How Wolverine and the X-Men Died: The True Story
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Josh Fine previously talked with RUclipsr Chainsaw Reacts in a longer interview which you can watch in its entirety here: • Joshua Fine Interview!...
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:43 Part one, dysfunctional development?
7:53 Part two, the interview
12:44 Part three, The Man With Google
15:06 The truth at last
19:35 Conclusion and #SaveTheYostVerse
#marvel #xmen
Wolverine and the X-Men is a 2009 American animated series by Marvel Studios. It is the fourth of five animated adaptations of the X-Men characters, the other four being Pryde of the X-Men, X-Men: The Animated Series, X-Men: Evolution, and an anime adaptation known simply as X-Men. It was cancelled for mysterious reasons in 2010. 
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If you want to keep going down this video's rabbit hole, look into a fellow named Isaac Perlmutter.
Old Ike is the brains behind "Thor, The Dark World", the escalation of the dispute with Fox, and he even tried to fire Kevin Feige.
@@Grizabeebles💯
I had a great idea for a second season premiere!
I think the best way to define this show is to say that it was bold. It took risks, told an overarching story, and tried new things. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but it definitely didn't deserve to be cancelled.
Batman beyond is just as timeless.
What didn't work? This series was top notch
@@doriancoreyscloset421 This is personal opinion and obviously subjective, but I really don't feel like Iceman, Storm, and Shadowcat were well developed here. They do cool stuff and all, but I never felt like they were there for anything other than to make this story feel more X-Men.
@@juliiju0484 I can see that. But the show introduced characters who've never been depicted before like Dust. It was vibrant & had a serious tone. I liked that
@@juliiju0484 yeah they just felt there to be there at least Storm had some significance on occasion.
It sucks that great shows like Wolverine and The X-Men, Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes get cancelled despite having awesome animation and compelling storytelling.
They need to return!
I never really got the Avengers cartoon. Was there some like, mega huge episode that got everyone into it that I missed? I tried it, just never got into it like X-Men Evolution or Justice League.
@@Draliseth I thought EMH was the best the Avengers were ever shown on TV
@@Draliseth Overall EMH felt like a very solid avengers show bringing in multiple elements of Marvel canon and its character over 2 seasons of long running arcs and episodic adventures in a similar way to the JL and later JLU animated shows did.
@@Draliseth All of them? I mean if you don’t like it you don’t like it. But the show overall did a fantastic job of storytelling, character writing, and adapting comics while making improvements.
Unfortunately none of them probably will. EMH is now directly counter to Disney’s MCU and everything has to bow down and cater to that. Spectacular Spiderman is caught up in rights and licensing issues which could be resolved now (Sony and Disney have a better relationship), but I don’t think Sony or Disney would go to the effort and I’m not sure the cast and creators are even able to come back. And Wolverines and the Xmen is a problem twice over. Again its counter to the MCU plans and it had the Fox problem but now that’s bought by Disney but I still wouldn’t expect Disney to bring it back.
They were about to do the only Age of Apocalypse animated storyline to date. We were robbed!
I think Fox's The Gifted was about to do something along those lines too towards the end of their 2nd and last season. I did enjoy the show 😊.
Emma Frost was phenomenal in this show, she was easily my favorite character.
She and Dust are the reason why I finally checked out the comics.
Had this gotten a second season to do The Age of Apocalypse story, I think it would be viewed on the level of Spectacular Spider-Man and EMH. Shame it wasn’t given a chance
To this day this is still my favorite X-Men cartoon, maybe even my favorite adaptation of them outside the comics if I'm being honest with myself lol. Such a great show!
Same, I consider this better Evoultion
Better than the original animated series your buggin,this show doesn’t even come close,we so no character growth on any other x men and most episodes were focused mainly on wolverine
@@richshmula7334 So? Still love it
@@michonnewalker4246 too bad no better else did or it would of gotten other seasons like X-men evolution did,the people wanna see X-men not wolverine and the x men that 1 hit wonder show!!!
@@richshmula7334 Both shows have ended so who cares? Which was more popular
I actually like this cartoon quite a bit and it showed that Wolverine had leadership skills and he wasn't just a berserk fighter.
That was my one problem with the show. They wanted to make Wolverine the leader so they gave him Cyclops' personality and vice versa. The characters seemed a little bit off because it it. Wolverine is a great leader but he leads in a Wolverine way. Not a Cyclops way
@@dannybowey I think that's an oversimplification. I don't think they took on each other's personalities, but they definitely did swap roles in the team dynamic.
I think the writers justified that role swap really well (e.g. Cyclops losing Xavier and Jean) and I could see how both characters organically changed to adopt those roles.
It was refreshing to see new things tried with these characters, instead of restricting them to the same box that every other adaptation keeps them strictly inside of.
@@kpftpbq7253 I didn’t mind Scott being the stand-offish loner in this version honestly.
@@dannybowey yeah cos I feel like Wolverine was the face of 2000s X-Men movies and they wanted to capitalize on that
@@tobishades And they threw Scott under the bus just to make Logan look cool.
Wow that's amazing to speak to someone who actually worked on the show. Top quality info!
That's my cousin. He's done a lot of great work on Marvel cartoons. Such a trip to see him in this video 👍
Why is every animated X-Men show so good?
The x-men is like a long soap opera they almost always benefit from the format of a series. Imo its one of the reasons the films never truly worked
@@yara-nd5ky Hey most thinks work, bcaus they hav th same vibrant character while having the built in commentary to make it relevant (why i dont trust mcu, they will try ,make them unpolitical whn thats th point why people like them. They feel real)
with superpowered soap opera.
yara What’s are you talking about? Most of the X-Men movies do not work.
@@trevturp6891 that's what he said, the x-men movies doesn't work because x-men franchise is something that work better as a high budget tv series.
The x-men is a ensemble proprety that benefit from the long serialise(and sometimes soap opera) format.
@@yara-nd5ky agreed
I loveeed Wolverine and the X-men. I think this series had the best animated version of Wanda the Scarlet Witch. i loved her look and I loved how she actually had a bigger role in the show compared to her other appearances in animation.
Ya know, it's kind of funny how Scarlet Witch is more closely associated with the Avengers (at least now), but her biggest animated roles are in X-Men cartoons.
She was a pretty important character in X Men Evolution
@@ShadowSonic2 wolverine and the x-men deserved to be cancelled. it failed but x-men the animated series did not fail and the way they did wolverine and the x-men ruined jean grey they ruined wolverine and they destroyed characters and storyline they even destroyed the phoenix thats a slap in the face to x-men fans.
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And nighcrawler gets th credit he deserves, and the fun. in the same story arc.
Just watched this recently and I have to agree. I think it goes:
Wolverine and the X-men
Evolution
The Animated Series
I don't think I've seen any of the Man of Action iteration in their shows so I can't really place her on this ranking.
It's a shame these three shows were cancelled before they could get their proper conclusions.
Spectacular Spider-Man ended on two cliffhangers:
1. Norman got away scot-free by faking his own death and making Harry think that Spidey killed him.
2. The drama with Harry, Gwen, and Peter that would have inevitably resulted in something major happening.
Avengers EMH had at least one major cliffhanger:
THAT WHOLE ENTIRE THING with Surtur and the Enslaved Enchantress who got her boobs censored when she got the red outfit. I'm sure there were other cliffhangers, but this was the biggest one going strictly by memory.
And of course we get to the elephant in the room, Wolverine and the X-Men's cliffhanger ending:
Surprise, surprise! The good guys stopped an omnicidal machine from destroying everything only for it to pave the way for Apocalypse to take over and reshape the world in his image. Oh, and they were building this up throughout the 26-episode season to further rub salt in the wound.
They went in production o season 2, it just wenr out o money, and disney o course, didnt help.
I loved this show as a kid, kinda sucks it was cancelled
wolverine and the x-men deserved to be cancelled. it failed but x-men the animated series did not fail and the way they did wolverine and the x-men ruined jean grey they ruined wolverine and they destroyed characters and storyline they even destroyed the phoenix thats a slap in the face to x-men fans.
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@@mrx-od3ji
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I actually have the entire series on DVD and I’m honestly shocked at how short it is but I still really like the show.
same
Hey Josh, it's your cousin Bryan! So cool seeing you here! For what it's worth, I would love to see this show come back. Cheers for the great work, it's always cool seeing your name on these older cartoons.
The best way to edit Wikipedia is to have a blog entry on it, give it some time, and then source the entry on Wikipedia. RUclips video gets debated.
It's been a while since you made one of these videos and I know you love this universe so much
I miss this show as well as EMH and especially Spectacular Spider-Man
That's some solid investigative journalism. Not the most important topic in the world, but us nerds appreciate it lol.
Not only did it had amazing animation and a compelling and daring storyline it took risks that most stories these days don't take. Loved the whole idea of how a society views a certain marginalized group, and how said group fights back against it. I want this show back, if any show deserves a renewal or even a reboot with a more fleshed out story, and engaging concepts, it could be consider a masterpiece 🙏🏻⚔️
Great video! I definitely sympathize with you as I’ve wanted to clear the air on the REAL reason Beware the Batman got cancelled (short version: Mattel didn’t request a toyline) and had to do some digging myself. And while I did know about the funding issues, it was interesting to learn all the nuances with Marvel, Disney, and Fox at hand.
Wolverine should never be in a leadership role.
I agree Wolverine.
his character works best when he's always depicted as a well-meaning rogue ... with anger management issues . ..who is always struggling with teamwork despite his best intentions.
god it's my fucking dream to acquire an interview simply but making a video about something someone worked on and them seeing it
Very surreal experience!
Awesome video. I love the amount of research you put into it. That was some top notch P.I. investigating. I really like the other videos you've done on the specific characters of EMH, and would be interested in similar videos about the characters from this show, if you feel so inclined to make such videos.
I second this comment extremely strongly.
I love wolverine and the X-Men it was such a great show and did the X-Men justice and to see this show get cancelled was just sad and depressing and it still breaks my heart we never ever got a continuation of this amazing show and let the show have a proper conclusion especially with them setting up age of apocalypse which could've been amazing and badass at least in my opinion.
I really disliked that this title centered Wolverine, as if he wasn't *also* the X-Men
Looking back, that was a mistake.
I never liked that either. Even with him being a fav. If anything it'd be Prof X. And the X-Men lol 😅. But no it's X-Men imho and that's it.
You're complaining about a show focusing on wolverine...... when it's called Wolverine AND the X-Men? I bet you hated The Wolverine because it didn't focus on Viper. Or Logan because it didn't focus on Caliban. 🤦♂️
When in doubt, blame Ike Perlmutter.
All i know is X-Men deserves better representation on an animation & cinema scale
The X-Men are booming hard in the current comics; it's so much substance that can easily translate well on screen (especially in this current climate)
The current X men comics sucks.
Yes I wish Marvel would have multiple X-Men animations going on. One off movie's, the current 97, long format anime types, ect.
There’s so much information in this video! I don’t know how you find this stuff. Another great Pillar of Garbage video!
While I hate this show for making the rest of the cast feel largely underutilized (Storm, Forge, Beast, Angel--even Kurt and Rogue after they rejoined), the main plot of preventing future catastrophies was amazing.
I'm surprised it was ever made. I never saw Wolverine as much of a team player let alone a leader.
I’ve never actually watched this show just for the simple reason that I know it was canceled after one season when it was clearly meant to go on. At least the severely under rated X-Men: Evolution got to end on a good note (although they had more plans for that show as well before it got axed.)
After that Apocalypse appearance in the end just got me hyped for season 2. Looked for it and I found out that was it. Completely devastating
Definitely an underrated X-men Cartoon I know the original cartoon is still beloved today but I was a big fan of X-men evolution, but this cartoon is great If only it got more episodes, but I own it all on DVD. The theme and characters really well storytelling
I really did love this X-Men series.
Was one of my favorites if not my absolute favorites and even though a part of me doesn't trust Disney right now I still kind of want to see this animated X-Men series come back
It was also weird because at first the only way to buy the entire season was to import the steelbook DVD set from Canada, and then meanwhile randomly years later the entire season was put out on Blu-ray.
My cousin bought me the Steelbook DVD for my birthday, and when I randomly saw the Blu-ray set I went ahead and got it and I have both because I couldn’t bring myself to sell the Steelbook DVD set since it was a gift.
I would love to see a continuation of this series.
From all the X-Men shows, this one and Evolution deserved more than the 1990s animated series to be honest to get revivals.
The 90s one had a great run and didn't need more.
But it's sad that this X-men show had to die thanks to executives mismanaging things, despite that, creative people managed to create a good product even with all the stress and mismanaging, and at least the Animation Studio is still up, it's nice to see that they didn't die and are proud of the show too, it's not something they want to hide.
As someone who works in this creative field, it's always a gamble to have a project being green lit or not and when it gets not knowing how long the project is going to survive, will it get a second season? Will it get enough funding? And so on.
I missed this show when it came out, and never saw much about it. But a show that seemed to have Mr Sinister as a focus and also featured Spiral, I'm sorry I missed it!
This is the show that made me realize how truly badass and awesome Emma Frost was
Sucks cus Steve even said last night he’d love to do Wolverine again! But its not up to him, but producers 😢
It's still a great show but it's a shame that they canceled it after one season.
This was the best ERA of marvel animation. Between this and avengers Earth's mightiest heroes we were spoiled!!
I loved this show! It was depressing news indeed, when I heard the show was cancelled!
Yes it was a great show. Interesting to know the truth about what happened.
This was an excellent series that deserved a full run.
I loved this show. I still have the series on dvd 😂🤘🏾. I was ready for age of apocalypse season 2. These shows need to take proper surveys and listen to us fans.
Wolverine and the X-Men could have at least five seasons, with these particular potential alternate future timeline stories.
Season 1: Days of Future Past
Season 2: Age of Apocalypse
Possible stories as follows Season 3- Season 5:
Season 3: House of M
Season 4: Old Man Logan
Season 5: X-Men 2099
List other alternative stories for consideration.
Great review
This was informative. Corruption and greed happens in every organization, but the show should not have suffered. Love to see it back on TV!
Sad that this show ended prematurely because it was great. Don't know if it's true but I once heard that this show existed in the same universe as Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes? If that's true then that's pretty cool.
I liked this series, remember would wait for this in summer holiday in afternoon, then later i saw this in order on prime, liked the show wanted another season, the post credit set up a nice twist with apocalypse
Thanks for posting this POG. I know this does not help you with the algorithm as much as your more mainstream videos do. That said, ironically, you have provided a source for Wikipedia to reference.
I just picked up the DVD set
This was my favorite X-Men show as a kid. Really wished there was more.
I liked it, it was its own story separate from the comics (kind of how X-Men evolution was). I did think they made Wolverine/Logan more like Hugh Jackman then his comic book self (he was dam tall in this series) but they got the characters and design and setting down.
Lore of How Wolverine and the X-Men Died: The True Story momentum 100
I'm 19 and I DID see it because I pretty much only watched superhero shit when I was younger (hell, that hasn't changed much) and I stumbled upon it once upon a time on Netflix. I was super bummed at how short it was.
Damn, my brothers and i rented the beat-up, crappy dvd bundles of this show from our local library and binged the crap out of it and EMH. Man, i miss those times
Well tbh I hate the role of Wolverine as leader of focal point. He’s amazing as the side character and loner. I get wanting character growth but his has sucked for the last 20 years.
This was my first interaction with the X-men series, and since learning its cancellation, always hoped it would return someday, for Christopher Yost, Disney should at least finish this series if they will never renew EMH.
Much like spectacular Spider-Man I believe that if this show was allowed to continue it would have been far greater than it's '90s predecessor
I was really hoping it would continue I even liked it over the 90s version. Plus I wanted to see the Apocalypse saga
So in Canada I never even got to see episode 26 until years later and I asked several other kids at the time and they didn't either. I don't think they even aired it.
Rip to Wolverine and The X-men a great show that was hit with a set of unfortunate circumstances that caused it to not be continued but at least it lasted long enough to save the future, prevent the Phoenix force from destroying the present, and for being my introduction to the X-Men 😢😢😢
one of the best animated xmen shows!
i was so excited to see season 2 after the teaser... such ashame
I wondered why the show just up and quit after one season. As a kid I held out hope it would return some day and wrap up the entire season's buildup.
Reminds me of another show, Dragon Booster. 2 Seasons of lore, and the new series is teased, then nothing. I later found out that apparently due to poor toy sales it got canned.
I'm still annoyed.
I will forever be sad that we never got a second season
One of my many dreams in life is creating a place like Genosha thanks to the animated series.
At least the broad idea of it, a place where social outcast, orphans, etc, can learn, be themself, and have people to lean on.
Will it ever happen? Idk 😂
Why bother building an island utopia if you’re not gonna let giant robot with death rays attack it?
I still hate how Wikipedia works.
Any new piece of information only gets veted when it's released in a book or publication.
A source where the research is done already wouldn't be added because their rating of proof is so obnoxious.
I really like this show, but now that we have X-Men ‘97 I don’t think I need it back anymore. ‘97 really had scratched the itch all of us X-Men fans had for new mutant related content.
If this series gets a revival for season 2, 3 or maybe 4th season if the show do a successful start
We cannot rule out the financial collapse of 2008. Money tightened up for years to come and WATXM was a casualty.
Casting Steve Blum from the original 90s series was the best decision they made though
@@sircaspeedy5972That was Cathal J. Dodd. Steve Blum didn't voice him until X-Men Legends
@@MarioSonicUniverseit's weird, I've seen a lot who seem to think Blum voiced him. Mandela effect maybe?
long time x fan from the 80s this is up there with the 90s cartoon if not better it was a great show with an ending that had me keen as for season 2. I was a teen in the 90s xmen time so loved that but this show really was great. So was avenger earths mightest heros i think it was called before it was changed after 2 seasons
I am an X-llennial and hearing this called old really makes my Greys stand out ...❤
This really makes me appreciate WATXM more because it’s amazing how good it came out considering all the bts drama. I always really liked this show as a kid and still did when I rewatched it recently, but it’s probably my least favorite X-Men animated series for one main reason. More than any other adaptation, it felt like it was trying to combine EVERY other version of the X-Men into one thing: the movies (Wolverine being the tall leader with a close connection to Rogue, Beast looking like Grammar, Scott not being as focused on), XTAS (some of the costumes and character inclusions from wackier elements), Evolution (same creators/designers returned for this show and it almost works as a rough narrative sequel), and the “Astonishing X-Men” comics. Many of these things were done well, and many characters are spectacularly done in it, but because it reminds me of so many other things, it feels like it has the least defined identity of all the animated adaptations to me. Still, I would’ve loved to see it continue for a couple more seasons like Evolution
A really interesting detective story.
I loved Steve Blum as Wolverine. Perfect casting
New upload! Lemme get my hot water bottle and fluff up my pillows.
bruh I just started this show a couple days ago how did you know lmao
It’s got the mid 2000s animation style that’s so iconic 🫣
Emma frost is the star of the show
This show and emh are the two cartoons I asked to rent when my family would go rent movies
I hope they add this and evolution to Disney plus uk (I know it’s in other regions)
same
@@marlonclark1896 no wolverine and the x-men and x-men evolution are the worst ones they stay off of tv.
@@marlonclark1896 wolverine and the x-men deserved to be cancelled. it failed but x-men the animated series did not fail and the way they did wolverine and the x-men ruined jean grey they ruined wolverine and they destroyed characters and storyline they even destroyed the phoenix thats a slap in the face to x-men fans. you should watch x-men the animated series that was the only good x-men cartoon.
@@mrx-od3ji no you're wrong
@marlon clark I'm right after xmen the animated series they started failing and became worse.
I loved this series as a kid
Now that Disney plus owns Marvel does that mean the potential shows like Wolverine and the X-Men might get a comeback or even the second series that we've always wanted what do all of you think🤔❓️
They revived the show that had two endings and kept dead the show with a nail biting cliff hanger.
I always found it funny about the ongoing rivalry between fox and marvel only to now all land under the same umbrella 😂😂 I wonder if a rivalry can still exist while In the same mouse house ? Also when you factor in stuff like marvel specials happening in stuff like a fox original such as Simpsons.
I guess everyone can always disagree and still put that aside for a project
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Wolverine and the X-men was made by Nickelodeon. The series had no ties to Marvel or Disney as it was created by a direct competitor. The series aired on Nickelodeon alongside Iron-Man: Armored Adventures. The series wouldn't have generated much money for Marvel and probably would have made the Fox acquisition more difficult for Disney. X-men Evolution was a Warner Brothers made series that premiered for another direct competitor to Disney/Marvel.
I can only assume that all parties were unwilling to relinquish ownership of their unique creations. Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost were writers for the animation arm of Marvel in the early 2000's. They were great comic writers who produced scripts for both shows. Those individuals have gone on to write for the big screen and probably would be too costly for an animated feature. I followed those gentlemen as comic writers. They aren't writing comics now. They moved on to better pay days. I wish they would come back for more but it is very doubtful.
What year did it come out? I remember having the Burger King toys as a kid lol
Even though I'd like them to make a Revival I can understand why Marvel doesn't have any interest in doing so at the moment, but I am surprised it didn't get a Sequel Comic series.
Sure not all of the fans who liked the show would read the comic, but with the Success of stuff like Batman 89 and Superman 76, I'm surprised Marvel haven't jumped onto that boat too.
There are many shows and movies that they could do continuations of.
Wolverine and The X-Men, Sam Raimi's Spider-man, The Amazing Spider-man, Blade, The Fox X-Men Universe, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, The 90s Spider-man series... there's so much they could do and some of those I think would be massive successes when it comes to Comics, if they went back and got help from the Original Crew.
I hope Marvel does do something like this in the future, cause I have really enjoyed what DC has done with theirs.
One of the best marcel cartoons. Up there with Avengers Assemble imo
It was always my headcanon that Wolvie n The Xmen was the continuation of xmen evolution
This was easily the best X-Men series outside of The OG Animated Series on FOX. It was great!
The only thing i didnt like was wolverine being the main character and always winning every fight and being out of character. Also cyclops just letting logan take lead and be in Charge didnt sit right with me, but at least they had cyclops kicking ass.
This whole era of Marvel trying to push the X-Men under the rug in every other aspect really sucked. It affected the comics and even Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite. I can see why lumping the show’s cancellation in with all that would make sense.
I'd always chalked it up to the Marvel/Fox schism; I knew the comics had a ban on new mutant characters for fear of giving Fox the next Deadpool. We even thought that the resolution of the Inhumans verses X-Men mega crossover was going to be turning all mutants into Inhumans, thus negating any rights Fox had to the characters.
I liked the show and the one before it that ended on the apocalypse story I think