Ranger Rogue Multiclass - Ultimate Guide for Dungeons and Dragons
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Rangers are martial survivalists, tough but with adaptable features and a touch of spellcasting for withstanding what the wilderness can throw at you. Rogues are masters of stealth and subterfuge, only plunging in the knife at opportune moments before disappearing back into the darkness. Put them together and you get a ghost, a legend of the forest that is only proven real as it slices an unsuspecting throat. Put some camo gear on and get ready for a long stakeout as we go through everything you need to know.
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Use the shadow marked elf race, take 5 levels of gloomstalker then 7 levels of Arcane Trickster and the rest in Gloom Stalker. Don't choose spells with attack rolls or DC's, enjoy the fact that your free spells from your expanded spell list has most of the spells you need. Find out that you only loose 2 half caster levels but get 4 cantrips and a fighting style in return. Take crossbow expert, sharpshooter and elven accuarcy. Choose Perception as your ranger expertise, choose crimimal as your background, end up with 6 skill proficincies (5 of which being expertises.) In this case taking 7 levels of rogue is justified for evasion and 4d6 of sneak attack. What you get is ranger that's better at rangering than a ranger and a Rogue thats better at rogue-ing than a Rogue. You also end up doing more damage than a Rogue or a gloomstalker. You do fall behind for a level at level 6 though.
Ranger/Rogue is one of my favorite Multiclassing combos. Favorite 2 Subclass combos are either the Gloomstalker Assassin as mentioned here or a Phantom Rogue up to a maximum level 9 and Drakewarden Ranger up to a Maximum Level of 11 while playing an Owlin, Tabaxi, or a Changeling.
I love rogue rangers! You get so many skill proficiencies. I’ve been running a swashbuckler and revised Beastmaster for over a year now. I took the magic initiate feat on a variant human for booming blade and find familiar. This mean I can usually get advantage from my owl familiar and get the free disengage to encourage the extra booming blade movement damage. Then your beast of the sky can bonus action attack. It’s a really fun build and you get to rp a bird obsessed pirate!
small note, archery is +2 to hit not damage.
I’ve been playing my Drow gloomstalker scout for a year.
Zephyr strike is a better concentration spell for me. I don’t even know hunters mark.
Elven accuracy and sharpshooter
I started at rogue, five levels Ranger. Now I’ll be all rogue
Hit points are always good but with scout and sharpshooter etc I don’t get hit very often.
What Rogue subclass? I'm thinking of Soulknife for myself, so I'm curious.
I've got a fun rogue ranger combo I don't think anyone has ever heard of, it's also arguably the most powerful. Beast Master Ranger 5 with the OG beast companion that has been made into a side kick, arcane trickster 15.
Tasha's added side kicks and no one ever talks about them. Any CR 1/2 that is friendly to ANY memeber of your party can become a side kick and the CR 1/4 beasts available to the BM ranger technically qualify. When you look into it more deeply this options is super powerful and your beast companion on it's own will be able to put out more damage some adventures on its own before adding the big damage the ranger rogue can do. Best part is the sidekick scales with the parties level rather than your ranger level so the beast will always get stronger and will be as reliable as a player character to stick around in any given combat.
I had an idea for a character who's a thief with a Raven companion who aids said character in stealing things and acts as a scout. They're also a skilled archer. A Ranger/Rogue multiclass was a perfect fit for such a character, giving them a 2nd level archery fighting style and 3rd Level Beast Master in addition to all the skills that a rogue would naturally come with.
I'll mention one I've built recently but have yet to test at a table. Scout Beast Master (the primal companion version obviously).
mostly ranger, 3 levels rogue.
Use a bow and archery fighting style (and sharpshooter as soon as you can get it, start with it if you get a feat) to attack from as far away as you can.
If the enemy does get into melee range, you've got skirmisher to move away asap.
The beast is great for reconnaissance, and once you hit 7th level in ranger you can use bonus action it to help, which gives you advantage to get those couple extra sneak attack points.
It also works thematically as a nature themed character. You're now the parties expert on nature and survival thanks to the subclass features, and still have all the other skills and expertise wherever you want them.
I'm playing a thief rogue and was looking for a multiclass to spice up the build a bit. Currently level 8 and gonna start going into ranger after level 9 and getting supreme sneak. A three point dip to get to Glooms Stalker really helps with the characters goal of being the best thief. The Darkvision is great and Dread Ambusher is useful for combat but it was really getting access to Disguise Self that sold me on it. The +2 to hit from the Archery fighting style will also be neat.
THANK YOU for using the Revised Ranger!
Most people just call the Ranger trash and move on.
I'm playing a Hunter/Scout right now. Five levels Ranger/Hunter (Colossus Slayer) and just took my first level as Rogue and am going all they way as a Scout. It's more of a rp decision to go Scout as I'm playing a Leonin. I have Zephyr Strike as one of my 1st level spells. Zip in, stab with a dagger, zip out, shoot with longbow for that extra d8. Cast Hunter's Mark next turn, and get the extra d6 on top of the d8 and sneak attack after employing Steady Aim. Should be fun and drive the DM crazy.
Contrary to popular belief, PHB Ranger is the martial that can do the most damage. Its features suck, but those are bad features on top of a broken chassis. Pure Gloomstalker is the single strongest martial class in the game in terms of the damage output. Bad white room optimizers only focus on weapon attacks with Hunter's Mark. *Hunter's Mark is a trap.* It is bad at any level past 5. You have so many better spells. You get access to Summon Woodland Creatures, you've broken every encounter's action economy and put out shocking damage with 8 CR 1/4 creatures. There is no martial class that over the course of an adventuring day with more than 2 challenging encounters can outdamage a Gloomstalker playing well.
Assassin is a trap. It annihilates trivial encounters, but most DMs aren't going to let you pull that off against their most important encounters. If you go Gloomstalker, you do *everything possible* to be attacking from areas of full darkness or from within your Rope Trick bunker above the battlefield. You are invisible and will already get advantage. You will not be using a Longbow, there's no advantage to it except to finish trivial encounters. You will be using a hand crossbow with CBE and Sharpshooter.
If you want the flavor of a Rogue multiclass, I'm right there with you. It's awesome. But I wouldn't go more than 1 level of Rogue. Your bonus action is spoken for by CBE. It owns your bonus action. You don't need Cunning Action to Hide or Disengage if you're playing well unless your DM has you fight in flat, featureless spaces. If you want the Rogue flavor, maybe try the Criminal or Urban Bounty Hunter backgrounds. Gloomstalker works best with a Battlemaster Fighter multiclass for Precision Attack for those encounters you can't leverage your unique powers relating to darkness to get your advantage.
It's worth noting that even if Wisdom isn't important for playing this multiclass, at least a 13 is required just to do it.
Im playing a Ranger gloomstalker with assassin rogue... it is just sooo much fun, got so many skills and expertise, crazy first turn and god forbid if you have surprised your enemy lol
Hunter with Horde Breaker is a great Combo with a rogue, getting two shots on first attack action really helps land sneak attack on one of them. Inquisitive benefits from any wisdom build.
Fey wanderer combos with the mastermind very well. Getting multiple attacks and a 30’ help on your bonus action is great!
Playing a Swarmkeeper Ranger right now and about to go Arcane Trickster Rogue for at least three levels. Thanks for these cool suggestions. That first build is a crazy combination!
That’s exactly what I’m doing too, currently ranger 5 rogue 2, can’t wait to pick up arcane trickster next level! Hope you have fun bro!
So excited to start next campaign! We are doing Icewind Dale and I have zero knowledge except it is cold and dark!
Going to be playing a Firbolg Gloomstalker Ranger / Assassin Rogue (later) - Invisibility, lots of plant/animal stuff and then invisible to darkvision seems amazing. Cant wait to start
I don't get why ppl still don't see the ranger for what it is. Ranger freaking rocks! I'm lvl 5 gloomstalker and now debating if I want to dip into rogue or fighter
I was contemplating a build with Hunter/phantom rouge with green flame blade that is attacking two enemies next to each other.
Hoard breaker works with green flame blade. so you sneak attack with GFB and hit the next opponent with HB, then use wails from the grave to add half sneak attack to them as well!
this is super cool until the DM spawns a dungeon where all the enemies are like 30 ft apart lol
Rangers and Rogues cheers each other at the pub all day. The two classes DMs tend to nerf in a game- working together. Of course we would share skills!
Gloom Assassin is really good for ambush assassination. I noticed that level 17 does not improve your sneak attack die and the capstone is meh. You can always take sharpshooter and one level in twilight domain cleric. Granting you a 300ft range to attack in total darkness. Your enemies are going to need more than luck and torches to find you.
I dip 2 into fighter after 15 just for Action Surge. Gloom Assassins are already a DM's nightmare. When you can do that nightmare again it gets weirder. Planescape levels though, devils see everything, so the Horizon Ranger takes the cake.
Archery fighting style is plus 2 to hit not damage. Unless it's changed in tashas Ranger
I'm building an Arcane Trickster/Beastmaster, Forest Gnome. 15 Rogue, 5 Ranger at max level.
The whole build may fall flat, but so far does okay in combat. There's some strong ranged attacking going on between: archer, xbow expert, sharpshooter, fade away, and sneak attack.
I can also leverage either beasts or familiars for help in skill-checks and routinely can produce north of 20 in: Sleight of Hand, Stealth, Investigation, and Animal Handling.
id go Bugbear for Long-limbed, sneaky, and Surprise Attack. (When you make a melee attack on your turn, your reach for it is 5 feet greater than normal. You are proficient in the Stealth skill. and If you surprise a creature and hit it with an attack on your first turn in combat, the attack deals an extra 2d6 damage to it. You can use this trait only once per combat.). Ranger (Hunter/Colossus Slayer) for the "When you hit a creature with a weapon attack, the creature takes an extra 1d8 damage if it’s below its hit point maximum. You can deal this extra damage only once per turn." and Rogue (Phantom) for Wails from the Grave. not sure on how well it would work but sounds fun lol
This is so well thought out. Learned a lot from this video - I need one of these for Bards. I feel like I do not play mine as well as I should.
Please let me know if you come across that video lol, I too am a lame bard lol.
In an upcoming level 14 one shot, my girlfriend are going to play goblin clones designed to be magical assassins. So we each take 7 levels of arcane trickster rogues. After that we escaped from the Izzet League Labs and we'll take 7 more different levels. I'm choosing beast master ranger, I've played a rogue before but not a ranger, wish me luck.
I’m playing a halfling ranger in my campaign and will multiclass into rogue when we level up next. I find halfling is a very good race for ranger rogue mainly because of the halfling luck
Ranger Rogue, i will be starting as this multi-class i nan op coming campaign. I took a different approach though. The fey subclass from ranger and multiple ways to gain expertise in these classes made this character an amazing candidate for social encounters. This fey subclass gives you a bonus to charisma checks equal to your wisdom mod. So i now have a +13 in my charisma checks which will get higher when i gain more levels
I recently made a Goblin Ranger/Rogue multiclass that I'm loving so far. Ranger is Swarmkeeper and Rogue will be going Mastermind. With the new class features, it gives me tons of Bonus Action options (Help at range if I need to move, Steady Aim if I don't need to move), which I prefer over not having the options even if it means I can't do everything each turn. With the added damage/utility of Swarmkeeper to move things around or deal more damage when hit, the extra damage from Goblins doing damage to bigger creatures, the built in Hunter's Mark that saves me a spell slot for something else (admittedly for a worse Hunter's Mark, but another spell is nice to have for utility), it makes for something that I can currently roll with advantage on any turn I really want to, or give advantage to someone else. That means I likely hit every turn, with sneak damage, as well as the extra 5 damage I can just tack on 3 times a day. It's been deadly in my game, especially since we had a Bracers of Archery lying around too. Add in the utility of the skills, and it's been a ton of fun.
this entire video gave me Liam PTSD from Crown of Candy
also. your swarmbuckler gave me the idea for a swarm ranger, necromancer wizard multiclass in which the swarm consists of a group of dead groupies of the famous PC or maybe dead spirits of the direct and extented family of a failed death cult
tabaxi ranger feat:gunner lvl7 rogue lvl1 so far. its working. turn a room of fish ppl into delicious sushi in 2 turns or less.
Currently thinking about multiclassing my scout Rogue into Ranger. Will propably take him to lvl 4 for the ASI to max out Dex and then take my next 3 levels in ranger
I am setting up my tiefling scout to multiclass in Gloomstalker. I want to try a speed based attacker.
Not sure if this has been pointed out but damage would be +3 not +5. Archery adds to hit not to damage. Small potatoes when you’re rolling that many dice though lol.
I wanted this because I have started reading rangers apprentice because I only finished the 2 book and I want to make one
5:31 Cunning Action is for Dash, Disengage, and Hide (and at 3rd level with TCE, Steady Aim). Bonus action Dodge is granted by the Monk's ki ability Patient Defense.
My fav multi class was a Assasin Rogue , Gloomstalker Ranger / Champion Fighter combo... all the way to 2oth.... was a massive threat in battle and overall unility in RP
What was the level mix ? I'm considering a Wood Elf Assassin/ Gloom stalker..
the current game we play is a goblin horde, each party member is a goblinoid, i started with bug bear rogue but as it was so combat heavy i added ranger to toughen up a bit, i now have a level 8 swashunter, i took archery then swapped it out for 2 weapons when i got steady aim, so i do 1d8 rapier, 1d8 colossal slayer, 2d6 sneak attack and either 1d6 hunters mark or 1d4 favoured foe and 1d6 scimitar on the off hand if i don't want to move as a bonus action, plus bugbear gives a 2d6 surprise attack bonus and similar ranged apart from 1d6 short bow rather than rapier, making me a well rounded character providing scouting, entry, shock assault and fire support for the party as well as limited healer and provisioner with cure wounds and good berry
Love this combo!
I was trying something similar?
Had 3 in Gloom Stalker Ranger,
6 in Shadow Monk (teleporting 60ft as bonus action),
& the rest in Rogue (probably Swashbuckler).
This was built for a "Grimdark" setting using Ravenloft & similar Domains of Dread.
Assassin 5 lbs and make sure you’re a drow to take advantage of those shadows and remember kids.. keep those edges edgy
I love your builds!
Thanks so much!
The Swarmkeeper Ranger is a great class. I did a 4 level dip into Swarmkeeper on a Way of Mercy Monk build and that push came in handy on many occasions.
Thanks for the excellent breakdown!
Thanks, appreciate it! What did you name your character?
Ummmmm... oh yeah... that was a Changling that went by The Soothing Fist. Went with a whole butterfly theme and with the folk hero background were known to help those in need wherever they went. Also made inventory management easier since they gave away most of their loot.
a bit of an odd combo, i have a rogue scout/echo knight combo i am working on. mostly did it for the extra attack and then realized i can get advantage with my echo since a target needs to be engaged for me to get sneak attack.
Build idea: MacGuyver/A-Team - 2 levels Knowledge Domain Cleric, at least 6 levels any Artificer class. KDC channel divinity grants proficiency in any toolset for 10 mins, Artificer Tool expertise gives double prof bonus/expertise in any known toolset. Queue up ‘80s build montage music and get building.
Really, really, love this idea.
One possible character I have is a bounty hunter that combines Gloomstalker with Assassin. A Ranger/Rogue that can track and infiltrate in and outside cities to find his marks, and eliminate them for money.
I built a gloomstalker rogue multiclass. Not too fancy of course. I’m still debating what I wanted to take for the third level of rogue and I’m early enough into the campaign that I’m waiting until 5th level for the two attacks for ranger before increasing rogue again. That’s the next class I’ll take upon level up, more ranger. I have debated the Trickster rogue because shield sounds amazing but my intelligence is only average so unless I get the right magic item (headband of intellect) I may not take that. Big maybe. Assassin sounds good but so does scout. Rogue is very compatible I find with ranger, especially gloomstalkers. My character is also drow so his range of darkvision is really maximized for his class and let’s him get the most out of his range with a bow.
I feel assassin is more one trick pony and scout is better. Better role play stuff with expertise in nature and survival and the ability to bounce away when someone gets to you is super useful
So I am currently playing a Ranger/Rogue character and I am really befuddled that you omitted the two best races for both classes. For roleplaying options I think that the Changeling is the most versatile and fun, especially as a Rogue. For min/maxing and best game mechanics advantage, I went with the Bugbear for the win. The combo of Bugbear with Gloom stalker Ranger is an unbeatable combo as far as I am concerned. I muliticlassed from Ranger to Rogue at 5th level as the Ranger benefits after 4th level seemed to wane when compared to what the Rogue gets going forward. Anyway that's my 2 cents.
I need to hire you to craft my rogue/ranger build for BG3 at release, you are a font of knowledge.
I’m currently leveling a Gloomstalker ranger/scout rogue as a bounty hunter type. Plan to do 15 levels of Gloomstalker and 5 levels of Scout
You meant to say hide instead of dodge for Cunning Action options.
Good vid tho
Sorcadin. Sorcerer/Paladin. Takes a while to really come online, but when it does, it's insane. Quickening spells and then following up with a few melee attacks? Yessir. First turn, Quicken Haste, make 3 attacks. Second turn quicken fireball, make 3 attacks. If anything is still alive after that... Well your DM might just be messing with you lol.
Interesting video. Kind of a funny fact. I just used a character builder app and made a kenku gloom assassin.
Wish they would fix monks to be better. I'm making a Arcane trickster rogue/Horizon walker
Gloomstalker (best for multiclassing) + Soulknives. . .
Thanks for this layong out all the benefits i thibk ill go for it as i want to make a character whos a bit older and walks with a cane maybe owns a decrepit mansion like an old batman but when shit gets real its all put on as hes actually super agile
The Ambush Phantom Stalker, 5 ranger for extra attack, 2 fighter for action surge, the rest in Phantom Rogue. Get dex to 20, take custom lineage for elven accuracy and pick up sharp shooter after dex 20. First round of combat making 6 shots all with triple advantage and +10 to damage is mean.
You cannot take elven accuracy with custom lineage.
Right now I’m playing a goblin ranger lvl 1 ant 3 I’m going to go into gloomstalker and and am looking for good ideas to make it the best I can as a unseen darkness killer
I'm looking at a Gloom Stalker\ Arcane Trickster Multi Class. Debating on if I should leave ranger at 5th level or 6th. I'm going for a stealth archer who has access to low level utility spells and isn't terrible in melee with a rapier and shield. Looking to pick spells that don't require high INT or WIS so I can prioritize DEX, then CON and WIS.
Currently playing a Yuan-ti gloomstalker(5)/rogue(2), who dual wields a rapier and a carrion crawler tentacle whip (look it up, crazy fun weapon). Thinking about going with a swashbuckling build to maximize movement and flavor, but assassin is very tempting. Thoughts on either idea?
im doing a 1 shot gloom assassin 5 levels ranger 3 rouge and i added sharpshooter cause i have a dumb to hit bonus rarely missing so from hiding in the dark while invisible most every dm ive had rules that to be a surprise making it a crit so 2d8+5+10 for the bow and sharp 4d6 for crit sneak 2d8 dread ambusher and if ive used hunter another 2d6 on the first hit hit the second enemy to do the same thing as they would be surpirsed still and repeatable basically every other turn once you rehide minus the dread ambusher
The Swarm for the Swarmkeeper/Swashbuckler has to be Parrots.
archery plus 2 to hit not plus 2 damage
My "Crazy-Clerc" build (14 13 16 13 13 10) : lv1 Forge Cleric, lv2 C1 Mage1, (shield of faith+shield+forge bonus to AC>22-29), lv3 C1 M1 Ranger1, lv4 C1 M1 R2 >defense +1 AC, lv5 C1 M1 Ranger 3 Gloom or Hunter, lv6 C1 M1 R4 +2 strenght, Lv7 C1 M1 R5 Extra, lv8 C1 M2 R5 War magic, lv9 C1 M3 R5 (Blur,misty step), lv10 C1 M3 R5 Fighter1 duelling dmg+2, Now we could go to mage 2 level > Asi + Haste +2AC, or fighter 3 level (surge, Echo fighter, Asi) but at level 15 : C1 M5 R5 F4.
Now a choice, continue with Cleric or mage or even ranger or even but make not much sense fighter artificier or rogue...
Note that you could also take sorcerer with charisme. But the choice of spell make it less utility.
Hum, finally it could be even more fun to go charisma and take 2 lv of Paladin ! Doing a Clerc Sorcerer Ranger Paladin Fighter with 4 low level spell type and smite !)
Looking at the gloom assassin, is it not worth going 5 in ranger for the extra attack?
I am currently playing a ranger/rogue and dear lord is it good. The character is only level 5 and has a persuasion of 14! I am playing a Feywanderer ranger with currently only 1 level in rogue. I am probably going to go with scout rogue cause that fits the build I am going for.
What’s their name?
@@SkullSplitter Rozel Thornbed. The race is variant human.
Nice!
3:20 with 6 ranger levels deft explorer has its upgrade. not 5
I went gloom scout to get half of the skill proficiencies available
What if I am looking for optimized exploration (ability to cover terrain quickly), and optimized stealth (to either move outdoors, or sneak through dungeons undetected), but not necessarily looking for optimizing combat abilities?
I need as much exploration ability and sneakiness as possible.
Expertise in stealth, maybe throw in survival and acrobatics. Mobility feat. Those are two easy ones. Hope this helps!
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I was originally thinking, class wise, some sort of Ranger/Rogue/Druid multiclass.
That way with wild shape, getting into otherwise inaccessible areas in a variety of terrains or even infiltration for the purpose of pure recon might be easier.
Could be for intelligence gathering on enemies, or even just exploring new areas.
3:29 Be warned, hunters mark is actually not very good. You will get a lot more value out of using many other concentration spells. Also, the favored foe feature is mostly just good for crossbow expert builds (or if something else is eating your bonus actions, like cunning actions for example) since it doesn't take any kind of action to activate. Basically you should use favored foe or a different concentration spell and never use hunter's mark
There’s a problem.. dread ambusher is a melee ability. Use, improved init, charger and one handed fighting style… use a rapier or elven long blade, that is a long sword with the finess ability instead of two handed for flavor, be a drow for edge, use 3 lv ranger gloomstalker, 5 lv rogue assassin, and then go monk way of the shadow at least 6 lvs.. make sure you invest in a pair of dark lens spectacles, these intricate light mithril frames with obsidian glass lenses prevent light sensitivity and can only be removed by the wearer, designed for drow edge lords that gotta spread the swag to the surface.. keep caltrops and throwing knives for zoning with the darkness spell. Also a useful tip for rookies, use the disguise spell to disguise your probably black cloths to match the same as the shadows around you, go ahead and put a shinobi hood on that for added edge and reap the benefits of taking the guise of a shadow in shadows.. they better give you at least +10 to stealth in dim or dark areas if not invisible and the opposite in light. Keep sticky pads to pass to your dm to occasionally frighten your teammates and remember kids… keep those edges edgy!
8:50 not exactly. You gain advantage on any creature that "hasn't taken a turn in combat yet," so you have to win initiative against it, or your attack must instigate combat before rolling initiative, because even if a creature is surprised, it still "takes a turn" doing nothing. SEPARATELY, if a creature is "surprised" (which pits the target's Perception check against your Stealth check) you gain the benefits of a crit _if_ you hit it.
So:
- Even if you surprise a creature, if that creature rolled better on initiative, it becomes no longer "surprised" before your first turn, so no auto-crit then
- If you do attack a surprised creature before it gets a turn, you don't automatically score the hit. If your attack roll comes out below the target's AC (which yes is unlikely due to advantage), you still miss and don't get to roll any damage dice