I Was Wrong About X-Men '97
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0:00 Introduction
1:30 Contextualising
2:47 The Show
4:30 Not The Show
9:50 Conclusion
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You know that the Fall Guy movie gut it's concept from the Japanese movie 1% Warrior ,(1 percenter) right?
To any fans who are not watching X-Men 97 i say good riddance! Tired of salty fanboys and fangirls getting triggered over trivial issues. Because the reality is that the mutant narrative has always been about racism. Along with that, they have always dealt with all types of bigotry. So, I fail to see why some "fans" are upset with the context of the series.
They aren't even fans. They are rage-baiters who know angry videos drives traffic and make thousands of dollars from RUclips feeding off angry (usually white) men.
They jumped ship when realised the show is universally acclaimed and faced strong pushback which would've caused drop in views and therefore ad revenue
Because they've fallen for the anti-woke grift propagated by far-right organizations and sympathizers.
I'm all for the racial allegory, but the writing on this cartoon is still pretty terrible.
@@Borodin410Guess you’re in the minority then
@@Borodin410everyone’s welcome to having a bad take.
Best hilarious jab at Fox's X-Men live action:
Cyclops: "Almost forgot!" *gives X-Men uniform to his son*
Cable: "Am I going to war or a circus?"
Cyclops: "What did you expect? Black leather?"
Nearly stood up and applauded.
It was terrible pandering
@@nalday2534 what?
@@theamazingspooderman2697 what part of that was hard to understand
@nalday2534 hey man even bad opinions are valid
I never thought cyclops was cool Until this show. I have been sleeping on him
The show made him cool.
@@loner1878he’s been cool for more than 50 years. But he’s definitely had ups AND downs.
@@crispyguilt1Fox xmen did him dirty.
Same. I was never a fan of him in the original animated series, and he was practically a nothing in the original x-men movies and that kind of stuck with me. He just seemed like the typical one-dimensional boy scout character with no subtlety or nuance. The first episode did more to make him interesting than the last 30 years of TV and movies.
You have been sleeping *on* him?
I'm extremely jealous.
Scott is hot AF 😂
This is one of those things where being wrong doesn't matter, because either way we got a great X men show and that leaves people with something to be happy about. I had VERY low expectations for this going in, and I am so glad I was wrong myself. Im sure all of us are.
Edit: Personally I think of this as more than a continuation of the original cartoon, I see it as a love letter from people that watched the show, loved it, and was so passionate about it that they wanted to see these stories and characters they loved taken to their utmost potential and depth.
This is what we should aspire to when it comes to sequels/adaptations etc. It doesn't matter if they're straight continuations or not, what matters is that they're made by people with a passion for the source material and something interesting to say or do with it.
Honestly, that second paragraph is how I think *every studio* should approach continuations/revivals. Have people that grew up with and hold a special place in their heart for the original.
Like, there are so many talented artists who were *inspired directly by certain series* to even begin their craft. Give those talents the chance to uphold the memory of the thing to start it all for them, and you almost guarantee success
@@Kurotama11 yeah that’s exactly how I feel. Passion should be the driving force behind Hollywood, and honestly art in general, like it has been so many times before. The way I see it, there are always going to be people that love and feel so passionate about something that they lose sleep over it, they dream of it, it consumes their every thought like some Oppenheimer type shit, and that’s the kind of people we need to be making this stuff.
Yes! The brief moments when they had to put backstory in the dialogue was like (yeah, we know to people who watched the original) a quick rundown to a new audience to catch them up. It didn’t alienate either audience of adults who watched this as a kid or younger ones who never seen it before. It’s for everyone. A universal story of being “other” and hated for it as well as what it means to be a family, love, and the pain of grief. As an adult who watched this as a child, people who became parents feel the weight of this show on a deeper level with the development of Scott, Jean, Madelyn, and Cable’s relationship. What they managed to do in 10 episodes was tremendous and I can’t wait until season Two and beyond!
It's a proper continuation of the 92 show.
The biggest problem with X-Men 97 is that it sets an impossibly high bar for Disney when they eventually try an introduce their own version into the MCU.
The poet Robert Duncan liked the make the case that, in the end, there is no such thing as “originality,” at least not in any distinct, independent, somehow separated from influences sense. That, instead, originality always stems from the unique confluence of various influences upon a creative, and how said creative responds to and uses them. And that non-originality stems from either resisting the inherent uniqueness of that confluence, or in denying the sheer fact of confluence.
I do think that the spectrum you mention is still dealing with the weight of an industry that simply does not feel comfortable touching anything without an established brand attached-even if the story itself is technically “original”
In this series you’re getting the gravity of “Great Replacement Theory” and “The Final Solution “ preached by Bastion. This is the best way to show the horrors of both.
In trying to fight the perception that humans are being replaced, he strips everything that makes humans human turning them into the very monsters he fears mutants to be. It's chef's kiss.
As a long time X-Men fan and fan of the original series even though I wasn't born when the show was around, but HOLY S*** THIS SERIES IS EX-CEPTIONAL. No joke this series is so masterfully well written, phenomenal animation and truly compelling characters and deep dark themes that puts the Fox X-Men movies to shame. Truthfully this series is some of the *BEST MARVEL MEDIA WEVE SEEN EVER SINCE ENDGAME* (except GOTG3 and Loki)!
Compared to how phenomenal this series is the Fox movies seemed like amateur student films with such a bare-bone understanding of how truly incredible and insane the X-Men stories can be when you truly hire people that care about these amazing characters.
"No way home" got me good... blindsided me with several gutpunches.
I'm all for the racial allegory, but the writing on this cartoon is still pretty terrible.
@@Borodin410that didn’t even make sense as a response to the comment. Now I know you’re a bot.
@crispyguilt1 probably a fan of the Quartering.
Dude said it sucked before it even came out.
@@crispyguilt1He most likely copy pasted his reply from another reply section
Xmen 97 is pretty good. I feel like a kid watching it and surprised they brought things from the comics that i thought would never be adapted.
Everything is based on something.
Even the few ideas i am working on are based on ideas that are based on obscured historical documents.
I can't believe they found a streamlined but only slightly less confusing way to adapt Bastion.
I think when people complain about the overreliance on existing IP, they're largely complaining about the overreliance on already (arguably) overutilized IP.
Based on a book or not, there's only been one Oppenheimer movie. And probably really only one Barbie movie, setting aside direct-to-video animated pap made with no higher artistic ambition than selling cheap plastic dolls.
There have been ten Batman movies. Eight Spider-Man movies. 33 MCU movies. (In 16 years. There haven't even been that many Bond movies. Since the 60s).
Start lumping these together into bigger categories like DC and Marvel and the numbers become mind-boggling.
A lot of this is more trends than necessarily overusing IP I’d say….atleast once you get into the more general categorizations like “MCU movies” or “Comic Book Movies”
We just happen to have been in a phase where super hero adaptations were the popular thing….and Marvel just so happened to hit a goldmine by perfecting the idea of a cinematic *universe* . This is the only thing that allowed for such a heavy influx of content all heavily related to each other.
you seem to struggle with accepting that there are good marvel movies and bad marvel movies. the good ones aren't good because they're marvel movies, and the bad ones aren't bad because they're marvel movies. it's the individual qualities of the films that determines their worthiness.
Member berries
Ther are lots of barbie movies .
like, in terms of adaptations, the X-Men have a LOT of unexplored material.
Just gonna say it - best Marvel cartoon since Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Which is a high bar, but to be fair the original X-Men cartoon is one of the few Marvel shows to clear that bar.
I agree
Originality matters far less than most people think.
what is originality the word is used a lot but does anyone know what it means ?
there are hundreds of original ideas out there (the movie if as an example ) they just don't have the massive fan bases old franchises have
All films, books..are at the end based or inspired in another that came before, and the first fictional story probably was based on reality, nothing is 100% original, real life, other books etc, life experiences are the bone of the stories
I mean, the infamous Red Wedding was based in a real event, the Faith of the Seven is fictional Christianity and Pluto's (dog) name seems to be in honor of the discovery of Pluto (ex-planet) whose name comes from Pluto (roman God) that is Hades (Greek god) etc etc
@@bouel2709thats just a bad statement. What is easy rider (1969) based on?
@@SouthizedWell, that’s easy. It’s based on the communal hippie subculture that was prevalent in 1960’s America. It was also a spiritual successor to Hopper and Fonda’s last collaborative film before it, The Trip. Peter Fonda has also explicitly said it’s based off Westerns, and is supposed to be a modern take on the genre.
@@patonebloont8824 sorry i misread your statement i thought i read that no film can he made without a book story that came before. Buy one film that is 100% real life is sound of freedom
Shakespeare only wrote two, maybe three wholly "original" plays (not directly adapted from historical sources or existing stories), The Tempest, Love's Labour's Lost, and A Midsummer Night's Dream. The idea that originality can only be expressed through new IPs is a modern expectation set by how absolutely awful and generic most Hollywood films have become. Nobody rags on The Godfather or Jaws for being book adaptations. The issue is with motivation and execution. The Disney live action remakes of animated classics is a perfect example of film as pure commodity, designed just to hit the beats you remember, adjust it to modern sensibilities, and make sure there's something in it to attract every demographic. Great stories don't have to come from a wholly novel idea, they just have to have a reason to exist beyond making gobs of money and good execution. X-Men '97 is a great example of this approach.
Shakespeare is a great example because there’s also been so many stagings of his plays. Thousands of actors have played Hamlet, yet no one bats an eye or questions the prestige of that role. Meanwhile, we can’t fathom recasting RDJ as Iron Man.
Also as a shakespeare nerd this is such a good analogy because if anybody actually claimed there were only 3 original shakespeare plays, that would be a WILD claim, like absolutely batshit insane, and it's the same here
X-men'97 is a great example of how everyone tends to miss the point about these things (by which I mean the wave of "anti-adaptation hate.") It's not that you hate adaptations because "they are unoriginal" and "hollywood is out of ideas", it's that these things just haven't been given the love and care needed to make something good.
Or the more obvious one: You didn't understand the original work anyway, and the adaptation pulling from it, sometimes even recreating story bits beat by beat, showing it full force and making you think with your now adult brain rubs you the wrong way, so you created some delusions about how "tainted" it is now when it's just forcing you to actually look at the IP you only looked at as a 12 year old one time with an adult mindset.
The finale of X-Men 97 Season 1 was pure unadulterated awesomeness and I look forward for Season 2.
With Apocalypse as the new main antagonist and En Sabah Nur as an unlikely ally of the time displaced X-Men!
Facts 💯
That would be a neat trick, having Apocalypse oppose himself.
Actually more likely Kang is the one controlling everything.
At the end, he listed all the X-Men he talked about: Nightcrawler, Rogue, Wolverine...
But he didn't say the card guy's name. Did he not remember it?
I hope he’d remember it, those were literally Gambit’s last words. ‘The name’s Gambit, mon ami. Remember it’.
Intellectual humility. Impressive. Rare.
hindsight is always 20/20
My favorite are the crybabies who cry about the woke X-men being woke. 😂
Are they really X-Men fans? Have they ever seen the movies, watched the cartoons, or read the comics? Do they know what the word "woke" means?
@@kittycatmeowmeow963they probably watched the series or even read the comics, they just decided to not acknowledge or wanting to go more deeper what the X-Men wanting to say they just saw heroes fighting bad guys and when reality hits that x men is trying to tell something they don't like it, they aren't really fans they're just readers
@@kittycatmeowmeow963 "If everything is woke... then nothing is."
-- Some guy in spandex tights.
calling something woke and being angry makes them feel like big strong men lol
theres not much "woke" about this show though.
this video got so meta and i loved it man, the overarching analysis of how art imitates and is constantly commenting on itself. so true! feels like this season managed to manage a meta commentary about the x-men and what they originally stood for and made it authentic while imbuing it with a new soul. it’s like art is just hats on hats on hats
What a phenomenal season of Marvel Television! This season and finale were absolutely incredible, and it really had it all! Great writing, jaw-dropping animation, masterful music, amazing voice acting performances, brilliant pacing, respect for the original source material/90s animated series, and lots of fun/really cool Cameos and Easter Eggs for the fans to enjoy! I'm so excited/hyped for Season 2 and will be counting down the days! This finale and the whole season get a 100/10 from me!
All the people who said this would be another woke, bad show really shut up after this. It's clear that these people care more about pointing this they disagree with and not what is wrong with the show. It feels as if they assume every piece of media will be bad so they call it woke beforehand so after they can say AHAH I was right.
A single clip of Scott Summers in a warehouse made me aware/interested in X-Men again. Thank you instagram reels🙏The way they are adapting things make me excited for Age of Apocalypse, but also to Feral Wolverine, Onslaught and Death of The X-Men too, which are all story arcs I didn’t originally enjoy
Man, I feel a little bad for the Fall Guy because I loved the hell out of the movie, and it was so very clearly a love letter from a director who worked his way up from being a stunt man himself and so much more than just a reboot of the classic series. But at the same time a love letter to that classic series for being an inspiration for so many stunt workers themselves.
Fantastic cheeky 4th wall meta commentary, tons of excellent set up and payoff gags, and just charming characters all around. And an honestly sweet emotional core.
So excited to see you covering more stuff I’m into.
I think that the trick was, that X-men 97 was a direct continuation instead of an adaption or reboot. which means that they could to later season storylines in season 1 instead of bogging things down with origin stories and starter villains.
Love x men 97, hope they bought back spiderman 98
So, PoG. Now that we've established that you're actually clairvoyant, what did you think of the second season of Andor?
it was pretty good but all the full frontal felt a little gratuitous
It came out?!
@@arbitariousNope, joke is that he can predict the future so he's making a joking prediction
@@PillarofGarbage And that shaved Wookiee wearing aviators and angrily declaring all the historical interpretations wrong in Luthen's shop was definitely based on TCD - even I thought it was a bit much.
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Thoughts on making a video recounting Sabertooth's midsdeeds?
I heard once only 12 notes is used to make most of music and I feel that how much creative works are nothing is in a vacuum what makes something creative is how they're use
Despite my gripes with the finale of the season, the overall show is fuckn awesome and much better than anything I would have hoped from marvel studios or even from a continuation of the og show. '97 sweep, essentially.
and to your more general point about adaptation, we overestimate how original various stories are. Every story is a mosiac of inspirations and retellings of other stories, and it would do us well to remember that.
What are your gripes about the finale
the finale is underwhelming after the great setup in episodes 8-9
Next The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Season 3 Maybe It Can Be Called The Avengers: Beyond Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Because Marvel Calls The Avengers That Name
1:50 - I think that most people complaining about "too many reboots" don't actually have a full understanding of film/TV history; it's always been dependent on remakes. It's just a real lazy way to say "I don't like that they're remaking this, they should make stuff that *I* want them to make"
To your credit, there was a basis for your statements. In regards to originality vs adaption, it’s always gonna be debatable with merits on both sides. In the case of the X-Men, they are flexible enough where they can handle both rather well, so long as you keep the core of the characters.
Feels like this guy just took 12 minutes to say a reboot showed him he needs to reboot his ideas on how he judges media
Its not a reboot, its a continutiation
@@marocat4749it’s both
I heard it said when "300" came out the adapting a graphic novel is different from making a film using a superhero from an established IP. You don't make "the" Superman movie. You can only make "a" Superman movie. Every reboot or reimagining is equally valid, and "original" in its own way.
You and I had a very similar thought, followed by pleasant surprise, when finally watching the show. Episode 5 is just one of the best tv episodes I have watched, not just in the realm of animation. The show transcends it's source material to write out very interesting storyline based on comic book ones. So happy to have a show like this that cares about telling a good story and not just fluffing fan service.
It’s kinda depressing that at this stage in media saturation even though I’m genuinely excited that X-men has a successful 2D animated show in 2024 and with all the positive buzz it’s getting I can’t wait to watch it even still there’s a part of me that’s like “ughhh, more stuff to watch” and it’ll probably still be a few months before I can force myself to actually sit down and watch it. I felt the same way with Invincible season 2, why’s it getting to the point where even good tv is starting to feel like a chore? Is this what being old feels like?
Hedonistic adaptation. The more you become used to something, the less it starts to mean to you (even if the experience itself is inherently amazing and special).
One old guy to the next...Don't wait. I agree about other cool shows seeming like a chore, too. This made me feel like a kid at Christmas, though -I just had to open the next episode.
Prepare for a life of watching NCIS and Blue Bloods on repeat. And I do mean repeat as your dementia will force you to forget the past 40 minutes of the episode you just watched, and much to your family’s dismay, you start the episode all over again.
It's not like you're being forced to watch any of those shows. You *choose* to do that, so I don't understand how it's a chore when you actively make a *choice* to watch a show. You don't *have* to watch any of those shows if you don't want to, and if you do then you can watch them on your own timetable. It's really not that deep or serious.
@@onyx081 I guess that’s what I’m saying is that at this point I almost feel like to participate in culture there is the expectation to have at least a passing familiarity with all current media to the degree that watching or at least researching everything that comes out isn’t optional
That end credits version of the 90s show rocked!
As a die hard X-Men who was repeatedly let down by everything Marvel did to this team in the wake of Singer, I had high hopes the minute it was announced and this is exactly the X-Men I've been missing for decades.
I remember the old show like some goofy old friend who told good stories with a lot of heart. Seeing '97 was like reuniting with that friend, finding him grown up with his immature tendencies ironed out, but in all the ways it counts, it's the same friend I remembered.
Beau DeMayo is the best X-Men fan since Chris Claremont.
I appreciate the puns u did in the beginning of this video I found them humorous
why is the mic quality from your video 1 year ago better than the one now?
same mic. a huge part of vo sound quality comes down to the environment you have to record in, and my living conditions have changed since then.
@@PillarofGarbage fairs
i never notice it being bad while watching your videos normally btw, only realized its worse when you stitched in the older clip
I had heard from Overly Sarcastic Production that the Arthurian poets were essentially fanfiction writers. With the characters Gawain, Lancelot, and the third one I can't be fucked to remember, being OCs of a different poet and being tacked on with a new story.
So to dumb it down for you what he’s saying is he thought it was going to be ass because it’s a re adaptation/revival but instead it was the same but not at all and was like a full blast of fent every episode because Xmen 97 was and is amazing more to come 😭
Cal Dodd and Lenore Zann still got it as Wolverine and Rogue respectively and it fits them like a glove.
Also George Buza as Beast.
I mean, it's a wonderful feeling to expect something to be awful but it to come out fantastic. When you realize you're wrong but you're happy about it.
By eight mins in im alrdy thinkin of how countless stories are rly just retellin the heroes journey from the epic of gilgamesh... Prty much "the first story" for a lot of europeans anyways and many of those colonised by such in many places; but also for many other regions beyond there in afro-eurasia
This series is the one Studio Mir show I haven't seen yet. Does it make sense if you haven't seen the 90s X-Men toon?
yes, you might be momentarily confused a couple of times, but you’re totally able to go in fresh
Lets just hope it stays consistent in quality because i heard the guy in charge got canned
I've heard that they did most of the writing in the next season, so it seems like we are safe for now
3:35 this is exactly what the TAS did too. in 2024, they did FATAL ATTRACTION with rouge instead of colossus, in 92l they did DAYS OF FUTURE PAST with bishop instead of kitty. it lives up to TAS's legacy of adapting the comics.
An interesting thought occurred to me when you made your point about the film landscape not being improved by getting rid of adaptations. Since before even action comics issue one released, the general public has thought of comic books as "kids stuff", and has written them off entirely. But comics, especially superhero comics, have always been full of immensely moving stories. Hell, there are even people who would go so far as to suggest that comics are the American equivalent to Greek mythology, heroes like superman and batman being our Hercules and Odysseus.
And until very recently, no one who didn't read comics believed that they were anything more than kids stuff. Most people thought batman was as goofy as the Adam west version until the Tim Burton film came out. And because of the almost hundred years of writting off these stories, even people who enjoy them still subconsciously seem to write them off as a passing fad.
In 1991, sandman issue 19 won the world fantasy award, beating out more traditional novels and short stories, and instead of admiting that this was a new form new form of literature just coming out of its infancy, they introduced a comic book only division so they could still pretend that these stories were lesser.
Even today, people have been prophesying an immenent "superhero fatigue" since the first avengers movie came out, as if these weren't good stories (not every superhero flick is good, obviously, I'm just speaking broadly) but merely a fad that will pass and then we can get back to "real cinema".
And yet, everytime it seems that might just be the case, something new (at least to the general public) and amazing, just like x men 97, comes along and grabs our attention yet again, like the oddessy following the Iliad.
All this to say that while we should still have unique and original films, there is nothing wrong with bringing an amazing and moving story to a whole new audience, and if there were, they wouldn't be so popular. After all, let's not pretend that the first thing Hollywood does everytime film technology advances isn't make another adaptation of robin hood.
The x men are the future of the mcu
"They are the future incarnated!"
I grew up with my uncles who idolised Lee Majors talking about The Fall Guy all the time, so even though I'd never seen it, I knew about the property pretty well. Come to find out that in general it's mostly forgotten.
I decided to watch the entire 90s series in preparation for ‘97, and I just so happened to catch up right after the release of episode 5. Lemme tell ya, the gut punch I got from that was absolutely unparalleled. The decision to put that right after a damn MOJO EPISODE certainly had an effect too.
I was worried about that too. I feel like xmen needed it less than Spider-Man at least and left of at a decent place, but despite that and ignoring magneto x rogue I think it was great.
Perhaps work stands on its own and the source doesn’t matter that much once we’ve actually seen it.
The Green Knight is actually a reboot too. Check out "Sword of the Valiant" 1984.
I was just like you i originally dismissed this masterpiece as marvel just a cashgrab banking on nostalgia and wasnt gonna watch it. But luckily i saw the seen with cyclops and and the x-cutioner on twitter and it motivated me to give this show a shot. I think the lesson i learned is that while no piece of media "deserves" to be given a chance if the premise doesnt immediately interest you. I shouldnt be so quick to dismiss a show as just a cashgrab before even the first episode comes out because who knows it might become one of your favorite show ever.
I remember when James Cameron's Avatar came out, and a lot of people complained that the plot was unoriginal.
Whatever else you think about that movie, that criticism always bugged me. The Hero With A Thousand Faces and the monomyth show that most plots are unoriginal. Many stories are some kind of hero's journey and the "gone native" story is just a variant of that.
If a movie is bad or good, that is unrelated to the originality or lack of originality in the plot.
PS - one of my favorite underrated films is Smoke Signals, an indie film by native Americans. That story is a coming of age story, one of the most unoriginal plots imaginable.
I watched a green night film when I was a kid. Did not even know about the new remake
I haven't seen the final episode yet. Does he spoil the final episode?
nah
he barely even talks about the show at all
@@BradTheDead Yeah, I know that now. But he warned about season spoilers and I just wanted to make sure it didn't ruin the final episode.
Great point.
It does do an awesome job linking a series of disparate comic stories into a more cohesive narrative through-line, but I do think this video massively overstates how much X-Men '97 tells a different story form the comics. Despite being a video about how originality is made-up and nothing is truly original, and that's more about vibes than anything, it kinda tries to justify all the ways that '97 is "original", when really it is mostly *just* vibes. '97 is an incredibly faithful adaptation of X-Men comics. I would argue that's WHY it's so good. X-Men comics are amazing! It's just that nobody reads comics and that's a shame.
What does "originality hierarchy" mean/do? Who made it?
Btw, I am stuffed as the word salad is TREMENDOUS, Elaine ordered 97 (the 98th was cancelled).
One thing people don’t bring up is how much more censorship there was in the 90’s.
In some cases I’d be one of those fanboys but as someone who introduced to the X-men from the single episode Pryde of the X-men*
*this was the one where Wolverine had an Australian accent.
cant blame him, that long ago thinking some good classic X-Men stuff would happen was scarce and grim. thank goodness that we actually got X-blessed : D
I mean mokngirl and devil dinosaur were pretty good and also set a precident for marvel projects too
I loved x men 97 but I hope that we also get a continuation of wolverine and the x men
So here’s my wacky two cents
To the people complaining that “Sten Lee didn’t create a WOKE X-Men” well here the thing he created the comic book but it was bland and he didn’t know what to do with them. It also had lackluster sales
Here comes Chris Claremont he put Storm in and started writing then the book started flying off the shelves. Why? Because the characters were relatable to the reader like Peter Parker was relatable to straight men in high school pining for the girl he likes.
What Marvel comic books has over DC, comic books is that their characters are way relatable compared to characters like Batman, Superman or wonder,
By the way Doctor Strange was canceled multiples times as was Thor and just in case people think they only did it to miss Marvel/Captain Marvel Carol, Danvers
Night
Good artists create
Great artists adapt
The Fast and Furious franchise is 100% original. I wouldn't call that the antithesis of the death of cinema
Im from the past, and im excited for xmen 97
I should say while Kelvinverse reboot brought back a lot of the same storylines... the best of the bunch was Star Trek Beyond where kind of threw out the formula they'd been operating off of. Reboots and retellings are at their most successful when they get creative with it and mess with the formula.
Star Trek Beyond is so much fun
Honestly, none of these distinctions matter. If a movie or show is good, then it's good. Doesn't matter if it has some vague connection to a previous thing, as long as its ideas and execution are good, that should be all that matters.
Baiting me in with the X-Men title and it's a Green Knight video :p
I like how you do not talk about X men at all except the very beginning and the very end.
Yea is it me or is this guy just rambling about everything except the actual subject matter? I don’t think he even read the comics or watch the original TAS series, just regurgitate source material here and there for lip service then goes on about media, social politics, etc
Call me a sap, but this show had me tearing up multiple times out of sheer joy. I'm 44, and this brought me back to middle school. I can't thank them enough for making this.
I mean every work out there has an influence, if you go by such an extreme criteria that literally nothing is original.
I think of it this way: Sometimes, you get trash like _The Mummy_ (2017), _Oldboy_ (2013), _Psycho_ (1998)_ or _Ben-Hur_ (2016); other times, you get _The Mummy_ (1999), _The Fly_ (1986), _The Thing_ (1982), or _The Ten Commandments_ (1956). Hell, that last one was done by *the same director,* because he thought his work could be improved.
I understand the concern towards remakes being lazy cash grabs meant to invoke nostalgia, but there's always the chance that the people involved want to see that property given justice, instead of being a cynical marketing ploy. So yeah, while it's possible that you could be hit with a _Godzilla_ (1998) or the _Godzilla_ anime trilogy (2017-18)… you could also be blasted by a _Shin Godzilla_ (2016) or _Godzilla Minus One_ (2023). I just think that everyone should temper their expectations until they actually get the chance to know more about that remake-or preferably, actually watch it.
Have you seen the original _The Thing_ or _The Fly?_ Or the original 1932 _The Mummy_ or its first 1959 remake? They're overall pretty bland and boring b-movies imho, so there was lots of room for improvement on what's otherwise a good story idea. Well, they're still pretty fun in their own b-movie way, but you know what I mean. Slow pacing, filler dialogue unrelated to the plot, shoddy vfx, etc. In the end they're dime-a-dozen creature features made to make out to in the drive-in movie theatre.
_Ben Hur, Psycho_ and _Oldboy_ are classics in their own right. It's really hard to improve on an idea that's already well executed and memorable to the point it has become iconic. These are the kind of movies used as examples in film school.
It's not impossible to remake a real classic like that but the bar is already set high, and it's gonna be hard to escape nostalgia for the original. Those expectations aren't entirely unreasonable, nor should failure to meet them come as a surprise really. I mean the track record thus far isn't great either.
On the other hand, it's a real nice feeling to expect little to nothing and be proven wrong. It doesn't happen a lot but still. I think it's more about creativity and artistic vision anyway. Take the Disney remakes. None of them have even come close to becoming cultural icons like the originals. They're utterly forgettable. Meanwhile Guillermo del Toro made the best _Pinocchio_ since the Disney animation because he ignored every interpretation that came before, and made the story his own.
So yea, I agree, with the caveat that not all remakes start off on equal footing.
You forgot DUNE as an inspiration to Star Wars, but okay... Nice video, dude, fr. It has a really good point, and made me realize I must watch X-Men '97 as soon as possible
I loved listenin' to x-position! And personally, like most of my future reactions I give a strong, resounding "huh!" I didn't really care for X-Men '97. But after the trailers landed, the first episode aired, I just gave it a try. Many still don't care for it since the old show did just fine. Others have had it. But time heals old wounds. Or we just move on!
Ok, this great as per usual video went to many places (for good reasons I should add) but yes, we need great works of storytelling, ideally as new as possible, but I for one will take something that loses in originality if it's really that good.
As for "Xmen '97", I will say that it's one of the best things MCU-related in a while. I'm in the "finding or trying to find something to enjoy in most post-Endgame!MCU" camp, but "Xmen '97" really grew up in those 30 years!
In any case, keep up the great work and take care!
5:00 *head desk* So we actually have NOTHING original this year.
No shame, but I totally agreed with your video in the past. And I'm also happily watching the show now!
It’s funny that the ppl talking the most about this show weren’t even conceived if you are post 1996 just say you like it or you don’t because unless you’ve painstakingly went through decades worth of source material and have a informed critique like😅 what are we talking about here
I had zero interest in 97. just thought it was more nostalgia milking. then I watched the first episode and very happy to be wrong. my 9 year old daughter watches it with me and now Rogue is her new favorite character
Personally, I view a work through its quality, not through what it is. Just because something is a remake, a reboot, an adaptation or a sequel, doesn't automatically make something good or bad. It simply exists, and the quality of the work is what changes it into being something good or something bad. Like, sure if an adaptation of something I've read is announced, I might be a little curious, but if I then see the trailer and see that it's not a good adaptation, I won't watch it. Not because it's an adaptation, but because it's a /bad/ adaptation. View the work on its' own terms.
Im only a fan of the X-Men comics so I had 0 expectations.
This show blew me away, it had no business being THAT GOOD. They got the spirit of Claremont’s X-Men characters exactly right.
I thought the ending was a bit rushed. Other than that, it was a great series
yeah but bastion is if we're being honest is not dead. more than likely he ended up in a future where sentinels rule and he'll be back... with hundreds of nimrods
Let's just be completely transparent, even fans who were on board and excited for a simple continuation were totally surprised by just how good X-Men 97 was. This is the type of thing that makes you go "oh...yeah, this is why I'm a comic book fan."
OR, maybe reboots deboots remakes inspired by original etc etc etc doesn't matter at all and we just want something that's good.
I have always rejected the idea that a reboot or remake or sequel or prequel is automatically unoriginal. You could make every movie for an entire year a Star Wars movie, and there's no reason that year couldn't have the greatest diversity of storytelling in cinema history.
The issue is twofold: people assume that *their* expectations for a franchise are a limiting factor, when it's not, and studios assume that a successful franchise is all you need to meet a baseline of profitability. Which isn't wrong in the short term, but it hurts franchise rep in the long run.
Barbie should not have done anywhere near as good as Oppenheimer
There's no such thing as original stories. Only original perspectives
It kinda makes me sad that something created 60 years ago as an allegory for the civil rights movement is still so poignant and reflective of our world today.
yep :( some evils are harder to defeat than a big nasty robot
I liked Star Wars better when it was called the Hidden Fortress.
Best thing about 97 was the haters being so wrong
The series the gifted is actually pretty goofd, and even the dad, becomes likable.
Also fdifferent characters anfd amy acker , and , its pretty good. Even the shows main couple, not the parents, its great.
Then scraping by in a world where the brotherhood and xmen, dont exist anymore.