How Does Jeep's New Plug In Hybrid System Work? | 2022 Jeep Wrangler 4xe
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2021
- Jeep's new Wrangler 4xe isn't the first Jeep with a plug, but it is the first PHEV Jeep is selling in the United States and the first one with off roading in mind. Jeep's mission with the Wrangler 4xe was to make a Jeep that's just as capable as any other Sahara or Rubicon that happens to have an EV mode. To do that they teamed up with ZF to create a new 8-speed automatic with a 181 horsepower electric motor, then they bolted a 17.3 kWh battery to the frame, tossed a 7.2 kW charger on board and called it a day. The combination is good for 375 horsepower, a whopping 470 lb-ft of torque, and a somewhat less than exciting 22 miles of range. How does it all come together? Let's find out together!
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This is pretty awesome, I'm a big fan of PHEVs, electricity only for 80% of your driving then gas for road trips or those extra long shopping days. Plus the extra torque at low rpms is really nice to have.
nice gateway to EV
When Jeep finally makes an EV it should be the most reliable Jeep in their line up.
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I thought that about the Chevy Bolt and then it started catching fire.
Very cool. Knowing Jeep, this must cost an arm & a leg.
The cheapest is around $50k, but there's also a substantial tax credit available.
@@bryanmills2295 those tax credits are tricky. Need to have that net tax burden in the 1st place. Personally, I wouldn't buy *ANY* brand new car. That's how middle class people stay broke.
@@donhill1825 I'd be inclined to wait a year or 2 and pick one of these up used. Probably would come out way ahead, even without the tax credits.
@@donhill1825 They're not tricky, but definitely benefit the higher income earners who can afford the high price tag. They're based on what your federal tax liability is for the year, as filed individually or as a married couple. The tax credit is $7500. If you paid $7500 or more in federal taxes throughout the year, you'll get the full credit. If you paid less than that, then you'll only get up to what you paid. Paid $5k? Max credit is $5k. Some states also offer state tax credits on top of the federal credit.
The tax credit is a terrible way to do it. The fairest way is adding an emissions tax to fuel purchases... but then Americans would bawl their eyes out for having to pay more for the environmental damage they do.
@@updlate4756 That’s not well thought through. EV owners already don’t pay for fuel taxes that pay for the roads. You want that burden to be even higher? Why not just issue a tax refund for the amount?
Anyway, the vast majority of Americans qualify for far more than $7500.
What an Awesome Review! Clearly the best I've seen, no one has talked about all the parts! I have a 2007 JK Rubicon since new and this is the first Wrangler that has interested me. 8 miles to work, so perfect. I love the off-road electric only mode. Thank you!
Excellent, thorough description. This is the first description of the electric AC compressor and the cabin heater I've seen. Good job.
Alex, just wanted to say I have watched many of your videos over the past years and think you are doing an amazing job!
I hope in the Grand Cherokee they stuff a V6 or V8 hybrid under the hood, and a bigger battery with at least 50 miles of range.
A V-16 and a thousand miles of range. And titanium axles too! 😂 😂 😂
If they do a V6 with 50mi battery for under $60k I'd buy 2.
this can be useful for wildlife photography
Love that you give us sneak peaks!!
It's still a fiat-chrysler so "what makes it tick" is a really good question. The lifters. Probably the fuel pump. The right rear wheel bearing. ...
And just wait until the Peugeot influence kicks in!
Awesome video. This should be required viewing for dealerships.
So awesome Jeep's New Plug In Hybrid!
This period of time for Jeep will be looked back on as such an oddity. All the complexities of trying to combine an engine and electric, with few of the advantages, like reduced maintenance. Wait for the all electric model, like a Rivian, with one motor at each wheel producing tons of instant torque and being the amazing rock crawler you’ll want.
I agree. Skip the middle steps. Rivian is much more compelling.
Totally agree. One motor per wheel, with super fast computer control, will soon be the ultimate off road drivetrain.
While I like Rivian and will probably buy one, this is likely to be better at rock crawling. This is because putting motor behind a transmission gives a lot of reduction and the benefit of traditional locking diffs.
the problem is range - can't charge in the middle of nowhere. Jeep really did the best of both worlds with this one
@@errhka Yeah and you likely can take a solar panel setup on a roof rack to charge it on a long overland trip. Will be way slow but even if you have to use a whole day of charge time to drive out 20miles to refuel that is better than most alternatives.
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The best thing about that second electric motor that charges the battery at the stop light is that you can use it for climate control ALL NIGHT while camping.
Way Cool! Glad to know I can be eco-friendly while I tear up mountain trails.
Holy crap, I never thought they would make these models into HEV or PHEV
Edit: 19 city 24 hwy? my god, those are terrible numbers for a hybrid.
It’s basically like a normal Jeep but are charging more, hard pass for me.
Not great, but I understand the highway numbers. This thing has the aerodynamics of a Lego truck. As for city, that must be one thirsty little engine. Given what a lousy daily driver a Wrangler is for most of us, that ability to commute on battery power seems of questionable consequence. It's a nice drivetrain, but an awkward fit for a Jeep.
The 2021 PHEV Wranglers have MSRP's from $53K to $63K. That's crazy unless you're really into off-roading. Lots of very nice PHEV vehicles for less, but again if going off-road is your weekend hobby then this might make sense. However there is a $7500 tax credit on the 4xe so that helps a bit.
If you’re really into off-roading, you don’t take a brand new, $55k Jeep. You get a $5k old Jeep and sink $10k worth of modifications into it.
@@afcgeo882 THIS. And for $50K plus for basically the same Jeep I’d rather get another brand like Tesla to be honest.
Alex, first time viewer and now a subscriber. I am very curious about the PHEV options available in the market. Could you do a comparison of the SUV PHEV options in a video segment? Perhaps the X5 from BMW vs other similar sized, and the Jeep could be included as well (I know the vehicle is a different use case), but fundamentally these all offer zero gas driving for around town and short commutes, with gas motor for longer trips.
Thank you
This is the one i want.
Impressive ease of low speed moves on electricity. Hope there is a ‘save the battery for later’ drive mode. I’d want all 25 miles for the trail if I were doing technical moves near / on rock. Low range and the smooth power of the electric motor? Nice.
Love mine have a 2022 4XE rubicon
That slow crawl made some good rc noises lol
They should do a range extender version with motors to each wheel and have easily 400 NM per wheel and be the torque monster
You can only hope that the engineers at Jeep/Dodge/Ram who put this together, weren't the same geniuses who came up with their Uconnect5.
5:13 It's the perfect Wrangler for ASMR aficionados
Are there other phevs that run heat and/or A/C purely off the battery as long as the battery has charge? This seems ideal for car camping, and might help make phevs more popular.
the most aggressive low range ever seen with monstrous torque
So is there no fan or filters you have to clean to cool the battery pack like on Toyota hybrid systems?
In the off reading scenes, it sounds like a squeaky dog toy constantly squeaking
I think by law EV has to make some noise at lower speed for pedestrians warnings. I can’t speak for their choice of the noise they make though lol
Anyone else notice Alex foaming at the mouth a bit over that cut away? LoL
I would too 🥳
I'm not a fan of Jeeps but that was pretty sweet!
@@ElroyMcDuff it's like they made it just for him
Very cool. I would have liked to see them downsize the powertrain for better economy though. Mileage that's unchanged from the non-hybrid? Clearly this exercise was all about HP (plug-in range aside).
It’s about compliance.
Do you know the size of the gas tank compared to a non-hybrid Sahara jeep?
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Will it be in the 2 door model or only the 4 door?
Wranglers only gets like 20-25 mpg combined (depending on engine option), so while the EV efficiency isn't great, it's replacing the inefficient ICE use. I imagine this thing would get MUCH better EV range if you swapped out those tires for smaller lower rolling resistance tires like most EVs. I also imagine the highway driving is what brings down the average with its terrible .45 drag coefficient. City driving should be way better. Now the real question... how hard/expensive would it be to swap in the PHEV components into an ICE Wrangler?
Will the electric motor at the trans work with any other motors
Looks like a last minute design
That’s a good way to get it done, except for one thing. That ZF-8 transmission isn’t known for its reliability. Making it more complex is likely not the answer.
Are the clutches in the trans wet or dry? Only 22 miles sounds pointless. @ 4:20 milage is worse then the ice version unless you live in the ideal conditions. I want one but there going to have to do better then that.
Is it flat towable for RVs? I have not seen any documentation from Jeep on this and will it recharge the battery while being towed? Just being able.to.flat tow it will be the major concern. Being able to recharge while towing would be the icing on the cake.
Yes it is flat towable, no it will not recharge from being towed. You could however run a cable to the charge port.
It would be cool if it could use trailer brake controller to apply some regen. Also not sure if that would have some safety issues.Altho with such a limited market I cant see that happening.
I’m not an engineer, just considering buying a 4xe. What happens if you need to service the electric motor inside the transmission? Do you just replace the whole transmission?
Seems like this is using a similar Hybrid system as the recent Maserati Ghibli and Levante.
I think this may get rid of the hassle of always stopping or gas
Hello my friend I have problems with my jeep 4ex the car in park (P) and still moving and can’t start the car pls any help
No clutches instead of a torque converter on a off-road vehicle.
It makes me wonder if that will overheat.
I hope Toyota comes up with a robust solution. I'd love to have a Prado PHEV one day :)
Unlike in a DCT, these clutches won't be engaging and disengaging under power often.
@@markmiller3279
How so?
This is not the same solution as Hybrid Synergy Drive from Toyota (the solution from Prius).
Especially in the scenario where torque from the gasoline engine is used, the clothes will be used to smooth out the difference in the rotation speed.
Will this be the same system in the upcoming Grand Cherokee L 4 XE?
They have not said yet, but it is likely that it will be
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Hopefully Jeep will be able to place a larger battery in the GC 4 XE to increase the milage.
@@JamesDornbos Batteries weigh a lot. I doubt any PHEV will have lots more than 20 miles of effective range. No need for it. You’re lugging around a whole ICE engine and transmission when in EV mode and a whole battery when in ICE/hybrid mode. Not efficient.
@@afcgeo882Yeah I hear ya, I just hope they increase the range to meet the US average commute to work at 26.6 miles a day.
@@JamesDornbos The US average commute is 16 miles or 26.4 minutes. That was become the pandemic and its WFH changes. I suspect the average will now go down, but we’ll see.
I wonder how weather proofed all the new components are
100% sealed with 30” of water fording ability
Fuel economy is lower than a regular Wrangler? How does Jeep even manage something like that?
Is this a similar system to the Pacifica hybrid?
No, completely different
That electric torque when off-roading should be vvvvvveeeeerrrry useful.
Problem with phev’s is a large proportion of buyers, who may have started with good intentions, don’t plug them in very often, so it ends up being a worse hev with a big, heavy, expensive battery.
What’s the percentage?
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this thing must weight more than the diesel
Back in the old days when things were simpler, you had natural aspirated 6 cylinder and a manual transmission. All very easy to maintain which allows the car to last for decades or forever if you properly maintain it. This is the practical way to be friendly to the environment because you're not throwing away a car and generating waste.
Of course, that doesn't look nice from the business of making cars. So car makers makes the car with a lot of complexity with plenty of planned obsolescence. Then called it a hybrid which essentially means two power unit instead of one. Yep, twice the amount of complexity, more things to break so you will throw away the car more quickly.
How is this gonna help the environment?
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I was thinking Barbie dream Jeep 😅
I just ordered this on Saturday. I am SO excited
The thought of using absolutely no gas for a Jeep is remarkable.
Chrysler taking on even more electronics? Lmao.
This thing will last 2 years max.
Yah, hate to say but agree. The plug in (PHEV) Jeep renegade is also built in southern italy. My experience with a broken down rental car in southern italy (Amalfi coast) in the mid-80s -- bring it to the only English-speaking mechanic in the area -- kicks the tire, ask what the problem? Waves hand, domani, domani (tomorrow). Didn't see the car again for a week. Things might have improved since then, but a mindset is a terribly difficult thing to break.
love this BUT they need to play caught up!!! give me my all electric wrangler!!!
It could be done, but would you be happy with a 6,000 pound wrangler that had an 80 mile range?
@@AAutoBuyersGuide 🤣 true... here's to hoping for more efficient battery tech in the next 10 years
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Yeah the aerodynamics of a wrangler would require a pretty hefty battery if customers want to drive at highway speeds for any length of time.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I’m not sure that is fair. Rivian don’t have such a small range.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Party pooper! :-P
Hello.
In hybrid mode, is every engine start basically a cold start under load with no immediate oil pressure ? Or is oil temp and pressure somehow maintained ?
Thinking of engine life and reliability.....
Oil temperature, not pressure, is maintained by engines very well. Maybe even too well. It starts waaay more often than it takes for it to cool off.
@@afcgeo882
Still, no / low pressure loaded start seems a good way to grind engine components....
@@DARisse-ji1yw What pressure are you talking about? These are modern vehicles with oil pumps. Are you from 1920?
@@afcgeo882
Even in 2021, the most wear to engine components takes place at startup.
Hydraulic lifters require pressure to actuate, and oils are formulated to perform best at specific temperature ranges.
None of which matters if oil is below temperature and/ or sitting in the sump.
@@DARisse-ji1yw That’s true, but hybrids don’t use starters, which pull only a fraction of the amperage needed to fully crank an engine, from the 12v battery. They draw the power from one of the electric motor/generators, which makes enough power to do a smooth full crank of the engine. That in turn reduces a large quantity of wear and tear of the starting process. Hybrids also don’t have alternators, charging the 12v from the generator as well. They do have functioning oil pumps to create the necessary pressure as well.
My Rav4 hybrid starts the engine at startup, after a full boot-up, and runs the engine until it is warmed up. As the primary drive comes from the electric motor, no additional burden is placed on the engine as it continues until its optimal temperatures and shuts off, unless needed. Once it is needed or it starts to cool off, it restarts again. Keep in mind that it uses 0W-16 fully synthetic oil. On the one hand, it often cycles between hot and “hot enough” temperatures, which isn’t ideal, but on the other hand, they still stay within proper operating temps and high temperatures is what destroys the oil to begin with.
Please keep in mind that car manufacturers employ actually experienced mechanical engineers and not RUclips commenters and might have an idea if what they’re doing, considering that cars are more reliable than they’ve ever been in history, despite (or due to) their complexities.
I mean 22 miles of range the outlander phev can do, i dont see the benifit of the jeep. its not even a two door which is a real jeep. Honestly it doesnt have enough range to matter, I want an electric jeep, or a phev with a useable range.
Ford need to do this to make a focus RS again take the 2.3 and then say BYE BYE to the turbo and instead create a hybrid system using two electric motors to up the horsepower to 360
Yes cause motors have more torque and more power it will more likely be 360 not 350 like the current and DEAD RS has
Domestic car companies had enough reliability issues and couldn’t make cylinder deactivation work well with auto transmissions, now we’ve added complex hybrid technology to the pot, or should I say toilet.
22 miles of EV range = no thank you. Need about 50 miles to justify the $50K price tag and even then I’d rather get a Tesla Model Y or Cybertruck.
I’d rather have less components setup for failure, than more.
Bio-diesel engine should be in Jeep's foreseeable future.
I have a Jeep renegade trailhawk. I would have jumped on a renegade PHEV in an instant. Why go with a wrangler I have no idea. I don’t see many jeepsters buying this wrangler lol. They love their gas guzzlers. I see the V8 selling more than the hybrid version. The renegade would have been a much better tester for this technology. It’s more fit for urban use I can say personally and more practical as well. What a waste of time Jeep!! I have been shopping for either a hybrid or EV. Nothing catches my eye out there. It’s either too big or too small. The renegade is the right size.
interesting vehicle. but I'd want doors so i can lock it.
Will this be a reliable hybrid system given the fact that it’s an fca (sorry stellantis) product? That’s the elephant in the room question with anything new from stellantis haha
The majority of the hybrid system is made by ZF, so it’s probably going to be similar to all the European RWD hybrids of similar design
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Seems like they used a very similar system to the Pacifica hybrid but I think you said it gets worse fuel economy which seems strange
Actually it is very very different. The Pacifica system is essentially the same as a Toyota hybrid in that it has a single planetary gear set and two motors. The Pacifica lacks a traditional transmission.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I guess with Chrysler transmission reputation that’s a good thing. The only negative I’ve noticed is you have to be very careful when going up a hill slowly because it will roll back fast if you’re not careful, thank you for the response Alex I really appreciate and love your show
The embargo is just for journalist, or everyone? Owners who recently got delivery of their 4xe’s are posting driving impressions.
Why is the technology so far behind, 1997 GM had the EV1 car that could do 142 miles on battery and let alone on NIMH technology.
I’m happy to see Chrysler making moves towards electric as well
When are Honda and Toyota gonna take electrification seriously?
If you mean full evs toyota announced the concept recently that looks real
But as far as electrification in general such as hybrids both Honda and Toyota are there
One can logically argue that Toyota takes it more seriously than anyone. Because of finite resources it makes far more ecological sense to produce hybrids with the same supply of batteries then a much smaller number of full electric vehicles or plug-ins. The environmental impact of producing 100 Corolla or RAV4 hybrids is far greater than someone buying a single model S.
Owners will be able to purchase gas and just burn it, to ensure they reach the levels of gas consumption they are used to with a Jeep.
I do 40 miles each way. So 100 EV miles (80 minimum) would get my money.
Fuel economy is worse than a normal vehicle with the same engine and transmission?! No thanks!
Imagine in 5-7 years when Battery technology gets so better that in same battery size as this jeep we would get a 60-70 Li-ion.
Not sure we can push Li-Ion technology that far. The increases are slowing down. May need to switch to some other battery chemistry to get there.
So why do you need to plug it in to charge it? Won't the alternator/generator charge the batteries? Sorry, I am uneducated when it comes to electric vehicles. I don't see why electric vehicles won't recharge themselves while driving instead of draining the battery. Is this a government restriction so electric companies get paid?
Electric and overlanding is a bad combo. You overload your vehicle with camping gear, airdown your tires and oversize your tires and expect electric batteries to get you to where you are going and stay out boondocking or exploring with no recharge? Even gas Jeeps carry extra gas for a reason. Even the best EV company Tesla only gets 70 percent efficiency on a 300 mile range car going at speed limits with normal load. Add suspension, gear, armor, big tires, low air pressure, bad aerodynamics you have a recipe for 40 percent battery efficiency offroad.
It's 4-By-e, not 4-Ex-e. I feel so dumb.
4:20 What? That doesn't make any sense. How can the fuel economy be lower on a hybrid? That's the whole point of hybrids, to save the planet.
Easy. Weight. Hybrids are heavier. Simple physics.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I’ve never seen a hybrid with worse MPG than the regular ICE version of that car. I don’t think that’s right.
@@djp1234 diesel. Diesel beats the PHEV. People hate on diesel powertrains, yet they beat PHEVs quite often in terms of efficiency.
@@Pickuptrucktalk diesel is my top choice. I’ve been waiting for a diesel Grand Cherokee for the past 3 years, but I have a feeling they won’t bring it back. And the previous generation Grand Cherokee ecodiesel that they recalled got crippled by their software update.
Two electric motors for charging at stop light means they can't innovate...
Yikes, that looks like it cost a lot when it breaks... toys for the rich!
TOO MUCH COMPLEXITY
So taking a perfect simple vehicle and making it extremely complicated, expensive and impossible to repair. Enjoy
Does it get the $7,500 federal tax credit?
You will be paying sooo much more for the upfront cost even with the gov assistance. Nowhere near worth it. 63kw cost around $14. each charge. It takes 75 pounds of coal or 3 barrels of oil E A C H C H A R G E for 63kw. Do your research.
This is Not a true hybrid like the Prius where it truly SELF charges and you never need to plug it in. This is a poor design.
wow.. they even made it sound like the small electric jeep I had as a kid over 25 years ago...
I have never heard a real car (EV or PHEV) have that terrible whining sound like this jeep does... yikes...
This looks so technically unreliable it's not even funny.
Nah, hard pass for me! I’ll wait and see what Toyota has to offer in their new upcoming hybrid models (4x4 Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner, etc...)! That jeep is overpriced and underwhelming!