Jeep Wrangler 4Xe Hybrid | Bronco Enters Chat
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- We do a quick review on the new Wrangler 4XE Plug-in Hybrid. After doing a comprehensive technical deep dive on the Rubicon and Sahara and driving the new Ford Bronco, we decided it was time for a state of the union. With more manufacturers getting creative with truck products the Wrangler will have more competition.
#Jeep #Wrangler #EV
Index:
00:00 Intro
01:00 Driving Impressions
8:30 Final Thoughts 
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I need that 21 miles of ev range to offset the carbon footprint of all my emergency Beef and Cheddar runs.
Fun fact. I saw somebody mentioned, that EV cars get around 5mpg efficiency, if you charge it with electricity from fossil fueled power plant
@Frugal Family Living on a small scale, when small amount of ppl have evs. What happens if 300 million people plug in their car at the same time ? Building the infrastructure and spending billions for that just invalidates all the "eco" things you'd want to accomplish. But I hope Im wrong, I just cant trust the government and politicians when forcing something anymore.
@@dwade3202 the vax is solving the overpopulation problem. dont tell anyone tho LOL
@Frugal Family Living True. It’s also easier upgrading and maintaining one giant generator at the plant as opposed to millions of separate engines on vehicles.
@@dwade3202 I'd love to see nuclear make a big comeback
Jeep Wrangler 4Xe: You're a grown up now, but you still want to drive the battery powered Jeep you had as a kid.
Underrated lol
Man this comment gave me nostalgia from being 3 lol
Funni
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@@defyyourlogic487 Getting dad to charge up those batteries all Thursday night for roughly 12 minutes of rolling on level cement. Or getting stuck on something lol.
Those tires say “Trader Joe’s”.
"Stellantis" sounds like an ED drug...
ask your doctor if Stellantis is right for you...
Smith and Sniff Podcast (Jonny Smith of Fifth Gear fame and Richard Porter of Top Gear not-so-famous-but-in-the-background) have made a running joke abotu Stellantis sounding like a early 00's DJ or dance act :P DJ Stellantis in the house! :D
I have a Sahara 4XE, and it's been great. It was $56K with popular options, and I got a $2300 discount plus the $7500 tax incentive. I have gotten as many as 31 miles in all-electric, and I average 26-27. I take enough shorter trips that I've averaged right at 30 mpg overall over the last 3,500 miles. For me, that's quite a win. I don't regret this purchase in any way.
Great to hear. Have a neigbor that got one and it is much faster and more efficient than my gladiator with the v6.
Did you lease it or buy it?
@@savagegeese I did a lease. First down, 48/12K, and it’s $460/mo. Residual is $33K, so it’s an easy sell at the end. I didn’t trust everything well enough for a purchase, but it’s been great thus far. I planned to purchase the new Ford Lightening, but the charging network and experience isn’t quite where I want it to be vs. Tesla to make that jump yet. Tesla is still a generation ahead in that regard.
@@KevinLeeLowhorn that was a smart move I'll be curious to see how the thing holds up over the course of your ownership
Leasing is the way to go with these. Leased a 67k msrp Rubicon 4xe for 500/ a month. If you want a regular Rubicon that’s going to cost you 700+ to lease in today’s market
The cinematography is just brilliant. Love the work you guys do.
Ahhh Finally, stock jeep found their true audience, fast food drive through, high school parking lots, costco runs, fancy car wash drive through, and the house parking space
Even the Rubicons don't leave the Cheesecake Factory parking lot!
😂
Scarily accurate
Dont insult the jeep people they yell at you.
@@johng.4959 Yes and they always park in the spot with a snow bank in the winter to justify their purchase.
FINALLY a reviewer mentions that you have to make a certain amount of money to get the full $7500 tax rebate. Every other review I've ever seen mention the federal tax rebate does not make this point.... It's not just a free $7500 for everyone. Excellent and transparent journalism here!
not if you lease it. Comes right off the adj cap cost. you get the 7500 immediately.
Drone footage looked pretty cool
As an actual owner of a Rubicon 4xe a few points.
1. You really have to lol at what type of commuting your doing. We do lots of short quick 10-30. Ike trips. Sometime multiple times a day. Since getting the vehicle in early June we are averaging 39.8 mpg. We have another PHEV so we do have a Level 2 charger and you can charge the battery from 1% to 70% in about 1 hour. Full charge is right around 2 hours, but it trickle charges towards the end.
2. Price. There are many Jeep dealers who charge 10-12% off MSRP if you order one. Which is what I did. From the day the dealer placed my order to delivery at the dealer was exactly 28 days. Obviously it could be longer or shorter, but this it typical for most Wrangler orders (30 days or less).
3. Check your state but there are typically state and federal rebates. After the dealer discount and factoring in the rebates I’m at $43K with w pretty loaded Rubicon 4xe.
The 4xe is not perfect but for the money the Bronco didn’t make sense to me. I off-road too, but my kids love the Jeep.
Waiting til' 2023 for a 2021 Bronco didn't make sense to me, so my 4xe is on order. I get why people who might have long commutes or live out in the country might not get it. But it's funny that people who would ordinarily consider adding a blower to the pentastar, or tune the 2L and maybe add a bigger aftermarket turbo(both options that would cost thousands of dollars and have potential for serious reliability issues), look right past a 4xe, which does the same thing and straps a 10 year warranty to the power adder. And lets you drive around without the engine running at all.
@@robsolf did you get yorus yet? I ordered mine on 3.26.
I leased a 4xe Rubicon. $60k sticker, taxes and fees down, $420/mo for 3/36k. In my mind you can’t beat that. 95% of days I drive less than 20 miles; for the other days (trips to my cabin in the woods) the gas engine works great. You can talk all day about whether the Bronco is better or worse, but unless you ordered a year ago or more, or are willing to pay out the ass for a markup, you’re not getting a Bronco for at least a year. At the end of my 3 year lease I’ll drive both and make a choice; for right now the 4xe makes all the sense in the world for me. And silent off-roading to use while hunting is awesome.
Yes you have totally convinced yourself
@@rxa177 Dude, he’s right. Think of what he’s got for $420/mo. As he says, 95% of the time he doesnt buy gas, and doesnt have to waste time every few days in a gas station. It’s a Rubicon, so it can go places only a few other vehicles can go at any price. It also seats 5, including their luggage. And it doesnt get stuck in snow or mud, AND, it’s also a fucking convertible, AND you can take the doors off if you like. AND it’s sub 6 seconds to 60, which is fast.
I challenge you to name a vehicle more multitalented than that.
Christopher. I think it will work well for you. Hope its good and you enjoy it.
Did you use an auto broker or did you go to the dealership ?
Thankful for the competition, bring on the innovation!
I’ve been finding it hard to sleep lately from stress, and these videos have been amazing to just put on the iPad in bed until I drift off. I always end up out in the shop segment, even though they’re my favorite. Love this channel, keep up the great work
I hope Jeep keeps their front axles, whatever they decide. It is iconic and it would be cool to see how they engineer around it (referring to its deficiencies for on road use).
That shouldn't be a problem unless they decide to make it one, don't see why they couldn't just stick an electric motor directly onto each differential, and just use the diff as the reduction gearing for the motor, and then just get rid of the driveshafts entirely. Engineering-wise, if you have driveshafts on an electrified vehicle, you gotta go right back to the drawing board and start again, because you done' fucked up. Just looking at the cutaway of this model it goes to show that Fiat Chrysler is still struggling to figure out how to make hybrids and EVs, they are just sort of slapping power electronics onto their existing drivetrain and adding a bunch of weight and parasitic efficiency losses, and it really shows since this thing manages to get worse fuel economy than the 4banger Wrangler, and the electric-only mode has the worst efficiency of any electric vehicle.
@@0hypnotoad0 I don’t think the Wrangler shows Jeep ‘struggling’ to make hybrids, it’s just that the Wrangler platform is hard to turn into a PHEV. Not only is there not a lot of room for a motor and batteries (it wasn’t really designed to be a hybrid) but they don’t have the luxury of mounting the batteries low like other manufacturers because they need to retain the same off-road clearance. Jeep could easily solve all the packaging issues by designing a ground-up platform specifically for EV powertrains, and they’re probably doing that right now. But this is the best they can do with this platform without limiting its capabilities.
@@matthewp9015 It shouldn't be that difficult, though. The problem is that they left the full size driveshafts in the drivetrain, even though driveshafts are almost completely pointless in EVs where motors are basically the size of a coffee can and not much heavier than the differential. This was literally a case of Jeep buying a bunch of off-the-shelf EV parts and shoehorning them into their ICE powertrain, that's basically why the range and fuel economy are so bad.
@@0hypnotoad0 well they had to keep the full-size driveshafts, because this is only a PHEV. If the battery runs flat, it’s running on the ICE alone - so it needs regular D/S’s to allow it to still have 4WD. You can only eliminate those driveshafts when you throw out the ICE…
There are already solid axles with integrated electric motors for very easy swaps intended for rear pickup truck axles but I'm sure this could be made for front axles too. The production EV Wrangler will likely not be like the Magneto concept though. Currently all EV pickups have fully independent suspension all around.
Those zoomed out drone shots look amazing with the red Jeep and empty roads
Smooth road, Sahara trim, and your heads are still moving around like the Roxbury Guys. What is love…? Jeep
"I broke the window again. Dad's gonna kill us."
Baby, don’t hurt me.
no more...
You guys are my best friends
I like this format for something you've reviewed before with a different major change such as a non exciting drivetrain change. Top notch filming as always
Congratulations on the 500k! Marcus and Jackus. You deserve millions more.
WOW, love those shiny new road surfaces they laid down for your testing!!
One of the best episodes! First class, as always!
I got exactly what I came here for and I couldn't have been more satisfied.
I know of your equation… the infinite loop
If you wanna gag the wallet, wrangler
I hate Jeeps but the lease deals on the 4xe are insane enough that I might need to get one. My work is 3 miles away and my second family is only 6 miles away.
Congratulations on passing 500K Subs! Keep it going, you guys are awesome!
@Pete 🪞
What a great video. Great thoughts. Love how you do the production. Great video, sound and editing.
The part where it is stated that it gets worse MPG than the regular 4 cylinder is based on the EPA rating. Those of us that have had them for a while are getting better gas mileage when running in hybrid than regular 4 cylinder Jeep Wranglers.
A lot of us are seeing more like 24 to 26+ electric miles. That doesn’t seem like a lot but I’ve been able to get 1200 miles on a single tank of gas. Right now, I have 130 electric miles and 6 hybrid miles on my trip odometer. Depending on your daily needs, that electric range can go a long way. I’ve done over 100 miles in a day doing errands and charging in between.
Side note: In the Jeep product launches in North America and Europe both pronounced 4XE “4 by E” not “4 ex E”. 4X4 became 4XE so it’s BY not EX.
Base Jeep Wranglers took me a lot of back country places for years, I expect the base Ford Bronco will do the same.
Man your product glamour shots at the beginning are crisp, clean with beautiful color. I know I’m not supposed to notice, but the quality deserves recognition. The quality of the content is a given. FYI not in the market for a Jeep but I’m interested in an intelligent take on the 4Xe.
Ok Ford, now we need a PowerBoost Bronco pickup.
I became a motorcycle fan when Kawasaki responded to the Hyabusa with the ZX-14, basically looking Suzuki straight in the eye and saying, “No matter what you do, we will make a faster bike”.
Foolish for public road use, where they were already faster than needed or safe. More more more speaks to people who can't handle what they already have and think it's someone else's burden to make their life better. Now if you want to talk about the race track, nothing can be done to make this Jeep a contender on a race track, except revert back to all ICE or all EV power.
@@stinkycheese804 It had almost nothing to do with how fast the bikes actually were, and more to do with the absolute determination to be the best.
You guys have become my favorite car reviewers on RUclips.
I don't think Jeep has anything to worry about. I use to work at Chrysler dealership and they have No issues selling the wranglers for alot
That was when they had no affordable competition. The Bronco changes that.
@@markmiller3279 I think Jeep will be just fine.
@@didafm Yeah, I agree. There's still a hardcore Jeep crowd underneath all the first time buyers that just want a Jeep.
@@jimglass1161 the hardcore jeep fans aren't buying Wranglers newer then the TJ generation (or xj). The E46 M3 of wranglers..... Only brand cultists, superficial folks, and upper class Midwest mom's that don't want to look lame in a van are gonna buy any new wrangler....... There is no short supply of these folks.
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo ...no joke on the "midwest mom". There are so many naked wranglers running around our quaint Ohio town, you'd think you were at a nudist beach...Wranglers are everywhere. Most of the time it is just her in the vehicle. Although I have seen a few dads and kids in seats tooling around (mom must have been running errands in her Wrangler at that time)....
The sorority houses in my town will need to add a bunch of charging stations.
...why, they will all pile into one vehicle, drive it till it out of juice, then get in the next one; rinse and repeat. why use you stuff when you can use someone else's
Nah, they’ll never charge it-that would take an extra 30sec to plug it in
Jeep added some to trail entrances. They will almost never be used.
Well, no surprise there. I really didn't expect a plug-in hybrid to be a Bronco buster.
I'd rather drive a compact Mitsubishi.
And the next Range Rover is probably gonna be called Range Extender.
(With a proper V8 you can feel the thunder inside.)
Mark did a good impression of Sofyan Bey during that hybrid acceleration run.
Soyfan gay
@@wigletron2846 yeah, what of it?
Damn! It’s so well shot!
Congratz on 500k subs!
Hopefully it will work better than my cordless Dyson. Every time I use it for quick clean I wind up finishing the job with my corded vac.
EPA 21 electric miles means about 15-18 real world miles. Beyond that, you’re using gas.
What's the point? This is useless.
Which dyson model do u own
@@blackice7408 It's a DC 44 Animal that my wife bought from QVC years ago. It's okay for quick spot cleaning. But I prefer my Shark Power Lift Away.
@@billgarci well no wonder. I own the v10 motorhead ( I bought some more dyson cleaning attachments seperately with it) and it's the best vac I've ever owned and the only vac I need. I use it to clean the house - top to bottom and to do other small jobs as well as car cleaning. U need to upgrade big time bro. Get the v15 if u can or even the plus version of it
Congrats on passing 500k subs!
One observation. Because of the centrally low mounted and heavy battery, it feels more planted on road than other JLs. As someone who teleworks, I’ve been able to go totally electric with it in town, used the gas for a few outdoor trips.
500K subs, nice job!
Extremely limited off road range in EV mode. Limited range on road. Otherwise a way heavier Jeep. Why?
so I can go to a greenpeace rally and argue with teen activists on how I can be a environmentally conscious person while driving a jeep.
It’s really supposed to be used together as a hybrid system rather than just ev mode. I have the v6 in my gladiator and the 4xe is much much faster. And the for off-roading the instant torque is great especially for technical trails. The ev only mode can be used on road.
There’s a lot of trips that don’t use half that mileage. If I run to the grocer, that’s like 6 miles round trip. Most people commute less than 20 miles to work, and a lot of those people can recharge at work.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 agreed. Most trips I take around town are less than the 20 miles. I like the hybrid instead of full electric because charging a Tesla on a road trip sucks.
For people who live in cities or smaller urban areas, 20 miles is enough for almost all errands and many commutes. It's also a hybrid the rest of the time, with improved performance relative to the turbo-four. The negatives are price and weight, but for many those are no big deal.
"This particular one is in the mid $50k range" Who's this for? Cause I don't think even Jeep knows.
...for people who like to lease $50k+ vehicles....which there are a lot of people out there that apparently like to lease $50k+ vehicles. I wonder how many pick-up trucks are leased vs actual owning when the payments are done...
Its much less impressive to drive a car that you lease lol if only there was a way to know when you see cars on the road.
@@CadgerChristmasLightShow why? leasing is sometimes great, you don't deal with depreciation
I like the 4xe a lot, I'm hoping to get one soon, but it's gonna be a lease. I agree that the tech is gonna be changing quickly so I like the idea of giving it back in 3 years and then getting the next upgraded version... however the next one might be too difficult to swing if they kill off the tax credit. Guess I better start buying lottery tickets now...
People talk about the battery dying in 10 years and it costing 10 billion dollars to replace... you know... cuz capacities on other batteries haven't increased massively since 2012, and prices per kwh haven't decreased.../s
Can you get a giant Power Wheels sticker for the back window?
...on Amazon, anything is possible...
2:12 had me dying. The face, the editing before the moan, the laugh. Killed me.
This video has crazy production wow
Dear savegegeese, like some of us here even mentioned, your cinematography is absolutely stunning! It is rare to have a car reviewer who would invest on an equipment and shoots stunning details just for a car review channel. Would you mind share with us what sort of camera equipment you used to make such cinematic yet seemingly humble car review videos? Perhaps do an episode and share with your how your videography workflow looks like. That would be educational. Cheers!
There's some misconception about price when it comes to Bronco with Sasquatch versus Wrangler Rubicon. It's about a $4K price difference between a base Bronco+Sasquatch versus a Wrangler Rubicon. About $38K vs $42K. You don't have to pay $50K+ for a Rubicon; those ones are all additional items. A "no options" Rubicon is basically a Sport S interior but with the off-road extras. It doesn't force you into a ton of luxury items, but they're available if you want them. Also; Sasquatch does not come with the disconnecting sway bar.... that requires you choose the Bad Lands trim. That feature is very important if you're concerned about off-road ability, without it the Bronco just can't articulate all that well.
Even with the sway bar disconnect, it doesnt appear the Bronco can flex as much as the Jeep (Ford claims to get more flex). It all boils down to needs and look preferences. Those that really off road or really appreciate greater ability off road are going to stick with the Wrangler because of the solid axle in the front. I suspect we are going to see a lot of front axle swaps on the Broncos in the future to make them more like a Wrangler, and that is a HUGE expense.
Get a Tacoma instead. Proven!
I'm curious if this will be flat towable? The motorhome market may like these if so - recharge it at the campground you're paying a fee for anyway and use it for those short trips to town where you don't want to put in the slides and pack up the lawn furniture.
I don't know if it's just me, but does the electric motor go through the transmission? Because it sounds and feels like it shifts when driven (I drove one.) If so, isn't that weird?
I have one of these on order that I’m going to lease. Got a great deal plus the tax credit. BUT, it makes sense for my use case. I have a short work commute, and putter around town and in the Tampa area most of the time. Not a lot of highway driving either. With overnight charging, this makes sense for me. But it clearly will not make sense for others with different driving distances and needs
I have yet to see a jeep model that gives me that yearning to own one.
and that's before you see the price ...
Or any Chrysler product for that matter
tj or lj manual straight 6 is where its at when it comes to jeeps. everything else sucks imo
What about the new Bronco?
So what? Resale says otherwise. You’re no big deal.
4:25 i can see my house from here! lake in the hills represent!
Love the Obese Garage shirt - Chet
This Lenin red color is fantastic.
I think Jeep would have gotten a _lot_ more enthusiasm had they made an all-electric version instead. A thorough revision is what this vehicle needs to make full use of its electric drivetrain, like what Ford did with the F150 Lightning.
Yessss, or like the electric hummer.
They did show one in the Easter Jeep Safari as a concept, iirc. Even has a manual transmission.
"If you're just making short trips, to work and back, this makes a lot of sense" - except, why, then, would you be driving a Wrangler? A 5,000-pound, $55,000 Wrangler?
Because peoples car buying habits dont make sense. Nutty
For the look……..the “look at me” thing. People are dumb
@@tomdrummy4984 This also applies to the majority of sports car owners I know.... they're rarely driving enthusiasts. They'll never go on a track day; hell most don't even go out for spirited drives with any frequency. They like the way it looks, maybe the way it sounds, and primarily the image it projects. I don't fault people for these things... at some point you realize there's no gain in caring if someone bought a vehicle for a "vapid" reason. Meanwhile if you're an actual enthusiast these are the people you rely on so there's enough demand to even offer those vehicles you care about.
One of my friends with two growing kids and not a ton of room in the budget is obsessing about getting a Jeep. As an only vehicle, I do not think it will work, especially if she has to commute. Oh, and it's one of those where she says "a Jeep", but we know it's a Wrangler. I am trying to convince her to look at something like a Cherokee if it has to be "a Jeep" but don't have high hopes. I highly doubt she is going off-roading in this Jeep but probably likes the idea of owning one.
@@ARentz07 Truly what are you worried about? It has 4 doors, decent room for all passengers, probably enough space in the back for for she needs. Sure it lacks some safety features but humanity survived to this point for decades without those. If it makes her happy what's the problem? If she test drives it and doesn't run away then why not go for it? And if she doesn't like it well guess what.... Wranglers have some of the best resale value in the entire market.
Is the roof lined with exposed expanded polystyrene?? 😬
Thank you for telling the truth on the $7500 tax rebate. So many auto journalists (TFL) say you just take it off the MSRP. The only way average Joe can take advantage of the rebate is to buy the car in January and change your Federal tax liability to exempt for the rest of the year. Then you will probably break even at tax time.
Well if you don’t pay $7500 in taxes you shouldn’t be buying a new $50k car.
Not sure why ppl seem to think that base Wrangler models (Sport) cannot offroad. All Wranglers can offroad very well without any after market additions.
All the jokes aside, I love the idea of having an off-road capable vehicle that also doesn't get 15mpg with 33s (looking at you Tacoma). We're talking about taking my commute bill and moving the decimal one place to the better.
The real question is, when and what will Bronco do for a hybrid?
I suspect there won't be a hybrid Bronco; rather I think Ford will do a full electric version (like the new F150 Lightning).
@@rogersmj there’s a lot of news on the bronco hybrid with potential test mules and anonymous sources, not to mention Jim Hackett, Ford CEO already confirming a hybrid bronco. The question will be, when and in what form rather than if I think.
Why would anyone buy a Wrangler to commute, unless you are posing for yourself or others?
I've got a JL Unlimited Rubicon on 35s with the 2L + eTorque. We drove it from Seattle to Moab where it got mid 20s for fuel economy.
It did great on the nearly 3000 mile trip, and it did fantastic on the rocks.
@@davidmccarthy6061 because I’m not buying a commuter car and a camping vehicle. I have an 18 Tacoma now and it’s got 40,000 work miles on it and 10,000 fun miles. Wish the numbers were reversed, but my wife isn’t going to let me have a track car, an off-road vehicle, AND a commuter.
One of the only fun cars out there and you can sell it for nearly what you paid for it 5 years later. Saves you way more than any other suv because of that
Ford Raptor,Ram TRX,Toyota 4 runner, Toyota Tacoma, Toyota Supra, Mustang GT350 and GT500,Hellcats, Zl1 Cameros, Toyota Land Cruiser, Subaru STI,911 Porsches,Ford Bronco, all 3/4 and 1 ton diesels trucks, all these cars and trucks plus more are fun with great resale too.
Car And Driver tested this vehicle. It retailed for $63k, and managed 16mpg on their test loop.
I am amazed at Stellantis's ability to build a hybrid that is in most cases less efficient than the pure gas/diesel variant, pure engineering excellence!
Where’s Toyota’s wrangler? The FJ cruiser was a flop with poor visibility. Amazing.
@Ryler Its a plug-in-hybrid. All plug-in hybrids are less efficient on long loops. There have been multiple tests by multiple groups confirming that plug-ins are less efficient unless you actually plug them in and go on short trips. Don't buy a plug-in hybrid unless its primarily going to be your grocery getter around town. Lots of Wranglers are exactly that. Many people buy them for the image as they go shopping around town. So a plug-in Wrangler makes perfect sense for those kinds of customers that mostly use them around town.
@@nolij7765 So like most wranglers as long as all the shopping malls that you're visiting are within the 20-mi range, I guess it would work for you. It just seems like a stupid vehicle to me because if you're going off-roading you're probably going farther than 20 miles to get to a trail, and if you're using it around town there are infinitely better options.
It's just a compromised vehicle with no real upside for 95% of users compared to its gasoline only equivalent.
@@Coasterteen22 In you're world you're talking about buying two vehicles to accomplish what can be done by one. Hybrid jeep goes to the grocery store for pennies and still gets out on the trails with the same MPG as my tacoma.
@@Coasterteen22 I think you'd be surprised how little most people drive. The average American only drives 29 miles a day so that means 50% of people drive less than 29 miles a day which puts them in the very practical and efficient range of a plug-in hybrid for most their driving and would overall be way more fuel efficient than a gas/diesel version.
www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts
The 4Xe is a "here and now" product and one that is all about leasing today. Turn it in in 3 years and move on to something else. In a time where most vehicles are overpriced because of supply crunch, that $7,500 credit applied to the lease has huge impact and leases are very affordable for these. Plus they actually have been in stock.
I bet by the end of next year the they will have grafted the front suspension of the GC to the Wrangler. Solid front axels will be optional only.
That may be the best way to go
That would kill it, unfortunately.
@@lanceislateagain no it wouldn't kill it. Most buyers dont take their wranglers off road. So a switch to IFS would be a welcome change to most. Let the Rubicon and special edition guys have their solid front axels.
@@Turshin that would be the same as saying the Porsche 911 should just be front-engine, rear-wheel drive, because most buyers aren't gonna whip it out on a track.
The solid axles make the Wrangler unique, for however / whatever value that has. If it goes IFS, it dies, simply because it's gonna try to be just like everything else, when everything else has had decades of experience having IFS. You will then have a Wrangler that satisfies no one.
Having solid axles as an option is difficult (not impossible), from a cost perspective. The Wrangler already shares its platform and architecture with no other vehicle (except perhaps the Gladiator, but AFAIK, even that was more Ram than Wrangler), so no other vehicle can be used to distribute costs.
Can't wait for a gr 86 review
I wonder how it handles driving through muddy waters.
I’m sure they tested that out at their ex military proving grounds in Chelsea Michigan USA.
I certainly understand the push for EV and hybrid but I'd like to see what the actual environmental impact is of these vehicles. From the grid-energy used to charge, to the manufacturing of the battery (And mining of the raw materials) and other components, as well as the need to replace the batteries I would be rather shocked if they actually had less of an environmental impact than a traditional ICE vehicle, that when well-built and maintained can last quite a while.
does engine charge battery??
Correction the Suzuki Jimnny is with solid front :)
That isn't sold in USA.
@@timothycc711 he says WORLD :) I guess USA is not the WORLD.
Back in World War II, Ford was responsible for making the Jeep practical, and for giving it it's boxy look with the iconic flat grille with 9 slots. At the end of the war, Willys trademarked the 7 slot grille and grille. I point this out since you all were saying "Jeep was doing this for 100 years" and "Ford was copying them".
FORD had nothing to do with making the jeep practical. In fact as I explain below they lost out on the bid. Willy's was the first on the scene not that this matters since this was during pre production and not a full out Military contract. After pre-production the Military put a bid out. Williy's, Bantam and FORD all submitted their pre-production vehicles. Willy's ultimately was selected, thus they won the Contract. Yes Ford had created a 9 slot Grill, so what? It's the Willy's design and their carryover that made the brand what it is today, not FORD. Willy's even licensed the production of the Jeep to FORD during the war due to the possible
Awww shit..here we go again…
Electrics sealed for waterr crossings?
might give my plug-in prius a run for its money in the daily category
"When you just take it to and from office and on shorter trips it starts to make a lot of sense". No, that's when a Ford Fiesta makes sense.
...there are no "parking lot points" with a Fiesta. You won't talk about your Fiesta in the breakroom or at the urinal...the Jeep on the otherhand; everyone in the office will know what you drive and the MPG you got on the last fill-up. The Wrangler has to have replaced the Mustang as the "middle management" car of choice because I see more Wranglers than Mustangs....
Speak for yourself. Check back to SavageGeese's Fiesta ST video.
This thing is a late 20s/early 30s country fan's dream that lives in New Jersey/New York and commutes to work.
With some basic research can find lease deals on this with as much as 9% off MSRP & 7,500 credited towards lease payments.
I still don’t get the whole plug in hybrid vehicle thing. Is it for people who can’t decide if they want hybrid or electric vehicle? So, now they have a little of both?
What is the 20-40 miles on electric for? Short work commute? You still need to plug it in when you get home.
Or is it…….look what my vehicle can do that yours can’t. 🤣
PHEVs with decent range (40+mi) are actually the best of both worlds. All the benefits of an EV for 80% of your daily driving, and all the advantages of an ICE car when traveling long distances.
Good luck with getting a Bronco for $40g especially with all the production delays and issues that I am seeing from owners, The Bronco is nice but it has some serious flaws as well like cowl shake and a god awful sound system, hardtops that are rattling or missing the sound deadening on half the top, soft tops wearing through and tearing through just weeks after taking ownership. Jeep gives you lots of options engine choices whether it is the 2.0l,3.6l,3.0l Diesel and the 6.4l then the aftermarket support for the Jeep takes that platform to another level all together, The Bronco is in its infancy right now. Ford introduced the Bronco concept back in 2004 so it has taken them 14 years to develop a package to somewhat compete against the Wrangler. The Bronco forte will be the people who like a smooth in town ride and the desert environment and want to play out on the sand dunes and have fun...Jeeps are smaller and more nimble out on the trails and when the trail gets more demanding the solid front axle is the only way to go IMHO. The Bronco is the new kid on the block. As for the comment about Stellantis having a identity crisis I don't believe there is one granted PSA is looking at what works for the US Market and change is good sometimes you need a new set of eyes to really see where they can take the company as a whole..... I've been a Mopar loyalist for 35 years and never once have I had a bad product from them.... Only time we've had a identity crisis was in the Daimler/Chrysler Cerberus days
The “nice but serious flaws” extends to Jeep as well. Unless you’re spending some serious money on a Jeep, you’re getting an awful interior full of plastic from the Daimler days, and the majority of those power trains are trash. Yes there are some good power trains and the aftermarket support is strong and those are positives, but let’s not pretend like it’s a good modern vehicle.
It’s an outdated, uncomfortable, loud, poorly made, wonderful off-road machine.
@@vitaly6312 everything you said literally describes the bronco the interior of the jeep has better materials than the Bronco you obviously haven't seen the bronco in person or watched reviews about the interior only good thing in the bronco is the seats everything else is really poor quality
The day of reckoning is here. Bronco is amazing. Now if the 3rd party support is where it needs to be for Bronco, Jeep look out. Jeep always has been make it your own. The history is long, and the fan base huge. I grew up around both as a kid. Now we keep Jeep honest since it isn't all theirs anymore. It needed to happen, and great times for us. Choice is now really on the table. Jeep better think out of the box on this one, as Ford will not rest or relent. New management above Jeep better see this. I am not a fan of FCA management and not sure what they have now is much better. We'll see. Ford is far from perfect too, but Bronco is here and the big guns at Ford want that 4x4 pie Jeep has had for a long time. 5 years from now? Who knows? Maybe Bronco will be King! For sure we got a fight in the dirt,and on the street, that is for sure. I love it!
I’m a die hard gearhead, just like all of you. But last fall I bought a used Chevy Bolt EV. I gotta be honest; electric is just plain better. It pains me to say it, but it’s true. Every metric is better except the noise in an EV. One pedal driving is a game changer.
So, this is a jeep where every spec is better, except noise. What’s not to like about that?
This, with a bigger battery, might be the most versatile car ever built. It’s a station wagon, it’s an off road monster, it’s a commuter, it’s also a convertible that seats 5 and their luggage, if electric it’s also a dragster.
You are by definition not a die-hard gearhead. (EDIT: OK, maybe if we distinguish with petrolhead. The die-hard gearheads of the future will probably be very different than today.)
Then again, your "but" kinda implies you yourself interpret the word against your actions. A "but" negates the "die-hard". (Unless you are actually in the hard dying phase now, hah.)
It also has 3 times the complication for a 20 mile range. Gas motor, traditional transmission, eletric motors and battery pack along with cooling system and electronics. How is this better?
@@savagegeese Let me clarify. An electric Jeep is/will be a fantastic vehicle. Yes, I agree this hybrid thing is an intermediary stage. Great to use, not so great to buy or maintain.
But let me hip you to something. This range anxiety thing is a temporary thing. Through ownership of an EV, I have found that range is a non-issue. 100 miles would be plenty, because current dc fast charging will get you another hundred in the time it takes to drop a deuce at Arby’s. You may have missed the DCFC spec on the current Taycan and upcoming Hummer - 100 miles in under 10 minutes. DCFC isnt available everywhere, but it’s a minor tweek to an existing level 2 charger.
Presenting a customer with a choice of an EV that had 300 miles of range, or one with 100 miles seems like a no-brainer…until you consider that the smaller pack will weigh 600lbs less, and cost $10,000-$15,000 less.
We see this already with Tesla and the Mache. The pricing is tiered based on battery size/range.
An all electric Wrangler with 100 miles of range would be completely amazeballs. Chrysler may fuck that up…because…you know…Chrysler. But that electric future is nothing to fear. It’s just better.
Fun fact: if you look it up, you’ll find that the Chevy Bolt econobox turd bubble is as fast 0-60 as….wait for it…1970 Hemi Cuda. Think about that for a moment. Ponder it. Chew on it.
@@Dowlphin You have a valid semantical point, my friend. It would seem that I “was” a die hard motorhead.
@@kipamore Well, being a transfomer is cool, too. 😄
I don’t find the ride busy at all in fact I think it rides very good and in someways soaks up bumps better than my new Lexus
I'd like to see the V8 reviewed.
It's not any different from the other Wranglers, aside from the 6.4L V8. Same interiors, same exterior (aside from the 392 badges), same off-road options, etc.
2:22 Damn, that white SUV was booking it.
I wish they'd go into the complexity of the engine and cooling system. You better be prepared to have all the work done by the dealership.
1:43 quicker than the - unintelligible - what did he say please? Sounded like four pop Rawling
Where's the bendpac lift segment??
Saw a guy racing 392 6.4 with one of these surprising outcome
So it's actually the ultimate mall crawler wrangler lol
IMO, the only thing jeep should do is make their options a la carte across all trim levels.
I wonder if/when ev becomes a thing. Our battery tech is like 2 million years behind where it needs to be. I figure at least hybrids will be viable for a long time, and anything for towing won't go electric since it reduces their efficiency by 3x which makes it equal to a gas engine
Aside from a Hugely inflated price tag. Stellantis I think has the potential to keep some of their V8's if they electrify the rest of their lineup. Their SUV would work pretty good for it and they could push a campaign for more electric stations.
Sticker price and sale price are two different things.
Resale and availability says they aren’t inflated prices.
...Marty, something has got to be done with the pricing... Mrs. test drove her dream Wrangler/Gladiator and walked away sad. She compared it to sitting in an airplane w/the lack of elbow/wiggle room. I also kept hitting the armrest each time I turned the wheel. We're not "Jack" sizes people, but we still didn't have much elbow/arm room and the space inside felt confining. She like the Grand Cherokee much better. Sadly, this vehicle is too much about a "lifestyle", much like designer handbag stores and not about much of anything else.
Jeep needs to offer lockers on all Wrangler versions like the Bronco does.
The oxymoron that is a solid axle plug in hybrid.
Look up "oxymoron," then erase your comment.
@@andoniades It's not an oxy, ... dude.
@@Dowlphin why are you replying to me?
@@andoniades My mistake. So many people don't click the right reply button that I stop assuming people are doing it right. - Really bothering me.
(Plus, I am getting notifications for stuff not addressed to me that I cannot turn off without turning off addressed stuff. The whole system is a total usability mess.)
@@Dowlphin it's all gud.
In fact, I thought more about the main comment and kinda understand what she's getting at.
Solid front axle vehicles have been synonymous with heavy, fuel-chugging vehicles.
Hybrids are viewed as light, fuel-sparing eco cars (eventhough some cities have hybrid buses).
So I can see how someone can view that as a paradox.
The Jeep Wrangler 4dr starts at $60k USD in my country, so this model would put it in the price range of a top model LC Prado, the Range Rover Evoque, Discovery Sport. Imagine being in the USA and paying more for this model than a Lincoln Navigator.
What’s the battery degradation if you daily charge a PHEV since the battery is tiny. A cell phone with daily charging is dead in 3 years.
Automakers tend to manage charge level much more carefully than cell phone makers. If you don't let the battery charge or discharge close to fully they last much longer.
@@markmiller3279 But with a tiny PHEV battery you are constantly charging if you drive in EV mode. Are they warrantied the same as full EVs?
I daily charge my iPhone 8 Plus. After 3 years, my battery capacity went from 100% to 99%. Toyota has a 10 year or 240,000 km battery warranty for all PHEV models sold in Canada
What, no look at the underbody? Well at least you included drone footage of the McMansions where that thing will be parked.
Now how about a Gladiator hybrid single cab with a 6 ft bed, Jeep might actually have me interested then. Oh yeah, manual windows too, saves the watts. I will sacrifice range for some heat seaters though.
I really love the idea of Jeep going toe to toe with Land Rover but transitioning faster with the Wrangler, making it what the Defender should of been. The Wagoneer could go direct with a Full Fat Range Rover … both with better EV and if (a big if) they sort quality. Here’s hoping