Wanna make 18650 Battery Packs? WATCH THIS FIRST!

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  • Опубликовано: 11 мар 2020
  • All these years Ive been learning how to make battery packs and with every iteration I build a better 18650 Lithium ion battery pack every time.
    This, is my safest battery pack to date. I have shared with you my experience and knowledge of building 18650 battery packs from over the years.
    Hope you enjoy it.
    Nickel Strips:
    usa.banggood.com/custlink/GmD...
    Fishpaper Orings
    usa.banggood.com/custlink/mDm...
    Build your Spotwelder here:
    • DIY Spot Welder Build ...
    Here's Lee's channel:
    / @leewright
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  • @LeeWright
    @LeeWright 4 года назад +438

    Wow! What an improvement! It's been an absolute pleasure talking to you and helping you to become a safe and competent battery maker and I love this platform that enables not only for us to learn off of each other, but to make friends all over the world. Your packs are now 100% safe and you should be really proud that you have become a better battery maker, I'm really happy I could help you! 🤘

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад +15

      Thanks Lee. Keep doing the amazing work you do. Love your video style and content. Heres to a lot more battery packs :D

    • @samsgotplans
      @samsgotplans 4 года назад +13

      Well done to both of you. These kinds of projects are brilliant and the content that you provide is an invaluable resource for novices like myself to learn and take inspiration from. Thanks fellas!

    • @eskateforlife86
      @eskateforlife86 3 года назад +5

      I love that our community helps other to build better safer pack ! Awesome Lee Wright btw you did a really nice pack for Thomas

    • @LeeWright
      @LeeWright 3 года назад +2

      Eskate For Life thanks brother!

    • @LeeWright
      @LeeWright 3 года назад +1

      @@SlightlyDazed. absolutely, I own a company that builds batteries in the UK. We have done a few ebike batteries. You can find us at www.electricskateboarding.co.uk

  • @TheNicky9905
    @TheNicky9905 3 года назад +58

    It's always good watching someone who actually admits their mistakes, learns from it then goes on to improve it, that's the way to perfection, well done Sir!

    • @jed2055
      @jed2055 3 года назад

      Yep Nick, I get the same vibes. I have taken these safety tips to heart and have eBay open on another tab and buying the "safety stuff" as I learn what's needed. I have learnt a lot from fungi and others (not the cowboys tho ;-)

    • @calamariaxo
      @calamariaxo 3 года назад

      While making a spot welder from a microwave transformer 👌

  • @dingsens2810
    @dingsens2810 3 года назад +48

    0:05 nope, TNT has an energy density of 4.6MJ per Kg, while Lithium-Thionylchlorid is the most energy dense lithium battery and has a density of 2,34MJ/Kg and standard Lithium Ion batterys are at 0,65MJ/Kg. This is at least what Wikipedia is telling...

  • @thomasmorris1194
    @thomasmorris1194 3 года назад +26

    Looks great, although a couple extras to make it even safer:
    For high power draw applications( > 2c) be sure to space the battery cells by at least 1 mm and allow airflow. Improves both safety and cell lifetime. Consider not shrink-wrapping the entire thing, and making sure that air can get in and around the cells. Bonus points if you use a rigid case with a few mm all around the pack and vent holes.
    If you increase the gap to >4mm then one cell failing and catching fire _probably_ won't catch the surrounding cells. Not shrink-wrapping means all the heat and gas from the failed cell can escape.
    2) See if rather than using the same size nickel strips, use thicker strips from one parallel group to another, and much thinner from each cell in the parallel group to that strip. If you size the strips correctly then if a cell catastrophically fails the strip to that cell will heat and fail, disconnecting the bad cell from the pack. That helps prevent an internal short on one cell from taking out the rest.

  • @DontEverGrowUp
    @DontEverGrowUp 3 года назад +4

    I was preparing to build my first battery pack and I am so glad I came across this video. Thanks for this very useful information! And Lee, too!

    • @DontEverGrowUp
      @DontEverGrowUp 3 года назад

      I successfully built my first pack - it is a small 4S2P pack for a model airplane - but I am very confident that it is safe and reliable, thanks to the information I gleaned from this video. Thanks again!

  • @craiggutoskie
    @craiggutoskie 3 года назад

    Watched this cause I wanna make a pack for my onewheel. Then I saw you riding, awesome! They’re so much fun! Thanks for the video.

  • @sarahdaviscc
    @sarahdaviscc 4 года назад +10

    Your new battery is excellent.
    I love your commitment to safety and also your willingness to take advice from experts and improve. What an excellent attitude and excellent vid.

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад

      Thank you Sarah for appreciating my work. Hope you enjoy the content on this channel.

    • @andrew_koala2974
      @andrew_koala2974 3 года назад

      Safety is paramount Ms Davis.
      Speaking as an Electronics Engineer with decades of experience and knowledge,
      The average Man with limited knowledge is thinking only of low voltage and low current.
      LiOn, Lead_Acid and other types are capable of producing high current and present a
      danger often overlooked.
      Even with DC voltages, once one rises above 35 volts it starts to become dangerous, even
      more so at high current.
      I expect you will soon enough comment ask me; "what about woman?"
      I am waiting for that one, then you will learn something you never knew before, nor will you
      ever know unless I teach it to you.
      The reason you do not know yet is that you have been successfully manipulated and programmed
      to know something that is not correct.

  • @lachezarkrastev7123
    @lachezarkrastev7123 3 года назад +1

    I am building batteries for my rc planes from a lot of time and and I learned good things from this video - thanks!

  • @francescacosentino6975
    @francescacosentino6975 3 года назад +1

    Finally an attentive person who informs about all the risks of these batteries and suggests ways to avoid them
    Good boy!

  • @AlbertPhan
    @AlbertPhan 3 года назад +4

    Great improvement. You covered a lot of safety aspects. You don't need to have thick strips between the parallel cell and you only need 1 parallel connection for the whole group. There should barely be any parallel current in a group. That will reduce the amount of connections you have to make and less connections is less stress on the cell. I would also suggest fuse wire if you want to go the extra mile for more safety. With fuse wire, if one cell fails it wont bring the other cells down with it when it shorts the group.

  • @racerryn
    @racerryn 2 года назад +1

    I appreciate the sharing of knowledge especially being honest about your “errors” and even more impressive your willingness to share with us who’s videos you watch to learn from. Thank you! I I know first hand that often times the best way to learn something and retain it is by screwing it up. However, I think something this dangerous I’m going to watch lee’s videos and try to eliminate the errors.

  • @dukeshaver199
    @dukeshaver199 3 года назад +1

    Really great video! Very informative. I'm just getting into FPV and going to build my own packs and this info is invaluable and will keep my house in one piece lol

  • @innocentidiot9521
    @innocentidiot9521 4 года назад +24

    Just small tip: discharge cells before making or disassembling back. Trust me, it really helps with making progress safer. With brand new cells I would just go without touching them (nominal voltage).
    When I build my first bigger battery back, I almost burned house down. Biggest issue in that back was insulation between series connection because whole body of cell is negative and positive is only small circle on top. It didn't have any other insulation than cell warps that were damaged. And they were all fully charged cells.
    Now I do have a quite lot of experience in making batterybacks and also have been using insulation paper between series connections after that one particular pack.

    • @TheUniversalid
      @TheUniversalid 3 года назад

      Never discharge a lipo battery! They're not capacitors and will suffer if discharged.

    • @innocentidiot9521
      @innocentidiot9521 3 года назад +3

      @@TheUniversalid yeah lipo battery are more vulnerable to overdischarge than normal 18650 sized LiCoO2 cells. And yes, I didn't mean fully discharging them, only to their cut off voltage

    • @weeardguy
      @weeardguy Год назад +1

      I never discharged my cells. It's pointless as even a 'dead' cell I removed from a laptop-battery got up to some voltage after removing the real bad twin-cell. Even though it was only at 0,8 Volt or so, an accidental short made the remaining piece of strip start to glow ánd smoke.
      Besides pointless, it's also incredibly time-consuming. Even a 16 cell battery will take days to discharge all the cells (if you only have one Opus BT-C3100, like me). If you get your cells from a reputable store, they will all be charged at exactly the same level and you can start working right away.
      When I accidentally shorted my 4S4P cell with my scalpel as I tried to remove some excess heatshrink from one of the extending strips that had to be connected to the gas gauge PCB, the cells were at storage level (all at 3,65 Volt exactly). The cells itself, Panasonic NCR18650B's, aren't exactly very beefy ones when it comes to their maximum discharge current and even though the moment of contact was very brief, the short was such a scary, loud and smoking short that I immediately stopped working: I was too tired and just didn't see it coming. It vaporized the blade at the point of contact (and this is what most likely saved me).
      Just don't discharge them. Especially when you start pairing cells you quickly get to a point where it doesn't really matter anymore if they are fully charged or not. I shorted an INR 18650-15L from Samsung by accident: it was still a good cell, charged at 'just' 3,8 Volt but when the remaining strip (connected to the positive terminal) accidently pierced the insulation and made a short with the negative terminal, a small spark was seen and then the metal had already welded itself stuck.
      The cell started heating up quickly so I ran outside and placed it there waiting for the possible things to happen. Nothing did happen except for a cell that warmed up to 70 degrees Celsius and started leaking some electrolyte.
      But that was just 1 strong (very low internal resistance) cell. If you pair just 4 'less good' cells, you are basically at the same level. Really, discharging is completely pointless and won't make it any safer at all.

  • @Nettle314
    @Nettle314 3 года назад

    I like a man talking about safety! Thanks for sharing!

  • @SomeBorkedAccount
    @SomeBorkedAccount 3 года назад +1

    Great video, definitely rethinking some of the safety aspects of a few of my upcoming projects...

  • @norm1320
    @norm1320 3 года назад +34

    I would strongly recommend using a cheap ceramic knife instead of the steel one. Far less electrically conductive.

    • @bws833
      @bws833 3 года назад +4

      Not only less electrically conductive but also non conductive (insulator)

  • @kevinlin7908
    @kevinlin7908 4 года назад +11

    For safty, please install temperature sensitive FUSE(110~130 deg.C). At least every two or three segment(cell). I had seen some battery pack burned(flame and boom!)

    • @Boz1211111
      @Boz1211111 3 года назад +1

      extremly important for high discharge packs and (or) packs used in weather conditions (heat)

  • @ThePacratz
    @ThePacratz 3 года назад

    Thanks to you and Lee Wright for the info on making a better battery pack. Gained alot of insight on this.

  • @michaelsadach3571
    @michaelsadach3571 3 года назад

    Thank you, I have been thinking about building a battery pack. Very helpful

  • @boris5448
    @boris5448 4 года назад +1

    Really well explained!

  • @i80386sx
    @i80386sx 3 года назад

    Good points. I'm glad that I'm mastering the spot welding art on NiCd batteries first. Lithiums are no joke.

  • @anthonycampos7417
    @anthonycampos7417 4 года назад +2

    well this sure is helpful. i just made my 1st diy battery pack using 120 sony vt6 cells in a 10s12p configuration and it doesnt exactly work. idk if i did something wrong or dont have the smart BMS configured properly yet but i just Barely did a better job than you did on your 1st battery attempt. i left out fishpaper and isolator rings because i thought id have more room between the cells for air flow because i was planing on adding 2 mini blower style fans in the chassis and exhaust ports.
    this video kinda makes me wanna go over my prevous work and redo it all

  • @Purple431
    @Purple431 3 года назад +1

    Nice demonstration,
    Now in future, i can make these battery packs safer, thank you ❤️

  • @701theboop5
    @701theboop5 3 года назад

    Great video Fungineers, I am learing so much hanging out with you guys, now to go the the link and have a look at Lee's channel..

  • @MadDonJuan
    @MadDonJuan 3 года назад

    Nicely explained, and yes Lee Wright its one of the best DIY guys and an Amazing person. Thanks for sharing

  • @benjaminbadrakh1644
    @benjaminbadrakh1644 4 года назад +11

    The explosion at the start of the video was The Slow Mo Guys throwing a grenade into a structure filled with drums filled with gasoline.

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад +1

      Spot on lol

    • @Rotated
      @Rotated 3 года назад +2

      yeah that’s misleading

  • @willperkins3950
    @willperkins3950 3 года назад +12

    Big fan of Lee! He knows his stuff!

    • @democracyforall
      @democracyforall 3 года назад

      Now a days there are big batteries which tend to be safer when joining together so they say and here is the link.
      ruclips.net/video/kYx097cVR48/видео.html

  • @JohnSmith-oj7dj
    @JohnSmith-oj7dj 2 дня назад

    It's certainly a big improvement over the old battery. But it can be made even safer. I made a battery pack with a central bus and connected the cells with a fuse wire. Each cell that has its own fuse. If one cell short-circuits, the fuse wire is immediately blown and the faulty cell is disconnected.

  • @wearemilesfromnowhere4630
    @wearemilesfromnowhere4630 4 года назад

    Excellent points. Well done!

  • @theshazman
    @theshazman Месяц назад +1

    If you have a 3d printer. Just print a tray for your batteries to hold them and keep them separated. Then use nickel tabs away from the main joints for your balance wires.

  • @grumpystony
    @grumpystony 4 года назад +48

    Or use cell holders... instead of hotglue...

    • @koshitek
      @koshitek 3 года назад +1

      I use those black cell holder should I still isolate cells?!

    • @idontknow2yatube
      @idontknow2yatube 3 года назад +3

      @@koshitek most holders keep a distance between cells and uses that space as an isolator

    • @ricksinger388
      @ricksinger388 3 года назад +3

      @@koshitek I also use recovered or new battery holders, but I think it is safer to use fish paper or other insulation between cells that are in opposite polar orientation. Low cost, huge safety factor.

  • @GamingWithAJ175679
    @GamingWithAJ175679 4 года назад +2

    So apparently this is a very underrated channel.... keep up the good work mate

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for your support. I have to be more consistent with my content :(

  • @olafschermann1592
    @olafschermann1592 3 года назад

    Great advice. I didn’t think about that either. Thank you for sharing.

  • @effenfish661
    @effenfish661 4 года назад +3

    thank you for sharing all of the safety upgrades that you incorporated

  • @StefanHallEffect
    @StefanHallEffect 3 года назад +6

    Electrical Engineer here. The hot glue is really freaking me out.
    However thanks for the video. You make some good points.

    • @brucehamil-jr396
      @brucehamil-jr396 3 года назад

      Stefan Hall, why is the hot glue freaking you out?

    • @brucehamil-jr396
      @brucehamil-jr396 3 года назад

      Stefan Hall

    • @diyEVguy
      @diyEVguy 3 года назад +4

      @@brucehamil-jr396 Maybe because some (not all) hot-melt adhesives [1] melt at temperatures exceeding the cell thermal runaway temperature [2]. If using hot-melt, then the trick may be to find a glue that melts at a temperature higher than the cell max operating temperature, yet lower than the temperature where permanent cell damage takes place, taking into account temperature distribution along cell enclosure etc etc. Tell me what you think...
      [1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive
      [2] batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion

    • @kennethcartman473
      @kennethcartman473 3 года назад

      The hot glue bothers you but the kapton tape doesn't?

    • @superheaton
      @superheaton 3 года назад

      I second Stefan Hall here. When the hot glue dries overtime or collect debris, it will reach some point of reabsorption. (I'm talking out of my ass here but with relative experience). Depending on usage, it can fail in 2 years or down the road. It could also conduct a little bit in the long term. Since it is sealed off like that, it's going to be increasing its moisture absorption. Think oven. When charging the batteries, it gets warm or hot. So, I liked the idea of the video using hot glue with parallel batteries. But uh I guess the solution is to use cell holders. And if needed, just use neutral cure silicone gel instead. I mean add some spacers between serial batteries for extra safety too, ie; double insulating them from each other. Furthermore, anyone interested should look into the expensive UPS back up power supply designs. They have exceptional guarantees and warranties due to their design. A lot can be learned there too about avoiding faults.

  • @alrivera7520
    @alrivera7520 Год назад

    Wow what a good dude kept it real with you. That’s who you need to be around. Someone who won’t lie to you.

  • @tobsmonster2
    @tobsmonster2 3 года назад

    Great video and a great community you’re developing 👍

  • @atilaestebangosztonyi5284
    @atilaestebangosztonyi5284 3 года назад

    Thanks for this most interesting and important video. Safety is more important than technical

  • @cubiq1
    @cubiq1 4 года назад

    Wonderful video with excellent info. Thanks! ⚡⚡

  • @gandalfthegreen1827
    @gandalfthegreen1827 4 года назад

    The finished product really turned out
    .

  • @geekazoid
    @geekazoid 4 года назад

    Really excellent video. Best practices well conveyed.

  • @JackButlerVideos
    @JackButlerVideos Год назад

    Great video, You really showed you can learn from mistakes and better yourself and your work. Really impressive

  • @dylanhabedank8184
    @dylanhabedank8184 3 года назад

    what a great learning experience! wonderful video, subscribed :)

  • @SimonGraber
    @SimonGraber 3 года назад

    I want to build a diy battery for my onewheel pint, I'd like to put some higher voltage in the battery to get more power. The normal highest voltage is ~62 volts, do you think there would be problems if I put 70?

  • @kushalwalinjkar7134
    @kushalwalinjkar7134 3 года назад +17

    Watching this ,made me feel as if I m watching him make a ticking time bomb

  • @detroitredneckdetroitredne6674
    @detroitredneckdetroitredne6674 3 года назад

    Great video brother I am a new subscriber thank you for your knowledge and expertise I cannot wait to see all of the videos

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for subscribing! Om still trying to read your name though :p

  • @carpo719
    @carpo719 3 года назад

    I have around 30 of these battery is left from my years of vaping, I've been wanting to use them for a project. But after watching a few videos, now I want to buy a whole pack in bulk and really start experimenting does anyone no the best source for good LG batteries in quantity?

  • @alext8828
    @alext8828 3 года назад

    This is a very good video. I subscribed to the channel based on it. Excellent advice and instructions.

  • @jackreacher1963
    @jackreacher1963 2 года назад

    Looks good. We can always learn tricks and tips from people . Thanks for video

  • @SootyHunt
    @SootyHunt Год назад

    Alternate between cells for spot welds…. Hitting each cell with 3 quick welds is putting a lot of heat into it… also don’t spot weld in the centre of the cells… again to help prevent damage to the cell… nickel strips come with a space in the centre for this reason, so you can’t weld the centre 😉
    Great vid. I’m a newb myself. So some great knowledge here… just thought I’d pass some of the knowledge I’ve learnt so far 👍
    Thanks 🙏

  • @DIYwithBatteries
    @DIYwithBatteries 4 года назад +8

    I love those 18650's those are cool 🤓 and the BMS it's so small I like it keep up the good content Sir this is going to be great.

  • @Neotropix12
    @Neotropix12 3 года назад

    Is there such a thing as a voltage cut-off switch that can cut off the power to the li ion battery charger when you hit a specific battery pack voltage? Thanks Tom

  • @AsgardStudios
    @AsgardStudios Год назад

    Excellent tutorial. Cheers!

  • @rajeev3275
    @rajeev3275 4 года назад

    Good info!

  • @olealgoritme6774
    @olealgoritme6774 4 года назад +7

    For even better precautions, don't use soldering irons, as they heat up the battery. Spot welders all day long.

    • @linus-IO
      @linus-IO 4 года назад

      agree, was not really shown in this video but seems like the smaller bms leads was soldered ont the nickel strips, which I guess is fine if it's done before the spotwelding and cannot transfer the heat into the battery.

    • @Boz1211111
      @Boz1211111 3 года назад

      yeah welding is at lower temperature than soldering. especially with pulses as long as in this video

  • @channelsixtysix066
    @channelsixtysix066 2 года назад

    Excellent video, just what I needed.

  • @wallybe2946
    @wallybe2946 4 года назад +8

    Awesome: Thank-you for your time and effort

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching as always Wally.

  • @a-aron2276
    @a-aron2276 3 года назад +2

    Have you thought about getting a simple foot pedal for your spot welder? It'll make your life Sooo much easier 👍🏽

  • @woolenwoods665
    @woolenwoods665 3 года назад

    hello can I ask what is the appropriate thickness of the nickle piece used to connect the those 18650 batteries?

  • @Broxine
    @Broxine 3 года назад

    if i have 4 x 12V batteries and want to do a 24V system, is it better to hook them up into:
    2 in series + 2 in series and those in paralel or
    2 parallel + 2 parallel and those in series ?
    as allways there are folks that say the first is better and other say the latter is better ...

  • @andrewbeaton3302
    @andrewbeaton3302 3 года назад

    GENIUS! GREAT VIDEO!

  • @hyrochinz
    @hyrochinz 3 года назад

    is the fish paper still necessary if i use those lego type battery holders? also i have one suggestion. Double the strips on the main positive and negative busbars to optimise heat dissipation. learnt from my 3rd 10s6p build for my ebike.

  • @DivineStatus
    @DivineStatus 3 года назад

    I want to make battery pack for motor having 48 Rated voltage and 92 Amp continously current by using samung 18650 -30 Q cell ( 4.2 v max volt, 3.6 nominal voltage , 3000 mAh , 15 Amp continously discharge current )
    11S6P Or
    12S6P Or
    11S30P Or
    12S30P .
    Which combination is correct please let me know
    Thank you

  • @nikolaosberatlis3942
    @nikolaosberatlis3942 3 года назад

    I would like to make a 3S1P using 3 18650 batteries. The batteries are protected, do I need a PCB in this case?

  • @JackVincent
    @JackVincent 4 года назад

    I have just taken apart a Hoverboard battery from a broken (new) hoverboard. I'm now in the process of charging each of the 14 cells individually using the motherboard from some old USB 1cell battery packs.
    The cells are charging to 4.2v and after about 12 hours of sitting they drop-down to 4.17/4.18v is this normal? I'm building a 7s2p set up to give me 25.2v and 4aH for my electric skateboard that is currently only 2aH.

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад

      Its normal for old cells. Keep them for a few days and check if it drops further. Also run a few charge discharge cycles and see if they hold up before you build a pack.

  • @CabrioDriving
    @CabrioDriving 3 года назад

    What welding machine do you use? (link?) . I wish to make a few battery packs a month, not industrial scale. Which welding machine would you recommend?

  • @worldbiss1831
    @worldbiss1831 3 года назад

    Excellent demonstration and good advise! We were wondering, How to prevent battery pack fire spark, while cutting the cable that was originally installed with it ? We have used a steel scissor to cut and got a fire spark !

  • @dhananjaykadam2786
    @dhananjaykadam2786 4 месяца назад

    Thank you very much for your guidance. Extremely useful video.

  • @sethescobar8687
    @sethescobar8687 2 года назад

    How does charging a pack like this work?
    I'm familiar with charging 6S lipo packs for my quadcopter.
    Does the BMS handle balancing?
    Or would you need to plug a balance lead into the charger like I do with my quadcopter batteries?

  • @eddyboh2723
    @eddyboh2723 Год назад

    I bought a 48V/99999mAh pack but it got wet and a few weeks after it dried off, the tips along with the strip connectors got oxidized and it wouldn't charge any more. But it had 3.67 volts left after testing it with the multimeter. Can this battery pack be safely fixed?

  • @majmaldcinformation
    @majmaldcinformation 4 месяца назад

    Thank you very much sir I have learned a lot from your video the nickel stick method of spot welding using 18650 cell has been explained very well thank you sir keep making videos like this we learn Will remain great

  • @joypoenergy
    @joypoenergy 2 года назад

    Well done!

  • @foxfire4687
    @foxfire4687 3 года назад +1

    Hey so you're saying in the beginning that li-ion battery are more energy dense than TNT? I think that might be false men... If we take a good 18650 cell with a capacity of 3,5Ah (samsung SDI 35E) that weighs 50g ( according to 18650batterystore) and we calculate it's eneregie density 3.6v x 3.5 Ah x (1000g/50g)= ? We find that it has an energy density of 252Wh/kg. After that we can do a quick research on internet and found that according to wikipedia TNT has an energy density of 4.184 MJ/kg which means 1162Wh/Kg because 1Wh= 3600J. So the TNT is far above 18650 cells in energy density. Aside from that, it was a great video !

    • @foxfire4687
      @foxfire4687 3 года назад +1

      Sorry for my english it's not my native language :)

  • @cameronvaughan8059
    @cameronvaughan8059 3 года назад

    I have over 200 18650 cells and a spot welder and still havent created a battery where to buy the bms shrink wrap and the nixkel strips

  • @brendanwood1540
    @brendanwood1540 3 года назад

    Fungineering reminds me of that one time we did shrooms in our residence in first year Eng. Good times!

  • @AgilityTodd
    @AgilityTodd 2 года назад

    I am working on a very small project to get the hang of making 18650 battery packs. Great video. Question I have is I currently am making a battery pack for a UE MegaBoom bluetooth speaker. I do not want to go the store bought preassembled as those batterys do not last that long. I need to make a pack that uses (2) 18650's and has at least the following specs. 7.4V, 3400 mAh with roughly 25Wh. Can I go bigger for this device. What brand of battery do you recommend? if I go with more mAH than 3400 will the charge last longer? I get the assembly and tools required but please forgive my ignorance on what I should use battery wise as this is currently Lithium Ion but I understand there are the IMR MXJO brand and unsure if 10A or 20A matter. Dont want to fry this thing. LOL. Thanks in advance for your reply. Todd

  • @TheNicky9905
    @TheNicky9905 3 года назад +1

    Back in the day when we raced RC cars, after a race day we'd flatten our packs as much as possible by connecting a low draw motor directly to the motor till it stopped, then connected a high ohm resistor till it cooled down, the put a dead short in the form of a nail across the t and - terminals till we were ready to use them again be it days weeks or months, then pull them out and charge them directly from a car battery monitoring them constantly till they got just short of 🔥 at 20+Amp... they were 1200Mah sub c nicd's mind you, just a teeny tiny bit different haha

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  3 года назад +1

      Damn. Those were the days huh lol

    • @TheNicky9905
      @TheNicky9905 3 года назад +1

      @@Fungineers weren't they? Back when Tamiya and Kyosho were kings of the local tracks, then there were the world titles when the rich sponsored teams turned up with Team Losi or Team Associated multi thousand dollar cars minus the radio gear, motors, batteries or assembly of the little monsters, brushed motors with 3 step forward and 2 step reverse resistor banked "speed controllers" unmatched battery packs not dumping together, aiming for 5mins runtime at best, oh, they were the days haha

    • @TheNicky9905
      @TheNicky9905 3 года назад +1

      Those 1200Mah SCR's, or the naughty, at the time race banned 1800mah SCE's were like tanks compared to today's volatile LiPo's, sure, nowhere near the power stored, but also didn't go thermonuclear if you shorted them for a fraction of a second which I've done and OMG to anyone who hasn't you don't want it it's fecking terrifying!

  • @firepower9966
    @firepower9966 2 года назад

    do you have more info on your new hand piece ? make, model, where to buy?

  • @ziongite
    @ziongite 3 года назад +1

    Lithium batteries are reliable and safe, as long as they are put together professionally. Of course as you pointed out, if random people are putting them together themselves, it can result in mistakes and things like shorts and batteries overheating and essentially exploding.

  • @samdob9832
    @samdob9832 3 года назад

    Hello
    i will wish help please
    I am a beginner in electronics and I would like to manufacture
    a 3S3P battery and with the BMS card I can not understand where to solder the 4.2v and 8.4v on the battery ... I know this is a difficult question to explain here could you do an explanatory video? or a drawing?
    thank you so much

  • @LXTronix
    @LXTronix 3 года назад

    wood has 4 times the energy density of TNT. so is my kitchen table even more dangerous than li ion ?

  • @Brian-jz1pi
    @Brian-jz1pi Месяц назад

    How do the balance leeds work? That's new for lthium ion why ? I don't want to burn the house down.

  • @martinhyska1206
    @martinhyska1206 3 года назад

    hi, i am try to improve my home made spot welding machine too. I noticed, that y have same double pulse module as me. I am little doubt that module works good. For me it weld max at current pulse to 70% with pulse length abut 15ms. But quality also not so good. if go higher with current by setting over 70, it not weld at all. Power setting on this module is so strange. Transformer is over 1kw and secondary wire about 15mm, so there is not problem. i noticed, that without module is power much more stronger. Dont know if new handle help me or new module buy.

  • @erik120719
    @erik120719 4 года назад

    I have 6 Samsung 18650 25r cells. Rated at 20a discharge and 35a burst and 2500mah. I want to make both a 2s2p pack and a 2s pack for my bugs 3 drone. I charge with a ibmax smart charger. Do I need a bms on my packs? I have seen diy packs with and without them. I have looked for bms boards and most have low amp ratings and the 2s2p pack would have 80a - 140a capability. I think this would be an issue. Intend on using 14ga ofc wire to build this pack. Any advice would be awesome, I'd like to not burn my house down charging a pack or cook my drone in mid air under a hard burst. Thank you ALOT in advance. You video is very informative also, thanks for your time putting good information up for people to learn from!
    Edit, I was unclear what the bms actually did, my charger balances so all I need to do is add balance leads and properly build and package my battery pack and all will be good! Thanks for showing people how to properly seperate and wrap a pack!

    • @cubiq1
      @cubiq1 4 года назад +2

      If you charge the 2s2p pack with an iMax hobby charger then no you don't need a BMS. Just make sure you correctly connect the balance leads so the charger can monitor the voltages of the parallel groups.

  • @mirkowachter3323
    @mirkowachter3323 3 года назад

    What would be the effect if my nickel strips are not thick enough? Would they just get very hot? Or would also the voltage drop? I have a 4S2P pack with SONY Murata VTC6, which should be able do deliver 30A*2 continuously, but I have a fast voltage on only 15-20A.

    • @pianojacq
      @pianojacq 2 года назад

      Charge / discharge efficiency would drop, worst case the thermal cycling of the strips would cause the welds to disconnect, after which the pack can become dangerous to use (imagine: one cell disconnects temporarily, the others are recharged, then the cell reconnects and now the charged cells dump all of their charge into the empty one without any kind of charge control at ridiculous rates, it would certainly cause the empty cell to catch fire).

  • @FM-fn7eo
    @FM-fn7eo 3 года назад

    hy , if i have cell's from 1700 to 2300 mah can I use them all in one power pack ,( 120 cell's )? or I should use only 2000-2300 cell's in one small pack ( 50 cell' ) thanks

    • @pianojacq
      @pianojacq 2 года назад

      You can, assuming that you manage to sort them in such a way that each parallel cell group ends up with roughly the same capacity otherwise your pack will go wildly out of balance during charging. You also need to make sure that the various batteries are roughly at the same point in their life-cycle otherwise your pack will die while a lot of cells are still good. (Pack age is the age of the oldest cell!)

  • @AV-81
    @AV-81 4 года назад +1

    Hey! I was wondering if the kapton tape you used to absolutely cover it would create a problem if the battery ever overheated... Or reduce any natural air cooling..... I have been binge watching these kinds of videos ( :P) and I have seen many people do this but I don't understand why...
    Cheers! 😃

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад +1

      I suppose youre right. I haven't really tested it but the tape insures the pack is electrically insulated.

  • @DivinityIsPurity
    @DivinityIsPurity 3 года назад

    I read on facebook kweld group, somone mentioned that batteries placed in parallel can also develop internal short and have all other batteries in parallel dump their energy into the shorted battery and cause fire. They mentioned it can be avoided by using fused strips or connecting a bus bar with a fuse to every battery with a limit above the constant discharge amp rating or above bms overdischarge cuttoff divided by number in paralell. That should ensure if internal battery short does happen the fuse would cuttoff the power to faulty battery.

    • @pianojacq
      @pianojacq 2 года назад

      This is true in principle, but by then it is technically too late because that one cell has other ways of corrupting the cells next to it: thermally it will be more than happy to start a chain reaction in neighboring cells. The better way to deal with this is to ensure that you treat your cells properly, avoid under and over charging (which are the conditions that can lead to internal shorts). When in doubt about the provenance of your cells monitor them using a FLIR while charging / discharging to spot the odd one out in a larger pack, or, alternatively cell-by-cell using a spot IR meter (cheaper than FLIR, but more cumbersome to use).
      Having a fuse-per-battery looks like a win in all cases but it also introduces a non-trivial risk: if not detected it will cause the pack to go out of balance, which can lead to serious undervoltage while discharging or overvoltage while charging up the pack with a less-than-intelligent charger. An active balancer might be able to compensate depending on how far the pack will go out of balance but there are limits to what can be done.

  • @almightynewdawnson12
    @almightynewdawnson12 2 года назад

    What is it called u u are using to stack tht irpn heads connection

  • @migz6681
    @migz6681 4 года назад +1

    its better to use cell spacer/holder for the air flow

  • @riche4you1975
    @riche4you1975 3 года назад

    Flipping hate messing about with these batts everytime the bike messes up, get more cuts that working with paper, one thing though batts can get quite hot that mixed with vibration will separate the batts, I tend to use gorillaglue.

  • @hankmoody5514
    @hankmoody5514 2 года назад

    awesome vid man

  • @ElectricScienceDad
    @ElectricScienceDad 2 года назад

    how do you know the correct order to place the nickel strips?

  • @KHUDATBESAAZ
    @KHUDATBESAAZ 3 года назад

    Please make a video of how to use charge and wirings of a bms for lituim

  • @KetansaCreatesArt
    @KetansaCreatesArt 3 года назад

    Hello Fungineers, I made my first 3s batterypack few days ago. Using 3 x 4 = 12 cells. I did not solder or weld them. I used the spring loaded 3 cell plastic containers, and glued them back to back opposite directions. No cell touches eachother. But from the top and bottom I attached lot of wires, positives, negatives, and balance wires that goes together to the BMS at one end. Then I ducktaped the whole thing.
    I am using it to run powerful 100watt LEDs on my bike.
    Is it safe so far?

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  3 года назад +1

      It depends how well it is made. If there are no loose wires or components you should be ok

    • @KetansaCreatesArt
      @KetansaCreatesArt 3 года назад

      @@Fungineers
      Thanks for answer. No loose components. Everything ducktaped tightly. I was just concerned that those wires run to the BMS together in a bunch. I hope they stay cold.

  • @aaronbateman2948
    @aaronbateman2948 3 года назад +2

    How can I make sure I get a constant 12v? I want to make a trolling motor battery. If I do a 3s pack at full charge it is 12.6v, but at the low end of the charge it would be something like 10v. I can make a 4s pack, but then my fully charged voltage is 16.8v which is too high. Is there a good way for me to make a 4s pack that provides a constant 12v?

    • @drbonezzz1892
      @drbonezzz1892 3 года назад

      use LIFEP04 instead of LI-ION batteries. You get less risk of fire too.

    • @pianojacq
      @pianojacq 2 года назад

      If you really want to use Li-Ion you should start off with a higher voltage, say 24V and then use a step-down DC to DC convertor or switching regulator to get your desired output voltage.

  • @enrgysolarandpowerinverter4379
    @enrgysolarandpowerinverter4379 2 года назад

    Good evening, I made a 48 volt battery, but after a full charge it does not exceed 51 volts. What is the problem? Thank you, my friend. I follow you from Egypt

  • @logikami
    @logikami 3 года назад

    i have a cell of my 48v solar battery pack blown few months back. luckily, i have wrap them with adhesive tape, each 2 cells. she's blown from positive charge terminal. and yes, shes loud as hell.
    inside 18650, is just paper rolled with no tobacco in it.

  • @akolngto9314
    @akolngto9314 3 года назад

    Is it ok to use soldering to connet the connectors to series the batt? I just want to series use soldering. Is it ok or safe?

    • @pianojacq
      @pianojacq 2 года назад

      No, you should not solder on the cells. You can but it really isn't wise, you are prematurely aging the cells at best and damaging them at worst.

  • @SilentDtH
    @SilentDtH 4 года назад +1

    Subscribed and thanks for sharing. I have built a 10s4p and do not have the fish paper isolation or o-rings. My wires are also not clean like yours and I can imagine if they melted they would short. I need to re-do it!

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад

      Yes please. Safety first!

    • @MaximC
      @MaximC 4 года назад

      True. Although why would they melt?
      Sincere question.

    • @Fungineers
      @Fungineers  4 года назад +1

      @@MaximC putting out 20 amps continous sometimes packs can get pretty hot!

    • @MaximC
      @MaximC 4 года назад

      @@Fungineers
      I see. So, depending on kind of currents used - additional insulation can be a good idea. Thank you for the reply.

    • @pianojacq
      @pianojacq 2 года назад

      Crossed balancing wires are a great way to start fires, even some professionally built packs (for instance: Bosch powerpacks) suffer from this.