Funny seeing a few .45-70 haters in the comments. They clearly haven't shot the round, some may have and are unable to handle it. Also, don't argue with them, it's like trying to reason with a teenager.
New subscriber here, excellent show!! I have a Pedersoli Q model Sharps rifle with a 34" bbl, am originally from Maine retired now live in Florida, I hope to try it on a big wild boar sometime, it's unbelievably accurate ❤
Thanks for the positive comment and the view. This was a fun one to do. I totally understand why this grand lady is still around, and will be for quite some time. Thanks again!
Seriously cool and will get the job done in the field. I would really like to have a .45-70 but I am not a hunter. Too expensive to be just a range tool imo, but maybe someday. I like your use of gel and the tactical cardboard backstop to aid in projectile capture. Nice to see the expansion / penetration of the pew round.
3wheelmannc, Every day that you wait, it becomes that much more expensive, not just in the initial cost, but in the cost spread over a diminishing time. I didn't have a "need" for one, but on sale for $400 years (now dacades) ago i bit the bullet. Ammo was expensive, but aquiring a die set and bullets helped. Eventually bought cases and now have handloaded wax, plastic, shotshells, cast round balls, lead and even plated bullets. A purpose to each... ☆
Firstly great video but grossly incomplete , here's what you missed . Round nose bullets drill wood , paper and gel . Flat nose stop short but offer good hunting choices . speed plays a factor on impact , 1300fps to 1800fps is preferred for deep penetration regardless of distance from target . Hollow points are what I call coyote or varmint loads . 45/70s were made for 500 grain slugs not modern expanding bullets . They just blow up , damaging meat and wasting your harvest . Load up a 500 grain round nose cast bullet at 1500fps and try again . ps; get more cardboard 😉
Yet again, YT showed my comment as posted, but later it's completely gone. Part of it was...it would be great if someone could test a wide variety of Sharps style rifles in 45-70.
The bullets you used in the video are good but they do not compare to the Garrett 420 grain Hammerhead round produced by the Garrett ammo company. Here is a link to an article of Vince Lupo who used that round in Africa to take the "Big 5" back in 2002!
Use the Hatcher model of stopping power. It works for all projectiles as it takes into account, not only the velocity ( squared) on the foot pounds of energy, but the bullet weight and projectiles diameter. That bullet diameter has a large impact ( no pun intended) on how it delivers that energy. Example 4570: velocity X bullet diameter (inches) X bullet weight in grains divided by 7000 ( grains per pound) Example : 1600 fps X 405 grains X 458 ÷ 7000 43.397 power factor Compare that to a typical 30-06 : 2900 fps X 150 grain X. 308 ÷ 7000. = 19 14 If you use only mu,zzle energy they would be alot closer. That equation is 1/2 mv squared. Or velocity squared X bullet weight ÷ 450240 = muzzle energy. That muzzle energy is the main reason why some claim that the 9mm is just as good as the 45 acp. Simply not the case.... just apply the Hatcher test and see the real results.
@@denisdegamon8224I appreciate your response but I was being facetious. Knock down power or Stopping power are meaningless terms. Assigning an arbitrary number based upon a dubious mathematical equation demonstrates almost nothing to show a calibers effectiveness or ‘knockdown power’ Bullet construction and shot placement will have significantly greater effect on any calibers ability to ‘knock down’ game. A hunter using a 300 win mag firing an fmj who gut shot a whitetail will not knockdown the deer despite whatever impressive looking number was derived from the formula. On the other hand a hunter using a .243 firing a proper controlled expansion bullet who shot a whitetail through the heart will knockdown the deer despite the formula showing how comparatively little knockdown power it has.
Every time I see a headline like this my VERY FIRST THOUGHT is ..."Compared to WHAT?" For instance, the .45-90 or the .45-110 blows the .45-70 into the weeds. Further, with the .45-70's trajectory approaching that of a grenade launcher (ok, slight exaggeration but you get my point:), there exist the proverbial 'WHOLE BUNCH' of more modern caliber's that will deliver more terminal performance delivering greater energy , at greater range, with better trajectory. Hell, even some of the big caliber pistol rounds can beat it. If you just like the cartridge because of the history, romance, and just warmth it brings to your gut when you shoot it, that's Fine! In this country, you still get to make your own choices..at least for awhile longer...The .45 70 is like a very big brother to the 30-30- each will always have its supporters...however as a simple matter of physics, there are plenty of better caliber's for every application I can imagine. But since you like it, go for it:)
@@sparky_-mf2cs Not sure you read my entire post (sorry, yes it's long) BUT what I pointed out was, fine if you like it, enjoy shooting it, etc. well that's what the shooting SPORT is all about. Even so, there's a LOT of other cartridges that do it 'better'.
@seeratlasdtyria4584 Your statement about" thers a LOT more cartridges that do it better" can be said about almost if not every cartridge out ther... regarless 45-70 is still a powerhouse. Thers a reason guides in Alaska montana and other places prefer it over ALOT of other cartridges...last time i checked a dead animal cant tell the difference between a " better " cartridge
if it's so "powerful" why do they hot load it and why do they have much more powerful; rds on the market, hmm? Id much rather have an AR in 458 SOCOM, with a silencer and night sights. Just as much power, a subsonic, quiet option, twice as fast repeat shots, lighter gun. I can always swap the uppers and have 223 and a 22 lr conversion unit, for practice, varminting, matchers, shtf. It makes far more sense than a single-purpose clunker like the 45-70 level action
I can get a supressor for my ruger made marlin 1895 sbl and make it just as quiet as the ar in .458 socom, yeah you ain't getting faster repeat shots because of the recoil the socom round produces. As for the hot loads tell me you don't have a 9mm glock 17 that has +p defense ammo that's a hot load and I believe only buffalo bore offers heavy load options for the 45-70. Also With the SBL it holds 7 rounds Which surpasses the AR for hunting as you are limited to 5 rounds.
@@brandondavis4306 I build and sell AR 10 uppers in 375 WSM and 458 WSM that whip that 45-70 to be like a 22 LR. And I am not the only AR 10 builder to build AR 10s in all of the WSM cartridges and wildcats like the 375 WSM and 458 WSM just look for 458 WSM AR 10 on RUclips for the video of Arsenal descents AR 10 458WSM
@@sparky_-mf2cs Each to their own liking of anything. Myself I do own Marlins in 30-30 and 35 Rem and I don't see any great advantages to these rifles and against the AR 10s I build uppers for and sell in all of the WSM magnums and two wildcat cartridges in 358 WSM and a 375 WSM the lever guns have nothing over these AR 10s. There is on RUclips a company that builds and sells AR 10s in 458 WSM just type that in for a search on the video and watch an AR 10 in 458 WSM being shot
Impressive!! Hits like a freight train with no breaks!! That round will definitely get the job done!!
It does many things well, and is a real stand out in several important areas. I have grown to like it very much as well. Thanks for the video.
Funny seeing a few .45-70 haters in the comments. They clearly haven't shot the round, some may have and are unable to handle it. Also, don't argue with them, it's like trying to reason with a teenager.
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That lead bullet behaved more like a hardcast lead hunting bullet than a softer "cowboy action" bullet.
New subscriber here, excellent show!! I have a Pedersoli Q model Sharps rifle with a 34" bbl, am originally from Maine retired now live in Florida, I hope to try it on a big wild boar sometime, it's unbelievably accurate ❤
The U.S.Army acquired this cartridge because as wielded by the cavalry, it was potent enough to bring down an injun brave's horse. Also it had reach.
Great show and information!
Michael Herrell
Thanks for the positive comment and the view. This was a fun one to do. I totally understand why this grand lady is still around, and will be for quite some time. Thanks again!
Left handed ❤. I use a 420gr flat nose LBT at 1700fps out of my Marlin. Trust me she will " gong". That is a lot of cardboard.
To ring that steel, try a 405gr Belt Mountain Punch Solid. 😊
Amazing video..
Seriously cool and will get the job done in the field. I would really like to have a .45-70 but I am not a hunter. Too expensive to be just a range tool imo, but maybe someday. I like your use of gel and the tactical cardboard backstop to aid in projectile capture. Nice to see the expansion / penetration of the pew round.
3wheelmannc,
Every day that you wait, it becomes that much more expensive, not just in the initial cost, but in the cost spread over a diminishing time.
I didn't have a "need" for one, but on sale for $400 years (now dacades) ago i bit the bullet. Ammo was expensive, but aquiring a die set and bullets helped. Eventually bought cases and now have handloaded wax, plastic, shotshells, cast round balls, lead and even plated bullets. A purpose to each... ☆
Heavy bullets for sure
How about some fresh, clear blocks before any tests? thanks
Firstly great video but grossly incomplete , here's what you missed .
Round nose bullets drill wood , paper and gel . Flat nose stop short but offer good hunting choices .
speed plays a factor on impact , 1300fps to 1800fps is preferred for deep penetration regardless of distance from target .
Hollow points are what I call coyote or varmint loads . 45/70s were made for 500 grain slugs not modern expanding bullets . They just blow up , damaging meat and wasting your harvest .
Load up a 500 grain round nose cast bullet at 1500fps and try again .
ps; get more cardboard 😉
Yet again, YT showed my comment as posted, but later it's completely gone. Part of it was...it would be great if someone could test a wide variety of Sharps style rifles in 45-70.
What distance are you firing from?
We were firing at 25 yards. Thanks for the view.
What was the rifle used?
The bullets you used in the video are good but they do not compare to the Garrett 420 grain Hammerhead round produced by the Garrett ammo company. Here is a link to an article of Vince Lupo who used that round in Africa to take the "Big 5" back in 2002!
How many units of stopping power does the 45-70 have?
Use the Hatcher model of stopping power. It works for all projectiles as it takes into account, not only the velocity ( squared) on the foot pounds of energy, but the bullet weight and projectiles diameter. That bullet diameter has a large impact ( no pun intended) on how it delivers that energy.
Example 4570: velocity X bullet diameter (inches) X bullet weight in grains divided by 7000 ( grains per pound)
Example : 1600 fps X 405 grains X 458 ÷ 7000
43.397 power factor
Compare that to a typical 30-06 : 2900 fps X 150 grain X. 308 ÷ 7000. = 19 14
If you use only mu,zzle energy they would be alot closer.
That equation is 1/2 mv squared. Or velocity squared X bullet weight ÷ 450240 = muzzle energy.
That muzzle energy is the main reason why some claim that the 9mm is just as good as the 45 acp. Simply not the case.... just apply the Hatcher test and see the real results.
@@denisdegamon8224I appreciate your response but I was being facetious. Knock down power or Stopping power are meaningless terms.
Assigning an arbitrary number based upon a dubious mathematical equation demonstrates almost nothing to show a calibers effectiveness or ‘knockdown power’
Bullet construction and shot placement will have significantly greater effect on any calibers ability to ‘knock down’ game.
A hunter using a 300 win mag firing an fmj who gut shot a whitetail will not knockdown the deer despite whatever impressive looking number was derived from the formula.
On the other hand a hunter using a .243 firing a proper controlled expansion bullet who shot a whitetail through the heart will knockdown the deer despite the formula showing how comparatively little knockdown power it has.
Every time I see a headline like this my VERY FIRST THOUGHT is ..."Compared to WHAT?" For instance, the .45-90 or the .45-110 blows the .45-70 into the weeds. Further, with the .45-70's trajectory approaching that of a grenade launcher (ok, slight exaggeration but you get my point:), there exist the proverbial 'WHOLE BUNCH' of more modern caliber's that will deliver more terminal performance delivering greater energy , at greater range, with better trajectory. Hell, even some of the big caliber pistol rounds can beat it. If you just like the cartridge because of the history, romance, and just warmth it brings to your gut when you shoot it, that's Fine! In this country, you still get to make your own choices..at least for awhile longer...The .45 70 is like a very big brother to the 30-30- each will always have its supporters...however as a simple matter of physics, there are plenty of better caliber's for every application I can imagine. But since you like it, go for it:)
Its not a comparison video...idk where you got that idea from...overall it is a good stopping cartridge/round and proven for over 100 years buddy...
@@sparky_-mf2cs Not sure you read my entire post (sorry, yes it's long) BUT what I pointed out was, fine if you like it, enjoy shooting it, etc. well that's what the shooting SPORT is all about. Even so, there's a LOT of other cartridges that do it 'better'.
@seeratlasdtyria4584 Your statement about" thers a LOT more cartridges that do it better" can be said about almost if not every cartridge out ther... regarless 45-70 is still a powerhouse. Thers a reason guides in Alaska montana and other places prefer it over ALOT of other cartridges...last time i checked a dead animal cant tell the difference between a " better " cartridge
4570govt “ thumper
It is the .45-70 Government CARTRIDGE not caliber.
Lefty
Sir I would love to have a job like your doing, but you sure are long winded, no afence
if it's so "powerful" why do they hot load it and why do they have much more powerful; rds on the market, hmm? Id much rather have an AR in 458 SOCOM, with a silencer and night sights. Just as much power, a subsonic, quiet option, twice as fast repeat shots, lighter gun. I can always swap the uppers and have 223 and a 22 lr conversion unit, for practice, varminting, matchers, shtf. It makes far more sense than a single-purpose clunker like the 45-70 level action
Please put together the rifle and accessories you described, and post a video of you testing them.
I can get a supressor for my ruger made marlin 1895 sbl and make it just as quiet as the ar in .458 socom, yeah you ain't getting faster repeat shots because of the recoil the socom round produces. As for the hot loads tell me you don't have a 9mm glock 17 that has +p defense ammo that's a hot load and I believe only buffalo bore offers heavy load options for the 45-70. Also With the SBL it holds 7 rounds Which surpasses the AR for hunting as you are limited to 5 rounds.
@@brandondavis4306 I build and sell AR 10 uppers in 375 WSM and 458 WSM that whip that 45-70 to be like a 22 LR.
And I am not the only AR 10 builder to build AR 10s in all of the WSM cartridges and wildcats like the 375 WSM and 458 WSM just look for 458 WSM AR 10 on RUclips for the video of Arsenal descents AR 10 458WSM
But the cool factor goes way up with a lever action 🤠 😎
@@sparky_-mf2cs Each to their own liking of anything.
Myself I do own Marlins in 30-30 and 35 Rem and I don't see any great advantages to these rifles and against the AR 10s I build uppers for and sell in all of the WSM magnums and two wildcat cartridges in 358 WSM and a 375 WSM the lever guns have nothing over these AR 10s.
There is on RUclips a company that builds and sells AR 10s in 458 WSM just type that in for a search on the video and watch an AR 10 in 458 WSM being shot