Hey I say you did a pretty good job explaining the situation, there are some holes, based only on what I heard Script Trooper. You pretty much nailed it with Lucas with a few issues. But yeah nice job.
Timothy Zahn had a talk with George Lucas before writing the books. Tom Veitch wanted to clone Vader. George nixed that and let him use the Emperor instead. So something doesn't track. George flipped back and forth on making more films. In older interviews, he teased Luke getting a girl. He also asked Mark Hammill to come back when he was older as a mentor role. I think he changed his mind about Luke getting married after his divorce. But I do think it was less about disliking Mara specifically, and changing his ideas about Jedi and marriage.
@BigdogGaming-sm3lj On this particular point, he disconnected from a lot of fans for portraying human connection as some kind of negative, while the stories themselves show it as essential. This why people love Luke so much, because he embodies the importance of connection and not pure detachment.
GL did not hate Mara. He only disliked certain aspects of her, mainly that they dressed her up in skin tight leather which was a 90's fad. He also changed his opinions on jedi marriage sometime between the development of ep1 and ep2. I have an extensive video about mara jade and GL on my channel.
I think he didn’t care about Mara Jade much considering the second set of books where Luke and Mare got married. And I totally agree with GL about cloning the Emperor, it was still stupid in 91 and still stupid in The Rise of the fake Skywalker
I think he might have a different opinion on Luke's marriage now. The reason he didn't like Jedi being married in the first place is because of his own divorce. But he got remarried about 13 years ago, so that may have rekindled his faith in marriage.
Let's just say Lucas tolerated EU existence ,until it doesn't contradicted his own work on the series and gladly gave advice to some of the writers. on the other hand when Lucas wrote the prequels, he just ignored everything he didn't like it.We can say it was some sort of " secondary canon".
@@alessandrolenares8563 Lucasfilm had a tiered canon system. G-canon: George's films C-canon: Post Zahn books and comics S-canon: Pre-Zahn Marvel comics, Droids and Ewok cartoons And not canon: ( what if type stories) Later they introduced T-canon: The Clone Wars (and Rebels) I think fans made it clear they wanted continuity after making the mistake of letting Dark Empire and the Thrawn trilogy come out simultaneously. DE was pushed back in the timeline to fit them together. Lucas had them leave the timeline clear for his prequels. So while a few details need retconing/spackle. They weren't major changes. There were various articles in the Star Wars insider and reference material to fit things back together. T-canon is where it started falling apart. I tend to blame Filoni. He claimed to be an EU fan, but he was an absolute wrecking ball when it came to continuity. Taking the names of thing from C-canon and sticking them in his cartoons but done wrong. I can halfway understand why they decided to reboot, but not dropping T-canon from the timeline was a huge mistake. (They could have still brought back elements or characters without tying themselves to space whales and wrong eyed Thrawn.)
Yes, he did or he wouldn't have said that the books was part of his Star Wars. Obviously I don't believe he loved all of it, but if he didn't like it he wouldn't have mentioned it after his movies, pretty much insinuating that at least some of the books are canon to his vision of Star Wars.
1) Why does it matter that Mara Jade appeared before Lucas got involved? All she was at the time was a female character with potential in the force. She wanted to kill Luke at the time. Lucas clearly signed off on later content with Mara Jade including her marrying Luke. Mara wasn't much different than 50 other female characters until she married Luke. 2) There is no evidence Lucas hates Mara. The skit came about because Lucas stated that his version of the sequels wouldn't have Luke getting married or Emperor Palpatine coming back. Fans filled in all the gaps and came up with theories on how Lucas then hated Mara. The skit is making fun of those fans. Lucas was trolling the fans that put words into his mouth. Zhan's version of the sequels also didn't have Luke getting married or Palpatine coming back. Both of those were afterwards (Mara married Luke ten years after the Thrawn Trilogy). Lucas stated when pushed by the interviewer on Luke's love life that he did not say Luke wouldn't have love interests but only that his version of Luke wouldn't get married. Luke had lots of love interests in the books. Lucas had as a central theme of both of his trilogies some love interest. Lucas did want Luke to take the celibate Monk path at the end of the day, but this was just his flavor of Luke. A preference doesn't mean he hates other story ideas. 3) Lucas wasn't against cloning. He's the one that introduced it in Star Wars. He was against the emperor coming back. He later was against ANY darksider coming back from the dead and any darkside force ghosts. The darkside was supposed to corrupt and destroy the individual and deny them ascension to a higher plane. Yes, there were some darkside force ghosts early in the EU but Lucas was later against those. The Mortis Arc in The Clone Wars TV show had a darkside force ghost part that added context but Lucas axed it because he didn't think darksiders should come back like that. The Emperor coming back also undoes Luke and Anakin's victory. Sidious said Plageius was able to get midiclorians to create life in his prequels which is essentially cloning. Cloning to prolong darksider's lives was most likely something Lucas was a fan of. Darksiders coming back from the dead wasn't. Interacting from beyond the grave was supposed to be mystical and a lightside ability gained by becoming one with the force.
I always thought Palpatine coming back was literally the worst plot point of old EU. The fact we have people saying dumb stuff like "oh but it was tastefully done before, unlike J.J. Abrahams take on it it was... blah... blah...". No it was not. It was stupid. And it is hillarious its so defended now, when it has always sucked. The sequels are trash. But even when they tried to appease fans, they took the worst of the EU, and the fans couldnt accept how terrible it has always been. So I am glad to see Lucas thinks its cringe.
To quote people that debunk Professor Hulk defenders when they bring up he's from the comics: "Not everything from the comics was good." It was dumb in the 90s and it was still bad in 2019, only difference was that J.J didn’t even bother even hinting he’s a clone nor how he returned (nor how this time was for real).
@@ymck7246 DE and Legacy of the Force were the lowest point in the EU. Disney somehow merged those two stories together and managed them much worse. LotF is a dumpster fire of stupid and out of character decisions to make the plot happen... but it's Tolstoy next to the sequels. Prequels had lots of flaws, but Shakespeare next to the sequels. By comparison DE is better then "somehow", and it gave us Anakin Solo who became my favorite character. But yeah cloning the Emperor was not great. I do think there was a reference somewhere in the OT novelization to Palpatine planning a thousand year reign, which made a bit more palatable that he had a plan to live 1000 years... And it came long before the whole "Chosen One" nonsense. According to Veitch, he had wanted to clone Vader and George told him to use Palpatine instead. I think George went back and forth constantly on making more films, and just regretted that decision after DE came out. He had thought of it as just silly comic, and then realized people were taking it as the next chapter in his story. Particularly after the popularity of Heir to the Empire.
I was so excited when Timothy Zahn's StarWars novels came out. I was hooked. After that, started reading Dark Horse StarWars Dark Empire comicbooks. Which I still have. Another favorite was The Courtship of Princess Leia.
I feel there are only a few stinkers in the EU line-up. Two stories come to mind & they sorta stink because they deviate from the formula & go into some odd science-fictional directions that SW doesn't need to go. TCoP was really good, as was the 'Jedi Academy Trilogy,' 'Darksaber.' Great stuff.
You know what's really ironic about all of this? I think that having Luke married to Mara in Disney's canon would have gone a long way to fixing the sequel trilogy, specifically in regards to Luke almost killing Ben when he saw his future (which doesn't make a lick of sense, since Luke has already learned the hard way that "Always in Motion the Future is". and that noting he would have seen in his potential future would have influenced him to just kill he nephew) but what if it wasn't something he was going to do that Luke saw, but rather something he had already done? Just like Jacen Solo in the old EU, have it where Ben's journey towards Darkness led him to a confrontation with Mara that resulted in her death, and then he framed someone else for the murder, an individual that Luke might have hunted down and killed in anger, an incident that got him dangerously close to falling to the dark side. since Ben is just discount Jacen Solo anyway, why not barrow from the better story. so when Luke sees this, he almost strikes out in anger, only to stop himself just in time, unfortunately Ben wakes up and the rest is history.
Michael A Stackpole (an old EU author) said that Zahn talked with George Lucas before writing the Heir to the Empire, also something as big as Luke getting married was depended on George says ''yes'' or ''no'' to it. And it's a known thing that Lucas showed Zahn RPG stuff so he could write his books in accordance with the rules of the universe. And Zahn said that he originally conceptualized Noghti warriors as the Sith, and Darth Vader was their Lord, so he was the Sith Lord, but George didn't allowed it and he turned them into Noghri. He also said that he had a vision about what Clone Wars was, but again, George didn't allowed him because of the obvious reasons, so Zahn told about Clone Wars very surface level in the books. In short, behind the scenes history of the EU is complicated as hell.
Since it’s part of the EU, Ewoks The Battle For Endor(1985) is a masterpiece and Cindel, played by Aubree Miller is a better written female character than Rey Palpatine. Change my mind. And Wilford Brimley was GOLD!
Actually I believe it began with the role playing game in 1987, but that utilized a lot of vehicles, characters and ideas that maybe weren't utilized in the actual movies. And while I didn't really consider everything canon and I just simply considered it was adding more to the lore or to the idea of what made me happy.
Dave and George are much alike in regards to how they view Star Wars. That is ofc THEIR version of Star Wars no matter how weird and confusing they would make it. At least with George we tend to ease off a bit because at the end of the day Star Wars is his creation. But there comes a point one has to look back and be like “damn this dude did it better”. As long as it keeps the foundation unshaken you do you. Unlike good old Dave who does take some steps forward but then proceeds to take several steps back.
The EU was awesome! Mara Jade should have been in the Sequels. Well if it had great writing that is. But Palpatine being cloned either way, was just stupid and weird.
You know what, I think is funny even though George Lucas didn't like the Mara Jade character, she did become a fan favorite from a lot of Star Wars fans .. In my opinion, I thought, that it was really a great idea to hav Luke Skywalker married to her it showed a great dynamic storyline between two characters in the books...
Haven't watched the full vid yet but wanted to clarify the Tom Veitch and bringing back the Emperor. Veitch was kind of known to exaggerate or tell tall tales -- parts of the interview here: Tom Veitch is known to either exaggerate or tell tall tales. This interview here: ruclips.net/video/R19qQCyhodo/видео.html (the one with publishing director Lucy Wilson) confirm that George was apparently never on board with idea to bring back the Emperor. Veitch also said that Lucas read hs novel "Lightrider" which he most certainly didn't.
I see so many argue that he didn't, even when presented with the facts and evidence. I don't think I'll ever get through to some people when it comes to this topic.
Dark Empire I II and Empires End were some of Favorite and earliest comic after splinters, before Tales or Heir ever existed as comics, and eventually when Thrawn trilogy also later ON was adapted to comic form I liked those as well. 3 decades later I felt just like everyone else with thinking JJ Abrams as piece human trash and everyone hates what he did. I never heard a single person complain the emperor being cloned before those sequal abominations movies... which existed even more than decade before the prequels..nor did I hear anyone ever complain about the KOTORs doing entire historical lores of other emperors extending their life through similar means. but I have to say all the Zahn trilogy fans coming out after JJ and shitting on Dark Empire (not even mentioning Zahn & Faloni Thrawn revision BS now) makes me NOT like the Thrawn trilogies anymore.. at all.. ill take Kam Kennedy, Tom Veitch & Andersons stories over anything Zahn puts to paper and his petty fans have just made me more adamant.
Does it matter when Disney Star Wars is not canon. They can move the Expanded Universe into Legends and discontinue the true canon, but no one takes Disney Star Wars seriously, or respects it as actual real Star Wars.
the body of authors that created the EU i think made star wars what it is. whether lucas knows it or not. star wars went 16 years between return of the jedi and phantom menace. something had to give it staying power during that time. without the comics novels and the newly emerging medium of video games nobody would have cared about star wars by 1999.
I know I will probably be shunned by saying that but I recommend everyone to try the high republic. Its a good quality writing initiative I've seen compared to the new jedi order in legends. If you want to give it a chance read light of the jedi first and then into the dark(because there are a lot of characters in the first book which some like me could not enjoy that much and the second one only has a few)
So I prefer the EU over Disney Star Wars, and I know a bit about all this with the EU. Lucas basically did consider it a separate universe from his own, which is fine. I disagree with him that Luke should have been celebate like a monk, but I was always a fan or Mara Jade and her marrying Luke. When it comes to the cloning of Palpatine, I think they of course did it better, and liked the concept that cloning Forcer Users isn't perfect at all. Lucas didn't like Mara Jade because she was going to with Luke, which went against his canon. He did criticize her initial design saying she looked too much like a model from a magazine. But overall he was ok with her. For me as a Star Wars fan, Star Wars officially ends with. Visions of the Future.
It doesn't matter if he loved it or hated it. There were rules for the EU set out by Lucasfilm and lucas himself. So stories were approved. That makes it 1000x more approved than anything disneyWars has done. I will never forgive them for tossing away, GTFO with that 'legends' BS.
Disney sucks but so much things on the EU stinks. Leia training in the Force, the Vong frickin sucks, Mara Jade is a nothing character, the clone of Palpatine originated from there. The best thing in EU is Plagueis and Bane, most of it sucks Sarlacc booty
Hey I say you did a pretty good job explaining the situation, there are some holes, based only on what I heard Script Trooper. You pretty much nailed it with Lucas with a few issues. But yeah nice job.
I did my best, thank you.
The EU rocks; Disney Star Wars sucks!
It sucks my hairy butt hole!!!
Timothy Zahn had a talk with George Lucas before writing the books. Tom Veitch wanted to clone Vader. George nixed that and let him use the Emperor instead. So something doesn't track.
George flipped back and forth on making more films. In older interviews, he teased Luke getting a girl. He also asked Mark Hammill to come back when he was older as a mentor role.
I think he changed his mind about Luke getting married after his divorce. But I do think it was less about disliking Mara specifically, and changing his ideas about Jedi and marriage.
I think his entire idea about marriage was burned for a good handful of years.
But I'm in the posse that loves Luke+Mara. Good times.
As he gotten older his point of view about his story changed. That's how true artist minds work.That is why he was able to connect with us as fans.
@BigdogGaming-sm3lj On this particular point, he disconnected from a lot of fans for portraying human connection as some kind of negative, while the stories themselves show it as essential. This why people love Luke so much, because he embodies the importance of connection and not pure detachment.
GL did not hate Mara. He only disliked certain aspects of her, mainly that they dressed her up in skin tight leather which was a 90's fad. He also changed his opinions on jedi marriage sometime between the development of ep1 and ep2. I have an extensive video about mara jade and GL on my channel.
I think he didn’t care about Mara Jade much considering the second set of books where Luke and Mare got married. And I totally agree with GL about cloning the Emperor, it was still stupid in 91 and still stupid in The Rise of the fake Skywalker
I think he might have a different opinion on Luke's marriage now. The reason he didn't like Jedi being married in the first place is because of his own divorce. But he got remarried about 13 years ago, so that may have rekindled his faith in marriage.
Let's just say Lucas tolerated EU existence ,until it doesn't contradicted his own work on the series and gladly gave advice to some of the writers. on the other hand when Lucas wrote the prequels, he just ignored everything he didn't like it.We can say it was some sort of " secondary canon".
@@alessandrolenares8563 Lucasfilm had a tiered canon system.
G-canon: George's films
C-canon: Post Zahn books and comics
S-canon: Pre-Zahn Marvel comics, Droids and Ewok cartoons
And not canon: ( what if type stories)
Later they introduced T-canon: The Clone Wars (and Rebels)
I think fans made it clear they wanted continuity after making the mistake of letting Dark Empire and the Thrawn trilogy come out simultaneously. DE was pushed back in the timeline to fit them together.
Lucas had them leave the timeline clear for his prequels. So while a few details need retconing/spackle. They weren't major changes. There were various articles in the Star Wars insider and reference material to fit things back together.
T-canon is where it started falling apart. I tend to blame Filoni. He claimed to be an EU fan, but he was an absolute wrecking ball when it came to continuity. Taking the names of thing from C-canon and sticking them in his cartoons but done wrong.
I can halfway understand why they decided to reboot, but not dropping T-canon from the timeline was a huge mistake. (They could have still brought back elements or characters without tying themselves to space whales and wrong eyed Thrawn.)
Yes, he did or he wouldn't have said that the books was part of his Star Wars. Obviously I don't believe he loved all of it, but if he didn't like it he wouldn't have mentioned it after his movies, pretty much insinuating that at least some of the books are canon to his vision of Star Wars.
Well said.
1) Why does it matter that Mara Jade appeared before Lucas got involved? All she was at the time was a female character with potential in the force. She wanted to kill Luke at the time. Lucas clearly signed off on later content with Mara Jade including her marrying Luke. Mara wasn't much different than 50 other female characters until she married Luke.
2) There is no evidence Lucas hates Mara. The skit came about because Lucas stated that his version of the sequels wouldn't have Luke getting married or Emperor Palpatine coming back. Fans filled in all the gaps and came up with theories on how Lucas then hated Mara. The skit is making fun of those fans. Lucas was trolling the fans that put words into his mouth. Zhan's version of the sequels also didn't have Luke getting married or Palpatine coming back. Both of those were afterwards (Mara married Luke ten years after the Thrawn Trilogy). Lucas stated when pushed by the interviewer on Luke's love life that he did not say Luke wouldn't have love interests but only that his version of Luke wouldn't get married. Luke had lots of love interests in the books. Lucas had as a central theme of both of his trilogies some love interest. Lucas did want Luke to take the celibate Monk path at the end of the day, but this was just his flavor of Luke. A preference doesn't mean he hates other story ideas.
3) Lucas wasn't against cloning. He's the one that introduced it in Star Wars. He was against the emperor coming back. He later was against ANY darksider coming back from the dead and any darkside force ghosts. The darkside was supposed to corrupt and destroy the individual and deny them ascension to a higher plane. Yes, there were some darkside force ghosts early in the EU but Lucas was later against those. The Mortis Arc in The Clone Wars TV show had a darkside force ghost part that added context but Lucas axed it because he didn't think darksiders should come back like that. The Emperor coming back also undoes Luke and Anakin's victory. Sidious said Plageius was able to get midiclorians to create life in his prequels which is essentially cloning. Cloning to prolong darksider's lives was most likely something Lucas was a fan of. Darksiders coming back from the dead wasn't.
Interacting from beyond the grave was supposed to be mystical and a lightside ability gained by becoming one with the force.
I don’t think he hates much of any of it. I do wonder how much of it he would have put on screen though.
I always thought Palpatine coming back was literally the worst plot point of old EU. The fact we have people saying dumb stuff like "oh but it was tastefully done before, unlike J.J. Abrahams take on it it was... blah... blah...". No it was not. It was stupid. And it is hillarious its so defended now, when it has always sucked.
The sequels are trash. But even when they tried to appease fans, they took the worst of the EU, and the fans couldnt accept how terrible it has always been.
So I am glad to see Lucas thinks its cringe.
To quote people that debunk Professor Hulk defenders when they bring up he's from the comics: "Not everything from the comics was good."
It was dumb in the 90s and it was still bad in 2019, only difference was that J.J didn’t even bother even hinting he’s a clone nor how he returned (nor how this time was for real).
@@ymck7246 DE and Legacy of the Force were the lowest point in the EU. Disney somehow merged those two stories together and managed them much worse. LotF is a dumpster fire of stupid and out of character decisions to make the plot happen... but it's Tolstoy next to the sequels. Prequels had lots of flaws, but Shakespeare next to the sequels.
By comparison DE is better then "somehow", and it gave us Anakin Solo who became my favorite character.
But yeah cloning the Emperor was not great. I do think there was a reference somewhere in the OT novelization to Palpatine planning a thousand year reign, which made a bit more palatable that he had a plan to live 1000 years...
And it came long before the whole "Chosen One" nonsense. According to Veitch, he had wanted to clone Vader and George told him to use Palpatine instead.
I think George went back and forth constantly on making more films, and just regretted that decision after DE came out. He had thought of it as just silly comic, and then realized people were taking it as the next chapter in his story. Particularly after the popularity of Heir to the Empire.
I was so excited when Timothy Zahn's StarWars novels came out. I was hooked. After that, started reading Dark Horse StarWars Dark Empire comicbooks. Which I still have. Another favorite was The Courtship of Princess Leia.
I feel there are only a few stinkers in the EU line-up. Two stories come to mind & they sorta stink because they deviate from the formula & go into some odd science-fictional directions that SW doesn't need to go.
TCoP was really good, as was the 'Jedi Academy Trilogy,' 'Darksaber.' Great stuff.
I don't really care. Those books say Lucasfilm on them. That is my star wars
OT/PT/EU Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Modern Disney/Modern Lucasfilm Star Wars and the ST.
Don't forget Clone Wars micro series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TCW
You know what's really ironic about all of this? I think that having Luke married to Mara in Disney's canon would have gone a long way to fixing the sequel trilogy, specifically in regards to Luke almost killing Ben when he saw his future (which doesn't make a lick of sense, since Luke has already learned the hard way that "Always in Motion the Future is". and that noting he would have seen in his potential future would have influenced him to just kill he nephew) but what if it wasn't something he was going to do that Luke saw, but rather something he had already done? Just like Jacen Solo in the old EU, have it where Ben's journey towards Darkness led him to a confrontation with Mara that resulted in her death, and then he framed someone else for the murder, an individual that Luke might have hunted down and killed in anger, an incident that got him dangerously close to falling to the dark side. since Ben is just discount Jacen Solo anyway, why not barrow from the better story. so when Luke sees this, he almost strikes out in anger, only to stop himself just in time, unfortunately Ben wakes up and the rest is history.
Star Wars has one continuity. Its Episodes 1-6 and the Expanded Universe.
Michael A Stackpole (an old EU author) said that Zahn talked with George Lucas before writing the Heir to the Empire, also something as big as Luke getting married was depended on George says ''yes'' or ''no'' to it.
And it's a known thing that Lucas showed Zahn RPG stuff so he could write his books in accordance with the rules of the universe. And Zahn said that he originally conceptualized Noghti warriors as the Sith, and Darth Vader was their Lord, so he was the Sith Lord, but George didn't allowed it and he turned them into Noghri. He also said that he had a vision about what Clone Wars was, but again, George didn't allowed him because of the obvious reasons, so Zahn told about Clone Wars very surface level in the books.
In short, behind the scenes history of the EU is complicated as hell.
Since it’s part of the EU, Ewoks The Battle For Endor(1985) is a masterpiece and Cindel, played by Aubree Miller is a better written female character than Rey Palpatine. Change my mind.
And Wilford Brimley was GOLD!
Yes he did
The topic could use a 10-hour-video, but a short one that may paint a short picture about it is fun as well.
💯👍
Actually I believe it began with the role playing game in 1987, but that utilized a lot of vehicles, characters and ideas that maybe weren't utilized in the actual movies. And while I didn't really consider everything canon and I just simply considered it was adding more to the lore or to the idea of what made me happy.
George Lucas helped to select the live actor model for Mara Jade done for publiclity.
Dave and George are much alike in regards to how they view Star Wars. That is ofc THEIR version of Star Wars no matter how weird and confusing they would make it. At least with George we tend to ease off a bit because at the end of the day Star Wars is his creation. But there comes a point one has to look back and be like “damn this dude did it better”. As long as it keeps the foundation unshaken you do you. Unlike good old Dave who does take some steps forward but then proceeds to take several steps back.
The EU was awesome! Mara Jade should have been in the Sequels. Well if it had great writing that is. But Palpatine being cloned either way, was just stupid and weird.
I always thought that he was always open with the EU, as long money comes out of it and not having any involvement with "his" movies.
I don’t know how you can love something you don’t care about
George regrets selling his baby to Disney. We all do.
He liked Darth talon.
I think that’s about it
You know what, I think is funny even though George Lucas didn't like the Mara Jade character, she did become a fan favorite from a lot of Star Wars fans .. In my opinion, I thought, that it was really a great idea to hav Luke Skywalker married to her it showed a great dynamic storyline between two characters in the books...
He did. He just loved money more.
He was all about that money since 1983. He got rich then lazy.
I don't understand. I thought Lucas was the one to come up with Palpatine being cloned because he hated the idea of cloning Darth Vader.
Haven't watched the full vid yet but wanted to clarify the Tom Veitch and bringing back the Emperor. Veitch was kind of known to exaggerate or tell tall tales -- parts of the interview here: Tom Veitch is known to either exaggerate or tell tall tales. This interview here: ruclips.net/video/R19qQCyhodo/видео.html (the one with publishing director Lucy Wilson) confirm that George was apparently never on board with idea to bring back the Emperor. Veitch also said that Lucas read hs novel "Lightrider" which he most certainly didn't.
Money Talks.....
Passion for good storytelling, honestly.
I see so many argue that he didn't, even when presented with the facts and evidence. I don't think I'll ever get through to some people when it comes to this topic.
Dark Empire I II and Empires End were some of Favorite and earliest comic after splinters, before Tales or Heir ever existed as comics, and eventually when Thrawn trilogy also later ON was adapted to comic form I liked those as well.
3 decades later I felt just like everyone else with thinking JJ Abrams as piece human trash and everyone hates what he did.
I never heard a single person complain the emperor being cloned before those sequal abominations movies... which existed even more than decade before the prequels..nor did I hear anyone ever complain about the KOTORs doing entire historical lores of other emperors extending their life through similar means. but I have to say all the Zahn trilogy fans coming out after JJ and shitting on Dark Empire (not even mentioning Zahn & Faloni Thrawn revision BS now) makes me NOT like the Thrawn trilogies anymore.. at all.. ill take Kam Kennedy, Tom Veitch & Andersons stories over anything Zahn puts to paper and his petty fans have just made me more adamant.
lol guess we arnt bring up the book that happened before heir to the empire, with the talking raptors aliens
Talking raptor aliens sounds goofy yet interesting
“Allan!”
- Talking dream Raptor, Jurrassic Park 3 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Truce at Bakura???
Does it matter when Disney Star Wars is not canon. They can move the Expanded Universe into Legends and discontinue the true canon, but no one takes Disney Star Wars seriously, or respects it as actual real Star Wars.
the body of authors that created the EU i think made star wars what it is. whether lucas knows it or not. star wars went 16 years between return of the jedi and phantom menace. something had to give it staying power during that time. without the comics novels and the newly emerging medium of video games nobody would have cared about star wars by 1999.
I know I will probably be shunned by saying that but I recommend everyone to try the high republic. Its a good quality writing initiative I've seen compared to the new jedi order in legends. If you want to give it a chance read light of the jedi first and then into the dark(because there are a lot of characters in the first book which some like me could not enjoy that much and the second one only has a few)
May be he did love the European Union.
I'm going to be real with everybody if it wasn't for the e.U star wars wouldn't have lasted this long
So I prefer the EU over Disney Star Wars, and I know a bit about all this with the EU. Lucas basically did consider it a separate universe from his own, which is fine. I disagree with him that Luke should have been celebate like a monk, but I was always a fan or Mara Jade and her marrying Luke.
When it comes to the cloning of Palpatine, I think they of course did it better, and liked the concept that cloning Forcer Users isn't perfect at all.
Lucas didn't like Mara Jade because she was going to with Luke, which went against his canon. He did criticize her initial design saying she looked too much like a model from a magazine. But overall he was ok with her.
For me as a Star Wars fan, Star Wars officially ends with. Visions of the Future.
I support Mara Jade been collecting books featuring her I love the character the EU is my go to now as can’t stand Disney Star Wars
It doesn't matter if he loved it or hated it. There were rules for the EU set out by Lucasfilm and lucas himself. So stories were approved. That makes it 1000x more approved than anything disneyWars has done. I will never forgive them for tossing away, GTFO with that 'legends' BS.
Who is that goddess george lucas is holding and does her carpet match the drapes?
By the looks of his dodgy fingers that'll be an AI Mara Jade.
Didn’t he despise it?
Not at all.
I do like Star Wars Legacy.
You keep deleting my comments. I guess you don't want to know the answer to your question
I have never deleted any comment.
YT can delete comments. Careful what you're writing
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Disney sucks but so much things on the EU stinks. Leia training in the Force, the Vong frickin sucks, Mara Jade is a nothing character, the clone of Palpatine originated from there.
The best thing in EU is Plagueis and Bane, most of it sucks Sarlacc booty