The Best Tube Map Collection
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2017
- Whilst down in Broadstairs when we made "Vicki Explores..." Geoff catches up with his friend Paul, who (probably) has one of the best tube map collections that you'll ever see going back to the 1920's...
There's a Facebook group for people wanting to collect/swap/share/trade tubemaps between each other: / 1693281940704733
For a simple list/look at all tube maps that have even been published, look here: www.clarksbury.com/cdl/maps.html
For a more extensive details, look on the LTMuseum webpages, in their 'collections' section: www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collection...
I absolutely love "ordinary" historical items. In my mind they have so much more impact than palaces, museums, monuments etc. Not to say that these things aren't interesting or precious ! But seeing things that people used or owned on a day-to-day basis makes the past more "real" for me !
Great video Geoff ! ( I know you LOVE it when we comment that XD )
GentlemanlyNinja Totally agree with you! It's also very fascinating to learn about the history of your town and the smal area you live in, the events are small and unimportant, but so relatable to your own life!
GentlemanlyNinja As a historian I find them far more interesting because someone has made the effort to preserve the ordinary.
GentlemanlyNinja Agree. Ordinary items preserve the actual society.
I mentioned this to my friend and neighbour, Ian today. He too collects tube maps and showed me a sample. So from knowing zero people who do this, in two days I know (of) at least two! Great!
How sad - two middle-aged men talking about tube maps. Even sadder, I found it absolutely fascinating. Shame the video wasn't longer.
I find this video sad myself, not because I find their hobbies pathetic, but because I don't think I'll ever be passionate about something as much as they are :(
Was the black & white one a wartime economy or to confuse the enemy so they wouldn't know whether to get the Central or the Northern line?
It'll be economy. 2 colour printing would be a lot cheaper than 4+ colour printing.
A droll person. Ho ho ho.
Northern Line itself is already a confusion and still today
LMAO!
Black and white pr a single colour variants using patterns for lines are common In diaries or the back page of the london a to z and similar atlas
Great video. Only wished you'd had a little more video footage of the actual maps while you two were discussing them, especially the earlier ones. Some of the intricacies of each were a little hard to spot without pausing and looking about which disrupted the flow of the video. Great job though & congrats to Paul for putting together such a wonderful collection.
Wow this is genuinely one of My favorite videos! The evolution of these maps are so interesting!
Favourite video in ages! I’m a tube map collector because of one of your videos years ago Geoff. Oldest map I have is 1964 but I’m working on increasing my collection. X
That was awesome. Thanks for taking the time to film, edit & producethis Video Geoff & Victoria :D
Neat collection, fun conversation
Because of this I've just bought a 1941 Beck map. Damn you Geoff!
1). How much did you pay for it? and - 2). Where did you get it from?
@@michaelgamble296 he probably got it from ebay
I am literally in awe of that collection.
Nice follow up to the aerial Broadstairs clip. Cheers again Geoff.
I have one you two probably don't have. When we went to London in 1965, I fell in love with the Tube map and bought a tea towel! Then because I wanted something fun to practice my embroidery, so I embroidered the tea towel. I still have it someplace, because it was a fun project. Yes, if I find it, I'll post a picture on Facebook.
Outstanding video. Really enjoyed it.
Fantastic Video Geoff I enjoyed it
I will say I have got a copy of most bus timetables in the Telford area also anything to do with Arriva I collect as I am an Arriva Enthusiast
Makes me want to start collecting the art on the underground tube maps! Amazing video!
You can buy most of them cheap on ebay
Superb collection Paul.
Well envious, and I thought I was doing well with my few.
almost crying with jealousy!!! Stunning collection there. I sincerely hope he carries on collecting and you make another video soon. Well done that man, I dof my hat to you Sir 🎩
An interesting video and what a beautiful collection.
Geoff and Paul - this was fantastic. Reminds me of some of the conversations I've had at the Grolier Club in New York City - and I think a tube map collection would certainly qualify one for membership. I do hope you all will work on some more history of the tube map videos in the future!
I am extremely fascinated by your collection Paul and I love your videos a lot Geoff ......... Could you please post another video only showing all the (more than 200) tube maps if possible.....I would love to see it !!
Very interesting, it's incredible to think that even such a collection is only three quarters complete.
Love stuff like this. Appeals to the collector in me. I am in the process of compiling my collection of airline safety cards with a focus in British Airways and Lufthansa. Really cool. Thank you for this one. Take care.
Great collection.
I have a very tiny collection myself, 1951 Beck, 1962 Hutchinson, some 2012s, but also a 1938 large scale underground railways map and a 1906 London railways map showing the underground too.
I have to say I love Stingemore's diagram. I really like it. The lines look nice, the station pictograms look nice, the typeface is beautiful.
Genuinely interesting. Those maps are awesome. I gave away loads years ago because I just didn't have the space. Kinda kicking myself now. Great video.
Awesome video! I have that book, purchased from Covent Garden transport museum - very interesting
As a collector of ephemera (speedway programmes), this is an awesome collection!
Thanks Geoff for another great video. Never seen the tube maps from the 40's. I know also the Central & County buses maps of the London Passenger Transport board common good prices from collectors. Have you thought about a video on Tram Trolleybus & old bus maps Geoff?
You should contact the British Library, they'd love to have a look at that stuff.
When I visit London I prefer to use geographical map of the London Underground because the distances between stations in central London are depicted accurately. When I started to visit London 20 years ago I realized that I could avoid many stations by simple walking 5 to 10 minutes. Unfortunately there isn't any OFFICIAL geographical map by TFL. I think it is a great omission.
The walk times on Jubilee are so long!
Paul Webb Thank you for the reply. It is an interesting map.
The Eyles You are right. Most of the stations of Jubilee are not close to each other and not very useful for tourists. Most useful lines for tourists are the central, Piccadilly line and maybe the circle line. However Jubilee is a very clean and safe line. I really like it but usually it is not useful.
TfL made a map which says the minutes it takes to walk between station on the same line in zones 1-2
There IS a geographical map of the London Underground. But it may be difficult to get. It's the London Transport A2 sized folding map Number 3 of 1939. by 'GEOGRAPHICA' Ltd.
Excellent video, I don't have a collection myself but I do own a Stingemore from about the same period. It's somewhere around here...
Love it, nice and geeky, my collection is very small compared to Paul's! Cheers Geoff.
All the Tube maps All of Them #AlltheTubeMaps
This has just come up as a recommendation- well done RUclips I’ve not seen this yet.
I'd love to see a video looking at these old maps and what happened to all the different lines that no longer exist today, would be really intresting! (I know some of them have been covered before but a video with them all would be great!)
Do you mean lines like that to Wood Lane Station - which, if you're quick enough, you can see fromthe EastBound Central line train to the North of the line just after your train plunges underground at White City. Or the Aldwych to Holborn line (part of the Piccadilly line) I used to use this frequently as a Chorister of the Royal Chapel in the Savoy.
brilliant and so interesting.
I love tube maps collection
its interesting.
Lovely video. I'm more of a magpie than a serious collector, but I noticed there was no mention of the lovely fold out maps designed by MacDonald Gill (not his Wonderground one). I have a nice one overprinted with the British Empire Exhibition stations. Not as practical or iconic as Beck but very nice to look at. My oldest one is a pocket map issued at St Pancras in about 1908-ish. Overprinted with an arrow pointing to St Pancras in case you miss it!
Thank you for the video. I used to collect tube maps as well but it was hard for me as I do not live in UK. I am collecting ‘tube maps’ in my area instead, which are called ‘station information leaflet’ 😊
I remember my grandma who lived about 8ft over the Central Line just before it popped out of the ground at Newbury Park (the house literally shook every 12 minuets or so!) had some that were black and white with the lines in different patterns. Was this an A-Z thing? I can't remember as I was only very young.
I would love it if Paul could scan his collection and post it on a website. The archive at clarksbury.com has not been updated since 2002, apparently, and I would love to take a look at those more recent maps, mostly because I'm interested in seeing how the Tube Map started integrating more features (which admittedly have taken away some of its simplicity) as the last decade went by, but also because I too love the maps' covers. I'm from across the pond so I can't get my hands on physical Tube maps very easily, and creating a more updated archive would be lovely.
My favourite tube maps were the magnifying glass edition - I'd love to see the return of these (or some similar custom iteration), perhaps it was difficult to print all of these but hey I enjoyed them.
There are also the Wall Maps - I have a few, and the ones licensed to use in diaries, which are quite facinating, the London A-Z Map had a tube map on its back cover ?
I think the time they deleted the zones and the river from the tube map deserves a video of its own.
Love the tube & the maps but the DLR map is something else, would love to have that
Brilliant and fascinating. I'd be interested to know the date of your most recent map showing the proposed Central Line extension to Denham.
Paul Webb Thanks for the info. I have no 3, 1939 (pink), which shows it on the map but not in the list of impending extensions! Very inconsistent. I was curious to know at what point it got removed entirely.
@@ctyerkes it IS in the list on that No.3, 1939 'GEOGRAPHICA' A2 sized fold-out map. In the bottom 'R' corner there's a Panel shewing all the Underground Lines - and in with the Central Line (Red) is shewn not only the completed part bat also the 'Under Construction part. They got as far as West Ruislip.
Hi Geoff, I'm not quite in your friend's league but I do have this imgur.com/a/jstAp from circa 1993 when I moved to London and couldn't remember the interchange stations. It's been in a wallet next to my travel/oyster card ever since!
That's really interesting
Watched it somewhere noisy so had auto captions on. Absolutely sure you didn’t say some of the stuff the captions claimed you did 🤔. Time to watch it somewhere quieter I think.
Should be scanned, and made into a book! Where's the Kickstarter for it? :)
Please set up a website with these wonderful maps for the history books and archival uses.
maybe a site with a comparison slider/selector for different years/months of the maps. wouldn't want to see it being lost to aging...
Should the "Elizabeth Line" be on the standard tube map, or should "Crossrail 1" only appear on the extended tube and rail map?
Love it.
7:22 cool to see Merton on the map at South Wimbledon
Something I find strange about the Tube map - why did they have the Jubilee extension and various DLR extensions (except the one to Lewisham) when they were being built, but the current Northern extension isn't shown?
fantastic
Are you going to reveal how far you got on the Tube Map challenge (the visit all stations in London within a year )?
There are 12 Stingemore variants (excluding overprints). The first is dated May 1925 and the last issue is thought to be from 1932/3 as it omits Down Street (closed 21/5/32) and shows Dover Street (renamed Green Park 18/9/33).
I'm one of the "must have every variant" types of collectors (and Geoff you were kind enough to sell me a June 2016 Morden Error). By the looks of things, my collection is a little bit bigger and I know quite a few others with near complete collections. I'd be happy to show you my earlier ones going back as far as the 19th Century.
My Stingemore maps Blue and Red all shew [Down Street > Dover Street > Piccadilly]. How can one date these F.H.Stingemore Underground Maps for there are no Printers nor Printer's Code shewn on any of them. The card they are printed on is a hard-wearing Cloth Card.
12:54 GOT IT !!!
december 2003 still has they east london line and no overground
The Beck map book shown @ 8:15 is really interesting, I bought this a few years ago. It's a shame the North London tube extensions were never completed, but fascinating to see station names like Cranley Gardens and Muswell Hill on a tube map.
Are the North London Underground Extensions you refer to as shewn on the Number 3 1939 (Pink) Map? These are the Northern Line (Black) proposals for Spring 1940 and Spring 1941. Shame, yes, I agree though my memory recalls other things were happening at that time and the money was required for much more important things - like Spitfires, Blenheims, Lancasters and the stuff that goes in them. I think that the idea of Future Extensions was gently (unlike the bombs) dropped.Yet they did get to Mill Hill East from Finchley Central, (was Finchley Church End), but not to Alexandra Palace - which was a great pity as my Father (who was a Railway Man L.N.E.R.) kept some bees there and after the war gave Live T/V Broadcasts about them from the Garden there.
You need to do secrets of merseyrail !!!!
Bobby Henry YES
Bobby Henry and the Glasgow underground
V Searle vlogs they should do the Manchester trams and all of the tramways in the UK
V Searle vlogs that would be about 1 min
In the early zone maps all lines were printed black. So you needed a colored line map in addition.
What happened to your own tube map collection video
I'm an 11 year old, who you met a while ago in Acton, and I also have a collection dating back to 1951.
I am 6 years old and I have 2 tube maps from 2001
I love how my only one is the good old ‘No-Thames’ map
Wow, my collection only goes back as far as the 1979 2nd edition, have every edition since. Though I've got a 1968 one as well. But I do need to find something to store them in safely. Just one thing, why does everyone now call H.C. Beck, 'Harry', when his name was Henry? I remember reading or hearing statements from his family that said 'Harry' was a nickname his workmates called him, but he absolutely detested it. He was always called/referred to as Henry in documentaries and news items until London Transport became TfL, then it was 'Harry' all of a sudden.
I've got the 1986 No.2, but there's no advertising or sponsorship on the front. Again with the January 1995 one, nothing other than the artwork of the couple checking a poster map.
Paul: *Has a huge collection of old and new Tube Maps*
Also Paul: *Gives away an old DLR Map because he isn't interested in it*
Geoff, did you delete your Transport Auction visit? I can't seem to find it
Dating maps (generally) check the printers code on the reverse bottom left or right. has mmyy as part of the order commission date a (R) means it was revised - normally to catch up on station opening changes.
Interesting, thanks. Looking at my JANUARY 1951 diagram of lines it shows Johnson Riddle & Co, London S.E.20 - and to its 'L' corner: 1050/2438Z/1000M Please decipher!
@@michaelgamble296 October 1950. The next is LTE order number it might be sequential to other maps or printed matter. I think it's a print run of a million 1000 x 1000 for the M
Other than that my F.H.Stringemore Maps have neither Printer or Printer's Code on them. Maybe they were printed 'In-House'?
@@highpath4776 Thanks. Next Q: is about the earlier W.H.Stringemore maps of the Underground. Printed 'In House'?
How do you get those tube maps and what events can you get them at
Paul Webb thanks for the info
Geoff did you delete your video of your collection?
were did you get all of the tube maps
I have just started collecting, any tips?
Yes. simply 'keep collecting'. If you don't stop, you'll soon amass a prodigious quantity of 'collectible ephemera'
ive already got the book :D
I have been looking at my collection and comparing what you are talking about at 3:20 with my identical White card No. 2 1934. Please look on the reverse of this. On mine the Printer is given as JOHNSON, RIDDLE & CO. LTD., LONDON. S.E.1. and has NO Printer's Code. On an earlier Map - undated except for the Printer's Code:(750M --- 1-33) the Printer is: WATERLOW & SONS LIMITED,LONDON,DUNSTABLE & WATFORD The Piccadilly Line ends at Enfield West and there is a dotted line to Cockfosters. A Panel with an arrow pointing to this dotted line states [OPEN MIDSUMMER 1933] H.C.BECK has used squares as interchange stations - and are shewn as such in his REFERENCE Panel. In my Map the Watford Junction to Elephant and Castle is NOT the BAKERLOO Line, but the EAST LONDON RAILWAY - and is Red. The CENTRAL LONDON RAILWAY only goes from Ealing Broadway to Liverpool Street and is Orange. The NORTHERN LINE is known as the EDGWARE, HIGHGATE & MORDEN LINE and is Black. Lines under construction are Enfield West to Cockfosters on the Piccadilly Line and is Blue. So here we have 'History in the making'!
can they still build the norther heights line?
nope not without knock S* down and causing a riot...
No. There's a video on here somewhere that explains why.
No, watch jay foreman’s unfinished London episode 1 on RUclips!
Mr. P. Enis probably too expensive
Are there any of your tube maps you can give to me
Jeff Marshall did know that district line use go hounslow west I bet you dont know reason it don't go there any more ? Now it T.F.L map now because it got london overground & elizabeth line now
Got it, got it, want it ...
Geoff why don’t you show your tube map collection
Amazing. Double thumbs up. A great collection. Tube map porn at its best.
Whers H.smith and city and circle lines?
Hammersmith is on the Purple Metropolitan Line. The Waterloo & City Line first appeared in the January 1951 London Transport 'Diagram of Lines' and the Circle Line is indeed a circle in Yellow running through Westminster>Notting Hill Gate>Baker Street>Liverpool Street> Westminster. And in the reverse order. Michael G
Hey guys, or in fact any collector here. Can some post here a picture of any year 2000 pocket map, is it possible to do that on here?? I think I have everything from 2001 onwards but can't find or see what the 2000 one looks. I can't see any on Ebay either. Many thanks, John.
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Paul Webb. Thanks mate, that's great. I have the cannon one coming from the US, two different variations. Those then will give me maps for all the naughties up until now. Just need a few variants.
Paul Webb I've yet to find the February one.
Paul Webb No worries chap. I'll keep an eye out on the Bay of E. I think that's the only month from 2000 until now I'm short now? Not having a list of what's available it's hard to tell. I'm slowly working my way through the 60s 70s 80s and 90s too.
Ah, outstanding, it's all that column of different adverts I was wanting.
Looks like I'm only a couple short than for a full set. Some are on Ebay now but I've already got a few on order so I'll get the rest some other time.
I still play with PANINI Stickers at school now
Say what you want about Hutchinson he got the position of Euston Square right.
Is there any chance anyone can mail some tube maps to a guy in Canada? I can mail you back the cost.
Please can I get all of them
Who remembers Paul from underground USA
Hey I remember Paninis
Geoff, just so you know, kids today still do Panini stickers
Geoff Marshall After 40-odd years Panini stickers are still strong here in Spain
Wasssssup
Hutchinson Crimes against Tubemanity!
i have a 2018 docklands map
No one cares
Lubdhak Das I do
Make a Underground Map Sep 2020
I have 500 Tube maps but there all the same
l have 3 tube naps
That's an extensive collection! Wow!!
This is too easy. You spend life in London and you go to stations every month and collect one.
I can’t stop staring at the Barclays card reader why
can I please have your harry beck maps?
No