killing off carl, jesus and morales and one of the excuses for all 3 was that the cast was just to big, just to bring in 5 new characters immediately after all being the most boring people you've ever met
actually scratch that how is LUKE boring? the new cast additions were perfectly viable. totally unfair to devalue them just because other characters were killed off before they were introduced.
@@nathxn05 I'm not saying they're horrible characters, but instead I'm saying 2 things: why kill off fan favorites because you couldn't give the actor the screen time needed then just introduce FIVE new main characters we don't know, & objectively speaking, Carl, Jesus and Morales are far superior characters than any of the new group in pretty much every way. Connie was cool, the others had the most meaningless storylines and dialogue that didn't matter, I like the actors, the addition of their characters in place of fan favorites was extremely silly. Imagine instead of watching Kelly lose her hearing in season 10 then all of a sudden be fine in season 11, we saw Jesus become the leader of Hilltop and have him deal with his home being destroyed by the Whisperers. Just an example
@@CallMeElChapo Carl and Jesus I understand, but what's the problem with killing off Morales? He wasn't a fan favorite or anything, and if we follow the story, he had known Rick for like 2 weeks, they hadn't even met each other in years, so they weren't close, at all. To Morales, Rick was the bad guy, so he was about to kill him, so Daryl smoked Morales first.
@@dwightyboy5324 season 5 was the first time I ever had the thought in my head that I wasnt enjoying what was going on at all which was during the beth hospital stuff. Actually missed a episode premiere for the first time in the entire show cause I just didn't care about that whole storyline and probably the next week or whatever I think I saw the rerun before the next episode. That was just a hiccup for me I still loved the rest of the season and loved seasons 6 and 7 too for the most part. Negans first appearance is still by far my favorite episodes and the shows absolute peak for me. It wasn't until season 8 that it started hitting irreversible damage territory and by midway through season 9 I was checked out completely. Absolutely chored through the final season and a half when they hit Netflix and the only spin off I've been able to finish has been the ones who live which even with being able to finish it I had a lot of problems with it.
I rewatched the entire series…to me the golden years were from season 1 to right before they made it to Alexandria…I don’t remember what season that was. I just remember that season in Alexandria there were ton of filler episodes…maybe I’m remembering wrong but they were hoarding walker & that seem to take forever…. However imo the last episode of season 6(savior career day) & first ep of season 7 were imo the greatest episode in TWD…
It peaked with "Terminus", which was an amazing season premiere episode, then idk what happened, but it slowly started winding down when they started the Alexandria story and became a different show. I finally fell off watching weekly episodes by season 7 because it became so drawn out and predictable. I think them trying to follow the comics too much, killed things. It literally feels like 2 halves of 2 different shows.
As someone who puts the downfall point of the show WAY LATER than a lot of other people Carl's death was that moment for me. I still loved it up to that point but especially as someone that read the comics and knew his biggest storyline was coming up next that was simply infuriating to see. Not to mention the simple fact that he never died at all at any point in the entire run of the now complete comic series so that by itself was enough reason to hate it. From that point Rick left too a season later and quite literally the entire heart and soul of the series was gone. Which I don't blame the actor too much for he left for personal reasons but it doesn't change the fact that it gutted the quality out of the show.
They did this with way too many characters, honestly. I will never not be mad about Beth being killed after giving her an entire arc. They screwed Chandler and Emily so bad, they both bought houses close to set right before being basically fired for turning 18.
Truly awful decision. When we got the Rick spinoff it was great to see him catch up with Judith but the scene with RJ was bland & boring. How great would it have been for Rick to reunite with Carl
I was done caring, by that point. Like, you don't just kill off the main protagonist's son. It's bad writing form and when they kept so many other characters that nobody cared about around, it's just a slap in the viewer's face.
I think that was more of a testament to Daryl’s character. The fact that he was able to kill someone he once knew so easily tells you where Daryl was at that point in the series.
Not that I loved Morales but they could have done something different. He could have been a prisoner and end up like Alden. We could have learned more about the Saviors from his perspective. It was a weird decision for sure.
@@tyw2675 I agree but at the same time a lot of the characters were just normal people that never shot a gun before the apocalypse so it sort of makes sense to have them not be knowledgeable about the use of firearms.
I think if they were even gonna bother bringing him back they should’ve at least kept him around for a little while. It just felt so lazy and all around pointless.
@@jerrystakes haha, loved the vid but i did disagree with you on that i think that moment was quite perfectly protrayed with how things turned out. morales was done with the nostalgia and was turning to shoot rick. and honestly it felt to me like darryl was ouside the room the whole time. there was nowhere else to go at that point so darryl did it before morales could.
I liked Morales, and I liked that scene in Ep.2/3 of S8, I think It was basically here to show the saviors from another perspective, that they aren't all just villains but also people out there trying to survive, like Gracie's father that Rick killed just before he met Morales. It gave Rick a new perspective of things, we could see how It affected him and that was important fo the storytelling and Rick's character arc towards the end of the season. Also I think the actor that played Morales did a great job at portraying him and portray that drastic change between Season 1 and 8.
I actually liked what they did, although bringing him back was pretty redundant. He was barely a character to begin with. Daryl was right, it didn't matter who he was, he was with the enemy. And he clearly didn't care when he saw Rick again, even though Rick did. I honestly would've appreciated seeing Jim as a walker more. He had way more screen time than Morales did.
There's quite a few decisions the walking dead made that were flat out dumb , Morales coming back for 5 minutes just to die, Carl dying, Sadiiq dying, Tara dying after she just started to become fleshed out, Enid dying after she just started to become interesting, Tyreese dying, Sasha dying, Noahs death after Beth died for him, Jesus dying how he did with as skilled as he was. So many poor character deaths for shock value.
Jesus’s actor was getting pissed off with the director and asked to have his character killed off. His actor literally trained to learn martial arts just so he could audition for the role of Jesus cause that was his favorite character in the comics. However the entire time throughout all out war they weren’t utilizing him every iconic moment he had in the comics they were giving to Maggie and it was taking away from his character.
I don't think anyone felt bad when Sasha died. That actor is the biggest plank of wood and her character was erratic and angry to the point of annoyance. Tyreese had the most pointless preventable death ever.
@@BlazingOwnager how you described Sasha was exactly how I felt about Glenn which made me asked why so many people liked him. Also to me, Tyrese had the saddest death of the show. Him crossing over with the little girls who died telling him to cross over with them still pulls my heart strings
Tbf this might not be the saddest death but shiva the tiger dying to a couple walkers even though shes an adult bengal tiger and there rotting humans like one tiger once killed 400 people in india
In my opinion, I feel like they wasted his character. It would've been a cool idea for Morales to have survived. If I was a writer, instead of Daryl killing him, he would knock him unconscious and both him and Rick could've taken him prisoner. In fact, he would be one of the few Saviors who would become good overtime after getting his backstory beforehand. Btw, I would've shown how his family died and when the Saviors found him. I would have him survive through the All Out War Arc, the Whisperer Arc, and have him get killed in the Reaper Arc to at least make it feel important because the only major character who died in that storyline was Alden yet we still didn't get to see how he was killed.
It's kind of interesting that the show had three different characters that could be Allen. Morales was a guy they met early on, looks very close to the comic counterpart, and had a wife and kids. Then there was the guy named Allen who had a wife named Donna who we see die, but he's basically just Allen in name alone and joins the Governor which he doesn't do in the comics (I can't remember if he died before or after we even met the Governor). And then in season 4 we had that guy with the two kids who died and left them in the group's care where one kid kills their sibling because yadda yadda yadda. It's like Allen/Morales is one character split into three.
Yeah, there are several characters in the show that take the storyline of Donna, allen, ben and billy. We do get The whole family in the show besides Billy but they don’t have the storyline like they do in the comics besides Donna dying and allen becoming angry. Then we have Mika and Lizzy who take ben and billys storyline, Morales who fills in for the family back in season 1, carol who takes carls role in killing Billy, tyreese dies in Wiltshire Estate where Donna dies in the comics, Carl also kills a young boy back in the prison in season 3 which is similar to killing Billy etc. for such a minor family in the comics, their storyline and plot are really important to the growth of the characters. It’s also too iconic to leave out of the show
Yeah. I'm not sure why the show didn't keep Morales as the "Allen" of the show. I feel like he could have added more than T-dog. That's not to disrespect to T-dog, but the story never used his character well enough, and Morales always seemed more interesting and dynamic.
Morales should have stayed around to the end of the whisperer arc, having Beta kill an established character before his own death would have been great. Although Beta shouldn’t have killed off until near the end of the main story I think his presence would have elevated commonwealth arc.
I always thought that it did have impact, Daryl showing up and instantly killing him without hesitation showed how far they had come since season 1 and how their morals (one might say their "morales") were now a shade of grey when compared to the officer friendly attitude at the beginning. Daryl was out for revenge against the saviors and didn't care who was at the receiving end as long as it wasn't Rick's group, and this behavior shocks Rick into questioning whether they're still the good guys or if they're as "bad" (depends on perspective) as the saviors. I will agree that it was missed opportunity and more could have been done, but the impact that the short 5 minutes had on the overall season and story as a whole was pretty meaningful, in my opinion
With TWD losing both Carl and Rick along with Dwight and Morgan within episodes of Morales returning, it wouldn't have hurt the budget to add Morales as a fleshed out character. Adding 1 and losing 4 is still a net loss of 3 people. Especially since he's an OG season 1 character. Morales could have taken the role of post all out war Comic Dwight who led the sanctuary after Negan got imprisoned. Morales could have gotten shot in the head by Daryl in season 11 at the commonwealth.
I get the idea of showing this guy who was an easy going guy, a family guy, a guy Rick knew, and having him show up as a Savior. It'd be like Luke finding out some guy from his school was one of the Storm troopers holding Leia. But yeah, wasted potential. Imagine Negan realizing Morales has a connection to Rick, and making him his #3 in the saviors. Or maybe seeing Rick makes him not as viscous as the rest of Negan's band, and he becomes a double agent. But no, five minutes and done.
They tried to recreate the lost art of anything could happen. That was the last thing anyone would have predicted. Yet they played it safe with everyone besides Carl which turned out to be awful considering what we got after. But the wars, all those endless Saviors and Whispers yet hardly any of the main cast died after the few exceptions. The Reapers wiped out entire group except the main cast. Then they announced who was gonna be in the spinoffs. That took alot of the suspense
Interesting take. Actually I always thoguht Morales' return was cool. Yes, it was short and not very meaning and impactful, but I really think it served its purpose. As you just said in the beginning of your video it was interesting to see two people starting together finding themselves on opposite sides years later. And I also don't think it's bad that Morale's come back was so short lived, in fact, that's what I liked about it, especially because of what Daryl said afterwards. It doesn't matter who he was (at least not in-universe), he was an enemy and had to go. Morales even himself questioned Rick's behavior when Rick said he would try to find another way to handle this, by asking him "Why? Just because we knew each other for a few days back at the start?" And technically he's right; it was so long ago that it didn't matter anymore. It was either him or Rick, and he eventually lost. I know many fans were unsatisfied by this, but I really do think it was a bone chilling moment seeing him becoming an enemy. I actually prefer this way of how thing went than taking Morales into the group and making yet another long-lasting boring character with endless plot armour and zero personality. That's the same reason why I have no problem with the fact why we never learned what happened to Heath. Because that's one of the few things that are realistic on the show. People dissapear all the time without a trace, and especially in an apocalypse this is very likely to happen. The only thing I really didn't like about Morale's return was how they 1. announced and promoted it and edged the viewers because I really think it would've been far better if it happened out of nowhere but sadly everything is about marketing these days, and 2. how they made a cliffhanger + splitted his return into 3 different scenes which kind of took away the "vibe" and also didn't make much sense considering they killed him anyway. I think it would've been much cooler to see that 6 minute event happening in only one scene instead of a cliffhanger and multiple story switches, but I still like it as I said. I simply don't believe every single character needs a 10/10 redemption arc and a tragic and epic death. If they would've kept every single halfway interesting character to keep their story on, almost nobody would've died in those 11 seasons and the whole series would've felt like a minecraft gamemode 1 session.
@@MartinsGarage97 and it doesn't fold them or incapacitate them. You can have a .50 bmg do nothing against a walker simply because a non-main character isn't using it
It’s because Hollywood in general has committed to always showing ARs and AKs as fully automatic weapons with ridiculously high ammo capacity to set that image in people’s minds. Just subtle propaganda
I actually liked the cameo. It tied up a lose end, quickly gave us the story of what happened to him and his family, gave us his Savior story and showed us who he became. No complaints and it's probably my favorite cameo of all.
I feel like for a video on people switching sides, some good examples would be Tara starting with the Governor, then joining Rick. Eugene starting with Rick and then going to the Saviors, then back to Rick. Dwight with the Saviors and then trying to join Rick but being told by Tara of all people that you "Can't just switch sides." Jadis being in her own group, betraying Rick on 2 occasions to the Saviors, then she joins with Rick. Not to mention she then joins the CRM. And then, of course, Negan trying to integrate into Rick's group. And then him infiltrating the Whisperers to help eliminate Alpha.
Man Gimple really did mess up things for TWD over time. I'll never understand why AMC loves him so much when he's the guy who got people to give up on TWD.
Liking this video before I even hear what you have to say. Both Morales and Carl, just tossed off the show when each character offers a fully, 100%, unique perspective to the show.
I feel like he had wasted potential but I was never invested in the character and I even forgot who he was knowing I recognized him from somewhere. Carls death is still #1 worst decision for me with the entirety of season 11 being a close second
I really don’t mind what they did with him. He was such a minor character that it didn’t really matter to me. We got to see what he became and we got closure for his story. It might’ve been short, but at least we got closure. I’d compare him showing back up to Sam showing back up just to get offed at terminus.
bringing back morales was interesting especially for fans who have been around since season one like myself. This would’ve been a nice way to gain back. Some of those fans have been gone for five seasons, they could’ve been creative. They could’ve easily switched back to how they used to film the show and how they used to edit cut scenes and how Walker used to be a threat they could’ve brought all of that back since the show has turned into a basic generic looking mess. This could’ve brought back a lot of old memories for fans, not to mention, expand Rick a little bit more into ways that we’ve never seen him expand before, especially when it comes to touching on the past because that is obviously very hard for him to do given all the events that he’s been through. This could’ve been more creative, but they just did what Star Wars did introduced a very interesting character and then killed him right off…. HELL I could say the same thing about Terminator dark fate…. Nobody liked that decision😂
Morales’s return felt like the impact with Carl losing an eye with either playing a role or having some impact going forward but ended up being pointless. Carl losing his eye didn’t really cause trouble for his sight in the show and Morales gets forgotten about and never even mentioned after his death.
I was wondering what happened to him and if his kids survived. Strange to think if he stayed in Rick group he likely would have develop a relationship with Rick group. Probably would have even gotten close to Daryl and never get killed by him. Just one decision changed the outcome of his life and the show.
Season 8 was so full of bad decisions from Gimple. And fans nearly tuned out as a result. I wish Angela Kang had taken over at that point instead of just seasons 9-11. The quality of her in charge and Gimple was night & day.
Morales does not exist in the walking dead comics. He’s one of those non-exits characters in show that don’t even exist in the comics. That was one of the reasons what I hate about the show. They kept on adding pointless characters and they would steal one of the main characters story arch.
I agree that they wasted the potential, but I think that Rick meeting him after all that time really mad him question how much he's changed since back at the quarry. It also could've had Rick pondering if he lost everything just like Morales, would he had fallen in with the saviors? After Daryl NO-SCOPED Morales is when I think Rick could've been thinking "Even after this war is there going to be anything of who I used to be left?". They def wasted potential, but I think that it was still a influential part for Ricks mindset during the war with the saviors.
I just rewatched season 8 a couple months ago. I got the distinct impression that Morales was about to k!ll Rick. So my take is that Daryl was listening off-screen and made up his mind to just merk him and not take any chances. And let's get serious: no great loss. Lol. I was not "hyped" that Morales was coming back when I heard about it during the show's run. I barely remembered him. And then he comes back and he's the enemy? Buh-bye.
I just watch The Thrifty Typewriter, it suprised me that he saw Carl's characterization in season 8 was inconsistent just like i did. And the reason of that was because Amc fired Chandler Riggs to avoid paying him the adult wage by killing him off, showing how greedy AMC is. Carl possessive traits of wanting peace were actually Morgan's, meaning Morgan was originally supposed die in that season because his comic counterpart was killed off in the arc of Alexandria overrun by walkers. With Morales alive i think he would have help Morgan convince Rick to understand Negan's intentions and spare his life, similar to the arc of his comic counterpart. The show version of all out war and Rick sparing Negan and the Saviors always felt lacklusting to me. The comic version was interesting and build up the character arc not just for Rick but for those who survived the war against the Saviors by ending conflicts of the living and coexist to fight against their real enemies, the Walkers.
The dumbest decision they made was killing off carl, completley ruining ricks character arc and then doing away with him shortly after. Even if Rick still had to go Carl shouldnt have died.
I feel like it would been a lot interesting if they explore it more as well. Both men lost so much and went on different paths which would have been cool to see how different tragedy can make people change
Oh, wow. I didn't even recognize him when he came back - it was that insignificant. Maybe I wasn't paying attention because this was the season I kind of zoned out on, but.. *sigh*
I honestly don’t blame them for bringing him back and killing him immediately. You couldn’t enter a chat without someone wanting to know where Morales is and I was getting tired of it so I’m sure they were too
I think if he got a whole episode dedicated to his story in S8 E3. We could’ve gotten to hear him and Rick catch up on what had happened and shit. There was potential here, but unfortunately it was just kinda used as another wool over the eyes moment from the writers
What happened to Morales here is nothing compared to what they did to Jake Abel's Michael in Supernatural, he was a more important character in the story, he disappeared for longer (10 years) and had a more ridiculous ending
The thing is there's a limited amount of screentime and if you bring in a Morales story then some of the story they DID tell had to not be told. I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing but what do people think a Morales storyline should have replaced - what should have been taken out? Personally I think they gave an actor they liked (and the audience had registered) a payday / bit of fan service - and I'm not always against those things.
I think the situation didn’t allow for much more interaction time. Since it was a full force attack on that base . It was a kill or be killed situation and both sides would have to end the other side as quickly as possible . Those 5 minutes shared between rick and morales were like an eternity in terms of battle. They should have brought him in during another situation so that they interacted more.
Considering Gimple and the writers would of know Rick was leaving the show at this time, the call to just kill off morales was a poor decision.... up there with moving morgan to fear, it left the main show cast weaker.
I felt the same way with Telltale's TWD Season 4 video game. Almost the exact same scenario they pulled with Eddie that the TV show did with Morales here.
That’s why they brought him back to show how much the group didn’t recognize themselves or that it is easy for someone I were close to, to be on the opposite side. That’s all, it wasn’t anything bad
Glenn actor wanted them to do it but agree with Carl who’s death was only done so Rick had a reason to save Negan which I’m glad he’s still alive but they didn’t need to kill Carl to save Negan
Would have made more sense for Morales to show up on Fear the Walking dead since he was heading West in the first place. Maybe he loses his family along the way and gets involved with shady people out there and ends up in Texas and a villain to that group.
I also feel killing off Shane was a bad idea. He could’ve ran off with that kid to his group and then came back into the later seasons. Or if he did get stabbed then pretended to be dead and then once Rick and Carl ran away from the herd then Shane could’ve ran away in a random direction, Shane in the later season probaly would’ve been huge for the show especially if he was with neegon or the governor..
I'll tell you why. I remember watching the walking dead while the episodes were coming out. All the way to the end. And the forums, and fb groups, were ALL calling for morales to come back. I honestly think the writers got really annoyed from all the speculation and anticipation so they just brought him back and killed him for 5 minutes of screen tome
I really wished they kept the Moralea family and adpted the whole Ben and Billy arc but with their kids. Because we've got to know them for many seasons and seeing the children growing up in this new world and then suddently one of them snaps. Not saying the Lizzie and Mika portions were bad, but the impact if it was one of the Morales kids who had been with the group since the early start would be way more impactful
Lol it would've been absolutely hilarious if Morales returned but he was exactly the same as we last saw him. Like all jolly and up beat and literally wearing the same clothes.
Morales should've lowered his weapon and Darryl should've shot him when he wasn't a threat anyway. It would've been a wake up call for Rick as far as what his group was becoming.
I really wish Morales would have come back as the same heroic character he was. It was so disappointing that he was with the saviors and Daryl had to kill him. I feel like it could have been a great story arc if Morales had been in a group that fought Negan.
As someone from Alabama going to Birmingham to be safe is fuckin crazy 😅😅 it's ALWAYS in the top 10 most dangerous cities in the United States, every year!!
So wait what season was he introduced? How long was the on-screen? In what season did he get killed? Also who killed him? The video wasn't really clear about that
They brought him and killed him so they can shut up the fans. But they shot themselves in the foot by killing off Carl. Yeah no coming back from that dumb decision.
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I think they were being a little snarky. Fans wanted him, they got him, and the show runner said "moving on."
@@EclecticDD I believe the quote was "doesn't matter, not one bit"
@@EclecticDD it was a cheap way to recreate the lost of art of anything could happen which was so special in the first six seasons
Yeah I thought it was funny tbh
Well considering what clueless moron the show runner was at the time its not surprising ?
@@johncap6495 what exactly r u talking about?
killing off carl, jesus and morales and one of the excuses for all 3 was that the cast was just to big, just to bring in 5 new characters immediately after all being the most boring people you've ever met
how is connie boring lol wtf
actually scratch that how is LUKE boring? the new cast additions were perfectly viable. totally unfair to devalue them just because other characters were killed off before they were introduced.
@@nathxn05 I'm not saying they're horrible characters, but instead I'm saying 2 things: why kill off fan favorites because you couldn't give the actor the screen time needed then just introduce FIVE new main characters we don't know, & objectively speaking, Carl, Jesus and Morales are far superior characters than any of the new group in pretty much every way. Connie was cool, the others had the most meaningless storylines and dialogue that didn't matter, I like the actors, the addition of their characters in place of fan favorites was extremely silly. Imagine instead of watching Kelly lose her hearing in season 10 then all of a sudden be fine in season 11, we saw Jesus become the leader of Hilltop and have him deal with his home being destroyed by the Whisperers. Just an example
@@CallMeElChapo Carl and Jesus I understand, but what's the problem with killing off Morales? He wasn't a fan favorite or anything, and if we follow the story, he had known Rick for like 2 weeks, they hadn't even met each other in years, so they weren't close, at all. To Morales, Rick was the bad guy, so he was about to kill him, so Daryl smoked Morales first.
@@shironeko5183 you're right, then his return shouldn't have been hyped up like it was, basically a big screw you to the fans
Seasons 1 to 5...were the golden years
For me the show never felt the same from seasons 6 on wards. I always preferred seasons 1-5
@@dwightyboy5324 season 5 was the first time I ever had the thought in my head that I wasnt enjoying what was going on at all which was during the beth hospital stuff. Actually missed a episode premiere for the first time in the entire show cause I just didn't care about that whole storyline and probably the next week or whatever I think I saw the rerun before the next episode. That was just a hiccup for me I still loved the rest of the season and loved seasons 6 and 7 too for the most part. Negans first appearance is still by far my favorite episodes and the shows absolute peak for me. It wasn't until season 8 that it started hitting irreversible damage territory and by midway through season 9 I was checked out completely. Absolutely chored through the final season and a half when they hit Netflix and the only spin off I've been able to finish has been the ones who live which even with being able to finish it I had a lot of problems with it.
I rewatched the entire series…to me the golden years were from season 1 to right before they made it to Alexandria…I don’t remember what season that was.
I just remember that season in Alexandria there were ton of filler episodes…maybe I’m remembering wrong but they were hoarding walker & that seem to take forever….
However imo the last episode of season 6(savior career day) & first ep of season 7 were imo the greatest episode in TWD…
@@jarvisjames4463 Agreed, but I'm sorry Negan is an amazing character.
Rick and Negan. My 2 favorite characters. Negans redemption arc is nuts.
It peaked with "Terminus", which was an amazing season premiere episode, then idk what happened, but it slowly started winding down when they started the Alexandria story and became a different show. I finally fell off watching weekly episodes by season 7 because it became so drawn out and predictable. I think them trying to follow the comics too much, killed things. It literally feels like 2 halves of 2 different shows.
Capturing Carl's death scene while saying poor decision is an understatement. They have made a graaave mistake.
As someone who puts the downfall point of the show WAY LATER than a lot of other people Carl's death was that moment for me. I still loved it up to that point but especially as someone that read the comics and knew his biggest storyline was coming up next that was simply infuriating to see. Not to mention the simple fact that he never died at all at any point in the entire run of the now complete comic series so that by itself was enough reason to hate it. From that point Rick left too a season later and quite literally the entire heart and soul of the series was gone. Which I don't blame the actor too much for he left for personal reasons but it doesn't change the fact that it gutted the quality out of the show.
They did this with way too many characters, honestly. I will never not be mad about Beth being killed after giving her an entire arc. They screwed Chandler and Emily so bad, they both bought houses close to set right before being basically fired for turning 18.
Truly awful decision. When we got the Rick spinoff it was great to see him catch up with Judith but the scene with RJ was bland & boring. How great would it have been for Rick to reunite with Carl
I was done caring, by that point. Like, you don't just kill off the main protagonist's son. It's bad writing form and when they kept so many other characters that nobody cared about around, it's just a slap in the viewer's face.
@@ami7mina grave mistake? Get it? Cos carl died? I'll show myself out
I thought it was hilarious how Daryl just one tapped him instantly😂
Same. Morales is what happens when your villains don’t have main villain plot armor lol
Daryl is their lord and savior for TWD, pretty much what’s left on the show
I think that was more of a testament to Daryl’s character. The fact that he was able to kill someone he once knew so easily tells you where Daryl was at that point in the series.
What’s crazier is that Morales died and we never got his first name.
@@Cosmic_Espeon miles
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Not that I loved Morales but they could have done something different. He could have been a prisoner and end up like Alden. We could have learned more about the Saviors from his perspective. It was a weird decision for sure.
One of their worst decisions that no one seems to mention much:
Not hiring a firearms expert to provide guidance on the show.
@@tyw2675 God, tell me about it
@@tyw2675 I agree but at the same time a lot of the characters were just normal people that never shot a gun before the apocalypse so it sort of makes sense to have them not be knowledgeable about the use of firearms.
What do you mean. Everyone on the show was sniper level shooters. One shot one kill. Always.
@@tyw2675 probably the most irrelevant decision ever lol. I understand where you’re coming from but it really doesn’t matter
I think if they were even gonna bother bringing him back they should’ve at least kept him around for a little while. It just felt so lazy and all around pointless.
@ItsMikeMatthew whats even worse is why hes so hostile. Hes basicslly feral lol
@@daoyang223It makes sense, we've seen how a lot of the show's villains made complete 180s from where they started.
"i know who it was, dont matter. not one bit.."
Lmfao love it
@@jerrystakes haha, loved the vid but i did disagree with you on that i think that moment was quite perfectly protrayed with how things turned out. morales was done with the nostalgia and was turning to shoot rick. and honestly it felt to me like darryl was ouside the room the whole time. there was nowhere else to go at that point so darryl did it before morales could.
I liked Morales, and I liked that scene in Ep.2/3 of S8, I think It was basically here to show the saviors from another perspective, that they aren't all just villains but also people out there trying to survive, like Gracie's father that Rick killed just before he met Morales. It gave Rick a new perspective of things, we could see how It affected him and that was important fo the storytelling and Rick's character arc towards the end of the season. Also I think the actor that played Morales did a great job at portraying him and portray that drastic change between Season 1 and 8.
Carl's death is the dumbest decision ever.
they chose to kill a character over a slight payment increase😐
Literally so many people I know dropped the show after his death, they literally killed the show with that
Biggest single mistake...firing darabount. Period
Agreed
when coral died, thats the dumbest decision :-(
I actually liked what they did, although bringing him back was pretty redundant. He was barely a character to begin with. Daryl was right, it didn't matter who he was, he was with the enemy. And he clearly didn't care when he saw Rick again, even though Rick did.
I honestly would've appreciated seeing Jim as a walker more. He had way more screen time than Morales did.
There's quite a few decisions the walking dead made that were flat out dumb , Morales coming back for 5 minutes just to die, Carl dying, Sadiiq dying, Tara dying after she just started to become fleshed out, Enid dying after she just started to become interesting, Tyreese dying, Sasha dying, Noahs death after Beth died for him, Jesus dying how he did with as skilled as he was. So many poor character deaths for shock value.
Jesus’s actor was getting pissed off with the director and asked to have his character killed off.
His actor literally trained to learn martial arts just so he could audition for the role of Jesus cause that was his favorite character in the comics.
However the entire time throughout all out war they weren’t utilizing him every iconic moment he had in the comics they were giving to Maggie and it was taking away from his character.
I don't think anyone felt bad when Sasha died. That actor is the biggest plank of wood and her character was erratic and angry to the point of annoyance.
Tyreese had the most pointless preventable death ever.
@@BlazingOwnager how you described Sasha was exactly how I felt about Glenn which made me asked why so many people liked him. Also to me, Tyrese had the saddest death of the show. Him crossing over with the little girls who died telling him to cross over with them still pulls my heart strings
Tbf this might not be the saddest death but shiva the tiger dying to a couple walkers even though shes an adult bengal tiger and there rotting humans like one tiger once killed 400 people in india
In my opinion, I feel like they wasted his character. It would've been a cool idea for Morales to have survived. If I was a writer, instead of Daryl killing him, he would knock him unconscious and both him and Rick could've taken him prisoner. In fact, he would be one of the few Saviors who would become good overtime after getting his backstory beforehand. Btw, I would've shown how his family died and when the Saviors found him. I would have him survive through the All Out War Arc, the Whisperer Arc, and have him get killed in the Reaper Arc to at least make it feel important because the only major character who died in that storyline was Alden yet we still didn't get to see how he was killed.
@@wolfguywerewolfchannel2099 morales is too far gone
It's kind of interesting that the show had three different characters that could be Allen. Morales was a guy they met early on, looks very close to the comic counterpart, and had a wife and kids. Then there was the guy named Allen who had a wife named Donna who we see die, but he's basically just Allen in name alone and joins the Governor which he doesn't do in the comics (I can't remember if he died before or after we even met the Governor). And then in season 4 we had that guy with the two kids who died and left them in the group's care where one kid kills their sibling because yadda yadda yadda. It's like Allen/Morales is one character split into three.
@@CrazyWeridoRH he died before they met the governor.
Yeah, there are several characters in the show that take the storyline of Donna, allen, ben and billy. We do get The whole family in the show besides Billy but they don’t have the storyline like they do in the comics besides Donna dying and allen becoming angry. Then we have Mika and Lizzy who take ben and billys storyline, Morales who fills in for the family back in season 1, carol who takes carls role in killing Billy, tyreese dies in Wiltshire Estate where Donna dies in the comics, Carl also kills a young boy back in the prison in season 3 which is similar to killing Billy etc. for such a minor family in the comics, their storyline and plot are really important to the growth of the characters. It’s also too iconic to leave out of the show
Yeah. I'm not sure why the show didn't keep Morales as the "Allen" of the show. I feel like he could have added more than T-dog. That's not to disrespect to T-dog, but the story never used his character well enough, and Morales always seemed more interesting and dynamic.
Morales should have stayed around to the end of the whisperer arc, having Beta kill an established character before his own death would have been great. Although Beta shouldn’t have killed off until near the end of the main story I think his presence would have elevated commonwealth arc.
I always thought that it did have impact, Daryl showing up and instantly killing him without hesitation showed how far they had come since season 1 and how their morals (one might say their "morales") were now a shade of grey when compared to the officer friendly attitude at the beginning. Daryl was out for revenge against the saviors and didn't care who was at the receiving end as long as it wasn't Rick's group, and this behavior shocks Rick into questioning whether they're still the good guys or if they're as "bad" (depends on perspective) as the saviors.
I will agree that it was missed opportunity and more could have been done, but the impact that the short 5 minutes had on the overall season and story as a whole was pretty meaningful, in my opinion
With TWD losing both Carl and Rick along with Dwight and Morgan within episodes of Morales returning, it wouldn't have hurt the budget to add Morales as a fleshed out character. Adding 1 and losing 4 is still a net loss of 3 people. Especially since he's an OG season 1 character. Morales could have taken the role of post all out war Comic Dwight who led the sanctuary after Negan got imprisoned. Morales could have gotten shot in the head by Daryl in season 11 at the commonwealth.
I get the idea of showing this guy who was an easy going guy, a family guy, a guy Rick knew, and having him show up as a Savior. It'd be like Luke finding out some guy from his school was one of the Storm troopers holding Leia.
But yeah, wasted potential. Imagine Negan realizing Morales has a connection to Rick, and making him his #3 in the saviors. Or maybe seeing Rick makes him not as viscous as the rest of Negan's band, and he becomes a double agent. But no, five minutes and done.
daryl having that shane mindset and killing morales right off
while rick tries to switch back just because he saw a familiar face
Killing off Carl is hands down the worst decision they've made
Stopped after that happened, that was the last nail in the coffin
I don't remember AMC teasing Morales return in the promos for season 8. It was a suprise for everyone, it leaked 4 days before the episode aired.
They tried to recreate the lost art of anything could happen. That was the last thing anyone would have predicted. Yet they played it safe with everyone besides Carl which turned out to be awful considering what we got after. But the wars, all those endless Saviors and Whispers yet hardly any of the main cast died after the few exceptions. The Reapers wiped out entire group except the main cast. Then they announced who was gonna be in the spinoffs. That took alot of the suspense
Morales only knew Rick for like a week or so
Interesting take. Actually I always thoguht Morales' return was cool. Yes, it was short and not very meaning and impactful, but I really think it served its purpose. As you just said in the beginning of your video it was interesting to see two people starting together finding themselves on opposite sides years later. And I also don't think it's bad that Morale's come back was so short lived, in fact, that's what I liked about it, especially because of what Daryl said afterwards. It doesn't matter who he was (at least not in-universe), he was an enemy and had to go. Morales even himself questioned Rick's behavior when Rick said he would try to find another way to handle this, by asking him "Why? Just because we knew each other for a few days back at the start?" And technically he's right; it was so long ago that it didn't matter anymore. It was either him or Rick, and he eventually lost.
I know many fans were unsatisfied by this, but I really do think it was a bone chilling moment seeing him becoming an enemy. I actually prefer this way of how thing went than taking Morales into the group and making yet another long-lasting boring character with endless plot armour and zero personality. That's the same reason why I have no problem with the fact why we never learned what happened to Heath. Because that's one of the few things that are realistic on the show. People dissapear all the time without a trace, and especially in an apocalypse this is very likely to happen.
The only thing I really didn't like about Morale's return was how they 1. announced and promoted it and edged the viewers because I really think it would've been far better if it happened out of nowhere but sadly everything is about marketing these days, and 2. how they made a cliffhanger + splitted his return into 3 different scenes which kind of took away the "vibe" and also didn't make much sense considering they killed him anyway. I think it would've been much cooler to see that 6 minute event happening in only one scene instead of a cliffhanger and multiple story switches, but I still like it as I said. I simply don't believe every single character needs a 10/10 redemption arc and a tragic and epic death. If they would've kept every single halfway interesting character to keep their story on, almost nobody would've died in those 11 seasons and the whole series would've felt like a minecraft gamemode 1 session.
The automatic gun fire on walkers WAS ALWAYS GOOFY TO ME. Period. You ain't hitting anything. Let alone the head.
@@MartinsGarage97 and it doesn't fold them or incapacitate them. You can have a .50 bmg do nothing against a walker simply because a non-main character isn't using it
It’s because Hollywood in general has committed to always showing ARs and AKs as fully automatic weapons with ridiculously high ammo capacity to set that image in people’s minds. Just subtle propaganda
I actually liked the cameo. It tied up a lose end, quickly gave us the story of what happened to him and his family, gave us his Savior story and showed us who he became. No complaints and it's probably my favorite cameo of all.
I feel like for a video on people switching sides, some good examples would be Tara starting with the Governor, then joining Rick. Eugene starting with Rick and then going to the Saviors, then back to Rick. Dwight with the Saviors and then trying to join Rick but being told by Tara of all people that you "Can't just switch sides." Jadis being in her own group, betraying Rick on 2 occasions to the Saviors, then she joins with Rick. Not to mention she then joins the CRM. And then, of course, Negan trying to integrate into Rick's group. And then him infiltrating the Whisperers to help eliminate Alpha.
Tbh this was just scott gimple wanting the fans to shut up about morales lol
2:42 Otto Hightower is an unwavering and loyal Hand
Lmfao I wish I edited in a pic of him when I said that
I just thought “Oh, that guy from Season 1. Okay.” And then “Oh, he’s dead now. Okay.” I didn’t think much of it.
Noah’s end hadn’t set well with me after Beth and Tyrese’s sacrifice was for him to carry on as an official member to the surviving group
It’s crazy Gimple wanted a reason why Rick spares Negan and the Saviours, yet kills off Morales who could’ve easily filled that role
I think killing Shane off so early was a bad decision
No doubt in my mind gimple did this to mess with the fans especially the ones who memed the morales is negan bit.
Man Gimple really did mess up things for TWD over time. I'll never understand why AMC loves him so much when he's the guy who got people to give up on TWD.
But where is Heath?
Liking this video before I even hear what you have to say. Both Morales and Carl, just tossed off the show when each character offers a fully, 100%, unique perspective to the show.
“Subvert your expectations” is the front runner saying for crappy Hollywood entertainment. Thanks D&D
I feel like he had wasted potential but I was never invested in the character and I even forgot who he was knowing I recognized him from somewhere. Carls death is still #1 worst decision for me with the entirety of season 11 being a close second
I really don’t mind what they did with him. He was such a minor character that it didn’t really matter to me. We got to see what he became and we got closure for his story. It might’ve been short, but at least we got closure. I’d compare him showing back up to Sam showing back up just to get offed at terminus.
It’s not closure, we lived his whole life after Leaving Rick’s group and now we’ll never know what he ended up doing.
@@CodPatrolwell the story is about rick and his group. Not Morales
bringing back morales was interesting especially for fans who have been around since season one like myself. This would’ve been a nice way to gain back. Some of those fans have been gone for five seasons, they could’ve been creative. They could’ve easily switched back to how they used to film the show and how they used to edit cut scenes and how Walker used to be a threat they could’ve brought all of that back since the show has turned into a basic generic looking mess. This could’ve brought back a lot of old memories for fans, not to mention, expand Rick a little bit more into ways that we’ve never seen him expand before, especially when it comes to touching on the past because that is obviously very hard for him to do given all the events that he’s been through. This could’ve been more creative, but they just did what Star Wars did introduced a very interesting character and then killed him right off…. HELL I could say the same thing about Terminator dark fate…. Nobody liked that decision😂
Morales’s return felt like the impact with Carl losing an eye with either playing a role or having some impact going forward but ended up being pointless. Carl losing his eye didn’t really cause trouble for his sight in the show and Morales gets forgotten about and never even mentioned after his death.
I was wondering what happened to him and if his kids survived. Strange to think if he stayed in Rick group he likely would have develop a relationship with Rick group. Probably would have even gotten close to Daryl and never get killed by him. Just one decision changed the outcome of his life and the show.
Season 8 was so full of bad decisions from Gimple. And fans nearly tuned out as a result. I wish Angela Kang had taken over at that point instead of just seasons 9-11. The quality of her in charge and Gimple was night & day.
Morales does not exist in the walking dead comics. He’s one of those non-exits characters in show that don’t even exist in the comics. That was one of the reasons what I hate about the show. They kept on adding pointless characters and they would steal one of the main characters story arch.
I loved it. Daryl didn't see the point in risking anything.
I agree that they wasted the potential, but I think that Rick meeting him after all that time really mad him question how much he's changed since back at the quarry. It also could've had Rick pondering if he lost everything just like Morales, would he had fallen in with the saviors?
After Daryl NO-SCOPED Morales is when I think Rick could've been thinking "Even after this war is there going to be anything of who I used to be left?". They def wasted potential, but I think that it was still a influential part for Ricks mindset during the war with the saviors.
Morales was almost as horrifying as Jim during the first camp fight which is why him getting nerfed is so shocking
I just rewatched season 8 a couple months ago. I got the distinct impression that Morales was about to k!ll Rick. So my take is that Daryl was listening off-screen and made up his mind to just merk him and not take any chances. And let's get serious: no great loss. Lol. I was not "hyped" that Morales was coming back when I heard about it during the show's run. I barely remembered him. And then he comes back and he's the enemy? Buh-bye.
I never understood why amc didn’t treat it as good as breaking bad with all the money it made
Beta Digging underground like he’s bugs bunny to get In Alexandra
That’s a very goofy moment
Hahaha this comment made me cackle
Yeah you’d think if you were digging under a grave that it would collapse before you could climb thru
@@TheWalkingDavid thanks I thought that scene was absolutely ridiculous
Morales would of added more than Enid, TWD kept so many characters that were useless.
I just watch The Thrifty Typewriter, it suprised me that he saw Carl's characterization in season 8 was inconsistent just like i did. And the reason of that was because Amc fired Chandler Riggs to avoid paying him the adult wage by killing him off, showing how greedy AMC is. Carl possessive traits of wanting peace were actually Morgan's, meaning Morgan was originally supposed die in that season because his comic counterpart was killed off in the arc of Alexandria overrun by walkers. With Morales alive i think he would have help Morgan convince Rick to understand Negan's intentions and spare his life, similar to the arc of his comic counterpart. The show version of all out war and Rick sparing Negan and the Saviors always felt lacklusting to me. The comic version was interesting and build up the character arc not just for Rick but for those who survived the war against the Saviors by ending conflicts of the living and coexist to fight against their real enemies, the Walkers.
The dumbest decision they made was killing off carl, completley ruining ricks character arc and then doing away with him shortly after. Even if Rick still had to go Carl shouldnt have died.
I feel like it would been a lot interesting if they explore it more as well. Both men lost so much and went on different paths which would have been cool to see how different tragedy can make people change
Didn't know nacho from BB became a youtuber😊
😂😂😂
I’d have rather him had an arc where he defects instead of Dwight (I don’t care for Dwight) or with Dwight (and/or Eugene).
Dwight is a great character
Until Fear
We all have a dark side and it was a shame that Morales only gave us a glimpse of his. Totally goofy.
Now that I think about Morales getting quickscoped by Daryl, I find it funny now lol
Oh, wow. I didn't even recognize him when he came back - it was that insignificant. Maybe I wasn't paying attention because this was the season I kind of zoned out on, but.. *sigh*
Lmao 7 years!!! Every character literally would start off saying 7 years, 7 years ago this, 7 years ago that😂
I honestly don’t blame them for bringing him back and killing him immediately. You couldn’t enter a chat without someone wanting to know where Morales is and I was getting tired of it so I’m sure they were too
When they did the reveal in season 8 I literally couldn't figure out who it was. Seemed like a real desperate grasp for a cameo
I think if he got a whole episode dedicated to his story in S8 E3. We could’ve gotten to hear him and Rick catch up on what had happened and shit. There was potential here, but unfortunately it was just kinda used as another wool over the eyes moment from the writers
This was when I was regularly watching, and I have 0 memory of this return. I also never saw any memes of the character either.
What happened to Morales here is nothing compared to what they did to Jake Abel's Michael in Supernatural, he was a more important character in the story, he disappeared for longer (10 years) and had a more ridiculous ending
The thing is there's a limited amount of screentime and if you bring in a Morales story then some of the story they DID tell had to not be told. I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing but what do people think a Morales storyline should have replaced - what should have been taken out? Personally I think they gave an actor they liked (and the audience had registered) a payday / bit of fan service - and I'm not always against those things.
I remember him from The Mist, a parallel universe minor apocalypse also by Frank Darabont 😂😂
I never even noticed this guy came back when I watched the show.
I think the show killing off too many of the main characters was the main issue. Especially Rick... There is no show without Rick in my opinion.
I agree I didn’t care at all about Morales and his circumstance of returning season 8 is what ruin the concept of having him
It wasnt simply that
there was a strong presence in the fanbase borderline trolling where people kept asking "but where is Morales??"
They killed off morales, they killed off coral, if they bring back heath, i got nothing to yell!
I think the situation didn’t allow for much more interaction time. Since it was a full force attack on that base . It was a kill or be killed situation and both sides would have to end the other side as quickly as possible . Those 5 minutes shared between rick and morales were like an eternity in terms of battle. They should have brought him in during another situation so that they interacted more.
Considering Gimple and the writers would of know Rick was leaving the show at this time, the call to just kill off morales was a poor decision.... up there with moving morgan to fear, it left the main show cast weaker.
Seasons 7 and 8 were like a month or less in the comics....and they really messed up by stretching out the story in 2 seasons!😮....
That’s also true !
And weren’t they only like 12 issues for season 7 and 8
@@DukeJimbobyup
I felt the same way with Telltale's TWD Season 4 video game. Almost the exact same scenario they pulled with Eddie that the TV show did with Morales here.
That’s why they brought him back to show how much the group didn’t recognize themselves or that it is easy for someone I were close to, to be on the opposite side. That’s all, it wasn’t anything bad
I honestly think it was less about Morales and more about showing how cold Daryl was at the time.
This season makes Daryl look so bad because wouldn’t he have thought about his family or something since he didn’t even know their fate.
killing carl and glenn was a bad decision
Glenn actor wanted them to do it but agree with Carl who’s death was only done so Rick had a reason to save Negan which I’m glad he’s still alive but they didn’t need to kill Carl to save Negan
Would have made more sense for Morales to show up on Fear the Walking dead since he was heading West in the first place. Maybe he loses his family along the way and gets involved with shady people out there and ends up in Texas and a villain to that group.
I also feel killing off Shane was a bad idea. He could’ve ran off with that kid to his group and then came back into the later seasons. Or if he did get stabbed then pretended to be dead and then once Rick and Carl ran away from the herd then Shane could’ve ran away in a random direction, Shane in the later season probaly would’ve been huge for the show especially if he was with neegon or the governor..
I'll tell you why.
I remember watching the walking dead while the episodes were coming out. All the way to the end.
And the forums, and fb groups, were ALL calling for morales to come back. I honestly think the writers got really annoyed from all the speculation and anticipation so they just brought him back and killed him for 5 minutes of screen tome
I really wished they kept the Moralea family and adpted the whole Ben and Billy arc but with their kids. Because we've got to know them for many seasons and seeing the children growing up in this new world and then suddently one of them snaps. Not saying the Lizzie and Mika portions were bad, but the impact if it was one of the Morales kids who had been with the group since the early start would be way more impactful
Lol it would've been absolutely hilarious if Morales returned but he was exactly the same as we last saw him. Like all jolly and up beat and literally wearing the same clothes.
I really wish there was like a miniseries about morale's adventure and family
Morales should've lowered his weapon and Darryl should've shot him when he wasn't a threat anyway. It would've been a wake up call for Rick as far as what his group was becoming.
I really wish Morales would have come back as the same heroic character he was. It was so disappointing that he was with the saviors and Daryl had to kill him. I feel like it could have been a great story arc if Morales had been in a group that fought Negan.
It seems like the actor who came back to play Morales just needed a quick paycheck. Maybe he was behind on his mortgage or something.
Plottwist . HERSHAL WAS THE REAL NEGAN
Agreed it was just a waste to bring him back just to have Daryl ha-doooo-ken him after 5 seconds..
As someone from Alabama going to Birmingham to be safe is fuckin crazy 😅😅 it's ALWAYS in the top 10 most dangerous cities in the United States, every year!!
So wait what season was he introduced? How long was the on-screen? In what season did he get killed? Also who killed him? The video wasn't really clear about that
They brought him and killed him so they can shut up the fans. But they shot themselves in the foot by killing off Carl. Yeah no coming back from that dumb decision.