Mike Battaglia | Sweet Lorraine (31-TET version) - Some Stride Piano for you all
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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Some stride piano for you all! This is the jazz standard "Sweet Lorraine." Hope you enjoy.
This version is tuned to 31 tone equal temperament ("31-TET"). I start off mostly playing things that sound like 12, but as the tune goes on, I start throwing in musical techniques that are way different from 12!
There's also a version in 19 tone equal temperament: • Mike Battaglia | Sweet...
Since I don't have a 31-TET instrument, I had to make this in a few parts. First, I made notes about the scales/chords/progressions/etc that I wanted to play at some point. Then I did an initial rendition in 12, where I played the closest equivalent to those things. Then I did an initial "naive" retune to 31-TET, where I just changed each 12-TET note to the nearest 31-TET note. Since this isn't always the "right" way to retune, I then went note-by-note and changed every note so that it was right, e.g. making sure I play "C#" when I want C# and "Db" when I want Db. Then I changed whatever was left to match my notes, e.g. replaced some chromatic runs with the "miracle" decatonic scale, etc. This was all in Pianoteq.
Some background information on 19-TET and 31-TET for you...
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19-TET and 31-TET are two "magic numbers" of notes per octave that are magically "backward-compatible" with most Western music, but also have new stuff. This is a pretty rare property! If you tried playing this tune with, for instance, 18, 20, 23, or 30 notes per octave, or whatever, it wouldn't happen - some of these tunings don't even have major chords in them. But with 19-TET and 31-TET, things magically sync up. The only other small equal temperament you get this property with is 24-TET (aka just adding exact "quarter tones" to 12-TET).
To be brief about it, 31-TET was basically the main tuning used in Europe for hundreds of years. To be precise, the European tuning was something called "1/4-comma meantone," mathematically derived slightly differently, but in which the notes they used are all within a cent or two of 31-TET. As a result, music theorists have talking about 31-TET going all the way back to the Renaissance!
Similarly, 19-TET is within a fraction of a cent of "1/3-comma meantone" - less common than 31-TET/1/4-comma, but also talked about for hundreds of years. However, harpsichords tuned to a 19-tone subset of 31-TET were fairly common, such as this reconstruction of Carlo Gesualdo's "Chromatic Harpsichord," built by Augusto Bonza, photo by son Alberto Bonza (www.milanocast.... Many of these existed for hundreds of years!
If your goal is to be able to play Western music and also add new things, then 31-TET has some truly incredible properties, and is somewhat of a musical "Rosetta Stone": not only does it have its historical background with meantone temperament, but it also has a really good approximation to harmonics up to the 11-limit; it has something like "quarter tones" in that you get a "neutral third" or "middle third" right between the minor and major thirds, likewise with a "neutral second," etc; you have scales somewhat resembling Arabic maqam scales: Rast, Bayati, etc; an "enharmonic scale" that splits the whole tone into three and goes C-C#-Db-D-...; many new chord progressions, scales, chords, etc; all with the meantone/tonal "backbone" when you want. It is also refreshing that the "blue note," aka the "middle third" between minor and major that blues musicians often play, now gets granted "real note" status in 31-TET, rather than being some "weird bendy thing" that doesn't get the status of properly "existing" as a "true note" in 12-TET.
19-TET is kind of the "mini" version of the above - you don't get neutral thirds, quasi-Arabic scales, or as good an approximation to the 11-limit, but you do get a taste of some of that stuff, if you play the proper voicings; you get the enharmonic scale; you get a whole host of new chords, chord progressions, and scales; you even get an approximation to the Bohlen Pierce scale; etc. It's a little quirky, but it has its own personality that I somewhat like! At the very least it's like "training wheels" for 31-TET with fewer notes.
In addition to 19 and 31, there are also some "quasi-Western" tunings at 17-TET (which has nice smooth "subminor" chords, but very strange sharp major chords), 22-TET (like an extreme version of 17-TET), 26-TET (in which everything is super flat, but it's kind of nice in a way), 27-TET (a super-extreme version of 17-TET and 22-TET), and 29-TET (Pythagorean-esque tuning with nice fifths but sharp major thirds) notes per octave. These are recognizable to some degree but are very different. You can listen to these at my SoundCloud, where I take a Bach Fugue and retune it to all of these tunings and a few others: / the-categorical-experi...
![Mike Battaglia | Infant Eyes [Wayne Shorter] (31-EDO, Lumatone)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uIYg8b2p8JY/mqdefault.jpg)
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YEAAAAAH!!
Jacob, if you're up for it, there's an entire army of microtonal musicians who would be dying to see you write something in a crazy tuning system like this, or maybe something crazier like 22-EDO or 17-EDO.
@@teddydunn3513 what would really fit for Jacob is the Kite Guitar (which he played for a few minutes an early prototype just a couple months after its invention in 2019). Instead of just being kinda out there, it would allow him the full range of normal JI-direction ear-based tuning *with* all the extra options. I'd be happy to see him do some 22 and 17 too, but yeah…
Wow, one genius giving a hats off to another, and we get to witness! Mike, everything about this is delicious: your jazz keyboard chops, the swing (shades of Oscar Peterson), and your navigation of the resources of 31-edo. Glad I was pointed to this video, it made my day.
Jacob, I have no words for the awe (and inspiration) you inspire. You are a giant. Greetings from Tuscon, AZ!
@@teddydunn3513 Yes, that would be sick!
The big man himself
I feel like I finally found people on yt who can make natural sounding microtonal music. Up to this point I've seen only experiments, theoretical videos praising in tune major 3rds in 31tet, but no one making actual practical use of it in actual music
check out zhea erose and brendan byrnes, they make good stuff ;)
And Hear Between The Lines's EP Radical Tenderness 😊
Sevish
My ears are always ready for a new performance from Mike. This was outstanding man
Hi sevish!
God exists, creation bears witness to it, but sin separates us from Him, and we sin, and deserve the hell, that is why He sent His Son Christ to live a Holy life, die on a Cross paying the penalty for our sins, saving His chosen ones of condemnation, dark powers and curses, reconciling us with God only by Faith in Jesus and His Sacrifice, *not by works,* so that no one can boast, Giving us Eternal Life, God bless you. Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
oml sevish jc all the greats in one place 😂
why isn't stuff like this on the radio
For the same reason we have climate change, the 1%, and reality TV
Because we aren't in the 40s anymore.
Because it is meant to play average music u won't pay attention to, so you don't get overexcited and crash with another vehicle.
@@danielperales3958 tbh fair enough
Don’t get me wrong, I think this is super cool, but the reason it’s not on the radio is because most people probably would think it sounds like shit.
WOW. This is SOOOO cool. This is exactly why i am so hyped about all of that microtonal nonsence. Can't wait for it to go mainstream, cuz we, as a society, as music enjoyers, NEED THIS
I have been waiting 30 years, so I suggest not to hold your breath. It is up to the young.
society
Another lolotronop spotted
@@alanrie BumperCode, кстати, тоже из наших, только с Дискорда
God exists, creation bears witness to it, but sin separates us from Him, and we sin, and deserve the hell, that is why He sent His Son Christ to live a Holy life, die on a Cross paying the penalty for our sins, saving His chosen ones of condemnation, dark powers and curses, reconciling us with God only by Faith in Jesus and His Sacrifice, *not by works,* so that no one can boast, Giving us Eternal Life, God bless you. Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
Awesome, Mike! You are definitely the greatest microtonal stride pianist of all time! 😊
I've been dying to hear 31 in this context/setting beyond just the mean-tone core! Not only is this really enjoyable and well crafted/performed; it is a really important piece of music too! Not gonna lie, I don't know how I feel about the colours and textures of 31 in this setting but I'm really grateful you made this.
You are criminally underappreciated
Very fascinating hearing this idiom in 31. Loved it.
This is one of the wildest things I've ever heard. Really digging that descending line in the xenharmonic ii-V-I turnaround - sounds like a record slowing down.
I love how it feels like it's almost bending my brain at times. It sounds metallic, but not evil like a lot of microtonal stuff can sometimes.
Very cool.
love the real time theory notes :D
This is tremendous
The changes at 1:33 are soo sweet
I listen to this every day, man, for months now.
This is my favorite Sweet Lorraine on the web. Thank you!
I appreciate the time you put into this! Thanks for the historical context as well. 1:31 🤯 The turnaround cycles going around in 4ths highlighted 31's sound and shifts the most to this casual listener. Like a pleasantly organized old out of tune upright bar piano. Would like to hear the same tuning in a few different genres too to show different musical context capabilities. Beautiful!
I'd also love to hear some more genres!
This exclusively has been stuck in my head for the past 48 hours it’s so gooooooood
I can't get over the b section. Those rhythms with that chord progression are just incredible.
1:29 how beautiful
I love those miracle decatonic riffs
it works so well for this style. your playing is phenomenal
Very cool, sounds a lot like meantone, but more flexible. It's the aural equivalent of seeing a brand new color. It is nice to see the "undesirable" intervals like those seen in meantone be used for different color and effect, a different kind of dissonance.
This is what I imagine normal music sounds like right before a seizure
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i love it
Wow! I absolutely love this music. I don't have the context to understand everything that's going on, but I'm excited to learn more about it.
Imma transcribe it ❤️
@@stephenweigel Feel free to let me know when you finish. I'm curious how 31-TET is generally written out.
@@rowenveratome hi, Stephen actually did finish transcribing this with the help of George Collier. Its on his channel, heres the link! ruclips.net/video/iddqvpAG2KA/видео.html
@@mikeyeyey8678 Thanks for letting me know! I looked at it - it seemed to be using conventional music notation, which surprised me. Maybe there were little symbols that I scanned over because I didn't know what they meant. If microtonal music becomes more popular, maybe we'll get a new writing system?
@@rowenveratome there are already ways to notate every equal temperament, and just intonation, with standard western notation (also, George Collier did not do any of the transcribing! He did repost though which was really cool). I’m working on making a video that will actually explain how to notate music in any equal temperament.
So inspiring. This channel has been a favorite for awhile now
Wow! Great playing and fantastic theory notes!
This is a good intro to microtonal stuff. Love this arrangement because it’s a bluesy tune, and with the added microtones make it sound like more of a Honkey Tonk, which is really cooooool!
Dude this is amazing. One of the few microtonal performances I’ve heard that’s actually pleasing to the ear. Mad props
one of the most beautiful things i've ever heard in my life
LOVE!
Incredible
This sounds like old recordings of ragtime because sound is sometimes distorted by the recording and the dissonance makes it sound distorted! Super cool!
So I only barely understand theory at this level. Tuning systems other than 12tet are so foreign, but they're so cool! I'm trying to understand more of what's happening here. It's wild.
Bro this is amazing. I’m extremely impressed with your transcription of this jazz standard! This is incredible
The amount of work and dedication you must have put to share this with us. Thank you!
This is so cool, the Enharmonic chord shifts sound very much like a record-slowdown effect, and the whole experience feels like a sort of chorusy/detuned effect that works really well with stride, but I imagine could really be used creatively in the same way a guitarist would use a pedal control on a chorus or flanger, but in the same way modern percussive guitar 'bakes in' a delay effect into the notes of the piece.
Bangin'!
you look happy while playing🥰
Pianoteq FTW🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wonderful ! 😀
This is so beautiful man! The blues are so extremely expressive in 31 TET, and your playing is so tasteful! Keep this up man, it's absolutely wonderful!
Whoa! This totally changed my perception of microtonal music
Bravissimo, Mike, many congratulations!
the "enharmonic" tritone-sub double-2-5 is so fucking sick
Wow!
Thanks for putting this together Mike, this vid gives me peace and joy and i come back to it every couple of weeks :)
In b4 Adam Neely samples this for a lofi hip hop track
Ha
Good gravy, this is mega!!
Mike please come back. I am starving for more music like this 🥲
wanna hear 31-TET heartaches by al bowley
Absolutely fantastic work, Mike.
this slaps with unbelievable force
Ok but this seriously sounds great
YES Mike amazing job
Thanks for sharing!
i just love how you put a scrolling text as subs like credits while background music is playing as the film is ending lol 😂
outstanding
My ears are smiling.
holy sweet jesus. subscribed and will check out everything new. that was stunning.
This is exquisitely played and utterly fascinating to hear! So much in this to explore, thank you for opening my ears. That wolf does howl, doesn’t it? Amazing
thanks for the playing, and all the very good info in the description.
Great Stuff !!!!
I've watched this many times since discovering it 2 weeks ago... I love this
I’m not sure how to describe how this sounds, but it’s so so so good. I love it!!
I keep coming back to this, great work man
Absolutely love it!
Very sweet sound!
This arrangement was gorgeous! 🤩
love it.
This is fantastic!
Nice nice playing!!!
This is fantastic!!
wha-.. you're crazy skilled dude, this is sick!
This is absolutely bananas, time to go down this rabbit hole :D
Great stuff ;) Keep on going
Outstanding
Thank you!
This is so beautiful oh my god thank you so much.
this is really great! how are you controlling the tuning changes, given that your keyboard looks totally normal? do you have a bunch of options set up on your computer, and a footswitch that switches between them or something?
I could be wrong, his notes aren’t clear at all, but I think he changed the pitches in post. Still waiting for confirmation myself.
@@JoshuaWillis89 yup, changed ‘em in post!
@@JoshuaWillis89 so that's how he did the notes on the clothes at the end!! was so confused
Sounds really cool -- at last, somebody who not only demonstrates a non-standard temperament, but gives us good music with it.
Just one problem, that the description of how this was done points out: It's really hard to build a 31-TET keyboard instrument(*). Not impossible, but you are going to need some serious money to make one unless you're making a low-cost synthesizer to start with, and even then it's not going to be easy. Edit: Something like this: ruclips.net/video/utQNjxoUNpY/видео.html
(*)And if you think that's bad, try 53-TET to get within a hairsbreadth of Just Intonation.
that was fkin sick holy shit
Perform as much as you can as you have bags of potential. 👌
Best video ever! Transcription coming soon :)
This totally blew my mind and made me want to quit lol
Awesome, man
You're into microtones too nice
middle 3rd:
the most feature of 31tet
(and that "flat" 6)
This is awesomeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
Love it
Hi, just a thing - subtitles on this video are automatically translated with no way to turn that off (I mean, there's a way but it doesn't work), which makes them completely unintelligible.
Damn this is soooooooo nice. Thank you
Could you also upload the 12-TET version as a comparison?
Sick.
Love to hear you play on Rhodes.
I need to learn how to braap xenharmonically
So, if I understand correctly… what we are seeing on the screen is you playing in 12 TET on a 12 TET keyboard, but then changing some of the pitches in post?
Yeah, that's right. I had an idea of the chords and scales I wanted to play in 31, so I played the nearest 12-EDO equivalent and then moved it to 31-EDO afterward
This is great! How are you doing this on a standard keyboard?!
WOW.
Jazz was the answer all along
This right here...this is beyond king shit. This is democratically-elected man of the people, respected elder statesman, remembered as the face of a new era shit. 🏅
Go Birds!
mike é brabo
How many years of lessons? Were they classical?