Yes, I'm actually banned from r/Minecraft.
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2022
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i can imagine the stress this is causing you, and the reddit mods, at the same time hope it works out but gosh i cant even fathom of looking at that post and accusing someone of milking their partners death thats crazy.
It has been a VERY stressful few days. Things are slowly calming down - which may or may not be a good thing.
reddit mods are lame
@@PhoenixSC hope everything works out for you in the end ❤
Ye
please refrain from nuclear bomb
r/Minecraft: **bans Phoenix SC**
Phoenix SC: Oh well **moves to his own subreddit which is basically r/Minecraft 2**
I mean- he might
r/Minecraft but better in every way
Alright let's ban him ther- oh right he owns it
someone should make like a 2b2t style server and just see what happens as an experiment
u mean r/Minecraft_Better
The hilarity of them deleting a DEV LOG posted by a REAL DEV can't even be properly described.
Imagine trying to protect your hide so bad you accidently slap your own boss lol
I was wondering if they took it down for self-promotion as sliced lime does (excellent) videos summarizing the snapshot changes on his own channel.
Well they set an automoderator to far too strict and they don't answer to Mojang or Microsoft. So it's more like they accidentally set the door to lock out a representative from another company that their boss actually wanted to see.
@@Erkle64 are they using the word "minecraft" under license or what
@@WinterGamesYT Fair use and Mojang/Microsoft knowing that it would be immensely stupid to shut down free advertising. Unless it becomes toxic, which I guess it did. 🤔
they did a lil trolling
I've been banned on this subreddit for 7 years now. All because when I was a kid I made one minecraft animation and wanted to share it with the community and they said it's self promotion and banned me immediately.
I remember building something I had spent a couple days on, only for the same mod who wrote that apology to delete it as it was a "chain" post from another build I had made a few days ago.
Banning you because of self promotion is fucking weird. Do they think that linking/mentioning an account is a heinous crime when other subreddits encourage things like fan art to be credited?
@@burg_ah exactly, and the dumbest thing about all of it is that you can't post your own original creations because it counts as self promotion, but if somebody else would post it as something they found online, they probably wouldn't get banned. So basically you can't get karma for your own hard work, but somebody who is reposting it can even get to the top and "milk" karma out of your work.
@@K4animation If the mods were to read what you just said, I think their brain cells would spasm out due to overwhelming amounts of common sense and logic.
Also, I just checked out your channel and that pixel art dance animation is really clean
@@burg_ah lol thanks
@@burg_ah And even more weird to maintain the ban forever, as if you've committed a crime so bad that you deserve life time. Man this shit is fucked up.
When my cousin first started Minecraft a year ago he would post a "help question" on reddit cuz he was learning. The mods deleted everything he posted. Everything. He emailed them about it, and they said "look up your questions on Google, you're wasting the moderators time." Now he can't post on r/Minecraft. The moderators need moderators.
that honestly made me sadder than the actual topic at hand
“you’re wasting the moderators time” is such a funny statement considering their time wouldn’t be wasted if they just… didn’t delete everything
Ironically, google shows Reddit up when a similar question is asked a lot of the time...because helpful people ANSWER QUESTIONS, I don't get what's with Reddit and never simply answering questions
@@avery_is_here9054Reddit itself is okay, the mods are just- *gets banned for whatever Reddit mods feel like*
The fact that the mods considered that "karma milking" shows how disconnected they are from the outside world
they were just jealous becuase they have no bitches
They think everyone values karma the way they do
Not even that, how much of a waste of space, disappointment to your parents do you have to be to even say something like that
thats like pissing on someones grave without pissing on someones grave
So true
To be honest, some of the comments on that 'apology' are fucking hilarious. 'You've milked your own staff drama for enough karma at this point' is amazing
God that is the best response
@@ItPindit what kinda chickenshit family is losing their mind over a single swear my guy
@@ItPindit fuck no
@@ItPindit there had to be one, there's always one.
@@ItPindit idk I found it pretty fucking funny when I seen this comment.
Being banned from a subreddit is a badge of honor at this point
i always will treasure my female dating strategy ban
If karens/kevins are mad at you, then you're probably just doing something right and minding your business
if so, then allow me to introduce myself. I'm banned from r/art, because i commented "looks suspicious" on an image of an astronaut. either that or "Amogus"
@@RealEpikCartfrenYT that's awesome
So you're saying bullies and trolls who are banned should be glad of this badge?
No way it is mynameisperl
This dude literally removes all of my posts no matter what. I am not surprised at all
damn what the hell...
Makes sense
3rd reply to MogSwamp's 1 year old comment!?
“You’ve milked your super flat world for enough karma at this point”
I'm surprised to find out that person is still a mod in r/Minecraft a whole year after this happened. Guess the mods were apologizing for being caught, huh?
A reminder that this is not the first time they accused someone of milking death because of a memorial post. This is just the first time they got caught. They've offered no apology to anyone else this happened to.
Do you have proof of any other instances? This would be pretty damning proof that the mod team needs to be entirely replaced.
Aren't memorial posts against the rules anyways?
@@Smileyreal only if you like, spam a lot. This guy made 2 posts: One to ask for suggestions, the other to show the community their suggestions
@@LineOfThy No, memorial posts in general are against the subreddit rules
@@Smileyreal ok so that makes them wrong?
The biggest thing that proves they aren't sorry is that they at no point committed to removing the offending moderator. Even if they eventually do that, that is something that should have been done immediately and without hesitation.
FAX
It's a systemic issue. Not just with that sub but all of Reddit. The filtering system for who gets to be mod is purely activity + connections + interest. The three things most likely to make someone corrupt.
"We have investigated ourselves and found that we are not guilty"
@@janehrahan5116 its actually insane when you look into just HOW few mods control the majority of subs, this leads to shit like being banned/shadowbanned from other subs just because you pissed off one of the self fellating mods. combine this with the fact that the mods who actually have connections to big subs are WAY more likely to have this absolutely braindead karma mindset. There was this one mod I was keeping an eye on, who would manually delete posts to his sub, and the COPY PASTE IT HIMSELF. That loser had millions of worthless karma. I cant remember who it was RN maybe awkwardturtle? but they modded on multiple of the biggest (1m+) subs at the time.
there should be NO problem "karma farming" as long as its not by spamming or with the intent to sell the account. What the **** do they think the point of posting s*** on the internet is? If not to have other people give you attention, and to express/share something you care about.
But these noodle squeezers get so in the weeds with DA RULEZ they forget the vast majority of (non spam) posts are made by people who care about what they are sharing.
I got out of the reddit hole, I hardly post now, and really just use it to look stuff up. If I want an argument ill go on 4chan lmao way easier to ignore braindead stuff there when its gone in a few hours. My advice if you want to keep using reddit, is to get the www.reveddit.com/ extension, that way you are actually notified when a mod silently deletes your or others posts/comments. You can use it to check threads too could be fun to see the graveyard of comments on MC rn.
You will be shocked to see how much stuff is culled on old posts. Ive literally had mods manually go back and delete MONTH old comments after the fact. Just keep in mind, especially when browsing subs like MC, the stuff you see is whats left, not all the shit they have removed.
@@janehrahan5116 Plus if you know that if you farm karma for like a week you can usually ban just about any sub by lying about it to one of the trigger happy subs, you can basically blackmail them into letting you be a mod.
"We're dealing with this internally" has always been code for "we plan to do nothing, and act like we are"
Like a corrupt government saying they are investigating themselves and finding no signs of corruption
This happens because every subreddit, across all of Reddit, eventually employs a series of "Supermods" that moderate dozens of subs at once. These "Supermods" not only tend to have very strong inclinations to specific views, they often are decisions on the fly, often to the detriment of the subs in question. Many a sub has been killed by "Supermods" going on powertrips and basically making all subs into _their_ subs.
TheRealWormbo being one of them. In fact, he's suspected of being the one to make that milking karma comment.
Actually, Reddit itself often FORCES those supermods onto you, I'm friends with the owner of a fairly big sub and he told me about it, apparently reddit will threaten to delete your sub if you don't accept some of the moderator indications they send your way when your sub starts to reach a certain size.
how tf are these people making a living
Not to mention that many of those supermods are extremely homophobic, transphobic, and generally really bigoted.
No idea why any subreddit owner would let those people take over, considering how bad their reputation is.
God, i fucking hope the DRG subreddit isn't gonna get one of these wankers
They don't need "reforms" and "rule changes"
They need to get NEW people on the team who ACTUALLY CARE
So what you're saying is... they need reform
@@NickSmith-fe7lp reform is rule changes
What i could i think of that is we need a moderator team that actually has empathy, while also stick to the rules of the subreddit itself.
So what i could see in the problem itself is that the mods lacking some empathy thus thinking that the person who posted it milked his own girlfriend passed away from this world.
They need BOTH honestly, they need to change the rules and hire better mods
I'm fully convinced at this point that the mods are the problem here. No matter what their rules say, they've been making problematic decisions like this for years. The sub can't be fixed unless they're ousted.
Reddit mods are typically bad people? In other news, the sky is blue
@@JadeiteMcSwag fr. LMFAOOO
half of roblos mods in a shellnut
Yup, lots of controversies so far.
Almost all chronic reddit mods are like this. The problem is how reddit is run. Even when a new subreddit is created and the initial mods are good people who just want to have fun on the internet, some arbitrary reason will inevitably be found to threaten the take down of the subreddit unless they allow one of these sociopaths to “help” moderate it, and its all down hill from there.
1:18 I can't remember where I heard this, but when people are lying or making false apologies they usually don't refer to people/places/thing specifically
I appreciate the way your handling this in a calm way and your encouraging your audience to be calm aswell. I respect that.
Agreed!
Considering it's a ban from a subreddit there's really no reason to be angry. It's not like that actually matters
I agree, too bad whenever people say that, people dont listen.
Nah fuck em.
I hope things change, what they did to that poor grieving man was unacceptable.
That's reddit, things never change for the better, they just change for the worse
@@nagatonagato4704 someone is jealous of a guy with a dead gf congrats ya waste of space
@@nagatonagato4704 your so L you didn't even say his name 💀💀💀
personally, I can't help but feel some sympathy for the mod that said that. It's still inexcusable, but I can relate to it. You ever just say something so fucked up that everyone just turns and looks at you and goes "hold up that's not okay"? and then you think it over. and then you realize.
@@nagatonagato4704 nice troll
Yes, I agree that they wouldn’t have apologized if Phoenix hadn’t made it public.
They won't change either. It will never get better.
Yeah, probably.
Sometimes, rarely, things do change.
Not that it changes for long, I don't think. Or really changes at all.
But say that maybe something actually gets better and they surprisingly do the right thing.
@@janehrahan5116 That mentality is why things don't change.
@@thegamingraven1691 No, having that mentality and not doing anything after realizing that is what causes it.
@@thegamingraven1691 No, thinking they will get better is why things don't change. Push them out or move away, but staying and thinking "it'll get better" is the reason they are still in the place they are even after so much shit.
Your honor,
My client pleads “oopsie-daisy”
Reddit mod probably just was jealous that the OP actually had a girlfriend.
Technically reddit mods are real life fat guy that lives in their mom's basement
And no gf
💯 99% or Reddit mods are just losers who collect katanas and cuddle up with their anime girl body pillows every night lmao
since most of reddit are incels this could be true
@@Utonian21uhhh reading that makes me sick, and it’s probably true.
I wanna give that poor man a hug. I can't imagine being so cruel and disconnected from reality that I would DARE accuse someone of milking their partner's death for some stupid internet points
Not to mention doing so without thinking of the consequences as a whole like, why and how can someone do something so rude and unprofessional in an instant? Was it even thought out at all?
Anyways, thankfully, B_freeoni already posted the memorial post in r/PhoenixSC and had no problems there.
This your available didn’t!
There are definitely some who would try and milk personal tragedy for the sake of sympathy and the like, but this most definitely doesn't seem like the case. Just a well-meaning person who got caught up in legalistic rules-application.
and if you were trying to milk a death for internet points, why reddit karma?
@@quacklord8710 Yeah, the simple fact that he’s one of the few reddit users who’s ever been in a relationship indicates he isn’t so invested in it that he cares about karma in the least bit, let alone see it as so desirable that he’d “milk” a personal tragedy over it
Man, what a totally believable apology! I'm sure there wasn't a history of lying and abuse and Previous disregarded apologies that prove it's horseshit and they're just waiting for people to forget and move on, right?
You may be right, but words won't do a slightest shit about it, only actions will
@@deucedwayne His whole post was sarcasm. In reality, he means the apology was NOT believable.
@@specialopsdave r/woooosh, I DID understand this sarcasm, and I wrote the comment according to it
@@deucedwayne Your joke is terrible. Wanna hear a joke just as funny?
"The sky is blue".
Funny, right? A rational, reasonable statement just makes for the best jokes, right? /s
@@specialopsdave His comment wasn't even a joke. He just agreed with Ento. You know, sometimes it would be better if people knew how to mind their own business instead of acting like you just did. It's because of people like you that the internet is a terrible place. Now, i'm going back to do my stuff and mind my own business
“We will be handling this internally.”
Great! 0 transparency with the mod team is exactly what that sub needs!
Sounds like the police, “we’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing”
"I've examined the evidence, and me, myself, and I have decided I am innocent."
When they say “there is action being taken” they usually mean they’re not doing anything/making it worse.
I honestly feel so bad for that guy and I hope it gets better ❤
yeah...
sadge, also pheonix sc we should do a collab
Judging by his comments on reddit. This whole shit show does seem to have added some positivity to the situation. He is grateful for Phoenix and the sub. He made a post on the sub if you wanna go look at it.
Ik
@@youtubeSuckssNow to be honest, if you get sad about a random picture you posted got deleted on reddit, you're not ready for real world.
i do feel bad for that guy (one of my family member also passed away recently) but it's the internet you shouldn't feel bad just because random user doesn't understand what you're going through.
this is a perfect depiction of modern minecraft. theres so much crap going on externally, whether that be technoblades death, youtuber beef, the reddit mods, irl issues, that we all forget this is meant to be a simple game, they key point is "no one can tell you what you can and cant do", and with the modernization of this game thats been lost to history. we all need to just log on a server, or single player, or an smp, start fresh, beat the game, and remember what that quote really means.
couldn't have said it better
Technoblade isnt dead, he's just kicking God's arse in skywars
@@Exis247 jesus christ
I wouldn't say the game itself is in a good state either, the updates take too long to arrive and people get bored of them quickly, along with the fact the game gets super boring when you're alone
It's actually why I quit 4 years ago, and only just got back now. Since there's been so many new updates, it's been quite a blast playing single-player worlds and finding out all the new stuff that they added into the game. With the integration of multiplayer, content-creation, and money into the mix, the simplicity of having the freedom to quite literally do what you want, is gone.
There's so many things left to do in the game! Create datapacks, learn command blocks, learn redstone, learn mapping, texture-creation, back-end coding! And if you don't like the more technical side of the game, then there's building, pixel art, megabuilds, etc! Go have fun with the game, instead of having fun with _just_ the players of the game!
The first piece of reform they need to do is to get rid of the mod who said the single worst sentence I've seen all year. That person needs to disconnect and get some serious help if that's the first thing they think is happening with a memorial to a loved one.
it is honestly impressive and something i greatly respect, how phoenix speaks on this stuff, his vocabulary and composure are something a lot of people should strive towards
Only a Reddit moderator would be so out of touch that they would assume a man is using the death of his girlfriend to get useless internet points.
If someone close to me died then my first thought would definitely be something like "ooh time to tell everyone on some internet website that they died in order to get some fake internet points that serve absolutely no meaning whatsoever"
@@someguy82766 | Brendan instead wanted advice on what to do with the unfinished build, child.
@@RaceBandit to add on, because of the fact that Minecraft has so many creative decisions it’s like an art form and he wanted to make a memorial in game to her unfinished art, so he came to a community of ppl who often share and make are in this game to contemplate ideas for what would be the most respectful and beautiful memorial to her unfinished art in a game that they possibly bonded over for a long time so it would have sentimental value for him to respect something that she probably often spent time doing.
@@someguy82766 that seems to be the way the moderators think considering what they immediately wrongly assumed of him.
@@someguy82766 no, I refuse to take the bait
The fact they thought that a memorial post is done only for karma really shows that these mods themselves kare more about karma than memorials like this.
That mod feels like the kind of people who would show at a funeral in bright neon colors to "lighten the mood" because the dead person has had enough attention already
Honestly I think the sub could do with a nice clean sweep of all the mods. It's pretty clear by now the vast majority are either mean-spirited, incompetent, or both.
You can't sweep mods. They are all bad.
r/Minecraft2
Just delete the entire SubReddit.
@@janehrahan5116 yeah, from what I’ve seen anything that uses moderators to manage a site/chatting system always seem to have lots of problems and memes about the problems ex: Discord, Reddit, and Amino just to name the most well known.
The meme stereotypes based off of common problems from each website: the Discord mods banning anyone who makes mistakes being too strict with rules picking favorites and infantalising ppl, the Reddit mods feeling self righteous and sometimes are “incels”, and the Amino mods who are often pedos/zoos.
Mgegawsave
This has got to be one of the most unforgivable moments ever. This guy lost a loved one. They were taken away from them. Someone so dear to them and he was heartbroken. He tries to get support from other people and he gets told to "stop milking his girlfriend's death." How cruel can you be to actually say this to someone? And the fact that they also try to apologize for saying something so cruel is just unbelievable.
The only thing that mod has ever loved is a bag of cheetos
Don't forget his 12 year old discord kitten.
"if you have to say sorry maybe you shouldnt have done it in the firstplace" -dead mom from fictional universe
bro at this point all r/Minecraft mods have been infected by SCP-2611-1, turning into literal discord mods
How retarted do you have to be to think this guy isn't milking karma? He shows no evidence his girlfriend actually died. You're too gullible.
Tbh i've had plenty of experiences and observations regarding mods.
It's good to note that mods aren't some singular entity but a group (so when one mod says something insensitive and problematic, you can imagine how others might feel) so it kinda depends on how they handle this internally which, yeah that's something we might not have a clear lens into.
i feel so bad for the guy who’s girlfriend died he’s constantly being reminded of her passing, i wish him well and i hope him and the family of her are healing ❤
Sometimes change can only happen when voices have been suitably heard and appeasing them becomes the easiest outcome to deal with.
aka. time for an ultimatum
change the rules/mods
or lose at least 50% of your members
@@Voidmoth1 you cannot organize a massive exodus no matter the issue, it's impossible, especially with their wide demographic
Continuous and work-impairing harassment is much more effective when systemic change from a group with authority is required
@@Invizive exodus like that was organized on r/animemes after stupid rule changes and thats why something like r/goodanimemes exists. So yeah, its possible
@@gukutto it wasn't organized, it was a conclusion of rules and changes in posts seen after that
Besides, it didn't have 7 mil people of all age groups and backgrounds there, much less diverse and more united in communication
Not on reddit
i honestly feel bad for the dude, his name is all over Minecraft reddits and has been unfairly treated.
no i think its funny and i support the mods!
@@nagatonagato4704 you’re too funny
@@nagatonagato4704 this is the most obvious bait ever
@@nagatonagato4704 Trolling denied
@@nagatonagato4704the sad part is that we all know you died inside while typing that
I know that man's pain. I hope he gets the support he needs. I unfortunately can't give him any as i have no contact.
I know it’s not important for me to say this but I’m normally pretty emotionally unavailable. I see and hear things that don’t affect me. But when I saw the user’s post and their memorial follow up I teared up. It was a beautiful way to honor their loved ones. I put myself in the position of them placing that last block and stepping back to view the finished product and felt just overwhelmingly emotional.
Sounds like a repressed coping mechanism, not true lack of emotions/empathy, you seem more compassionate than you know
@@wolfkermek real
@@wolfkermekProbably. I've developed something similar for myself (mainly for negative emotions only [anger, stress, etc]). It works and I've gotten most of the quirks worked out, but yeah, there are very few people that can completely be devoid of emotion.
Poor phoenix, he’s no longer on the worst Minecraft Reddit page ( not sarcasm)
did you even watch the video?
Somehow r/minecraft is now more cursed than r/pheonixsc
He hasn't been ever.. X} he's just minecraft cringe.. X} (BTW, I love that kind of stuff)
rather have cringe, than ... ya know .... stuffy controlling victim stack bitches that those over r/minecraft
You mean lucky?
do you know what sarcasm is 😭
After what he had to go through, I completely understand if he never accepts their apology. In his position, it would take me some time to even consider it.
I actually had a post that had about 10k upvotes and I have never had a post that was very big and it was removed for no reason. There was no comment stating why it was removed and I never received a response when I tried to dispute it. The subreddit is so toxic
Literally 1984
Rip, they are in full damage control mode at this point.
The only way they can fully stop anything related to the incident from being posted, is to close subreddit entirely, at least for the time being
@Federal Bureau Of Investigation ... Huh?
@Federal Bureau Of Investigation noooo
@Federal Bureau Of Investigation r/confidentlyincorrect
@Federal Bureau Of Investigation *yuore
Their main issue is that whole "confidential until launch" thing. Moderation should not be a black box.
Moderation should always have been a transparent process. It makes mods more careful about not being shady, it allows users to clearly know what's acceptable and not, and shifts dicipline from what is effectively an oligarchic council to a public forum
Some of the most well-behaved communities I'm in keep a public log of their strikes and bans, creating an easy and effective connection between user and admins, making both more accountable.
I’m a mod in a large (350k) discord server. We have a private channel called #moderation-evidence, and the first day I joined I was told about 7 times to REMEMBER to file evidence. Moderator who took action, who the action was against, the time, the date, and screenshots, videos or logs proving this. Taking any action with no evidence is a capital offence basically lol. And if users wish to know why they were muted/banned, we show them the log. I’m not really one to abuse my power, but I know some tried, and got instantly shut down with this system.
Also, I wanted to say that I hate how these idiots of the MC subreddit, and other communities, are making it look like all mods are heartless trash. There are definitely a lot good mods, it’s just that you don’t hear about them, because being good doesn’t make stories. I just want to help people and keep my community as Toxic-free and enjoyable as possible.
@@alespic Thanks for your hard work kind stranger...
That’s like suggesting the government owes us transparency.
@@tntrose7285 idk man does reddit mods somehow have millions of lives on their hands that would absolutely get fucked and possibly killed with transparency? I don't think so. Shit analogy
To get past Reddit's perma ban download a VPN on your phone then make a new account (log out of your perma banned account) make sure your VPN is on when using Reddit on your new account or you will get perma banned again your welcome. Well beat this censorship
"refrain from harassing the moderators" its literally the only thing they deserve
harassing someone is never ok lmao
@@someonewhocantmakeuptheirm2671 and being an absolutely terrible moderator is ok?
@@snepping1885 no, but it doesn't suddenly make harassment okay. go on and call them out, let everyone know of their misdeeds, but harass them and you're only making things worse. don't give them a reason to make anyone else the bad guy.
@@callmecharlie4250 Such a stupid philosophy. This is why the world we live in only gets worse.
@@martyr_lightsilver1833 my philosophy is to hold people accountable but not take it too far.
harassment likely won't achieve anything accept make them feel and act like the victims. and technically if they are actually being harassed then they are victims of harassment and they can use that as ammo and cover. harassment for bad moderation is what's pointlessly stupid and will only make things worse.
The power of an internet forum mod easily gets to their heads. Shit like this happened to me once where forum mods made false assumptions while i pointed out i was doing wasnt against the rules. Case & point, if you're not careful, mods will find a way to twist your actions to make themselves look better instead of actually moderating a forum.
In this example, they twisted your post to make you look like a monster for using your dead gf even though that was not your intention.
also PhoenixSC is a legend for showing us this type of stuff, actually makes the mods do something
yeah but its a bad thing that the mods only did something AFTER phoenix posted about that, he said that in the video
He's brave. Let's build a statue of him and put his face on money
They should name the moderator that was allowed to say that about a user so they’re not allowed near a position of parasocial power for a very long time.
I understand why you'd say that, but if they did, he'd get so fucking harassed, and despite what he did, that's not okay. So it makes sense for him to remain anonymous for the time being. He should certainly either step-down or be removed from the mod team permanently, I would agree with that. And he should also apologize to Brandon directly for his abhorrently insensitive comments. At that point, if Brandon exposes his name, that's on him, but otherwise, there's no need. It's unnecessary.
@@theblackwidower nah you gotta face that shit. They said that sort of thing and have to stand by it.
we can probably deduce who it is tbh, looking through the mod list a lot of them have been inactive for a long time
@@ShamanicEnzan And be subject to mob justice?
@@theblackwidower actions have consequences. They shouldn’t be able to hide behind anonymity.
Karma milking is a real issue on Reddit, but it's usually bots reposting old content in order to sell the accounts to advertisers. How the mods are handling this situation is completely and utterly unacceptable.
what even is the point of reddit karma?
@@yipperson2974 It's an equivalent to getting a lot of likes on other social media. The difference is, Reddit tallies all of your general post and comment karma, and applies it to your actual account. Accounts with high karma can actually be sold for real money secondhand, because advertisers will use high-value accounts to subtly advertise products.
@@yipperson2974Every time someone likes a post or comment you made, you get a bit of karma. It’s a rough measure of activity for an account that’s separate from simple time since creation.
If I make ten bot accounts and have them sit dormant for a year before activating them, it would take any decent mod 10 seconds to realize the year old account with single-digit karma is fishy.
That’s why botters use programs that skim very old, popular posts and repost them wholesale. The hope is that no one will realize it’s near-identical to one from 3 years prior.
Just stop using reddit, everyone
I hope this situation gets better, but I wish whoever of the mods said they “milked it for karma”’s charger breaks up to the point that it still works, but only at certain a n g l e s
Hmmm... I see your wish went back in time and affected me instead.
Hmm sounds like my charger
@@stellarx20 Ahh, so this is the nexus point in the timelines where this issue came from.
I had a charger break to the point where it would work at certain angles when you started using it but slowly disconnect more and more so it would stop working once you started charging it, but when you start charging it works fine.
I hope their headphones do that too and that their car takes like 20 tries to start and that their room is always at an uncomfortable temperature and that their wall outlets are too loose.
All because of one moderator. But it's needed. Considering the controversy over the years in that sub-Reddit, a change is needed, but maybe a change of mindset too. This was bound to happen and thanks to big channels like you who pointed out the issue, it'll hopefully get that change. For better or for worst.
One moderator because it only takes one moderator. No way of knowing how many other moderators would have done the same thing.
If it were one moderator, that moderator would have been asked to step down. This is systemic.
Universal. It's not just one sub. It's the majority, if not all, of Reddit.
I will find that mod, and i will feed him so many eggs that he becomes a balloon and flies away into the vacuum of space.
It's hard to tell
Even if majority of the team genuinely cares, just one or two bad moderators can make the entire group look bad.
That's disgusting, I think the mods need to clean up their act or get changed. People like that shouldn't be in power.
This is exactly the reason I'm not using reddit anymore. That, and the fact that they've screwed up that API protest really hard
They absolutely deserve everything they're getting.
Harassment bad.
@@marcuswestphal4955 It may looks like a harassment. And I'm sure it feel like it. But it isn't. It's thousands of individuals saying their piece.
@@marcuswestphal4955 it’s just a bit of trolling 😈
@@7hunnedbands trolling emplies playing jokes. If so, that's fine. Good even!
Just don't send people death threats or scream obscenities and there will be no problems.
@@poppy3318 if your 'piece' doesn't involve any of the following there will be no problems: Death threats, screamed obscenities, or doxxing.
If it doesn't involve those things, then it's fine.
Otherwise it will be a problem for everyone involved.
I stopped using reddit a long time ago. Although there's a lot of good on that site and I've personally seen many cool creations and good things happen, the bad actors in the community ultimately ruined the experience for me, and watching a situation like this unfold is what keeps me from coming back.
I genuinely feel so bad for B_freeoni and I hope wherever he is right now that thinks are going ok. If you ever read this or are someone in a similar situation reading this, I feel for you. Keep doing you.
I'm from Russia, so i never used Reddit, Twitter and Instagram in my entire life ( just cuz we have better alternatives ). Life is great, my dudes
No offense DLP but although user generated content on the alternatives you use may be great, I suspect those platforms to be full of governement propaganda
I have been utterly astounded at the level of degeneracy I have witnessed on that website. Yes it's not all bad, but there are communities on there that perfectly represent that part of the internet that makes you need eye bleach after seeing.
@@samsibbens8164 no offense, but the fact you said this proves that propaganda is everywhere (our is, btw, is proved being quite silly). You can't trust anyone now, so people just do their own research and make their own conclusion. So yeah, it's no need to paint Russia as the big evil here, because informational wars are, apparently, a thing.
@@dlp6567 I said I suspect, I didn't say it's proved. All im saying is be careful
I felt pretty bad on that, but i believe you can do it pheonix!
The mods of R/Minecraft embody what we in the business call "fatherless behavior."
I'm glad that you brought the issue the attention it deserves. But did they even remove the mod that caused this in the first place? That's making me iffy on if they'll actually change or not. I feel bad for what that poor guy had to go though in the first place, much less having a moderator say that to him.
Good news is, B_freeoni found r/PhoenixSC to put his memorial post in after that fiasco. As for the mod in question, we’ll just have to wait until everything clears up.
@@dfquartzidn6151 I'm glad that he has a place to put his memorial up, that's great news! And yeah, we'll have to see.
Considering that other similar posts have garnered the same mod response, I doubt this mod is being kicked out.
Either one mod is being an ass, and has been for a long time, therefore not being kicked out (since he would've been kicked out by now). Or it's multiple mods acting like this, meaning the enitre moderation team needs to be replaced.
@@jadecoolness101 Have they ever before suggested a user was milking the death of a loved one for meaningless internet points? Because I don't think they did. I don't care about the posts getting deleted, that doesn't matter. It's the insensitive and abhorrent comments made by someone who's supposed to be a community leader that's the problem.
@@theblackwidower based on what I've seen, the other posts like this have gotten similarly heartless and cruel responses. I haven't personally seen "stop milking the death for karma" specifically, but the general vibe of "stop attention seeking" has been there in a LOT of these cases
Niarra and Brendan deserves so much better and the audacity for the r/Minecraft mods to only apologize after a popular youtubers such as Phoenix makes a video about it says how not sorry they are.
Edit: A woman is dead. And the mods insulted someone in grief. This reply section is NOT for arguing about anime. I’m genuinely disappointed with how off the rails this went.
Edit 2: Just before it does happen, I don’t need more outrage so yes I know ATLA is not an anime but if anyone brings that up you completely missed my point.
They're trying to save face, which is about as successful as Zuko splashing water on his scars and hoping it magically heals itself. Their face is permanently damaged
@@BeepBoopBee atleast Zuko its more lovable than the reddit mods
@@BeepBoopBee Don't use Zuko as an example. Even in the early episodes he doesn't deserve to be compared to a Reddit mod.
@@BeepBoopBee bruh why do you hate zuko? he got his scars for arguing in favor of the humanity of soldiers that the firelord was sending on a suicide mission.
@@molybdenum20 i like Zuko as a character. I just picked him cuz it's a character with very big and noticable scars, he's a very well known character, his scars stay with him for the rest of his life and i couldn't think of anything better
I just watched this at 10:17 PM and now I feel really bad ice ignored your videos. Hope you get unbanned soon, dude
Honestly accusing of karma farming is kind of insensitive but they could have completely ignored this and could have said something like “i am so so sorry for your loss i hope you and her family members can get thru this. But unfortunately posting any form of memorials on this subreddit is a rule violation so i will remove this post soon. Again i am so sorry to hear about your loss i hope you’re all well and god bless”
not saying like “stop karma farming your gf’s death and its also a violation of rule 12”
Finally, a youtuber with a huge following who goes after a group and the youtuber legitimately wants them to chill.
Yes
I looked at the subreddit after seeing the previous video before they made the edit to add the name. Everyone in the replies were furious and calling them out for essentially side-stepping what happened by not directly apologizing to him by name. I guess the pressure had an effect.
Something that I noticed here is that, not only do these mods, maybe admins, and owners seem like they don’t care enough at first is that, this is probably the first time they’ve actually had to apologize publicly which is why they made mistakes.
Props to you getting the issue noticed, handling it professionally, and addressing your viewers to make sure they don't act on your behalf inappropriately. Hopefully it gets worked out soon as whoever that mod is needs sensitivity training at the least and maybe some time away from being a moderator to get their own issues worked out as no one says something as disgusting as that without having their own unresolved personal issues.
You're one of my favorite MC youtubers because of the short little experimental videos.
You Phoenix, have earned my subscription. Like, I'd been thinking about it for a while, but this finally tipped me in your favor. You call out the garbage but also encourage your community not to just pour gasoline on the fire, something I don't think enough content creators do.
I’m pretty sure every single content creator I’ve seen that covers any kind of drama always leaves a disclaimer to not harass the people mentioned, it’s not as rare as you think
@@snewp_e2139 Tbf many creators only mention it in passing.
Don't death threat, but keep the pressure up. Absolutely continue to brigade and pressure them to change or nothing will change.
Brigade your mom
Fr let them know how garbage they are.
Do death threat lmao
Agreed.
That's just... Toxic, extremely toxic. Hope things get better soon
"to show the community we really want to help."
"all confidential until its actually launched"
no, this shows nothing has changed. you want mc reddit to change? start with some transparency. you cant get good, working feedback about what you're considering changing without transparency.
This is why I prefer interacting with the community through youtube comments sections and on select creator's or dev's twitter accounts instead of entering the general community patforms. The minecraft community is just so widespread that you can't predict what kind of people are in or even manage these communities. All communities have bad eggs in them, made even more obvious when a community is so large such as that in minecraft and we really need to have more mature people behind those groups. So instead I prefer interacting with sub-communities where I know the people are far more palatable.
Well it is reddit. They're known for their edgy jokes, man just chose the wrong platform to be on. Not readying up for the killing blow on reddit is a mistake
It's a warm and cozy winter dumpster fire if you can handle the edgy reddit punches.
@@jamestedjo3736 As much as I'd like the agree to the sentiment of "well that's just the culture there" it's still an admin who did this, a person who is expected to be the most mature in the room and set things straight for everyone else. And it's not just a reddit community either but also it's tangentially a minecraft community too, a community of all age groups, yeah in reddit anyone can take the helm as admin but there should be some discussion by those in charge of that subreddit that they have to be mature enough to take the responsibility of ethically handling this large of a community.
how people deal with grief in general is terrible. I've learned not to talk about it at all online to avoid accusations like that. if you're dealing with grief, I am very sorry. I'm right there with you.
pov every youtubers apology: BIG WORDS AND REPEATING "SORRY"
Phoenix, Dream would literally be more likely to actually have not cheated and simply got extremely lucky than those Reddit mods ever changing
💀💀💀
Fuck Dream, he doesn't pay his artists.
@@CSSLZT13 for real ??
I don’t have much hope for the mod team left, but lets wait and see how they do after their rework
It's reddit mods. They will always be a disgusting combination of Stalin's nkvd, child molesters, the SS and lizard people.
What rework? The rules were never the problem. You shouldn't have hope. Pressure them to be better, leave the subreddit or get used to this kind of bullshit, because they won't change out of the goodness of their heart if they weren't willing to kick the piece of shit that made the original post.
@@ekki1993 the rules were part of the problem. They follow them to strictly. Yes the main problem is because some of them are heartless people but if they start with changing the rules up a bit so they’re not too strict. Then who knows what might happen from there on out. Could be bad but could be good.
@@liamdutchstackr4828 Following a rule too strictly isn't a problem in the rules. It's a problem in the mods. And while changing the rules could be a step in the right direction, right now it's like trying to fix your stove while your house is burning.
@@ekki1993 rules, mods, it’s the same thing (in certain ways). Rules are made by the mods and I stated before that ‘they’ follow them to strictly. And the fire comparison is not that accurate since a fire spreads over the whole house while the mods don’t spread over the people. We just need to hope for the best. The bad mods getting fired. An actual sincere apology. And so much more
I think its already a very bad thing that they say all these revisions are not allowed to be shared until final. That's NOT how you work together with a community
The mods fell into the "apology trap". Writing an apology only publicizes it further, and chances are that nobody will think your apology is legitimate. Bending over to popular requests may sound good, but people now know that you easily respond to criticism. Not only that, they didn't even remove the moderator responsible; that's easy ammo for people who are criticizing you to use. The correct course of action would have been not making an apology, and also removing the moderator in charge. It would have blown over.
This, my friends, is how you don't get hated
if i got a penny for everytime i have seen the mods of a subreddit doing something stupid and making people angry
i'd have two pennies, but its weird that i have only seen it happen twice
i feel like there can be exceptions to the 'spam' thingy when ur literally posting about ur late loved one u cant just tell them to shut up about it when theyre likely already heartbroken, but again im sorry that u might fully get banned over this thing that ur perfectly in the right over :((
If they do not wish a positive outcome on the Minecraft community, then we do not wish a positive outcome to them, simple as that.
And from everything they've done so far, they do not wish a positive outcome for the Minecraft community. Instead, they only wish a positive outcome to their authority, and nothing else.
They are not sorry for Brendan, and they are not sorry for his girlfriend.
in this whole chaos and mess i just want to do two things:
-Say that i feel bad for that guy
-Ask you Phoenix, how is the covid situation going? Are you ok now?
I wish you all a passable week
he is on day 19 of covid. he is now an universe
@@lubiezolwie "I survived 100 days with covid-19"
@@lubiezolwie but still can't taste anything
I forgot he had Covid. Is he still sick?
That one mod when they attend a funeral be like:
"..."
"..."
"K, you milked it enough, just drop them into the hole."
Someone replied to the post saying
"1: Reported under Rule 12.
2: No Chain-posting off of drama that your own staff created.
3: You've milked your own staff ignorance for enough karma at this point."
Good. I'm glad the community is standing up to the moderators.
Although, the mods will probably be hypocrites about it, and say their post doesn't count as rule breaking.
@@TheAres1999 they're prolly going to stay silent abt it untill it blows over like the chat reports
we should make a memorial for this guy and his girlfriend
Yea
In Minecraft or real life ?
@@eglol the 😍
@@eglol both
aaand you're banned from the subreddit now, congratulations!
Hope the person who made that response loses their place in that subreddit and that no one else allows them in another one.
Also the fact they only did anything after some big youtuber talked about it shows how much they care. But also please don't go mess with any of them, we don't need shitty consequences to actually nice people
I dunno... why would upload such a personal thing to the internet other than to have people upvote your post.
I'll add him to the list of automatically banned people for my subreddit.
@@timewarpdrive77 literally any post wtf
@@timewarpdrive77 | The first thing Brendan wanted was advice on what to do with the unfinished build, not likes/karma/whatever.
@@timewarpdrive77 Why post about needing help with something as trivial as building? They aren’t there to get karma, they are there for advice, just like what you need.
my man already died on 2 universes and still lives saving others
And this is why the phrase
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Should be taken seriously.
The subreddit needs a refresh on the moderators in general. A new set of staff (save the ones that actually value moderation over karma).
Now that everyone keeps mentioning it, I guess this is when the word karma really hits. That mod’s been deluded to thinking that Reddit karma points meant so much to everyone that they got hit by the actual concept of karma itself.
this was a wreck for all involved. if you lost a loved one and made a sweet, genuine post for a memorial through a game that has connected so many, seeing someone, or multipule someones, accusing you of milking it, taking the post down, and even banning someone who is trying to help!? I hope this clears up and good wishes to everyone there.
Phoenix was banned from it a long time before the mentioned events took place. If that's who you were referring to then that wasn't the reason.
@@ForgedinPrint I was not referring to that just the situation as a whole, i may not have explained it the best way though.
The minecraft subreddit shall be remebered forever as a case study of "How disconnected you can become to other people while being in direct contract with them constantly"
tbh, i think pheonix could be a pretty good mod for r/minecraft, he's pretty involved in minecraft news and seems like he would actually know what to do in situations like this
the fact that this is probably the 'official' subreddit, or at least the /r/url of being an official subreddit that most people will think of as the official subreddit, with this kind of moderation is absolutely wild. microsoft is a bajillion dollar corporation & this kind of stuff is a giant liability for them lmao.
I feel like you, Phoenix, hold a whole lot of power in the Minecraft community. I respect you a lot for making sure everyone knows you aren't trying to go to war against the r/Minecraft subreddit. I knew you weren't, but it's the Internet where people will interpret what they will. No anger/criticism towards anyone who thought otherwise originally, everyone's brains just work and think differently; that's why this clarification is so important.
2:15 maybe that will actually convince them to clean up and be better
“Am I out of touch?”
“No it’s the users who are wrong”
So the issue seems to be, the staff have had these sorts of issues for years, nothing has been done, and their solution is saying that its being fixed internally when clearly the entire system is rotten to its core
For me until there’s some actual change along side an apology, I’m just gonna treat that subreddit like it doesn’t exist. Also, in my personal opinion if it hasn’t happened already, whoever was involved with sending that disgusting response (not the apology) should be removed from the mod team immediately and permanently. But I also hope no one harasses anyone involved, that will only make things worse. If you truly care you will give your support, speak out if you want to, and that’s it. I just hope change actually happens. Even though I’m not an active part of that subreddit. Minecraft is still my favorite game of all time.
I would consider removing them too. A moderator talking to someone shouldn't be cold, unless the situation warrants it like a user disregarding the well-being of other users, and even then, something like *that* should *never* be said by a moderator in any situation.
The user in question was not endangering the well-being of other users, and yet the moderator went with an emotionally and mentally manipulative response. That kind of response could turn the user off trusting any moderators from now on
Why shouldn’t people “harass” them when they harassed that innocent guy for no reason. People should let them know about themselves. Not saying anything is the only thing that will make it worse because these douche bags will think they got away with it. They aren’t gonna fix anything or make any changes because they don’t care. Let them know they’re trash.
I am so sorry about all of this
Im glad you took the time to make sure that people dont harass on your behalf, if they still chose to, it would be their call at this point, but youve called for reform and not rioting.