I think it's not entirely wild that Mike was dating his friend's bully years after the fact when everyone had grown and changed and OP had supposedly gotten over it. But the fact that he hid it for so long and then did the intro as if there was no baggage was what was messed up.
As someone who was bullied pretty severely in high-school if my best friend dated someone who tormented me for 2 years and never told me then sprang it on me in public I would never talk to that so called friend again he retruamizised her
Exactly, Even if this person is truly changed that doesn't erase the trauma, the person went through. For crying out loud, this could have caused them to have a breakdown if it was bad enough. I hate when people act like bullying light or Harsh can just be excused. The person was tormented, If my friend dated anyone that I had a bad history with I wouldn't trust him after that.
As someone who was bullied and in abusive relationships I want to say that you are never ever required to forgive someone. Even if they apologize - it is up to you as to whether forgiveness is something you want to approach.
I hate how some people act like absolute monsters, then everyone is just supposed to forgive them and move on because they've "grown". Nah, their growth doesn't untraumatize their victims
For the harassment story I kinda disagree with you. It's a trauma, Mike knew about it he an AH he should have talk to OP before. And even if they're friend, OP doesn't own them anything. Apologies are good but it's not enough. Maybe she became a good person but we cannot ask OP to be "open". OP shouldn't diminish her feelings. (Sorry for my English)
I definitely agree and plus mike was hiding the relationship for 2 years and everyone knew but not op. Then surprise she’s my girlfriend at dinner. That’s not cool at all. It’s a betrayal.
I agree. Mike hid it, for TWO YEARS, and they talk every month? That isn't something that just 'doesnt come up" he hid it intentionally. Then dropped it on OP in public, knowing this woman tortured her in HS, how hard OP had to work to gain some peace, and that this woman was part of the reason OP didn't want to move back home. I can totally see how OP would immediately feel like "great now she's trying to take these friends away from me too." And unfortunately I feel like that's exactly what's going to happen, even if OP does try to have a relationship with her to salvage her other relationships.
Think its in cultures where no sex before marriage is a huge thing. Mostly for women so if one gets kidnapped, most think the women are no longer pure and some families don't want that to be known or spread as rumor so force marriage for family image. Don't remember exactly but saw the comments in that story when I originally saw it
the advice for the ladt story is awful, you are essentially proposing that she ignore trauma for the sack peace in a friendship. growth doesn't entitle a person to forgiveness nor does it undo the consequences perpetrated by harm. You are all also ignoring the huge betrayel of the fact that he not only chose to date her bully, but keep it from her for two years.
Bully Fiancé story: Okay, OP can deal or not deal with Ellie as much or as little as they wish. But Mike’s actions are Shady AF. I appreciate that Mike was likely hiding the two year relationship with the bully because it was easier. But Mike has the compassion of a damn rock to drop all this on OP at once, in public, with witnesses. It’s also possible that Mike is high on OP’s list of friends but OP isn’t actually that high on Mike’s friend list. Which happens and is fine. But that’s gonna be a harder blow for OP to recover from I think.
I absolutely love the idea of Wikimaniac Wednesday! Also wanted to say, I binged every video you guys have on here, and I show people as an excuse to watch them again while I wait for new episodes 😂
The happiness and support you guys show to each other and the happy reactions to pet cameos is a feel-good. I am so happy for whatever brought you to my RUclips feed. I love your show.
The last story. The points you bring up are good but considering how in ended I'm just curious, could she have had a crush on Mike in HS resulting in the continued bullying and essentially nearly isolating her? Would she have apologized if she did not end up with Mike? Yes she may be sincere but if she didn't date Mike would she have apologized? Its not something that you can easily move on from. I feel her journey healed the result of the bullying but not the complete trauma from HS
I would love an advice series where you guys give the wikimaniacs advice and they can submit on the subreddit! I feel like you guys have great takes and give great advice.
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Kidnapping: I come from a culture where kidnapping was an acceptable path to marriage. Once the men take you to their house, it was a done deal. You had no say and your parents pretty much went along with it. It didn’t matter if you didn’t like the guy or already had a boyfriend/lover/beau. Age didn’t matter and the women, sometimes girls (teens), ended up married to someone as old as their dad/grandfather. The practice is mostly outdated now. The younger generation of men are more educated and see the horror of this practice. Also, women are more educated and empowered so their voices have more weight now. But some still practice it.
Had to come watch the reactions y'all gave to the -Midscore- reddit username. Y'all had me laughing when I was just listening the first, but I had to see the face reactions to Sean being like, "Wait a minute."
For the last story it was just horrible, You expect her to be open to her friend, that hid a relationship with someone who tormented her for years. Do you expect her to be okay with what is going on? Even if this person is truly changed that never erases the trauma. For crying out loud she had to go to therapy for it. For the last story your guys advice just make it seem like she should get over it just because it was years ago. It could be 30 years ago and she has every right to be affected by it. It doesn't matter if it was light Or harsh, it still affected her. I understand second chances, But just because she said sorry doesn't mean that OP has to interact with her friend anymore after this. That's not a friend who would do this to you.
I set food in a microwave on fire recently. I had set it to warm up a piece of pie that had the brown sugar on top. It was supposed to be set for 1:11. It seems that I had put an extra one on it. I was busy playing Overwatch and I had just gotten into a match. Well when the match was done I was wondering where the fire was. My husband was pissed. (he doesn't play games) But the weird thing is the microwave usually beeps incessantly until someone opens the door and it was NOT going off. The microwave is fine now and still works. But now I check to make sure I didn't add more time.
Best Friend Dates Bully: He hid this for years. Announced it very poorly. I also don't think she's changed if she hadn't apologised before. You also don't have to give people second chances. She does deserve to be able to grow but she isn't owed OP. Even if the bullying was mild and long ago, OP is allowed to not want to be around someone who was so horrible to them
Therapy Gecko, he streams live on Twitch then posts the edited down vid to youtube. He's guest hosted Two Hot Takes as well, great guy as far as geckos go
I sure hope OP in the last story is able to drop mike and is able to find peace again and move on and that she also knows shes not overreacting at all. She owes no one anything just herself and to put herself first.
Not a solid idea for Wednesdays but maybe somehow reference back to the old format where you guys would research different Wikipedia topics, like Wiki Wednesdays. Kinda a small throwback to keep it short, but of course not solid :)
I'm pretty sure I know which culture(mine) you are talking about and I have to say the movies and tv shows released in that particular culture promote this kind of behavior, which influences impressionable young kids to think what they are doing it romantic. It is really messed up..
The 19 yr old is talking about autoerotic asphyxiation 😅 but brofessor, theres a difference between being asphyxiated by smoke ratyer than a hand tto the throat or whatever floats someones goat lmao ok ill shut up now i promise 😂
The kidnapping women and forced marriage is my culture. 😭😭😭 Happens so often in the old country. People will occasionally try it here in the states. It is wild. I have friends whose parents got married by way of kidnapping. 🥲 That guy just kind of seemed like a dumb kid who saw an opportunity tho. Lol
How could you three not think Mike is fucked up for dating his "best friend's" bully behind her back for TWO YEARS?!
I think it's not entirely wild that Mike was dating his friend's bully years after the fact when everyone had grown and changed and OP had supposedly gotten over it. But the fact that he hid it for so long and then did the intro as if there was no baggage was what was messed up.
Best friends but hid it for 2 years… he knew he was wrong.
That’s what I said. If he your best friend why hide it for 2 years?
As someone who was bullied pretty severely in high-school if my best friend dated someone who tormented me for 2 years and never told me then sprang it on me in public I would never talk to that so called friend again he retruamizised her
Exactly, Even if this person is truly changed that doesn't erase the trauma, the person went through. For crying out loud, this could have caused them to have a breakdown if it was bad enough. I hate when people act like bullying light or Harsh can just be excused. The person was tormented, If my friend dated anyone that I had a bad history with I wouldn't trust him after that.
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As someone who was bullied and in abusive relationships I want to say that you are never ever required to forgive someone. Even if they apologize - it is up to you as to whether forgiveness is something you want to approach.
I hate how some people act like absolute monsters, then everyone is just supposed to forgive them and move on because they've "grown". Nah, their growth doesn't untraumatize their victims
House keening is where you wail loudly to ward off spirits in your home.
For the harassment story I kinda disagree with you. It's a trauma, Mike knew about it he an AH he should have talk to OP before. And even if they're friend, OP doesn't own them anything. Apologies are good but it's not enough. Maybe she became a good person but we cannot ask OP to be "open". OP shouldn't diminish her feelings. (Sorry for my English)
I definitely agree and plus mike was hiding the relationship for 2 years and everyone knew but not op. Then surprise she’s my girlfriend at dinner. That’s not cool at all. It’s a betrayal.
I agree. Mike hid it, for TWO YEARS, and they talk every month? That isn't something that just 'doesnt come up" he hid it intentionally. Then dropped it on OP in public, knowing this woman tortured her in HS, how hard OP had to work to gain some peace, and that this woman was part of the reason OP didn't want to move back home. I can totally see how OP would immediately feel like "great now she's trying to take these friends away from me too." And unfortunately I feel like that's exactly what's going to happen, even if OP does try to have a relationship with her to salvage her other relationships.
@@T0bei You explained it so much better than me , that's exactly what I was thinking about. Thanks!
@@woman_of_mayhem Agree!
In some countries/ cultures they will make a victim marry the perpetrator. Ive never understood that type of solution and don't see how it is justice.
Think its in cultures where no sex before marriage is a huge thing. Mostly for women so if one gets kidnapped, most think the women are no longer pure and some families don't want that to be known or spread as rumor so force marriage for family image. Don't remember exactly but saw the comments in that story when I originally saw it
Because women and girls are seen as property, so if someone “damages” your property you have to pay them back, so marriage is a form of payment.
Story 1 - if that’s her culture then why does the WHOLE family hate him
the advice for the ladt story is awful, you are essentially proposing that she ignore trauma for the sack peace in a friendship. growth doesn't entitle a person to forgiveness nor does it undo the consequences perpetrated by harm. You are all also ignoring the huge betrayel of the fact that he not only chose to date her bully, but keep it from her for two years.
Bully Fiancé story: Okay, OP can deal or not deal with Ellie as much or as little as they wish.
But Mike’s actions are Shady AF. I appreciate that Mike was likely hiding the two year relationship with the bully because it was easier. But Mike has the compassion of a damn rock to drop all this on OP at once, in public, with witnesses.
It’s also possible that Mike is high on OP’s list of friends but OP isn’t actually that high on Mike’s friend list. Which happens and is fine. But that’s gonna be a harder blow for OP to recover from I think.
I absolutely love the idea of Wikimaniac Wednesday! Also wanted to say, I binged every video you guys have on here, and I show people as an excuse to watch them again while I wait for new episodes 😂
Ooh finally stumbled upon the midscore origin story!
The happiness and support you guys show to each other and the happy reactions to pet cameos is a feel-good. I am so happy for whatever brought you to my RUclips feed. I love your show.
The last story. The points you bring up are good but considering how in ended I'm just curious, could she have had a crush on Mike in HS resulting in the continued bullying and essentially nearly isolating her? Would she have apologized if she did not end up with Mike? Yes she may be sincere but if she didn't date Mike would she have apologized? Its not something that you can easily move on from. I feel her journey healed the result of the bullying but not the complete trauma from HS
I would love an advice series where you guys give the wikimaniacs advice and they can submit on the subreddit! I feel like you guys have great takes and give great advice.
Instead of Ask Shirley it'll be Ask Sean! That's a great idea 😊
I stumbled upon you guys about a month ago on the dopamine machine and immediately loved the vibe. Ive been watching all your videos here on RUclips since, and you're now my go to content to watch. Thanks for being your awesome selves! ❤
Awe thank you so much! We love comments like this 🥰🥰
I’m stuck on the detail that “the maid came”.. what minor has a maid unless they live with those parents… right? Or did I miss something.
Kidnapping: I come from a culture where kidnapping was an acceptable path to marriage. Once the men take you to their house, it was a done deal. You had no say and your parents pretty much went along with it. It didn’t matter if you didn’t like the guy or already had a boyfriend/lover/beau. Age didn’t matter and the women, sometimes girls (teens), ended up married to someone as old as their dad/grandfather. The practice is mostly outdated now. The younger generation of men are more educated and see the horror of this practice. Also, women are more educated and empowered so their voices have more weight now. But some still practice it.
the first story is genuinely creepy.
I thought 23:09 was an ad break and was so confused. I'm dying 🤣🤣🤣
Had to come watch the reactions y'all gave to the -Midscore- reddit username. Y'all had me laughing when I was just listening the first, but I had to see the face reactions to Sean being like, "Wait a minute."
For the last story it was just horrible, You expect her to be open to her friend, that hid a relationship with someone who tormented her for years. Do you expect her to be okay with what is going on? Even if this person is truly changed that never erases the trauma. For crying out loud she had to go to therapy for it. For the last story your guys advice just make it seem like she should get over it just because it was years ago. It could be 30 years ago and she has every right to be affected by it. It doesn't matter if it was light Or harsh, it still affected her. I understand second chances, But just because she said sorry doesn't mean that OP has to interact with her friend anymore after this. That's not a friend who would do this to you.
I set food in a microwave on fire recently. I had set it to warm up a piece of pie that had the brown sugar on top. It was supposed to be set for 1:11. It seems that I had put an extra one on it. I was busy playing Overwatch and I had just gotten into a match. Well when the match was done I was wondering where the fire was. My husband was pissed. (he doesn't play games) But the weird thing is the microwave usually beeps incessantly until someone opens the door and it was NOT going off. The microwave is fine now and still works. But now I check to make sure I didn't add more time.
Best Friend Dates Bully: He hid this for years. Announced it very poorly. I also don't think she's changed if she hadn't apologised before. You also don't have to give people second chances. She does deserve to be able to grow but she isn't owed OP. Even if the bullying was mild and long ago, OP is allowed to not want to be around someone who was so horrible to them
Therapy Gecko, he streams live on Twitch then posts the edited down vid to youtube. He's guest hosted Two Hot Takes as well, great guy as far as geckos go
I really enjoyed the Weds episodes you guys put out. Thirsty for y'all's content!!!!
We'll be back with something in the New Year 😊
I'd love to see u guys react to Tiktoks !
I sure hope OP in the last story is able to drop mike and is able to find peace again and move on and that she also knows shes not overreacting at all. She owes no one anything just herself and to put herself first.
Not a solid idea for Wednesdays but maybe somehow reference back to the old format where you guys would research different Wikipedia topics, like Wiki Wednesdays. Kinda a small throwback to keep it short, but of course not solid :)
Yes! I adored that format and I miss it so much 😢
Can we all agree that Sean has the vibes from Garrett from the show Superstore?!?! But cooler!! 😝
I'm pretty sure I know which culture(mine) you are talking about and I have to say the movies and tv shows released in that particular culture promote this kind of behavior, which influences impressionable young kids to think what they are doing it romantic. It is really messed up..
I purposely chose to watch youtube instead of listening to your podcast because of Kevin
So, where is Kevin?
John needs to install a Kevin Cam
Way back Wednesday and what would you do Wednesday
Did you actually show the meme or am I just blind?
I jumped from Spotify right on here to see it. Kinda disappointed not to see the meme 😓
I'm so sorry I forgot to add it 🙃
The 19 yr old is talking about autoerotic asphyxiation 😅 but brofessor, theres a difference between being asphyxiated by smoke ratyer than a hand tto the throat or whatever floats someones goat lmao ok ill shut up now i promise 😂
I love the show but it makes me so uncomfortable when John talks about his masturbation tendencies. It’s unwatchable
The kidnapping women and forced marriage is my culture. 😭😭😭 Happens so often in the old country. People will occasionally try it here in the states. It is wild. I have friends whose parents got married by way of kidnapping. 🥲
That guy just kind of seemed like a dumb kid who saw an opportunity tho. Lol