“Disrespect?” The Last Jedi was carefully, precisely, intentionally crafted to offend, insult, and alienate anyone who ever thought of Luke Skywalker as a hero.
@@FoxHoundUnit90 yes... There's always the need for a strong bad guy to fight, but give Leia and Luke some solid legacy. A half functional republic, an army, and at least a few jedi disciples.
That was lame, but what about snoke not being a real character. Or what about Finn not having a story arc. Or what the time that Princess Leia went full marry poppins in space? But yeah, Luke being a loser was really sad
And it really shouldn’t have been this hard, I mean ffs Star Wars isn’t even that complicated, there’s a literal light and dark side ffs, the light side is good, the dark side is bad. They certainly understood Star Wars when they copied episode 4 for episode 7, all they had to do was keep the characters and themes consistent with what came before. Make it a personal struggle about choosing good over evil, and don’t make Luke Skywalker a coward. Simple. Somewhere in the middle have some lightsaber fights and space battles.
It really is. No matter how good Rogue One and Andor are, the sequel trilogy's problematic production, it being a monumental storytelling failure and the amount of fans it (and utter trash like Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Acolyte) drove away will always be her legacy.
And yet Disney refuses to fix this. She should be let go, there are way too many issues with her running things. Filoni and Favreau breathed new life into Star Wars and she keeps removing all the oxygen in the room.
Would I want them to do that? Yeah Will they ever do it? Nah They're just too stubborn to ever admit defeat because they think they're too big to fail.
>because they think they're too big to fail. Sadly, they probably ARE too big at this point to completely fail. But that's what happens when you're so morally and creatively bankrupt that you think the best way to compete against your rivals is not to make better products than your rivals but to buy half of the fucking entertainment industry (including your rivals).
Disney does remakes only for things that were successful the first time around in order to wring money out of an old idea. Aside from _Haunted Mansion_ I can't think of any remakes of failed movies. I doubt they'll remake the sequels with the same story any more than they'll remake _John Carter_ or _The Lone Ranger._
The biggest blunder of the sequels? It may well be the biggest blunder in the history of cinema, along with George selling Star Wars to disney in the first place.
It’s not. They should have recast them from the beginning. There was no way Mark Hamil was in any shape to make the things people expected Luke to do look believable.
I know this is nightmare fuel but I have a gut feeling that if they hit that emergency button it’s not gonna be the sequels that get reconned. They’ll reboot the whole franchise and it’s going to be one of those soulless remakes Disney loves so much.
But to be fair, how could anyone remake A New Hope when The Force Awakens was a blatant Ep. IV remake, with some bits from Ep. V and VI. Unless they begin with The Phantom Menace, which actually could be improved upon, but I can't see it being done. Star Wars isn't a comic book series like Batman or Superman which have been rebooted various times in the past
There just isn't money to be made remaking 1-6, nobody who like them would go to see them, and the people who want 1-3 gone wouldn't be incentivised to watch something they never wanted.
You know, I didn't think that would be the direction they went, but recently I was looking through the Disney Plus profile icons, and none of them are Han, Luke, or Leia. But they make sure to include half a dozen CGI Jedi kids from some show I've never watched. It seems they're more concerned with their maintaining their recent properties than with where Star Wars started.
Redoing the Sequels sounds like a dream come true, but I expect it will be nothing more than a chance for them to beat us with a different stick. The kind of resentment, jealousy, and even hate that is required to do the kind of damage that they already did to Lucas's world, so consistently, for so long, and at such a staggering financial cost that their executives are sweating blood, doesn't just disappear. It's a spirit of malice that will corrupt any original story that they attempt.
I think it's too late and i think that the current "crew" don't even know what to do anyway. If they redid the sequel trilogy, who is going to go? There aren't enough new fans to care and the old ones don't trust the brand enough and no longer care. Force awakens was an indication of all the goodwill the brand had, skeleton crew (which i can barely even remember the name of) is an indication of what the brand can manage on its own now, even with a good show. They aren't starting over from the sequel trilogy, they're starting over from the beginning and i'm not sure they can make anything good enough for that to be a success.
@@cidmontenegro8225 Rey had potential in Ep. VII, but I feel the moment her character changed for the worst the moment she found Luke's lightsaber (not to mention that I still found it ridiculous how they found the saber in first place) and had a vision, I don't remember if there ever was a clear dream sequence in a Star Wars film, and I'm not counting Luke's training in Yoda's cave or those dreams Anakin had, they push Rey so hard into being a new chosen one, even more than Anakin (and even then, Anakain had a better twist even if we know he would turn into Darth Vader). I think she would have been a better character if she was already Luke's apprentice and then she found Finn who would have become a Jedi under her training, a Stormtrooper becoming a Jedi would have been an incredible concept
What’s worse is Rey actually had a very cool setup. Someone who was abandoned by her parents is a tragic story that could have been done right. Having her realize that they are never coming back for her and that she needs to movie on and be with her found family (she would actually have a connection to Luke and Leia to make it make sense instead of what we got) would be a powerful story of found family. Instead she barely knew Luke and Han and only knew Leia for abt a year so there wasn’t enough time to have her actually become close enough to join the family. And her learning stuff outta no where also hurt her character a lot. All they needed was a couple years between movies to have Luke and Leia train her but instead the story took place in abt a year. Not nearly enough time. Hell I wish there was another year or 2 for Luke to train in the ot but at least he had 3
Recast them. If not then animate them. They can have an entire series of animated adventures titles "Star Wars: Legends". Animate the best novels, comics etc.
Disney was worrying about the wrong thing. Who cares about paying royalties if you make a ton of money? It is way better than losing money with every project!
Or maybe just Luke is meditating at his Academy and sees a potential future that starts with him losing his cool with his nephew. Snaps his eyes open, and takes a different path. New sequel series starts at that point at the Jedi Academy. :-) -Daven
Luke came out of his meditative state and went to his council members Ben Ahsoka Ezra and cal kestis and told them abt the terrible dream where Ben turned to the dark side but he knew it wasn’t real because of his thriving Jedi order and because Ben has become a master and is a true hero along with the rest of the new Jedi order. Happily ever after
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted. I think it can be done, in the style of 'The Snyder Cut' promotion, but to be honest, Lucasfilm under Kennedy is too stubborn/proud.
>Would Disney really erase Kennedy’s “Legacy” and redo the Sequels? No because that would be an admission of failure from disney and disney's hubris will never allow that to happen.
Creating an AI voice of an extremely staged and already artificial sounding performance is quite different to using AI replacements of main characters.
If they retcon they HAVE to recast. AI would be a disaster. If Disney were to decide to redo the sequels, that's an all in move. You're trying to reset and create a new narrative direction for the next 10 to 15 years. That means you need to find your new core cast (think RDJ, Hemsworth, Evans) who can become icons in their own right. Plus, AI Carrie Fisher would be downright creepy and disrespectful.
right, there is nothing wrong with recasting - it is the characters that are important and iconic, the actors are great and all, but they are not the characters and can't play them forever, iconic characters should be allowed to live on for multiple generations: batman, superman, james bond, etc no one has a problem with iconic characters being recast, we like these characters and are willing to see different iterations of them and their stories.
I’d like to see a Luke as a Jedi series. Not with grogu, but his story with Mara jade. Recast, people said Sebastian Stan, that’s a good choice. Then maybe late in the series they can retcon the sequels and continue a new sequel movie with Luke
The scripts Lucas had planned were far more interesting and had much more potential, as well as being a continuation of the creator's vision. And I'm also in favor of a recast, especially with Sebastian Stan.
@@JoshMcSwain They used a body double and a deep fake of Mark Hamil. They then had Luke take a larger part in Book of Boba Fett, and the AI recreation of his voice was deep in the uncanny valley.
People would be up for a reattempt of the sequels, but it would have to be under completely different leadership if not a different company. Disney just completely burned up any good will that the franchise had with its base which wasn't at all helped by franchise tourists who came to glaze the sequels then leave. The only way for them to come back would be to not only visibly and audibly distance themselves from Kennedy but to openly mock the sequels enjoyers too.
In a lot of ways favreau was mocking the sequels in season 1 and 2 of mando. With iger and hopefully Kennedy retiring soon, Disney and LF have a great opportunity to try and regain the trust of the fans. Hopefully they take advantage of that.
Remove it all, everything after episode 6. I'm sorry but everything Disney has produced has either been worthless or has been made worthless after the fans gave them a chance. KK deserves to have her legacy removed because it is a cancerous tumor, the sooner it gets delt with the sooner star wars can heal and rebuild. One woman's ego is not worth billions of dollars.
1. Rey will never be an icon. 2. The ST was the complete opposite of very good. 3. KK's legacy is trash. As far the OT characters go, they should recast vs using AI if they do it at all.
Screw Mark Hamill, he took part in those shit shows and his feeble later claims of disagreeing with the director don’t mean anything. Same for Harrison Ford, fuck that guy too (see Dial..). All worthless meat puppets who deserved our admiration to begin with.
They could easily bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Sequel trilogy treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted.
I don't think Disney will ever retcon their Sequels, because to do so will admit failure, and they'll never admit failure with the Box Office success of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, which, even though The Last Jedi was so divisive, were still the top two highest grossing STAR WARS movies to date.
The box office for The Last Jedi is not a true measure of it's success. The Rise of Skywalker is the real indictment on The Last Jedi. If The Last Jedi was good, The Rise of Skywalker would have done exceptionally well, regardless of how good it is.
@brighamwhite You and I know that, but trying to explain that to an entity that only sees profit as the measure of success is like speaking a foreign language.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there.
@@WorldPeace21 There are plenty of videos revealing what Lucas had planned. It was coherent with the original trilogy and it was far more interesting and had much more potential than the disaster we had, as well as being a continuation of the creator's vision.
@ I just watched a couple. Darth Maul survives and becomes a crime boss leading all the crime syndicates. Him and Darth Talon are the main villains. She does most of the fighting. The stormtroopers are still strong and are causing trouble. Leia ends up being supreme chancellor. Luke reforms the academy. The trilogy is about rebuilding after the Empire. The other idea is that George would further explain the Whills, Midichlorians, and the microbiotic universe. The trouble is that by the time of the sequels that George would have made is around 2014-2015. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher were all old at that point. How would he deal with that? Star Wars needs to get past Han, Luke, and Leia. Or they can recast with younger actors.
Hey Thor. Yes. Reboot. The great thing about the contract signing between George Lucas and Disney is the six movies are untouchable and set in stone. I believe TCW is a part of that which cannot be redone. That gives a legacy aspect to Star Wars, which I’m sure fans can appreciate. Now the sequel trilogy is a different matter altogether. They can be retconned and honestly they should be. And a recast would definitely be in order and those actors are at the age of the Star Wars characters they would portray during the Mandalorian period. The only one who should get a proper casting call is Luke Skywalker. But Billie Lourd, Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover as Leia, Han and Lando are set to go. And a movie like Courtship of Princess Leia for the restart of the EU would be the right start. It’s political thriller, romantic, action and space opera all rolled into one. And would be the perfect jumping off point for a new sequel trilogy to begin the next feature with Heir to the Empire. And it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to make Thrawn the overarching villain for the entire Galactic Cold War outline for the new sequel trilogy. Just a thought.
The issue with retconning is we will never see the ot trio again due to Carrie's death(cgi wouldn't count and I wouldn't care). So yeah the universe will be fixed but the fan experience can't be.
@@Austin-ws9eo To me, even though Graham doesn't look that similar to Mark head on, what I loved about the tiny glimpses of his performance from the Disney Gallery special was his enthusiasm and dedication to wanting to embody Luke, and the more gentle, nuanced quality he exuded that the CGI abomination wasn't able to capture (since, duh, we're not looking at a real human face that can fully emote). I was PISSED when someone posted photos of Graham in costume in what looked like a deleted scene, because he brings the dignity and gravitas of a post-ROTJ Luke so well. I so badly wish he'd been allowed to just act instead of being a stand-in meat puppet. Something else I've been blown away by is how eerily similar Elizabeth Dulau from Andor (playing Kleya Marki) looks like Carrie Fisher. Graham, Elizabeth, Anthony, and Donald Glover as the big 4, I'd be absolutely content with.
@@achaudhari101 We have been thinking. For years. There's no point in sticking to the franchise on the off chance a fraction of the failures they come up with actually do good. It's not sustainable, and you ARE in the minority if you refuse to admit that Disney has burned the franchise to the ground. It's not about fixing it at this point. We don't owe Disney Star Wars a chance. They have fucked up far too much. They owe US good content if they expect US to pay money for their content.
Disney is killing it, all they'll throw it in the trash in a few years, and they'll barely understand why people turned away from the brand to begin with.
right!? thats the only way i can see them doing anything like this. start over with a "reimaging" and make it what they want and any changes or differences from what they did before can just be explained away.
The best way I can put my stance on a reboot idea is like this: just because the insurance company financed the rebuilding of a house that burnt down, that doesn't mean we should forget what happened to necessitate rebuilding the house. We all saw it happen, and some irreplaceable things are now no longer with us. It changed a lot of things forever. There is no unseeing it, or undoing it.
Yes, these characters need to be recast. Recasting is how such iconic characters live on through the generations; i.e. Spider-Man, Batman, James Bond. But before we can seriously have the recasting discussion, we need to wipe all Disney canon and start over. Short of doing this, any serious attempt at rehabilitating the series is a nonstarter. I understand that this isn’t going to happen for the foreseeable future, and that’s a shame because the franchise has already lost a generation, and is losing more ground while they continue to try to put band-aids on bullet wounds.
I like that movie and it's still the biggest flaw for me. That stupid CGI, I can even respect it as side entry and complimentary but those CGI Tarkin and Leia ruin it for me. I can't believe they didn't use the original actor who mo capped Tarkin who had the chops and could've just been given a touch up with make up@@pablocasas5906
Keep mando s1/2, andor, rogue one minus the ending where Vader sees leia’s ship escape, bad batch, rebels, skeleton crew, and the mando episode of bobba I think that covers everything good
I remember the end of the second season of the mandalorian, the while stilted due to technical limitations return of Luke Skywalker brought one thing to all the Star Wars fan base, Joy! The design, from the costume to the setup to the music, it set off all our nostalgia and memories of why we loved this franchise and Lucasfilm should have jumped to recast Luke, Leia and Han right then and there. They could have gotten three actors signed up to play these parts for the next decade and introduced them as bit parts in their planned shows, reintroducing them back into Star Wars before doing a show or film staring them. We had a Luke in the muddled book of Boba Fett who could have been played by an actor who could have carried the role forward, Leia and Han could have appeared as characters on Coruscant during Ashoka and the hype, the mainline drug of the Star Wars fan could have been ignited at the thought of a stand alone project with our original trilogy heroes once again flying and fighting amounts the stars. But it’s Disney/Lucasfilm, and they are always late to the party, if they actually bother to turn up at all.
Why are we still trying to bring back these old characters?? Thr Skywalker story has been told. There is too much emotion and sentimentality attached to those characters. If you want the "Further Adventurss of Ham and Luke", read the EU. But the movies HAVE to move in a new direction. There is no sense continuing to drag out the zombies of old actors- whether digitally or their increasingly aged selves. Let's move 100 years to the future with new characters.
Dark Fate retconning Terminator 3 onward, did not save the Terminator franchise, and considering how they've handled every franchise they've bought, retconning wouldn't be done well (and doubling down is more likely). "Only canon they would need to follow... the key points (Jedi, Force, Space Travel)" Jedi - Acolyte showed the Jedi are evil fools. Force - Kenobi etc showed they see the force only about power LIMITLESS POWER!!! Space Travel - The Holdo Maneuver ... yeah, we're doomed.
I will say I definitely remember people having a problem with the Han Solo recasting. Heck half the reason the movie failed was people didn’t like the casting.
I'd argue the reason was more TLJ than the recast, and for timeperiods that are many years from when we see the main cast in the OT a recast is fine as they would look different anyway
I'd bet anything Disney has a secret team of Imagineers trying to figure out how to un-destroy a franchise and get it to somehow, return. Won't be long now.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted. I think it can be done, in the style of 'The Snyder Cut' promotion, but to be honest, Lucasfilm under Kennedy is too stubborn/proud.
The Imagineers with the motivation and skills to do that generally already left Disney and went to other places. Many of them ended up at Universal Studios to work on the new Monsters section of that park.
Sorry, but in my eyes there is nothing Disney can do to save the brand. Not in their current state at any rate. There is no love, passion or understanding of what made Star Wars great anywhere in the halls of Disney. The only reason the first two sequal movies did anything close to good is because people gave Disney a chance. They burned up all that good will over the years to satisfy an array of agendas that just go against the nature of Star Wars. Only a purge of the people who caused this, the repudiation of their work, and potentially the sale of the franchise can save it. There can be no redemption without them at least taking responsibility for this travesty. I know, at least for me, that is what it will take before I spend another dime on anything Disney or Lucas Firm produces, be it Star Wars or otherwise. If the franchise or the company as they exist have to die for that to be accomplished, then so be it. We don't owe Disney Star Wars a thing.
Recast. Anthony Ingruber is a dead ringer for Han Solo and played a younger Harrison Ford in The Age Of Adeline. Carrie Fisher’s daughter Billie Lourde is an obvious choice. The Winter Soldier himself, Sebastian Stan has an uncanny likeness to Luke. That’s all you need. A little makeup or cgi tweaks and you have the core 3 characters. Ewan and Hayden as force ghosts. Bring back George Lucas to write the story, and hire directors like Peter Jackson, Steven Spielberg who could really make it work.
I think they can redo sequels, but don't set them like 30 years after ROTJ. Set them like 8 years after ROTJ. Imperial Remeant is in hiding. Thrown comes back. Luke trains the new generation of Jedi Knights. I think that's safe. But for the wild card. Bring Desann and Kyle Katarn in.
And to make it official at some point luke see vision's off the original sequels and he thinks there are real until it's reveal that the way that future vision's work in star wars is that it looks at another universe that can only be seen but not touch and luke was looking at 30 universes to far with the end of the new sequel trilogy been a time jump in which everything is more aline with legends and maybe as a way off don't piss off the few fan's of the sequels it's frame as rey finding a way to connect the two universes tru a portal and seeing the difference and then seeing luke alive and happy as it can be in this universe.
If you get rid of KK sequel trilogy, "basically you're saying her legacy is trash" - YES, exactly. No one has the right to a positive legacy. That's just ego. She turned Lucas SW legacy to trash. It's time to return the favor.
This is the elephant in the room nobody was willing to address back then - truth is the original trio were already too old for this shit in 2015, the only sequel trilogy you could make even at that point was a passing of the torch story.
Kathleen’s legacy, as perceived by Star Wars fans, might be akin to Mike Tyson’s. However, I doubt the general public will share the same sentiment. Star Wars is George Lucas’s legacy, encompassing both its triumphs and failures. While Disney’s focus on profit seems evident during times of underperformance, like with Star Wars, it’s worth noting that Disney owns multiple successful studios. Despite this, Disney rarely receives credit for its achievements. The crux of the matter lies in Disney’s decision to allow Lucasfilm to continue its decline.
Just moving to the future, in a lot of peoples’ minds would still be built off what happened in the Sequels. And eventually they would make in-between stories to fill narrative gaps, and create connective tissues. This isn’t the fix people think it would be.
It definitely would still be connected. The 'move to the future of the timeline' concept was a good one if you were looking for an alternative to the sequel trilogy. It would've let Disney get away from everything everyone held dear and experiment a bit in a contained zone. But now all you'd be doing is just spreading the infection.
One nice thing about AI is that there's no need for this to be an exclusive decision. Disney can go ahead and recast the characters. At the rate that AI is advancing, in a year or two fans will be able to stick the recast movies into the AI and swap them out for the original characters' likenesses whether Disney likes it or not. Everybody wins. Except Disney, about whom I care nothing.
Disney should just focus on the upcoming 50th anniversary of Star Wars: A New Hope, and not work on anything else for a few years. Give it a run in theaters for the 50th and get people excited again...or at least try! They can give us a new post credit scene that can bring the story into ESB. That would likely bring many back, in my opinion. Star Wars is a movie experience that you see in theatres. Keep up the great content, Thor Skywalker!👍
As long as Disney and Lucasfilm remain as they are, nothing is ever going to get retconned, unless it was anything pre-Disney. Although for recasting or AI, it will not matter either way, most of the fanbase is already long gone and have become apathetic. So, they can do what ever they want, no one cares anymore.
@@achaudhari101 It does go deep, probably only way to save Star Wars is to sell it as a stand alone IP for cheap or Public Domain it. If not, it will just become worthless garbage down the road.
How to "redo the sequels" despite the issues with real life circumstances? Easy. Just do what the Clone Wars did. Get voice actors that sound as close as possible to the original cast and let them be the future of Star Wars. Despite the Clone Wars show being over, other shows are still using its style like in Tales of the Jedi. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't use it again. All that would need to be done is scrap the sequel trilogy along with any and all mandoverse content, WHOLE CLEAN SLATE. Start fresh with everything and I mean EVERYTHING post Return of the Jedi and do a proper adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy, The Uuzang Vong, The 2nd Galactic Civil War. The fan interest is in those books. Thats where the money is. Of course its an adaptation, it won't be a one to one, you'll still have to address Ahsoka and Ezra Miller from Rebels. But this time, you have the main focus on the original trilogy cast and let them be the main push for the story. This is the best way narrative wise that could get fans back on board.
This is such a false dichotomy. Here's an alternate idea: move on. The Star Wars setting is so incredibly vast and complex that this slavish devotion to a single bloodline breaks suspension of disbelief. Personally, I won't shed a tear if I never hear the name "Skywalker" ever again. Just look at Visions for how much potential there exists in this universe, and we'll never get to see it if we keep obsession over a handful of characters. If Star Trek can move on past TOS, Star Wars should be able to do so. Nothing says the sequel trilogy has to be about Skywalkers, it just has to deal with the repercussions of what's come before.
8:48 I love how the three on the left and centre look so excited or happy to be there; and then there’s Harrison Ford with a look on his face of “I can’t believe they’ve got me doing this shit again.” 😂
Legends is the adventures of Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. George's treatments don't include them, ergo, George's sequels can't and won't fit in Legends, and we've already bombed them out of canon once, I couldn't stand to see them do it again.
@@saberiandream316Ah. OK. I just mean like a “What If” and announce it as non canon but then people can still decide to internally make it canon for themselves.
One of the biggest issues is fucking up Luke, he would of confronted Kilo and said "I know you still have light in you" instead that had Luke Troll Kilo and not even help his sister, he used a force ghost which was a cope out.
It’s better for them to explore concepts of the far future in the Star Wars galaxy, at least 1000+ years after the battle of Yavin. Honestly after the failure of The High Republic I have little faith in their R&D department to even create a compelling storyline set centuries into the future.
@@jibril2473 it had 3 phases of books and comics, a young children tv show, was very involved in jedi survivor's story. If it wasnt a success it would only have one phase just like the acolyte had only one season. Stop coping and if you didnt read any of it try the light of the jedi book.
Disney might get desperate enough to do a remake of the original trilogy, but maybe not desperate enough to not use ai, or push the same all can do girl boss trope.
I think AI is risky at this point. You have a better chance recasting wholesale, I think. It's arguably more important to get the *feel* of the character right than it is to get the looks exactly right. I think Last Jedi proved that.
If they remade the sequels, I’d rather see them re cast. Disney has done so much damage to the characters, and even J.J. Abrams, and Dave Filoni, destroying any story whatsoever that could’ve been had. I can’t imagine Harrison Ford, or Mark Hamill coming back after what’s gone on. Either forget the sequels, or just get GOOD WRITERS!
The AI vs Recast issue is up to the actors or their surviving family. - Harrison seems fine with the de-aging effects. - Mark has stated near the beginning of that strike (which was over ai writing and digital actor overlays), that he would not be reprising his Luke in live action, that instead they should recast with a new younger actor and pay them like they would any other star. - Not sure about Carrie’s daughter… With the Rebooting of the Sequels or moving the series into the far future? 1 - there isn’t much need for a reboot. Star Wars has had a tiered canon system with an alternate universe and non-canon going to back to the pre-EU era until 2015. - Just bring that system back and add the new canon to it as alternate universe. Lucas’ 6 movies as top tier canon. - The TV shows and new movies in the next lower tier. - Make Filoni’s Mando-verse ambiguous as to where it fits in, to avoid the sequel canon / Old EU drama. - Divide everything else into (everything developed outside of LucasFilm, like books, comics, games) into two eras; make all of the pre-prequel era stories (canon and Legends EU) in-canon legend rather than outright canon or not-canon. I mean, 25,000+ years of history that is barely touched and can be easily worked around. And if they want to adapt one of the old stories with some changes, it would be just another version of an old legend. With the canon explanation being that since most of the stories center around Jedi vs Sith conflicts, and Palpatine altered or destroyed that from the official historical archives, tales, legends and local record is all that they had to based the stories on. And that way, they would have actual (and somewhat consistent) to build off of, instead of cherry picking the few things they’d like and altering it (Ki-Adi-Mundi’s age?) - Then with the post Original Trilogy era being alternate universe. With the old EU being in one, the new canon belonging to another, and Filoni’s stuff being uncommitted to either. - Then all the source books, gaming elements, pre-EU stuff, and promotional materials being a tier below that. - Then the non-canon bin. 2 - “A Long, Long Time Ago…”. Presumably, Lucas’ idea was that we have these stories “…From a Galaxy Far, Far Away.” thanks to the data cores of either R2-D2 or C-3PO which traveled a very long time from a distant galaxy. So, setting any new stories too far into the future from the Original Trilogy, just doesn’t seem right. Not to mention that writers will be too tempted to fall back to the same old Jedi vs Sith formula, which is what the Skywalkers put an end to. -- It’s not that hard.
As for main characters, I absolutely don't mind recasting. Luke, Han and Leia are "just" characters, not some kind of saints you have to bow and pay respect to. First hire creative and competent screenwriters to actuallty come up with a good story involving them. Then pick the right tools to get the job done. Telling a compelling and deep story would be the greatest tribute to those characters.
Kennedy is the WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO STAR WARS!!! What's wrong with acknowledging that? She set out to make millions of people hate something they loved!!
I will only support Star Wars & Disney again if they erase the Disney Trilogy from canon and make authentic Star Wars. Until that happens, I don't even care about what others say is good now, because if connected to Disney's Garbage Trilogy, it's not good. Yes, even the Mandalorian is trash in my opinion because it has to mention the first order. Some good parts in Mandalorian, ruined by that. Clone Wars is my favorite and haven't even seen their garbage season 7, since I know it's not as good as George Lucas's planned season 7, as well I haven't seen The Bad Batch even though I looked forward to that plotline when it was unfinished from George's 7th season.
@@achaudhari101 You're a fake fan who thinks Disney Clone Wars is even close to as good as Lucas would have made it 😂 You really are just a joke. Here's your makeup you keep forgetting 🤡🤡🤡
This won't take away that they ruined the real Mark Hamill's and Harrison Ford's and Carrie Fisher's legacies! They completely disrespected those actors and the fact that the last time we'll ever see them on screen was ruined will make me hate Disney forever
Unfortunately it's not going to happen because it's Disney. Disney has always been about pandering to the liberal agenda and they are going to continue to do so. As long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge, it's not going to change and the thing is though is that Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of lucasfilm not Disney and Disney is about wanting to make that liberal money. They don't care about what the fans want
The only thing that would frustrate me with redoing the sequels is that theyd probably get rid of the force awakens too, which i thought (although largely a retread of a new hope) was a very solid foundation for the new trilogy because of the potential each character in the new cast had. So many cool and unique avenues they couldve went down with each character arc, none of which were actually done justice in episodes 8 and 9
If they redo the sequels, each Star Wars movie, from here on out, will is only going to make a fraction of what the Sequels made. It will not matter the quality of the films because fans will know any of these stories can be erased and rewritten in an instance.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted. I think it can be done, in the style of 'The Snyder Cut' promotion, but to be honest, Lucasfilm under Kennedy is too stubborn/proud.
@ Even if it was a 75% in favor to 25% not in favor, you would more than likely be alienating the 25% not in favor thus not getting their money. The next question would be, would the 75% in favor go out and see the film multiple times like they did TFA. Chances are the answer is no, thus reducing profit margins even more. I'm not saying a retcon of the sequels wouldn't turn a profit, they very well could. I'm saying it wouldn't be as big of a hit as TFA or even TLJ/RoS.
I think that Kathleen Kennedy’s movies, should be marked as events, that happened in a parallel universe. That having REY as the daughter of a villain, and the successor of LUKE SKYWALKER. And FINN being a side character, who becomes friends with REY.
@@achaudhari101I know this seems shocking but take the time to consider reality. Once we take the Skywalker Saga out of Star Wars it is just a setting that we like because it reminds us of the Skywalker Saga. That doesn't guarantee that any other stories told in that setting deserve our attention. Disney isn't making bad content to spite us. They are creating bad content because it is what they are capable of making. The original trilogy was a once in a lifetime lightning in a bottle event that has never been replicated. Every attempt to create more content since then has been of lesser quality that is watering down the franchise. It's time to let it go and quit before it becomes utterly worthless.
@@jasonreynolds6643 The reality is that we're in the worst part and that it will eventually get to the good part again and you don't want to be wrong. That's the reality. That and you're still here despite your whole shtick that the franchise is dead when it isn't.
@@achaudhari101 My only interest in the topic is helping people to come to terms with it being over. I thought about it for a long time and realized that it has never gotten better. It has always been downhill from the OT. We try to convince ourselves otherwise because we are afraid to let go but we are only deluding ourselves. For all of the hype The Expanded Universe was very repetitive for many novels. The Prequels were largely dismissed. Even the Clone Wars cartoon wasn't great consistently. Most of Disney's content is garbage. It will never be good again. I am trying to help people realize this and let go.
@@achaudhari101 theirs no guarantee that it will get better. Their not getting rid of the sequels and lack proper talent and skill unlike other franchise to branch out into new era/ new characters with actually impact ir not forgettable. No different than halo, star trek, etc ya, their pumping out stuff for it, but vast majority of it inferior to old content you had before in that's keep being produce. Star wars, halo, trek, etc are just around now to make quick buck, very less so for actually good story.
Hey Thor, do you think if they ever did decide to re-do the sequels that they’d finally make proper use of George Lucas’ original plans for them? Feel like that’s something that would grab people’s attention, especially with a lot of the recent prequel appreciation, that people would want to see the creator of Star Wars’ vision fully realised in some form on the big screen.
I think there’s room to use AI if we’re going for an animated style that’s as close to live action as it can be. This could be a really nice way to expand the story’s with the original characters. Picture something between The Clone Wars Animations and Final Fantasy. By this point though the whole feature could look live action, but be completely animated. I think that will be the ultimate goal.
Something needs to change with Star Wars, I’m past the point of being angry. I simply do not care anymore. Hell, I heard how good skeleton crew was, not watching it cause I simply do not care. I have no excitement for this franchise anymore.
They’ll never decannonize their trilogy. People, especially idealogues, NEVER admit they’re wrong about something. In 50 years I’ve never seen it happen.
@@jonathanryan9946 true. But with make-up, fx, de-aging tech, etc... I think it could work. Those 2 would be the closest we have to Carrie and Mark in their prime
One thing I think could work is doing something like ”the clone wars” for the galactic civil war. Make a series, animated or live action, about Han, Luke, Leia and the gang, where they fight against the empire in a series format somewhere in between the original movies. It could be like Rebels, but with the main cast, in a short series format.
The only way I will watch any new Star Wars is if they say everything under Disney was an alternate universe and redo the sequels right- it could be done so easily with just a few tweaks and a little character and story appreciation
If they HAVE to move forward with legacy characters (the old characters for a new generation) it's probably best that they recast. Anthony Ingruber as Han, Sebastian Stan as Luke, Billie Lourd as Leia. Chewie 2.0 is already in place and Lando is up for grabs and there are plenty of competent voice actors who can approximate James Earl Jones if they ever need to revisit Vader again.
If Disney did reboot the sequels and followed the general story of the Legends books, that’d be amazing. The big question is whether it would be AI, new actors, or animated. AI could work, but that’s a lot of AI usage for three movies. New actors could work more easily, but you’d need to get very similar-looking people, as Mark Hamill basically IS Luke. Animated would be the easiest route, but it could cause some people to ignore it.
I respect that people keep talking about Star Wars but just face it, Disney killed Star Wars. The sequels were horrible, the shows with a couple exceptions are awful. They ruined the lore, the Jedi, Luke, Fett, Han, Leia and her random flight through space…they just destroyed the IP. For me I check in once in a while on these videos but honestly…as a life long Star Wars fan, having seen the original at 4 years old in the theater, I left it behind. It’s crappy but I can’t invest in this garbage.
Hey Thor, I think the only option to bring the interest of the fandom back is using Lucas's script. His "sequel trilogy". It always shouldve been done that way. Leave Skywalker Saga for Lucas and do Your own disney-stuff in any timeline with any (new) characters You want. You always remind us that prequels have their flaws but they are SOMETHING. There is an actual idea behind these movies. Thats why we love them. Aaaand.... let Luke find entry to world between Worlds in first movie of Lucas sequels and let him see the future when he almost kill Ben. And give him someone to deal with this, go through it. For example Anakins force ghost. This will begin to make things right. And it will make Disneys Sequels simply a vision of future which, according to Yoda, uncertain is
Of all my issues with the sequels my biggest one is how they handled Luke’s character, absolute disrespect if you ask me.
That and how the sequels just completely undo everything the ot heroes accomplished.
“Disrespect?” The Last Jedi was carefully, precisely, intentionally crafted to offend, insult, and alienate anyone who ever thought of Luke Skywalker as a hero.
@@FoxHoundUnit90 yes... There's always the need for a strong bad guy to fight, but give Leia and Luke some solid legacy. A half functional republic, an army, and at least a few jedi disciples.
@@liljenborg2517I agree. A lot of effort clearly went into making Jake the anti-Luke.
That was lame, but what about snoke not being a real character. Or what about Finn not having a story arc. Or what the time that Princess Leia went full marry poppins in space? But yeah, Luke being a loser was really sad
They killed the 'Skywalker' legacy. All they had to do was not F that up.
They didn’t kill anything. That implies it can’t be fixed and that’s not the case.
All roads lead to the sequels and the total disrespect of Skywalker.
"The legacy of Kathleen is failure..."
And it really shouldn’t have been this hard, I mean ffs Star Wars isn’t even that complicated, there’s a literal light and dark side ffs, the light side is good, the dark side is bad. They certainly understood Star Wars when they copied episode 4 for episode 7, all they had to do was keep the characters and themes consistent with what came before. Make it a personal struggle about choosing good over evil, and don’t make Luke Skywalker a coward. Simple. Somewhere in the middle have some lightsaber fights and space battles.
@@ErikDaynewell dark side isnt really bad. Its anger, fear, etc. Those arent bad
"The legacy of Kathleen is failure..."
What did you expect from someone who only job was to make coffee and blame everyone else for her garbage and total failure
It really is. No matter how good Rogue One and Andor are, the sequel trilogy's problematic production, it being a monumental storytelling failure and the amount of fans it (and utter trash like Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Acolyte) drove away will always be her legacy.
Sounds like my legacy.
And yet Disney refuses to fix this. She should be let go, there are way too many issues with her running things. Filoni and Favreau breathed new life into Star Wars and she keeps removing all the oxygen in the room.
@@medievalpeanut4269 The disney execs won't fire Kathleen because she has dirt on them.
Would I want them to do that? Yeah
Will they ever do it? Nah
They're just too stubborn to ever admit defeat because they think they're too big to fail.
Be careful what you wish for, especially with Disney...
>because they think they're too big to fail.
Sadly, they probably ARE too big at this point to completely fail. But that's what happens when you're so morally and creatively bankrupt that you think the best way to compete against your rivals is not to make better products than your rivals but to buy half of the fucking entertainment industry (including your rivals).
@@Rishi123456789 Well, we are going to see how much it takes for them to fail
@ True.
Disney does remakes only for things that were successful the first time around in order to wring money out of an old idea. Aside from _Haunted Mansion_ I can't think of any remakes of failed movies. I doubt they'll remake the sequels with the same story any more than they'll remake _John Carter_ or _The Lone Ranger._
Not having the original cast of screen together is the biggest blunder of the sequels and there were many
And unfortunately it’s too late now.
You know, I don't even think it is. That's a big one, but I actually think there are worse things than that.
The biggest blunder of the sequels? It may well be the biggest blunder in the history of cinema, along with George selling Star Wars to disney in the first place.
This again was all due to Kathleen Kennedy interference. Who thought she was going to remake classics star wars movie in herself
It’s not. They should have recast them from the beginning.
There was no way Mark Hamil was in any shape to make the things people expected Luke to do look believable.
I know this is nightmare fuel but I have a gut feeling that if they hit that emergency button it’s not gonna be the sequels that get reconned. They’ll reboot the whole franchise and it’s going to be one of those soulless remakes Disney loves so much.
But to be fair, how could anyone remake A New Hope when The Force Awakens was a blatant Ep. IV remake, with some bits from Ep. V and VI. Unless they begin with The Phantom Menace, which actually could be improved upon, but I can't see it being done. Star Wars isn't a comic book series like Batman or Superman which have been rebooted various times in the past
There just isn't money to be made remaking 1-6, nobody who like them would go to see them, and the people who want 1-3 gone wouldn't be incentivised to watch something they never wanted.
@@pablocasas5906What did you expect from someone who only clones movie was all JJ ABRAMS does
This. I wouldn't put it past them , but it's a guaranteed L.
You know, I didn't think that would be the direction they went, but recently I was looking through the Disney Plus profile icons, and none of them are Han, Luke, or Leia. But they make sure to include half a dozen CGI Jedi kids from some show I've never watched. It seems they're more concerned with their maintaining their recent properties than with where Star Wars started.
Redoing the Sequels sounds like a dream come true, but I expect it will be nothing more than a chance for them to beat us with a different stick. The kind of resentment, jealousy, and even hate that is required to do the kind of damage that they already did to Lucas's world, so consistently, for so long, and at such a staggering financial cost that their executives are sweating blood, doesn't just disappear. It's a spirit of malice that will corrupt any original story that they attempt.
I think it's too late and i think that the current "crew" don't even know what to do anyway. If they redid the sequel trilogy, who is going to go? There aren't enough new fans to care and the old ones don't trust the brand enough and no longer care. Force awakens was an indication of all the goodwill the brand had, skeleton crew (which i can barely even remember the name of) is an indication of what the brand can manage on its own now, even with a good show. They aren't starting over from the sequel trilogy, they're starting over from the beginning and i'm not sure they can make anything good enough for that to be a success.
Excellent comment and more than likely, true.
The government might force Disney to remake them for men's men.
The irony is KK wanted Rey to be a great character, but she made Rey into a great mess.
Again, did you expect creativity from a coffee maker Kathleen Kennedy who is clueless
@@cidmontenegro8225 Rey had potential in Ep. VII, but I feel the moment her character changed for the worst the moment she found Luke's lightsaber (not to mention that I still found it ridiculous how they found the saber in first place) and had a vision, I don't remember if there ever was a clear dream sequence in a Star Wars film, and I'm not counting Luke's training in Yoda's cave or those dreams Anakin had, they push Rey so hard into being a new chosen one, even more than Anakin (and even then, Anakain had a better twist even if we know he would turn into Darth Vader). I think she would have been a better character if she was already Luke's apprentice and then she found Finn who would have become a Jedi under her training, a Stormtrooper becoming a Jedi would have been an incredible concept
Speilberg made her the president of Amblin Entertainment. His words, not mine.
What’s worse is Rey actually had a very cool setup. Someone who was abandoned by her parents is a tragic story that could have been done right. Having her realize that they are never coming back for her and that she needs to movie on and be with her found family (she would actually have a connection to Luke and Leia to make it make sense instead of what we got) would be a powerful story of found family. Instead she barely knew Luke and Han and only knew Leia for abt a year so there wasn’t enough time to have her actually become close enough to join the family. And her learning stuff outta no where also hurt her character a lot. All they needed was a couple years between movies to have Luke and Leia train her but instead the story took place in abt a year. Not nearly enough time. Hell I wish there was another year or 2 for Luke to train in the ot but at least he had 3
All they had to do was put all 3 in the same shot and they fucked it up
SuBveRtinG exPectaTiONs!
Recast them. If not then animate them. They can have an entire series of animated adventures titles "Star Wars: Legends". Animate the best novels, comics etc.
That might involve paying the authors who wrote those books. I’m not sure Disney wants that.
I don’t think that animation is going to generate enough interest from casual viewers to be all that profitable. They need to make a profit.
agreed i prefer animation going forward for star wars
Disney was worrying about the wrong thing. Who cares about paying royalties if you make a ton of money? It is way better than losing money with every project!
@@sbkeel5639Disney seems to like worrying about the wrong things.
Luke awakens after being held captive for years realizing that the sequel trilogy was just a bad dream he had while kept asleep for so long.
But how can the sequel trilogy be Luke’s bad dream as he’s only in it for a total for one and a half days? Make it a BB-8 virus.
Or maybe just Luke is meditating at his Academy and sees a potential future that starts with him losing his cool with his nephew. Snaps his eyes open, and takes a different path. New sequel series starts at that point at the Jedi Academy. :-) -Daven
"I just had this crazy nightmare where somehow Palpatine returned."
Wish it's what Luke see in World Between Worlds.
Luke came out of his meditative state and went to his council members Ben Ahsoka Ezra and cal kestis and told them abt the terrible dream where Ben turned to the dark side but he knew it wasn’t real because of his thriving Jedi order and because Ben has become a master and is a true hero along with the rest of the new Jedi order. Happily ever after
I cannot fanthom how it might be done. Not a single thing in the sequels can stand on its own.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted. I think it can be done, in the style of 'The Snyder Cut' promotion, but to be honest, Lucasfilm under Kennedy is too stubborn/proud.
>Would Disney really erase Kennedy’s “Legacy” and redo the Sequels?
No because that would be an admission of failure from disney and disney's hubris will never allow that to happen.
James Earl Jones being dead isn't an issue he gave Disney permission to use an AI version of his voice. They were even using it before he died
Creating an AI voice of an extremely staged and already artificial sounding performance is quite different to using AI replacements of main characters.
Yes, Governor Tarkin
Sequel Trilogy without Solo Twins is just wrong. #SaveLucasSequels
Kylo Ren at his best was little more than a dollar store kock off of Jacen Solo
If there is no retcon, this franchise will not heal.
If they retcon they HAVE to recast. AI would be a disaster. If Disney were to decide to redo the sequels, that's an all in move. You're trying to reset and create a new narrative direction for the next 10 to 15 years. That means you need to find your new core cast (think RDJ, Hemsworth, Evans) who can become icons in their own right. Plus, AI Carrie Fisher would be downright creepy and disrespectful.
right, there is nothing wrong with recasting - it is the characters that are important and iconic, the actors are great and all, but they are not the characters and can't play them forever, iconic characters should be allowed to live on for multiple generations: batman, superman, james bond, etc no one has a problem with iconic characters being recast, we like these characters and are willing to see different iterations of them and their stories.
I’d like to see a Luke as a Jedi series. Not with grogu, but his story with Mara jade. Recast, people said Sebastian Stan, that’s a good choice. Then maybe late in the series they can retcon the sequels and continue a new sequel movie with Luke
Depending on where they want to start the story, Sebastian Stan is a bit old.
Wasn't there a different guy who played him in the Mandalorian?
The scripts Lucas had planned were far more interesting and had much more potential, as well as being a continuation of the creator's vision. And I'm also in favor of a recast, especially with Sebastian Stan.
@@JoshMcSwain They used a body double and a deep fake of Mark Hamil. They then had Luke take a larger part in Book of Boba Fett, and the AI recreation of his voice was deep in the uncanny valley.
I honestly wouldn't mind them recasting Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando. But they need to MAKE IT GOOD!
People would be up for a reattempt of the sequels, but it would have to be under completely different leadership if not a different company.
Disney just completely burned up any good will that the franchise had with its base which wasn't at all helped by franchise tourists who came to glaze the sequels then leave.
The only way for them to come back would be to not only visibly and audibly distance themselves from Kennedy but to openly mock the sequels enjoyers too.
In a lot of ways favreau was mocking the sequels in season 1 and 2 of mando.
With iger and hopefully Kennedy retiring soon, Disney and LF have a great opportunity to try and regain the trust of the fans. Hopefully they take advantage of that.
Remove it all, everything after episode 6. I'm sorry but everything Disney has produced has either been worthless or has been made worthless after the fans gave them a chance. KK deserves to have her legacy removed because it is a cancerous tumor, the sooner it gets delt with the sooner star wars can heal and rebuild. One woman's ego is not worth billions of dollars.
1. Rey will never be an icon.
2. The ST was the complete opposite of very good.
3. KK's legacy is trash.
As far the OT characters go, they should recast vs using AI if they do it at all.
Hard to believe one feminist destroyed the biggest IP in the world
I rather see them recast the OT characters with Mark Hamill being a reference in the background as someone else.
Time travel but this time Rey gets left behind.
Screw Mark Hamill, he took part in those shit shows and his feeble later claims of disagreeing with the director don’t mean anything. Same for Harrison Ford, fuck that guy too (see Dial..). All worthless meat puppets who deserved our admiration to begin with.
They could easily bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Sequel trilogy treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted.
Are you sure that Arndt worked directly with George Lucas and adapted his treatments?
Not sure he worked directly with Lucas but he was let go because he told them it would take years to plan out a trilogy
I don't think Disney will ever retcon their Sequels, because to do so will admit failure, and they'll never admit failure with the Box Office success of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, which, even though The Last Jedi was so divisive, were still the top two highest grossing STAR WARS movies to date.
They don’t have to admit failure. Rise of Skywalker existing is their failure. They can’t move forward without at least disowning that movie
The box office for The Last Jedi is not a true measure of it's success. The Rise of Skywalker is the real indictment on The Last Jedi. If The Last Jedi was good, The Rise of Skywalker would have done exceptionally well, regardless of how good it is.
@brighamwhite You and I know that, but trying to explain that to an entity that only sees profit as the measure of success is like speaking a foreign language.
@steveb9713 Now you are thinking as a rational person might, with a conscience. Disney is filled with capitalists.
@@steveb9713 The failure begins with episode 7.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there.
How do you know if George's story treatments are good?
@@WorldPeace21 There are plenty of videos revealing what Lucas had planned. It was coherent with the original trilogy and it was far more interesting and had much more potential than the disaster we had, as well as being a continuation of the creator's vision.
@ I just watched a couple. Darth Maul survives and becomes a crime boss leading all the crime syndicates. Him and Darth Talon are the main villains. She does most of the fighting. The stormtroopers are still strong and are causing trouble. Leia ends up being supreme chancellor. Luke reforms the academy. The trilogy is about rebuilding after the Empire.
The other idea is that George would further explain the Whills, Midichlorians, and the microbiotic universe.
The trouble is that by the time of the sequels that George would have made is around 2014-2015. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher were all old at that point. How would he deal with that?
Star Wars needs to get past Han, Luke, and Leia. Or they can recast with younger actors.
Hey Thor. Yes. Reboot. The great thing about the contract signing between George Lucas and Disney is the six movies are untouchable and set in stone. I believe TCW is a part of that which cannot be redone. That gives a legacy aspect to Star Wars, which I’m sure fans can appreciate. Now the sequel trilogy is a different matter altogether. They can be retconned and honestly they should be. And a recast would definitely be in order and those actors are at the age of the Star Wars characters they would portray during the Mandalorian period. The only one who should get a proper casting call is Luke Skywalker. But Billie Lourd, Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover as Leia, Han and Lando are set to go. And a movie like Courtship of Princess Leia for the restart of the EU would be the right start. It’s political thriller, romantic, action and space opera all rolled into one. And would be the perfect jumping off point for a new sequel trilogy to begin the next feature with Heir to the Empire. And it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to make Thrawn the overarching villain for the entire Galactic Cold War outline for the new sequel trilogy. Just a thought.
The issue with retconning is we will never see the ot trio again due to Carrie's death(cgi wouldn't count and I wouldn't care). So yeah the universe will be fixed but the fan experience can't be.
Her death and the fact ford basically said the only reason he’d come back for 7 is if he could die too
Anthony Ingruber is still out there looking like Harrison fords much younger clone.
He should of been cast in the Solo movie,as much as I liked Aldens take on it.
graham hamilton for luke as well. he did the performance art for luke in bobf and actually looks like a younger mark hamill
@@Austin-ws9eo To me, even though Graham doesn't look that similar to Mark head on, what I loved about the tiny glimpses of his performance from the Disney Gallery special was his enthusiasm and dedication to wanting to embody Luke, and the more gentle, nuanced quality he exuded that the CGI abomination wasn't able to capture (since, duh, we're not looking at a real human face that can fully emote). I was PISSED when someone posted photos of Graham in costume in what looked like a deleted scene, because he brings the dignity and gravitas of a post-ROTJ Luke so well. I so badly wish he'd been allowed to just act instead of being a stand-in meat puppet.
Something else I've been blown away by is how eerily similar Elizabeth Dulau from Andor (playing Kleya Marki) looks like Carrie Fisher. Graham, Elizabeth, Anthony, and Donald Glover as the big 4, I'd be absolutely content with.
All round better with lookalikes that can pull off the vibe. Alden was decent as people have said
"Would Disney really erase Kennedy’s “Legacy” and redo the Sequels?"
That is my one request for regaining my trust Disney.
Maybe it’s better for the franchise to just end…
Maybe it’s best to think before saying something.
@@achaudhari101right, because the franchise is doing sooo well. 🙄
@@achaudhari101cope fool
@@achaudhari101 We have been thinking. For years. There's no point in sticking to the franchise on the off chance a fraction of the failures they come up with actually do good. It's not sustainable, and you ARE in the minority if you refuse to admit that Disney has burned the franchise to the ground. It's not about fixing it at this point. We don't owe Disney Star Wars a chance. They have fucked up far too much. They owe US good content if they expect US to pay money for their content.
Disney is killing it, all they'll throw it in the trash in a few years, and they'll barely understand why people turned away from the brand to begin with.
They would do something wild like remake the OT before they retcon the sequels. Get ready for Timothee Chalamet as Luke Skywalker lol
Kevin Hart as R2-D2
The Rock as Chewbacca
Ariana Grande as Princess Leia
so ready for this remake to hopefully never happen
right!? thats the only way i can see them doing anything like this. start over with a "reimaging" and make it what they want and any changes or differences from what they did before can just be explained away.
@@6.H.0.5.7 They'd cast Zendaya instead.
Fortunately the six movies can’t be touched as per the contract signed between George Lucas and the Walt Disney company.
@@terrythompson1873I think this is just a theory, I don’t think we know that for a fact
The best way I can put my stance on a reboot idea is like this: just because the insurance company financed the rebuilding of a house that burnt down, that doesn't mean we should forget what happened to necessitate rebuilding the house. We all saw it happen, and some irreplaceable things are now no longer with us. It changed a lot of things forever. There is no unseeing it, or undoing it.
Yes, these characters need to be recast. Recasting is how such iconic characters live on through the generations; i.e. Spider-Man, Batman, James Bond.
But before we can seriously have the recasting discussion, we need to wipe all Disney canon and start over. Short of doing this, any serious attempt at rehabilitating the series is a nonstarter. I understand that this isn’t going to happen for the foreseeable future, and that’s a shame because the franchise has already lost a generation, and is losing more ground while they continue to try to put band-aids on bullet wounds.
AI.
The actors are either dead or have went batshit insane.
I think a recast is the best bet, given how people have reacted negatively to AI doubles recently.
And how can't we forget the CGI recreation of Peter Cushing in Rogue One. I don't care if they got their family's approval, that was kind of creepy
I like that movie and it's still the biggest flaw for me. That stupid CGI, I can even respect it as side entry and complimentary but those CGI Tarkin and Leia ruin it for me.
I can't believe they didn't use the original actor who mo capped Tarkin who had the chops and could've just been given a touch up with make up@@pablocasas5906
Keep mando s1/2, andor, rogue one minus the ending where Vader sees leia’s ship escape, bad batch, rebels, skeleton crew, and the mando episode of bobba I think that covers everything good
I remember the end of the second season of the mandalorian, the while stilted due to technical limitations return of Luke Skywalker brought one thing to all the Star Wars fan base, Joy! The design, from the costume to the setup to the music, it set off all our nostalgia and memories of why we loved this franchise and Lucasfilm should have jumped to recast Luke, Leia and Han right then and there. They could have gotten three actors signed up to play these parts for the next decade and introduced them as bit parts in their planned shows, reintroducing them back into Star Wars before doing a show or film staring them. We had a Luke in the muddled book of Boba Fett who could have been played by an actor who could have carried the role forward, Leia and Han could have appeared as characters on Coruscant during Ashoka and the hype, the mainline drug of the Star Wars fan could have been ignited at the thought of a stand alone project with our original trilogy heroes once again flying and fighting amounts the stars.
But it’s Disney/Lucasfilm, and they are always late to the party, if they actually bother to turn up at all.
And they wanted to ruin the legacy characters
Why are we still trying to bring back these old characters??
Thr Skywalker story has been told. There is too much emotion and sentimentality attached to those characters.
If you want the "Further Adventurss of Ham and Luke", read the EU.
But the movies HAVE to move in a new direction. There is no sense continuing to drag out the zombies of old actors- whether digitally or their increasingly aged selves.
Let's move 100 years to the future with new characters.
Dark Fate retconning Terminator 3 onward, did not save the Terminator franchise, and considering how they've handled every franchise they've bought, retconning wouldn't be done well (and doubling down is more likely).
"Only canon they would need to follow... the key points (Jedi, Force, Space Travel)"
Jedi - Acolyte showed the Jedi are evil fools.
Force - Kenobi etc showed they see the force only about power LIMITLESS POWER!!!
Space Travel - The Holdo Maneuver
... yeah, we're doomed.
Yeah well, the key is they'd have to return it with a good movie. Terminator hanging curtains, jfc.
Dark Fate killed off John Connor, and replaced her with a “girl boss” loser, so yeah, of course it failed
We were doomed when Disney bought LucasFilm and George Lucas appointed Kathleen Kennedy as its President.
Yeah but Terminator Dark Fate was a piece of crap, they'd have to make a good movie.
@@edwardcohen1184I mean you say that like the ones with big strong men did any better or do you want to talk about salvation
I will say I definitely remember people having a problem with the Han Solo recasting. Heck half the reason the movie failed was people didn’t like the casting.
I'd argue the reason was more TLJ than the recast, and for timeperiods that are many years from when we see the main cast in the OT a recast is fine as they would look different anyway
I'd bet anything Disney has a secret team of Imagineers trying to figure out how to un-destroy a franchise and get it to somehow, return. Won't be long now.
You really don't have much intelligence if you think Disney is smart enough to care about that.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted. I think it can be done, in the style of 'The Snyder Cut' promotion, but to be honest, Lucasfilm under Kennedy is too stubborn/proud.
The Imagineers with the motivation and skills to do that generally already left Disney and went to other places. Many of them ended up at Universal Studios to work on the new Monsters section of that park.
“Star Wars has somehow returned..”
They had some. Kathleen Kennedy saw how they might threaten her and had them fired.
Retcon all Disney Star Wars and use animation/CGI for the original character's and do it right this time!
It's honestly the only way they can make Star Wars interesting again and save the brand's image.
Erase sequels from the existence, recast them all. But First, fired KK and Filoni.
Sorry, but in my eyes there is nothing Disney can do to save the brand. Not in their current state at any rate. There is no love, passion or understanding of what made Star Wars great anywhere in the halls of Disney. The only reason the first two sequal movies did anything close to good is because people gave Disney a chance. They burned up all that good will over the years to satisfy an array of agendas that just go against the nature of Star Wars.
Only a purge of the people who caused this, the repudiation of their work, and potentially the sale of the franchise can save it. There can be no redemption without them at least taking responsibility for this travesty. I know, at least for me, that is what it will take before I spend another dime on anything Disney or Lucas Firm produces, be it Star Wars or otherwise. If the franchise or the company as they exist have to die for that to be accomplished, then so be it. We don't owe Disney Star Wars a thing.
Recast. Anthony Ingruber is a dead ringer for Han Solo and played a younger Harrison Ford in The Age Of Adeline. Carrie Fisher’s daughter Billie Lourde is an obvious choice. The Winter Soldier himself, Sebastian Stan has an uncanny likeness to Luke. That’s all you need. A little makeup or cgi tweaks and you have the core 3 characters. Ewan and Hayden as force ghosts. Bring back George Lucas to write the story, and hire directors like Peter Jackson, Steven Spielberg who could really make it work.
I think they can redo sequels, but don't set them like 30 years after ROTJ. Set them like 8 years after ROTJ. Imperial Remeant is in hiding. Thrown comes back. Luke trains the new generation of Jedi Knights. I think that's safe. But for the wild card. Bring Desann and Kyle Katarn in.
What's TROJ is that supposed to be ROTJ or is it one of the sequels I refused to watch?
@@Harding1077 Return of the Jedi, I thought it's The Return of Jedi.
The third one of the OT. Decent mostly but did start showing signs of where the franchise would go @@Harding1077
And to make it official at some point luke see vision's off the original sequels and he thinks there are real until it's reveal that the way that future vision's work in star wars is that it looks at another universe that can only be seen but not touch and luke was looking at 30 universes to far with the end of the new sequel trilogy been a time jump in which everything is more aline with legends and maybe as a way off don't piss off the few fan's of the sequels it's frame as rey finding a way to connect the two universes tru a portal and seeing the difference and then seeing luke alive and happy as it can be in this universe.
Her legacy is trash and a failure that split the fanbase let's call a spade a spade.
If you get rid of KK sequel trilogy, "basically you're saying her legacy is trash" - YES, exactly. No one has the right to a positive legacy. That's just ego. She turned Lucas SW legacy to trash. It's time to return the favor.
This is the elephant in the room nobody was willing to address back then - truth is the original trio were already too old for this shit in 2015, the only sequel trilogy you could make even at that point was a passing of the torch story.
Kathleen’s legacy, as perceived by Star Wars fans, might be akin to Mike Tyson’s. However, I doubt the general public will share the same sentiment. Star Wars is George Lucas’s legacy, encompassing both its triumphs and failures. While Disney’s focus on profit seems evident during times of underperformance, like with Star Wars, it’s worth noting that Disney owns multiple successful studios. Despite this, Disney rarely receives credit for its achievements. The crux of the matter lies in Disney’s decision to allow Lucasfilm to continue its decline.
Just moving to the future, in a lot of peoples’ minds would still be built off what happened in the Sequels.
And eventually they would make in-between stories to fill narrative gaps, and create connective tissues.
This isn’t the fix people think it would be.
It definitely would still be connected. The 'move to the future of the timeline' concept was a good one if you were looking for an alternative to the sequel trilogy. It would've let Disney get away from everything everyone held dear and experiment a bit in a contained zone.
But now all you'd be doing is just spreading the infection.
One nice thing about AI is that there's no need for this to be an exclusive decision. Disney can go ahead and recast the characters. At the rate that AI is advancing, in a year or two fans will be able to stick the recast movies into the AI and swap them out for the original characters' likenesses whether Disney likes it or not.
Everybody wins. Except Disney, about whom I care nothing.
Disney should just focus on the upcoming 50th anniversary of Star Wars: A New Hope, and not work on anything else for a few years. Give it a run in theaters for the 50th and get people excited again...or at least try! They can give us a new post credit scene that can bring the story into ESB. That would likely bring many back, in my opinion. Star Wars is a movie experience that you see in theatres.
Keep up the great content, Thor Skywalker!👍
The Coffee Bringer became a Gurl Boss, and millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were silenced by her agenda.
As long as Disney and Lucasfilm remain as they are, nothing is ever going to get retconned, unless it was anything pre-Disney. Although for recasting or AI, it will not matter either way, most of the fanbase is already long gone and have become apathetic. So, they can do what ever they want, no one cares anymore.
Then they’re no different than Kennedy as being a threat to the franchise. Stupid people they are.
@@achaudhari101 It does go deep, probably only way to save Star Wars is to sell it as a stand alone IP for cheap or Public Domain it. If not, it will just become worthless garbage down the road.
@ How about neither of those options.
@@achaudhari101 Good luck then, you will need it.
@ For them, not me.
They will erase the "sequels" when they realize that they are weighing down Star Wars like a lead weight. They are a creative and commercial dead end.
Gotta also reboot Mando. Luke offering Grogu no attachments was so dumb .
How to "redo the sequels" despite the issues with real life circumstances?
Easy.
Just do what the Clone Wars did. Get voice actors that sound as close as possible to the original cast and let them be the future of Star Wars. Despite the Clone Wars show being over, other shows are still using its style like in Tales of the Jedi. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't use it again.
All that would need to be done is scrap the sequel trilogy along with any and all mandoverse content, WHOLE CLEAN SLATE. Start fresh with everything and I mean EVERYTHING post Return of the Jedi and do a proper adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy, The Uuzang Vong, The 2nd Galactic Civil War. The fan interest is in those books. Thats where the money is. Of course its an adaptation, it won't be a one to one, you'll still have to address Ahsoka and Ezra Miller from Rebels. But this time, you have the main focus on the original trilogy cast and let them be the main push for the story. This is the best way narrative wise that could get fans back on board.
It should never have been damaged this much in the first place, it was her shear bloody hubris that ruined the franchise.
This is such a false dichotomy. Here's an alternate idea: move on. The Star Wars setting is so incredibly vast and complex that this slavish devotion to a single bloodline breaks suspension of disbelief. Personally, I won't shed a tear if I never hear the name "Skywalker" ever again. Just look at Visions for how much potential there exists in this universe, and we'll never get to see it if we keep obsession over a handful of characters. If Star Trek can move on past TOS, Star Wars should be able to do so. Nothing says the sequel trilogy has to be about Skywalkers, it just has to deal with the repercussions of what's come before.
Ok Thor, on three: "her legacy is trash"
8:48 I love how the three on the left and centre look so excited or happy to be there; and then there’s Harrison Ford with a look on his face of “I can’t believe they’ve got me doing this shit again.” 😂
Just make a What If like version in animated form that is faithful to George Lucas’ treatment for the sequels.
Legends is the adventures of Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. George's treatments don't include them, ergo, George's sequels can't and won't fit in Legends, and we've already bombed them out of canon once, I couldn't stand to see them do it again.
@@saberiandream316Ah. OK. I just mean like a “What If” and announce it as non canon but then people can still decide to internally make it canon for themselves.
I think Disney is developing a sort of What if...? Series focused on Star Wars, but it would be a Disney+ series
A retcon -- de-canonizing the trilogy -- is the ONLY way I'll come back. (And my kids, too!)
Let a few years go by. Then make a "Thrawn Movie Trilogy" with a new cast.
They made Thrawn a complete moron in Ashoka. Instead of keeping him actually smart and effective, they made him what dumb people think is smart.
@@jeremyh6983 I didn't even watch the Ashoka show. But I didn't hear good things about him in that show.
One of the biggest issues is fucking up Luke, he would of confronted Kilo and said "I know you still have light in you" instead that had Luke Troll Kilo and not even help his sister, he used a force ghost which was a cope out.
It’s better for them to explore concepts of the far future in the Star Wars galaxy, at least 1000+ years after the battle of Yavin. Honestly after the failure of The High Republic I have little faith in their R&D department to even create a compelling storyline set centuries into the future.
High republic didnt fail XD
@kyzit8458Yes it did
@kyzit8458 how did it succeed?
@@jibril2473 it had 3 phases of books and comics, a young children tv show, was very involved in jedi survivor's story. If it wasnt a success it would only have one phase just like the acolyte had only one season. Stop coping and if you didnt read any of it try the light of the jedi book.
@kyzit8458Sorry, but rock Jedi and non-binary was enough
Disney might get desperate enough to do a remake of the original trilogy, but maybe not desperate enough to not use ai, or push the same all can do girl boss trope.
I think AI is risky at this point. You have a better chance recasting wholesale, I think. It's arguably more important to get the *feel* of the character right than it is to get the looks exactly right. I think Last Jedi proved that.
If they remade the sequels, I’d rather see them re cast. Disney has done so much damage to the characters, and even J.J. Abrams, and Dave Filoni, destroying any story whatsoever that could’ve been had. I can’t imagine Harrison Ford, or Mark Hamill coming back after what’s gone on. Either forget the sequels, or just get GOOD WRITERS!
AI couldn’t be worse… and KK is the biggest failure in Hollywood! Retcon everything since 2012
The AI vs Recast issue is up to the actors or their surviving family.
- Harrison seems fine with the de-aging effects.
- Mark has stated near the beginning of that strike (which was over ai writing and digital actor overlays), that he would not be reprising his Luke in live action, that instead they should recast with a new younger actor and pay them like they would any other star.
- Not sure about Carrie’s daughter…
With the Rebooting of the Sequels or moving the series into the far future?
1 - there isn’t much need for a reboot. Star Wars has had a tiered canon system with an alternate universe and non-canon going to back to the pre-EU era until 2015.
- Just bring that system back and add the new canon to it as alternate universe. Lucas’ 6 movies as top tier canon.
- The TV shows and new movies in the next lower tier.
- Make Filoni’s Mando-verse ambiguous as to where it fits in, to avoid the sequel canon / Old EU drama.
- Divide everything else into (everything developed outside of LucasFilm, like books, comics, games) into two eras; make all of the pre-prequel era stories (canon and Legends EU) in-canon legend rather than outright canon or not-canon.
I mean, 25,000+ years of history that is barely touched and can be easily worked around. And if they want to adapt one of the old stories with some changes, it would be just another version of an old legend. With the canon explanation being that since most of the stories center around Jedi vs Sith conflicts, and Palpatine altered or destroyed that from the official historical archives, tales, legends and local record is all that they had to based the stories on. And that way, they would have actual (and somewhat consistent) to build off of, instead of cherry picking the few things they’d like and altering it (Ki-Adi-Mundi’s age?)
- Then with the post Original Trilogy era being alternate universe. With the old EU being in one, the new canon belonging to another, and Filoni’s stuff being uncommitted to either.
- Then all the source books, gaming elements, pre-EU stuff, and promotional materials being a tier below that.
- Then the non-canon bin.
2 - “A Long, Long Time Ago…”. Presumably, Lucas’ idea was that we have these stories “…From a Galaxy Far, Far Away.” thanks to the data cores of either R2-D2 or C-3PO which traveled a very long time from a distant galaxy. So, setting any new stories too far into the future from the Original Trilogy, just doesn’t seem right. Not to mention that writers will be too tempted to fall back to the same old Jedi vs Sith formula, which is what the Skywalkers put an end to.
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It’s not that hard.
Yes.
Recast.
Re canonise Legends.
And erase Kennedy’s godawful crap
Sadly they'll never scrap the sequels but they really, REALLY should
As for main characters, I absolutely don't mind recasting. Luke, Han and Leia are "just" characters, not some kind of saints you have to bow and pay respect to. First hire creative and competent screenwriters to actuallty come up with a good story involving them. Then pick the right tools to get the job done. Telling a compelling and deep story would be the greatest tribute to those characters.
Kennedy is the WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO STAR WARS!!!
What's wrong with acknowledging that?
She set out to make millions of people hate something they loved!!
I will only support Star Wars & Disney again if they erase the Disney Trilogy from canon and make authentic Star Wars. Until that happens, I don't even care about what others say is good now, because if connected to Disney's Garbage Trilogy, it's not good. Yes, even the Mandalorian is trash in my opinion because it has to mention the first order. Some good parts in Mandalorian, ruined by that.
Clone Wars is my favorite and haven't even seen their garbage season 7, since I know it's not as good as George Lucas's planned season 7, as well I haven't seen The Bad Batch even though I looked forward to that plotline when it was unfinished from George's 7th season.
Go away fake fan.
@achaudhari101 Youre the fake fan. Oh and forgot to put your makeup on, here you go 🤡
@@eldenvedetta635 I'm talking to a fake fan that thinks clone Wars is fake despite it not being that way.
@@achaudhari101 You're a fake fan who thinks Disney Clone Wars is even close to as good as Lucas would have made it 😂 You really are just a joke. Here's your makeup you keep forgetting 🤡🤡🤡
@@achaudhari101sounds like someone hasn't taken enough copium
This won't take away that they ruined the real Mark Hamill's and Harrison Ford's and Carrie Fisher's legacies! They completely disrespected those actors and the fact that the last time we'll ever see them on screen was ruined will make me hate Disney forever
I PRAY this happens, but I will never hold my breath on it. :P
Unfortunately it's not going to happen because it's Disney. Disney has always been about pandering to the liberal agenda and they are going to continue to do so. As long as Kathleen Kennedy is in charge, it's not going to change and the thing is though is that Kathleen Kennedy is in charge of lucasfilm not Disney and Disney is about wanting to make that liberal money. They don't care about what the fans want
The only thing that would frustrate me with redoing the sequels is that theyd probably get rid of the force awakens too, which i thought (although largely a retread of a new hope) was a very solid foundation for the new trilogy because of the potential each character in the new cast had. So many cool and unique avenues they couldve went down with each character arc, none of which were actually done justice in episodes 8 and 9
If they redo the sequels, each Star Wars movie, from here on out, will is only going to make a fraction of what the Sequels made. It will not matter the quality of the films because fans will know any of these stories can be erased and rewritten in an instance.
The best decision for them to make would be to either A) Adapt the Lucas story treatments to an animated series in the style of The Clone Wars, or, if they were ambitious, to created a live action version with recasts. B) Bring Michael Arndt's original Episode 7 script (which was a direct adaptation of George Lucas' Episode 7 story treatments) out of the Lucasfilm vault, and take it from there. Michael Arndt was the only person who worked with George Lucas directly on the Episode 7 story treatments before Lucas decided to sell Lucasfilm to Disney, and after then, they fired Arndt and locked the script away, but I am sure it is still there, waiting to be adapted. I think it can be done, in the style of 'The Snyder Cut' promotion, but to be honest, Lucasfilm under Kennedy is too stubborn/proud.
That’s only true when the majority isn’t asking specifically for it.
Only a small minority will feel that way. The vast majority would be in favor of retconning those god awful movies lol
Filoni has no problem erasing the books and the continuity they established despite promising otherwise.
@ Even if it was a 75% in favor to 25% not in favor, you would more than likely be alienating the 25% not in favor thus not getting their money. The next question would be, would the 75% in favor go out and see the film multiple times like they did TFA. Chances are the answer is no, thus reducing profit margins even more. I'm not saying a retcon of the sequels wouldn't turn a profit, they very well could. I'm saying it wouldn't be as big of a hit as TFA or even TLJ/RoS.
I think that Kathleen Kennedy’s movies, should be marked as events, that happened in a parallel universe.
That having REY as the daughter of a villain, and the successor of LUKE SKYWALKER.
And FINN being a side character, who becomes friends with REY.
Best bet is to retire the franchise. There is no need for more content.
No.
@@achaudhari101I know this seems shocking but take the time to consider reality. Once we take the Skywalker Saga out of Star Wars it is just a setting that we like because it reminds us of the Skywalker Saga. That doesn't guarantee that any other stories told in that setting deserve our attention.
Disney isn't making bad content to spite us. They are creating bad content because it is what they are capable of making. The original trilogy was a once in a lifetime lightning in a bottle event that has never been replicated. Every attempt to create more content since then has been of lesser quality that is watering down the franchise. It's time to let it go and quit before it becomes utterly worthless.
@@jasonreynolds6643 The reality is that we're in the worst part and that it will eventually get to the good part again and you don't want to be wrong. That's the reality. That and you're still here despite your whole shtick that the franchise is dead when it isn't.
@@achaudhari101 My only interest in the topic is helping people to come to terms with it being over. I thought about it for a long time and realized that it has never gotten better. It has always been downhill from the OT. We try to convince ourselves otherwise because we are afraid to let go but we are only deluding ourselves. For all of the hype The Expanded Universe was very repetitive for many novels. The Prequels were largely dismissed. Even the Clone Wars cartoon wasn't great consistently. Most of Disney's content is garbage. It will never be good again. I am trying to help people realize this and let go.
@@achaudhari101 theirs no guarantee that it will get better. Their not getting rid of the sequels and lack proper talent and skill unlike other franchise to branch out into new era/ new characters with actually impact ir not forgettable.
No different than halo, star trek, etc ya, their pumping out stuff for it, but vast majority of it inferior to old content you had before in that's keep being produce.
Star wars, halo, trek, etc are just around now to make quick buck, very less so for actually good story.
Hey Thor, do you think if they ever did decide to re-do the sequels that they’d finally make proper use of George Lucas’ original plans for them?
Feel like that’s something that would grab people’s attention, especially with a lot of the recent prequel appreciation, that people would want to see the creator of Star Wars’ vision fully realised in some form on the big screen.
I think there’s room to use AI if we’re going for an animated style that’s as close to live action as it can be. This could be a really nice way to expand the story’s with the original characters. Picture something between The Clone Wars Animations and Final Fantasy. By this point though the whole feature could look live action, but be completely animated. I think that will be the ultimate goal.
Something needs to change with Star Wars, I’m past the point of being angry. I simply do not care anymore. Hell, I heard how good skeleton crew was, not watching it cause I simply do not care. I have no excitement for this franchise anymore.
Id personally love to see Billie Lord play Leia.
They’ll never decannonize their trilogy. People, especially idealogues, NEVER admit they’re wrong about something. In 50 years I’ve never seen it happen.
Millie Bobby Brown as Leia and Sebastian Stan as Luke.... who's with me?!?!??! ✊️
That's quite an age gap for twins... 😅
@@jonathanryan9946 true. But with make-up, fx, de-aging tech, etc... I think it could work. Those 2 would be the closest we have to Carrie and Mark in their prime
@jonathanryan9946 funny thing is, Carrie Fisher was 18 when they started shooting New Hope. I think that's what MBB is right now...
How about Matthew Mercer and Misty Lee from Battlefront 2 in terms of voice acting?
Oh god anyone else lmao
One thing I think could work is doing something like ”the clone wars” for the galactic civil war. Make a series, animated or live action, about Han, Luke, Leia and the gang, where they fight against the empire in a series format somewhere in between the original movies. It could be like Rebels, but with the main cast, in a short series format.
Hamill has completely turned into a full blown clown show embarrassment lol
Doesn't mean we can't tell him to take a big break.
Yeah he's a full on commie.
The only way I will watch any new Star Wars is if they say everything under Disney was an alternate universe and redo the sequels right- it could be done so easily with just a few tweaks and a little character and story appreciation
If they HAVE to move forward with legacy characters (the old characters for a new generation) it's probably best that they recast. Anthony Ingruber as Han, Sebastian Stan as Luke, Billie Lourd as Leia. Chewie 2.0 is already in place and Lando is up for grabs and there are plenty of competent voice actors who can approximate James Earl Jones if they ever need to revisit Vader again.
If Disney did reboot the sequels and followed the general story of the Legends books, that’d be amazing.
The big question is whether it would be AI, new actors, or animated. AI could work, but that’s a lot of AI usage for three movies. New actors could work more easily, but you’d need to get very similar-looking people, as Mark Hamill basically IS Luke. Animated would be the easiest route, but it could cause some people to ignore it.
I respect that people keep talking about Star Wars but just face it, Disney killed Star Wars. The sequels were horrible, the shows with a couple exceptions are awful. They ruined the lore, the Jedi, Luke, Fett, Han, Leia and her random flight through space…they just destroyed the IP. For me I check in once in a while on these videos but honestly…as a life long Star Wars fan, having seen the original at 4 years old in the theater, I left it behind. It’s crappy but I can’t invest in this garbage.
Hey Thor, I think the only option to bring the interest of the fandom back is using Lucas's script. His "sequel trilogy". It always shouldve been done that way. Leave Skywalker Saga for Lucas and do Your own disney-stuff in any timeline with any (new) characters You want. You always remind us that prequels have their flaws but they are SOMETHING. There is an actual idea behind these movies. Thats why we love them.
Aaaand.... let Luke find entry to world between Worlds in first movie of Lucas sequels and let him see the future when he almost kill Ben. And give him someone to deal with this, go through it. For example Anakins force ghost. This will begin to make things right. And it will make Disneys Sequels simply a vision of future which, according to Yoda, uncertain is
Nothing will change until KK is gone (and possibly not until she’s buried). Iger has to go away first too.