I swear, Yamcha took _one_ L and the entire fanbase started clowning on him. Meanwhile Vegeta gets whooped in every appearance and yet people still think he's him.
@@philw3039 okay fine he got beaten a few times beforehand but i swear to god no one on planet earth is ever letting him live down the saibaman incident
A few? Bro got killed by doctor gero, got destroyed by turles and got her girl stolen + his useless friend is a cat that got touched by an old man @@SenyiKimmo
No wonder they chose to use Chiaotzu as the twist villain for that one Yamcha gag manga. Bro literally barely exists in the story and is only known for taking Ls.
@@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad No? He died multiple times trying to be a good guy Chiaotzu, and then decided to switch to villainy in hopes of, you know, not dying this time. Pretty normal cycle for a human trapped in a time loop.
Which makes Sparking Zero's What-Ifs surprisingly intriguing, because Chiaotzu gets one of the bigger increases to usefulness. Krillin gets a slight boost, as he proves instrumental in defeating Radditz and Vegeta, but was already pretty useful. Tien gets a slight downgrade, since his late-Android feats don't occur, but he's a present, relevant fighter through Frieza Saga. Yamcha gets the same boost as Tien, which does a little more in his case since his biggest feats post-Saiyan arc are not dying immediately to a Cell Jr and hyping up Krillin to lil' Marron. (Not much, but at least it helps reinforce that, at heart, Yamcha's a friendly guy who just shows some occasional unearned bravado for the sake of keeping spirits up.)
Launch did more than Chaiotzu. She helped get rid of the Red Ribbon army and saved everyone when they were tied up as the time bomb was ticking. Without her most of the main characters would be dead. Then she flies off and disappears. However she is still useful because without her we don't have any story after that!
Keep in mind that when Yamcha was attacked by Dr Gero, it was because his training had actually backfired - his power had risen so much he was mistaken for Goku (from an earlier arc, but still)
@@guillaumejoop6437Not quite. Yamcha was mistaken for how powerful Dr. Gero projected Goku to be based off his scout flies. Meaning, if Goku never went to Namek and didn’t train with advance knowledge of the androids arriving, Dr. Gero thought he’d be that strong. So it’s actually super impressive that Yamcha was a little stronger than Saiyan Saga Goku as a mere human.
@@danielbrown001That is really impressive. He also fought Moro's escapees and he looked cool. I wonder how strong he is now. I hope these human characters also get that grass roshi eats to stay immortal so they get to shine sometime.
The problem is also that Geros power was so great Yamcha got hit by a oneshot grab before he could react. I doubt that Gero this loser could have beaten any martial artist near the same powerlevel. And Piccolo was above Gero in power and look how Piccolo dispatched of him when Gero could not use the oneshot-grab on him.
just wanna be super clear I'm talking about prominent characters in the story! characters a casual fan would remember the name of. there are plenty of "useless" background or side characters. hope you all enjoyed the video :)
I like to think that the unseen forever training Chiaotzu shows up to kill Frieza Black at the end of the arc as a 6’8” monster after finally hitting his growth spurt in his late 30’s.
He had his uses, but I don't think it's a hit take to suggest he fell way off the power curve by Z. Doesn't mean he's useless. He's still a top 3 human after all. Just that his uses are not gonna be on-screen against galaxy busters.
@@jersont.3339 so you didn't watch dragon ball z because if you watch the namek saga yamcha one shotted recoome a character that broke gohan's neck almost ending his life so NO yamcha at that point was WAY stronger than gohan AND vegeta during that point.
@@ezanawright7971 the very same people be having their lotion and tissue at the ready for vegeta knowing that he lost WAY more fights than yamcha, the fanbase is SUPER delusional and fraudulent.
Yajirobe cutting off Vegeta's tail is one of my favorite moments in Dragon Ball altogether. Considering Mr. Satan singlehandedly stopping Buu by befriending him is my favorite, it seems big moments for unlikely characters strike a chord with me.
What's weird is Puar is often separated from Yamcha, we don't need Puar to show up all the time with him, but when it comes to Tien, Chiaotzu is glued to him. You'd think they'd come up with some kind of strategy to fight together, like use his telekinesis beyond the one time it didn't work. But no, this strange child in his 30's just kind of hangs around, like a toddler dragged to their parent's events.
Not only that. Tien always drags chiotzu with him only for tien to immediately send him home because its too dangerous. Which is complete bullshit because he can just be brought back
nah but fr how old is bro ? cause everyone treats him like a kid and in super he is always seen playing with maron and trunks and goten but isnt he literally older than goku ?
@@theAlex2577 Goku was born in either Age 734 or 737 depending on what continuity you're using. Chiaotzu was born in Age 738. So, at a minimum, Goku is 1 year older. But Goku was also dead for 8 years while Chiaotzu was dead for only 1 year.
@@jairusjackson7799From established lore in Z like the S-cells. It makes sense that the newer generation of kind-hearted hybrid saiyans would have a ton of potential.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 Again, I repeat plot armor at work. Saying it's just in their blood is faaar less interesting then seeing them work for it, struggle, grow and push themselves to achieve it. Pan is just born strong, so are Goten and Trunks, where is the journey? It's lazy writing nothing else, they even forgot to give them tails!
@@KingReece-re8mx but he didn't cheat her tho its confirmed in dragon ball z kakarot like bulma statement about him would be true if we see yamcha filtering with other girls
Let’s not forget Tien’s MOST important contribution, the blinding move he used against Goku, without this, Krillin would’ve died in the maze on Namek to Frieza
2:55 BTW Vegeta didn't actually call Bulma a "bothersome human slave", it's a translation error. He's actually saying "You're in the way of my training". The translator mistook "Torēningu"(Training) for "Dorei Ningen"(Human Slave)
@@Freekymoho They probably thought it fit the "cold blooded" nature of Vegeta at the time, this scene takes place early on in Vegeta's character. It's honestly a dumb mistake. The episode is 124 of DBZ, around timestamp 12:27. You can listen for "Torēningu" yourself, but it's further backed up by Bulma asking Vegeta "How is this training?"(Nani ga torēningu yo?)
@@thegino64 Exactly. And people dunk on Yamcha for “losing” when he actually won! If it wasn’t for that Saibaman playing dead, people would actually respect my man Yamcha. It says something that he didn’t get respect until the isekai spin off manga
@@wolfherojohnson2766 I dont know if “respect” would be the right thing to say, since if you take away the saibaman death thing… well nice, you took away 1 loss out of all his other loses(altho being the most popular one). He’d just be seen as less of a joke.
Honestly I could tottaly see this stuff, where one of the main secondary characters never speak with main protagonists being an actual thing in many works, we just Don't paying attention to it.
If only everyone had listened to Chi-Chi, Gohan could have cured the heart virus as a ~8-9 year old thus preventing the entire Jinzoningen crisis (maybe?)
His academic progress could have impressed dr gero so much he wouldn't have built the androids but instead become Gohans academic advisor. Win without fighting Super Valedictorian galaxy brain transformation!
In DBS filler, Chiaotzu is able to very breifly hold a base Goku back with telekinesis after the Universe 6 Tournament, and in the Moro saga, he is the one that helps Tien defeat the Megetta like prisoner with insults. Still totally useless but those are some minor feats for him.
@@juicyeboi9006wrong he was able to fight olibuu after he got stronger and olibuu gave pikkon some trouble and pikkon beat cell Meaning at worst(massive downplay)he is stronger than perfect cell or more accurately he is much stronger than super perfect cell
its the cameraman, never dies, immune to fucking everything, travels everywhere in an instant, maintains low presence and so much more. But never does shit even when the entirety of reality and time itself is in danger
@@Gloomdrake False, Cameraman is a omni-being in dbz universe, but a human in this universe, also known as Akira Toriyama, he can make anything happen on his will and anytime
@@jalanstudio2465 not technically. Ideally, the events that occur have to adhere to prior characterization, and follow a clear cause and effect. That these rules aren't always followed is a clear testament to the power Toriyama wielded, but abusing the power like that carries severe consequences for the integrity of the narrative. Toriyama could have, in theory, just blinked the Dragon Ball multiverse out existence, instantly annihilating every creature within, but in practice he couldn't do that, because the people would riot
All jokes aside, you make an interesting point... if dbz events happened in our world, RUclips would literally be plastering misinformation pop-ups for anyone claiming Mr. Satan *wasn't* the one who defeated Cell. Amusing and yet unsettling thought...
Exactly! He exploded without a trace on impact. That’s why it’s called Mr Satan’s Megaton Punch! If Cell wasn’t such a chump, the champ would have given him a punch for all the wonderful Satanists out there!
Yamcha isn't a cheater. In the original Dragon Ball, she only THOUGHT Yamcha was cheating because of that one chick who was trying to steal Goku's Dragon Balls. Bulma is full of assumptions, and when she thinks she's right it's already too late for everybody else. Yamcha never cheated, but because of anime tropes Bulma only saw him when the thief was trying to seduce him; a FAILED seduction, as well. Still, without Bulma breaking up with him (it was kinda mutual... Bulma was a pretty shitty girlfriend) Trunks never would've happened. So... all's well that ends well?
Does Dragonball characterization point towards Yamcha cheating? No Is it funny as hell to think that he did? Yes, certainly to Toriyama at least. This leads me to the conclusion: Yamcha cheated.
yajirobe was there for goku after the fight with og piccoro, dude was always a gigachad no bloody idea why people would even think he is useless WTF -_-
Which went nowhere so why would that count? You can’t even say it at least stalled for time for goku to get there bc goku said he was already there when Beerus hit Bulma. There’s a reason that scene was only in the extended cut of battle of gods lol
talk about Chaozu, there's this SNES Dragon ball RPG game. The story begins at Raditz arc, then second arc we fight Vegeta and Nappa. On that arc, you can either allow the guys who died at the manga die (Chaozu, Tenshinhan and Yamcha), or let them survive (with the exception of Piccolo, he will die). If you bring those human to Namek and max their level (max level is 50), surprisingly the strongest of the human, among Chaozu, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krilin, is Chaozu. He has the highest power among them for some reason... don't ask me why. Just interesting that old game makes him the strongest
I remember that game and as a Chiaotzu fan at the time I got a lot of satisfaction keeping him alive and taking him to Namek. He was my MVP. Love an underdog haha
I had literally forgotten about Chiaotzu until you named him most useless. Like I was wracking my brains as you went through the list going "wait, then who's left!?"
They are NOT friends. Don't slander Goku like that. He'd never be friends with that little shit. Chiaotzu only shows up because Tien, Goku's actual friend, brings him as a +1.
I feel sorry for characters like Yamcha, Tien, Krillin etc… Because no matter how hard they train, or how powerful they become, they will be considered “weak” compared to the Saiyans 😢
Yamcha saved Goku and Bulma from Monster Carrot He saved Bulma and the others from Goku's great ape rampage and helped to revert him from his great ape form He sacrificed his own life for Krillin He got Goku to safety after the heart virus started killing him He basically almost always showed up to try and help against major villains Super also had him defeat a number of galactic convicts on his own He's far from the most effective fighter and takes a lot of Ls, but he always tries to help and is a loyal, steadfast friend.
I like the "What-If" scenario in Sparking Zero where Goku saves Yamcha from the Saibaman. Goku VA's "WATCH OUT, YAMCHA!" and Yamcha's heartfelt "You're a life saver, Goku!" was such a true bro moment. I wish the quality of the game's campaign was better but it definitely showed the friendship Goku has with these other fighters forgotten by the writers as the series progressed. What-If Goku was weaker than Canon Goku because he never learned the Kaioken or the Spirit Bomb, but his presence and leadership earlier on kept the other fighters alive. So they take on Vegeta as a group. Seeing Yamcha and everyone else give Vegeta 'The Carebear Stare' with all their moves was pretty epic.
Something with Toriyama is that he doesn't let his og characters shine. He can make then learn forbidden technics to power them up or learn God ki. Also add side villains for them to battle like they did in Moro arc, but better.
I wish they all had one arc where all of the saiyans go on a trip to Namek for something related with piccolo and the normal z fighters (tien , chiatzo, Yamcha , Krillin , Roshi) train and get some type of human transformation . Like hell I want each one of them to be relevant now days and actually do something that you can get hyped about
Closest og is piccolo. Who's technically a reincarnation of an OG dragonball Villian. Fused with another OG dragonball character. But yea it can be strange. They also kinda brought back Gero by using his grandson. But yea, OG is the red headed step child.
@@raze2012_ Sorry. To be clear *human characters*. I know real life humans aren't strong, but its fiction. Nothing stops him from giving them power ups. Most other races seem to have one or two.
@@phoenixk9168 Humans in real life are actually way stronger than Saiyans and Namekians because in real life Saiyans and Namekians are made out of paper.
I'm not sure if it counts as usefulness, since it was while he was still a villain. But during Goku's fight with Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu was able to use his telekinesis to hold Goku in place. He only stopped because Tenshinhan wanted an honorable fight.
I believe her though... if it wasn't true, I think Yamcha would have been alot more outspoken about the whole thing. Yamcha cheated on Bulma and Bulma's comeuppance is she immediately starts a relationship with the guy who was partially responsible for his death. If we don't take Trunks'/Bulma's word, it becomes a very malicious story. I understand liking Yamcha, but people are constantly re-writing stories and looking for puzzles where there are none.
@@Rodney17302They aren't even rewriting the story, they're just ignoring a single ambigous uncomfirmed line and focusing on actual characterization. Yamcha in OG DB never even talked to another girl besides Bulma (not even kidding) while Bulma rubs herself on another man while drooling and in her underwear in the SAME sereis; Yamcha saved Bulma's life many times, and treated her amazingly, while she actively cheated on him, does an ambigous line from an uhreliable source immediately contradict that?
That is, of course, headcanon. Could be true. Could be untrue. I don't believe it's ever stated or hinted in the Manga or Anime that she is exaggerating though.
I think the funniest part about Chiaotsu is that I do not ever recall that the narrator said he died against the future androids. The idea of him being so underpowered that he isn't noticed by either the androids or Goku Black is hilarious to me
Yajirobe exists just to be useful. It’s only thanks to Yajirobe that Goku got to the top of Korin tower. He’s always handing people senzu beans, that prove to be pivotal, and my favorite Yajirobe moment. Cutting off Vegitas tail, which NEVER grows back. He also gave the actor who voiced Krillin a job for several months because they sound the same. His usefulness leaked into real life!!
7:46 not only that, but he also saved Vegeta by carrying him away from the spirit bomb's range, not even the dragoballs could have resurrected him if he died while being already dead.
So I mostly agree with you. EXCEPT: Chiaotzu only wins because you treat Kibito as a composite with Shin. Kibito on his own is far more useless than Chiaotzu. At least Chiaotzu tried to help, and provided inspiration/anger for the others. Kibito was not only around far less, he didn't try to help. Rather his arrogance and ignorance was an actual hinderance as long as he was around. He objected to everything, failed to recognize what was happening, and delayed things with his complaints. So while Shin and thus Kibitokai was not worthless, Kibito himself was far more useless than Chiaotzu.
I respectfully disagree because Chiaotzu *tried* to help. Kibito *did* help. If not for him, Shin and Gohan both would've died, meaning no Z Sword plan, no Elder Kai, and no way to revive Goku before Buu destroys the planet. Chiaotzu hasn't really done anything to match this.
Even if kibito is treated differently, he is still more useful than chiaotzu: - He was the one who healed Shin when he was on the verge of death. Essentially saving his life. - He heals and teleports gohan to the realm of kais so he could train and fight majin buu. Even if the list is small, that's still 2 more contributions than chiaotzu's.
yamcha was basically the main character of the first arc. goku wasn't a figured out character to toriyama yet so he was a pretty passive comedic character like most in the pilaf saga while yamcha played more of a traditional hero role ironically and he was the first character to ever save goku's life bulma's at the same time so it's not like you have to stretch that much to say he's useful just read the first arc.
also I don't think yamcha cheating on bulma if that is canon is why vegeta gets with bulma she probably would have anyway since the only thing backing up yamcha being a cheater is trunks saying so but bulma said she missed her chance with goku and talks as if yamcha is still with her when she says that so I think it would have happened anyway.
I would argue that Bulma's actually closer to the main character in the first arc, because she's usually the one that gets the gang into the situations and occasionally escalating them due to her selfishness and gung ho attitude. Though I think it would be more accurate to say that the first arc had an ensemble cast, except for maybe Puar. As for Yamcha cheating, I don't really care if it's canon or not, it seems pretty out of character for Yamcha to cheat, given nothing ever indicates it and Bulma has been shown to be overreactive, be in the manga or the anime filler. Not sure why people say it's a joke either since it's never treated like a punchline in the manga, unless you count Yamcha misunderstanding Goku by thinking he was saying Bulma and him should get married.
Dosen't make sense for me because toriyama wrote his main characters in comedic ways for example Arale in Dr slump is a gag character. Toriyama made goku a kind ish gag character until the first tenkaichi budokai arc
@@craigyeah1052 that's pretty much what I meant. regardless it's still kinda true toriyama only really decided to cut the retelling of journey to the west aspect of the story short to make goku go train with roshi because he knew martial arts tournaments were popular from dr slump and decided goku's character would be about getting stronger. yamcha in the pilaf saga has implicit and explicit character development which is amazing given it's an arc where the characters are again written more like gag manga characters usually. he even has 2 "goku landing" type moments in the pilaf saga when he saves goku from the rabbit goons and when he arrives in his car to help goku and bulma. sure a bit anticlimactic compared to where goku would end up but hey that fits yamcha a bit so XD
Hercule is anything but useless. He's an important side character in the Cell Saga and responsible for Buu's redemption in the Buu Saga. Befriending him genuinely could've stopped Buu if it wasn't for a guy killing Buu's dog. He's also responsible for Goku having enough energy to kill Kid Buu.
@TheDuckyDino I don't think she would've had another chance to there. Chichi was too angry at Goku for forgetting her to just casually approach him outside of a match and Goku was too concerned with Piccolo to worry about anything else.
As this is the same logic that prevents Yamcha from being the most useless, this makes Chiaotzu more useful than Yamcha. As such, *Oolong* should have been the most useless character, at least among those seen in the video.
@@Solrac_6412I think Yamcha was punished by Yenma, because his mistake in his previous life. He was the reason why Dr. Gero created hell fighter 17. I think he at some point had enough with Yenma and fused with broly. Broly's death is canon maybe. He was oolong replacement.
We also have to figure in that Yamcha's signature move the Wolf fang fist was taught to Gotenks who used it in the Dragon Ball Z movie where Tarble appears. So at least somebody is carrying on the tradition. Also during that movie Yamcha was able to save some people during the destruction of Mr Satan's hotel
The fight for the most useless character spot is mostly brought on by how the story had a revolving door of importance that most characters go in. Basically, the less Toriyama knew what to do with them, the less they do
there is one very importnant thing about yamcha, he did still train throughout all of the series, he just focused more on baseball. he has the ability to destroy earth and yet he has the patience to simply stay calm
I’m glad you mentioned Yamcha not being useless. Yamcha put up a good fight in the early days of the franchise. We just keep getting to many non human power-ups introduced.
Dragon Ball had several characters from the first season where it was a very different premise who end up not having much to do. Ox King, Oolang, Lunch, Puar, and arguably Yamaha all fit into that bill. Really the only characters who continue to stay important are Roshi, Bulma, obviously Goku, and eventually far later Chichi.
@endersdragon34 Krillin and Piccolo stay important generally. Granted almost entirely outgunned from Super Saiyan onward but certainly more important than Bulma or Roshi tend to be. Puar or Oolang are definitely the pick if not for their actions during the first Dragon Ball collection. It always seemed a little odd to me just how minor Ox King is though.
@@FNA27601 Ehhhhhhh kinda, he certainly fights well against 17 and Imperfect Cell but he's clearly outgunned by Cell's evolution. He definitely keeps being useful as an advisor and puts up a nice showing in the Tournament of Power in Super and in Super Hero (love that he got the spotlight) but his power fades fast. He's probably my favorite character in the whole thing but his prominence isn't much for most of it. I suppose he does in fact surpase Super Saiyan 1 for a little bit but I can't really give full marks since it was Vegeta and that dude basically exists to lose. Love the guy and he's badass but man he rarely lives up to his potential.
0:04 When Useless comes to mind, Chiaotzu pops up. Pan did way more in Battle of Gods in Videl's womb (remember whn Videl went Super Saiyan, and was included in the God Ritual?)
Bruh thank you for putting out such fun and interesting stuff. Your creativity makes me feel like you'd be a great addition to the DB writer's room. I've seen people making stuff up to par with your quality get jobs within the studios that make the media they talk about. All said, I REALLY hope you get to contribute to some "What If?" stuff in a game one day. We need more; so much more.
About the Yamcha Cheating thing 2:15: It’s interesting because this is likely something that Akira simply overlooked, since Trunks had to play a special role and had to be Vegeta’s son, if only to further develop Vegeta’s character. With the sudden introduction of a son, Vegeta had more room to grow, and without having to change his hair to blonde. But now it’s supposedly Yamcha who cheated - the guy with a somewhat perverted streak, sure, but who also has a big romantic side. He’s someone who only has eyes for one woman, whether in the past or even now. As soon as he was with Bulma, he didn’t care about anyone else. When Goku left and told Bulma to give birth to a healthy baby, Yamcha stood there, proud and ready to finally marry Bulma. He’s definitely not the type to just cheat like that. Sure, they had their arguments now and then. But it’s often implied that Bulma tends to overreact. And speaking of Bulma, she’s more the type who would “explore her options” - she was even willing to grab Goku’s “balls” for a Dragon Ball back in the day. She never truly supported Yamcha. Even at the first tournament, she seemed more excited about Jackie Chun than Yamcha just because of the cool name. She idolized General Blue, wondered why she hadn’t ended up with Goku, and back in the classic episodes, struggled with the idea that Yamcha was admired by other women simply because he was good-looking. He hadn’t done anything, yet she was completely jealous and wanted to cut him off just because other women were into him. He didn’t do anything wrong, but she was “jealous as hell.” And now he’s suddenly supposed to be the bad guy? Sure, Bulma is set up as the “good” one here - she can even forgive a mass murderer just like that, despite indirectly causing her ex-boyfriend’s death. But of course, she’s not the villain; Yamcha is the cheater, and … well, we don’t really need him in the series anymore. Bulma is the only available female character, so Vegeta has to settle for her. She’s the only one who can keep him in check, and he’s the only one who can put up with her moods. But still, it all feels very strange. The voice actors at the time were really baffled and even upset by this turn of events. Yamcha’s voice actor actually wanted to leave the studio because he thought it was ridiculous to suddenly make Yamcha out to be such a jerk. It’s much easier to imagine that Bulma was the one who cheated with Vegeta and that Yamcha took the blame because he was such an over-the-top simp and hopeless romantic. After all, Vegeta is a prince, and that would make Bulma a princess. And we only get this information from Trunks, who probably heard it from Bulma. She certainly wouldn’t tell him she cheated with Vegeta; of course, she’d paint Yamcha as the bad guy. It makes sense in a way.
this is only partly related but it's funny for me to read yamcha's VA took such a strong opposition to yamcha cheating on his gf when this yr he admitted to cheating on his wife for the past 4 yrs (among other things). assuming ur referring to the japanese VA, not american btw
Wait aren't Yamcha, Piccolo, & Vegeta all voiced by Sabat? Personally I like the TFS joke that it was Puar shapeshifted that Bulma walked in on him with.
Personally, I hate the "Ron the Death Eater" treatment Yamcha got because of it. Bulma and Yamcha are clearly still friends for the rest of the manga, Bulma doesn't even bring up any supposed cheating after the 3-year training period. Toriyama even confirms in an interview last decade that Yamcha still has gynophobia (It's so bad that he was fired from his job as a bouncer. Poor dolt). So, given Bulma's tendency to overexaggerate things and Yamcha's history, they could've easily broken up over a misunderstanding (which is honestly pretty funny). Sadly, some people take this shit way too seriously and always feel the need to bring it up when talking about Yamcha's character. I notice shippers tend to be very serious about it, often leading to him getting mischaracterized as a serial cheater.
Ever since original Dragon Ball, Bulma has been jealous of Yamcha's popularity with other girls. Even though there's never been any actual indication of him flirting/cheating with anyone else, Bulma still accused him of it and constantly attacked him for it. It's probably the same thing here where she saw him in some kind of situation and thought the worst and ended things with him for it. And not that I'm defending cheating, but even if he did, it would make sense considering how badly Bulma treated him a lot of the time, though it doesn't really make sense for his character to really do that anyway.
YES!!! I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR DECADES AT THIS POINT!!! The only reason we go so hard on Yamcha is because he, at least, has the merit of existing in the narrative. I don't even know what to say about Chiaotzu, he is a character... supposedly... PS : Whoever said Yajirobe was useless, tf are you on talking about the GOAT like that?
2:28 I mean, that's secondhand information from Future Bulma; who also told Future Trunks that Vegeta had a good side, yet was surprised when Trunks told her that she was right about Vegeta after he returned.
I'm of two minds with that scene: on one hand, it is Toriyama's way to explain to the audience (and Goku, of course) that is why Bulma ends up with Vegeta and why Trunks even exist. So from viewpoint, it is the canon reason and that Yamcha did cheat. On the other hand, from an in-universe perspective where Bulma's track record of being overreactive, I'm willing to think Trunks is just repeating what his mom likely would've said. Not only that, but it makes little sense for Yamcha as a character to cheat on Bulma. He's gotten cocky during fights, sure, but that wouldn't equate to cheating. Even the Japanese voice actors for Yamcha and Bulma (and I think Vegeta too?) expressed how little it made sense when that first got brought up.
@@CSwizzleDizzle We actually do get to see their break-up in the OG DB manga. Long story short, Goku, Bulma and Yamcha went to an amusement park. In there a RR army mook accosted Yamcha, however, from Bulma's point of view, it looked like they were kissing. Yamcha tried to explain this but Bulma wouldn't listen.
Imagine if Goku and Hit (who was introduced in the universe six tounement) didn’t say a single line to each other until the TOP where Goku tells CABBA “ Hey, tell HiT I think his time skip ability is cool” and then Cabba relays that message once he loses and he’s in the stands
That's the thing though, the only side of the story we have is Trunk's. A guy who never met yamcha before time traveling, and is going purely off his mothers side of the story. Anybody who's actually aware of Bulma and Yamcha's relationship would call cap so fast, especially with Bulma's streak of calling Yamcha a cheater anytime a girl so much as looked at him.
Yamcha is badass in his own right, yeah he's not one of the strongest like Goku or Vegeta but he's still strong and he is the reason why the others didn't die from the saibamen like he did.
@@Prince-Shogun It sickens me too and while Yamcha's death pose is a classic meme and even shows up in different medias especially in dokkan battle, he doesn't deserve that disrespect
I really hate the whole Yamcha cheated on Bulma thing. It's insanely out of character for Yamcha do to and was obviously made just to give Bulma a symphetetic reason to break up with Yamcha. Yamcha was done dirty
As much as we all respect the man, Toriyama was not good at writing relationship stuff. Yamcha cheating on Bulma is a very Toriyama gag that sidesteps having to come up with a relationship arc that leads to them splitting up that is compelling and believable.
Bulma p much said Yamcha was already cheating on her in the saiyan arc. According to the kakarot game it was a misunderstanding but it’s still not hard to believe imo; bulma and Yamcha never had much reason to like each other anyway “but he was afraid of women tho” and then he got over it and became cocky, it’s rlly not that crazy
A kid dressed like a traditional doll is useless. What a surprise. No one is even expecting much from him in the first place. Unlike with Yamcha and Ten, people expected them to step up, but they failed. In short, we had zero expectations of Chaozu, so him doing close to nothing is not really an issue.
I couldve sworn his lore was like that he was a vampire emperor who went to train at the crane school??? or maybe budokai tenkaichi 1 made that up its been a while
10:11 technically Vegeta’s sacrifice delayed Babidi and Buu’s rampage. That delay gave Goku time to wake up, gather everyone on the lookout, earn Goten and Trunks’ respect and convince buu to wait for Gotenks. Which leads to Buutenks, Buuhan and Vegetto, and eventually the separation of Mr Buu from Kid Buu. With Mr Buu buying time in the Kid buu fight as well as being a dai kaio conduit in the Moro arc.
i dunno the "respect" he got here was that he gets his ass kicked so hard that it was a warning for others multiple times, he loses his girl to some guy that was the reason he died. does not seem like he is respected by anyone
People who think Yamcha would never cheated on Bulma have clearly never played the side-quests in Kakarot. Yamcha literally goes out with ten girls a day bro
Yamcha is such a great character. He has cool unique moves like the Wolf Fang Fist and the Soukidan, he actually feels like a martial artist on himself to improve, and the damage he takes helped the villains looked terrifying, from being blown up by the Saibamen to the oh so scary shot of Dr. Gero impaling him. That terrified me as a kid.
I forgot how useless the last pick really was I'm surprised Goten & Trunks & by extension, Gotenks wasn't even considered here cause all they do is waste everyone's time
@Gogeta-plushie They could've killed him at many points throughout, which would have saved a lot of time & lives Hell, Goten even *acknowledged* that fact
@@BardockSkywalkerNot that many lives given earth's population had already been wiped out. But I know what you mean. To be fair they were kids, and they didn't mess up nearly as badly as say, Goku and Vegeta in that same saga.
I swear, Yamcha took _one_ L and the entire fanbase started clowning on him. Meanwhile Vegeta gets whooped in every appearance and yet people still think he's him.
_One_ L?
@@philw3039 okay fine he got beaten a few times beforehand but i swear to god no one on planet earth is ever letting him live down the saibaman incident
@@philw3039go on anything related to yamcha people will always somehow bring up syberman incedent
A few? Bro got killed by doctor gero, got destroyed by turles and got her girl stolen + his useless friend is a cat that got touched by an old man @@SenyiKimmo
Dude fought the God of Earth, mistook him for some wimp, and got humiliated and hit in the dick. Kami absolutely wrecked him and humiliated him.
No wonder they chose to use Chiaotzu as the twist villain for that one Yamcha gag manga.
Bro literally barely exists in the story and is only known for taking Ls.
And his entire thing is that he tried being evil because he was bored but couldnt because he’s chiaotzu
@@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad chiaotzu might be the saddest character in anime
@@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad No? He died multiple times trying to be a good guy Chiaotzu, and then decided to switch to villainy in hopes of, you know, not dying this time. Pretty normal cycle for a human trapped in a time loop.
He survived Buu's Genocide Attack only to cower in the corner until he ultimately was killed by Kid Buu blowing up the Earth.
Which makes Sparking Zero's What-Ifs surprisingly intriguing, because Chiaotzu gets one of the bigger increases to usefulness.
Krillin gets a slight boost, as he proves instrumental in defeating Radditz and Vegeta, but was already pretty useful. Tien gets a slight downgrade, since his late-Android feats don't occur, but he's a present, relevant fighter through Frieza Saga. Yamcha gets the same boost as Tien, which does a little more in his case since his biggest feats post-Saiyan arc are not dying immediately to a Cell Jr and hyping up Krillin to lil' Marron. (Not much, but at least it helps reinforce that, at heart, Yamcha's a friendly guy who just shows some occasional unearned bravado for the sake of keeping spirits up.)
Launch did more than Chaiotzu. She helped get rid of the Red Ribbon army and saved everyone when they were tied up as the time bomb was ticking. Without her most of the main characters would be dead. Then she flies off and disappears. However she is still useful because without her we don't have any story after that!
man, what happened to her?
@@xelldincht4251 she's basically a Mandela effect at this point lmao
@@xelldincht4251 Toriyama forgot about her and never explained why she transformed
@@xelldincht4251 Ikr, where did she go lol.
Yes. All now agree that Launch owns, except for fake fans. Interesting how that has occurred.
Keep in mind that when Yamcha was attacked by Dr Gero, it was because his training had actually backfired - his power had risen so much he was mistaken for Goku (from an earlier arc, but still)
He was mistaken for kid Goku from when he destroyed the red ribbon, I think Gero's data were that outdated
@@guillaumejoop6437Not quite. Yamcha was mistaken for how powerful Dr. Gero projected Goku to be based off his scout flies. Meaning, if Goku never went to Namek and didn’t train with advance knowledge of the androids arriving, Dr. Gero thought he’d be that strong.
So it’s actually super impressive that Yamcha was a little stronger than Saiyan Saga Goku as a mere human.
@@danielbrown001 oh ok, it's been a while, I couldn't remember right, thanks for the clarification
@@danielbrown001That is really impressive. He also fought Moro's escapees and he looked cool. I wonder how strong he is now. I hope these human characters also get that grass roshi eats to stay immortal so they get to shine sometime.
The problem is also that Geros power was so great Yamcha got hit by a oneshot grab before he could react.
I doubt that Gero this loser could have beaten any martial artist near the same powerlevel.
And Piccolo was above Gero in power and look how Piccolo dispatched of him when Gero could not use the oneshot-grab on him.
just wanna be super clear I'm talking about prominent characters in the story! characters a casual fan would remember the name of. there are plenty of "useless" background or side characters. hope you all enjoyed the video :)
I did :)
yeah
i dont mess with dragon ball too much, but its nice to keep up with you carthus.
@@CarthusDojo I wonder if fat gotenks counts 🤔😅
Would turtle count?
I like to think that the unseen forever training Chiaotzu shows up to kill Frieza Black at the end of the arc as a 6’8” monster after finally hitting his growth spurt in his late 30’s.
Chiaotzu is 51 in GT.
10:41 "A child and even Yamcha is more prepared for this ...". The internet is hardwired to dunk on Yamcha even unconsciously.
I mean he wasn't lying gohan by that point surpasses yamcha and all the other humans by a long shot, is just that well he is still a 6 year old kid
He had his uses, but I don't think it's a hit take to suggest he fell way off the power curve by Z.
Doesn't mean he's useless. He's still a top 3 human after all. Just that his uses are not gonna be on-screen against galaxy busters.
@raze2012 you haven't read the current DBS manga, have you?
@@jersont.3339 so you didn't watch dragon ball z because if you watch the namek saga yamcha one shotted recoome a character that broke gohan's neck almost ending his life so NO yamcha at that point was WAY stronger than gohan AND vegeta during that point.
@@ezanawright7971 the very same people be having their lotion and tissue at the ready for vegeta knowing that he lost WAY more fights than yamcha, the fanbase is SUPER delusional and fraudulent.
Chiaotzu did more in the what-ifs in Dragon Ball Sparking Zero than in the actual anime.
@@ZeissWorldbegging for subs is wild
@@ZeissWorld heart virus looking ahh
fr
Sadly true
That's sad
Yajirobe cutting off Vegeta's tail is one of my favorite moments in Dragon Ball altogether. Considering Mr. Satan singlehandedly stopping Buu by befriending him is my favorite, it seems big moments for unlikely characters strike a chord with me.
What's weird is Puar is often separated from Yamcha, we don't need Puar to show up all the time with him, but when it comes to Tien, Chiaotzu is glued to him. You'd think they'd come up with some kind of strategy to fight together, like use his telekinesis beyond the one time it didn't work. But no, this strange child in his 30's just kind of hangs around, like a toddler dragged to their parent's events.
@@Rhino-n-Chips Goku: “Who’s Chaozu again?”
Tenshinhan: “My shadow.”
Not only that. Tien always drags chiotzu with him only for tien to immediately send him home because its too dangerous. Which is complete bullshit because he can just be brought back
nah but fr how old is bro ? cause everyone treats him like a kid and in super he is always seen playing with maron and trunks and goten but isnt he literally older than goku ?
@@theAlex2577 Goku was born in either Age 734 or 737 depending on what continuity you're using. Chiaotzu was born in Age 738. So, at a minimum, Goku is 1 year older. But Goku was also dead for 8 years while Chiaotzu was dead for only 1 year.
he's based on a type of vampire. I think it's clear that he just doesn't age. He's an eternal toddler both in body and mind
To think even Pan as a fetus was more useful to the story than Chiaotzu 💀
Pan literally helped turned Goku into a super Saiyan god.
That's just the usual Saiyan plot armor at work. None of the new generation even work for it after a while, they can just all do that shit now
💀
@@jairusjackson7799From established lore in Z like the S-cells. It makes sense that the newer generation of kind-hearted hybrid saiyans would have a ton of potential.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 Again, I repeat plot armor at work. Saying it's just in their blood is faaar less interesting then seeing them work for it, struggle, grow and push themselves to achieve it. Pan is just born strong, so are Goten and Trunks, where is the journey? It's lazy writing nothing else, they even forgot to give them tails!
"Why Yamcha isn't useless - he cheated on Bulma, resulting in Trunks being eventually conceived"
I mean... he's not wrong.
Bulma for the streets. She said Vegeta was handsome right after watching yamcha get clapped.
I seriously can’t believe that saying Yamcha cheating was useful. Cheating is bad, why would you ever say that it’s useful for Yamcha?!
@@KingReece-re8mx but he didn't cheat her tho its confirmed in dragon ball z kakarot like bulma statement about him would be true if we see yamcha filtering with other girls
@@jerrychicks2420 Not exactly, she just told him not to flirt with her.
@@truebeliever786 She said as they were watching Goku and Vegeta square up.
Let’s not forget Tien’s MOST important contribution, the blinding move he used against Goku, without this, Krillin would’ve died in the maze on Namek to Frieza
the solar flare is statistically the most useful move in the entire series.
Probably wouldn't have even made it to Frieza, he had to use it to escape Dodoria when they saved Dende.
Tien just casually committing war crimes even Freiza wouldn't stoop that low.
Actually against Roshi. Goku was already prepared because of that
What @@darkdemigod
2:55 BTW Vegeta didn't actually call Bulma a "bothersome human slave", it's a translation error. He's actually saying "You're in the way of my training".
The translator mistook "Torēningu"(Training) for "Dorei Ningen"(Human Slave)
So that’s what Zamasu mean’t when he said Ningen
@@DameGame-y2i You cant say ningen, thats our word. You can say ninga tho.
@@Blundabus1337ok my Ninga
And he wasnt confused when that didnt fit in with the other words?
@@Freekymoho They probably thought it fit the "cold blooded" nature of Vegeta at the time, this scene takes place early on in Vegeta's character. It's honestly a dumb mistake.
The episode is 124 of DBZ, around timestamp 12:27.
You can listen for "Torēningu" yourself, but it's further backed up by Bulma asking Vegeta "How is this training?"(Nani ga torēningu yo?)
Carthu forgetting Launch just like Toriyama, I expected her to be mentionned
Nah she showed us that Super Saiyan was possible. Definitely not useless.
She was fucking up the RRA
Without her,roshi wouldn't have trained krillin and goku
Launch wasn't useless, she acted like a mother figure to Goku and Krillin in the original Dragonball.
@@KissyKaede ya plus she was taken out Red Ribbon Soldiers too. Knew how to get those front row seats too.
You are NOW invited to my Yamcha themed birthday party
Am I invited????😢
@@ZeissWorldaint no one falling for that lil bro🙏🙏🙏🙏
What about me
Me?
I wanna be there too😔
1:25 People also forget that Yamcha actually won against his Saibaman.
The saibaman literally had to play a kamikaze trick because it was getting cooked
@@thegino64 Exactly. And people dunk on Yamcha for “losing” when he actually won! If it wasn’t for that Saibaman playing dead, people would actually respect my man Yamcha. It says something that he didn’t get respect until the isekai spin off manga
@@wolfherojohnson2766 I dont know if “respect” would be the right thing to say, since if you take away the saibaman death thing… well nice, you took away 1 loss out of all his other loses(altho being the most popular one). He’d just be seen as less of a joke.
@@thegino64 Man had a succesful basball carer.
@@Longshot441 I do know that
You forgot that Puar also helped defeating that vampire guy to get krillins blood back in fortune teller Babas tournament
It’s crazy how Goku only spoke to Chiaotzu like… once, through several degrees of separation.
Thats wacky as hell
And it was only like 5 words lol
It's the "and my bow" of dragon ball haha
Honestly I could tottaly see this stuff, where one of the main secondary characters never speak with main protagonists being an actual thing in many works, we just Don't paying attention to it.
Gohan, he's wasting time trying to fight when he could be curing cancer, what a waste of a student smh
You got me in the first half, not gonna lie. Lol
Doesn't he study animals?
If only everyone had listened to Chi-Chi, Gohan could have cured the heart virus as a ~8-9 year old thus preventing the entire Jinzoningen crisis (maybe?)
Alright Chichi
His academic progress could have impressed dr gero so much he wouldn't have built the androids but instead become Gohans academic advisor. Win without fighting Super Valedictorian galaxy brain transformation!
Out the 3 Yamcha, Yajarobe, and Mr. Satan I'm taking Yamcha for my team atleast he'll actually tries* to fight
Most people have never read the Manga or watched the og series... most jumped in on DBZ, and Super and possibly GT... so 5:56
Mr. Satan 😂 he has the power to motivate the masses
If I need someone as a stepping stone to get out of the the chi-blast zone... then my man Yamcha's the pick to have between instant death and myself.
I made a bet with my friend that you would say something about Super Saiyan 3 being bad. Thank you for the 50 bucks- 9:16 😂
eventually i'll get bored of the meme
@@CarthusDojo No keep you coming. It's still funny and I like money 😂
@@CarthusDojoI’d guess you’d something about it and won 8 dollars
@@CarthusDojo please don't i hate ssj3 and it's nice to have vindication that at least one major db youtuber doesn't like it
At least SSJ3 had two W's in movies 😂
Yamcha in OG Dragon Ball:🐺
Yamcha in the games:🐺
Yamcha in Z and Super:🤡
2:48 I doubt he cheated on her all we have is Bulma who is a known liar word from future trunks
@@Thecrazygamerkid0616 I think even Yamcha says he cheated or something, I could be wrong tho
Yamcha didnt rlly do much in og db either
AWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@bobbyblackman1118 He did get his leg crushed by Tenshinhan and punched in the dick by Kami. That...yeah, that really isn't much.
the fact that yamcha cheating on bulma saved the universe is pretty great ngl
It’s genuinely the best thing to happen in the series. His blunder led to the birth of the goat
No it led to the birth of the drink
it confirmed he didn't cheat not gonna lie tho it will be funny as hell to find out that trunks father is actually yamcha lol
Frieza force soldier number 2847.
@@ZeissWorld Bro is not Kira 😭😭😭
@ZeissWorld YOU ARE NOT KIRA CUDDY!
*Prominent character
@@ZeissWorld its seems he is the most useless character💀💀💀
@@ZeissWorldbro thinks he's light yagami
Bro thinks he's ywach (Ik I didn't spell that right)
Bro thinks he can see the future
In DBS filler, Chiaotzu is able to very breifly hold a base Goku back with telekinesis after the Universe 6 Tournament, and in the Moro saga, he is the one that helps Tien defeat the Megetta like prisoner with insults. Still totally useless but those are some minor feats for him.
Kind of sad that you have to bring in filler.
It's not filler lol
Based on DBZ filler Yamcha is atleast Cell Games SSJ Goku level (as a lowball).
@@TheSuperGooberThe first one is filler
@@juicyeboi9006wrong he was able to fight olibuu after he got stronger and olibuu gave pikkon some trouble and pikkon beat cell
Meaning at worst(massive downplay)he is stronger than perfect cell or more accurately he is much stronger than super perfect cell
its the cameraman, never dies, immune to fucking everything, travels everywhere in an instant, maintains low presence and so much more. But never does shit even when the entirety of reality and time itself is in danger
The trade-off for infinite durability is that the cameraman has zero offensive capabilities
@@Gloomdrake False, Cameraman is a omni-being in dbz universe, but a human in this universe, also known as Akira Toriyama, he can make anything happen on his will and anytime
@@jalanstudio2465 not technically. Ideally, the events that occur have to adhere to prior characterization, and follow a clear cause and effect. That these rules aren't always followed is a clear testament to the power Toriyama wielded, but abusing the power like that carries severe consequences for the integrity of the narrative. Toriyama could have, in theory, just blinked the Dragon Ball multiverse out existence, instantly annihilating every creature within, but in practice he couldn't do that, because the people would riot
@@Gloomdrake im out, I aint reading all that XD
@@jalanstudio2465 Kay. I was proving you right, but kay.
7:18 Wrong! As everyone knows, Mr. Satan defeated Cell by himself. Misinformation...
Hail Satan! Hail SATAN!
All jokes aside, you make an interesting point... if dbz events happened in our world, RUclips would literally be plastering misinformation pop-ups for anyone claiming Mr. Satan *wasn't* the one who defeated Cell. Amusing and yet unsettling thought...
He might have defeated Cell, but we all know the truth.
That Super Duper Saiyan Gohan defeated Mr. Perfecter Cell.
Exactly! He exploded without a trace on impact. That’s why it’s called Mr Satan’s Megaton Punch!
If Cell wasn’t such a chump, the champ would have given him a punch for all the wonderful Satanists out there!
They don’t call him the world champion for nothing.
Yamcha isn't a cheater. In the original Dragon Ball, she only THOUGHT Yamcha was cheating because of that one chick who was trying to steal Goku's Dragon Balls. Bulma is full of assumptions, and when she thinks she's right it's already too late for everybody else. Yamcha never cheated, but because of anime tropes Bulma only saw him when the thief was trying to seduce him; a FAILED seduction, as well.
Still, without Bulma breaking up with him (it was kinda mutual... Bulma was a pretty shitty girlfriend) Trunks never would've happened. So... all's well that ends well?
Plus, Bulma has those wandering eyes.
Fuck yes I'm born
that chick INSTEAD got to see Goku’s “Dragon Balls”. Also that whole thing was filler.
In fairness, Hasky is anime only filler.
Does Dragonball characterization point towards Yamcha cheating? No
Is it funny as hell to think that he did? Yes, certainly to Toriyama at least.
This leads me to the conclusion: Yamcha cheated.
8:09 "He was able to be useful 5 million years ago" is the most pathetic flex I've ever heard lol It just gets funnier the more I think about it
finally my goat yajirobe getting the respect he deserves and fraudzu getting what he deserves NOTHING
Don’t disrespect the goat
yajirobe was there for goku after the fight with og piccoro, dude was always a gigachad no bloody idea why people would even think he is useless WTF -_-
i actually did like that they retconned trunk's timeline to have yajirobe still alive.
chiaotzu should of easily killed napa, but the writer was always terrible so yeah
@zeonacepilot3420 wtf are you on bro💀
4:41 Oolong's done 2 things, actually. The other one was the Rock-Paper-Scisors match against Beerus in Super to prevent Earth's destruction.
Which went nowhere so why would that count? You can’t even say it at least stalled for time for goku to get there bc goku said he was already there when Beerus hit Bulma. There’s a reason that scene was only in the extended cut of battle of gods lol
I was about to mention that.
He prevented Pilaf from becoming the ruler of the world just by asking Shenron his infamous wish
@@0047sssss that's what the vid was referring to as the 1 thing of value oolong has done
I never thought Mr Satan was useless solely on his relationship with Boo.. that alone makes him useful.
You literally uploaded this right as I served my lunch. Nice!
Hope you have a good lunch
SAME
@@CarthusDojo easily my goat there
wait
what has launch done???
Funny enough, I think even Launch is more useful than Chiaotzu XD
talk about Chaozu, there's this SNES Dragon ball RPG game. The story begins at Raditz arc, then second arc we fight Vegeta and Nappa. On that arc, you can either allow the guys who died at the manga die (Chaozu, Tenshinhan and Yamcha), or let them survive (with the exception of Piccolo, he will die). If you bring those human to Namek and max their level (max level is 50), surprisingly the strongest of the human, among Chaozu, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krilin, is Chaozu. He has the highest power among them for some reason... don't ask me why. Just interesting that old game makes him the strongest
I remember that game and as a Chiaotzu fan at the time I got a lot of satisfaction keeping him alive and taking him to Namek. He was my MVP. Love an underdog haha
@@adamw1431what's the game name?
@@ahmedriyad4264 Dragon Ball super saiya densetsu
@@guritamarctiberiu1567 thanks
I had literally forgotten about Chiaotzu until you named him most useless. Like I was wracking my brains as you went through the list going "wait, then who's left!?"
Know whats funny
The fact that Goku and chiaotzu have never spoken to one another ONCE and yet they are friends?
Chaozu: “Go get ‘em, Goku!”
Goku: “Who are you again?”
@@Cameron_Prattfr tho😭
They are NOT friends. Don't slander Goku like that. He'd never be friends with that little shit. Chiaotzu only shows up because Tien, Goku's actual friend, brings him as a +1.
@@Skeloperch FACTS
It's not too difficult to become Goku's friend tbh
Its obviously goku
Yep
No cap
Fr fr
🤷♂️ maybe?
FRAUDku and WEAKgeta
I feel sorry for characters like Yamcha, Tien, Krillin etc…
Because no matter how hard they train, or how powerful they become, they will be considered “weak” compared to the Saiyans 😢
Yamcha saved Goku and Bulma from Monster Carrot
He saved Bulma and the others from Goku's great ape rampage and helped to revert him from his great ape form
He sacrificed his own life for Krillin
He got Goku to safety after the heart virus started killing him
He basically almost always showed up to try and help against major villains
Super also had him defeat a number of galactic convicts on his own
He's far from the most effective fighter and takes a lot of Ls, but he always tries to help and is a loyal, steadfast friend.
I like the "What-If" scenario in Sparking Zero where Goku saves Yamcha from the Saibaman. Goku VA's "WATCH OUT, YAMCHA!" and Yamcha's heartfelt "You're a life saver, Goku!" was such a true bro moment. I wish the quality of the game's campaign was better but it definitely showed the friendship Goku has with these other fighters forgotten by the writers as the series progressed.
What-If Goku was weaker than Canon Goku because he never learned the Kaioken or the Spirit Bomb, but his presence and leadership earlier on kept the other fighters alive. So they take on Vegeta as a group. Seeing Yamcha and everyone else give Vegeta 'The Carebear Stare' with all their moves was pretty epic.
He also defeated the Invisible Man.
So hes useless?
@@hadibule5797 you don't know the meaning of useless
Something with Toriyama is that he doesn't let his og characters shine. He can make then learn forbidden technics to power them up or learn God ki.
Also add side villains for them to battle like they did in Moro arc, but better.
I wish they all had one arc where all of the saiyans go on a trip to Namek for something related with piccolo and the normal z fighters (tien , chiatzo, Yamcha , Krillin , Roshi) train and get some type of human transformation . Like hell I want each one of them to be relevant now days and actually do something that you can get hyped about
Closest og is piccolo. Who's technically a reincarnation of an OG dragonball Villian. Fused with another OG dragonball character.
But yea it can be strange. They also kinda brought back Gero by using his grandson. But yea, OG is the red headed step child.
@@raze2012_ Sorry. To be clear *human characters*. I know real life humans aren't strong, but its fiction. Nothing stops him from giving them power ups.
Most other races seem to have one or two.
@@phoenixk9168 Humans in real life are actually way stronger than Saiyans and Namekians because in real life Saiyans and Namekians are made out of paper.
@@AlmyTheAlien Unfortunately 😢
I'm not sure if it counts as usefulness, since it was while he was still a villain. But during Goku's fight with Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu was able to use his telekinesis to hold Goku in place. He only stopped because Tenshinhan wanted an honorable fight.
What show us Ten true hearr. I mean come on if for Yamcha argument is "he show ushow strong next oponent is"
I’d argue Trunk’s comment isn’t exactly proof of Yamcha cheating, as Bulma is known to exaggerate and equate harmless interactions with cheating.
Yes having a word from a character that got the word from his mother so automatically less likely to admit to her being wrong.
I believe her though... if it wasn't true, I think Yamcha would have been alot more outspoken about the whole thing. Yamcha cheated on Bulma and Bulma's comeuppance is she immediately starts a relationship with the guy who was partially responsible for his death. If we don't take Trunks'/Bulma's word, it becomes a very malicious story. I understand liking Yamcha, but people are constantly re-writing stories and looking for puzzles where there are none.
@@Rodney17302They aren't even rewriting the story, they're just ignoring a single ambigous uncomfirmed line and focusing on actual characterization. Yamcha in OG DB never even talked to another girl besides Bulma (not even kidding) while Bulma rubs herself on another man while drooling and in her underwear in the SAME sereis; Yamcha saved Bulma's life many times, and treated her amazingly, while she actively cheated on him, does an ambigous line from an uhreliable source immediately contradict that?
That is, of course, headcanon. Could be true. Could be untrue. I don't believe it's ever stated or hinted in the Manga or Anime that she is exaggerating though.
@@ultraexcalibur1728 With her previous behavior compared to Yamcha she is one more likely of cheating or seeing something not there
I think the funniest part about Chiaotsu is that I do not ever recall that the narrator said he died against the future androids. The idea of him being so underpowered that he isn't noticed by either the androids or Goku Black is hilarious to me
trunks does mention chiaotzu was killed by the future androids iirc (at least in the anime) but in history of trunks I'm not sure it's mentioned
Yajirobe exists just to be useful. It’s only thanks to Yajirobe that Goku got to the top of Korin tower. He’s always handing people senzu beans, that prove to be pivotal, and my favorite Yajirobe moment. Cutting off Vegitas tail, which NEVER grows back. He also gave the actor who voiced Krillin a job for several months because they sound the same. His usefulness leaked into real life!!
Chiaotzu in 2 of Goku's What Ifs in Sparking Zero is infinitely more useful than his canon version 😭😭💀
Yamcha needs a entire 1 hour video praising him, please.
We got like 4-7 minutes
7:46 not only that, but he also saved Vegeta by carrying him away from the spirit bomb's range, not even the dragoballs could have resurrected him if he died while being already dead.
I thought the dragon brought him back to life with all the other people that died in the last few days?
Johnsong is right, but goku was holding back from throwing the Bomb for some reason
So I mostly agree with you.
EXCEPT:
Chiaotzu only wins because you treat Kibito as a composite with Shin. Kibito on his own is far more useless than Chiaotzu. At least Chiaotzu tried to help, and provided inspiration/anger for the others. Kibito was not only around far less, he didn't try to help. Rather his arrogance and ignorance was an actual hinderance as long as he was around. He objected to everything, failed to recognize what was happening, and delayed things with his complaints.
So while Shin and thus Kibitokai was not worthless, Kibito himself was far more useless than Chiaotzu.
Yes indeed he didn't even try to help me neat Babadi in the future while Shin died
Kibito is the one who healed Gohan and has the ability to teleport
Kibito is currently doing things in Daima as well
I respectfully disagree because Chiaotzu *tried* to help. Kibito *did* help. If not for him, Shin and Gohan both would've died, meaning no Z Sword plan, no Elder Kai, and no way to revive Goku before Buu destroys the planet. Chiaotzu hasn't really done anything to match this.
Even if kibito is treated differently, he is still more useful than chiaotzu:
- He was the one who healed Shin when he was on the verge of death. Essentially saving his life.
- He heals and teleports gohan to the realm of kais so he could train and fight majin buu.
Even if the list is small, that's still 2 more contributions than chiaotzu's.
yamcha was basically the main character of the first arc. goku wasn't a figured out character to toriyama yet so he was a pretty passive comedic character like most in the pilaf saga while yamcha played more of a traditional hero role ironically and he was the first character to ever save goku's life bulma's at the same time so it's not like you have to stretch that much to say he's useful just read the first arc.
also I don't think yamcha cheating on bulma if that is canon is why vegeta gets with bulma she probably would have anyway since the only thing backing up yamcha being a cheater is trunks saying so but bulma said she missed her chance with goku and talks as if yamcha is still with her when she says that so I think it would have happened anyway.
I would argue that Bulma's actually closer to the main character in the first arc, because she's usually the one that gets the gang into the situations and occasionally escalating them due to her selfishness and gung ho attitude. Though I think it would be more accurate to say that the first arc had an ensemble cast, except for maybe Puar.
As for Yamcha cheating, I don't really care if it's canon or not, it seems pretty out of character for Yamcha to cheat, given nothing ever indicates it and Bulma has been shown to be overreactive, be in the manga or the anime filler. Not sure why people say it's a joke either since it's never treated like a punchline in the manga, unless you count Yamcha misunderstanding Goku by thinking he was saying Bulma and him should get married.
Dosen't make sense for me because toriyama wrote his main characters in comedic ways for example Arale in Dr slump is a gag character. Toriyama made goku a kind ish gag character until the first tenkaichi budokai arc
In my opinion Goku is still very much framed as the main character, with Yamcha being closer to a parody of the traditional hero.
@@craigyeah1052 that's pretty much what I meant. regardless it's still kinda true toriyama only really decided to cut the retelling of journey to the west aspect of the story short to make goku go train with roshi because he knew martial arts tournaments were popular from dr slump and decided goku's character would be about getting stronger. yamcha in the pilaf saga has implicit and explicit character development which is amazing given it's an arc where the characters are again written more like gag manga characters usually. he even has 2 "goku landing" type moments in the pilaf saga when he saves goku from the rabbit goons and when he arrives in his car to help goku and bulma. sure a bit anticlimactic compared to where goku would end up but hey that fits yamcha a bit so XD
Hercule is anything but useless. He's an important side character in the Cell Saga and responsible for Buu's redemption in the Buu Saga. Befriending him genuinely could've stopped Buu if it wasn't for a guy killing Buu's dog. He's also responsible for Goku having enough energy to kill Kid Buu.
It's thanks to Chiaotzu that Gohan exists since he fixed the tournament matchups to allow ChiChi to survive long enough to fight Goku.
I mean, she probably would have talked to him anyway, the fact that it was during a fight just made it more dramatic
@TheDuckyDino I don't think she would've had another chance to there. Chichi was too angry at Goku for forgetting her to just casually approach him outside of a match and Goku was too concerned with Piccolo to worry about anything else.
As this is the same logic that prevents Yamcha from being the most useless, this makes Chiaotzu more useful than Yamcha. As such, *Oolong* should have been the most useless character, at least among those seen in the video.
Yamcha in DB Games: 🗣️🔥🔥
Yamcha currently: 🤡🤡🤡
Yamaha is actually pretty strong as of current dbs manga
Yamcha currently is Oolong? oO
@@Solrac_6412I think Yamcha was punished by Yenma, because his mistake in his previous life. He was the reason why Dr. Gero created hell fighter 17. I think he at some point had enough with Yenma and fused with broly. Broly's death is canon maybe. He was oolong replacement.
He also pretty decent in baseball cut him some slack
@@Solrac_6412yeah but Is he ever gonna do something?
We also have to figure in that Yamcha's signature move the Wolf fang fist was taught to Gotenks who used it in the Dragon Ball Z movie where Tarble appears. So at least somebody is carrying on the tradition. Also during that movie Yamcha was able to save some people during the destruction of Mr Satan's hotel
The fight for the most useless character spot is mostly brought on by how the story had a revolving door of importance that most characters go in. Basically, the less Toriyama knew what to do with them, the less they do
poor launch, he completely forgot about her.
there is one very importnant thing about yamcha, he did still train throughout all of the series, he just focused more on baseball. he has the ability to destroy earth and yet he has the patience to simply stay calm
its sonic the hedgehog, that bastard didn’t give his energy to goku during the majin buu arc.
jk its obviously roshi’s turtle
I’m glad you mentioned Yamcha not being useless. Yamcha put up a good fight in the early days of the franchise. We just keep getting to many non human power-ups introduced.
You literally uploaded this right as I sat on the toilet. Nice!
get some more fiber in your diet lil bro 🙏🙏🙏
wtf😭😭😭😭😭😭
Ngl nobody needed to know that bro😭🙏
@@zolelwavanqa6745 I did
Did Kefla go to the toilet with you?
Your conclusion is probably both right and reasonable but also it's actually probably Launch/Lunch. Which is a shame because I love her.
Dragon Ball had several characters from the first season where it was a very different premise who end up not having much to do. Ox King, Oolang, Lunch, Puar, and arguably Yamaha all fit into that bill. Really the only characters who continue to stay important are Roshi, Bulma, obviously Goku, and eventually far later Chichi.
@endersdragon34 Krillin and Piccolo stay important generally. Granted almost entirely outgunned from Super Saiyan onward but certainly more important than Bulma or Roshi tend to be. Puar or Oolang are definitely the pick if not for their actions during the first Dragon Ball collection. It always seemed a little odd to me just how minor Ox King is though.
@@swampert564nah Piccolo keeps up until the end of the cell arc
@@FNA27601 Ehhhhhhh kinda, he certainly fights well against 17 and Imperfect Cell but he's clearly outgunned by Cell's evolution. He definitely keeps being useful as an advisor and puts up a nice showing in the Tournament of Power in Super and in Super Hero (love that he got the spotlight) but his power fades fast. He's probably my favorite character in the whole thing but his prominence isn't much for most of it. I suppose he does in fact surpase Super Saiyan 1 for a little bit but I can't really give full marks since it was Vegeta and that dude basically exists to lose. Love the guy and he's badass but man he rarely lives up to his potential.
0:04 When Useless comes to mind, Chiaotzu pops up. Pan did way more in Battle of Gods in Videl's womb (remember whn Videl went Super Saiyan, and was included in the God Ritual?)
Edit: I called it, I knew Chiaotzu was useless to Dragon Ball!
Imagine a literal sperm cell or fetus being more useful.
@@fangzgaming5510 i did the exact same thing Hahaha
i havent watched it and i know its definetly chiaoutzu
No no no choutzu is actually the most important character
@@manveersangha3835 yeah the most useless is Bulma bro
@@Future_Trunks- trunks why you speaking about your mom like that bro
@@Future_Trunks- You basically just called yourself useless with that one
Kidding aside, yeah same. In fact I'd assume most familiar with the series would come to the same conclusion within seconds. It's too obvious.
Bruh thank you for putting out such fun and interesting stuff. Your creativity makes me feel like you'd be a great addition to the DB writer's room. I've seen people making stuff up to par with your quality get jobs within the studios that make the media they talk about.
All said, I REALLY hope you get to contribute to some "What If?" stuff in a game one day. We need more; so much more.
About the Yamcha Cheating thing 2:15:
It’s interesting because this is likely something that Akira simply overlooked, since Trunks had to play a special role and had to be Vegeta’s son, if only to further develop Vegeta’s character. With the sudden introduction of a son, Vegeta had more room to grow, and without having to change his hair to blonde. But now it’s supposedly Yamcha who cheated - the guy with a somewhat perverted streak, sure, but who also has a big romantic side. He’s someone who only has eyes for one woman, whether in the past or even now. As soon as he was with Bulma, he didn’t care about anyone else. When Goku left and told Bulma to give birth to a healthy baby, Yamcha stood there, proud and ready to finally marry Bulma. He’s definitely not the type to just cheat like that. Sure, they had their arguments now and then. But it’s often implied that Bulma tends to overreact. And speaking of Bulma, she’s more the type who would “explore her options” - she was even willing to grab Goku’s “balls” for a Dragon Ball back in the day. She never truly supported Yamcha. Even at the first tournament, she seemed more excited about Jackie Chun than Yamcha just because of the cool name. She idolized General Blue, wondered why she hadn’t ended up with Goku, and back in the classic episodes, struggled with the idea that Yamcha was admired by other women simply because he was good-looking. He hadn’t done anything, yet she was completely jealous and wanted to cut him off just because other women were into him. He didn’t do anything wrong, but she was “jealous as hell.” And now he’s suddenly supposed to be the bad guy? Sure, Bulma is set up as the “good” one here - she can even forgive a mass murderer just like that, despite indirectly causing her ex-boyfriend’s death. But of course, she’s not the villain; Yamcha is the cheater, and … well, we don’t really need him in the series anymore. Bulma is the only available female character, so Vegeta has to settle for her. She’s the only one who can keep him in check, and he’s the only one who can put up with her moods. But still, it all feels very strange.
The voice actors at the time were really baffled and even upset by this turn of events. Yamcha’s voice actor actually wanted to leave the studio because he thought it was ridiculous to suddenly make Yamcha out to be such a jerk. It’s much easier to imagine that Bulma was the one who cheated with Vegeta and that Yamcha took the blame because he was such an over-the-top simp and hopeless romantic. After all, Vegeta is a prince, and that would make Bulma a princess. And we only get this information from Trunks, who probably heard it from Bulma. She certainly wouldn’t tell him she cheated with Vegeta; of course, she’d paint Yamcha as the bad guy. It makes sense in a way.
this is only partly related but it's funny for me to read yamcha's VA took such a strong opposition to yamcha cheating on his gf when this yr he admitted to cheating on his wife for the past 4 yrs (among other things). assuming ur referring to the japanese VA, not american btw
Wait aren't Yamcha, Piccolo, & Vegeta all voiced by Sabat? Personally I like the TFS joke that it was Puar shapeshifted that Bulma walked in on him with.
Personally, I hate the "Ron the Death Eater" treatment Yamcha got because of it. Bulma and Yamcha are clearly still friends for the rest of the manga, Bulma doesn't even bring up any supposed cheating after the 3-year training period. Toriyama even confirms in an interview last decade that Yamcha still has gynophobia (It's so bad that he was fired from his job as a bouncer. Poor dolt). So, given Bulma's tendency to overexaggerate things and Yamcha's history, they could've easily broken up over a misunderstanding (which is honestly pretty funny).
Sadly, some people take this shit way too seriously and always feel the need to bring it up when talking about Yamcha's character. I notice shippers tend to be very serious about it, often leading to him getting mischaracterized as a serial cheater.
Ever since original Dragon Ball, Bulma has been jealous of Yamcha's popularity with other girls. Even though there's never been any actual indication of him flirting/cheating with anyone else, Bulma still accused him of it and constantly attacked him for it. It's probably the same thing here where she saw him in some kind of situation and thought the worst and ended things with him for it. And not that I'm defending cheating, but even if he did, it would make sense considering how badly Bulma treated him a lot of the time, though it doesn't really make sense for his character to really do that anyway.
Chiaotzu may not do much in a fight, but his bond with Tien is adorable and therefore he's not totally useless
Tbf I was expecting Lunch to be there, but when he said Chiaotzu it made a lot of sense
Carthu's hatred for SSJ3 is hysterical 😂
It will *Never* rival my hatred for Blue. 🤣
@@SabeNo-rh7mb I will be honest I actually grown to like Blue in recent years 😭, but SSJG will always be my favourite by far 🔥
Another banger from the goat
What if Yamcha didn't step in, but Krillin got killed and Goku went Super Saiyan there at that point and defeated Nappa and Vegeta.
8:40 and you forgot the most important thing he has done "created earth"
saying all hail yamcha for 12 minutes straight is not a video Carthu
All hail the man who Is my mom's ex and fkn dies alot
@@nateoii 12 minutes to undo 40 years of Yamcha slander makes sense to me.
Now 13 minutes of saying all hail Yamcha? Now that'd be cinema
YES!!! I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR DECADES AT THIS POINT!!! The only reason we go so hard on Yamcha is because he, at least, has the merit of existing in the narrative. I don't even know what to say about Chiaotzu, he is a character... supposedly...
PS : Whoever said Yajirobe was useless, tf are you on talking about the GOAT like that?
No one is useless. They all play a key role in the series.
well except one character LMAO
@@CarthusDojoGOATtzu clears super saiyan blue gogeta
@@CarthusDojoStill important in my heart. 😢
Except for Chiatzu
@@CarthusDojo HEY Chiatzu has SOME USE! He's a GREAT human shield for Tien.
2:28 I mean, that's secondhand information from Future Bulma; who also told Future Trunks that Vegeta had a good side, yet was surprised when Trunks told her that she was right about Vegeta after he returned.
I'm of two minds with that scene: on one hand, it is Toriyama's way to explain to the audience (and Goku, of course) that is why Bulma ends up with Vegeta and why Trunks even exist. So from viewpoint, it is the canon reason and that Yamcha did cheat. On the other hand, from an in-universe perspective where Bulma's track record of being overreactive, I'm willing to think Trunks is just repeating what his mom likely would've said. Not only that, but it makes little sense for Yamcha as a character to cheat on Bulma. He's gotten cocky during fights, sure, but that wouldn't equate to cheating. Even the Japanese voice actors for Yamcha and Bulma (and I think Vegeta too?) expressed how little it made sense when that first got brought up.
@@CSwizzleDizzle We actually do get to see their break-up in the OG DB manga. Long story short, Goku, Bulma and Yamcha went to an amusement park. In there a RR army mook accosted Yamcha, however, from Bulma's point of view, it looked like they were kissing. Yamcha tried to explain this but Bulma wouldn't listen.
@@toumabyakuya That's not in the manga though. That was anime filler where the Red Ribbon hired a thief named Hasky and her cronies.
@@CSwizzleDizzle Really? Then I suppose it was a good filler, then.
ive read that toriyama told yamchas voice actor that yea he really did cheat on her
Imagine if Goku and Hit (who was introduced in the universe six tounement) didn’t say a single line to each other until the TOP where Goku tells CABBA “ Hey, tell HiT I think his time skip ability is cool” and then Cabba relays that message once he loses and he’s in the stands
2:29 That’s still an allegation. We don’t know Yamcha’s side of the story. My dude Yamcha is innocent until proven guilty! 🧐
That's the thing though, the only side of the story we have is Trunk's. A guy who never met yamcha before time traveling, and is going purely off his mothers side of the story. Anybody who's actually aware of Bulma and Yamcha's relationship would call cap so fast, especially with Bulma's streak of calling Yamcha a cheater anytime a girl so much as looked at him.
I swear Toriyama just straight up forgot Chiaotzu existed.
Krillin and Gohan were such an amazing duo. Like father like Son Gohan.
“Stop picking on Yamcha”
- “Never!”
Oh no! Yamcha’s been Yamcha’d!
no joke, Chiaotzu got his most useful moment in the moro arc of all places by insulting that prisoner metal-man which basically won them that fight.
chiaotzu only contribution is basically being teins modivation to train. when he dies we usually see tein get really pissed
Yamcha is badass in his own right, yeah he's not one of the strongest like Goku or Vegeta but he's still strong and he is the reason why the others didn't die from the saibamen like he did.
And it sickens me how the fan base disrespects him and bootlick Vegeta!
@@Prince-Shogun It sickens me too and while Yamcha's death pose is a classic meme and even shows up in different medias especially in dokkan battle, he doesn't deserve that disrespect
I really hate the whole Yamcha cheated on Bulma thing. It's insanely out of character for Yamcha do to and was obviously made just to give Bulma a symphetetic reason to break up with Yamcha. Yamcha was done dirty
Don’t forget, Bulma was definitely for the streets in Dbz
As much as we all respect the man, Toriyama was not good at writing relationship stuff. Yamcha cheating on Bulma is a very Toriyama gag that sidesteps having to come up with a relationship arc that leads to them splitting up that is compelling and believable.
Bulma p much said Yamcha was already cheating on her in the saiyan arc. According to the kakarot game it was a misunderstanding but it’s still not hard to believe imo; bulma and Yamcha never had much reason to like each other anyway “but he was afraid of women tho” and then he got over it and became cocky, it’s rlly not that crazy
@@MINTY_FNyeah I don't hate yamcha but bulma is for the steeeeeets
@@tiablue9106I doubt He did get over it and Yamcha is not arrogant its not in his character lol.
A kid dressed like a traditional doll is useless. What a surprise. No one is even expecting much from him in the first place. Unlike with Yamcha and Ten, people expected them to step up, but they failed. In short, we had zero expectations of Chaozu, so him doing close to nothing is not really an issue.
I couldve sworn his lore was like that he was a vampire emperor who went to train at the crane school??? or maybe budokai tenkaichi 1 made that up its been a while
*Carthu Exists*
All the Meme Loyalists: *You Are Our Mortal Enemy."*
10:11 technically Vegeta’s sacrifice delayed Babidi and Buu’s rampage. That delay gave Goku time to wake up, gather everyone on the lookout, earn Goten and Trunks’ respect and convince buu to wait for Gotenks. Which leads to Buutenks, Buuhan and Vegetto, and eventually the separation of Mr Buu from Kid Buu. With Mr Buu buying time in the Kid buu fight as well as being a dai kaio conduit in the Moro arc.
Goku not even speaking to Chiaotzu is wild 😦 Never even occurred to me.
Im so happy ma boi Yamcha is getting SOME respect...
@@UG3017 That Saibaman death pose ruined his rep, and Abridged made it even worse.
i dunno the "respect" he got here was that he gets his ass kicked so hard that it was a warning for others multiple times, he loses his girl to some guy that was the reason he died. does not seem like he is respected by anyone
6:45 Bean Daddy 😎
Dbza reference?
Yajirobe is kinda the reason Future Trunks’ timeline went to hell if we’re being honest here
People who think Yamcha would never cheated on Bulma have clearly never played the side-quests in Kakarot. Yamcha literally goes out with ten girls a day bro
The little white thingy with tien
He already talked about chiaotzu it’s the last one
The cum stain
the pokemon?
Love your videos!
Thanks so much 🙏🏻
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@@Kid_Buu魔 MASENKO
@@Future_Trunks- Kamehameha!!
9:41 And...the fact that Tien also possesses telekinesis makes him also replaceable in this situation.
These kind of videos is what still keeps me alive
@@ZeissWorld im gonna touch you while your sleeping.
Love your videos man keep up the good work
Yamcha is such a great character. He has cool unique moves like the Wolf Fang Fist and the Soukidan, he actually feels like a martial artist on himself to improve, and the damage he takes helped the villains looked terrifying, from being blown up by the Saibamen to the oh so scary shot of Dr. Gero impaling him. That terrified me as a kid.
3:48 im confused about this, is it not anymore. I’m rather new to the dragon ball fandom but how is it not?
Manga is the main cannon, but at the time we only had anime so he has the main canon at the time
@John-sy6rs oh ok, thanks alot that makes sense, I didn't realize the manga changed anything
@@godofmisfortune992 manga change a LOT of things in super, its really good, i recommend read If you want, i think its all online
@@John-sy6rs
Was just about to ask this. Big thanks!
@@John-sy6rsthat makes more sense
I forgot how useless the last pick really was
I'm surprised Goten & Trunks & by extension, Gotenks wasn't even considered here cause all they do is waste everyone's time
At least they held off Buu long enough for Gohan to arrive
@Gogeta-plushie They could've killed him at many points throughout, which would have saved a lot of time & lives
Hell, Goten even *acknowledged* that fact
@@BardockSkywalkerNot that many lives given earth's population had already been wiped out. But I know what you mean. To be fair they were kids, and they didn't mess up nearly as badly as say, Goku and Vegeta in that same saga.
I was SCREAMING Chiaotzu at my monitor LONG before you ever revealed it was him. XD
I was waiting the ENTIRE video for Chiaotzu