If a destiny type gate existed prior to a Atlantis gate being placed their then the firmware that gets sent around the gate network could have, locked out the Destiny gates to prevent travellers from being stranded due to their limited range.
I hadn’t considered that idea. That would make sense though they may have had to do a sort of miniature network update, locking out each one separately.
If Pegasus gates preempt all others and updates lock out Destiny style gates then the only likely way of ending up connecting to one without already knowing exactly what you're trying to do would be if like in Solitudes a power spike causes the connection to jump to the nearest functional gate which happens to be a Destiny gate on the same or a nearby planet. *Spoiler* This was basically shown in the back to Pegasus comics said to be based on outlines for seasons of SGA we never got. I wonder if this "connection jumping" might play a role on how the old gate bridge actually worked rather than it really being gate#1 storing and forwarding travelers to #2 than #2 to #3 and so on to Midway Station before opening an event horizon with instead the initial connection being made to gate #1 of the bridge and then a strong spike of additional power applied to kick the other end the 80,000 ly to the next gate in the chain, 17 times over or so. Anyway that last bit aside this means that with help from any of the Priors gate connections across massive extragalactic distances similar to that between the MW and Ori galaxy (claimed to be anywhere from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of lightyears) could be made by targeting any galaxy on destiny's known path within that range and sending Supergate pieces through. This site should only need a singularity to power a dial out and a BC-304 (310, whatever they're up to) could go through and either check the area to make sure it's clear before turning some planet in that system into a black hole or move the gate and reassemble that Supergate near a black hole already in that galaxy. Even that might take years to catch up to destiny if it's been moving at ftl speeds that cross even a small galaxy in months for fifty million rears. Possibly trillions of light-years requiring a few thousand Supergates. Even a tenth that could mean a decade for some spinoff show following the old gate trail and running into wonders and aliens along the way. Or maybe ten years in show but five seasons or something. Actually it could start soon after the Ark of Truth/the SGU finale and cover up to the present where thay catch up,
Funny thought: Let's assume Destiny-type gates are capable of making longer-range connections (interstellar and possibly intergalactic) just like the Milky Way and Pegasus models, and it's merely an issue of power. Let's also assume Destiny itself kept a log of every eight-chevron serial number assigned to gates, and where they were dropped (a reasonable assumption, given the ship's purpose). Third assumption, and the least-likely of all, an intergalactic connection can be maintained _on stored power_ long enough to disconnect the power source and jump into the gate after establishing the connection, taking the power source with you. (Fourth assumption, though one strongly implied by the show itself, is that power requirements for a wormhole are _exclusively_ a function of distance; that is, if you manually reprogrammed the Abydos gate to be capable of Nine-Chevron dialing, it would be entirely possible to dial Earth via its known Nine-Chevron Address _without_ any external power source, as the distance is still the same and the power requirements being the same as the traditional Seven-Chevron Address.) If all of the above are true, then with enough planning, a fully charged ZPM, and a hot-pluggable power adapter to jack it directly into a gate, it would be theoretically possible to gate-hop along Destiny's entire flight path back to Earth, using Nine-Chevron Addresses to go between galaxies with only the power requirements of Eight-Chevron connections (as the power requirement is adjacent-intergalactic rather than "sizeable portion of the Hubble Volume" superintergalactic), like a larger scale but fully manual version of the Midway Bridge.
Certainly interesting. Almost guaranteed lots of the old gates in the path to the ship don't work anymore. They older gates were shown to be easily damaged.
i think the way an 8 Shevron adress is dialed is by asking the whole Network "who has this Adress i need to establish a wormhole connection" if the gate with that adress isnt found the request get forwarded to neighboring Networks, basically the same way the gate network updates, this means the required Power would always be higher than using the location based adress type, although i think dialing within the same Galaxy would still be doable within the standard power consumption a Milkiway or Pegasus Gate has all be it with a shorter opening time for the wormhole
@@SiXiamyes, but didn’t it drop like millions of gates per galaxy? We’re talking about multiple galaxies and millions of years here, I doubt it just quickly popped in and dropped one gate, it probably flew in a straight line dropping gates on every habitable planet it found, and galaxies have a lot of planets
@@oldylad Yeah it was a straight line, then it could have gaps. Milky way gates could dial from one gate to another in the same galaxy. SGU gates were short range. We only say like 3 gates in range at any one time. So say maybe 50 light years max. It makes sense to always have 3 gates in range in case one or two didn't work.. So if it did have that redundancy it could work going through the gates. Take a few years though going through all those gates. Unsure of what is on all these planets to gate hop.
They could also simply enlist the help of the Ori priors to build supergates to traverse the distance. Especially since the Destiny crew had access to the bridge controls, so they could bring the ship to a halt (presuming they were able to elude the AI drones) and jump to wherever the supergate eventually emerged. Then it would be a simple matter to hop onto the Ori vessel and ship any personnel home and bring over fresh replacements. I don't think travelling this way would take THAT long, considering that they're powered by black holes. Perhaps they could even use a modified version of McKay's macro to further reduce travel time?
i mean there is a possibility that at least a few remote planet in pegasus can have destiny gates, but i dont sure they are well "functioning" they are an early primitve gates with limited range, so i think they are now defunct. they cant connect to more recent gate networks for safety reasons, and they cant reach other gates a galaxy away. so if the pegasus have some leftover destiny gate those are nothing more than monuments.
It would have been interesting if they showed that the Milky Way or Pegasus gates could be split in half. That would show that the ancients had planned for earlier generations of gates to be replaced with newer models by transferring them though the gate and assembling them on the other side.
Another excellent video! I doubt the Ancients planned on gating to Destiny as early as when it passed through Pegasus. Look at how long it takes to go between galaxies in the series. In the series finale, they were preparing for an unusually long jump between galaxies and that was only going to take a few years. So if the Ancients planned on going that early (only a year or so into the mission), I think they would have just put themselves in the ship's stasis pods from the start wouldn't they? Is it confirmed that the seed ships actually put gates in Pegasus? I'd say it's more likely Destiny just passed through there before going on to the next galaxy. It needs stars to refuel, so it's going to go from one galaxy to the next rather than following a straight line.
It’s never been stated when the Ancients planned on gating to destiny, but I always assumed they began seeding the Pegasus galaxy right away as they could have planned to gate there and learn about other galaxies while on route to the universe signal thing. 99% of all Stargates seeded along Destiny’s path wouldn’t be used anyway (coz of the sheer magnitude of distance they would be travelling + the millions of years spent inside the stasis pods) You’d think that at least one person or team would have gated to destiny long before it was out of range (within the few hundred or thousands of years after its initial launch) so something must have happened fairly early on that made them abandon Destiny all together. So basically the seed ships began placing gates right from the start as there isn’t a feasible way of predicting when a team would be sent out to destiny or at what point they would need provisions from seeded planets, so might as well place as many as possible. If you count the continuation comic as canon to the story, then there actually were Ancients in a sealed off section of Destiny all along. So they would have needed gates in Pegasus to gather resources.
@@Gatetraveller1 "You’d think that at least one person or team would have gated to destiny long before it was out of range (within the few hundred or thousands of years after its initial launch) so something must have happened fairly early on that made them abandon Destiny all together." Maybe they did go, for a while, and then went home again. Different teams could have gone many times. While Destiny was still close enough for whatever power source they were using (might have been before they invented the ZPM, I don't know) they could have sent a team every thousand years or so. Check on the progress of decoding the signal, collect resources from planets and make repairs if needed, study a few galaxies as the ship passed through them, then gate home again while the ship recharges in a star. Once the ship was getting too far away for them to reasonably power the gate any more, that's when they planned on using the pods. Set a timer to wake you up every couple thousand years and go to sleep. I think the reason they stopped going was because they realized that ascension was an option and started focusing their efforts towards that instead. There was also the plague, which took their attention away from other things for a long time and eventually drove them to a new galaxy. I hadn't known about the comics until now, but the summary on the SGCommand fandom wiki suggests that Destiny and the city-ships like Atlantis were two projects working toward the same goal. If we're considering that to be cannon, then maybe the reason they abandoned Destiny is because the city-ships proved more successful. However the timeline presented seems to conflict with other information so I don't know.
@@John73John the comics are a bit iffy when it comes to canon. For one they state that Destiny was built 1 million years ago, yet they also say it was a competing project with Atlantis (like you mentioned), which was already in the Pegasus galaxy millions of years prior to when they say Destiny was built. I also don’t like that they had Rush say “launched hundreds of thousands of years ago”. He’s guessing, but that info is presented like fact to the audience when even Rush should know that the oldest Milkyway gate is 50 million years old and destiny is clearly running off much older technology.
@@Gatetraveller1 Yeah Rush's statement bothered me a bit. I noticed there are 2 conflicting Stargate wikis. Fandom's SGCommand has a timeline that puts Destiny's launch between 50 and 30 million years ago, but the Gateworld wiki puts it only hundreds of thousands of years ago like Rush said. I guess the best explanation is "writers made a mistake" and just leave it at that. Something occurred to me regarding if there were Destiny gates in Pegasus. If you put a newer Pegasus gate on a planet but leave the old one there, the new gate takes priority and all incoming wormholes go to it. However if that gate is destroyed, or moved by someone to a different planet, or buried by some natural disaster, then the wormhole will connect to the old gate. We've also seen ("Solitudes") that wormholes can jump from one gate to another under certain conditions. This is a problem if you accidentally emerge from the wrong gate and can't figure out how to dial home again, since the symbols and dialing system are so different. Also since the Lanteans weren't using the old gate it might be on a part of the planet that has becomes really dangerous that they weren't aware of. But it might be a much bigger problem if you're in a puddle jumper. Destiny's gates are noticeably smaller than the later designs. I looked around for some dimensions and couldn't find any, but it's possible that a puddle jumper won't fit through a Destiny-style gate. If Atlantis accidentally connected to one (believing that the Pegasus-style gate was still active) then I'm afraid to think what might happen if the event horizon isn't big enough to rematerialize the jumper. So, safety issues alone are a good reason to remove the old gates when you're placing the new ones. If they're deploying new gates by beaming them onto the planet from orbit, it would be pretty easy to scan for the old gate and beam it up at the same time. Maybe some parts could be re-used, and if nothing else they could melt them down for raw materials.
@@John73John someone else commented that they could have just sent out a Gate Update when seeding the Pegasus Gates, locking out the Destiny gates. I like that idea as it’s less hassle that having to round up the probably thousands of Destiny Gates. I doubt seed ships had any space onboard to melt down old versions of stargates + the older gates are not made of Naquadah which is a factor in there range capability. They would be too busy created and placing new ones, so a simple gate lock out protocol makes more sense. That would be an interesting story idea though, if say one of the older gates malfunctioned and accidentally let a wormhole connect. Regarding puddle jumpers, that’s already a possible issue with normal stargates as you can bury quite a bit of the event horizon and still have a gate connection form. So say a civilisation put their stargate room floor higher up inside the gate, a puddle jumper wouldn’t be able to fit and who knows what would happen.
I always thought Milkyway and Pegasus were the only galaxy's with naquadah gates that we see in the show. Any galaxy beyond them are Destiny/seed ship gates. So Andromeda came to mind. One of the largest galaxies. I wonder if Andromeda is seeded with Destiny gates and I think if an earth ship had a gate on it they could find the addresses of those gates by tapping into the gates system which I'm sure has information. The blue aliens in Universe were able to use the gates and they didn't have DHD's or Destiny dialing remotes like Eli has.
This kind of makes me wonder if the Ancients chose moved to the Pegasus because of the presence of Destiny gates. Sure it was the closest and that was defiantly the main reason. But with gates already there it would have made it easier for them to speed out.
It would have made the job easier for seed ships, as if there was a Destiny Gate present the planet was most likely still habitable, though not always.
I'm thinking Andromeda was the Ori Galaxy, being the Milky Way's closest neighbour, which is why Destiny headed in the opposite direction through Pegasus and Ida.
I always assumed that was the reason they ended up going to Pegasus. Figure they simply dialed a destiny gate from the Milky Way and sent a scouting party.
It makes sense for older gates to be knocked over and new ones built on top. A lot of cities ground level has risen as new stuff is built on the remnants if older stuff. Or how you can find 150 year old telegraph insulators by walking along train tracks. They were just left where they were when new ones were installed.
May I ask where did you find that the Destiny pods are that advanced? It makes sense that they would be effective for long travels but there is no proof that the modern one can't do the same thing. Also we don't know much about the pods on Destiny, we've seen in only couple episodes and since Destiny is older technology it would make sense that the modern technology would be better in almost anything. Also I would want to know where did you find anything about the "modern seed ships". It makes sense that there would some kind of ships to create a stargate network but at the same time nothing like this was mentioned in the show as far as I can remember but I could be wrong.
I know they are known to be arrogant, but from an engineering point of view it would make sense to put gates in Pegasus. It could be a test run in a spot they can actually get to. So if something would malfunction they could go to the planet by other means and see what went wrong. Plus they would be closer to repair facilities.
There’s two hypothesis I can imagine. The first is a simple no and that the Seeds ships were programmed to start seeding galaxies further out. The second is more fun and would posit that the corridors of gates we see in other SGU galaxies would exist. But, given how early the gates were placed and how much a planet could change over millions of years, any number of gates could be disabled by natural disasters or even alien life. And of course they could’ve been used for early exploration and then replaced by newer models over time. Again, seed ships only provide Destiny with corridor and not a whole galaxy. A future season of SGU wouldve been fun to show a Destiny gate in Pegasus for some reason. Like on an Icarus planet to try adapting it for a supply line and then seeing if a destiny gage could do the same from Destiny’s end.
Why would the Lanteans waste perfectly habitable planets by ignoring them and the Destiny gates? No, I think that they would have either seeded humans or colonized these worlds themselves. Either way, the limited range of the Destiny gates, which were only able to dial a handful of nearby Stargates, would have been replaced sometime during the early period of their inhabiting the Pegasus galaxy, as they were far too inconvenient when compared to even Milky Way model Stargates. Also, Destiny and the seed ships far predate any sort of beaming technology, which was actually pioneered by the Asgard. The seed ships likely descended directly to the surface and lowered the new Stargate directly to the ground.
*not to be confused with the actual pegusis galaxy that orbits the larger andromeda galaxy as opposed to the milkyway as it does in the fictional TV show "stargate atlantis"
The Lantean tech from Pegasus, made after the Lanteans left Earth after the plague, is more advanced than Destiny. The Ancients launched destiny at the height of their power in the Milkyway, long before Atlantis was taken to Pegasus.
now hold on, the atlantis stasis pods were far more advanced than the destiny stasis pods, the destiny itself is extremely old and predates both alteran and atlantean technology, the only reason the atlantean stasis pods caused their occupants to age slowly was because of the limited amount of power atlantis itself had on reserve, its like trying to run a car on fumes.
I always figured when the Ancients got to Pegasus must have used Atlantis to gather current data from the Destiny gates. After that I thought they would have recycled the gates somehow into the Atlantian style of Stargate.
Pegasus Dwarf is definitely not the closest galaxy to the Milky Way. Dozens of galaxies are closer. All of the Milky Way satellite galaxies are closer. The Pegasus Dwarf is a satellite to the Andromeda Galaxy, and even Adromeda itself is closer (2.5 Mly) than Pegasus (3 Mly). The closest galaxy to the Milky Way is the Canis Major Dwarf in a distance of 25 kly. Even the 4th largest galaxy of the Local Group, the Large Magellanic Cloud is only 163 kly away. All and all, 98 galaxies are closer to the Milky Way than the Pegasus Dwarf.
I’m referring to Gate Networks. Pegasus Galaxy = closest gate network. I had no idea there were that many galaxies ‘in-between’ the Milkyway and Andromeda, that’s quite cool.
The basis of SGU is essentially the Ancients wanting more astronomical data to discover evidence from a potential creator of the universe Gathering data from 25,000 light years away is pointless when the universe is 70 billion to 28 trillion light years big.
@@Josh-oj9mmyeah. The seed ships Stargates were breadcrumbs for Destiny to follow and with thousands of millions of years passed, a lot of data would have been sent to Destiny, building a picture I'm guessing.
As far as I know the stargate gains it's chevrons after it's proper activation sequence (not the first dial up) after a prolonged period of time like a decade after planting on a planet and should in the tens of billions of years for a species or multiple encounter that gate it shapes into morphologically tangentially understandable constellation graphs to those species with the milky way being the eldest pattern, atlantis being closest to ancient script constellations and destiny's gates are deployed brand spanking new, sporting new designs based on artificially intelligent minimalism. But yeah technically speaking every star gate is a destiny or sister seed ship original.
late comment, but i thing Pegasus most likely would have destiny gates down the path the ships traveled, but highly likely because we see no dhd at all with them that they can only be accessed by the control device on board destiny or the hand hold, so highly likely they cant connect to the wider gate network at all, also the fact they can only really dial a couple gates down the line because of a range issue. so highly likely ever the anchnets scooped them all up when they settled there or because they just wasnt connected to the main network let them just get burried over time
It's possible the seed ships only seeded a trail of solar systems down the path in Pegasus but not all habitable worlds then when Atlantis arrived in Pegasus they replaced those gates and seeded more worlds/solar systems with new gates that didn't have them prior. Also, I don't know if those worlds had life on them or the ancients terra formed them themselves. Some may have had alien life that was altered for introducing humanity. It seems most worlds had the same plant life from earth they probably brought with them. In a way many planets were like earths sisters sisters sister and so on.
It could be that the technology did exist at the time of Atlantis’s construction - but the extreme long term pods were not necessary. Destiny had them installed so the crew could hop out, gate to planets for resources, then hop back in for a few million years at a time?
@@Gatetraveller1 The "not necessary" is not how tech works (mostly) , most of the time. The old tech is simply not available, production facilities and how-to are kind of gone. Example: most phone are way to powerful for the daily need... why no iPhone 4 if I only need the phone feature.
@@ricardoabh3242 I get what you mean, but it isn’t an issue with power. Yes iPhone 4/14 are miles apart power wise - but they do the exact same things. The pods on destiny are specifically for extreme stasis periods (hundreds of thousands/millions of years at a time) while Atlantis pods have no reason to store someone that long. They are essentially sleep pods for people who may be injured or need a short amount of stasis during journeys.
If the ship has perfected cryostasis pods, why even the need to gate over to it? Seems rather strange to let one of your most advanced ships, with perfected cryostasis pods roam on autopilot...
I believe that the stasis pods we see in the show are spare ones. If you consider the continuation comic book to be canon, then there were Ancients onboard Destiny from its launch. Gating to the ship would be an additional way onboard for further Ancients in case of further supplies/people needed before getting out of range of Earth.
@@PerfectAlibi1 in the comics they were still in stasis. Eli discovered them while searching for a way to fix the remaining pod for himself when everyone else was asleep. Another reason for having a gate onboard Destiny (apart from gathering resources) would be an evacuation plan. In a desperate situation, the Ancients could have dialled Earth before the ships destruction (or plunged Destiny into a star if it was out of range of connection to gain the necessary power like seen in the show)
@@PerfectAlibi1 When Destiny was being prepped for launch, a couple of engineers were doing final repairs onboard when the countdown timer suddenly went off and the ship left Earth orbit. They couldn’t use the gate due to its proximity to the Earth gate (presumably a Destiny type gate on Earths surface) and so they were instructed to enter Stasis and await the arrival of the away team. For whatever reason (perhaps the Ancients learned of ascension and abandoned the Destiny plan) the away team never gated aboard and the engineers were left asleep. Millions of years later, Eli went looking for more Stasis Pods for a replacement part for his remaining broken one. He then found another set, but two Ancient engineers were already awake (probably due to Eli messing around with the Stasis systems) standing in front of three other Ancients still in stasis. When they seen Eli they shot him, knocking him unconscious. I do recommend reading the comic as it’s quite good, but its canonicity is up for debate if a new show is released by Amazon.
destiny gate was the oldest gate version. like milkyway version it 2 spinning. only pegasus gate was alot newer and more advanced.. bc it used more of a digital spin and not the gate itself.. in term of oldest to newest. Destiny gate 50+ mill years old milkyway gate 30+mill years old pegasus gate 15+ mill years old and reason why Destiny gates was unable to dial bc there was no DHD. only the hand control found on destiny ship.. in theory from show and info they told destiny is 50+ mill years old and atlantis is prob around 20+/30+ mill years old and since both milkyways gates and peagsus gates was powered by DHD. and DHD had a cold fusion reactor core inside to power gates up to 50 mill years before depleted
I never understood the destiny gatees.. they dont evcen have a dialing device except the handheld one.. The destiny pods also didnt make any sense, destiny is way wayy older than atlantis... yet its pods are more advanced ? No sense to me, they did this just to end the show quickly though
I think you could operate a Destiny gate if you have all the symbols mapped in a dialing computer program like the SGC use but also I'm pretty sure access to the gates network is possible. Eli plugged his remote into a damaged gate. I think if studied enough, Carter or somebody could create an adaptive cable to do the same and connect to the gate, finding out it's address and others in the vicinity.
destiny gate was the oldest gate version. like milkyway version it 2 spinning. only pegasus gate was alot newer and more advanced.. bc it used more of a digital spin and not the gate itself.. in term of oldest to newest. Destiny gate 50+ mill years old milkyway gate 30+mill years old pegasus gate 15+ mill years old and reason why Destiny gates was unable to dial bc there was no DHD. only the hand control found on destiny ship..
There’s two hypothesis I can imagine. The first is a simple no and that the Seeds ships were programmed to start seeding galaxies further out. The second is more fun and would posit that the corridors of gates we see in other SGU galaxies would exist. But, given how early the gates were placed and how much a planet could change over millions of years, any number of gates could be disabled by natural disasters or even alien life. And of course they could’ve been used for early exploration and then replaced by newer models over time. Again, seed ships only provide Destiny with corridor and not a whole galaxy. A future season of SGU wouldve been fun to show a Destiny gate in Pegasus for some reason. Like on an Icarus planet to try adapting it for a supply line and then seeing if a destiny gage could do the same from Destiny’s end.
If a destiny type gate existed prior to a Atlantis gate being placed their then the firmware that gets sent around the gate network could have, locked out the Destiny gates to prevent travellers from being stranded due to their limited range.
I hadn’t considered that idea. That would make sense though they may have had to do a sort of miniature network update, locking out each one separately.
If Pegasus gates preempt all others and updates lock out Destiny style gates then the only likely way of ending up connecting to one without already knowing exactly what you're trying to do would be if like in Solitudes a power spike causes the connection to jump to the nearest functional gate which happens to be a Destiny gate on the same or a nearby planet. *Spoiler* This was basically shown in the back to Pegasus comics said to be based on outlines for seasons of SGA we never got.
I wonder if this "connection jumping" might play a role on how the old gate bridge actually worked rather than it really being gate#1 storing and forwarding travelers to #2 than #2 to #3 and so on to Midway Station before opening an event horizon with instead the initial connection being made to gate #1 of the bridge and then a strong spike of additional power applied to kick the other end the 80,000 ly to the next gate in the chain, 17 times over or so.
Anyway that last bit aside this means that with help from any of the Priors gate connections across massive extragalactic distances similar to that between the MW and Ori galaxy (claimed to be anywhere from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of lightyears) could be made by targeting any galaxy on destiny's known path within that range and sending Supergate pieces through. This site should only need a singularity to power a dial out and a BC-304 (310, whatever they're up to) could go through and either check the area to make sure it's clear before turning some planet in that system into a black hole or move the gate and reassemble that Supergate near a black hole already in that galaxy. Even that might take years to catch up to destiny if it's been moving at ftl speeds that cross even a small galaxy in months for fifty million rears. Possibly trillions of light-years requiring a few thousand Supergates.
Even a tenth that could mean a decade for some spinoff show following the old gate trail and running into wonders and aliens along the way. Or maybe ten years in show but five seasons or something. Actually it could start soon after the Ark of Truth/the SGU finale and cover up to the present where thay catch up,
Funny thought: Let's assume Destiny-type gates are capable of making longer-range connections (interstellar and possibly intergalactic) just like the Milky Way and Pegasus models, and it's merely an issue of power. Let's also assume Destiny itself kept a log of every eight-chevron serial number assigned to gates, and where they were dropped (a reasonable assumption, given the ship's purpose). Third assumption, and the least-likely of all, an intergalactic connection can be maintained _on stored power_ long enough to disconnect the power source and jump into the gate after establishing the connection, taking the power source with you. (Fourth assumption, though one strongly implied by the show itself, is that power requirements for a wormhole are _exclusively_ a function of distance; that is, if you manually reprogrammed the Abydos gate to be capable of Nine-Chevron dialing, it would be entirely possible to dial Earth via its known Nine-Chevron Address _without_ any external power source, as the distance is still the same and the power requirements being the same as the traditional Seven-Chevron Address.)
If all of the above are true, then with enough planning, a fully charged ZPM, and a hot-pluggable power adapter to jack it directly into a gate, it would be theoretically possible to gate-hop along Destiny's entire flight path back to Earth, using Nine-Chevron Addresses to go between galaxies with only the power requirements of Eight-Chevron connections (as the power requirement is adjacent-intergalactic rather than "sizeable portion of the Hubble Volume" superintergalactic), like a larger scale but fully manual version of the Midway Bridge.
Certainly interesting. Almost guaranteed lots of the old gates in the path to the ship don't work anymore. They older gates were shown to be easily damaged.
i think the way an 8 Shevron adress is dialed is by asking the whole Network "who has this Adress i need to establish a wormhole connection" if the gate with that adress isnt found the request get forwarded to neighboring Networks, basically the same way the gate network updates, this means the required Power would always be higher than using the location based adress type, although i think dialing within the same Galaxy would still be doable within the standard power consumption a Milkiway or Pegasus Gate has all be it with a shorter opening time for the wormhole
@@SiXiamyes, but didn’t it drop like millions of gates per galaxy? We’re talking about multiple galaxies and millions of years here, I doubt it just quickly popped in and dropped one gate, it probably flew in a straight line dropping gates on every habitable planet it found, and galaxies have a lot of planets
@@oldylad Yeah it was a straight line, then it could have gaps. Milky way gates could dial from one gate to another in the same galaxy. SGU gates were short range. We only say like 3 gates in range at any one time. So say maybe 50 light years max. It makes sense to always have 3 gates in range in case one or two didn't work.. So if it did have that redundancy it could work going through the gates. Take a few years though going through all those gates. Unsure of what is on all these planets to gate hop.
They could also simply enlist the help of the Ori priors to build supergates to traverse the distance. Especially since the Destiny crew had access to the bridge controls, so they could bring the ship to a halt (presuming they were able to elude the AI drones) and jump to wherever the supergate eventually emerged. Then it would be a simple matter to hop onto the Ori vessel and ship any personnel home and bring over fresh replacements. I don't think travelling this way would take THAT long, considering that they're powered by black holes. Perhaps they could even use a modified version of McKay's macro to further reduce travel time?
i mean there is a possibility that at least a few remote planet in pegasus can have destiny gates, but i dont sure they are well "functioning" they are an early primitve gates with limited range, so i think they are now defunct. they cant connect to more recent gate networks for safety reasons, and they cant reach other gates a galaxy away. so if the pegasus have some leftover destiny gate those are nothing more than monuments.
It would have been interesting if they showed that the Milky Way or Pegasus gates could be split in half. That would show that the ancients had planned for earlier generations of gates to be replaced with newer models by transferring them though the gate and assembling them on the other side.
Another excellent video!
I doubt the Ancients planned on gating to Destiny as early as when it passed through Pegasus. Look at how long it takes to go between galaxies in the series. In the series finale, they were preparing for an unusually long jump between galaxies and that was only going to take a few years. So if the Ancients planned on going that early (only a year or so into the mission), I think they would have just put themselves in the ship's stasis pods from the start wouldn't they?
Is it confirmed that the seed ships actually put gates in Pegasus? I'd say it's more likely Destiny just passed through there before going on to the next galaxy. It needs stars to refuel, so it's going to go from one galaxy to the next rather than following a straight line.
It’s never been stated when the Ancients planned on gating to destiny, but I always assumed they began seeding the Pegasus galaxy right away as they could have planned to gate there and learn about other galaxies while on route to the universe signal thing.
99% of all Stargates seeded along Destiny’s path wouldn’t be used anyway (coz of the sheer magnitude of distance they would be travelling + the millions of years spent inside the stasis pods)
You’d think that at least one person or team would have gated to destiny long before it was out of range (within the few hundred or thousands of years after its initial launch) so something must have happened fairly early on that made them abandon Destiny all together.
So basically the seed ships began placing gates right from the start as there isn’t a feasible way of predicting when a team would be sent out to destiny or at what point they would need provisions from seeded planets, so might as well place as many as possible.
If you count the continuation comic as canon to the story, then there actually were Ancients in a sealed off section of Destiny all along. So they would have needed gates in Pegasus to gather resources.
@@Gatetraveller1 "You’d think that at least one person or team would have gated to destiny long before it was out of range (within the few hundred or thousands of years after its initial launch) so something must have happened fairly early on that made them abandon Destiny all together."
Maybe they did go, for a while, and then went home again. Different teams could have gone many times. While Destiny was still close enough for whatever power source they were using (might have been before they invented the ZPM, I don't know) they could have sent a team every thousand years or so. Check on the progress of decoding the signal, collect resources from planets and make repairs if needed, study a few galaxies as the ship passed through them, then gate home again while the ship recharges in a star.
Once the ship was getting too far away for them to reasonably power the gate any more, that's when they planned on using the pods. Set a timer to wake you up every couple thousand years and go to sleep.
I think the reason they stopped going was because they realized that ascension was an option and started focusing their efforts towards that instead. There was also the plague, which took their attention away from other things for a long time and eventually drove them to a new galaxy.
I hadn't known about the comics until now, but the summary on the SGCommand fandom wiki suggests that Destiny and the city-ships like Atlantis were two projects working toward the same goal. If we're considering that to be cannon, then maybe the reason they abandoned Destiny is because the city-ships proved more successful. However the timeline presented seems to conflict with other information so I don't know.
@@John73John the comics are a bit iffy when it comes to canon. For one they state that Destiny was built 1 million years ago, yet they also say it was a competing project with Atlantis (like you mentioned), which was already in the Pegasus galaxy millions of years prior to when they say Destiny was built. I also don’t like that they had Rush say “launched hundreds of thousands of years ago”. He’s guessing, but that info is presented like fact to the audience when even Rush should know that the oldest Milkyway gate is 50 million years old and destiny is clearly running off much older technology.
@@Gatetraveller1 Yeah Rush's statement bothered me a bit. I noticed there are 2 conflicting Stargate wikis. Fandom's SGCommand has a timeline that puts Destiny's launch between 50 and 30 million years ago, but the Gateworld wiki puts it only hundreds of thousands of years ago like Rush said. I guess the best explanation is "writers made a mistake" and just leave it at that.
Something occurred to me regarding if there were Destiny gates in Pegasus. If you put a newer Pegasus gate on a planet but leave the old one there, the new gate takes priority and all incoming wormholes go to it. However if that gate is destroyed, or moved by someone to a different planet, or buried by some natural disaster, then the wormhole will connect to the old gate. We've also seen ("Solitudes") that wormholes can jump from one gate to another under certain conditions. This is a problem if you accidentally emerge from the wrong gate and can't figure out how to dial home again, since the symbols and dialing system are so different. Also since the Lanteans weren't using the old gate it might be on a part of the planet that has becomes really dangerous that they weren't aware of. But it might be a much bigger problem if you're in a puddle jumper.
Destiny's gates are noticeably smaller than the later designs. I looked around for some dimensions and couldn't find any, but it's possible that a puddle jumper won't fit through a Destiny-style gate. If Atlantis accidentally connected to one (believing that the Pegasus-style gate was still active) then I'm afraid to think what might happen if the event horizon isn't big enough to rematerialize the jumper.
So, safety issues alone are a good reason to remove the old gates when you're placing the new ones. If they're deploying new gates by beaming them onto the planet from orbit, it would be pretty easy to scan for the old gate and beam it up at the same time. Maybe some parts could be re-used, and if nothing else they could melt them down for raw materials.
@@John73John someone else commented that they could have just sent out a Gate Update when seeding the Pegasus Gates, locking out the Destiny gates. I like that idea as it’s less hassle that having to round up the probably thousands of Destiny Gates. I doubt seed ships had any space onboard to melt down old versions of stargates + the older gates are not made of Naquadah which is a factor in there range capability. They would be too busy created and placing new ones, so a simple gate lock out protocol makes more sense. That would be an interesting story idea though, if say one of the older gates malfunctioned and accidentally let a wormhole connect.
Regarding puddle jumpers, that’s already a possible issue with normal stargates as you can bury quite a bit of the event horizon and still have a gate connection form. So say a civilisation put their stargate room floor higher up inside the gate, a puddle jumper wouldn’t be able to fit and who knows what would happen.
I always thought Milkyway and Pegasus were the only galaxy's with naquadah gates that we see in the show. Any galaxy beyond them are Destiny/seed ship gates. So Andromeda came to mind. One of the largest galaxies. I wonder if Andromeda is seeded with Destiny gates and I think if an earth ship had a gate on it they could find the addresses of those gates by tapping into the gates system which I'm sure has information. The blue aliens in Universe were able to use the gates and they didn't have DHD's or Destiny dialing remotes like Eli has.
This kind of makes me wonder if the Ancients chose moved to the Pegasus because of the presence of Destiny gates. Sure it was the closest and that was defiantly the main reason. But with gates already there it would have made it easier for them to speed out.
It would have made the job easier for seed ships, as if there was a Destiny Gate present the planet was most likely still habitable, though not always.
I'm thinking Andromeda was the Ori Galaxy, being the Milky Way's closest neighbour, which is why Destiny headed in the opposite direction through Pegasus and Ida.
I always assumed that was the reason they ended up going to Pegasus. Figure they simply dialed a destiny gate from the Milky Way and sent a scouting party.
It makes sense for older gates to be knocked over and new ones built on top. A lot of cities ground level has risen as new stuff is built on the remnants if older stuff. Or how you can find 150 year old telegraph insulators by walking along train tracks. They were just left where they were when new ones were installed.
May I ask where did you find that the Destiny pods are that advanced? It makes sense that they would be effective for long travels but there is no proof that the modern one can't do the same thing. Also we don't know much about the pods on Destiny, we've seen in only couple episodes and since Destiny is older technology it would make sense that the modern technology would be better in almost anything.
Also I would want to know where did you find anything about the "modern seed ships". It makes sense that there would some kind of ships to create a stargate network but at the same time nothing like this was mentioned in the show as far as I can remember but I could be wrong.
I know they are known to be arrogant, but from an engineering point of view it would make sense to put gates in Pegasus. It could be a test run in a spot they can actually get to. So if something would malfunction they could go to the planet by other means and see what went wrong. Plus they would be closer to repair facilities.
There’s two hypothesis I can imagine. The first is a simple no and that the Seeds ships were programmed to start seeding galaxies further out. The second is more fun and would posit that the corridors of gates we see in other SGU galaxies would exist. But, given how early the gates were placed and how much a planet could change over millions of years, any number of gates could be disabled by natural disasters or even alien life. And of course they could’ve been used for early exploration and then replaced by newer models over time. Again, seed ships only provide Destiny with corridor and not a whole galaxy. A future season of SGU wouldve been fun to show a Destiny gate in Pegasus for some reason. Like on an Icarus planet to try adapting it for a supply line and then seeing if a destiny gage could do the same from Destiny’s end.
Why would the Lanteans waste perfectly habitable planets by ignoring them and the Destiny gates? No, I think that they would have either seeded humans or colonized these worlds themselves. Either way, the limited range of the Destiny gates, which were only able to dial a handful of nearby Stargates, would have been replaced sometime during the early period of their inhabiting the Pegasus galaxy, as they were far too inconvenient when compared to even Milky Way model Stargates.
Also, Destiny and the seed ships far predate any sort of beaming technology, which was actually pioneered by the Asgard. The seed ships likely descended directly to the surface and lowered the new Stargate directly to the ground.
*not to be confused with the actual pegusis galaxy that orbits the larger andromeda galaxy as opposed to the milkyway as it does in the fictional TV show "stargate atlantis"
The Lantean tech from Pegasus, made after the Lanteans left Earth after the plague, is more advanced than Destiny. The Ancients launched destiny at the height of their power in the Milkyway, long before Atlantis was taken to Pegasus.
That's what I said. Both are different generations of ancients.
now hold on, the atlantis stasis pods were far more advanced than the destiny stasis pods, the destiny itself is extremely old and predates both alteran and atlantean technology, the only reason the atlantean stasis pods caused their occupants to age slowly was because of the limited amount of power atlantis itself had on reserve, its like trying to run a car on fumes.
Atlantian gates holds 100+ galactic stations.
I always figured when the Ancients got to Pegasus must have used Atlantis to gather current data from the Destiny gates. After that I thought they would have recycled the gates somehow into the Atlantian style of Stargate.
Never thought about that. Nice video. Thanks
Pegasus Dwarf is definitely not the closest galaxy to the Milky Way. Dozens of galaxies are closer. All of the Milky Way satellite galaxies are closer. The Pegasus Dwarf is a satellite to the Andromeda Galaxy, and even Adromeda itself is closer (2.5 Mly) than Pegasus (3 Mly). The closest galaxy to the Milky Way is the Canis Major Dwarf in a distance of 25 kly. Even the 4th largest galaxy of the Local Group, the Large Magellanic Cloud is only 163 kly away. All and all, 98 galaxies are closer to the Milky Way than the Pegasus Dwarf.
I’m referring to Gate Networks. Pegasus Galaxy = closest gate network. I had no idea there were that many galaxies ‘in-between’ the Milkyway and Andromeda, that’s quite cool.
The basis of SGU is essentially the Ancients wanting more astronomical data to discover evidence from a potential creator of the universe
Gathering data from 25,000 light years away is pointless when the universe is 70 billion to 28 trillion light years big.
@@Josh-oj9mmyeah. The seed ships Stargates were breadcrumbs for Destiny to follow and with thousands of millions of years passed, a lot of data would have been sent to Destiny, building a picture I'm guessing.
As far as I know the stargate gains it's chevrons after it's proper activation sequence (not the first dial up) after a prolonged period of time like a decade after planting on a planet and should in the tens of billions of years for a species or multiple encounter that gate it shapes into morphologically tangentially understandable constellation graphs to those species with the milky way being the eldest pattern, atlantis being closest to ancient script constellations and destiny's gates are deployed brand spanking new, sporting new designs based on artificially intelligent minimalism. But yeah technically speaking every star gate is a destiny or sister seed ship original.
Always thought the destiny Gates would even predate the Milky Way Gates, because the destiny Gates seem even less advanced.
if that were true wouldn't the atlantis gate have connected to the old destiny gate in the episode Inferno? instead the connexion just failed.
late comment, but i thing Pegasus most likely would have destiny gates down the path the ships traveled, but highly likely because we see no dhd at all with them that they can only be accessed by the control device on board destiny or the hand hold, so highly likely they cant connect to the wider gate network at all, also the fact they can only really dial a couple gates down the line because of a range issue. so highly likely ever the anchnets scooped them all up when they settled there or because they just wasnt connected to the main network let them just get burried over time
It's possible the seed ships only seeded a trail of solar systems down the path in Pegasus but not all habitable worlds then when Atlantis arrived in Pegasus they replaced those gates and seeded more worlds/solar systems with new gates that didn't have them prior. Also, I don't know if those worlds had life on them or the ancients terra formed them themselves. Some may have had alien life that was altered for introducing humanity. It seems most worlds had the same plant life from earth they probably brought with them. In a way many planets were like earths sisters sisters sister and so on.
Very interesting kind of weird that the destiny pods are better than Atlantis?
Maybe a faux-pas from the show runners… cause does not make much sense
It could be that the technology did exist at the time of Atlantis’s construction - but the extreme long term pods were not necessary.
Destiny had them installed so the crew could hop out, gate to planets for resources, then hop back in for a few million years at a time?
@@Gatetraveller1 The "not necessary" is not how tech works (mostly) , most of the time. The old tech is simply not available, production facilities and how-to are kind of gone.
Example: most phone are way to powerful for the daily need... why no iPhone 4 if I only need the phone feature.
@@ricardoabh3242 I get what you mean, but it isn’t an issue with power. Yes iPhone 4/14 are miles apart power wise - but they do the exact same things.
The pods on destiny are specifically for extreme stasis periods (hundreds of thousands/millions of years at a time) while Atlantis pods have no reason to store someone that long.
They are essentially sleep pods for people who may be injured or need a short amount of stasis during journeys.
Atlantis is where the Ancients started from, so unless they began on the rim of the galaxy, then sure they have some.
If the ship has perfected cryostasis pods, why even the need to gate over to it?
Seems rather strange to let one of your most advanced ships, with perfected cryostasis pods roam on autopilot...
I believe that the stasis pods we see in the show are spare ones. If you consider the continuation comic book to be canon, then there were Ancients onboard Destiny from its launch.
Gating to the ship would be an additional way onboard for further Ancients in case of further supplies/people needed before getting out of range of Earth.
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So where were those frozen Ancients when the humans gated onto the ship?
@@PerfectAlibi1 in the comics they were still in stasis. Eli discovered them while searching for a way to fix the remaining pod for himself when everyone else was asleep.
Another reason for having a gate onboard Destiny (apart from gathering resources) would be an evacuation plan. In a desperate situation, the Ancients could have dialled Earth before the ships destruction (or plunged Destiny into a star if it was out of range of connection to gain the necessary power like seen in the show)
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What did they say when they woke up?
@@PerfectAlibi1 When Destiny was being prepped for launch, a couple of engineers were doing final repairs onboard when the countdown timer suddenly went off and the ship left Earth orbit. They couldn’t use the gate due to its proximity to the Earth gate (presumably a Destiny type gate on Earths surface) and so they were instructed to enter Stasis and await the arrival of the away team. For whatever reason (perhaps the Ancients learned of ascension and abandoned the Destiny plan) the away team never gated aboard and the engineers were left asleep.
Millions of years later, Eli went looking for more Stasis Pods for a replacement part for his remaining broken one. He then found another set, but two Ancient engineers were already awake (probably due to Eli messing around with the Stasis systems) standing in front of three other Ancients still in stasis. When they seen Eli they shot him, knocking him unconscious.
I do recommend reading the comic as it’s quite good, but its canonicity is up for debate if a new show is released by Amazon.
If a destiny stargate was on a planet then thay would be trapped there till thay reactivate the gate because there would be no DHD
if there was destiny gates they were propably swapped out for the new Atlantis stargate due to destiny stargates short range
i think the destiny predates the Atlantis ships
destiny gate was the oldest gate version. like milkyway version it 2 spinning. only pegasus gate was alot newer and more advanced.. bc it used more of a digital spin and not the gate itself..
in term of oldest to newest.
Destiny gate 50+ mill years old
milkyway gate 30+mill years old
pegasus gate 15+ mill years old
and reason why Destiny gates was unable to dial bc there was no DHD. only the hand control found on destiny ship..
in theory from show and info they told destiny is 50+ mill years old and atlantis is prob around 20+/30+ mill years old
and since both milkyways gates and peagsus gates was powered by DHD. and DHD had a cold fusion reactor core inside to power gates up to 50 mill years before depleted
I never understood the destiny gatees.. they dont evcen have a dialing device except the handheld one.. The destiny pods also didnt make any sense, destiny is way wayy older than atlantis... yet its pods are more advanced ? No sense to me, they did this just to end the show quickly though
I think you could operate a Destiny gate if you have all the symbols mapped in a dialing computer program like the SGC use but also I'm pretty sure access to the gates network is possible. Eli plugged his remote into a damaged gate. I think if studied enough, Carter or somebody could create an adaptive cable to do the same and connect to the gate, finding out it's address and others in the vicinity.
Hmm not a bad idea.
Even Milky way has destiny gates
destiny gate was the oldest gate version. like milkyway version it 2 spinning. only pegasus gate was alot newer and more advanced.. bc it used more of a digital spin and not the gate itself..
in term of oldest to newest.
Destiny gate 50+ mill years old
milkyway gate 30+mill years old
pegasus gate 15+ mill years old
and reason why Destiny gates was unable to dial bc there was no DHD. only the hand control found on destiny ship..
Yes.
There’s two hypothesis I can imagine. The first is a simple no and that the Seeds ships were programmed to start seeding galaxies further out. The second is more fun and would posit that the corridors of gates we see in other SGU galaxies would exist. But, given how early the gates were placed and how much a planet could change over millions of years, any number of gates could be disabled by natural disasters or even alien life. And of course they could’ve been used for early exploration and then replaced by newer models over time. Again, seed ships only provide Destiny with corridor and not a whole galaxy. A future season of SGU wouldve been fun to show a Destiny gate in Pegasus for some reason. Like on an Icarus planet to try adapting it for a supply line and then seeing if a destiny gage could do the same from Destiny’s end.