He didn’t need that. Krillin did nothing overall in the tournament and pretty much every fight Krillin had especially ones with the world at stake, he fought without confidence.
@@d-space1935 I challenge you to fight Frieza or Cell with confidence human. 😂 He has confidence when he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning. Which is never.
@d-space1935 I disagree He did need the confidence boost. Resurrection F is a prime example of krillin not understanding how much power he has. It also gave goku the opportunity to realize brute force wasnt the answer to the tournament. Its one of the first times in a while someone "loses" not by power but by wit, and its a welcomed change by me.
@@brayden9358 Krillin’s whole shtick, at least in DBZ, is that he’s scared out of his mind and fully aware how outclassed and underpowered he is, but he tries and contributes anyway in spite of his fear. This is why his confidence boost makes no sense. In the saiyan saga, was he confident against Nappa and Vegeta? No, but he fought anyway and was one of the key players in winning. In the namek saga, was he confident against the frieza or his men? No, but again still fought and contributed to them winning In the cell saga, again he was not confident against the androids, cell, or cell jrs., but still fought and helped to win after he screwed up. Buu saga, now he contributed the least, but not being confident that he could win, still fought Buu twice. Now, fast forward to Super and TOP where he all of a sudden NEEDS a confidence boost to be useful and contribute in a martial arts style tournament, that he basically grew up in along with Goku, for the fate of the universe. He will be up against enemies that he cannot sense their power, which should be an automatic confidence boost because he does not know for sure that he’s weaker and its a tournament with rules he’s pretty familiar with. So he goes through this confidence boost that he “needs” just to accomplish little-to-nothing, and get eliminated pretty much at the start of the tournament and commentate damn near all of it. That’s why it was pointless and stupid.
As a JoJo fan, I know what you mean. JoJo may have the most unsubtle storytelling in fictional history, but the fans still misunderstand the plot so much. I don’t get how anime fans can be so dumb.
@@MagmaSpacerthen it’s not 1 percent Considering every db character has to be millions of times below 1 percent in base to avoid destroying the planet Even by og db standards dragonball
@@sidecharacter3193 Then that makes the “perfect ki control” of Blue redundant. Truth be told there really is no reason to use Blue at all, because each form is holding back constantly then to not destroy everything.
There is almost nothing more annoying than people who complain about "Dragon Ball doesn't have any depth" but those same people can't understand something as simple as this, if you can't understand the simple parts I don't see how you could get the deeper sides of the story.
Blue requires an incredible level of ki control, enough for Goku to use precisely the amount of power he wanted to. Enough to beat Krillin, and not so much he fried his head like an egg.
If you didn't watch the show don't try to do scalling Take Mori jin for example since hecis another version of sun wukong peapole think hé is outer in truth hé is only 5d with nirvana Literlly connie from from steven universe somehow is solar system by wiki
@@gunpowdertimothy5644 bet you didn't even read the comment just went to attack me You realize this is just a conversation about fictional character if any one is deranged is you the one who couldn't even make a proper convversation and just know how to insult peapole
There's a funny youtube video about a tiger and its cub and when the cub pounces at the mother, the mother just jumps up in a flip out. It's pretty funny how much the mother over reacts just to please her child.
I have a similar complaint about the whole "tingly back" thing. The whole scene spells out how the Super Saiyan transformation works and even does later on Show that it is not just a cheatcode anyone can use, and yet it gets reduced to the smallest and most memeable part of the whole thing and now people think that's all there is to it. It's honestly frustrating and I don't like participating in conversations where that gets dropped
I fucking hate the "back tingle" complaint so much. For one, Cabba is explaining it how he feels when he's transforming to Caulifla. He wasn't saying "that's how I transform," she specifically asked him what it feels like to get an idea of it and Cabba mentions the back tingle. For two, Caulifla is the only character that uses the back tingle method to transform. Cabba still has to unlock SSJ and SSJ2 through rage, dedicating two whole episodes to both transformations, and Kale is just Broly, so she gets them built in. Caulifla is the only character who uses the back tingle, and multiple characters across the ToP arc call her a prodigy or genius of some kind. Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Roshi, Beerus, Whis, Cabba, they all have at least one line explaining that Caulifla is a fighting prodigy and extremely quick learner.
Literally, lmao. The back tingle thing isn't "good", but it's not bad, because it's explained and makes sense. And people act like Caulifla is just a random Saiyan as if she isn't stated tons of times to be built different.
Been saying this forever. The whole point is that she's a prodigy. No ordinary saying could just transform like it's nothing nearly from being told what it feels like.
@@godofthecripples1237 exactly. And cabba clearly can’t do it as easily she can, he uses by the traditional saiyan routes since he has average potential.
I can give Krillin props for being able to even beam struggle with Goku Blue. But I can also give Goku bigger props for mastering Blue so much that he can contain his power so delicately.
I really wish they would give forms to the humans. Imagine they bring back the Four Witches technique for Tien Shinhan. Krillin should get what he got in the forest where all the villains were. Yamcha should have ki claws or something.
I’m happy that I seem to be in the small percentage that does read and hear, because I see or hear what some people think or believe about things in the series and am usually just surprised by how wrong they can be. Then again dragon ball is in my top 3 autistic interests (I am autistic so I’m being genuine here) so maybe that’s why.
You can hammer a nail with a small hammer. You can also hammer a nail with a wrecking ball, though you would obviously have to hold back and conserve your energy if you don’t want to completely destroy the wood. This is the analogy that Goku is using Blue against Krillin. He can easily overpower him, yet Goku is holding back (an enormous amount I might add) so he doesn’t completely overwhelm Krillin in a single blow.
My god, I remember the online discourse when this episode dropped, and whilst the powerscalers were critiquing it as, “Super sucks because Krillin can somehow hang with SSB Goku”, and people were questioning the logistics of Goku’s Ki control, they somehow ignored the whole theme of the need for strategy and preparation for the Tournament of Power during this Recruitment Mini-Arc portion of Dragon Ball Super, and its submission to the Power of Trust in the grander narrative of the Tournament of Power Arc. HELL, to add onto Carthu’s point, SSJ Goku fights Krillin, and Krillin nearly rings Goku off the building by using the Destructo Hexa-blade to carve a hole for Goku to fall in. How? By using the solar-flare and baiting Goku to throw a Ki Blast by hiding behind some rubble, Goku is distracted and nearly falls into the hole carved by the Destructo Discs Krillin threw at the beginning of the fight, and thus, his nigh-victory against Goku is a byproduct of STRATEGY. However, Goku goes SSB, and it is reaffirmed by both Android 18 and Gohan, that Krillin, despite any trick or tactic Krillin may pull out, CANNOT defeat Goku under those circumstances in a 1v1 situation. Krillin can't win with raw power, and no fancy trick will work either. 18 reminds Gohan that this tournament is a Battle Royale, and that it's the power in numbers and teamwork that will triumph, not just strategy or raw power. Whereas strategy is thrown out almost immediately by the beginning of the Tournament of Power, to even where Goku fails to ring Jiren out with Krillin's Destructo Hexa-blade strategy later on in the T.O.P., and even the Divine battle proficiency of Mastered Ultra Instinct wasn't enough to completely overpower Jiren in raw battle capability in a 1v1 situation. It was in fact, the combined efforts of Universe 7 through Android 17, Goku, and Frieza, were they able to ring Jiren out. "So this is trust... Universe 7's power..." as Jiren calls it... and that's the whole point of this scene; it reaffirms to the viewer that its Universe 7's solidarity as a team for survival that will win the T.O.P., not domineering raw power or immaculate battle intelligence. Goku's usage of Blue is a reminder to that theme. It baffles me to how people criticize Dragon Ball Super for its simplicity and rather bland plot and progression, and although it has its fair share of issues, we also can't deny any merits it has too! They want Dragon Ball Super to be nuanced, and when it expresses even a shade of actual thematic build-up, they don't catch it, and just call it "bad writing".
These people also seem to miss the point of the tournament roster too, and think that if there’s a sequenthat leans only the strongest members be on the team aka broly vegeta goku and gohan. They miss the point that besides vegeta and goku and frieza , the rest of the team was filled with very pragmatic characters who have beaten their foes using cunning . Tien the androids Rossi and krillen. These guys don’t match power wise, but they are either tournament winners who have either won because of their cunning, like tien and roshi, has made it through tournaments cobstistenly like krillen or are just naturally pragmatic and how they have wn against stronger opponents like the androids. It’s not just about whether you can make your hair the rainbow or how much you can scream
He honestly isn't as dumb as people say he is in DBS. He honestly has more impressive moments of intelligence than not. 💀 Mainly in battle, but Goku's never been the brightest knife in the crayon box. 🤷
@@thazmania120 Ssj blue is kinda unique, cuz he has so good ki control. He can lower his power so much that it does not insta explode krillin but is enough to push him back and possibly kill him
We all know the only human that could match SSB Goku is Yamcha Edit: I can tell from the comments I’ve overlooked some incredibly powerful people. I must apologize, for I have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement
PLUS and people always forget about this SSB is all about perfect ki control which means goku can hold back even easier in SSB than in his base and hide his ki like said in the video
That, and 18 almost immediately breaks up the struggle. It in no way was meant to show Krillin was god level. But some DB fans, I swear, unless the weaker opponent is blitzed in like a raise of the other guy’s eye brows they think suddenly a character is stronger out of nowhere. It’s like they have no sense of dramatic pacing.
It would be far better if he used ssj instead. Using a godly form on this was not a good decision. They showed that goku was stronger than krillin in base several times during the arcs so why use a god form in this moment?
@@nunobatista5822 you didn't even watch this short, in which they explain that goku was in blue so krilling couldnt sense his power. It was a psychological test
@@nunobatista5822 My understanding is that Goku has much more ability to restrain his power in SSJ Blue form. It actually makes me wonder what makes plain SSJ useful anymore.
@@nealmiller7849 and what is the point? Krillin knows damn too well how powerfull goku is, it would give the same confidence bost even if he only went super sayan. Also if he could sense goku power he would fully know his limits and avoid some battles, since you know universe at risk and all that. Besides he can sense the ki of the opponents as soon as he enter the arena so there is absolutely no point to goku doing that
@@ZipplyZane thats bs, in the cell arc he trained ssj to be able to live his daily life controling his power to the point he didnt break anything by acident (aside from some glasses) and krillin despite being far weaker than goku, is still pretty strong so super sayan would be perfect to the situation
This scene was for krillin, the fact he tried his hardest for his daughter, the fact that he actually tanked a hit from ssjb full power or not that had to hurt. It showed how strong he CAN be for his loved ones, not that he would win, it was a test of his character. Krillin has faced so many people stronger than he would ever be.
That's exactly were Goku would humiliate the opponent provided no one else is watching the fight, because he would wait for the opponent to reach their full power in the fight before defeating them or for them to push his current power limit making him stronger the longer the fight lasts
I never thought they were equal, but it was implied that krillin a power shot up exponentially in those few episodes he was in that hallucination garden with goku, I’d say he’s bare minimum reached ssj3 level considering he was able to survive and trade blows with blue, regardless of its suppression, it’s an insane feat for krillin
@@tekknick. it doesn't. There you go I've dispelled your headcanon. Please stop applying flimsy logic to this scene. The Daizenshuu was not written by Toriyama. We've known this for very long and yet you people keep referencing the multipliers in them like it is gospel.
Yes! Thank you. People scale Krillin too high because of this. Krillin is awesome. He’s skilled and strong. He did not push Goku to use blue though lol. Base Goku can still overpower Krillin if he really wants to
@@CaulolProductions Yes that too. Goku didn’t have to use full power to win. He did it because they both wanted to know how close to Goku’s max strength Gohan was.
@ Wait Krillin got a powerup? I know Vegeta has ultra ego. Piccolo has orange. Gohan has beast. Haven’t heard anything about krillin keeping up with them 🤔
@@yozarian86 he staggered cell max, who is broly tier. That unironically makes krillin stronger than post-tournament golden frieza. It’s dumb but it happened. There’s no statement saying he got stronger, it’s just that one feat.
Another thing people forget is SSBlue is all about ki control, so Goku can use that form without using anywhere near the full power of it. Krillin's kamehameha was able to contend with a fraction of SSBlue's power, but it's impossible to know what that fraction is, so this feat can't really be used for scaling Krillin at all.
Bruh you can tell he’s holding back just by looking at Goku’s beam, it looks only slightly bigger then Krillins and it’s hella skinny and condensed compared to other beams he’s done
...And then they took that amazing concept of Krillin using his size and expertise to his advantage to outsmart and manuever those stronger than him and...did absolutely nothing with it! Great job Super! 👍
There is a moment during the struggle where Krillen pushes back a little and goku, for like a frame, is a little surprised. Not to say goku was completely underestimating his opponent, but it did catch him off guard. I love that moment
considering goku can control ssb's power all the way down to basically base form i imagine he was using 0.1% at first and krillin was at 0.12% and so it pushed back
Not in the manga toe animation messes up. In the dragon ball super manga Kuririn was not even close to Goku in ssj. In fact In the manga Goku only used ssj3 and cyborg 17 was not even close to that or ssj blue.
@@WopologistBC toie animation messed up Goku only used ssj3 vs cyborg 17 yet he was not even close to that. Kuririn did not spar to Goku but during his performance in top his not even close to Goku in ssj. This is a big BS i stoped watching when it hit top and continue reading manga.
Most DB fans wouldn't survive an episode of Jojo, where raising your eyebrows means a 2 minute explanation about how it's a crucial point that can change the course of a battle
@@edgargaebolg9307hah! You fool! By raising your eyebrow, you've just gave me enough time to use my secret-ultra-overpowered stand ability that makes your balls spin!! TAKE THIS! *TESTICULARR TORSION!!!*
That's just a problem with all modern media, the modern audience is stupid and as such spoon-feeding is common. You can likely compare movies in your lifetime to see this, compare for instance the prequel Star Wars films with the new Star Wars films, it is night and day the difference in subtly. Even Lord of the Rings and Rings of Power would suffice (which is funnier because RoP completely contradicts the themes Tolkien put into his work, but that's a long discussion for another time)
Nah Krillin is far beyond SSB level now, why do you think he’s bald? He trained so hard and became so powerful he became bald, is Goku bald? Quite the opposite?
I love the idea of secondary characters training with the stronger fighters to learn how to handle themselves better against stronger foes and how to atleast win the most time or find ways to wound them a bit or learn their weakness before people like goku and the like get to the battle
Honestly I still think this shows how good of a fighter krillin is, even if it doesn't put him on god tier, it shows his wits allow for changing the tides and allowing him to still get in a few power full hit
@@PalewhaleN7 If you were to be on the powerscaling community for more than a second you would realize most of them don't take VS Battle wiki as a reliable source, you shouldn't either lol
Db fans have 3 sides: first one is normal fan who don't debate but just watch and get motivated Second one is smart db fans that actually watch show and know everything about db and best scale and third side is dumb dragon ball fans who doesn't even watch their own show can't read and they say the weaker one wins because the weaker one is cooler, like accept your defeat💀
There's a 5th kind, where they mistakenly believe that DragonBall is a cohesive franchise and find a variety of ways to explain away things that don't make sense, are not well explained, or exist largely because of out-of-universe reasons.
He’s not SSB by a long shot, but imagine how much more powerful Arrogant Krillin is in another universe. His lack of confidence is his biggest weakness, & that’s literally only because he knows how much higher the ceiling goes first hand.
Even tho I can see why this would be the case. Had we had an internal monologue of goku’s thoughts it would’ve clarified a bit just how much he’s holding back. I’m aware it can diminish the idea of show, don’t tell. But sometimes it helps just to have some subtle text to show just how much power he’s really using in a vague manner
I’m surprised anyone interpreted this scene that way. Krillin himself acknowledges how utterly fucked he is. It was a battle of technique and a teaching experience more than an actual duel.
@@dragonrings14 like... not at all Goten is irrilevant to Future Trunks since a Future Goten counterpart doesn't exist. And since bonds and relationships are like farts... Forcing them would be... Ya know... Goten would be irrilevant. Goku is a much better character to do this with. Trunks knows him and Black himself presented as Goku in his first appearance (chronologically speaking)
I hate that people say "it doesn't matter because it's filler/non canon" and bro, regardless of canon or not it still makes sense how everyone says krillin doesn't have a solid chance
@leosnyder5264 it's not canon, the animes (specially super) will never be canon because it has filler, and they acknowledge that filler, making them even less canon, only the manga and Manga acknowledged products like battle of gods pre retcon, half the fnf or broly movie
@@draw_neos-5064more than filler is basically in the same continuity as the original anime/Kai. They can be both canon depending on which continuity you followed the most
@tatohayanami9156 no, that's just a theory that in fact doesn't make sense because kai is just an more manga acurrate version of the og Z anime, and super is far away from manga accuracy because it's not even being based on a manga, super's anime is as canon as dbgt, OF COURSE the anime continuity exist, but that doesn't make them canon, being "another universe/alt timeline outside verse" makes things non canon, or toriyama saying it's not canon like db online or db super anime
@@draw_neos-5064 still in the same continuity Super anime takes place in the Kai continuity Which is basically a "Toriyama cut" of the anime. Super anime still takes place there. While the Super manga takes place in the original manga continuity. Plus I don't recall Toriyama saying Super anime is not canon, just that he had some complaints about the anime. I recall even less him saying Online is not canon
However, Krillin being able to even stand against Goku for longer than a nanosecond is a genuine feat here. Goku is holding back, but he's not doing nothing either.
That's because he's familiar with how Goku fights. Remember he's fought with Goku and trained with him since they were about 13 years old. He should know how Goku fights better than anyone else
@@matti.8465 yeah but the power gap between a Goku who has kept breaking limits till reaching the power he has pre TOP and a Krillin who got in and out of training and is just way too big to make it a good fight if he didn't fight this good. Just being a good martial artist=handling fighters this more powerful should make people like Tien more important in fights. Example: Tien and (soldier who trained with Frieza in resurrection F) power gap should be a lot smaller than the one goku has with basically everybody. I'm not saying that it's a good thing, just that in pre TOP episodes they made earth fighters look WAYY stronger than they actually are.
I loved that scene for showing those two training like bros. Of course Krillin isn't at the same level but he's come so far that he can at least bear witness to ssb without getting flattened, and that's amazing enough on its own
Something else to note is that SSB is meant to hone ki control. Theoretically, he could raise or lower his power however he wanted in this form, except to the heights of Ultra Instinct. That’s why Kaioken is only possible in this form or base. It is the most controlled form.
I don't why people have so much problem with this SSB is a transformation that allows easy power control, hence why Goku can use Kaio ken with it Goku can easily lower down his power level to Krilin's level while being SSB
This same thing happened with Goku vs Gohan where everyone said it was stupid that Gohan was SSB level, but seeing him fight Toppo immediately disproved that and made it obvious Goku wasn’t going all out against him (even when Gohan asked Goku to use full strength he got one shotted)
I always thought this fight was so cool because of Krillin using the destructo disc and showing he still has great battle IQ. And then, 18 jumping in to help because the ToP you have to know someone will be there to maybe take advantage of the situation while you're fighting someone else.
I think it comes down to the fact they have a beam struggle and krillin has any ground to stand on even remotely Even if SSB Goku is holding back to a fraction of a percent of his true power, this is someone who absolute bare minimum is 50x stronger than he was when he fought beerus in the BoG’s arc, who should be several hundreds if not thousands of times stronger than just SSJ3 And here krillin is not getting immediately boomed off the planet, no matter how you try to rationalize it, it’s a very weird and illogical scene To put it into perspective, freiza in his full power final form during the namek arc has a PWLVL of 120 Mil and first form frieza has one of 530k That’s a percentage difference of 0.005< Even if Goku was holding back to the extreme he’s still outputting power that should’ve obliterated krillin on the spot using any semblance of logic and reason.
My favourite parts of DBS are almost all Goku interacting with legacy characters other than vegeta, especially krillin and gohan. Every time he does the writing quality skyrockets I stg
This is exactly why I say these people don’t know what “context” means. And what’s worse is that this ignorance appears almost everywhere with this whole series, and I don’t just mean Super. I mean *all of it.*
People only think this happened because they haven’t watched the show. This needs to be sent to rdc because mark convinced his whole audience that krillin pushed goku to blue lol.
many people dont realize blue can hold back a crazy amount, he can be in blue and have the same output as his base form. the entire point of blue is ki control its why he goes to it instantly and struglles one moment but then dominate the fight a second later
I always thought this scene was to show the idea the series always likes bring up with the strongest fighter isn’t always the winner. I don’t think Krillen won this fight but he was able to catch Goku off guard and find a few openings. Which in the context of the tournament of power makes sense because all you need is to just find one good opening and be able to knock your opponent out of the arena.
Sometimes I can’t tell if this is all intentional writing or you just being brilliant and piecing things together that are otherwise just also happening
Not only that Krillin NEEDED that confidence boost. Goku was showing his old friend that hes more formidable than hes giving himself credit for.
He didn’t need that. Krillin did nothing overall in the tournament and pretty much every fight Krillin had especially ones with the world at stake, he fought without confidence.
@@d-space1935 I challenge you to fight Frieza or Cell with confidence human. 😂 He has confidence when he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning. Which is never.
@d-space1935 I disagree He did need the confidence boost. Resurrection F is a prime example of krillin not understanding how much power he has. It also gave goku the opportunity to realize brute force wasnt the answer to the tournament. Its one of the first times in a while someone "loses" not by power but by wit, and its a welcomed change by me.
@@brayden9358 Krillin’s whole shtick, at least in DBZ, is that he’s scared out of his mind and fully aware how outclassed and underpowered he is, but he tries and contributes anyway in spite of his fear. This is why his confidence boost makes no sense.
In the saiyan saga, was he confident against Nappa and Vegeta? No, but he fought anyway and was one of the key players in winning.
In the namek saga, was he confident against the frieza or his men? No, but again still fought and contributed to them winning
In the cell saga, again he was not confident against the androids, cell, or cell jrs., but still fought and helped to win after he screwed up.
Buu saga, now he contributed the least, but not being confident that he could win, still fought Buu twice.
Now, fast forward to Super and TOP where he all of a sudden NEEDS a confidence boost to be useful and contribute in a martial arts style tournament, that he basically grew up in along with Goku, for the fate of the universe. He will be up against enemies that he cannot sense their power, which should be an automatic confidence boost because he does not know for sure that he’s weaker and its a tournament with rules he’s pretty familiar with. So he goes through this confidence boost that he “needs” just to accomplish little-to-nothing, and get eliminated pretty much at the start of the tournament and commentate damn near all of it. That’s why it was pointless and stupid.
@@d-space1935he gives him the confidence not to feel useless shut up bum or ima touch you
People complain that anime isn't subtle, but when it tries to be, it goes over so many people's heads and makes fans upset.
As a JoJo fan, I know what you mean. JoJo may have the most unsubtle storytelling in fictional history, but the fans still misunderstand the plot so much. I don’t get how anime fans can be so dumb.
He’s not super saiyan blue level, but even 1% of Goku’s power there would put Krillen over so many characters it’s insane.
@@MagmaSpacerthen it’s not 1 percent
Considering every db character has to be millions of times below 1 percent in base to avoid destroying the planet
Even by og db standards dragonball
@@sidecharacter3193 Then that makes the “perfect ki control” of Blue redundant. Truth be told there really is no reason to use Blue at all, because each form is holding back constantly then to not destroy everything.
There is almost nothing more annoying than people who complain about "Dragon Ball doesn't have any depth" but those same people can't understand something as simple as this, if you can't understand the simple parts I don't see how you could get the deeper sides of the story.
Blue requires an incredible level of ki control, enough for Goku to use precisely the amount of power he wanted to. Enough to beat Krillin, and not so much he fried his head like an egg.
Exactly people just forget the part where he explained why he can only use kaioken with blue in the anime
He could do the same in base he doesn't need to use blue just to be able to hold back that much..
He can use it in base@@DomiEE
@@Tenai_rd2 confidence boost for krillin
+ krillin can sense how much power goku is using
+ Base is probably too weak
@@aymenlahfa234 what does Krillin have to do with goku using the kaioken in base
People often completely ignore the context around feats and events when they power scale, which is why power scaling is usually stupid.
If you didn't watch the show don't try to do scalling
Take
Mori jin for example since hecis another version of sun wukong peapole think hé is outer in truth hé is only 5d with nirvana
Literlly connie from from steven universe somehow is solar system by wiki
I think we're missing the fact that there's weaker versions of ssjblue goku from other arks
@@MohamedDekkal-yy3uh”Outerversal” “5d” statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
@@gunpowdertimothy5644 bet you didn't even read the comment just went to attack me
You realize this is just a conversation about fictional character if any one is deranged is you the one who couldn't even make a proper convversation and just know how to insult peapole
most of them are just kids meat riding their favorite characters honestly
It's an adult lion acting like it hurts when a little cub bites him to raise his confidence😅
There's a funny youtube video about a tiger and its cub and when the cub pounces at the mother, the mother just jumps up in a flip out. It's pretty funny how much the mother over reacts just to please her child.
Btw, even the writer of the episode confirmed it and apologized for the confusion
What's the source tho
Source or it didn’t happen
Soucccyyy
@@2-bit567 RUclips somehow doesn't let me post links
@@Eric6761 put in bio
Nah Goku actually extended 10 years on Krillin's marriage gotta respect that.
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Nah facts you just know 18 came up off some that night
18 cheating on Krillin is never gonn happen. Keep your p### fantasies to yaself 😂
@@amrex6062lol
nah 18 simps for krillin, theyre locked in for life
Don’t fuck with Dragonball fans, we’ve never seen our own show.
We only watch edited youtube clips
Fr bro I love dragon ball
( I haven't seen a single episode)
@@evaangames3280 Dragon Ball is my favorite manga! (I haven't read a single page)
@@errorstudioz Dragon Ball Is my favourite franchise ( Never heard of them )
@@Ratatouilleskydragon ball gt is my favourite series(ya know what it means)
I have a similar complaint about the whole "tingly back" thing. The whole scene spells out how the Super Saiyan transformation works and even does later on Show that it is not just a cheatcode anyone can use, and yet it gets reduced to the smallest and most memeable part of the whole thing and now people think that's all there is to it.
It's honestly frustrating and I don't like participating in conversations where that gets dropped
what are you talking about
I fucking hate the "back tingle" complaint so much. For one, Cabba is explaining it how he feels when he's transforming to Caulifla. He wasn't saying "that's how I transform," she specifically asked him what it feels like to get an idea of it and Cabba mentions the back tingle.
For two, Caulifla is the only character that uses the back tingle method to transform. Cabba still has to unlock SSJ and SSJ2 through rage, dedicating two whole episodes to both transformations, and Kale is just Broly, so she gets them built in. Caulifla is the only character who uses the back tingle, and multiple characters across the ToP arc call her a prodigy or genius of some kind. Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Roshi, Beerus, Whis, Cabba, they all have at least one line explaining that Caulifla is a fighting prodigy and extremely quick learner.
Literally, lmao. The back tingle thing isn't "good", but it's not bad, because it's explained and makes sense. And people act like Caulifla is just a random Saiyan as if she isn't stated tons of times to be built different.
Been saying this forever. The whole point is that she's a prodigy. No ordinary saying could just transform like it's nothing nearly from being told what it feels like.
@@godofthecripples1237 exactly. And cabba clearly can’t do it as easily she can, he uses by the traditional saiyan routes since he has average potential.
I can give Krillin props for being able to even beam struggle with Goku Blue.
But I can also give Goku bigger props for mastering Blue so much that he can contain his power so delicately.
“Work hard, study well and eat and sleep plenty! That is the Turtle Hermit way!”
Dodge bees and retrieve girly magazines for your master. That too.
Don’t forget push-ups, sit-ups and plenty of juice.
Play well also
@@Tatertots_yummy not juice, senzu beans
@@MOTIVATED___ U don't get it do you
If Krillin could have a form that matches SSB, I like to imagine nothing would change except the colors of the dots on his forehead
Lol. Avatar state.
He grows a nose.
The dots tilt 45 degrees
I really wish they would give forms to the humans. Imagine they bring back the Four Witches technique for Tien Shinhan. Krillin should get what he got in the forest where all the villains were. Yamcha should have ki claws or something.
@@zer0stars give Krillin a form called Hyper Human
Dragon Ball fans apparently not only can’t read but they also can’t hear either. 🤣
Western ones because I never have this problem
Bro some people actually think Kid Buu is stronger then ssj3 goku
in other words, they lack media literacy aka the sky is blue
I’m happy that I seem to be in the small percentage that does read and hear, because I see or hear what some people think or believe about things in the series and am usually just surprised by how wrong they can be. Then again dragon ball is in my top 3 autistic interests (I am autistic so I’m being genuine here) so maybe that’s why.
How dumb is the dragonball community
The "Dragon Ball fans can't read" meme has continuously been shown to be the entire communities' kryptonite.
i thought that was a jujutsu kaisen thing that's funny
I feel dumb calling myself a dbz fan at this point because the fanbase cant read
You can hammer a nail with a small hammer. You can also hammer a nail with a wrecking ball, though you would obviously have to hold back and conserve your energy if you don’t want to completely destroy the wood. This is the analogy that Goku is using Blue against Krillin. He can easily overpower him, yet Goku is holding back (an enormous amount I might add) so he doesn’t completely overwhelm Krillin in a single blow.
My god, I remember the online discourse when this episode dropped, and whilst the powerscalers were critiquing it as, “Super sucks because Krillin can somehow hang with SSB Goku”, and people were questioning the logistics of Goku’s Ki control, they somehow ignored the whole theme of the need for strategy and preparation for the Tournament of Power during this Recruitment Mini-Arc portion of Dragon Ball Super, and its submission to the Power of Trust in the grander narrative of the Tournament of Power Arc.
HELL, to add onto Carthu’s point, SSJ Goku fights Krillin, and Krillin nearly rings Goku off the building by using the Destructo Hexa-blade to carve a hole for Goku to fall in. How? By using the solar-flare and baiting Goku to throw a Ki Blast by hiding behind some rubble, Goku is distracted and nearly falls into the hole carved by the Destructo Discs Krillin threw at the beginning of the fight, and thus, his nigh-victory against Goku is a byproduct of STRATEGY.
However, Goku goes SSB, and it is reaffirmed by both Android 18 and Gohan, that Krillin, despite any trick or tactic Krillin may pull out, CANNOT defeat Goku under those circumstances in a 1v1 situation. Krillin can't win with raw power, and no fancy trick will work either. 18 reminds Gohan that this tournament is a Battle Royale, and that it's the power in numbers and teamwork that will triumph, not just strategy or raw power. Whereas strategy is thrown out almost immediately by the beginning of the Tournament of Power, to even where Goku fails to ring Jiren out with Krillin's Destructo Hexa-blade strategy later on in the T.O.P., and even the Divine battle proficiency of Mastered Ultra Instinct wasn't enough to completely overpower Jiren in raw battle capability in a 1v1 situation. It was in fact, the combined efforts of Universe 7 through Android 17, Goku, and Frieza, were they able to ring Jiren out. "So this is trust... Universe 7's power..." as Jiren calls it... and that's the whole point of this scene; it reaffirms to the viewer that its Universe 7's solidarity as a team for survival that will win the T.O.P., not domineering raw power or immaculate battle intelligence. Goku's usage of Blue is a reminder to that theme.
It baffles me to how people criticize Dragon Ball Super for its simplicity and rather bland plot and progression, and although it has its fair share of issues, we also can't deny any merits it has too! They want Dragon Ball Super to be nuanced, and when it expresses even a shade of actual thematic build-up, they don't catch it, and just call it "bad writing".
These people also seem to miss the point of the tournament roster too, and think that if there’s a sequenthat leans only the strongest members be on the team aka broly vegeta goku and gohan. They miss the point that besides vegeta and goku and frieza , the rest of the team was filled with very pragmatic characters who have beaten their foes using cunning . Tien the androids Rossi and krillen. These guys don’t match power wise, but they are either tournament winners who have either won because of their cunning, like tien and roshi, has made it through tournaments cobstistenly like krillen or are just naturally pragmatic and how they have wn against stronger opponents like the androids. It’s not just about whether you can make your hair the rainbow or how much you can scream
Ita just boner policing. Anything that doesn't give them an anime boner is bad and anything that does is good.
Yeah but that "short beam struggle" makes no sense when Krillin should've been vaporized.
@@Michywtw goku was allowing krillen to hold it
Facts it takes "Dragon Ball fans not watching their own show" to an entirely different level
That was actually smart never expected goku to think that smart
He can be smart from time to time.
He honestly isn't as dumb as people say he is in DBS. He honestly has more impressive moments of intelligence than not. 💀
Mainly in battle, but Goku's never been the brightest knife in the crayon box. 🤷
Wdym? He's always had a good battle IQ. It's his book smarts that's lacking.
@@DaYapGuy his battle iq is LEAGUE’S above his regular iq
@@BCCSquidward the brightest knife in the crayon box 🤣
I mean by marrying Android 18 our boy Krillin indeed has that SSB level rizz.
“For you see, Android 18, you’re not dealing with the average Rizzler anymore… I have trespassed into the domain of the gods to rizz you up!”
@@legoverse1412I was having a good day
@@CONxTOR I’m sorry
@@CONxTORand this comment made your day better
I'm pretty sure Krillin used the dragon balls to wish that 18 marry him.
Goku is a true ride or die bro made his homie look cold infront of his ting and extended bros marriage
The whole point was that krillin had PTSD and they were psyching bro up. Shit went hard
Perfect.Ki.Control.
Just using god ki
I don't care, the power multiplier is so high Krillin should just become dust being around Goku's aura 😐
@@thazmania120 Ssj blue is kinda unique, cuz he has so good ki control. He can lower his power so much that it does not insta explode krillin but is enough to push him back and possibly kill him
@@thazmania120 if it was like that the whole universe would be gone on the battle of Gods saga with SSG Goku and Beerus fighting.
fr his Ki Control is god tier level
We all know the only human that could match SSB Goku is Yamcha
Edit: I can tell from the comments I’ve overlooked some incredibly powerful people. I must apologize, for I have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement
Nah mr. Satan solos Yamcha, MUI Goku and even Jeki Chun
@@potcastundefined chi chi solos everyone
and chichi, master roshi and bulma
So yall forgot monkaka exists, huh.
Nahh farmer with a shotgun
Carthu debunking a misconception like always
If anything he rivals god and ssj3 because no matter how much goku holds back he still stronger in blue then god or other ssj forms
Couldn’t have explained it better. All the feelings I had about the scene, you put them into words.
PLUS and people always forget about this SSB is all about perfect ki control which means goku can hold back even easier in SSB than in his base and hide his ki like said in the video
Thanks for making this video. People out here really think just because a character transforms mean they can't handle their opponent in base
That, and 18 almost immediately breaks up the struggle. It in no way was meant to show Krillin was god level. But some DB fans, I swear, unless the weaker opponent is blitzed in like a raise of the other guy’s eye brows they think suddenly a character is stronger out of nowhere.
It’s like they have no sense of dramatic pacing.
It would be far better if he used ssj instead. Using a godly form on this was not a good decision.
They showed that goku was stronger than krillin in base several times during the arcs so why use a god form in this moment?
@@nunobatista5822 you didn't even watch this short, in which they explain that goku was in blue so krilling couldnt sense his power. It was a psychological test
@@nunobatista5822 My understanding is that Goku has much more ability to restrain his power in SSJ Blue form.
It actually makes me wonder what makes plain SSJ useful anymore.
@@nealmiller7849 and what is the point? Krillin knows damn too well how powerfull goku is, it would give the same confidence bost even if he only went super sayan. Also if he could sense goku power he would fully know his limits and avoid some battles, since you know universe at risk and all that.
Besides he can sense the ki of the opponents as soon as he enter the arena so there is absolutely no point to goku doing that
@@ZipplyZane thats bs, in the cell arc he trained ssj to be able to live his daily life controling his power to the point he didnt break anything by acident (aside from some glasses) and krillin despite being far weaker than goku, is still pretty strong so super sayan would be perfect to the situation
People really gotta stop over looking the simplest things
This scene was for krillin, the fact he tried his hardest for his daughter, the fact that he actually tanked a hit from ssjb full power or not that had to hurt.
It showed how strong he CAN be for his loved ones, not that he would win, it was a test of his character. Krillin has faced so many people stronger than he would ever be.
Krillin is super sayian bald lol
Although krillin cant handle goku on his full power, there is someone who he managed to bag who can💀
Strategy and Teamwork 👁👄👁
That's exactly were Goku would humiliate the opponent provided no one else is watching the fight, because he would wait for the opponent to reach their full power in the fight before defeating them or for them to push his current power limit making him stronger the longer the fight lasts
Do they not realsing that Krillin got eliminated by opponents that aren't rivalling SSB Goku💀💀
Krillin is weaker than ssj2 cabba😂
Krillin let his guard down and got wasted while taunting the enemy. I guarantee you he tbaggin every kill in FPS online.
@@Robust311
Who's on par with SSJ2 Vegeta. So yeah, Krillin's weaker than him.
@@Robust311 he is weaker than base cabba
@@pujanpyakurel2898 fr
THANKKK YOUUU FINALLY SOMEONE IS MAKING SENSE!!!
FACTS
Another excellent take from Carthu.
I never thought they were equal, but it was implied that krillin a power shot up exponentially in those few episodes he was in that hallucination garden with goku, I’d say he’s bare minimum reached ssj3 level considering he was able to survive and trade blows with blue, regardless of its suppression, it’s an insane feat for krillin
He's Base Goku level
Goku really put 1% of his power to the test
Less then 1%. Or you think, that Krillin was two times weaker, than SSG Goku (TOP)?
1% is a overstatement
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р ssgod is not that weaker compared to blue
@@valentds I'm pretty sure it's 50x stronger. At least if it works like normal ssj
@@tekknick. it doesn't. There you go I've dispelled your headcanon. Please stop applying flimsy logic to this scene. The Daizenshuu was not written by Toriyama. We've known this for very long and yet you people keep referencing the multipliers in them like it is gospel.
Yes! Thank you. People scale Krillin too high because of this. Krillin is awesome. He’s skilled and strong. He did not push Goku to use blue though lol. Base Goku can still overpower Krillin if he really wants to
Basically same situation to gohan vs goku
@@CaulolProductions Yes that too. Goku didn’t have to use full power to win. He did it because they both wanted to know how close to Goku’s max strength Gohan was.
Current Krillin washes Base Goku but I agree TOP Krillin is weaker
@ Wait Krillin got a powerup? I know Vegeta has ultra ego. Piccolo has orange. Gohan has beast. Haven’t heard anything about krillin keeping up with them 🤔
@@yozarian86 he staggered cell max, who is broly tier. That unironically makes krillin stronger than post-tournament golden frieza. It’s dumb but it happened. There’s no statement saying he got stronger, it’s just that one feat.
When I saw that people were somehow misinterpreting this scene as Krillin being SSB level, it made me realize just how dumb Dragon Ball fans can be.
So that means krillen should handle piccolo easily 😂😂😂
@@strawhats0823 the show never said that, you are stupid
To give him a wee bit of credit, he did hold back a ssb goku beam that was being held back so that’s gotta count for something 😂😂😂
Another thing people forget is SSBlue is all about ki control, so Goku can use that form without using anywhere near the full power of it. Krillin's kamehameha was able to contend with a fraction of SSBlue's power, but it's impossible to know what that fraction is, so this feat can't really be used for scaling Krillin at all.
*”I am Krillin it today!”*
Frost: 😈
Bruh you can tell he’s holding back just by looking at Goku’s beam, it looks only slightly bigger then Krillins and it’s hella skinny and condensed compared to other beams he’s done
What if Krillin was BETRAYED and TRAPPED in the HYPERBLOIC TIME CHAMBER
He would either die or nothing would happen
Thank you so much for explaining this, especially since most dbz fans don't know how to actually read
...And then they took that amazing concept of Krillin using his size and expertise to his advantage to outsmart and manuever those stronger than him and...did absolutely nothing with it! Great job Super! 👍
There is a moment during the struggle where Krillen pushes back a little and goku, for like a frame, is a little surprised. Not to say goku was completely underestimating his opponent, but it did catch him off guard. I love that moment
I'd also be surprised if an ant suddenly threw a pebble at me
considering goku can control ssb's power all the way down to basically base form i imagine he was using 0.1% at first and krillin was at 0.12% and so it pushed back
@@dankerbellnot how it works even if he’s holding back in blue it’s still stronger than god and ssj3
Not in the manga toe animation messes up. In the dragon ball super manga Kuririn was not even close to Goku in ssj. In fact In the manga Goku only used ssj3 and cyborg 17 was not even close to that or ssj blue.
@@WopologistBC toie animation messed up Goku only used ssj3 vs cyborg 17 yet he was not even close to that. Kuririn did not spar to Goku but during his performance in top his not even close to Goku in ssj. This is a big BS i stoped watching when it hit top and continue reading manga.
Fans: “STOP MOUTH FEEDING US INFORMATION!”
DBS: *tries to be more subtle*
Fans: “I’M SO CONFUSED!”
DB fans in a nutshell
Most DB fans wouldn't survive an episode of Jojo, where raising your eyebrows means a 2 minute explanation about how it's a crucial point that can change the course of a battle
@@edgargaebolg9307hah! You fool! By raising your eyebrow, you've just gave me enough time to use my secret-ultra-overpowered stand ability that makes your balls spin!!
TAKE THIS! *TESTICULARR TORSION!!!*
@@edgargaebolg9307 I'm a fan of both anime, LOL
That's just a problem with all modern media, the modern audience is stupid and as such spoon-feeding is common.
You can likely compare movies in your lifetime to see this, compare for instance the prequel Star Wars films with the new Star Wars films, it is night and day the difference in subtly.
Even Lord of the Rings and Rings of Power would suffice (which is funnier because RoP completely contradicts the themes Tolkien put into his work, but that's a long discussion for another time)
I still think it looks kind of stupid. Dont like how often SSJ Blue was used
I'd like them to do the gag where Krillin lacking a nose gives him a unique advantage against a more powerful enemy again.
I never actually realized why he was using super Saiyan blue I keep forgetting that the god mode apparently can't be sent by people without God Modes
Dude made an android fall in love for him. Dude is already a legend. Better than any Saiyan so far.
Nah Krillin is far beyond SSB level now, why do you think he’s bald? He trained so hard and became so powerful he became bald, is Goku bald? Quite the opposite?
I love the idea of secondary characters training with the stronger fighters to learn how to handle themselves better against stronger foes and how to atleast win the most time or find ways to wound them a bit or learn their weakness before people like goku and the like get to the battle
Honestly I still think this shows how good of a fighter krillin is, even if it doesn't put him on god tier, it shows his wits allow for changing the tides and allowing him to still get in a few power full hit
Meanwhile Goku, in his BASE FORM, punches Krillin in the face and Krillin is sent flying like 10 miles, through buildings and boulders.
That was after battle of gods not in the top
@@kaidenjohnson2624 point still stands
that did not happen in the same arc lmao
@@Geetz7 so, you're telling that Krilin somehow got stronger in like 1 year?
@@Eric6761 That's not what I'm saying, all I said was that it didn't happen in the same arc, can you read?
Powerscalers ain’t gonna like this one
Not really...
I'm a Power Scaler, and I always knew that since the episode aired.
Why would they hate it lol? If anything they would agree with this
@@bup2810vs battle wiki thinks krillin is multiversal cuz he matched ssj goku💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@PalewhaleN7 If you were to be on the powerscaling community for more than a second you would realize most of them don't take VS Battle wiki as a reliable source, you shouldn't either lol
Db fans have 3 sides: first one is normal fan who don't debate but just watch and get motivated
Second one is smart db fans that actually watch show and know everything about db and best scale and third side is dumb dragon ball fans who doesn't even watch their own show can't read and they say the weaker one wins because the weaker one is cooler, like accept your defeat💀
Too bad, almost 80% of the fandom is the 3rd one.
@@HeyItsMeGoku-wh4fn yeah unfortunately especially the ones who underestimate power of crimson masked Saiyan, they think mui Goku is enough for him
There's a 5th kind, where they mistakenly believe that DragonBall is a cohesive franchise and find a variety of ways to explain away things that don't make sense, are not well explained, or exist largely because of out-of-universe reasons.
@@CypherGokuBlackcrimson masked saiyon??? Sdbh?
He’s not SSB by a long shot, but imagine how much more powerful Arrogant Krillin is in another universe. His lack of confidence is his biggest weakness, & that’s literally only because he knows how much higher the ceiling goes first hand.
Even tho I can see why this would be the case. Had we had an internal monologue of goku’s thoughts it would’ve clarified a bit just how much he’s holding back.
I’m aware it can diminish the idea of show, don’t tell. But sometimes it helps just to have some subtle text to show just how much power he’s really using in a vague manner
I’m surprised anyone interpreted this scene that way. Krillin himself acknowledges how utterly fucked he is. It was a battle of technique and a teaching experience more than an actual duel.
Leave it to the fanbase to make dumb statements and theories such as Goku Black is actually Goten gone evil
They just prove Zamasu wasn't that wrong
@@tatohayanami9156I love the implication that zamasu may have really just hated deranged power scalers. Most relatable villain
@@lordlittletoeq8537 the fun fact is that according to Toriyama, "immortality was the key" for Zamasu being so broken.
He will never take that PS BS
Damn it. Evil Future Goten would have been so much better than some Kai Ginyu-ing Goku's body.
@@dragonrings14 like... not at all
Goten is irrilevant to Future Trunks since a Future Goten counterpart doesn't exist.
And since bonds and relationships are like farts... Forcing them would be... Ya know...
Goten would be irrilevant. Goku is a much better character to do this with. Trunks knows him and Black himself presented as Goku in his first appearance (chronologically speaking)
I hate that people say "it doesn't matter because it's filler/non canon" and bro, regardless of canon or not it still makes sense how everyone says krillin doesn't have a solid chance
It's canon arika said both Re can do anyone we go says it's not id insulting him
@leosnyder5264 it's not canon, the animes (specially super) will never be canon because it has filler, and they acknowledge that filler, making them even less canon, only the manga and Manga acknowledged products like battle of gods pre retcon, half the fnf or broly movie
@@draw_neos-5064more than filler is basically in the same continuity as the original anime/Kai.
They can be both canon depending on which continuity you followed the most
@tatohayanami9156 no, that's just a theory that in fact doesn't make sense because kai is just an more manga acurrate version of the og Z anime, and super is far away from manga accuracy because it's not even being based on a manga, super's anime is as canon as dbgt, OF COURSE the anime continuity exist, but that doesn't make them canon, being "another universe/alt timeline outside verse" makes things non canon, or toriyama saying it's not canon like db online or db super anime
@@draw_neos-5064 still in the same continuity
Super anime takes place in the Kai continuity
Which is basically a "Toriyama cut" of the anime. Super anime still takes place there.
While the Super manga takes place in the original manga continuity.
Plus I don't recall Toriyama saying Super anime is not canon, just that he had some complaints about the anime.
I recall even less him saying Online is not canon
Doesn't equal he can just manage.
However, Krillin being able to even stand against Goku for longer than a nanosecond is a genuine feat here. Goku is holding back, but he's not doing nothing either.
Ok, but he did exceptionally good in this fight anyway
Because a good martial artist can handle a fight with someone stronger, at least to an extent.
That's because he's familiar with how Goku fights. Remember he's fought with Goku and trained with him since they were about 13 years old. He should know how Goku fights better than anyone else
@@matti.8465 yeah but the power gap between a Goku who has kept breaking limits till reaching the power he has pre TOP and a Krillin who got in and out of training and is just way too big to make it a good fight if he didn't fight this good. Just being a good martial artist=handling fighters this more powerful should make people like Tien more important in fights. Example: Tien and (soldier who trained with Frieza in resurrection F) power gap should be a lot smaller than the one goku has with basically everybody.
I'm not saying that it's a good thing, just that in pre TOP episodes they made earth fighters look WAYY stronger than they actually are.
@@crestofhonor2349 and that's why he will forever be his best friend
And he also wanted krillin to look good infront of 18
W wing man right there
Krillon couldn't even handle base Goku with a turtle costume on 💀
bro be expecting Dragon ball fans to have a brain
I loved that scene for showing those two training like bros. Of course Krillin isn't at the same level but he's come so far that he can at least bear witness to ssb without getting flattened, and that's amazing enough on its own
Ah yes, coughing baby vs nuclear bomb but the nuclear bomb is holding back.
(It’s still stupid)
Did you even watch the short bruh
Krillin really holding back….doesn’t want to hurt Goku’s ego
still, krillin destroys saitama
Saitama destroys db verse, cope
@@HandlesbarMr. Satan solo
@@altereus. Saitama neg diffs Zeno and the entire superverse with a literal fart.
Time to get over it.
Krilin actually did unlock his potential when they went into the forest and passed the test and gained all that power
Krillin power level is 70k bro stop glazing
Something else to note is that SSB is meant to hone ki control. Theoretically, he could raise or lower his power however he wanted in this form, except to the heights of Ultra Instinct.
That’s why Kaioken is only possible in this form or base. It is the most controlled form.
Dragon Ball Fans: Yamaha Is Just as Strong As Ultra Instinct Goku?
Maybe Ducati can beat Black Freeza
And krillin reminded goku that this is a team battle😂😅
Goku was holding back or Krillin would've just went 🕊 in the sky man
Finally, a short that doesn't loop
I don't why people have so much problem with this
SSB is a transformation that allows easy power control, hence why Goku can use Kaio ken with it
Goku can easily lower down his power level to Krilin's level while being SSB
You can't fight db fans, They don't watch their own "favourite" anime
This same thing happened with Goku vs Gohan where everyone said it was stupid that Gohan was SSB level, but seeing him fight Toppo immediately disproved that and made it obvious Goku wasn’t going all out against him (even when Gohan asked Goku to use full strength he got one shotted)
Nice explanation 😮
Goku was holding back more than I do my anger in family friendly dc servers 💀
This is the difference between fans and enjoyers. Enjoyers noticed it, fans ignored it.
I always thought this fight was so cool because of Krillin using the destructo disc and showing he still has great battle IQ. And then, 18 jumping in to help because the ToP you have to know someone will be there to maybe take advantage of the situation while you're fighting someone else.
If that was Vegeta krilin was fighting. He'd be devoid of confidence afterwards
The ENTIRE powerscaling is crazy asf
I think it comes down to the fact they have a beam struggle and krillin has any ground to stand on even remotely
Even if SSB Goku is holding back to a fraction of a percent of his true power, this is someone who absolute bare minimum is 50x stronger than he was when he fought beerus in the BoG’s arc, who should be several hundreds if not thousands of times stronger than just SSJ3
And here krillin is not getting immediately boomed off the planet, no matter how you try to rationalize it, it’s a very weird and illogical scene
To put it into perspective, freiza in his full power final form during the namek arc has a PWLVL of 120 Mil and first form frieza has one of 530k
That’s a percentage difference of 0.005<
Even if Goku was holding back to the extreme he’s still outputting power that should’ve obliterated krillin on the spot using any semblance of logic and reason.
My favourite parts of DBS are almost all Goku interacting with legacy characters other than vegeta, especially krillin and gohan. Every time he does the writing quality skyrockets I stg
This is exactly why I say these people don’t know what “context” means. And what’s worse is that this ignorance appears almost everywhere with this whole series, and I don’t just mean Super. I mean *all of it.*
People only think this happened because they haven’t watched the show. This needs to be sent to rdc because mark convinced his whole audience that krillin pushed goku to blue lol.
Best explanation I've heard so far!
many people dont realize blue can hold back a crazy amount, he can be in blue and have the same output as his base form. the entire point of blue is ki control its why he goes to it instantly and struglles one moment but then dominate the fight a second later
I always thought this scene was to show the idea the series always likes bring up with the strongest fighter isn’t always the winner. I don’t think Krillen won this fight but he was able to catch Goku off guard and find a few openings. Which in the context of the tournament of power makes sense because all you need is to just find one good opening and be able to knock your opponent out of the arena.
If anything Goku going blue yet holding back can give Krillin a slight confidence boost.
Thank you I get so sick and tired of arguing with people over this
Super sayian blue is a multiplayer but Goku mainly uses it for ki control which definitely helps him not unalive Krillin
You'd have to be completely brain dead and not have watched the Super Saiyan power creep in Z at all to think this.
Sometimes I can’t tell if this is all intentional writing or you just being brilliant and piecing things together that are otherwise just also happening
Goku was just extending krillins marriage bro 😂