I DIDN’T Migrate my Minecraft Account - Here’s What Happened
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- What happens if you don't migrate your Minecraft account? The goal of this video is to document exactly what happens if you don't. Maybe I could get it back?
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Got the game as a kid in 2011. Stopped playing for many years, decided to get back into it only to realize my childhood account had been deleted..
This basically happened to me, only i had sold the laptop i had been playing on because my ex never let me play. I only found out about the migration because i was still getting emails from mojang.
yahoo deleted my email account a long time ago and so my minecraft account went down with it. funny enough i couldnt use my old username for my new account so it must still be listed at mojang/microsoft somewhere
@@FeZerretsame here but not for minecraft, many other accounts tho are lost because of the mfs at yahoo
@@FeZerretsame here yahoo deleted my email too, started playing Minecraft in beta and was never able to recover my account where I had ranks and tons of progress on all sorts of servers, hundreds of dollars gone
Same here, lost everything
Entirely non justifiable to have such a short cut off period - thanks for trying to escalate this to the highest level. I also lost an account during this, and it's wild because Microsoft must have a record of how many tens of thousands of copies they've cut off and yet still are doubling down on this.
3 years is more than enough. not keeping up is your own problem
@@nevan2201 did you even watch the video
Agree
Hi beautiful man.
Corporate Minecraft sux.
I want my indie Minecraft back.
@@nevan2201 as said in the video life can get in the way, or you're not interested in minecraft, or you weren't informed of it.
Some players reported being unable to migrate due to technical errors. For them, this process was literal robbery.
I couldn't even log in to my account for some reason and couldn't change my password
@@eric11 It is extremely annoying and difficult to do that sometimes. They hardly help you at all unless you make them, and even then it takes days. I know from experience lol. I agree this was total robbery for many people.
Womp womp
I did not get the option to migrate my account until two months before the September 19th cutoff. If I had not been following it up almost obsessively I would have missed it.
@@TheCookiQueen There are even occurrences of customers who had accounts hacked trying to get them recovered well before the migration even began, and due to Mojang shuttering its account support services those customers were basically left in limbo unable to recover their accounts. This is not the fault of the customer's inaction, but the unreliable and difficult non-responsive nature of Mojang and Microsoft customer support. It is this way by design. Microsoft's standard operating procedure is to close Microsoft accounts that are suspected to have been hacked, but in the process of doing so they also permanently disable the linked content such as the Mojang account associated with it, which is really an absurd prospect because the customer contract is with Mojang and Mojang has a responsibility to provide you what you paid for and only ban your account for valid reasons as per Mojang EULA, so Microsoft policies should have absolutely no bearing on any accounts that were not yet migrated.
I like how in previous EULA was mentioned that once you buy Minecraft, you will never lose it and nothing will take it from you
And now not only the migration thing happened but also I've read something about Minecraft accounts getting deleted after 2 year of inactivity
Correct, Microsoft account policy permits Microsoft to delete accounts that are not active after 2 years. This does not invalidate your contract with Mojang, but it does create an incidental breach of contract by Mojang. And since Mojang and Microsoft are like the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, they feign ignorance, tell you to talk to the other corporate entity, and do their best to claim nothing can be done while trying to grind you into submission and defeat.
All customers were cheated because nobody had an expectation of losing their accounts prior to this action. Setting aside the fact that there are legal arguments against what Mojang did, just think of how much of a scumbag you have to be to treat your customers this way, taking their money and leaving them with a big F U.
FYI, Contracts before May 24, 2011 can't be revised by Mojang. Those are awesome contracts if you have one. That said even if you have one after this point in time, what Mojang did was not lawful IMO.
if that so, then i would love to see a civil suit against Microsoft, this is completely illegal, even if they updated their EULA, old users have no obligation to accept the new EULA
@@emad3241 The first million customers (before May 24, 2011) are under a contract/EULA that has no revision clause. Mojang can't change the terms on these customers. When Mojang posts language on their website or in the launcher saying continued use means you consent to the EULA which they link, this is bait and switch fraud because those customers were already promised access to this content. In addition to that, they were also granted future versions of the game. In essence, the contract with early adopters transcends the individual user account. Mojang is still contractually bound to provide what they promised and cannot enforce or invent new terms on these customers.
Customers after this date are subject to revision, however Mojang did not establish the contractual authority to mass terminate accounts when they started the migration. Mojang didn't have the legal language present for customers to anticipate that they would lose their accounts. Based on these facts, it is not contractually permitted to set arbitrary deadlines and close off migration or access to these customers unless you first present it as an EULA, and as such EULA's currently have no terms such as deadlines to respond to the legal offer.
While it can be debated whether Mojang can outsource their account management system under the original customer EULA classes, what Mojang can't do is force you to enter into a third party contract. Because Mojang posted on Twitter saying at one point that migration was mandatory, they created the conditions for a lawsuit based on threatening to take away contractual services under duress with the intent of coercing customers to enter a third party contract. Original customers are not obligated to do this, which means Mojang has to legally find another way to be in compliance. Taking away authentication services is a breach.
They should be sued for this. It even smells of a trust violation with how they force people in to their software semi-monopoly
previous EULA still applies if the last time they played it was when the old EULA applied. if you played it after the EULA change and you were given the EULA then the new one would apply even if you didn't accept it. (You just wouldn't be allowed to play it at that point.)
Dinnerbone was forced to stand right side up. That should've been our first warning.
Ha nice catch
Wait what? The name tag trick for mobs no longer works? If that’s the case I’m gonna be MAD
@@TheSuperJepphyKillerI think it’s just the player Dinnerbone. Not the name tag thing
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@@sumvaldebrevis
No, not the player- Dinnerbone in the advertisement / announcement for migrating accounts
I was in touch with Microsoft on and off for months when they announced the whole migration ordeal. I bought Minecraft in 2009 and used some school email address that has since been completely lost. I was a child when I bought the game and used a pre-paid Visa card (at least I think I did, I did not have a debit card at the time and my parents have not found any transaction with their bank leading to the purchase of my Minecraft copy). Even though I exchanged over 30 email with Microsoft their answer was simply "sorry can't help you" resulting in my main, and only, Minecraft account being completely lost.
The most insulting part is that I reached out almost right away when I heard about having to migrate accounts and had months of emailing back and forth, yet no help was provided whatsoever, and eventually the day came when I could no longer migrate my account.
It's almost as if they don't care and want you to buy the game again... nah big corporations would never
it happent to me too rip :(
Same. Lost my fav account I had back in school, so I haven't bought a new one
same happened to me now i play on tlauncher
I had the same problem. I started in 2009. I bought it in 2010. In this time I never got an email. I think I made a typo in my email or used a school email.
I did have the pay pall transaction email however in my main email. Despite this i got the same "we can not confirm your the owner" like all of us.
I decided Minecraft is Dead to me.
All my servers are useless to me now.
I thought i would buy my old account back. But just don't care to give MS money anymore. I play other things now...
Rip minecraft. It was a fun ride.
If buying isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft. Full Stop
piracy never has been theft. its only copyright infringement.
congrats you know what a period is
Piracy isn't theft anyways because you can't steal something that can be recopied.
your right, its not, piracy is legally considered a different crime just as purchasing a digital good is legally considered different owning, you don't own things digitally (nor have you ever) and because there is no way to legally own a digital good you can't steal a digital good, you can pirate it, which is a different crime
piracy isn't theft, its piracy, but its still a crime
minecraft is very easy to play for free lol
This doesn’t make sense why would they have a time limit. Just make it so you can’t play with a Mojang account but have Infinite time to migrate and make sure to do it someway without email.
This
This
1 word. "money"
That's what I didn't understand either. The time limit made zero sense. And is potentially illegal in some countries.
@@tin2001 You broke the chain
This is like you buying a stove, the manufacturer telling you that you need to add this new thing to it on a time frame and if you don't they come to your house and take the whole stove from you
You're comparing migrating an account to a whole ass stove? If they gave 3 years for the account then they prolly gave you like 9 plus years for an entire stove.
@@bldymna this doesn't matter, you pay for the thing you keep it. Even if they give you all the time in the world they have 0 right to take something you already paid for.
i agree with your sentiment but this was a bad analogy 😭
@@bldymnaIt doesn’t matter the cost. It doesn’t matter how much time they give you. They should not have the ability to take away something you bought, for any reason, full stop.
@@bldymnafound the microsoft shill sheepo
This happened to me last week.
- Bought the game in the beta days and went to Minecon 2012 so I had a nice pickaxe cape.
- Stopped played around 2014
- Recently watched a few MC videos and got excited by 10 years of biome and block updates.
- Found out my unique account was deleted and there was no way to get it back. Simply because Microsoft decided to not keep the data more than 3 years.
I still have the original receipt which proves I bought and paid for the game and yet I can't even get a brand new account.
Tbh we should file a class action lawsuit against them for this. There were people who were unable to during 3 years for good reasons, people in service, people who had temporarily lost account access, people in friggen comas woke up to losing their account on top of missing years of their life, and on top of this, the nametag is still taken even if the account is inaccessible now so they can't even buy a new license and still go with their username. Pretty easy to just keep a list of the old usernames, and then offer support until the last one is gone, they'd just train AN employee or so to be able to append the new account, and strike off that name, until the last one was marked. I call laziness/foul; play.
Oh gosh!!
Exact same thing happened to me. Last played it in 2021, decided to play this year. Can't even access the thing I paid for. Why even is this? So microsoft can farm data analytics from all their players, not just ones on bedrock?
the best part about living in brazil is that anything that restrict legal rights of the consumer in terms of agreement and EULAs in general is completely void and invalidated. a company does not have the power to override a constitutional right here. so if this happens to me, i can sue just fine, regardless of what is written on their contract
that is sad
Fun fact: Eula has no legal standing ground in some places, meaning you can probably sue and win against Microsoft if you know what you're doing. And I really hope some people do that.
THIS. this a secret corporate doesn't want people to unironically know, in a lot of cases you can ignore limitations imposed like this and challenge contracts. Corporations do it all the time against each other, after signing them.
Nice
Yes but this is not that place. Every single software/gaming company in the world has this.
@@hyui5096 By place I mean where you physically are, your local laws.
@@VixYW i see. Maybe in some place you are right. Thanks for clarifying
Found out a few weeks ago that one of my kids didn't migrate. I thought they all did.
I'm tossing up whether to email Microsoft and point out that revoking the account is likely a breach of Australian consumer law... Because if I had known at the time of purchase that they would revoke access, I wouldn't have bought it. Thats the law. Refund required.
Yes, please. Australia brought us Steam's refund policy. You can do it again XD
Do it.
W dad for caring for the boys Minecraft Account😊
The funniest part in all of this is that, as long as you do not accept new terms and keep away, the deletion of the account would break the law in Europe. You can sue them for doing so, and I believe it would also be a case of fraud.
i have a plan
Except that costs a lot of money and time that normal people do not have
@@16m49x3sure but it only takes one person to file the case (or a group who club together), once the case has been decided then anyone else with the same issue can claim against it.
@@16m49x3 You sure do think SalC1 is a normal human?
@@16m49x3its not about the money... its about sending a message
When a random youtube video announces to you that you lost your minecraft account years ago and you had no idea.
This
Then you don't need it anyway
@@lorrdy7640or maybe he had stuff do to, like military duty. Try being an adult for once.
@@lorrdy7640even if you think that being inactive for years and coming back is outrageous, why the hell are you defending microsoft? Microsoft is literally the slimiest piece of dogshit on the face of the earth
I always had in the back of my head to make a second gaming setup and show Minecraft and other nostalgic games of my childhood to my so.
You are living in a world where you don't own anything and you are happy@@lorrdy7640 Congrats happy for you live on!
I had a grand mal seizure in 2019 and was stuck in hospital or bed ridden at home for 4 years after it messed with my nervous system. I have only recently been at a point in my life where I have been able to play videogames again, yet my minecraft account I had for 12 years no longer exists because I have essentially been punished for almost dying and not recovering quickly enough. 3 years was not long enough
Anti-consumer move like SalC said, and in my opinion Microsoft is basically saying buying isn't ownership with this move.
im so sorry
That’s horrible dude, I’m so sorry
I can send u a copy of Minecraft if you want ❤❤❤to
Bro just get better at living 😒
(I'm joking of course, I'm so sorry that happened to you 😔)
I lost a steam account, and I witnessed everything that happened to it. it got involved with a lot of bigotry, the profile was a mess, all my items were traded away and it even got community banned. years later when I wasnt afraid of recovering it (long story) I found an old digital gift card from my gallery to valve, and they brought back EVERYTHING
Community unbanned, items were put back in my account, save for the ones that were sold on the steam community market, and as a plus I could leave every group and unfriend everyone and I never got a message back!!!
I know this has no weight on the conversation since this is VALVE we're talking about but I just wanted to share!
why cant every company be like this????
valve is one of the good ones, but it sucks that they seem to be one of the only good ones.
@@davidlewis6728 And it'll be no more once God Gaben passes away.
@@Dannnnehnot necessarily. If Gabe has stipulations in his will, he can quite literally strong arm the company into obeying him, even in death. Such is the beauty of a private company
Gabe really is the god of games. Bless that man. It’s going to be a sad day when steam is sold.
Reminds me of a greentext i saw
> be gaben
> do nothing
> competition shoots themselves in the foot
I dont understand how companies can be so scummy for no reason. What do you get out of it?
My wife lost her Minecraft account that was over 10 years old. We recently found out when she decided to get back into the game. I looked into trying to get access to it and found we had just missed the deadline. It's kind of sad that her account is lost forever. And that we had to spend money on another account that was supposed to be a permanent license from Mojang and was purchased as such.
game licenses are *never* permanent. they can be revoked, your account banned or even deleted entirely, for any reason they deem fit. that goes for every game. you could be banned from playing every last game you have, for no reason, and youd never be able to do anything, because the EULA would mention they can do that.
@@matthewbarabas3052Yep experienced this first hand. Some companies will even make it hard to try and get access to your account again even with full proof of account ownership if you lost access or been compromised. Gotta make them buy everything again $$$. Piracy is more permanent than this lol.
@@matthewbarabas3052 Some countries are actually moving to ban the possibility of revoking software after it was paid for unless it's a contract-based system aka pay for *blank* time. This has to happen to keep stuff in check. that's like if a car company put in their agreement they could take back your car at any time if you don't drive it every single day. You just cant take peoples stuff regardless of the legality of the choice.
If you didn’t delete any files you still have the worlds from before then in your saves folder the only thing lost is the username
They can only prevent you from playing the games you bought if the games have DRM or are made to require an account to play. Just say no to DRM.
Another thing: the names taken by accounts that can no longer be accessed are still marked as taken! This means that if someone with a name you really wanted didn't migrate their account, it is now literally impossible for you to ever get that name. Good Job Microsoft
Eh, that'll filter out over time.
Good, the toddlers that buy or steal accounts with "cool" names need to take an L every now and then.
Cant wait for them to be deleted, I've been running a username sniper for months now just to get the name I want from an unmigrated account
based on what?@@DePhoegonIsle
who cares... its just a name
Imagine playing Minecraft as a kid in 2011 and 2012 and have moved on in life to other things like college, just to come back and realize that everything was deleted because you didn’t migrate
Edit: For example, in my high school on a ceiling tile, the class of 2011 drew about Minecraft. It’s just sad to think that most of their worlds are likely gone.
Edit: Apparently there is a way to get your worlds back if you didn’t migrate, Idk how though
stop describing my life...
It's just your username. Your old worlds are not connected to it (if you even find them). You'll need to buy a new copy if you really want to play again. It's a bad move from Mojang either way and I despise it as much as any person here but I can't see what the problem is (in the sense of your username being connected to your childhood memories), especially since Mojang lets you use the name again after a certain period.
Edit
for the people asking me about servers: I meant my reply ONLY in the context of what OP said. With a 2011 account there are close to none servers from that age that are still online. Other than that it's a bad move from Mojang and if you used your account for servers, then yea, you'll lose em, which is also a disadvantage.
well, maybe you keep the singleplayer progress, but your data from servers is tied to your account, so it's lost with the account@@eulehund99
@@eulehund99”just buy a new copy”
Fuck you.
If I bought it once I should own it for goddamn ever.
That's jsut sad man
I lost my account I had since I was in the 5th grade. I’m 21 now and I want my account back. Corporations like Microsoft should be banned from existence. They are filth
Welp, capitalism as it is.
I wonder about something. Is the minecraft username fully gone or does it still show up on NameMC when an account is deleted?
@@username300c did you find out?
@@JJ-th5cg unfortunately not :(
Same here I brought in 2022 but closed the game cuz I had my 10th board I didn't migrated and my account is gone
Fun fact for you guys, Microsoft accounts get deleted after 2 years of inactivity! So make sure you log into Minecraft every 2 years or risk that having deleted too!
Wait seriously? What the heck😮
Microsoft accounts also have risk on being Nuked for no reason at all.... i lost one of my alt accounts to that.
@@gasrim Me too...
Time to connect for 2 seconds
Simple solution don't be inactive
Patient: Woke up from a 5 year coma
What did I miss doc?
Doctor: Well for one, your Minecraft account was deleted
Patient: Goes back to coma
😂
Darn
you shouldve wrote it different, the last was shouldve been Patient: Flat lined😂
/kill
If you were in a coma for 5 fucking years, the last thing you're gonna care about is your Minecraft account. Cry about it and grow up. It's $25, you'll be fine
The thing is that the old accounts still exist. The Minecraft APIs can get you the skin and tell you that the username is taken. It's not like they've just deleted everything. They just don't want to maintain the migration process.
They had plans to free up a bunch of old usernames from old accounts that did not migrate... Clearly they didn't go through with this. It could he a number of issues.
@@REDARROW_A_PersonalI’m will to bet there’s already pending arbitration/litigation and out of an abundance of caution they’re not deleting/clearing them. That or they’re lazy. Both are likely imo.
@@REDARROW_A_Personalthat's an excuse for them.
They don't delete these account for legal reason since they are scared someone with power sues them
they only intend to produce instability in their system to create motion. the water was still, but now they're shaking it up by stealing bucketfulls of water from the pool, polluting the pool with sewage in the form of soulless updates and abusing the wildlife that seek to enjoy the pool.
@@NinoJoelah yes surely someone with power will sue microsoft a multi-billion company who got there by effectively forcing their operating system onto the vast majority of the world's computers and users, that nobody can really exactly file a complaint of them being a monopoly because hey, look there's macos, hey look there's linux, but its practically one anyways because of their proprietary apis that almost every developer have grown an overreliance with therefore leading to said developers not create versions of their software on other oses because its too much of a hassle when said apis do not exist on said other os.
8:40 This is why pirates never die. If buying doesn't mean owning, pirating isn't stealing.
Except pirating is mostly dead. Since every game starts to require online connections to their severs, you can't pirate those games.
Also, buying means you had a license to use. It never mean you owned it. So pirating is still stealing since you don't have a license to use it..
yeah its really disgusting what they did. lost an old account from 2011 with all my progress on every server because I didn't play during COVID and was busy with other things. I just find it to be an incredible example business malpractice. unbelievable.
keep up with news and you wouldnt have lost the account
I've also lost my account from 2011 man, got me real mad.
@@nevan2201mojangs #1 meatrider hop off
i mean they sent over 50 emails reminding ppl soo
@@Superby25Jup, never saw a single one of these lol. Btw don't know if you actually watched the video, but the example with Google and RUclips Account Migration still working shows how shitty Microsoft is. Don't know why you need to be gaslighting people
as someone who took a 4 year break from games due to university, this is something that really made me sad.
I lost my 3 accounts and buying 1 back is only 27-30 euro or whatever, but the saves, memories with usernames, progress on servers like hypixel were all gone. thats rough
Talking about usernames, you can register new account with your lost username, if it still not claimed. This should allow your new account to be logged in servers as your old account.
@@BestHakase servers do not register you under your username, rather, an account ID. Sniping back your username will not be sniping back your server progress.
@@BestHakaseaccounts are registered by username in only cracked servers where ofc usernames mean nothing
Good news: Your progress on those servers was gone over 3 years ago, if not the full four. You lost the names and the money.
@@eludee119 you can always tell them to transfer your data over, they will usually do it (I"m talking about the servers)
i would’ve been pretty okay with this IF they left the Migration open forever. Then if someone didn’t follow it AT ALL for years, it would’ve been still possible to OWN the game
It's not just Microsoft that do this, other companies such as Sony have the same practice when it comes to having digital copies. When you own something digitally, you don't really own it, you own a licence to use it and that licence can be taken depending on the terms of use you agreed to. Physical copies, while slightly inconvenient and damageable, can't be taken away, Bill Gates would have to come pry it from your cold, dead hands.
@@badphysiotdx2395 Um... i havent seen ANYTHING sony does that is anywhere close to this. Microsoft literally took away your purchased product with a account transfer window, which under the original (CONTRACTUALLY BINDING) purchase agreements, gave no mention of said migration period or change to the EULA.
Legally, this is beyond scummy.
Yeah I missed the time frame because I could no longer get into the migration due to them changing to Microsoft.
Happened to me.
@@badphysiotdx2395while you think that physical copies are better in that way, in reality its the exact same. your license to play the game is limiting your ability to join servers, which can be revoked all the same with physical copies. (they use the same license system)
My cousin and I used to play Java Minecraft when I went to his house as a kid. I had owned an account but could only ever play at his house on his sister’s pc because my (mom’s) crappy laptop could never run the game smoothly. The last time we played together was around 1.14. He then stopped playing as he got a great job and found little time to play. I however kept playing, though on bedrock because I never had a pc that could run Java Minecraft. 2 days ago I convinced him to play with me again but this time on bedrock, since I believe it to be the best version for performance and cross-play, and as I play on an Xbox. When helping him figure it out in the new launcher, we both, to our surprise found out this terribly unfortunate news. Thank you for this well produced video explaining how it all went down.
Just as an FYI if you bought Minecraft a long time ago the license for it was that you owned the game, not just a license to play the game, which means Microsoft are violating your rights by deleting your account with no compensation.
Very true, GhostedByMojang covers this exact problem, they don't care about our rights lol.
lets go and lawer them!
great then start a class action lawsuit
@@m6isme America doesn't have any consumer rights laws that apply to online products (YET), legislation will need to be passed for games to be treated as property but the populous is well and truly distracted as of late so I don't think any progress will be made to our laws. As it currently stands, this theft is completely legal in America, you can sell a online product and take it back as many times as you want with zero risk. Morally speaking this is evil and it SHOULD be illegal, but it currently isn't. That's a problem. But you don't want to hear this from me, you were defending Microsoft in another comment.
That ^
It's not a "stupid" experiment.. It was quite enlightening and shines a light on common malicious practices in the gaming industry these days. The future of gaming is unfortunately not ownership of these games, its licensing the right to use them until the company decides to pull the plug.
And if buying isnt ownership, piracy isnt thef~
Why just copy the top comment but worse@@core3gamegd587?
It's always been a license to the right to use them since games existed. You never owned the rights to the game. But yes, this is still BS.
When you buy a game digitally you're not actually buying the game but a license to play the game that can be revoked at any time by the license issuer. This is Clearly stated in the TOS on every storefront from steam to the Nintendo e shop.
If you don't like the terms of service then don't buy digital games. It's like going to a restaurant and complaining that they won't allow you to take the food home when there's a big sign that states " NO TAKEHOME ALLOWED, SIGN THIS LETTER SAYING YOUVE READ THIS SIGN AND AGREE WITH THIS POLICY BEFORE ENTERING"
I don't like it either but that's just how it is, there's nothing you or I can ever do about it either and complaining about it won't solve the issue. The guy that made this video is the exception since he makes money complaining but for the average Joe it's a fruitless endeavor
@@BoleDaPolethat is not true. On GOG (for example) you actually buy the actual game installer file without DRM, meaning that as long as you're able to store the file somewhere you're the owner of your copy of the game, even if GOG ends their services.
This is like HP remotely deactivating your printer because you no longer pay the ink subscription. Oh wait, they actually do that...
And Roku deactivating your TV until you agree to their no class action lawsuits EULA update, and Amazon disabling every device in your home because someone claimed you said a slur outside, and having your baby monitor which you paid $400 later being deactivated until you start paying a monthly subscription, and Ubisoft deactivating The Crew, a game that can be played offline, rendering every single sold disc as worthless plastic. This is the world we live in now. We need people to make noise about this.
"You wouldn't rent a printer" [in iconic anti-piracy font/theme]
HP ink subscription is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. It's so typical "hey consumer this subscription is sooooo convenient for you! (as long as you pay)". And apparently there are enough consumers that fall for it.
Just get a laser printer that doesn't dry out and the toner is super cheap.
@user0000user I recently bought a printer from HP because I am very satified w/their laptops.
I then read the reviews and the generalized hate against Instant Ink. I'm not sure I wanna follow the hate train on Instant Ink because I do think it is worth it for a category of people (generally the category of people who print enough to need ink but not enough to justify getting a color laser) but I do get how some of their business practices are shitty
Get an ink tank printer! It doesn't know or care what kind of ink you put in it, and refill bottles are much cheaper than any proprietary cartridge. Laser printers are great too, if you only need to print in black & white.
Someone really replied "Boohoo you had 2-3 years" ?
Lotta shit can happen that makes you not play a video game for 2-3 years (it's not like it's an absolute priority in life). That doesn't mean your not gonna come back to it, especially a game like Minecraft which is very long lived and constantly evolving, that an entire generation has some form or other of nostalgia about, making it likely for us to chronically want to come back to it.
Not only is it not an argument in that regard, it's also not an argument you can morally win with : once you buy something (it was not rented) you expect it to belong to you, as should you.
Just because this product is virtual doesn't mean it's not property, and defending Microsoft for taking it away from people comparable to making an apology for a big company that would use a loophole scam people out of their house to acquire their terrain cheap, or pollute the local river or something: just because they legally can doesn't mean they should and doesn't mean that we can't complain or rebel against it.
And, this doesn’t make a difference, but it’s so unbelievably funny that they said 2-3 instead of just choosing a number. Makes it feel like they’re part of Microsoft legal, just hopping in to be petty.
fr i remember not playing a game for a few months then i come back to it AND THEY DELETED THE GAME, SERVERS SHUT DOWN
Should have been given 10 years or something or a very big announcement that could be seen anywhere
bro its literally 3 whole years, unless you work on a cruise ship or in the army theres no excuse for being lazy. i didnt do it just because i didnt care for the game anymore, yall are clinging onto memories like crack addicts. get over it lmao bye bye to your account :)
@@Waddlington that's just stupid, I don't even know why I feel compelled to answer but here goes : if you buy a book, read it and then leave it for three years, then you want to come back to it but someone tells you that the librarian annonced loudly in this bookshop one morning, warning every one that he was gonna take the books back discreetly unless they sign something, so you don't own the book anymore, cant read it again, would that sound fair to you ? Would that sounds like a normal thing to occur ? And if you complain some random dude comes up to you and says ''bro you' re just lazy, he took my book too who cares'' would that seem like an intelligent and sensible thing to respond ?
Ownership is ownership. Not usufruct, not renting, ownership.
My father bought me Minecraft back in the day, so it was under his Email. When I had to migrate, I wanted to change the email first.
This could only be done by redirecting you to a page which has now become the migration page.
"Fine, I'll migrate my account, then change my email." I thought. Except you can't do that anymore after you migrated.
So now, Microsoft is constantly complaining that my Minecraft account's email doesn't align with my PC's Microsoft account and there is no way to change it.
This is so customer unfriendly I can't believe it.
Protip: reinstall windows and do not use a microsoft account to use windows, just take the "local account" option. You don't need onedrive or any of the other crap they try to sell you on, there are better methods. I mean, the real protip is to rid your hardware of windows permanently; but you know, baby steps.
I signed into xbox and it turned my local account into a Microsoft acc for my pc
@@WeatherMan2005Yikes
@@NormalPersonCommenting You need a microsoft account for windows 11. Windows 10 is losing support in 2025 for security updates... gotta love microsoft!!!
"Reinstall Windows" being a "solution" to not being able to change an email on an account is absolutely wild.@@NormalPersonCommenting
I used to play on a legacy account. It was impossible to migrate it because we didn't have the original email, and couldn't change the email because we lost the original receipt. I have a modern account now, but I still feel bad knowing that thing is gone forever.
Netvirus101, i miss ya man.
amen
same situation, lil bit different about the ownership but same
I had a legacy account (2012) and couldn't migrate due to email address being deleted and no transaction id, so sad that they wont allow any other proof of ownership, it was better back in the day when we could get it back with verifying email pass (if u had t-id) and some pics of the account.
same man. Dad's old email is inactive, and took the transaction ID with it. RIP _lord_hades
Same for me, they just robbed us and didn't provide any help in my case
A quick Google search shows that Microsoft mishandled this process in so many ways, for example one customer posted a screenshot of the launcher post-migration where they could only play the Minecraft demo.
they probably got ignored when they migrated
I have a bugged account too. It split up into two accounts. Every time i log in i have to choose a username. Then that becomes a new account. If i skip choosing username, i have my old account. But the account that changes name keeps the uuid somehow
@@NubeBuster IVE HAD THE SAME THING!!! on many accounts ive tried buying like 4 different accounts but all of them have been deleting or split between "xbox" and "microsoft" logins are setting usernames and such absolutely evil. but what the megacorp wants the megacorp gets
They simply want people who didnt migrate to buy the game again. A second time.
This happened to 3 of my alt accounts I used to play on for faction servers. Havent bothered to attempt to log in with them so I appreciate this video, thank you :D
Their automated corporate response was so wild. You did stuff legally, sent them an official letter and they were still like "throw it in a bin"
That's how corporations work dummy
sad
I mean what do you want them to do tho? He sent them a letter literally saying "I purposefully ignored all your heads up and warnings and agreed to all terms and services, gimme game or money". Like it's kind of a no brainer situation and they dont owe him anything
@@nerd_world8919 it's not that simple, some people's emails they used to purchase the game are long gone, especially the older accounts, leaving such people with no option other than to buy the game again. or some people just haven't logged into their old old e-mail in ages and they were not aware of the migration but lets say decided to come back to the game after a decade or so only to get met with a screen telling them basically "sucks to suck buy a new copy"
@@nerd_world8919Microsoft doesnt know that he read and ignored all emails. He himself said that maybe he could have been interested in other stuff and wasnt interested in minecraft for a while. You can’t expect people to follow all news for something that you don’t even use. Imagine you didn’t play minecraft for a couple years and when you get the urge to play, you learn that your account that you bought with real money is unusable.
Thank you for making this video. My grandfather bought me my first Minecraft account years ago. He ended up passing away in 2020 and had his email only logged in on his old pc. Needless to say, I was very attached to that account as in my mind that was the best present he had ever gotten me. I ended up having to get on his computer just to not lose an account which he paid for, it was very emotional. I appreciate someone bringing this issue to light, thank you
This is exactly what happened to me and my siblings with my Grandma, we lost 3 accounts to the migration all bought by her when we were kids.. I feel your pain man
If buying doesn't imply ownership, piracy isn't theft.
Edit: A lot of people are misunderstanding.
I'm not against Intellectual property.
I'm against services that sell you stuff, but then remove it if they cease to hold the rights to distribute it anymore.
Like. If I bought a movie on a platform 5 years ago, that movie should stay in my library. Of course it makes sense for the service not to sell that movie anymore, but I shouldn't lose what I already paid for unless offered a refund.
This is getting stupid.
piracy is copyright infringement not theft
buying is owning not renting
@@Hidde_ not to corporations.
@@cherubin7th nuh uhh
copyright infringment is stealing media and repurposing it in any comercial environment, so piracy is completely ethical 🤓🤓
@@cherubin7th Copyright infringement fall under the definition of theft, you are stealing an idea or property that belongs to someone else
I had my account since i was 14. Didn't know, wanted to revisit the game again but found my childhood account and worlds are just unaccessible. Absolutely heartbreaking
This happened to my OG account from 2011. I contacted the support team about a month before the final deadline of the migration period.
The support team responded 1 week after my initial ticket and said that they are willing to help me. I send over as much information that I could. They never responded until 3 weeks AFTER (4 weeks since the initial ticket). They responded after the migration period and basically said "Sorry, there's nothing we can do. But we can offer u a new copy of minecraft within 90 days".
What ticked me off was the false hope of them attempting to help me - but they respond AFTER the migration period ends?
@@DecidiousGreens "I send over as much information that I could" sounds like he didnt have acces to it
@@rogoznicafc9672 thanks I guess
@@rogoznicafc9672 I had the login and pass to the mc account, but I did not remember the password of the yahoo email (bare in mind I made this back in 2011 when I was a kid).
I did have the transaction id, and I even made youtube videos with that old account (I was one of those kids LOL). I sent all that info over and still no response until after the migration period ended.
Before anyone asks, yes I tried retrieving the yahoo email back. The support for Yahoo said they can't help me with old inactive accounts anymore.
Mate I had the same problem lmao, I gave them everything they asked for and we were going back and forth for over 6 months
@@rogoznicafc9672 to be fair, you need the id of purchase, if you don't have that ur cooked.
"hey, just giving you a warning: I'm gonna come take your TV from your home in like 3 years so... Heads up"
We will take your home because you don’t immigrate your title deed.
Thats different when you buy a digital game youre not buying the game youre buying the rights to that game and that can be taken at any time, buying a tv makes it youre property
@@randompigboi yes thats the issue
if i buy something its MINE
@@DRAGONFLAIR2008 Unfortunately thats not always the case
More like "hey we are going to take your TV in 3 years from now... But if you take a few minutes to create this free account then all good, no problem, we will not take your TV"
I've seen this happen a lot with MMOs.
They get bought by some company some year and you have to migrate your account during a relatively small period or you lose your access, which in MMOs is huge
? Mojang gave people months to migrate did they not?
Watched the ending and read a few comments. Yeah, this was scummy on MS'd end
@@flamedramon68three years or something?
He had 3-4 years to do it, he didn't to make content
you had over 3 years of constant reminders, how is that a "relatively small period", it's your fault and only your fault if you didn't migrate
@@flamedramon68 i couldn't migrate because i had lost access to the email but could still login. but after the migration i got fucked
Coming to this video today after just finding out I lost my two Minecraft accounts which brought me so much joy in my middle school years. Thanks a lot Microsoft, it's like you intentionally do all the stupidest things possible to try to balance out the good things you provide.
A friend of mine died back in 2017. He absolutely loved Minecraft and that was his main game. Absolutely horrible to see that another part of him was killed.
@@SkyFWWO ,,, What the fuck, this is why everyone hates furries.
Well that’s a bit dramatic
@@SkyFWWOfucked up but effective bait comment
@@SkyFWWOnumber 20 frog in a frozen vegetable bag
@@SkyFWWOyeah you just shouldn’t joke about that topic. Especially if the "joke" isn’t even funny
There's no question that they were looking forward to the extra purchases that would happen when people were locked out of their account.
The pennies they would make from that means nothing to them, likely they don't want to support old and outdated systems and want to move everything over to 1 uniform system
There’s a lot of reasons accounts needed to be migrated. I have no clue what Mojangs infrastructure was at the time but I guarantee it wasn’t as secure or stable as Microsoft’s
@@ftgodlygoose4718 Secure? What's the point of security for a game account? It's not like you're storing your social security number in your account data. Now your Minecraft account is connected to your Microsoft account, which actually DOES have sensitive data attached to it, so security is more of a concern than before. Compartmentalization is the key to security, NOT connections. Microsoft is blatantly lying to you if they say they're connecting Minecraft to Microsoft for security.
And "stability" isn't really quantifiable, I seriously doubt that Microsoft had reason to believe there were stability issues with Mojang accounts. If there were, they could have gone the infinitely more hassle-free route of just fixing the stability issues.
@@ftgodlygoose4718 Microsoft recently got 'hacked' when they left a testing admin account active. Is that what you meant when you said "secure"?
@@ftgodlygoose4718Doesnt matter, just keep the migration open indefinetely.
My mom bought me my account when Minecraft was in Alpha and I don’t even know if they sent out codes to confirm it at that point. I got the notice that I had to migrate my account and realized that the old email we had attached to it was no longer active, and I was told I had to buy a new copy to play the game I supported in it’s infancy. I’m in my 20s now, so it wouldn’t be surprising to hear this happening to many others too. It really is just a slap in the face to those who made Minecraft what it is now.
Literally the same thing here bro, that email is long gone along with my original acct
Even worse, if you still have your email, but don't know it they won't give you any hint of what it is, not even a letter.
They'd let me change my email if I had a transaction id.
For a game I bought in 2012.
PayPal doesn't keep transaction ids for longer then 10 years for security. Naturally
Same exact thing happened to me. I went through all of their recovery methods and tips, but all I was doing was just delaying the inevitability of repaying for the game I already bought years ago. It felt like such a betrayal.
Uhh i was able to migrate with a dead email, tho i think it was more of a “hey this is my acc, i no longer have access to it nor the receipt but i have proof the email was mine”
Okay but you had literal years worth of gameplay and got your like 30 bucks worth...just buy it again. You'd have similar issues in any other game where you tried to login but failed because you legit dont have access to the email.
Awesome vid. The whole time-limited migration thing was such a scummy, predatory move. I would totally watch a part 2 of this vid following the legal litigation.
The RUclips Legacy account migration to Google still being available is wild. The fact that Microsoft just erased those unmigrated accounts is really unfair.
Yeah its not a situation of "this is impossible for us to do" its a situation of "we do not care enough about our customers to support this"
although is there any need to migrate it? I migrated because I wanted to get new handle/nickname but honestly up until recently I was using my old youtube legacy account and never had any problems related with it.
@@TheRealTonie it’s less about the need to do so and more about the respect of the customer. If one person wants their account migrated they can still do that, because that is good for the consumer, and RUclips values that. Something Microsoft dosent do.
@@moustashguy5315 except, youtube never put -much- any effort into advertising that there's any migration and what for. I actually was baffled why I can't change the nickname or the handles and it was weird to me.
I didn't know what it meant "legacy youtube account" I just thought they already did that ages ago since it was under my email anyway. Turns out, they didn't.
Meanwhile about the migration with the minecraft, I even saw some news articles warning about it before it happened and true I wanted to migrate immediately since I was a bit anxious about missing it.
There were emails coming too and when it did I migrated.
Now tell me, how microsoft can figure out which old email adress can be paired to which microsoft email adress? Should they let people migrate endlessly? When old email accounts are being hacked daily, it's a matter of time before somebody digs through some old email accounts whose owners didn't bother to put on double authentication nor any decent password and migrate his account away from him. Or just a mojang account that only had a weak password for it.
I know that it is about "ownership rights" but hypothetically let's say minecraft didn't sell and it bankrupted. Would you still be the owner of your game copy, if its confirmation is stored online on some server that has its costs? For how long exactly?
You weren't given a serial number unique to your game copy so you can retrieve it later. The only thing is your old adress email and who knows if it's active since you ignored that email.
Minecraft began to be a big game which people want to buy, stealing an account especially if it holds unique capes or even the new capes like all old accounts now do will be even more valuable.
It'd be nice of microsoft if they finally collected enough of people waking up now and finally said _"ok that's enough of late sleepers waking up, let's refund them"_ but dunno if that will ever happen since it's bad bussiness for big corporation.
I don't want to defend them, but I can't help but understand them a little.
Google can theoretically keep making money by keeping legacy YT accounts active, since they still earn the ad revenue for any views of existing videos. The impact to their reputation for removing that much history from a public-facing forum would be significant too (not that that’s stopped companies in the past lol). Unfortunately, Microsoft refusing to give back old Minecraft accounts is just not as risky a move for them.
Migration as an analogy:
- Players are told to move
- Some players have broken their leg
- Microsoft shoots those players
theyre just horses, to be used for a human (in this case, corporate) purpose
sounds familiar to a certain regime...
@@PlayerEngineer uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ww2 germany plotting in the corner
I bought my Minecraft acc back in 2015 and haven’t migrated but it still switch to Microsoft by it self
@@yungmazing7321 That sounds like someone stole your account and migrated it under a different email address. This happened to a lot of customers. Do you still have access?
Happy you made a video about this. Lost an account that I was playing for 10 years+ logging in with the same information and then all of a sudden it was taken away with me. Went through all the support tickets and their literal response was "Sorry this has happened to you, if it makes you feel better this issue is happening with a lof of other players". Crazy
luckily turns out minecraft is essentially a dead game now. I'll hop on the console edition sometimes other than that crap game
@@DefaultMale_ lol source?
Minecraft is dead?
@@deenarrollo8267 from everyone i know who plays it, supposedly. Even the hardcore players who've hung on through the last few questionable updates are supposedly getting bored idk lol.
I dont play minecraft or pay attention to its community much anymore so you can take it with a grain of salt
@@Keygentlemen "sause" bruh
i lost my original childhood account completely because i wasnt playing minecraft for a while and wasnt aware
The fun part was that during the migration period, unfixable errors were common and migration was impossible to complete.
Friend I gifted a key to back in alpha had that happen to him. Support would do anything unless he had the "transaction id", which wasn't a think for alpha and part of beta. It took both of us filling tickets to get escalated to somebody that knew gift keys were a thing, but then they required the key itself. Something that was used once back in alpha. Used to be able to look those up on the Mojang account page, but MS liked that prior to MS account support, so I couldn't get it there. Support couldn't get me my key list even with my transaction id for the key purchases and friend couldn't use that to recover his. I had to resort to pulling the hard drive out of the old PC I used at the time, pulling the Skype profile database into a log viewer, and thankfully finding the message where I sent him the key.
MS tends to ruin everything they touch.
HOLY SHIT. That's CSI shit to keep hold of your minecraft account. Good job.
well look at the bright side, you got a slightly cool and very niche story out of it
@@grqfesI work in IT. The sad part is that is not even in the top 10 for annoying account recoveries.
As far as stupid personal ones though: proving I bought some virtual temporary slickers over 10 years prior, then doing that for 3 more accounts, is gonna be up there.
They ruin things on purpose, too.
@@grqfes "One of the largest corporations in the world tries to cheat him out of his Minecraft account" is neither cool, nor niche; it's just like all the billions of other "large corporation tries to fuck over its users" stories.
I lost my 9 year old minecraft account because I lost access to the email associated with it until a few months after it got deleted by Mojang. I had so much stuff on so many servers. Ranks, bases, friends, etc. Lost all of it. Thank you Microsoft.
I am sorry for the friends that you have lost
what happened to personal responsibility?
>ranks
punishment from God.
@@APunishedManNamed2There are servers that let you rank up free you know?
epic greentext reference xD@@APunishedManNamed2
Lots of people don't have access to their email anymore.
That is most likely the biggest reason why so many people didn't migrate.
this is what happened to me but microsoft SUCK
This is what happened to me aswell. I created my account in 2011 and after a couple of years I couldn't acess my email anymore. I was writing so many emails for mojang for help but they would just "reccomend" me to buy another account
@@FlyingVenets Blame Microsoft
I somehow managed to change emails when migrating. It's the only reason I accepted it.
I dont have acess to it because its my dad email as he made an account for me back 12 years ago when I was a kid, tho thanksfully he migrated the account as soon as he could and he helped me to still play minecraft
sadly, now the bedrock launcher refuse to log into the microsoft account without logging my windows 10 into that microsoft account which would mess up all the settings in my pc and my dad pc so I cant ever play bedrock anyway
I've puchased a copy 12+ years ago, and tried to play again, only to discover that!
I remember reading a story on Reddit. Basically, OP took a break from Minecraft for 2 years for personal reasons. They come back - the account's gone. No notifications or warnings were sent, iirc the account didn't have any issues with migrations. It was simply wiped out from the face of the game.
And this crap is actually scary.
30$ in my country is really expensive, especially for a game, so buying Minecraft from the official site is almost like gambling.
As the time goes on, it's more and more unsurprising why a lot of people in post-USSR countries pirate the games and why piracy is generally still a thing.
According to another comment MS accounts are automatically deleted after 2 years of inactivity, which is incredibly stupid
30€ is an insanely stupid price for a videogame here too! And it's made even worse by tax
i love piracy
most post-eastern bloc countries tbh
something similiar happened to my account back around 2021 - 2022 and it was so frustrating because i always thought it was an error with migration even though i was never notified that i was able to migrate my account, no emails or notifications on the launcher, but since this happened at the latest march of 2022 and i realized that the email i used said that there was no account attached to it that my account was actually just completely deleted and at that point i just decided to re buy minecraft
I find it pretty ridiculous that Microsoft couldn't just leave open the "Migrating an account" option so that people who've bought the game years prior could still connect and play again if they wanted to, without being forced to migrate within a timeframe or buy a new account. I'm also amazed that it isn't illegal to, in a way, "rob" players of their product they had already paid for. Even with the excuse of "Well, they had 2-3 years," it still doesn't justify their attitude towards old Minecraft accounts. In my opinion, if they didn't want to leave open the option to migrate an account, they should still be legally obligated to refund any and all users who didn't migrate their account. If it didn't cost so much money and you weren't fighting a multi-billion-dollar company, you should sue Microsoft for essentially robbing paying customers. It's just not right.
If you bought in beta technically it is illegal, because the original purchase page said the account would last forever, for free.
It's all about exploitation of legal loopholes and bribing. That's the only way Microsoft is able to do this.
Take up piracy at this point. If they want to rob us, then we have full clearance to take what we want from them.
This is because under any company, when you buy a game, you are never buying a game. You are "renting it". If you break their rules (or not) they have the right to stop their service. That is just how all digital services worked.
@@hyui5096 Well I haven't seen a digital service this ignorant lol
@@hyui5096 if buying isnt owning then piracy isnt theft. fuck that.
Escalate this further.
I have never failed to get my money back from a giant corporation if i get indignant enough.
At a certain point, having to pay the salary of the people telling you "no" costs more than just giving you the refund.
Do it, not for the $26, but to spite them. Fuck Microsoft.
How do you escalate it further?
We’re all together in this shit😔 Let us know if you manage to get the account or money back, please. And if so, tell us how😭
eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh
@@arvalb0 Sue them. I bet notch would be happy to fund it...
@@rosee8140I guarentee he wouldn't. Notch does not care about what microsoft is doing with minecraft, and has has expressed no signficant negative feelings towards microsoft. he's also not the type of billionaire to go around giving people money on a whim.
I lost my minecon 2013 cape because of this. I never knew I needed to migrate it because I never logged in during the time period. The fact they refuse to help me now is theft.
As soon as Minecraft went from Indie to corporate, everybody should have known it was going to go downhill.
If we crowdfund a couple billion we could buy minecraft back and make it open source
that is sadly not gonna happen@@Slurpee_Burger
i like the cherry blossom wood
@@Slurpee_Burger i don't think you get how much a billion is. anyone with the kind of money to make that happen is probably a microsoft droid.
I remember all the 2014 animations of famous youtubers minecraft avatars beating up notch and bill gates and i thought they were going too far
I appreciate that your main takeaway is "they're allowed to force migration, but it's the time limit that's the problem"
It's only kinda not cool to force account migration but it's downright evil to force it within a time limit
They are not allowed to force migration on early adopter customers. The rest of the customers are still entitled to an opportunity to read and respond if this is an EULA policy change. As far as we can tell, Mojang did not establish a contractual obligation to "migrate OR ELSE" prior to initiating this plan, but if you have evidence to the contrary please provide it. Customers are entitled to what they paid for and if Mojang wants to push changes the legal standard is legal notice. You can't usurp a contract by proposing changes and not having the other party informed. Sending an email does not meet the burden of proof. Further, you also had customers who were not even sent emails. Mojang never gave itself authority to impose time sensitive consequences from EULA.
thats the thing they should be sued for, the time limit
I got very lucky that I decided to play minecraft after years of not playing within the migration period. My account was tied to an email I also have not checked for years so I had no idea the migration was happening.
@@peppermintpig974 What exactly are you hoping for? "Doesn't mean the burden of proof", pfft. Sure, one email might not justify it. But multiple emails, and public disclosure - repeatedly - for years leading up to it... what more are you expecting from them?
Don't quote me on these figures, but apparently Java has sold ~30 million times whilst a total of ~300 million Minecraft copies have been sold... Even just using the smaller figure of 30 million, what is a reasonable effort on their part? Letters in the real world? In-person communication? A lawyer showing up at 30 million doors? (Admittedly there'd be some people with multiple accounts, so less than that)
"Oh but I haven't played in years." Well, then, shell out another $40 for what is effectively endless entertainment, limited only by your imagination and ability to mod. If you spend 2 hours, that's $20 an hour for entertainment, and probably ends up cheaper than the cinema. But, of course, you could end up spending 2000 hours which brings that down considerably... to 2 cents per "hour of entertainment". Or, maybe, it's just not a game you enjoyed and you had little to no intention of returning.
Maybe it's the old builds and worlds you've lost. I feel for you, I do. It's tragic... but time passes, the present is already over, and memories fade. Rebuild, or don't. Doesn't matter either way.
My little sister lost her account like this. Dad wouldn't have known, i didn't keep an eye on her stuff and pooof. Disappeared.
Oh that sucks...that's really a dark practice
Thanks for the experiment. I was a consistent Java player around 2012-2015. I quit playing for around 9 years and recently considered coming back to. Sad to hear that my childhood Java account has been annihilated.
There was also recently a post on reddit where someone had their Microsoft account (with a *migrated* MC account linked) closed for inactivity - account gone, minecraft as well
so no, you apparently can't safely ghost this game for a while.
FFS so something else they are now doing... I hardly play Minecraft on my OG Account (Before you could change the name) and very little on my new account (I got before the migration).
If I loose that OG one I will flip.
ooof
Stupid corpo crap. So now if I want to keep something inactive for long periods of time I have to have yearly/monthly reminder to log there once. I understand the companies, but... why does it have to keep so much data anyway? If they didn't, the cost would not be an issue.
Fun fact! This is very illegal under the Australian consumer law! Quote "A major problem means the product:
has either one serious problem or several smaller problems that would stop someone buying the product if they knew about them beforehand
can’t be used for its normal purpose, or another purpose the consumer told the seller about before they bought it, and can’t easily be fixed within a reasonable time.
Businesses can’t take away a consumer's right to a refund or replacement for faulty products or services. It’s illegal for businesses to rely on store policies or terms and conditions which deny these rights. For example, policies which say ‘no refunds’ or ‘no refunds or exchanges on sale items’."
This is the same Australian consumer law that forced steam to give refunds btw. So at least if you're Australian and lost your account you can take that route
I plan to take this route as I live with my head under a rock and missed the deadline. Though the undisturbed possession clause of the ACL is likely more suitable in this case.
exactly what i thought of! i took the safer (yet way more annoying, thanks for making managing my microsoft account harder than it ever had to be!)) route of just migrating, but my sincere condolences to everybody who got their accounts robbed from them.
Thank you! I'll try this route!
Wow then surely something will happen, right? lol
@@m6ismesomething has to happen, otherwise you can get them into legal trouble
Wow, I guess the phrase "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing" can apply to even this...
Unintentionally did this using a modified version of 1.19 Java designed for mod development
Can't own a game, just the license. Can't pirate something reproducible, so pirate away.
@@hobogrifter I mean the fact it's reproducible is why it's piracy. The problem *is* the reproducibility.
Piracy was never stealing, it's always been copyright infringement when talking about digital assets
Thank you for the video and your sacrifice. As some one who tends to flucuate on things it's good to know what companies honor your purchase and what companies will say "eat it".
i can't imagine being someone that couldn't migrate their account due to being in the hospital due to being in a coma or something other major that left them bedbound for those years...
I'd honestly love to see their reaction to if a post went viral on Reddit saying "I was in a coma for 5 years, or kidnapped, and then I got an automated message saying my account was deleted". They'd for sure offer them a new free copy but that's one person out of thousands
@@sickoslater i could only hope that's the case honestly. if they don't...? that's honestly really messed up. it's not anything the person could do anything about.
Just not played/not checked email, baby birth, milittary service, jail, literaly any reason, they dont have any right to delete your account just because their managers suddenly decided to 'migrate' everyone, its bullshit and its typical microsoft behavior literally in everything, i tired of blue screens which offering me to move on raw windows 11, thank's for letting me choose atleast..
@@sickoslaterthey would not, micropenis and mojang have proven that they are just complete shitters so far
There actually was a coma patient posting the other day on Reddit regarding the migration.
This happened to me. I used an old email for my Minecraft account that I don’t check and a couple weeks ago my roommates started a Minecraft realm. I was excited to play until I realized I can’t because I wasn’t thinking about Minecraft every single year. I’m still a little sad about it, and obviously all my old worlds are gone. I’ve lost so many worlds over the years.
Worlds are stored locally, and you don't need an account to copy, or back them up. If you have a device with MC installed, the saves probably weren't deleted.
You had like a year
@@enr1c039alot of life can happen within a year that doesn't involve videogames. You should try it sometime.
@@interbard Oh yeah, I forgot they are stored locally. But server stuff is gone.
@enr1c039 People move on from things and could have missed this period cus they didnt care about minecraft anymore.
That's all thanks to the Digital Millennium Copyrights Act.
As the owner of the software they legally didn't even have to allow/create account migration and would have been perfectly within their legal rights to just say "Mojang accounts are gone. If you want Minecraft Java you have to repurchase it via a Microsoft account."
What makes it worse is that even now, they can arbitrarily/randomly say "We don't want user X to have the game anymore" and revoke that individuals digital access license.
DMCA is terrible piece of legislation that is anti-consumer and it should be repealed or amended.
Oh i didnt know that about dcma
@@andrewanderson8803 Yeah, it's a real POS legislation.
I didn't realize how terrible until I asked my dad about it about a year ago.
I don't know about the legal options in the US, but here in Germany we have something called a ,,konkrete Normenkontrolle". Here one side of a court trial can ask the judge to pause the trial and refer the trial-deciding-law (any law that might decide the outcome of a trial) to the constitutional court, which then decides if said law is legal. For this, the judge must be convinced that this is necessary (otherwise this feature might get abused). Something like this could be useful in a trial involving the DMCA.
I wonder if something similar exists in the US 🤔
this just isn't how the DMCA works, the DMCA is consumer protections, shitty ones sure, but it exists to protect you
the DMCA makes just outright removal or ownership illegal, Microsoft can't just decide to remove your ownership, to do so you either have to breach the EULA you agreed to or if MS is to do something like removing Mojang accounts they have to give you ample time to react to that (which they did to make sure they didn't breach the DMCA)
what your describing is a world where the DMCA doesn't exist at all, were you have ZERO protections instead of the again PRETTY BAD existing protections, Im not saying the DMCA is perfect, it is FARRRR from it, it needs to be updated like yesterday, but it is a good thing, a very small good thing, but a good thing
@aragornderheld is that existing as only a law that nobody have been able to use or has it been helpful to people?
Wow, that's crazy. Also interesting to see that you can still migrate old RUclips accounts!
"i guess the term buy doesn't mean anything anymore if companies can just take your purchase away"
and that's where physical media comes in
I can still pop in my unupdated copy of xbox 360 edition and play it like it all never happened
No, that's where laws regulating ownership of digital goods come in. Oh boy howdy am I glad physical copies of The Crew exist, that'll definitely mean you can still play the game after they kill it.
or piracy
No, that’s when piracy comes in.
@@Over_Surgeempress moment
Oh dam, seeing the old OG launcher gave me nostalgic flashbacks, and almost want to jump back into the older versions to play around in again.
That's not the OG launcher, that's the new release 1.6 launcher.
Olauncher is that old launcher made compatible with new versions & Microsoft account support
I bought Minecraft in ~2016 originally and played consistently for YEARS, as time past though, I got more and more caught up with school and just life. About a week ago, I checked back on the Minecraft website to redownload the game, so I could have something to play to pass the time in my dorm, but my old account just seemed to be gone. I missed the whole migration event and didn't even know it existed until I watched this video. I don't have enough money to buy a new copy of the game either, as all my money goes to food and school supplies. RIP all the progress I had on my old account. Justice for the little guy.
If you live in Europe there's a chance you can actually sue over this.
Fuck man, that’s just sad
Rip bozo
@@espammerofthealgorithmgods649 In USA as well.
I had problems with my computer in that time period and I didn't know I had to migrate (I barely spoke English) so now my old account is lost forever
I have so many fond memories with it and it's so sad it's forever lost
If buying isn't owning, then sailing the seven seas isn't stealing
It never is, its copyright infringement
Buying isn’t owning it. Nope. You don’t own the game to the point you can decide whatever, you are only given permission to play it.
you SHOULD own a copy of the game. and be able to do whatever you want with that copy.@@beedslolkuntus2070
@@beedslolkuntus2070 exactly, piracy isnt stealing either
You gonna pirate the login servers? Good luck playing online!
I created my account in 2014. It's lost and I'm honestly heartbroken. Thank you for shedding some light on this. ‹3
Bro if u need one account for cheap or want something let me know i will sell mine for cheap if you want
Imagine losing all your memory on a acc you had
@@VGODP yep. i dont play MC anymore but ive had my first account since i was 9 (so in 2011) and its not gone forever and i am not buying another. literally stupid
Same. Wow. Microsoft Microsofting
2011
I would've liked to have that alleged veteran cape.
Also i have no way of verifying that account whatsoever. I have it linked with Microsoft and all bit if it ever gets hacksilvered, it'll be bye bye. Purchased it with a gift code card initiall
It's SO DAMN EASY for them to just keep offering migrations indefinely, literally a matter of keeping a list of the mojang accounts somewhere, and making a corresponding Microsoft account attribution to add a minecraft account appended with the old name. You almost have to wonder if they did this intentionally to make the people who for whatever reason miss the deadline have to buy it again, I mean people in the military even were losing accounts because oh I don't know, maybe they were STATIONED SOMEWHERE during that window.
I'm starting to think it was intentional to rob people
that would be ideal (and what google is doing with youtube), but even if you have to reach out to support with your original receipt (and even if they just give you credit towards a new account rather than migration) it would be *something* at least
if its so easy, you do it.
@@matthewbarabas3052 It's not a matter of "do it", it's a matter of "don't do it", because all M$ had to do was to keep the database for the old accounts and to not disable the account migration. It actually took more effort to disable the option than to keep it indefinitely.
@@torgematthies2172 not if they do it via timer.
I never knew about the minecraft migration until i hopped on one day and noticed all of a sudden my account didnt exist :c
I migrated my account in time and really had no issues with any of it, personally.
Still pissed because as you explained, the way they handled the situation is blatantly anti-consumer. The fact that companies can totally abuse customers in these ways with digital goods, that “buying” something digital often means fuck all legally, it’s a complete disgrace.
The money you spent was as real as any physical cash, so why isn’t the product?
man, I havent played minecraft in a while and I had the urge to play again recently until I heard about this whole migration thing, goodbye to my years in hypixel
I agree. The mere concept of a time limited account migration is so scummy and predatory. ATP consumers barely have any rights to the products they purchase
DUDE FACTS, anyone who didn't migrate their account or couldn't should be physically REFUNDED so they can make a brand new account, it isn't much but at least they wouldn't be fucking us all over
@@rinnielovesmeeko exactly, and even if they refunded, my stats at some servers are gone, sadly my hours on a certain server has disappeared due to this migrating thing
As the saying goes: "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft"
So I had this happen to me. I last played the game back in 2020-2021 with an account that would be about 13 years old now. Life got busy, but more importantly the account was tied to an ancient email that I didn't use anymore (it wasn't my primary address even back then) and none of the reminders actually reached me. Three years later, a week ago, I randomly got the urge to play the game again. When I realized they didn't support Mojang accounts anymore, I was pretty annoyed but decided fine I'll just move it to a Microsoft account. Except the "migration period" had ended in 2023 and for all purposes I didn't own the game anymore and would need to buy it again to play it.
You can say I'm an idiot for not migrating after 3 years. The thing is though, I work in software development, I know how these systems function and more importantly, how management functions in these companies. There's absolutely no technical reason why you shouldn't be able to migrate your Mojang account to this day. There are more ancient and arcane systems that function to this day no problem. The entire banking system runs on COBOL software written in the 70s/80s for crying out loud. This was some higher up suit's idea and it's purely a greedy, ignorant business decision. So for people blaming those that didn't migrate on time and giving Microsoft a free pass for a shitty decision that screwed over likely thousands and thousands of people, you're severely missing the point.
Now for me it wasn't really a big deal to buy the game again. I pretty much only played single player mode and since I don't really game much these days, less than 30 bucks for a game I've been playing for over a decade on and off that I can get into on occasion was worth it now that I have my own salary. But for someone else, they might've lost something of value and were forced to buy the game again (which in the current economy not everyone has the luxury of doing) for no other reason but because some corporate fuck felt like it. So yeah, fuck Microsoft for this one.
Man, this really resonated with me. I’m pretty much in the same boat with an account that’s 10+ years old, and the last time I played was in 2021. My account also used an ancient email and I never caught wind of the whole migration situation through other means. I stopped playing Minecraft these past few years because of college, and I only just realized that I missed the migration period because of this video. Damn.
Maybe they just wanted to shut down the old account database and everything related (security, infrastructure, etc.), but then again, this is Microsoft, they have money to spare.
"There's absolutely no technical reason why you shouldn't be able to migrate your Mojang account to this day. There are more ancient and arcane systems that function to this day no problem."
The issue isn't that it's not _possible_ to support them, it's that it doesn't make sense to. One of the biggest changes between the 2 accounts is the 2FA system, since if you weren't aware MC accounts were infamous for being _ridiculously_ easy to crack and share around. You could even straight up steal many accounts by buying them for like $2 online then switching the email and password to your own. And that last point is the main issue - migration is pointless if it lasts forever, because then the hackers could simply migrate their illegally acquired accounts and continue using them as their own. By stopping migration they basically killed the existing alt-market since all those abandoned accounts couldn't be used.
(There's still ways to steal accounts of course and as a result alt shops selling them, but it's nowhere near as easy and cheap as before. They also could have used a system to require copious amounts of proof to continue migrating instead of straight up ending it, but the amount of people affected by it are so small relative to the total playerbase that they probably just don't care)
Very similar situation. Further, the usernames are still 'taken', so new accounts can't be made with the same name - annoying if you had one you liked.
@@SKDemon0 2FA is external and security flaws don't excuse arbitrary time limits. At the least, it incentivizes bad actors to hinder someone's migration so they can steal accounts with rare names or harm people they don't like.
The whole point of the transfer is that Microsoft wants more people feeding data attached to their names. That's why Microsoft accounts are so universalized across live-service platforms. The transfer was done for the purposes of data harvesting, not security. If they wanted 2fa, it's infinitely easier to just provide it as an option while keeping accounts native to Mojang.
I transferred my account. I was affected by it even if I didn't get locked out. I don't want to have to use Microsoft's account to be logging into a game I play once a year with friends. It's scummy and deceitful.
edit: Someone else said names stick around as "taken", so the former point is moot. That's a problem in and of itself, though.
This would definitely work if you lived in Europe or Australia!!
They have very strict consumer protection laws and Microsoft is 100% obligated by law to provide you with the product that you PURCHASED. This typically overrides most EULA’s because to operate in Europe and Australia Microsoft must follow their consumer protection laws.
USA really needs to step up their consumer protection.
I have a strange personal example but here:
I joined Eharmony in 2020 and was charged like $400 late payment fee for a yearly subscription. Eharmony basically said it was a contract and not a subscription. So they could charge late fees.
Eharmony started sending debt collectors calling me but because contracts in Australia usually require a signature and agreement all it took was one call to our consumer protection watchdog and Eharmony ceased contacting me. So their US terms of service are nearly useless here.
They are actually being sued right now in a class action here. Really scummy company.
@@shelly8563 I never trusted that foul old man on the commercials.
Lol, aren't you quite the optimist. Meta literally scammed me out of 500 Euros for an Oculus Quest 1 by bricking it with their shitty acount migration thingy. According to the laws where i live (Germany, Strafgesetzbuch§ 263) this is literally just a scam, and when I contacted them about it they basically said "No we're not giving you your money" and there is literally nothing I can do about it.
nope.
I live in Europe and there is literally no way for me to even contact them
@@Joni-gv6kn Well you're wrong in that you contacted the company expecting them to change their way.
Report to the relevant authority (some consumer protection agency?) or contact a them by legal action with a lawyer and for most companies this will lead to a quick change of heart.
Imagine getting your friends who played since beta to be interested to play minecraft again but realizing they missed the migration.
If you're alpha or early beta, you can create/use alternate authentication tools. At least then you can play with friends using the same alt auth server. Early adopter contracts protect customer rights to do this because these contracts are devoid of a revision clause and have generous modification freedom.
The most stupid thing from all of this is that the gaming industry is moving towards this 'you own nothing and you will be happy' route and its extremely disgusting. I hate pirating games (as I want to support the developers) but if things keeps going downhill, im afraid we wont be able to trust gaming companies anymore.
Just dont pirate from small developers. If theyre signed with a company, dont worry about the money. They already got paid more than youll make in your lifetime
Sadly, I see games with Indie developers with tight budgets absolutely get pirated by guys who don't give a shit@@sexygirlmax2019
@@sexygirlmax2019that's an extremely short-sighted way to look at it. If too many people pirate a game and it doesn't turn a profit, those developers *will* be laid off sooner or later. Sequels will be canceled, studios will close or be bought out cheaply, publisher influence will rise, et cetera. At the very least they'll be forced to use more invasive DRM for their next game.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 i missed the part where that's my problem.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Oh no NOT THE HECKIN SEQUELS
They actually tried this on me with the previous migration from legacy minecraft accounts to mojang accounts too. I hadn’t played for a while when the migration happened and contacted customer support. They told me that “just like with physical goods, it is possible to lose digital goods too”, which is complete bs on its own, but thankfully when I provided them with the original receipts they caved and migrated my account
I used a legacy Minecraft account until the announcement about moving to Microsoft accounts when I finally migrated to a Mojang account (I wasn't sure if we could migrate straight fro Minecraft account to Microsoft account).
Previously I hadn't been able to migrate to a Mojang account because I lost my old gmail account in 2011, but somehow few years ago it didn't need any confirmation on the old email so I was able to migrate and change the email address to a working one.
Lost my account by simply not having time for computer at the time frame, but hey theft can go both ways, so now i am enjoying a fully functional pirated version :)
Link?
@@2goober4u There's like a billion pirated launchers that have better functionality in cases than retail minecraft like TLauncher.
@CannedCoochie did you dos the? Never count the hercules out!
@CannedCoochie I win.
King.
I randomly got linked this video. Didn't even know this happened. Checked my e-mails, never had these migration e-mails even arrive and just discovered I lost my Minecraft accounts lol.
I was lucky I had one of my minecraft cravings around this time.
Like most people, I ignore most of my emails from games, so I only found out about this a few weeks before the cut-off.
Remember: United, we bargain. Divided, we beg. ✊️
Same, I suddenly got the urge to play it like a week after the cutoff so I got a new account but it was STRESSFUL
Never heard that motto before. They tried to divide with bedrock and windows editions. Java still survived
you should not ignore and keep your email tidy
@@mariuszko10 wow, what a great idea, why didn't I think of that?
lol i literally found out thru this video but when i opened the launcher i found that my accounts had auto merged weirdly (i know i didn't do it on my own last time i played was 4 years ago)
I didn't even know that I lost my original java account until now. really unfortunate. I'm sure we all wish we could go back to the early days of mc and just enjoy life like we used to.
Same! D:
Same I just found out. Sad. My granddaughter is a huge fan so I figured we could play together. So now I find out my “alpha” account was never really an alpha account if they take it away.
@@erickmain Alpha accounts are even more valuable. Your contract with Mojang has no revision clause. Mojang can't deny you the grant that your EULA promises or force you to accept terms without your consent. Please contact the FTC and file a report. This is fraud and we need more people speaking out to get action.
I don’t mind the migration. But I don’t think they shouldn’t have ended the migration period. That should always be an option for old Mojang accounts until every mojang account has been migrated or a ridiculous amount of time has passed, like 20+ years.
mhm. why put a deadline
@@flufferpants4812 so they can force people who didn't migrate to buy the game again
Imagine losing all your memorybon a qcc you had
Imagine losing all your memory on a acc you had 🌌
I used to play a lot as a kid, now I decided to get into minecraft again to play with my friends but turns out I have to make a new account and pay for the game again. Shame on you, microsoft
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lets get this to the top boys!
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Don’t check his community posts😭
I bought MC in 2014 or 2015, then literally never played it. Around June of 2023 I happened to start playing the game, for a friend. After seeing this video I now realize how lucky I am to still have my account. When migrating, I didn't realize how big of a deal it was.
Do I hear a "Class Action Lawsuit"...?
do I hear a "1 Million dollars Compensation for the victims involved"...?
Oh nvm. I heard "case dismissed. mojang has not been found guilty."
aint a single person alive with enough money to sue microsoft that will willingly go to war over 30$ not happening unfortunately
@@townfuneral4564 elon musk 😂
"we have investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty."@@dmlsjsjsidishde
After this whole event I made it as a kid with my mom's email she passed. It took me forever finding all her stuff. I almost lost my account I stopped playing for years anyway because it was around COVID she died before hand anyway. I check back in and my account like glitching on my switch I had to make a new Microsoft account like it was inactive. She had a Yahoo email. I only found it through a old Facebook thread of her I had to figure out her passwords. I'm now 18 and I have totally lost that account and Minecraft barley runs on my switch but what funny is that it runs so much better on the 360. The failing to connect to Microsoft is so real with that.
This warrants a lawsuit if you ask me.
The problem is that for most people, a lawsuit will cost a lot more time, effort and money than a less than $30 game warrants. Just sucking it up and buying a new copy is faster, easier and cheaper. Microsoft and other companies of course are fully aware of this and so abuse the hell out of it.
Against microsoft? gl with that
But we all agreed to the arbitration clause in the terms of service. We'd never make it to court.
@@noahpiatt No, only US residents would have to go through arbitration. And you can opt out of Arbitration. It is your legal right to do so.
If you are in the US, always, always, always opt out. They don't make it easy to of course, but do so.
Yes @someoneelse8295 against Microsoft. What you think would be an easy win for them would be just a settlement on their end. They dont want to waste their time on small stuff and considering Mojangs EULA was violated by them it's a huge legal scandal that says "oh hey we took your money and we refuse to return it. But we'll happily take it again."
piracy is becoming more justified, one step at a time
edit: didn't expect this comment to have 4.6k likes and 69 replies
It has always been.
piracy is protesting if buying means renting
honestly, just dont use microsoft's services at all
bluds be cryin. losing acc on purpose and then whining and making video out of it AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA XDDDD
@@scoper7897 how to say you didn't get what the video said without saying that you didn't get what the video said
Microsoft is by far the worst company in handling accounts. I got a lot of my accounts hacked last year and luckily I was able to get most of them back EXCEPT for my Minecraft account that I had been using for the past 5 years. I talked for days with Microsoft support and they just gave up on me and told me to just "not get my account hacked in the future". What a terrible company
I agree with you bro
It's absurd that one of the "reasons" Microsoft presented for this Migratio process was increased account security. Anyone will agree that anecdotally, Microsoft accounts are orders of magnitude less secure than Mojang accoujts were. Not only are there FAR more ways for your account to be stolen, but also Microsoft accounts are nearly impossible to regain access to once stolen.
Google is as bad, except if you have an institutional/corporate google account. Then, they have extremely good support. Same for microsoft really, only corporate accounts get good service. The difference with microsoft is that contrary to google accounts, people with microsoft accounts are usually paying customers. Losing your data stored in the office 365 cloud YOU ARE CONTINUOUSLY PAYING FOR 100$ A YEAR because you did not connect for 2 years is insane.
Imagine losing a loved one to a long illness, and then not being able to recover the info they stored on their account, even though they gave you the password. It's an actually insane policy.
"Microsoft is by far the worst company"
Could just stop there.
theres a reason my microsoft password used to be 'fuckyoumicrosoft'
I lost my 13 years old account, i didn’t play since 2020 and didn’t know about this migration thing, i should have accses it when ever i want
me too take a break from a few years since 2020
and when i decided to check it is this... what a i see