This is why Carl should’ve never died. Let’s say Rick’s departure still happened in season 9 and was “killed off” they could’ve easily still continued the show with Carl as the main character and maybe give him Rick’s role in the comics with stopping the commonwealth war which would see Carl finally step up to the the leader just like his dad
@@TheTom20 yet we got characters with actors that got paid an adult wage that just kind of lingered. We didn’t need to see Ezekiel, Gabriel, Jerry, Aaron, all the way to end game. I’d easily trade all of those characters, and more, if it meant keeping Carl as a lead. Missed opportunity to not have a new spin off show for AMC
Especially since many of Carl‘s comic moments are way less powerful with the teen Carl from the show replacing the 8yr old in the books. So instead of the now adult Chandler Riggs chugging along in season 9 with the arc of his 13 year old comic counter part, they could have taken advantage of him being way older and use him to fill Rick‘s shoes.
@@UGOISCOOLNOW yeah it’s insane I love the first last of us game, and it’s definitely better than the first season of the show, so it’s ridiculous it won so many awards over the walking dead, Rick’s acting in season 7 episode 1 alone was far better than anyone in the entire last of us show.
@@jackmarshall3255 he's not underrated at all. Have you not watched the episode where Judith was born? Imo He's one of the greatest actors of all time.
its honestly one of the biggest tragedies in entertainment that carl and ricks storylines were completely wasted and that the whole twd verse was fumbled. if they wouldve done things different twd fr could have been a breaking bad level show but the writers consistently werent up to the challenge
AMC lost money when they killed Carl off just because they didn’t wanna pay the actor a fair wage will always make me disappointed in the company’s decision. That’s when i realized the crew was burnt out and wanted just a cash grab
The ones who live was their last chance to end Rick’s story well. Instead, we got a rushed conclusion that I could not take seriously at all. Just hoping for something with Daryl
They treated it like a cheesey marvel movie ending, actually they did that for both the main show, and the ones who live. I'm sure the person who wrote "we ain't the walking dead" in the last episode of the main show is a professional writer and not just a fan of superhero comics. Also in the ones who lived when Rick and Michonne threw off there face respirators to triumphantly pose next to the poisonous gas, that moment was so embarrassingly corny I nearly contacted the writers to see if I could get a hit of their drugs too
@@Adixon5 if I was Norman and they asked me to say something so unbelievably cheesy to end out a show I just committed more than a decade too I would have put my foot down. I'm sure the fact that they had his million dollar spin off contract hanging over his head complicated his ability to speak up in that situation. But if this was a comparison to Rick in the comics saying "we are the walking dead" and Daryl's saying was supposed to be some epic moment where the audience gets chills I'm just not seeing it. And that's coming from someone who defended the show till the very end
@@Thomas.m.1899 i feel like its not that easy for actors to speak up. I mean look at ftwd the main character didnt like the show n couldnt do anything about it so he just left n the show to a massive hit as a result. Its almost like they should stop killing off the main character and stop killing fan favorites in this universe.
This is what happens when studios don't honor and respect the source what made stories so great. They strayed the source materials, not having main characters main focused, and not screening any important parts from the story. I like the 2 conclusions of sparing Negan showing. What Rick told Negan in the end made more sense and was well earned more than the show version.
Rick as a character lost his direction and purpose after Carl died. His motivation to continue in this messed up world was only to protect his firstborn who was still trying to grow up and be a man.That’s probably partly the reason why he left. Whether his departure would have still happened or not Carl would have filled in those boots and it wouldn’t have felt like too big of a let down since it was his destiny to take the reigns anyways. Sure it would have happened earlier than we would have liked but it would allow other side characters to share the spotlight more and we can see Carl transition into a grown up leader in his own right and navigate the world through the lessons of his deceased father and mother. I wouldn’t have minded that and even though Rick got taken out early his purpose still lived on and seeing a boy whom we first saw as a child become like his father was would have been great to see.
I bet Andrew Lincoln wanting to leave was partially fueled by how dirty they did Chandler Riggs. He literally bought a house near the sets so filming would be easier on him and then apparently they fired him afterwards which is why he left the show. I mean, AMC is known for doing people dirty, take a look back at season 2 and just how different the story turned out because AMC decided to screw people over. I bet if AMC didn't have their heads up their ass, we would have had an actual ending and not the fan fiction we got on TV after Carl's death.
I don’t think they wasted it. He had a solid arc. The issue is that they didn’t let him die. The comic finished his story perfectly. Killing Carl ruined the show.
I hated it when Rick left the show, because he was the best character his humanity was tested the most out of all the survivors being a cop at the beginning and having to abandon his morals to protect others at any cost and brilliant acting from Andrew Lincoln.
All I ask for is a reboot, animated and based on the comics story. So any changes that would happen to the comics story would be not necessarily changed, but EXTENDED or more in depth.
Or what if Carl was taken to the CRM and became a one eyed badass trained soldier. Rick and the group could be looking for Carl for a few seasons and eventually reunite with a trained Carl
@@krinkle7695 well the first flaw with that is the crm doesn’t operate like that. anyone the crc finds is either killed and/or experimented on or used for labor for 6+ yrs til they gain citizenship. Jadis gave Rick to them as a worker, okafor saw the potential in Rick and Thorne that they could help him change the crm and got em in the military.
My favorite aspect of Rick’s character is the fact that every single action he does links back to his central motivation, one that has never changed: protecting his family. The only things that changed is that after Lori’s (and Judith in the comics) death protecting his family meant just protecting Carl (and Judith in the show), and over time what it took to protect his family changed drastically. And I love the fact that Carl ends the comics with the same central motivation guiding his actions-protecting his daughter. If there’s one thing I will never forgive AMC for, it’s robbing us of that final image of Carl reading to Andrea. I can forgive everything else changing, but not that.
I personally think characters such as Andrea, Tyreese, T-Dog, and even Lori Grimes are all characters who were killed way too soon and not allowed to demonstrate their full potential.
I wish we got more scenes with Rick and Negan when Negan was imprisoned. I remember only one scene and it gave me goosebumps. Huge missed potential in my opinion.
I like to think that rick transcends the story. He is one of the best fictional characters. He can’t be blamed for the incompetence of the writers after season 6
There's nothing you can do about it, the actor wanted to leave, sure you can say that if you keep Carl alive, maybe he'd have stayed more? But he'd have left anyways, maybe a season later or something.
Agreed. I remember watching a bts thing on the season 4 dvd I think, and Andrew was talking about wanting to know how long ricks story could go on for because he didn’t want to be Rick grimes forever. Andrew wanted to leave the show well before the episode with Carl dying was even written. They planned on 8x16 being his death episode, but managed to convince him to stay one more season. He was leaving the show either way.
Really after TOWL I truly think the spinoffs within the main show are kinda pointless besides season 1-3 of Fear, but Fear season 4-8 World Beyond and Tales feel worthless. You just need TWD Season 1-11 and TOWL you get a full story, and take everyone else’s ending in TWD series finale as final and Daryl comes back from riding off. Because I never saw DD or DC. So, they’re ending works with TOWL without the other spinoffs
The Alexandria opening with them getting put through the bleeding troughs was honestly one of the biggest moments of TV for me. I was only like 15 at the time I think and remember it sticking with me for a while.
Rick is my favourite character from any show or movie and even I can see how his character was wasted. All thr characters were wasted potential. Glenn Mazara, Scott Gimple and Angela Kang are the true villains of TWD
Great video. Rick is my favorite character ever and I can’t even find words to describe how disappointed I was with The Ones Who Live. S8’s ending was a far better conclusion to his story and for the show too tbh. Even when i rewatch the show I only watch s1-8.
great video bro, I myself am a HUGE walking dead fan despite its flaws. I think this show could've cemented itself in history had greed and a " I can do it better " mentality not taken over. Alot of people say it should've ended with Season 8 with Rick at the tree, but knowing what we know about the comics, so much would feel left undone by those who read the comics. I think it all boils down to execution, and killing off Glenn then doing ultimately nothing to reel viewers back in after 7x1, dragging the savior arc out for 2 whole seasons and then killing off Carl was just too many nails in the coffin.
This video is great. I love how you captured the entire show AND comics in such a short time and still got every one of your points across. Amazing work man keep it up :)
NGL… Carl being killed off was when I lost actual interest. They never had one real reason as to why it was done. The actor had no idea and the show runners were just like “oh it’s an unpredictable world” fudge outta here!
As someone who’s watched this show over 3x (plus spinoffs) and read the comics, I have to side with the fact Carl’s death was the worst decision they ever made. The ending of TOWL too, like who cares he met RJ, even RJ didn’t care that much. Imagine that were Carl and Judith he was reuniting with. Moral of the story I love this show but they seriously fall off when it comes to endings to seasons and characters.
I see everyone talking about spinoffs but we all got played. Gimple said they had story ideas and the comic source material planned to reach 20 or more seasons. The comics ending was something they didn't see coming. But look two or three spinoffs equal a 16-24 season of the walking dead. What kinda killed the series was the way they told the story. Storyline A was Rick, then B Darryl, C Maggie etc. We would wait like four weeks or more to get back to Rick at some points. Now with streaming those seasons were that happens flow better. But in real life it was awful. So now we got 16-24 new episodes a year just broken down into "spinoffs" 6,TOWL, 6 Darryl, 8 Dead City. In other words season 12 or now season 13 of the Walking Dead broken into spinoffs. Now they will drag things out for years why we hope for reunions and have theories about them connecting the storylines through things like the CRM. But it never happens. And it's sad because they easily could have done it with Rick setting Carol up with CRM planes to get to Darryl instead of her happening to find some guy with a plane in his garage. Wouldn't it have been nice to have a Rick cameo were he sers Carol up with a plane. Even if it was done in a way were Rick wasn't on camera and a CR representative comes. One could even have been Beales spies who is connected to Geante. And please with the crap OH RICK has t gotten back yet. That's Gimple's fault and laziness with this timeline crap. That's always the excuse of having all these shows but none of them are happening at the same time. Now ask yourself. Would it have been better overall if things were all concurrently running or this crap were we don't know if Dead City is 5 or 10 years ahead of Darryl story but the Rick story is back 10 years. It's mess just typing it. A cool prequel here or there would be ok. But overall the whole universe should be connected and going on at the same time.
Fun story that nobody asked for. The night this show first aired, I had no idea what it was. If i wasnt a kid who loved call of duty zombies and other games in the genre I wouldve never stopped scrolling to watch this random zombie show. DirectTv used to have very vague descriptions like "man wakes up from coma in search of his wife and son in a zombie apocalypse." I thought it was a short low budget movie at first. Seeing Rick get stuck in the tank in atlanta with Glenn reaching out through the radio at the end was mind blowing because the credits rolled and a trailer for next week started playing. An entire series set in this world was mind blowing to me as a kid. What I am getting at through all of this is that this show in the first through forth season can all stand alone as contained stories. Where twd went bad was when amc was forcing its viewers to tune in to watch the premiers and finales instead of just producing steady episodes that left us satisfied wanting more.
Amazing editing bro def took multiple hours you can for sure tell. Rick’s comic book death was the death no one wanted but what was needed. tv show wise season 1-5 was absolutely peak I loved watching it but, later season were horrible so many characters that we could have seen branch out was completely ruined by amc
I know a lot of people hate the departure of RIck leaving but think about it, he did give us a full 8 seasons and a bit of season 9 and the spinoffs. He have an outside family too. That’s a lot of time he spent away to make us happy. I’mma always love what he did for us and just television in general. Love Rick Grimes always. Team Rick
21:54 yeah its crazy we actually experienced the time jump irl cause holy hell I find it odd his disappearance and the wait of the show were the same lol
If nobody Rick knew died he would be the Rick from season 1 still, but I will say I wouldn’t change what Rick did so glad they didn’t do what I thought they would
Jerry!! Absolutely LOVE the video!! I have another video idea if you think you could make a video about it. Its not something i see really any videos on but something I've been interested in for a bit now that the show is over. The debate between which showrunner did justice for the show, between Frank Darabont, Glen Mazzara, Scott Gimple, and Angela Kang. A lot of people automatically say Frank Darabont and although his casting was perfect, the creation of Daryl Dixon who would become an iconic original character, and season 1 was perfect in my eyes, this show having I'd say arguably THEE best pilot episode, his ideas for season 2 were debated a lot amongst fans, almost controversial (although not as controversial as his attitude on set lol)
The biggest waste was to continue after the bridge in the tv show version of TWD and on top of that having him survive making his sacrifice mean nothing. The tv show should have ended with that episode. With the last scenesafter the bridge showing everyone actually coming togheter through their grief,love and respect for Rick and for the first time rebuilding society and raising a statue of Rick as a symbol that we can all come back and ending the show on a happy note. Then if the showrunners ever wanted to restart a TWD universe with the original characters like Darryl, Carrol and so on you can have it about society collapsing again years in the future making them struggle with ideas of repeting cycles and hopelessness that nomatter how far they come they will always be the walking dead and society is always doomed to fail or is it?
they're a lot of characters in twd universe but Rick still and will always be my favourite character along with Abraham and Daryl Rick's character development is insane he's one of my favourites fictional characters of all time i will say
The transition from compliments to life regrets is commendable my friend! No I don’t really think anything is a regret to be honest. Thanks for the compliment!
They sold and rushed the spin off. We didn't see rick get to reunite with Daryl and other characters. I wish we got to see more of Rick evolving. For example, it would have been nice to see if Rick took over the CRM.
The way michonne found rick, and the way alicia found madison, The odds of that happening to be one in a million, there got to be another way, theres gotta be a better way, theres gotta be someone at the cast who can try to teach these writers to do better.
honestly as much as I love rick he should've stayed dead after sacrificing his life on the bridge instead of miraculously surviving. Carl should've lived though. Killing him off really took away a lot from the show for me
The producers, writers and developers are STOKED that the fans are upset. Ever since GoT writers said “subvert your expectations” that has been the front runner saying for modern motion picture
there truly was three points when people stopped watching- when glen died, when carl died, and when rick died- like you cant just take away half of your best OG characters and just expect darryl, carol and maggie to just carry it all on their shoulders, im honestly forever the most pissed about the saviors and the start of it- i dont give a fuck what was in the comics or not holy shit like the show was truly going downhill from that point on like-
Watching that dumpster fire yesterday was painful. The convient plot points! Why couldn't they have a surprise Rick cameo!? After Carol finds out the Darryl's in France. She returns home and tells everyone where Darryl is. Rick sets up a up a CR rescue team( since they are the only group with flying capabilities) Carol insists that she goes instead since Rick just returned! Then the audience sees one of the team members is one of Beales spys that are secretly left over. He calls Geante to warn her who is coming for Darryl. Now she knows exactly where Darryl is from. And this introduces the story elements of the CRMs connection to the overall universe! But no we got convient story telling. A guy just happens to be there! ( With a rose and similar story with his kid(
Tbh I’m a die hard Walking Dead fan. But I feel Andrea should’ve made it another season at least until Hershel death in season 4. Carl shouldn’t have died big mistake in the show. But I love the way Jerry break down videos. Only one that make sense when talking about the comics and the show
What disappoints me when it comes to RUclipsr speaking on Carl’s death is how they never consider how bad of an actor chandler Riggs had become. There’s no way Chandler would’ve been able to carry those scenes like Henry’s actor did.
@@jerrystakes as someone who absolutely loved his early performances in season 3 episode 4, when Lori died, I implore you to watch that episode, and then watch anything with him after season six and tell me that that is even decent acting lol trust me I would’ve loved for Carlton live. I love everything about this show. This is genuine criticism, not some nonsense being spewed I promise.
@@jerrystakes as much as it hurt the story I completely understand why AMC killed him off because they would’ve had to pay him way too much considering he was a legacy character & wasn’t a good enough actor to carry the scenes he would’ve had to carry. Like seriously look at the fight between him and Ron before no way out lol it was comically bad. There is a reason we haven’t seen him act in anything else since.
Despite, how much of a mess season 7 was, Rick was utilized really well in it before season 8, killing Carl instead of him for the peace message was such a bad choice, like we got Morgan there, and no one care about his annoying peace should be the only option bs, but nope, let's kill Carl so we don't have to pay adult wage, like cmon, couldn't they just kill off Morgan or wait until the commonwealth arc and kill off Rick.
To me TOWL should have been the last season of TWD main series to bring it all together with RICK. I don't know how they would have done it, but that would have been better, and then have all the spinoffs they want. Imagine the last scene is Rick and the helicopter... and then season 12 of TWD just starts off with Rick at the CRM and then the two timelines collide they come back they prepare for war in the CRM VS Commonwealth then they end that with variant runners coming ... new threat. But what we have is very strange guys.
I’d love to see an Amazon’s prime series in the art style of the comics but in color and have all the characters return to voice their respective role. Imagine the invincible series but TWD
I have personally never seen that many of the comics, the only ones i have seen are scattered throughout the story. I am however, a die hard fan of the show. And while yeah it was a bummer to not see rick in the last three seasons of the show, it was inevitable. And about the CRM, i don't think it's over for them yet. i think the best thing to do is to bring the CRM back for a final fight, there's still that settlement in Oregon, and i don't think everyone in the main base by Philadelphia are all gone. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Remember the story of the golden goose? Yeah, the stupid owners killed the goose because they thought they'll be able to get more golden eggs quickly that way, instead of waiting for the goose to lay one per day.
We need an hbo reboot fully inspired by the comics, no new characters, no changes, from the hospital to the Commonwealth, but we all know that's never gonna happen because of AMC's greed, they don't wanna finish once and for all what's already ended a long time ago.
They could have done time skips to work the narrative of the comic book into the show. They just did what they wanted to do as early as season 3, lol. 😎
This show is such a tragedy. One of my favorite and least favorite shows of all time. They sold so hard by cutting budgets, cutting corners with writing and characters, ramping up the unnecessary melodrama, etc. The show felt so raw and grounded even with the comic source material. I was even hopeful after the first Negan episode especially with how season 6 was starting to decline. But then they truly ruined the show.
After a disappointing and bad two seasons, I really liked Rick Grimes death, he got to use his gun one last time, he was surrounded by his friends, and he found his family, I loved it. to find out that his death meant nothing and that it was a fake out , made the great death bad, and after doing nothing with the character, they should of just had that death be the actual death, and have it lead to the communities uniting, like with the commonwealth ark in the comic
I was really hoping that Rick would be exposed to the yeast 'cure' and decide to stick with the CRM, either killing Michonne or driving her away, or making her understand he has a bigger responsibility to fulfill by staying with the CRM and trying to change its leadership from within. Beale was wasted.
"no other character the comes close to the wasted potential" My guy....... carl????? uhhh shane???? glenn???? 3 characters right here that had endless amounts of potential but were just never used. Meanwhile if you ask when did 90% of twd fans stop watching the show they would all tell you when rick left. TWD was rick. With that much of a statement I don't know how you can try to argue rick didn't live up to his potential. Things could of always been better or more perfect but as far as living up to potential rick was everything he needed to be. I can't say the same for carl shane and glenn. Espically when you go down the road and see how characters like the goveronor and negan got endless amounts of screen time it just made killing off shane even more unacceptable. That is wasted potential for me. Playing fast and loose with OG amazing characters and amazing actors. And sorry to any fanboys but daryl was never interesting he was never a good character. He was fine as a side character but that was his limit. Characters like shane would of been on ricks level or even above it if the show used them right but instead nah kill him off in 2 seasons because we cant make it work with rick lori and shane.... Oh btw we killed off lori 1 season later so shanes death was even more pointless lol unlucky viewers.
I like the premise of the show and comic but kind of just hate the execution in both cases. I don't need them making grand points by killing characters, I'm there for the apocalypse and zombies. That's it.
the show was amazing (first half mostly) but its so strange how everytime the writers chose to veer away from the comics storylines (andrea, carl, ricks fucking death) it felt noticeably... bad? like when carl died i almost stopped watching the show and once rick died i actually did. Andreas character in the show was easily the most fucking anoyying of the entire "ensamble" so it makes sense they tried to redeem her slightly with her death since it could never have lived up to the comics version. a version which most people, myself included until 15 minutes ago, usually arent going to be aware of even existing.
I love the fact “ OTIS “ shot Carl but he was a kid in the woods with a camouflage shirt on ! Like 👍🏻 sure ok. Great parenting especially you would be on high alert at this point in the world !
You know at this point I hope the walking dead gets the invincible treatment, and they animate it instead. It would probably be much better in pacing and adaptation
I see how you compare other people’s quotes on Season 9 and after with Rick’s quotes and say how they don’t hit the same. It’s simply because it’s not coming from Rick. Rick is a character who literally made that show what it is. Any feelings, any crazy moments, any scene that could make you say “Damn.. what just happened, no way that just happened, what? it cant be, holy shit!” was Rick doing that. He brought something to the show that just cant be replaced by anyone else. (other than Carl which I’ll get to in a sec) for instance Daryl saying we ain’t the walking dead. It was pretty bad right? It felt like it was missing something, it’s just the way he said it and performed it, Daryl just doesn’t have that character in him to make the viewers feel any feelings. Quotes and attempting to be a leader is not where Daryl shines, but I believe every character has their justice shown somewhere, Daryl is a character where his best content is shown when he is on his own, like in Daryl Dixon series. Now that we’ve gotten to this part, we can talk about Carl. Earlier when I said no one can replace Rick because there is no one like him, there is and it’s Carl. If they hadn’t killed him off, Rick’s death basically wouldn’t have even mattered, because Carl was a complete clone of his dad. When watching Carl in the Negan era it genuinely made you feel something, when Carl was bitten and was talking to Negan over the fence and offered that he dies, it was one of those times where you went “damn..” like surprised and it made you feel a certain way. Carl just has the same character and gives off the same exact effect as Rick.
I think the tv Pike scene was waaaay better than the comics. With the comics the only characters of importance was Rosita & Ezekiel. and tbh Rosita really wasn’t all that important in the comics. The rest were Olivia & no named people (yes I know they had names). But with the show we lost Tara & Enid 2 people we’ve known since S4 & 5. Henry, a kid we’ve been watching grow for 2 seasons & who leaves an impact on Carol & Ezekiel. Some other kids & others we do know in some manner; @ least more than we did w/ the comics.
Having more names in a death doesn’t matter if you never cared about who was piked. Henry dying meant nothing to me because prior to his death he was just there until he took up Carl’s roll. Enid and Tara were also there, Enid was just Carl’s girlfriend then dies, and Tara you would really need to care about her early season to be affected.
@@PostCrisisRH Tara’s my 3rd fav character & I loved me some Enid, & Henry hit hard cause of Carol. To me it was more personal I. The show. With the comics they only had 2 characters w any importance, & really just 1.
@@corbinowens2437 I mean yeah, you had more of a connection with those characters than I did, so to me the pikes felt safe because it was just characters who were doing nothing in the story. I did like the Ezekiel and Rosita moment, since I liked both of them a lot, but just like the show it really was too safe should’ve replaced some characters.
Well, idc bout the comics like that and Rick returned. Just cos it doesn’t follow the comics like the bible doesnt mean rick hasn’t hit his ‘potential’
One death that always bothered me, and was only made worse with how they handled carl and rick was Glenn, Yeun played that character to perfection and really made it his own, when it came to the adaption and all the changes they could have made, that's the one they didn't and it bothers me to no end he could have been a promising leader, I would rather watch a spinoff of him and Maggie rather than Negan and Maggie, especially because the idea that Maggie would just be fine with going on an adventure with her husbands murderer is so disconnected from reality that I cant even bring myself to watch it.
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This is why Carl should’ve never died. Let’s say Rick’s departure still happened in season 9 and was “killed off” they could’ve easily still continued the show with Carl as the main character and maybe give him Rick’s role in the comics with stopping the commonwealth war which would see Carl finally step up to the the leader just like his dad
@@viper1436 yea a damn shame that carls actor wanted to become a twitch streamer to 50 viewers
Carls actor was fired lmfao what
@@NedFlanders1040 they fired him because they didn't want to pay him more
@@TheTom20 yet we got characters with actors that got paid an adult wage that just kind of lingered.
We didn’t need to see Ezekiel, Gabriel, Jerry, Aaron, all the way to end game. I’d easily trade all of those characters, and more, if it meant keeping Carl as a lead.
Missed opportunity to not have a new spin off show for AMC
Especially since many of Carl‘s comic moments are way less powerful with the teen Carl from the show replacing the 8yr old in the books. So instead of the now adult Chandler Riggs chugging along in season 9 with the arc of his 13 year old comic counter part, they could have taken advantage of him being way older and use him to fill Rick‘s shoes.
The fact that Andy hasn't won any awards is a crime against humanity.
Awards shows don‘t like horror unfortunately. Which drives me crazy as most of the greatest performances I‘ve ever seen came from horror movies
@@robbiesmith8055 doesn’t make sense since last of us won multiple emmys while the walking dead hasn’t won a single one
I just imagined Andy Samberg as Rick Grimes
@@UGOISCOOLNOW yeah it’s insane I love the first last of us game, and it’s definitely better than the first season of the show, so it’s ridiculous it won so many awards over the walking dead, Rick’s acting in season 7 episode 1 alone was far better than anyone in the entire last of us show.
Get better at acting I guess😂
Dude definitely deserves one, I mean his acting at that line up, God damn
Andrew Lincoln acting is top tier like he is soooooo underrated.
@@jackmarshall3255 yep. He was consistently excellent.
His performance alone made the poor writing good
@@jmichael91 facts.
@@jackmarshall3255 he's not underrated at all. Have you not watched the episode where Judith was born? Imo He's one of the greatest actors of all time.
@@ayecae47 but no one gives him any credit for his acting like he should of gotten an Oscar but he didn’t so that’s why I say that like I feel he is.
Trying to write TWD without Rick was like trying to make a pizza without cheese.
Well said
I eat pizza without cheese, it's delicious
@@infsm27 keep urself safe
@@sethrogen-l4c thanks bro
@@infsm27 that wouldn’t really qualify as pizza at that point.
its honestly one of the biggest tragedies in entertainment that carl and ricks storylines were completely wasted and that the whole twd verse was fumbled. if they wouldve done things different twd fr could have been a breaking bad level show but the writers consistently werent up to the challenge
@@Terminusberminus320 A lot of it links to them letting Frank Darabont go too… the show could have been so much better if they kept him on
AMC lost money when they killed Carl off just because they didn’t wanna pay the actor a fair wage will always make me disappointed in the company’s decision. That’s when i realized the crew was burnt out and wanted just a cash grab
Season 9 and 10 are only good cuz the Whisperers
The ones who live was their last chance to end Rick’s story well. Instead, we got a rushed conclusion that I could not take seriously at all. Just hoping for something with Daryl
They treated it like a cheesey marvel movie ending, actually they did that for both the main show, and the ones who live. I'm sure the person who wrote "we ain't the walking dead" in the last episode of the main show is a professional writer and not just a fan of superhero comics. Also in the ones who lived when Rick and Michonne threw off there face respirators to triumphantly pose next to the poisonous gas, that moment was so embarrassingly corny I nearly contacted the writers to see if I could get a hit of their drugs too
@@mkwsoxfanwell tbf the “we ain’t the walking dead” is a direct reference to the comics…. It just wasn’t executed as well
@@Adixon5 if I was Norman and they asked me to say something so unbelievably cheesy to end out a show I just committed more than a decade too I would have put my foot down. I'm sure the fact that they had his million dollar spin off contract hanging over his head complicated his ability to speak up in that situation. But if this was a comparison to Rick in the comics saying "we are the walking dead" and Daryl's saying was supposed to be some epic moment where the audience gets chills I'm just not seeing it. And that's coming from someone who defended the show till the very end
@@mkwsoxfan yeah sometimes I really question some of these actors integrity. ESPECIALLY when it comes to FTWD
@@Thomas.m.1899 i feel like its not that easy for actors to speak up. I mean look at ftwd the main character didnt like the show n couldnt do anything about it so he just left n the show to a massive hit as a result. Its almost like they should stop killing off the main character and stop killing fan favorites in this universe.
This is what happens when studios don't honor and respect the source what made stories so great. They strayed the source materials, not having main characters main focused, and not screening any important parts from the story. I like the 2 conclusions of sparing Negan showing. What Rick told Negan in the end made more sense and was well earned more than the show version.
Rick as a character lost his direction and purpose after Carl died. His motivation to continue in this messed up world was only to protect his firstborn who was still trying to grow up and be a man.That’s probably partly the reason why he left. Whether his departure would have still happened or not Carl would have filled in those boots and it wouldn’t have felt like too big of a let down since it was his destiny to take the reigns anyways. Sure it would have happened earlier than we would have liked but it would allow other side characters to share the spotlight more and we can see Carl transition into a grown up leader in his own right and navigate the world through the lessons of his deceased father and mother. I wouldn’t have minded that and even though Rick got taken out early his purpose still lived on and seeing a boy whom we first saw as a child become like his father was would have been great to see.
I bet Andrew Lincoln wanting to leave was partially fueled by how dirty they did Chandler Riggs. He literally bought a house near the sets so filming would be easier on him and then apparently they fired him afterwards which is why he left the show. I mean, AMC is known for doing people dirty, take a look back at season 2 and just how different the story turned out because AMC decided to screw people over. I bet if AMC didn't have their heads up their ass, we would have had an actual ending and not the fan fiction we got on TV after Carl's death.
Season 1 and 2 are my favorite from the show which is strange because they’re both really different. Imo season 2 is the best in the show
@@JC0ALOFT For me, season 1-4 is best. Second half of season 5 is when the show lost its identity imo.
@@FUJIIDEW nah the lesbian black women really brought the story together
I don’t think they wasted it. He had a solid arc. The issue is that they didn’t let him die. The comic finished his story perfectly. Killing Carl ruined the show.
I hated it when Rick left the show, because he was the best character his humanity was tested the most out of all the survivors being a cop at the beginning and having to abandon his morals to protect others at any cost and brilliant acting from Andrew Lincoln.
All I ask for is a reboot, animated and based on the comics story.
So any changes that would happen to the comics story would be not necessarily changed, but EXTENDED or more in depth.
AMC and TWD will never end and never reboot cause, new generation with RJ and Judith spinoff and new characters as well
@@LarryHayward-yo4qg rip
@@LarryHayward-yo4qg It will stop once viewers stop watching TWD to got to sleep LOL
@@playerdoestheinternet no im sorry but, AMC and Walking Dead Universe are not done yet bro.
@@LarryHayward-yo4qg No, it's just on life support.
Or what if Carl was taken to the CRM and became a one eyed badass trained soldier. Rick and the group could be looking for Carl for a few seasons and eventually reunite with a trained Carl
@@krinkle7695 well the first flaw with that is the crm doesn’t operate like that. anyone the crc finds is either killed and/or experimented on or used for labor for 6+ yrs til they gain citizenship. Jadis gave Rick to them as a worker, okafor saw the potential in Rick and Thorne that they could help him change the crm and got em in the military.
That would be lame I'm not gonna lie
A comic accurate animated Walking Dead series would be amazing!
go make it then.
My favorite aspect of Rick’s character is the fact that every single action he does links back to his central motivation, one that has never changed: protecting his family.
The only things that changed is that after Lori’s (and Judith in the comics) death protecting his family meant just protecting Carl (and Judith in the show), and over time what it took to protect his family changed drastically.
And I love the fact that Carl ends the comics with the same central motivation guiding his actions-protecting his daughter.
If there’s one thing I will never forgive AMC for, it’s robbing us of that final image of Carl reading to Andrea. I can forgive everything else changing, but not that.
I personally think characters such as Andrea, Tyreese, T-Dog, and even Lori Grimes are all characters who were killed way too soon and not allowed to demonstrate their full potential.
I wish we got more scenes with Rick and Negan when Negan was imprisoned. I remember only one scene and it gave me goosebumps. Huge missed potential in my opinion.
I like to think that rick transcends the story. He is one of the best fictional characters. He can’t be blamed for the incompetence of the writers after season 6
I really like this editing style
Glad to hear it! Spent countless hours working on this one.
There's nothing you can do about it, the actor wanted to leave, sure you can say that if you keep Carl alive, maybe he'd have stayed more? But he'd have left anyways, maybe a season later or something.
Agreed. I remember watching a bts thing on the season 4 dvd I think, and Andrew was talking about wanting to know how long ricks story could go on for because he didn’t want to be Rick grimes forever. Andrew wanted to leave the show well before the episode with Carl dying was even written. They planned on 8x16 being his death episode, but managed to convince him to stay one more season. He was leaving the show either way.
@@BoogSReviewsChandler Riggs himself said he believes Carl's death himself hurried up Andy's departure.
he didnt
Really after TOWL I truly think the spinoffs within the main show are kinda pointless besides season 1-3 of Fear, but Fear season 4-8 World Beyond and Tales feel worthless. You just need TWD Season 1-11 and TOWL you get a full story, and take everyone else’s ending in TWD series finale as final and Daryl comes back from riding off. Because I never saw DD or DC. So, they’re ending works with TOWL without the other spinoffs
Agreed
The Alexandria opening with them getting put through the bleeding troughs was honestly one of the biggest moments of TV for me. I was only like 15 at the time I think and remember it sticking with me for a while.
Terminus?
Buddy. Alexandria was the end of that season. Terminus was the first episode of that season.
If Rick was still in the show I may have continued the show.
Rick is my favourite character from any show or movie and even I can see how his character was wasted. All thr characters were wasted potential. Glenn Mazara, Scott Gimple and Angela Kang are the true villains of TWD
Honestly, can’t wait until they finally let the series rest. No amount of spin-offs or tales of stories will ever save anything Walking dead.
Someone said you sound like Mordecai from regular show and i cant unhear it
Rick character after Carl death would’ve still felt like he wasn’t there.
Great video. Rick is my favorite character ever and I can’t even find words to describe how disappointed I was with The Ones Who Live. S8’s ending was a far better conclusion to his story and for the show too tbh. Even when i rewatch the show I only watch s1-8.
great video bro, I myself am a HUGE walking dead fan despite its flaws. I think this show could've cemented itself in history had greed and a " I can do it better " mentality not taken over. Alot of people say it should've ended with Season 8 with Rick at the tree, but knowing what we know about the comics, so much would feel left undone by those who read the comics. I think it all boils down to execution, and killing off Glenn then doing ultimately nothing to reel viewers back in after 7x1, dragging the savior arc out for 2 whole seasons and then killing off Carl was just too many nails in the coffin.
This video is great. I love how you captured the entire show AND comics in such a short time and still got every one of your points across. Amazing work man keep it up :)
Thank you very much!!!!
You should consider putting better background music to ur videos…but still a great video, thank for making this
NGL… Carl being killed off was when I lost actual interest. They never had one real reason as to why it was done. The actor had no idea and the show runners were just like “oh it’s an unpredictable world” fudge outta here!
As someone who’s watched this show over 3x (plus spinoffs) and read the comics, I have to side with the fact Carl’s death was the worst decision they ever made. The ending of TOWL too, like who cares he met RJ, even RJ didn’t care that much. Imagine that were Carl and Judith he was reuniting with. Moral of the story I love this show but they seriously fall off when it comes to endings to seasons and characters.
Great video man keep up the content. Have a good one
I see everyone talking about spinoffs but we all got played. Gimple said they had story ideas and the comic source material planned to reach 20 or more seasons. The comics ending was something they didn't see coming. But look two or three spinoffs equal a 16-24 season of the walking dead. What kinda killed the series was the way they told the story. Storyline A was Rick, then B Darryl, C Maggie etc. We would wait like four weeks or more to get back to Rick at some points. Now with streaming those seasons were that happens flow better. But in real life it was awful. So now we got 16-24 new episodes a year just broken down into "spinoffs" 6,TOWL, 6 Darryl, 8 Dead City. In other words season 12 or now season 13 of the Walking Dead broken into spinoffs. Now they will drag things out for years why we hope for reunions and have theories about them connecting the storylines through things like the CRM. But it never happens. And it's sad because they easily could have done it with Rick setting Carol up with CRM planes to get to Darryl instead of her happening to find some guy with a plane in his garage. Wouldn't it have been nice to have a Rick cameo were he sers Carol up with a plane. Even if it was done in a way were Rick wasn't on camera and a CR representative comes. One could even have been Beales spies who is connected to Geante. And please with the crap OH RICK has t gotten back yet. That's Gimple's fault and laziness with this timeline crap. That's always the excuse of having all these shows but none of them are happening at the same time. Now ask yourself. Would it have been better overall if things were all concurrently running or this crap were we don't know if Dead City is 5 or 10 years ahead of Darryl story but the Rick story is back 10 years. It's mess just typing it. A cool prequel here or there would be ok. But overall the whole universe should be connected and going on at the same time.
Fun story that nobody asked for. The night this show first aired, I had no idea what it was. If i wasnt a kid who loved call of duty zombies and other games in the genre I wouldve never stopped scrolling to watch this random zombie show. DirectTv used to have very vague descriptions like "man wakes up from coma in search of his wife and son in a zombie apocalypse." I thought it was a short low budget movie at first. Seeing Rick get stuck in the tank in atlanta with Glenn reaching out through the radio at the end was mind blowing because the credits rolled and a trailer for next week started playing. An entire series set in this world was mind blowing to me as a kid. What I am getting at through all of this is that this show in the first through forth season can all stand alone as contained stories. Where twd went bad was when amc was forcing its viewers to tune in to watch the premiers and finales instead of just producing steady episodes that left us satisfied wanting more.
To be fair we have no idea what will happen after these spin offs events
Rick lost his mind in season 5 and had a fighting battle throughout till he left
Amazing editing bro def took multiple hours you can for sure tell. Rick’s comic book death was the death no one wanted but what was needed.
tv show wise season 1-5 was absolutely peak I loved watching it but, later season were horrible so many characters that we could have seen branch out was completely ruined by amc
Great video dude 👍
Thanks so much!! This was a very important video for me and I put a lot of work into it, glad to see the feedback!
Yunno, i wouldnt be too mad if they pull a mw3 and make carl say "I wasnt lost to the infection, i shot my arm off to stop the infection"
I know a lot of people hate the departure of RIck leaving but think about it, he did give us a full 8 seasons and a bit of season 9 and the spinoffs. He have an outside family too. That’s a lot of time he spent away to make us happy. I’mma always love what he did for us and just television in general. Love Rick Grimes always. Team Rick
subbed watching whole video rn i can already tell this a banger breakdown in the first min
Thanks for the sub!
21:54 yeah its crazy we actually experienced the time jump irl cause holy hell I find it odd his disappearance and the wait of the show were the same lol
If nobody Rick knew died he would be the Rick from season 1 still, but I will say I wouldn’t change what Rick did so glad they didn’t do what I thought they would
Great video! Agree 100% May see Rick again though.
Great video ❤
Thank you, Mr. Ice Water🫡
Jerry!! Absolutely LOVE the video!! I have another video idea if you think you could make a video about it. Its not something i see really any videos on but something I've been interested in for a bit now that the show is over. The debate between which showrunner did justice for the show, between Frank Darabont, Glen Mazzara, Scott Gimple, and Angela Kang. A lot of people automatically say Frank Darabont and although his casting was perfect, the creation of Daryl Dixon who would become an iconic original character, and season 1 was perfect in my eyes, this show having I'd say arguably THEE best pilot episode, his ideas for season 2 were debated a lot amongst fans, almost controversial (although not as controversial as his attitude on set lol)
Thank you!! And this is a great idea! Definitely noting this one.
The biggest waste was to continue after the bridge in the tv show version of TWD and on top of that having him survive making his sacrifice mean nothing.
The tv show should have ended with that episode. With the last scenesafter the bridge showing everyone actually coming togheter through their grief,love and respect for Rick and for the first time rebuilding society and raising a statue of Rick as a symbol that we can all come back and ending the show on a happy note.
Then if the showrunners ever wanted to restart a TWD universe with the original characters like Darryl, Carrol and so on you can have it about society collapsing again years in the future making them struggle with ideas of repeting cycles and hopelessness that nomatter how far they come they will always be the walking dead and society is always doomed to fail or is it?
all im gonna say is Rick Grimes is one of the greatest fictional characters. He in fact is my favourite
they're a lot of characters in twd universe but Rick still and will always be my favourite character along with Abraham and Daryl Rick's character development is insane he's one of my favourites fictional characters of all time i will say
great video, greta editing, do you have regrets in life?
The transition from compliments to life regrets is commendable my friend! No I don’t really think anything is a regret to be honest. Thanks for the compliment!
Its crazy how much people defended towl.
"The crm didn't matter it was a love story the entire time!"
That’s such a cop out answer 😭
They sold and rushed the spin off. We didn't see rick get to reunite with Daryl and other characters. I wish we got to see more of Rick evolving. For example, it would have been nice to see if Rick took over the CRM.
@@Mehmet.Fitness they pretty much DID take over the CRM .. I don’t get it
The ones left behind are the only spinoff I watch because I wanted to know what happened to Rick.
The way michonne found rick,
and the way alicia found madison,
The odds of that happening to be one in a million,
there got to be another way,
theres gotta be a better way,
theres gotta be someone at the cast who can try to teach these writers to do better.
👏👏 👏 Great video! Could not agree more
great vid! but did you just start playing wii music XD 8:30
honestly as much as I love rick he should've stayed dead after sacrificing his life on the bridge instead of miraculously surviving. Carl should've lived though. Killing him off really took away a lot from the show for me
The producers, writers and developers are STOKED that the fans are upset. Ever since GoT writers said “subvert your expectations” that has been the front runner saying for modern motion picture
im glad he didnt get killed by that kid in the show
there truly was three points when people stopped watching- when glen died, when carl died, and when rick died- like you cant just take away half of your best OG characters and just expect darryl, carol and maggie to just carry it all on their shoulders,
im honestly forever the most pissed about the saviors and the start of it- i dont give a fuck what was in the comics or not holy shit like the show was truly going downhill from that point on like-
Watching that dumpster fire yesterday was painful. The convient plot points! Why couldn't they have a surprise Rick cameo!? After Carol finds out the Darryl's in France. She returns home and tells everyone where Darryl is. Rick sets up a up a CR rescue team( since they are the only group with flying capabilities) Carol insists that she goes instead since Rick just returned! Then the audience sees one of the team members is one of Beales spys that are secretly left over. He calls Geante to warn her who is coming for Darryl. Now she knows exactly where Darryl is from. And this introduces the story elements of the CRMs connection to the overall universe! But no we got convient story telling. A guy just happens to be there! ( With a rose and similar story with his kid(
Tbh I’m a die hard Walking Dead fan. But I feel Andrea should’ve made it another season at least until Hershel death in season 4. Carl shouldn’t have died big mistake in the show. But I love the way Jerry break down videos. Only one that make sense when talking about the comics and the show
What disappoints me when it comes to RUclipsr speaking on Carl’s death is how they never consider how bad of an actor chandler Riggs had become. There’s no way Chandler would’ve been able to carry those scenes like Henry’s actor did.
Chandler Riggs was not a bad actor
@@jerrystakes as someone who absolutely loved his early performances in season 3 episode 4, when Lori died, I implore you to watch that episode, and then watch anything with him after season six and tell me that that is even decent acting lol trust me I would’ve loved for Carlton live. I love everything about this show. This is genuine criticism, not some nonsense being spewed I promise.
@@jerrystakes as much as it hurt the story I completely understand why AMC killed him off because they would’ve had to pay him way too much considering he was a legacy character & wasn’t a good enough actor to carry the scenes he would’ve had to carry. Like seriously look at the fight between him and Ron before no way out lol it was comically bad. There is a reason we haven’t seen him act in anything else since.
as much as i love daryl he never filled ricks role like he was ment to
Not even gonna watch this because everyone knows Bob is the truest most wastedized potential.
Yep, him and his tainted meat
Rick is the goat, show died when he left
Despite, how much of a mess season 7 was, Rick was utilized really well in it before season 8, killing Carl instead of him for the peace message was such a bad choice, like we got Morgan there, and no one care about his annoying peace should be the only option bs, but nope, let's kill Carl so we don't have to pay adult wage, like cmon, couldn't they just kill off Morgan or wait until the commonwealth arc and kill off Rick.
To me TOWL should have been the last season of TWD main series to bring it all together with RICK. I don't know how they would have done it, but that would have been better, and then have all the spinoffs they want. Imagine the last scene is Rick and the helicopter... and then season 12 of TWD just starts off with Rick at the CRM and then the two timelines collide they come back they prepare for war in the CRM VS Commonwealth then they end that with variant runners coming ... new threat. But what we have is very strange guys.
I’d love to see an Amazon’s prime series in the art style of the comics but in color and have all the characters return to voice their respective role. Imagine the invincible series but TWD
Alright that’s it I’m rewatching walking dead again
I could listen to this guy say the word “cast” all day
😂😂😂
I have personally never seen that many of the comics, the only ones i have seen are scattered throughout the story. I am however, a die hard fan of the show. And while yeah it was a bummer to not see rick in the last three seasons of the show, it was inevitable. And about the CRM, i don't think it's over for them yet. i think the best thing to do is to bring the CRM back for a final fight, there's still that settlement in Oregon, and i don't think everyone in the main base by Philadelphia are all gone. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Remember the story of the golden goose? Yeah, the stupid owners killed the goose because they thought they'll be able to get more golden eggs quickly that way, instead of waiting for the goose to lay one per day.
We need an hbo reboot fully inspired by the comics, no new characters, no changes, from the hospital to the Commonwealth, but we all know that's never gonna happen because of AMC's greed, they don't wanna finish once and for all what's already ended a long time ago.
The show ended when they decided to kill Carl, there was nothing worth watching after that.
Very true
They could have done time skips to work the narrative of the comic book into the show. They just did what they wanted to do as early as season 3, lol. 😎
It would of been cool if Carl survived and the bridge thing happened and he ment up with his three kids
This show is such a tragedy. One of my favorite and least favorite shows of all time. They sold so hard by cutting budgets, cutting corners with writing and characters, ramping up the unnecessary melodrama, etc.
The show felt so raw and grounded even with the comic source material. I was even hopeful after the first Negan episode especially with how season 6 was starting to decline. But then they truly ruined the show.
Thank god i drop the show after s3 and just read the comic's
12:12 Shii, that was the most heartbreaking moment in the comic for me.
After a disappointing and bad two seasons, I really liked Rick Grimes death, he got to use his gun one last time, he was surrounded by his friends, and he found his family, I loved it. to find out that his death meant nothing and that it was a fake out , made the great death bad, and after doing nothing with the character, they should of just had that death be the actual death, and have it lead to the communities uniting, like with the commonwealth ark in the comic
I was really hoping that Rick would be exposed to the yeast 'cure' and decide to stick with the CRM, either killing Michonne or driving her away, or making her understand he has a bigger responsibility to fulfill by staying with the CRM and trying to change its leadership from within. Beale was wasted.
"no other character the comes close to the wasted potential" My guy....... carl????? uhhh shane???? glenn???? 3 characters right here that had endless amounts of potential but were just never used. Meanwhile if you ask when did 90% of twd fans stop watching the show they would all tell you when rick left. TWD was rick. With that much of a statement I don't know how you can try to argue rick didn't live up to his potential. Things could of always been better or more perfect but as far as living up to potential rick was everything he needed to be. I can't say the same for carl shane and glenn. Espically when you go down the road and see how characters like the goveronor and negan got endless amounts of screen time it just made killing off shane even more unacceptable.
That is wasted potential for me. Playing fast and loose with OG amazing characters and amazing actors. And sorry to any fanboys but daryl was never interesting he was never a good character. He was fine as a side character but that was his limit. Characters like shane would of been on ricks level or even above it if the show used them right but instead nah kill him off in 2 seasons because we cant make it work with rick lori and shane.... Oh btw we killed off lori 1 season later so shanes death was even more pointless lol unlucky viewers.
the only conclusion im coming to is to read the comics
I like the premise of the show and comic but kind of just hate the execution in both cases. I don't need them making grand points by killing characters, I'm there for the apocalypse and zombies. That's it.
the show was amazing (first half mostly) but its so strange how everytime the writers chose to veer away from the comics storylines (andrea, carl, ricks fucking death) it felt noticeably... bad? like when carl died i almost stopped watching the show and once rick died i actually did. Andreas character in the show was easily the most fucking anoyying of the entire "ensamble" so it makes sense they tried to redeem her slightly with her death since it could never have lived up to the comics version. a version which most people, myself included until 15 minutes ago, usually arent going to be aware of even existing.
I love the fact “ OTIS “ shot Carl but he was a kid in the woods with a camouflage shirt on ! Like 👍🏻 sure ok. Great parenting especially you would be on high alert at this point in the world !
You know at this point I hope the walking dead gets the invincible treatment, and they animate it instead. It would probably be much better in pacing and adaptation
He’s better in the comics in my opinion
I think Carl should have went with Georgie to other communities if he was going to leave the show
I see how you compare other people’s quotes on Season 9 and after with Rick’s quotes and say how they don’t hit the same. It’s simply because it’s not coming from Rick. Rick is a character who literally made that show what it is. Any feelings, any crazy moments, any scene that could make you say “Damn.. what just happened, no way that just happened, what? it cant be, holy shit!” was Rick doing that. He brought something to the show that just cant be replaced by anyone else. (other than Carl which I’ll get to in a sec) for instance Daryl saying we ain’t the walking dead. It was pretty bad right? It felt like it was missing something, it’s just the way he said it and performed it, Daryl just doesn’t have that character in him to make the viewers feel any feelings. Quotes and attempting to be a leader is not where Daryl shines, but I believe every character has their justice shown somewhere, Daryl is a character where his best content is shown when he is on his own, like in Daryl Dixon series. Now that we’ve gotten to this part, we can talk about Carl. Earlier when I said no one can replace Rick because there is no one like him, there is and it’s Carl. If they hadn’t killed him off, Rick’s death basically wouldn’t have even mattered, because Carl was a complete clone of his dad. When watching Carl in the Negan era it genuinely made you feel something, when Carl was bitten and was talking to Negan over the fence and offered that he dies, it was one of those times where you went “damn..” like surprised and it made you feel a certain way. Carl just has the same character and gives off the same exact effect as Rick.
I think the tv Pike scene was waaaay better than the comics. With the comics the only characters of importance was Rosita & Ezekiel. and tbh Rosita really wasn’t all that important in the comics. The rest were Olivia & no named people (yes I know they had names).
But with the show we lost Tara & Enid 2 people we’ve known since S4 & 5. Henry, a kid we’ve been watching grow for 2 seasons & who leaves an impact on Carol & Ezekiel. Some other kids & others we do know in some manner; @ least more than we did w/ the comics.
Having more names in a death doesn’t matter if you never cared about who was piked. Henry dying meant nothing to me because prior to his death he was just there until he took up Carl’s roll.
Enid and Tara were also there, Enid was just Carl’s girlfriend then dies, and Tara you would really need to care about her early season to be affected.
@@PostCrisisRH Tara’s my 3rd fav character & I loved me some Enid, & Henry hit hard cause of Carol.
To me it was more personal I. The show. With the comics they only had 2 characters w any importance, & really just 1.
@@corbinowens2437 I mean yeah, you had more of a connection with those characters than I did, so to me the pikes felt safe because it was just characters who were doing nothing in the story.
I did like the Ezekiel and Rosita moment,
since I liked both of them a lot, but just like the show it really was too safe should’ve replaced some characters.
Perfectly said!
Well, idc bout the comics like that and Rick returned. Just cos it doesn’t follow the comics like the bible doesnt mean rick hasn’t hit his ‘potential’
One death that always bothered me, and was only made worse with how they handled carl and rick was Glenn, Yeun played that character to perfection and really made it his own, when it came to the adaption and all the changes they could have made, that's the one they didn't and it bothers me to no end he could have been a promising leader, I would rather watch a spinoff of him and Maggie rather than Negan and Maggie, especially because the idea that Maggie would just be fine with going on an adventure with her husbands murderer is so disconnected from reality that I cant even bring myself to watch it.
I just hope we'll see Invincible-style animated The Walking Dead show
I’m not sure about this choice of background music. Doesn’t really fit the content