Evening ALL. I have got a jigsaw puzzle of the 1933 Harry Beck map, great fun piecing it together. Also have got the bug of collecting tube/bus/trams/ trolleybuses and rail maps..
One of the knock-on effects of the Beck map is the almost universal adoption of it as the "network" pattern of visually describing a complex thing. I grew up using the Boston subway system and when i first visited London, I could immediately grasp how to use the Underground to get around because the Boston system had adopted the same style of mapping and iconography
Thanks for another excellent episode, like you all I love maps. When you were asked about platforms being shared you left out the end of the Metropolitan Line. At Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Chorleywood and Rickmansworth the platforms are used by both the Met Line and the Chiltern Line.
Hi Fab 4, just been given my belated birthday (5 May) presents from the family and I was given four tile mugs and the London Underground by Design book! Couldn’t be better than that.
Hi Team. I can’t thank you enough for showing my embroidery and for wishing Helen happy birthday. It bought a tear to her eye. Another fabulous episode and our favourite subject ‘Maps’ - Mark
What a lovely surprise to wake up to on my birthday! Thanks for another great episode! I too am a big fan of maps. There’s a lot you can learn from them! When I lived in the UK between 2016-17, paperchase were selling their LT range and they had phone cases with just a small part of the tube map on it between Waterloo and Goodge St vertically and St James Park and Embankment. Still my favourite phone case I have ever had - unfortunately new phone does not fit it anymore though! I do recall also paying my first visit to the LTM that year and the receptionist saying ‘omg where did you get that! Everyone has been asking us for phone cases!’ Really hoping that for our next visit (hopefully sooner rather than later) the depot will be open as it looks great!
Having discovered this channel only a few days ago, I love the details you tell about the evolution of the map with exhibits. 17:40 Interesting ad in German, reminding me of the ads German Post had back in the day of the telephone monopoly "Ruf doch mal an". And on the topic of maps: I love how Berlin still has both diagrammatic (Beck style) and geographic maps of the public transit network where the geographic map has the iconic S-Bahn circle in the form of a dog's head clearly recognizable.
A great video ... and Alex, not a pollock in sight! (Ha ha) A couple of observations ... Quizmaster Nix ... Harrow in the Hill and Harrow and Wealdstone share LU and Mainline platforms (chiltern/met - platforms 1/2 and Euston/bakerloo platforms 1/2, if my memory serves me) and of course moor park/chorleywood/Amersham with chiltern/met. Harrow, having the two stations, may be the only town enjoying this status? A gorgeous map that used to be on the up (southbound) chiltern/met line at Rickmansworth showed all the tube stations with opening and closing dates (in service or disused) ... blew my mind every time I saw it. Now as I’ve not travelled for about a decade on the tube, my memory may be a little hazy, but I’m pretty sure of the above. My earliest pocket map was from 1976 (pre jubilee line) which sadly I’ve not seen for a while ... was particularly amusing as a young boy my older brother would draw sail ships on the Thames ... If you guys do revisit metroland, check out and see if the map is still there at Ricky ... Keep up the awesome work! Love, love, love the content!
Glad to finally catch up with this - I couldn’t watch on Saturday night as I was getting the jab but I did take the Underground to get there so I was still on-brand.
All those cool maps! I remember them being free from the ticket office at all tube stations. As a schoolboy, I often bought a Red Rover ticket on a weekend, using it to explore London by tube and bus. After leaving school, I'd buy a Red Rover weekly ticket, which was only slightly cheaper than the season ticket for commuting purposes. Back then, there was a large, fold-out map showing all the bus routes across London and suburbs, including, if I remember right, some London Country routes. Their buses were green, and some people incorrectly called them "Greenline buses". Do those big, fold-out maps still exist, or have they gone digital?
Yay, thanks for the mention. Sorry I missed the live, I was stuck on Horney Island. Another great one, I love all the maps, they are iconic. I lived in Essex in the late 80s and 90s and regret not doing the Ongar extension when I could, I'd love to go back in time and do that, then the Aldwych branch in London. Take care guys, hope the haircut goes well Siddy!
Same here, Dazzle. Both of those bits of line evaded me. Would be lovely to go back and ride the grim and grafitti’d 1962 tube train to Ongar and the cute little line to Aldwych.
I lived in North Weald for a while and had occasion to use the service while it was running. In the morning rather than wait for the train to go to Ongar and return before getting on I used to ride it out to Ongar and back for the sheer delight of rattling through the countryside. Back then I worked in London and put the season ticket to good use and cover as much of the system as I could. Happy Days!
Hi great episode i love maps the tube map must be the most used of any map.every diary has a tube map in it..of course very handy when i am in London.will you be making a episode about film locations on the tube.i have a dvd of Bulldog Drumond filmed in the early 1930,s.however i know you can,t go to the museum station because it no longer exist.Thank You lovely people for brightening us all up.through the lockdown.saturday evenings.keep safe all four of you.
That geographical map might be a good alternative/additional option to the Beck, for the central/tourist area anyway, as it does show the relative distances and the parks. etc.
Hi team, what a fantastic episode, maps galore, i am collecting carriage maps myself vintage and modern i have all the lines except the Jubilee line, just need to frame them.
I have a treasured and dog-eared Bus Map from 1951, which also has that border of little roundels. If only the Trolley-Bus routes were all still there! I could take the 581 from Woodford down to Bloomsbury :-). By the way, Alex's china cabinet might end up one of the stars of the show :-)
Thanks for another great episode. Of course the Map usually shows the Thames and there have been different ways the line of the river has been shown over time. The introduction of the DLR is likely to have changed this around the Docklands area. I've got a number of copies of an issue of the Pocket Map from 2009 that omitted the Thames altogether (but still showed an icon for Riverboat services!). It caused a great furore at the time. Does the Museum have a large copy of that Map in its collection?
One Massive Part where platforms are Shared is the Bakerloo from North of Queen's Park all the way up to Harrow & Wealdstone Every station on that Part is Shared between Underground & Overground
Hi, all. Can I ask if there has been or could be a "Platform For Art" / "Art On The Underground" focussed episode? As I agree with what has been said, they are works of art. Regards, your Londoner-In-Spirit, Aaron in Lancashire. P.S. The ones I have are June 2006, December 2009, December 2019 and December 2020. P.P.S. Also when did the Tube map begin to be published in May and December each year?
I am curious about the copyright issue. I knew the roundel was a trademark, but i wasn't aware that the map was copyrighted. Is it the whole idea of a diagramatic map illustrating the various lines of a system in different colors, or what? I've seen transit system maps from all over the world that use a similar method. Here in Chicago, our map of the CTA rapid transit system is both geographical and diagramatic, simply because of the way the system was built to follow the street grid plan. And the line colors date back to 1913, when the system began to form into a single entity from several different companies...though it wasn't until the 1980s that they began referring to "Red Line", "Brown Line", etc.
Something the people don’t know about me is that I have quite a bit of an obsession with rail replacements bus routes and I remembered that they always have a map diagram in the window of the bus, so my question is does the LTM have rail replacement diagrams in there collection and if they do what’s the earliest or oldest one that they have
18:43 Siddy to the rescue! There's me thinking that it's a boy's club thing this buying, yes _buying_ rather than half-inching old tube carriage line diagrams. Then little ol' Lau pipes up with her gift to the satirists of proudly proffering err some pocket tube maps of recent vintage. Apparently shewing change over a single year. Hmmm ... At least we're back on topic again.
Thanks for this episode and indeed for all your hard work. I’m kind of embarrassed to say that I have a Northern line, line diagram (strip map), a central line night tube version. Also metropolitan line and a district line map like alex’s which is stuck into part of a D stock car. Siddy collecting is kind of an addiction. There is no point to it. Some people just can’t help themselves 😇
Yes you are right - the branding transferred from Network Rail to London Underground as the Overground was created and took on the services from the North London line. The track and signals from Gunnersbury to Richmond are still maintained as part of the Network Rail though.
@@chrisnix7981 You might be interested to know that before I moved to London in 1991, I lived in Toronto and tried to create a diagramatic history of its famous "streetcar" system, similar to the on4e I found of the London tube. I've been a life long tubeaholic.
33:16 Siddy to the rescue again. Horney island indeed. Where've you beenand why aren't you listening? You're such a pass master at double entendre that it comes naturally Alex. As you might say.
Geographical map of 1924 was the most important that showed the directions of the tube with the roads, the current maps are a let down, why can’t we have the 1924 style maps in our pockets and at tube stations?.
19:26 Caught on the hop but no, Alex, it's the exact opposite. If Mansion House were shut, it wouldn't be shewn on the sticker. Happily and annoyingly at the same time, I'm not nerd enuf to know what caused the stickerisation of this part of town.
I suspect it was a slip of the tongue, Barry. Have you got a time code of when we got it wrong? The ‘tube’ is colloquial London chat, really. To say the District and Circle Cut and Cover would be a bit of a mouthful too, as sadly to call them underground is, in places, factually incorrect too. It’s a minefield, as I’m sure you’ll agree. Thank you for watching though.
Hi Barry. We have covered the difference between sub-surface Underground and deep-tube railways several times in different episodes so we quite agree there is a distinction and you will no doubt have heard us make it. However the Underground adopted the term "Tube" to refer to the whole system a long time ago and this is referenced in TfL's official style guide. Therefore "Tube Planner" (quad royal station map) or "Tube map" (pocket map) is the printed title of the map of the whole Underground (not just the deep-tube railways) rather than "Underground" and the anniversary in 2013 was branded "Tube 150" to celebrate 150 years since the opening of the first sub-surface railway - the Metropolitan Railway. We do of course make occasional mistakes in what we say but this time we were on point.
Not a record breaker, shame when it started so well. But, looking forward to next week. How many of the viewers are likely to make it to LTM on the 17th?
Evening ALL. I have got a jigsaw puzzle of the 1933 Harry Beck map, great fun piecing it together.
Also have got the bug of collecting tube/bus/trams/ trolleybuses and rail maps..
I mean... you say Harry... Chris would say Henry! I also can’t get my head round the Henry-Harry thing! Thanks for watching 😉
One of the knock-on effects of the Beck map is the almost universal adoption of it as the "network" pattern of visually describing a complex thing. I grew up using the Boston subway system and when i first visited London, I could immediately grasp how to use the Underground to get around because the Boston system had adopted the same style of mapping and iconography
Thanks for another excellent episode, like you all I love maps. When you were asked about platforms being shared you left out the end of the Metropolitan Line. At Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Chorleywood and Rickmansworth the platforms are used by both the Met Line and the Chiltern Line.
Good work!
This has been my favourite episode so far! I adore maps - they are definitely art!
Hi Fab 4, just been given my belated birthday (5 May) presents from the family and I was given four tile mugs and the London Underground by Design book! Couldn’t be better than that.
Hi Team. I can’t thank you enough for showing my embroidery and for wishing Helen happy birthday. It bought a tear to her eye. Another fabulous episode and our favourite subject ‘Maps’ - Mark
What a lovely surprise to wake up to on my birthday! Thanks for another great episode! I too am a big fan of maps. There’s a lot you can learn from them! When I lived in the UK between 2016-17, paperchase were selling their LT range and they had phone cases with just a small part of the tube map on it between Waterloo and Goodge St vertically and St James Park and Embankment. Still my favourite phone case I have ever had - unfortunately new phone does not fit it anymore though! I do recall also paying my first visit to the LTM that year and the receptionist saying ‘omg where did you get that! Everyone has been asking us for phone cases!’ Really hoping that for our next visit (hopefully sooner rather than later) the depot will be open as it looks great!
Having discovered this channel only a few days ago, I love the details you tell about the evolution of the map with exhibits. 17:40 Interesting ad in German, reminding me of the ads German Post had back in the day of the telephone monopoly "Ruf doch mal an". And on the topic of maps: I love how Berlin still has both diagrammatic (Beck style) and geographic maps of the public transit network where the geographic map has the iconic S-Bahn circle in the form of a dog's head clearly recognizable.
A very in depth look at maps thanks for your knowledge😀
Loved this episode i have every pocket tube maps from 2000 love the way they fit all the info into the small space that is on the pocket map.
A great video ... and Alex, not a pollock in sight! (Ha ha)
A couple of observations ... Quizmaster Nix ... Harrow in the Hill and Harrow and Wealdstone share LU and Mainline platforms (chiltern/met - platforms 1/2 and Euston/bakerloo platforms 1/2, if my memory serves me) and of course moor park/chorleywood/Amersham with chiltern/met. Harrow, having the two stations, may be the only town enjoying this status?
A gorgeous map that used to be on the up (southbound) chiltern/met line at Rickmansworth showed all the tube stations with opening and closing dates (in service or disused) ... blew my mind every time I saw it.
Now as I’ve not travelled for about a decade on the tube, my memory may be a little hazy, but I’m pretty sure of the above.
My earliest pocket map was from 1976 (pre jubilee line) which sadly I’ve not seen for a while ... was particularly amusing as a young boy my older brother would draw sail ships on the Thames ...
If you guys do revisit metroland, check out and see if the map is still there at Ricky ...
Keep up the awesome work! Love, love, love the content!
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Most people steal traffic cones when they're drunk but not Alex 🤣
Glad to finally catch up with this - I couldn’t watch on Saturday night as I was getting the jab but I did take the Underground to get there so I was still on-brand.
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My earliest map is 1968. I got it from Nan and Grandad when I was there at four-and-a-half!
Another wonderful episode to look forward to, thanks HL4! x
All those cool maps! I remember them being free from the ticket office at all tube stations. As a schoolboy, I often bought a Red Rover ticket on a weekend, using it to explore London by tube and bus. After leaving school, I'd buy a Red Rover weekly ticket, which was only slightly cheaper than the season ticket for commuting purposes. Back then, there was a large, fold-out map showing all the bus routes across London and suburbs, including, if I remember right, some London Country routes. Their buses were green, and some people incorrectly called them "Greenline buses". Do those big, fold-out maps still exist, or have they gone digital?
Yay, thanks for the mention. Sorry I missed the live, I was stuck on Horney Island.
Another great one, I love all the maps, they are iconic. I lived in Essex in the late 80s and 90s and regret not doing the Ongar extension when I could, I'd love to go back in time and do that, then the Aldwych branch in London.
Take care guys, hope the haircut goes well Siddy!
Same here, Dazzle. Both of those bits of line evaded me. Would be lovely to go back and ride the grim and grafitti’d 1962 tube train to Ongar and the cute little line to Aldwych.
I lived in North Weald for a while and had occasion to use the service while it was running. In the morning rather than wait for the train to go to Ongar and return before getting on I used to ride it out to Ongar and back for the sheer delight of rattling through the countryside. Back then I worked in London and put the season ticket to good use and cover as much of the system as I could. Happy Days!
As usual, a great informative episode. Even got a mention. You 4 are wonderful people x
Hi great episode i love maps the tube map must be the most used of any map.every diary has a tube map in it..of course very handy when i am in London.will you be making a episode about film locations on the tube.i have a dvd of Bulldog Drumond filmed in the early 1930,s.however i know you can,t go to the museum station because it no longer exist.Thank You lovely people for brightening us all up.through the lockdown.saturday evenings.keep safe all four of you.
That geographical map might be a good alternative/additional option to the Beck, for the central/tourist area anyway, as it does show the relative distances and the parks. etc.
Another wonderful episode! Great job everyone!
Hi team, what a fantastic episode, maps galore, i am collecting carriage maps myself vintage and modern i have all the lines except the Jubilee line,
just need to frame them.
I have a treasured and dog-eared Bus Map from 1951, which also has that border of little roundels. If only the Trolley-Bus routes were all still there! I could take the 581 from Woodford down to Bloomsbury :-). By the way, Alex's china cabinet might end up one of the stars of the show :-)
Do you like my China cabinet? It was my late grandma’s. Proper treasured item x
Thanks for another great episode. Of course the Map usually shows the Thames and there have been different ways the line of the river has been shown over time. The introduction of the DLR is likely to have changed this around the Docklands area. I've got a number of copies of an issue of the Pocket Map from 2009 that omitted the Thames altogether (but still showed an icon for Riverboat services!). It caused a great furore at the time. Does the Museum have a large copy of that Map in its collection?
One Massive Part where platforms are Shared is the Bakerloo from North of Queen's Park all the way up to Harrow & Wealdstone Every station on that Part is Shared between Underground & Overground
Hi, all.
Can I ask if there has been or could be a "Platform For Art" / "Art On The Underground" focussed episode? As I agree with what has been said, they are works of art.
Regards, your Londoner-In-Spirit, Aaron in Lancashire.
P.S. The ones I have are June 2006, December 2009, December 2019 and December 2020.
P.P.S. Also when did the Tube map begin to be published in May and December each year?
Here's my Tube map collection of over 130+ unique Tube Maps since the 20th Century! : ruclips.net/video/4GjjdMKTRwo/видео.html
I am curious about the copyright issue. I knew the roundel was a trademark, but i wasn't aware that the map was copyrighted. Is it the whole idea of a diagramatic map illustrating the various lines of a system in different colors, or what? I've seen transit system maps from all over the world that use a similar method. Here in Chicago, our map of the CTA rapid transit system is both geographical and diagramatic, simply because of the way the system was built to follow the street grid plan. And the line colors date back to 1913, when the system began to form into a single entity from several different companies...though it wasn't until the 1980s that they began referring to "Red Line", "Brown Line", etc.
Ooh - good question for Chris Nix
Something the people don’t know about me is that I have quite a bit of an obsession with rail replacements bus routes and I remembered that they always have a map diagram in the window of the bus, so my question is does the LTM have rail replacement diagrams in there collection and if they do what’s the earliest or oldest one that they have
Oooh good question! I bet not.
The new tube map has the Thameslink Core as well (not talking about the map with all connections)
Think this is my favourite episode. Any chance of a bus map episode?
18:43 Siddy to the rescue!
There's me thinking that it's a boy's club thing this buying, yes _buying_ rather than half-inching old tube carriage line diagrams.
Then little ol' Lau pipes up with her gift to the satirists of proudly proffering err some pocket tube maps of recent vintage.
Apparently shewing change over a single year.
Hmmm ...
At least we're back on topic again.
I just started watching a program on RUclips And I have also watch Siddy London underground
Are we still getting South Kentish Town. ?
TIA
Yes Finty we’ll do that as the Kentish Towns - both stations in one episode I reckon
Thanks for this episode and indeed for all your hard work. I’m kind of embarrassed to say that I have a Northern line, line diagram (strip map), a central line night tube version. Also metropolitan line and a district line map like alex’s which is stuck into part of a D stock car. Siddy collecting is kind of an addiction. There is no point to it. Some people just can’t help themselves 😇
I don't believe Gunnersbury is NR. It seems to me it was transferred to LU at the same time as the Waterloo and City.
Ooh that’s good knowledge!
Yes you are right - the branding transferred from Network Rail to London Underground as the Overground was created and took on the services from the North London line. The track and signals from Gunnersbury to Richmond are still maintained as part of the Network Rail though.
@@chrisnix7981 You might be interested to know that before I moved to London in 1991, I lived in Toronto and tried to create a diagramatic history of its famous "streetcar" system, similar to the on4e I found of the London tube. I've been a life long tubeaholic.
@ 36:37 - Harrow & Whealdstone is a maybe...
33:16 Siddy to the rescue again.
Horney island indeed.
Where've you beenand why aren't you listening? You're such a pass master at double entendre that it comes naturally Alex. As you might say.
Geographical map of 1924 was the most important that showed the directions of the tube with the roads, the current maps are a let down, why can’t we have the 1924 style maps in our pockets and at tube stations?.
19:26 Caught on the hop but no, Alex, it's the exact opposite. If Mansion House were shut, it wouldn't be shewn on the sticker.
Happily and annoyingly at the same time, I'm not nerd enuf to know what caused the stickerisation of this part of town.
The district and circle line are the underground not tubes . All the maps say underground on the bottom please get it right
I suspect it was a slip of the tongue, Barry. Have you got a time code of when we got it wrong? The ‘tube’ is colloquial London chat, really. To say the District and Circle Cut and Cover would be a bit of a mouthful too, as sadly to call them underground is, in places, factually incorrect too. It’s a minefield, as I’m sure you’ll agree. Thank you for watching though.
Hi Barry. We have covered the difference between sub-surface Underground and deep-tube railways several times in different episodes so we quite agree there is a distinction and you will no doubt have heard us make it. However the Underground adopted the term "Tube" to refer to the whole system a long time ago and this is referenced in TfL's official style guide. Therefore "Tube Planner" (quad royal station map) or "Tube map" (pocket map) is the printed title of the map of the whole Underground (not just the deep-tube railways) rather than "Underground" and the anniversary in 2013 was branded "Tube 150" to celebrate 150 years since the opening of the first sub-surface railway - the Metropolitan Railway. We do of course make occasional mistakes in what we say but this time we were on point.
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After Sydney's much shorter lockdown. Priority ONE hair, TWO a cup of coffee from a real ceramic cup in a cafe. 🏳🌈
Not a record breaker, shame when it started so well. But, looking forward to next week. How many of the viewers are likely to make it to LTM on the 17th?