in batches to qualified factory or get them from disassembling qulaity yet cheap power bank like XiaoMi.
I think you may need to turn comments Off, the conspiracy theorists are going off on it 😂🤣
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@@suttikhoeisanit4632 I can't read Sanscrit 😂
This dude provides more of a service than all of congress put together.
I mean.....that's kind of a low bar...
😂😂😂 true.
That's awfully faint praise...
Holy shit
I totally agree. We all need to remember how much they are doing for us in future elections
If Ultrafire was selling a car:
- it flies, no fuel required, V12 engine, all wheels have electric motor, it can dive into the sea, can reach supersonic speeds, no spare parts necessary...
Daum people, please be careful about these little things, they hold great amount of energy and Chinese makers are really dishonest.
with high *sheef* life
John Doe If the sheef life is only 10 years the shelf life must be 1000.
Thanks for the feedback.
made in USA! no, not the U.S.A., USA, China
Make great virus' though. And import is free.
Two years after this video is made and its still providing a benefit to humanity. Words cannot describe how grateful I am of your work! Shopping for nebulous items like these have been made so much easier because of you.
Thanks so much!
YES
@@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat THREE years and counting. Not sure if these models (I can't think of a better word) are still available, but even so...
I recently was inspired to do my own tests. I found the same results. The Japanese batteries were 10 years old, salvaged from old laptops. After two weeks of testing, they all tested the same and within 80%+ of their stated capacity. The newer Chinese batteries gave me as little as 10% of the rated capacity.
Thanks for sharing.
True
I'm using an EFest 18650 battery in my vape mod which works fine, lasts me about a day of normal vaping using a 0.6 Ohm load. Tried several different Samsung blue and green batteries and they weren't any better. It depends on the application, including load and amperage draw.
When lying has no consequences.
So at three times the capacity and about one third the endurance we can conclude that one chinese hour is just 7 minutes long.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thats hilarious!
hahaha.
They do have a weird calendar I hear...lol
that's what she said
dog hours
The no memory effect means you cant remember why the hell you bought them 😂
lol
👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
@Terry Melvin paid 1/2 price, got 1/10 the battery...
@urbansnipe
_"The no memory effect means you cant remember why the hell you bought them"_
That is hilarious, excellent twist.
I'm trying to forget why I bought mine. Cus I'm an idiot
Years ago I tested an Ultrafire 9800 that came with a cheap flashlight.
It turned out to have about 240mAh, and you could almost let it hover in the air, it was so light😁
Beware of ultrafire..🤣
The name is a clue...your money goes up in smoke.
@@exgenica There a ton of fakes, the originals don't have a great reputation either, but the fakes with transparently obviously overstated capacities are all but certain to be worse.
Love a battery with a good SHEEF life that’s also ENCIRONMENTAL friendly.
And if you checked, ALL the Chinese ones had basically the same spelling mistakes (exept one, which had it as SHELL life)
I bet they come from the same factory@@riaanlouw1874
I watch a LOT of RUclips stuff and your testing regimen(s) are, far and away, the absolute best. Consumer Reports could learn from you.
Thanks so much!
I agree!
you should publish your PROJECT FARM REPORTS. love from india.
@@ProjectFarm I say the same...I see other videos and they only test bad battery and if they test others r good battery they don"t have idea how to do it.
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
let's take a minute of silence for the quality of the work performed and the quality of the tests.
A simple "thank you" is not enough 👏
Thanks!
@@ProjectFarm Silence!
Deserved but I hold "silent" moments or prayer do little as God spoke all things into existence....out loud and that's how we should pray, even in private... IMO.
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Kudos 👏
I would like a hammer test on these. I work in electronics recycling and these 18650 batteries starts like 99% of fires at our factory. I would like to know if some are more prone to bursting in to flames when mangled than others or if it is just dependent on their charge state.
If you do test it, do it outside on a windy day, the smoke is definitely not good for you. Also, don't use water to put it out or have a source of it nearby, it not only worsens the fire but it also creates more of the very poisonous hydrogen fluoride gas that is generated by the burning of lithium hexafluorophosphate.
@@Ormagoden94 What? The batteries in vape pens are usually lithium polymer, they aren't nearly as bad as 18650. Also, did they get killed by poisoning? There's no way the explosion from a small lithium polymer battery could kill someone unless they held it pressed right next to an artery or something.
Or was there a time and place that 18650 was common in vape pens? Those would be a serious hazard and I could see that being able to kill someone.
@@skitidet4302 There are a lot of bigger vape machines that use 2x 18650 batteries. You need those if you want to do up to 200 W sub-ohm vaping (meaning the coil has as little as 0.1 ohm resistance). They are more fun than the pens because they can produce a huge amount of vapor, but they fell a little out of favor because only massive douchebags used them in public spaces. They can basically be turned into fog generators with the right liquid.
On the other hand, these are not a danger at all if you buy good 18650 cells like the Murata (former Sony) VTC5 or VTC6 and if you are a little careful with the cells. Put some additional shrink-wrap over them to prevent exposed metal, only transport them in silicon "socks" or battery boxes, and only use good, reliable charging devices.
I've been using them at home for many years and never had a problem nor have I ever been worried. I mean, I used to do some rc model drone flying. Those high-amp drone LiPos can give you the creeps. But brand-name high-quality 18650s? No, they're fine. (I never crush them or hit them with hammers)
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Thanks for the info. I don't think I've seen one of those, or if I have, I didn't recognize it as vaping equipment.
@@skitidet4302 A loud 'k-pow' from daughter's workbench.
Me: "Arrrrrghh!!!" (now face down in plate of spaghetti)
Medic: "Set biphasic defib to 200 joules. CLEAR!"
Anonymous: Playing taps with bugle.
(...an _"or something"_)
@@exgenica cool story bro..
You are the fastest I've ever seen. you present the facts, and don't fiddle around with un-needed details. You present your research findings and nothing more, with a dash of humor between the lines. Your channel is my absolute favorite. Before I purchase anything I'm unfamiliar with, I always consult with you. Thank you PF, keep up the absolutely awesome work. I would love to be able to do what you do. If you ever need a sidekick or assistant, for testings, I'm volunteering. Please continue. We need you. P.S. I appreciate your honesty most of all.
Thanks so much!
Maybe the chinese brands forgot to add a dot. It should not mean 9800mAh, but 980.0mAh ;)
I've seen so many from efest and other Chinese brand, claiming monstrous capacity and skyrocketing amperage.
The only things those battery are good for it's blow your hand off when you use them.
When they advertise a capacity 3 times the best cells on the market, I guess that's their way of telling you it's BS right from the start. But impressive sheef-life, eh?
@@BixbyConsequence yeah, and also you can feel the difference in weight right away, i've seen cells weight as much as 20 grams.
@Lics Norgi yeah i mean, it was kinda obvious
@Lics Norgi you are right but at the same time the only buying this type of cells are really the ones who don't know what they are doing.
Sad fact is that there will always be a load of those kind of ppl.
I love that you don’t take 5 minutes of content and turn it into a 15 minute video. You keep it moving, and get to the point. Great job!! And I don’t even use these batteries.
He takes like 4+ hours of content and condenses it down to 15 minutes filtering out all the crap. No bull crap here, just pure project farm science. I truly look forward to the day when he gets an approval license to put on products. Project farm approved is the future.
yes you do :)
@@DiavolO18 he could walk into home depot or Walmart with a roll of project farm approved stickers and start sticking them on products he approves of and I bet sales would go up a bit. If I walked in to home depot to get another cordless drill and saw his sticker on one, I wouldn't look at the price or the competition. I would simply grab it and go knowing it's good enough to pass his tests. That would also save a lot of time shopping too. That would easily shave off 20 minutes of my normal home depot or lowes trips.
@@TheSlimCognito Just grab MAKITA! THE BEST FOR RANGE. I'VE STILL GOT MAKITA TOOLS 38 YEARS OLD. THEY WORK LIKE NEW. ALL THEIR NEWER STUFF IS STILL TOPS TOO
Thank you very much!!
Lol, the last rechargeable battery I'd want is one with "fire" in the name.
Thank you for doing this in depth comparison and explaining what the different ratings are & how they affect performance. You analysis matches my experience buying 18650's off of Wish. Their weight was the first thing I realized "you get what you pay for"
Thank you!
Less than a minute in and already really impressed, How on earth did you manage to say 9800mAh for the UltraFire without laughing your ass off
Well, his voice did changed.
Hahhahahaaa
10 Ah in a battery that small?
What witchcraft is this?
Only a solid state lithium ion battery can ever dream of getting close to that.
@tl6gc tl6gc
not accidently...
deliberately
@@unf3z4nt you could also use a plasma cell or argent energy storage or any other science fiction power source that doesn't exist
AA sized 9.8Ah batteries? Damn, Chinese can do all sort of high tech magic, just with lies in their dreams. Reality is more like 1-1.6 Ah.
I think the Chinese batteries have typos, they added an extra "0"
Thanks for the feedback.
haha typical chinese products, all bluff and no substance
@@TheGregstorm The real red flag is when you cannot find the production country, because they know people will not buy when they see "Made in China"
No they just lie.we found that out in the last few weeks
They also misspelled shelf... "sheef" and "shell"
Excellent and very helpful thank you. The differences between the name brands vs off-brands were much greater than expected.
Thanks and you are welcome!
This was a stellar analysis, and such a huge boon for any builder. Thanks a ton! Definitely prevented me from making a very expensive mistake for my project!!
You are welcome!
The fact that PF replies to nearly everyone on his channel just shows how nice and humble this guy is 😀😀
At this point he must spend so much time replying, I'm worried about him
Jinx your it!
Thanks for watching!
I think he realizes most of us a regular guys like him and we appreciate what he is doing is awesome!
@@trjb1767 absolutely. He puts so much effort and thought on every single video. It's just worth every second of the viewing time.
Can you test the 2 stroke oil from Amsoil. They claim that you can use their product with ratios up to 100 to 1 which is a bit hard to believe.
Great test idea! I'll check back later to see how many thumbs up this one gets for a future video. I'll definitely do it if there's enough interest.
@@ProjectFarm do it lol
It's kinda test especially for @Project Farm :) would love to see that in the future.
I’d like to see this as well, I work for a small business that sells Amsoil products and it would be cool to see.
@Eat Jat You're full of crap.
Great comparison! I use Samsung 35E cells in my performance rechargeable flashlights, the runtime is pretty impressive! It would be cool to see you test some proprietary flashlight batteries from large names like Olight, Sofirn, Astrolux, etc. and see if they actually stand up to their claims! I test flashlights and would love to include this information in my reviews!
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
I watch your channel frequently. I had to smile when I saw your baby food jars on the shelf (and a few other types). When I was going through that part of my marriage my work bench was in the basement and the studs were within easy reach. I used to nail the covers to the bottom and then screw the jars into the covers. Very handy. Thanks for your interesting topics
Thanks for watching!
With the current chemistry available for making 18650 batteries, and its volume, none will have more then 3500mAh. Anything claiming more then that is false, until a better chemistry comes around.
Yes, you are right! Great point! I hope this video helps many viewers avoid the 18650 battery scam.
Ahhh, ancient Chinese secret
Just like the 1/10 amp LED flashlights that have "15,000 lumens" 😆
@@r.h.5052 Apparently the "Ancient Chinese Secret" has been exposed after all these eons: Lie about everything, all the time.
@@dasworkshop4967 yeah bcs they know only 10 in 1000 ppl will complain and they refund a few $ but make a ton of profit. their business model is all about acceptable liability
As a Chinese person, I have to say this is so true. In China, a moderately priced product is usually good value for money, but never buy the cheapest.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm try liitokala , they make good batteries
Thank you, we have a major hardware store chain called "Harbor Freight" that specializes in extremely cheap Chinese tools, perfect for getting a job or two done. Well, over the last few years, they now sell a high-end Chinese tool selection as well. Their top-tier items are equal to or better than the most trusted brand names (which are often made in China) but at a really attractive price-point.
how r u using youtube
@@samnass Very affordable, very reliable. I'm using them for 2-3 years now. Able to operate a vape, but it's a friend of mine using it, so have no control over them. He is satisfied with them. I'm powering my projects with them and even have a motion sensored night light which is running for 5 months now, expecting to drain in a month or two.
Excellent! I have several Ultrafires, and they definitely do not perform as expected/labelled, thanks for your efforts!
Thanks!
Your videos are very through and informative. Every time I see your name pop up for a review on something I know that I will learn a lot. Thank you for making these videos!
Thanks and you are welcome!
"with a name like UltraFire I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the battery" lol...
Guaranteed FIRE
I find watching fires relaxing, too. Wait!! Not in my workshop!! Ahh!!
You mean the name is suggestive of it's qualities and behaviors, right? Lol
Perfect for when you are in antártica and you need to make a campfire
Fake china. Fack china!
4:07 Sheef life of 10 years. Encironmentally friendly. Seems legit.
Thanks for the feedback.
No, it says "Encironmental Friendly." lol.
@Lics Norgi Okay, lets see how well you do using a foreign language that you have no or limited knowledge of; and on top of that, lets make that foreign language use an entirely different written system, as using a common alphabet isn't comparable from going from Chinese to English. You can't really complain about someone else's use of a language when you clearly don't fully understand the language itself, try teaching yourself some grammar, so you can actually look literate. Things such as capitalizing 'Chinese,' putting an apostrophe in 'can't,' maybe try adding a comma after 'dumb' as well, you might also want to add 'people' after 'Chinese.' Also, when using, "... craps," do you mean to use 'pieces of crap'? Not to mention the, "... fake...,' part of that statement is outright false, what makes them fake? They're an _alternative_ product; if they were fake they just wouldn't work, at all, like a dummy place holder. If you don't understand what an alternative product is, look at name brands and generic brands that offer the same product. Typical hypocritical, uneducated, racist scum, it seems, as you clearly don't know what grammar is, can't form a proper statement, use proper logic, have any kind of informed opinion, and you single out a specific people when the situation could happen to any foreign people.
Please, keep your toxicity to yourself. Nobody wants to see your racist, hypocritical, uneducated, and uniformed opinions. If you feel the need to be racist, go seek help.
One of them said Shell Life. Shell game.
@@billkaroly Well it's right, life is just as rigged as a conman on the side of the streets shell game.
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Dear PF. We watched this video years ago. Thanks for all the work you done! One of the most useful videos on TouTube! We are using LG MJ1 and Samsung 35E for our electric bikes. Recently years, we heard some Chinese made brands seems to be better. Brands like '比克BAK', '亿纬EVE', '力神LISHEN', '中航锂电CALB', '比亚迪BYD', '新能源ATL'...If it is convenient, Could you do some test? Also, the 21700 battery seems to be more famous than the 18650 one, may be you could do the test of 21700 batteries...Thank you all the way!
For real though. The exact information I was needing. This channel is about the most informative on RUclips.
Thanks so much!
The best channel for getting real world product testing and reviews!
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
IKR! The first time I got in this channel, I feel iI have been blessed by this beautiful man. Saves me a lot of trouble form these scammer companies!
@@celhpwns That is because you already had a prepossessed
opinion on Chinese products and having someone confirm that feels good.
Everyone knows that the biggest capacity in an 18650 battery is around 3600mAh, so he knew he was testing a fake (counterfeit) UltraFire battery, even a quick look at the UlraFire web-sire revealed that the biggest 18650 they make is 3600mAh.
This whole test is just a scam
@@ZZtop-gg3lu cool story bro.
This really is a prime example of "too good to be true".
Like, if enormous conglomerates such as Samsung, LG or Panasonic can't go much beyond 3Ah...
...there is a conspiracy to stop them, and only the courageous Chinese manufacturers will stand up for us?
@@SuperPhunThyme9 LOL putting a 9,999mAh battery with actual of 1200+ mAh? more of deception rather than courageous.
@@animeQs. aw, now they wouldnt do that. That would be lying.....I suppose next you'll tell me they skim cooking oil from the sewage gutter, filter it at small scale factories, and sell it to street food stalls....or even...gasp...pirate dvds without paying royalties to MGM!
@@SuperPhunThyme9 oh you don't know? they really are selling pirated dvds you're really ignorant after all.LMAO
It's a double edge, I picked up network splitters, USB splitters and such from those typical no names, when you pop them open and look how simple the PCB is set up, you need to question the larger companies and the backroom deals to keep something high for consumers. Stuff like this, never trust your livelihood with, definitely.
Hey man. I know this is an old video, but I appreciate what you do. Thanks.
Thanks!
this is one of my favorite youtube channels. no minute wasted. very detailed. my questions are answered even before I think about it.
Thanks!
The amount of thought, care, and passion that goes into these videos is astonishing. Thank you, for all you do.
Glad you enjoy it!
Totally agreed with WilliamA93's comments :)
I'll agree also and give my 👍 👍 👍
I agree with Williams
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
My: I want some Li-Ion batteries.
China: Tell me what to print on them.
@@samueladitya303 Does not mater, same result, same source.
you can tell them what to print and you tell them what quality you want to sell , dewalts, craftsman, ryiobi ,etc... they all come from china branded by a company prestige or not ... you get what you pay for is the name of the game , so you cheat yourself by going cheap !
@@rondoanderson it just tell its color. this statement is 100% truth.
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lol
I subscribed. I’ve been watching you for a while and I was kind of pissed off at myself when I saw that I was not subscribed. 😂 great reporting and I look forward to the next video.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
The weights alone on the Chinese cells i think speaks volumes to their quality not only where they super light compared to the others but there was also a pretty significant weight difference between 2 of the supposed same cells. From your tests seems like the LG cells are really good quality and offer the most bang for the buck.
Thanks for the feedback.
Don't give Chinese a hint; they will fill the batteries with lead then. They actually stuffed the seafood that was exported to Korea with lead already.
"Sheef life" "Encironmentally freindly" "Shell life" lol
It's like they don't even try.
@@FakeJeep they don't
@@stevenkendzierski9333 300 Chinamen died in hilariously negligent accidents to bring you those batteries.
Google translate
Chinglish.
is it just me or I don't particularly want to see "fire" on a battery
"These new batteries are FIRE!"
Sook! Carrying your racist hatred of the Chinese a bit far..... yes?
Not surprised in the slightest by these results, but grateful and impressed you did the work!
Thank you!
I can't believe I missed this video 4 years ago. Thanks to RUclips, it is coming at the right time. Another masterpiece, thank you! :)
You are welcome!
Anybody want some dead batteries?
I mean they are free of charge!
lol. Nice!
I’m going to steal this line :)
Ha! You win the internet for the day sir
@@nestormoctezuma4695 Then you're going to be charged with assault and battery!
I see what you did there. lol
funny to see how the cheaper brands misspelled "shelf life"
0:58 - ultrafire "sheef-life"
4:05 - castnoo "sheef-life"
4:55 - bxe "shell life"
unsurprisingly, these brands also added an extra digit to their mAh ratings from around 900 to 9000.
Thanks for watching.
How about the "Encironmental Friendly" at 4:08? LOL
Check out the site 'Engrish -dot - com'
@Nothing Noone True, the same Chinese factory.
@Nothing Noone If it's made in China it's not likely to be what the label states.
I am speechless at the time and dedication put into these battery 🔋 review, this is probably the best review on anything I've watched on RUclips and any other platform, a million thanks brother. Please which website or websites can I find these batteries?
That's an impressive set of tests there! I would be interested in learning more about the device that you used to mesure internal resistance. Is there a summary of the results available for download? If not, there should be. I can't take notes that fast.
Any multimeter can do that
I think that with current Li chemistry, it’s not even possible to get anywhere near 9000mAH in an 18650 cell.
I think 3500 to 3600 is max for 18650 .
The 21700 are 5100 mah is what im impressed with acebeam makes those
Of course it isn't. The printed specs are straight up lies.
@@Slicerwizard no no no......china just has its own measurement system, the confusing part is they use the same unit names but not standards. yeeeaaaahhhh. thats it. its not a lie, you just forgot to do the unit conversion.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@chip_stack are those around the same size as the 18650? I am looking to replace some in a few power tools etc. also what's their am draw rated for?
"Do your research" -- this channel *is* my research. :-)
Every time!
Chip Atkinson exactly right bro I’d believe him over these others
usually these kinds of comments are worrying... but after watching the whole video, i totally agree
you don't take a random garbage brand batter in China and compare it with LG or Samsung... this is so biased. There are hundreds of decent brand batteries in China yet you choose one of the most low-quality ones...
This channel clearly does no research at all. A quick search on the website of UltraFire revealed thet the biggest 18650 battery they make is 3600mAh and weighs 93 grams.
If he did any research he would know that, don't trust some random guy on RUclips
man, thank you so much, not only that i know how to rate them using my 18650 tester, i also know now because of you that weighing them will help me classify the better batteries.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Excellent VDO - Again Really appreciated this one.
Thanks!
Wrong spelling is a good indicator to stay away from a product.
One thing I noticed, the error seems to have a pattern. Those different brands could be manufactured by just one company. It was just re-branded.
Great vid keeping us entertained while we are going thru a lockdown.
Keep safe guys.
Great point. Thank you
You would think it would be worth their time to pay someone that speaks English to proofread their stuff before making a fool out of themselves with printing. Nothing says unprofessional like 3rd-grade spelling.
Take the battery wraps off and see what they really are.
@@Juantontiki maybe compare it with the good ones also. It would be a waste but educational to all of us.
Sheef life 10 years.
Shell life 10 years.
At least get the spelling correct on the battery....
lol. Great point!
@@ProjectFarm Close enough. like Taryl says, 'It ain't the space shuttle'!
Like the CASTNOO said "encironmental friendly". No Y & oops on the v
Misspelling probably helps protect them from legal obligations.
Glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that
I didn't realize you had a video of "18650" already! Thanks for the education video!
Our pleasure!
This is good to know especially when it comes to vape devices. Ohms law vs. amps vs. longevity means a whole lot especially for quality when it comes to RDA'S and building your set up. Thanks for the video.💯
You are welcome!
So you’re kinda saying that Chinese battery companies overrate their battery life by as much as 8 times? You could have knocked me over with a feather.
Its a wonder noone sued them yet.
@@crimsonsnow5888 nothing would happen they are protected by the CCP
@@Alexander_l322 ahh right. But we live to do buisiness with them.... thats so sad
@@Alexander_l322 Community College of Philadelphia? haha.
@@martindeloach9905 haha it’s the Chinese Communist Party
Thanks for this content. The fraudlent marketing of those high capacity China-batteries is shocking. Good to hear the standard reputable brands (Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung, LG, Sony) are still providing batteries that pretty much meet their specs.
You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
Not shocking at all to me. One friend of me told me main difference between Japan and China is in Japan 98% of businesses really want to make a fair deal not even thinking about any scam rest are either unintentional or intentional frauds. In China 99% of businesses are trying to exploit you or scam you (I'm not saying you cannot make a good deal but you'll have to have really thorough QC).
@@ProjectFarm You really should have included Molicel though (E-One Moli Energy Corp, Taiwan) with 0ver 40 years experience in battery technology - currently the best on the market, as tested by Battery Mooch, licenced electrical engineer and consultant on energy storage characterisation to power suppliers, broadcasters, and the US Army, among other clients.
I'm sure Molicel would be happy to supply a set of each of their high current and high capacity cells in each major format for testing.
The off brand batteries are generally batteries bought from major producers that couldn't make the cut so they will generally always never match their specs even if they seem reasonable
@Huo Yeh Damn, to think of the money I wasted on the 24 Molicel P28A batteries that I currently have in use, with their 2,800 mAh capacity and 25A continuous discharge rate, identical to the 8 lower capacity P26A 2,600mAh I still have, or the two Molicel M35As that I use in less power-hungry devices because they can only deliver 10A continuous, but have a 3,500mAh capacity- you know, the ones made in the country in which the temporarily exiled Republic of China government still holds power while the rest of their rightful territory on the mainland is occupied by the CCP genocidal terrorists.
Those made under the CCP are bound to have fraudulent markings because they can't help lying about anything. They even deny the genocides they commit in full view of even privately-owned satellites, so to ask if they also lie about battery capabilities is like asking if fleas bite - of course they do, it is in their nature.
Amazing video, you really put a lot of work in to this, very useful!
Thanks!
As always i am very appreciative of the time you take to test stuff. It also saves many from buying fakes , especially so in the lithium ion battery arena!
Thanks!
Its the same story with China made inverters. I recently bought what was advertised as a 2000w pure sine wave, but it was digitally induced sine and produced about 200w continuous and 300w peak. Whatever it states, divide by 10!
China makes crap and lies. What else is new??
Lmfao the divide by 10 part got me
Always a gamble, odds heavily against consumers
That may not be enough of a factor.
Or just don't buy the cheapest shit you can find and look for reviews....
0:57 UltraFire: "SHEEF-life around 10 years." 0:57
4:08 Castnoo "SHEEF life around 10 years, ENCIRONMENTAL friendly"
lol
I was about to post this exact thing! Crazy!
Also one has a shell life
* legally not binding
@@ThriftyToolShed Me too
Thanks for this video - I had my doubts about the high mAh being quoted and your tests confirmed my doubts!
You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
Love love this video. Could you do an updated version? I really want to see how molice (not sure how to spell it) stacks up
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
4:07 - It's written "Sheef life" and "Encironmental friendly" , That alone makes me doubt the capabilities of this battery. :D
Thanks for the feedback.
Insane that something like that can be sold.
Well, in order to make a battery with an impossible capacity at an incredible price, they had to shave a corner on spelling and grammar.
"Enciromental friendly" on a final product ?
Lol...China...
Hah, you noticed also 😎
Shell life. Or sheef life. 😂
@@JToona I didn't choose the Sheef Life, the Sheef life chose me.
Like to see you do better
All standard lithium ion cells are based on cobalt instead of cadmium, which is considered safe (you can incinerate it with few problems). Unfortunately it is mined by enslaved kids in the Congo. Enjoy your cheap Chinese phone!
I really appreciate your high-quality review. This is what I want to know... Two thumbs up!
Thanks and you are welcome!
It was so satisfying watching this video knowing that I had purchased Sony/Murata 18650's for my expensive "Toy" flashlight vs my utility/tool flashlights. I wanted some batteries that would last a long time even if it sat on the shelf as a novelty. I needed the high 35amp drain and true to claimed capacity. And I can say the Sony/Murata's have done exactly that.
Fantastic Video, thank you so much for doing all these tests for us, the consumers so we can make well-informed buying decisions.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Talk about a group of companies that need to be prosecuted....
Who's going to do it......
..nobody
Might be interesting to test them all for that overvoltage and other protections they supposedly have...... also fireworks!
Thanks for the feedback.
You would know if they were protected. Protected 18650 cells have a clearly visible PCB on the bottom side under the wrapper with a strip of metal connecting up to the top. The off-brand cells that claim to have protection are flat-out lying.
Well, before you test the chinese batteries for over-current protection ...
You might want to perform a "Chinese Fire Drill". 😆
Non of these cells have built in protection. That is normally built into the device. There are some batteries that have built in protection but they are also just a touch longer than these standard 18650 cells. Panasonic makes some nice cells with built in protection.
You don’t need to test this just check if a pcb is present. Then test if it works. Issue is even the ones that have pcb’s they are designed poorly and don’t cut off at the right points.
Best presentation. I like that you explained it on point. Thank you very much. Subbed.
Awesome, thank you! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Keep up the videos man, I love that you put everything to the test
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the video idea.
The only thing that kinda sucks is I can’t find any of the name brand batteries on Amazon.
I think this is the best channel on RUclips for reviews and testing: realistic use-case testing, no bullsh*t, staying objective at all times.
Your reviews are underrated.
Thank you very much!!
Hear, hear.
I concur.
"sheef" and "shell" life are certainly odd typos.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm and you missed environmentally friendly 😂
They're not typos. They're misspellings by people who (barely) speak English as a second language.
Lots of people who learn a second language don't learn to spell in that language. They likely genuinely think that's how the word is pronounced and spelled.
@@billybobjoe198 They're made by people who literally do not know the language. They're working off a translation to know what the foreign glyphs mean, but they don't know the difference between an l or an f. They're just copying images.
Western tattoo artists do the same thing when copying Chinese characters. They might have some random guide saying what the characters mean, but they don't know how to create them properly. (Or worst case they have some gibberish guide that doesn't even make proper characters at all)
"encironmental friendly" also 😂
Quite possibly the most helpful video I've ever seen on youtube. Although it's 2 years old I'm going to suppose it generally still holds true.
Thanks!
That's a lot of information and a lot of choices. Gonna have to watch this one a couple times to figure ut which brand performed best overall.
Thanks for watching!
It keeps baffling me with just how much "marketing" Chinese manufacturers get away with. Thanks for this video!
Not even marketing at this point, more like fraud.
It's not marketing it's just lying.
It's Chinese brand, it's in their blood. If they make a honest, normal marketing stuff, we probably even more suspicious.
@Yulei Huang we got marketing Chinese over here!
eBay and Amazon bypass any accountability. They sell direct from China.
Just like the flashlights. Chinese 2000 lumen = 250 lumen
all china products should be banned
Very nice, one of the best in depth research videos that I have seen, Thanks a lot.
Thanks and you are welcome!
i'm interested in an updated grinder video. the 60 volt dewalt grinder is insane imo and i'm curious how it stacks up to the other brands... also.. cell phones? computers? graphics cards? i know thats not the direction you have gone in the past (tools) but given that you seem more than capable of testing electronics i'd love to see perhaps nvidia vs. radeon or in cpu amd vs intel.. i'd love to see heat ratings, performance, stability.. i'm sure you could greatly expand your content as well if you went that direction. cheers. love your channel.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
i have never received so much info in 15 min. good work
Thank you very much!
I’ve watched this video before and I can’t believe how much effort you go into making your videos. Very impressive indeed. Always looking forward to what you get up to next. Please keep the videos coming. Kindest Regards from Perth W.A. 🦘🇦🇺
Thanks, will do!
Ikr ? This guy is dedicated to helping the "little guy"/consumer. Which, if you think about it, alot of companies don't even care about. They just want your $100-300 for a project and then you learn, if I had spent +$20-50 bucks on this other brand, it would last longer. Or if I had purchased this item, it would save your money. I'm surprised "consumer report" hasn't tried to buy his silence.
P-town represent
Packs in the relevant info, no wasted time. Perfect.
i want to get into electronics and battery pack hobby and with this video, i started my list of links where to look for info about what battery cells to choose. very good video. 👍
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
@@ProjectFarm could you maybe do same test for LiFePo4 18650 cells too? this would be helpfull as well. just a sugestion👌
As a DIY EV enthusiast, this video is absolutely a must-watch. Thank you!! VTC and Samsung 25R are probably the best performance for eletric motorcycles - The discharge amps are SO important. 35E seems to be the best dollar for w/h though.
You are welcome!
This guy is no farmer! He’s certainly a professional, and I think I have heard his voice somewhere else on television. He sure as hell puts out a good comparison no matter what he does. He gets my vote for an Emmy
Thank you!
@@ProjectFarm I love your testing content! It is super informing and entertaining. you should rebrand your channel to Testing farm and make your own projects on a second one. I would watch both. I would put an Abo on both to haha
@DELAWAREBOWHUNTER Why are putting down Farmers? Farmers need to deal a multitude of problems with equipment.
@@A-FrameWedge Shhhh... Dont tell them the secret ;)
Believe it or not, farmers can be quite good at this kinda stuff.
One thing about farmers is that often times they have to simply make things work, in non-optimal conditions. Some can get quite creative because of that.
I wonder how many of those actually have the short circuit and overcurrent protection. That may be a good test to try for these. I bet you will get a few explosions.
Great point! I should have tested them
@@ProjectFarm Testing chinese safety equipment would be a great video!!!
@B B I cannot tell if you are joking. Here is a video of an UltraFire battery which the short circuit board was empty and if short circuited it would explode. ruclips.net/video/PLBOqRg79bg/видео.html
Bubba Fudpucker And a dangerous one.
cool!
Extremely helpful ! Thank you . Will be replacing my ultrafire and no name battery asap
Glad it helped!
I was about to rebuild the Greenworks 80v battery pack. After watching this video, I don't want to waste my time with Chinese cells. I don't know how you can made a video with so much details information in just under 15min. without biting your tongue 😀 Thank you so much for making this video
A down loadable file with all of those graphs would be a great reference.
You could use your computers "snipping" tool and save the graph into your computer.
@@georgeleong1572 it would still be usefull to have the data in a spreadsheet. It could also be used to see if there is a connection between the weight and mA
Use your smartphone to take a screenshot and quit being whiny after this man went through all this effort to give you all the data you needed for free....
Stop being lazy. He gave you the data, spending his time and money on this video. The least you could do is say thanks and put it in your own spreadsheet.
No offense, I hate people like you. This guy spent a hell of a lot of time to get this data for you....FREE.... Then you have the nerve to complain you want more....
He gave u the data, so put it in excel bro
4:07 That "Sheef-life" of 10 years, and being "encironmental" friendly, did like no one check to see if it works?
Thanks for the feedback.
1- Chinese batteries die first, that what meant by "environmental friendly"
2- You will -very soon - toss them in a trash can & forget about them is what meant by
"No memory effect " .
Conclusion: All true no fraud.
Great review btw.
Haha one had a "Shell life" as well
Buy one and let me know in 2030 😁😁😁😁😁🌴🇺🇸🇵🇷
Please do this exact test for 21700 batteries. I love your work!
Thanks for the suggestion.
lol, when I read some new equipment or installation at work and see one of their claims, I always think of your catch phrase "we'll test that!"
Thanks!
You're funny. "Buyer beware do some research". You are my research. Great job. I use quite a bit of these batteries and your information is so valuable. Looking forward to your videos often.
Thank you!
The reason he says do research is because there are a bunch of clones out there. You would need the manufactures spec. Trust me too I have been burned esp on Amazon and Ebay.
@William Lloyd-Roberts LOL we sure do.
I used to think big brands charge us extra & cheap batteries are almost 80% as good.
I surely was never into those 9000mAh ratings. Now I know what to buy (not that I'd buy it definitely).
Thanks for the feedback.
But then camera batteries are SO much more expensive than the Chinese knockoffs. Even when some of my batteries die several months to a year later or just can't hold a charge, it's still worth the buy simply due to numbers unless you absolutely need reliability. I'm just a casual camera guy so in my last 13 years of shooting, buying the real deal battery at $60 versus $12 for a knockoff made a lot of sense from my experience.
@@williamlee7782 Yes it totally makes sense when we aren't a regular user. They are just fine for the price. Both have their advantages.
the most important thing for these are max A and continuous A rating. its a quick way to have your batteries explode reliably pulling 35+ peak amps or 20+ continuous on anything not rated for it.
if performance isn't a concern in the particular application sure mah/hr vs dollar comes into play but if performance DOES matter the 25+ amp batteries do matter.
this was a review of 18650 batteries not sealed battery packs.
I love your videos and appreciate everything you do for ppl if you ever get a chance you should test car battery's and see if some brands are better than others
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Hello, thank you so much for your videos, can you test the 26650 batteries please ?
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
"Buyer beware and do some research"
Luckily, I dont have to do any research because you did it for me. Thanks for the video!
Glad to help!
When cheap Americans buy cheap made in China stuff
Me: LOL they don't know China manufactures best batteries（Lithium iron phosphate） that they are the sole providers of BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo, Toyota are using Chinese batteries too but nobody complaints they are invented and made in China
@@zihaoliu605 "Um acktchyually China makes the best Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries"
Shut up, nerd. There are manufacturers all over the world that make LiFePO4 batteries. Yes, most are made in China but so is most everything else we use daily- because it's dirt cheap. And just because they make the batteries for car companies doesnt make them the best. They are in those cars because they were the cheapest that they could get away with while still being Lithium Iron Phosphate. Go eat some more bat soup and create another plague before your supreme leader outlaws your ability to use the internet. USA 4ever
@@UncleDon226 Yes, Chinese made batteries are cheaper, simply b/c it has the most advanced factories, buying dirt cheap products from anywhere on earth comes with consequences, and you should know only poor buy cheap products, and they are the majority of your society, maybe before blaming China, you should consider why U.S. is heading to a direction of a shit hole country. I don't know how many cars you have but I do have 5, 2 in NY and 3 in Qingdao, and they are all mercedes amg and bmw suvs, I never saw anything related to maintenance batteries, but often made in Germany parts are failing, not to mention made in USA for past 60 years is a joke. For COVID-19, as a M.D. I can tell you it's originated in Fort Detrick, VA, where the first to third mutated strands are found, e-cig pneumonia have the exact symptoms as COVID-19 and some of your soldiers brings them to Wuhan b/c world military olympics. Ford aircraft carrier and many other nuclear submarines left US coast since November and isolated deep down the sea, and US denies WHO to enter US b/c they are trying to unveil where the COVID-19 strand A originated in US. Politics and Media are hoax, only scholars speak the truth.
@@zihaoliu605 30 points have been deposited into your social credits account. Good job Liu! No really, don't trust China, China is ashoe, Taiwan is the real China.
They should change the name to "Caution, Ultrafire".
BS. This was obvious a counterfeit UltraFire battery but the author of the video did not care, it was all about bashing Chinese products. He knew or at least could know (14:07 "buyer be aware and do some research" witch he clearly didn't), on the web-page of UltraFire the biggest 18650 they sell is 3600mAh, simple research.
@@ZZtop-gg3lu Is that really true? There are 100s of sellers on Aliexpress selling high capacity UltraFire Li-Ion cells.
@@janami-dharmam Brand protection as little to no enforcement in China, the rules are in place but that's it.
Everyone that is selling an 18650 battery bigger than 3600mAh is a scammer, they don't exist at the moment, and the author of the video should have mentioned it.
Also, there is a correlation between capacity and weight, a 3000mAh battery can't be 30 grams it should be at least 40 grams. If a seller does not mention the weight, don't buy it.
ZZtop 1700 the end result is what matters. It's not consumer's fault for not knowing whether or not it's a counterfeit. Consumers are not witch. You can't expect consumer to always know the integrity or willing to look for the information or even have access to the information. Bashing on this product is totally understandable. If you feel that is unjustified, you should kindly tell the channel, not here.
@@cattocs If you are willing to buy a US$ 8 product for US$ 2 and than get duped, sorry that is totally justified and it was totally your own fault. For such a difference the product is either counterfeit or stolen, no further information needed just common sense.
You are from the US? Speaking about the non existing integrity over there? Look at the above video for proof.
This is the comment section of this channel, isn't it? So tell me, why not here.
Great video! I'm looking for a replacement cell for a Segway rebuild and this helps steer me away from lots of junk!!
Thanks for sharing!