Why not 296 GTB Vs 720s 😂 Drag races were bad 10.8 for 720s 🤣🤣 720s spider does 10.1 on this surface 720s is definitely 100% faster than 750S or 296 GTB or 765LT 2019 720s is quicker and faster than all of them
@@TalksportWokistWombles That's a bit of a stretch. The TWR engine was based on the old VRH engine, but I think McLaren would have changed a few components since. I doubt much of the old VRH architecture remains, if any at all.
Yep even tho Matt jumped the last race but we all knows Matt never will lose a race. That’s why on the replay they didn’t show the angle of the hands going down.
I love the idea of the Mclaren 720s vx Mclaren 750s next time you guys should do Mclaren 720s,Mclaren 750s and the mclaren 765lt and if possible please add a p1 aswell it would be a awesome race
Well he loves to drag race. And if he gets a chance to go over n over he will definitely take it😂 Also he always tests cars in different modes,gears,rpm to see their performance and ofcourse he expected his 750 to win cz of more hp and torque
The point you should be taking from the redos is that cars can’t automatically hit a specific number every time. They depend on a lot of different factors. Besides, he also offers redos to the losing driver
ive realised when the 720s started off abit early it won and when the 750s started off earlier it won. that little start difference actually makes a huge diff observe closely( Excluding first race )
Respect for owning and actually using that 720 for 5 years. If I had a supercar I definitely wouldn't hide it away in a garage for most of the year. I'm taking it out in rain, sun or snow!
I wouldn’t know myself but do you not think you’d change your mind when you hand over the actual money and then have it there infront of you. I feel you’d drive it but also you may feel this is too much of a risk of losing the money.? You only live one and all that I get that. And I’d love to be taking it out everyday. But something tells me unless you’re rich af. Everyone would not take that in the snow. It will want to take you off the road in the rain at 150mph 😂
@@M140_- Yeah it's definitely a money thing...obviously to be able to buy one in the first place 😂...but also to maintain it with servicing, repairs, extended warranty, fuel, tyres etc. Like if I could comfortably cover those costs then yeah, I'd take it out all the time. But if I stretched myself to get the car, then probably not - but then unless you're buying it as an investment, I'd argue why buy it if you can't comfortably afford to run it.
It would be a weekend car for me . Because driving to work and back isn't worth the price to fix it and fuel it . Rather save that Money and properly enjoy the car on weekend. Yet again i wouldn't buy a McLaren, not saying they are bad or slow or anything, it's just not the first super car i would buy if i had the money. To be honest it's not in the top 5 either
Using it 5yr? a McLaren?😂 that 3 decade old nissan r390 engine wont do 60k miles and the gearbox goes first. Speaking to an owner he was on his 3rd gearbox and 2nd engine at 45k miles and had to pay for the 3rd gearbox himself as McLaren refused to fix it again. Possibly the least "usable" cars of all time
Imagine seeing pickups in ditches filled with snow, and then go take out your 'super car" which is crappy in snow because of crazy power and no tire tread. No, you wouldn't drive it after all of the hassle it is to own it. Believe me- I don't drive my 911 in the heart of the Rockies for 5 months a year and I have plenty of money and they wont sell me a Dakar because I haven't bought enough P cars yet.@@milinddixit6583
Well the tyres does do their work for sure both in the races and brakes test, and it's really a fact the technology that's being put into making tyres nowadays is way more advanced than many years ago , a very interesting set of races indeed 👍
Matt, you should do a drag race focused on the tires, get a group of the same car together but each has a different tire, see how much difference does it make and which one is the best
It would unfortunately have to be one vehicle with multiple wheels and tyres sets, otherwise to many variables with vehicles and drivers reaction times.
I just realized that ever since carwow has become so Tesla-focused I haven't watched it in over a month. Nice to see you doing something with actual cars again and not pieces of Tesla crap. Also glad I didn't sink any money into that carwow investment.
Both incredible cars. Can't go wrong with either. It amazes me just how good those cup 2 tires really are over Pirelli. My 992 came with Pirellis and I definitely have traction issues on them. I have PS4S on my G82 and those were just so sticky.
I recently upgraded my 992 to PS4S (from P Zeros) and difference wasn't nearly as big as I expected...I think G8X has a BMW-spec PS4S which is even grippier? Either way, neither are as good as those 720's Cup 2s 🤤
@@The_Stanman If I lived in warmer climate I would buy Cup 2s. It's hard enough to drive the 992 in winter with summer tires on. Anything below 45F and I'm taking the wife's X7 instead.
@@plasmac9 that's actually the one benefit of the PS4S I have noticed -- grip in lower temps (below 45°). Not a huge deal for where I live, but might be worth upgrading for you. But X7 works too.
Had PS4S on my M4CX and they were great. But that car was awd and that definitely helped. The P zeros under 40F or when the roads are even a little wet regardless of air temp can be downright scary. The 992 came with the P zeros so I’ll keep them until I need to replace. Then I’ll get PS4S.
Had pzeros and mps4s on my gtr and 570, most notable difference is wet grip improvement using mps4s, hooks so much better than the pzeros. Benefit so notable the mac, much more confidence in the wet
The styling of the McLaren is outrageous. It is so hunkered down looking. Great chassis and feedback is fantastic. I like the compact size of the McLaren. Best supercar on the road without a doubt.
Curious to know the real dyno figures of the 750S now. It's like the 750S has the true 740HP claimed power figure, whereas the 720S has that typical Mclaren underdog 770HP dyno claimed power figure to not compete with other Mclaren model's sales 😂
@@finleypdoherty the best street time I've seen of the 296gtb was 9.96s, the 750s is almost as fast as the 296gtb so I think the 750s is capable of 10.0s in good condition. Porsche doesn't stand a chance
Seems like the 750s has better acceleration with the new shorter gear ratio but the 720s has better top end with the longer gear ratio + we know the 720s has more than 720hp so maybe these 2 cars has similar power at the end of the day
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
Thank you for this great track race. Both cars are total bargains compared to the cars from Italy and Porsche, especially when you compare performance to money.
I'm always curious - if 750 won the 1/4 with 10.5s is it possible that 720 had better time one or two rides before? Maybe it would be a good idea to always show the best time for each car? Regardless of which ride it was? 😎
Because they race in a runway not a drag strip. I’ve seen a 720s run 9.7-9.8 on perfect weather with Toyo 888r in a fully prep surface. On the same track, perfect weather and same tires, the 765 LT could run 9.3-9.4. The point here is they raced the cars side by side… the day might not been perfect (The runway is definitely not perfect but it’s the same for everyone). So the times are what they are.
would be nice when you do 3 or more drag races, that youd just take the best time from each vehicle and use those stats instead of the last most recent race. just a tip! always great vids!
I really like that Matt is going at the almost full armdrop now, rather than when the arms are just beginning to drop. A much fairer, and better race. Good One Matt :) Love your videos.
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
Never thought tyres can make that much difference, I considerd pirelli as great tyres but those cup 2's are at whole another level no wonder why michelin is no. 1
I dont think its the tyres mate. We can clearly see the 720s has less power off the line but reels in the 750 at higher speeds. The answer is GEARING. Shorter ratios on the 750 give more oooomph at low speeds and the longer ratios on the 720 give it more top speed.
Tyres always make a difference when it comes to performance cars. Owners will nearly always swap out pirellis. They've been proven time and time again to be much slower than others
Still like the styling of the 720 and 765 better than the more tame 750, but interesting to see the improvements off the line. Both cars could and should run about 0.5 faster in quarter under optimum conditions but this is equal footing to show the gap. Thanks CarWow! Love me some McLaren content!
I've given up on this channel. Used to be great, then they started focusing on Tesla garbage. Almost have to wonder if Tesla was their main investor in that carwow financial opportunity.
Intro - “what will win in a drag race between bla bla bla bla”…..I’m just spit balling here, but my monies on Mat given 95% of the time he’s in the fastest car with plenty of excuses if he looses 😂😂
Wow Mclaren weren’t kidding when they said they improved the car by a lot. Although small changes but they made big differences after seeing the races.
720s is faster than 750S 765 or McLaren P1 just need a good driver Watch 720s AutoTopNL Autobahn run 720s already proved to be faster than 765 or P1 on normal asphalt 720s is quicker and has highest top speed of McLarens
@@irtiza4262 first watch 720s Autobahn run it's Acceleration and top speed is both faster than P1 or 765LT I have compared 720s vs 765 watch the video I uploaded 720s on Autobahn did 1 mile in 24.7 seconds @206 mph 765LT 1 mile 24.9 sec @195 mph P1 25.48 sec @204 mph 720s on Autobahn 1/4 mile 9.8 seconds @146 mph 1/2 mile 15.3 seconds @175 mph 765LT on Autobahn 1/4 mile 9.8 sec @148 mph 1/2 mile 15.3 sec @174 mph Similar times but after 200 km/h 720s is faster than 765LT 720s 0-300 km/h 18.1 seconds 765LT 0-300 km/h 18.9 seconds almost 19 seconds McLaren P1 0-300 km/h 20.1 seconds Vbox But that's without launch control on McLaren P1 P1 0-300 kph is also between 18-19 seconds So 720s is faster 218 mph 352 km/h top speed verified by GPS On Jhonny bohmer proving grounds P1 did 214 mph on GPS 765LT maxed out at 201 mph on Autobahn only 321 km/h on GPS on Autobahn
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
the 750s probably has the OPF filter, so no wonder it got slower at the top end, all cars that got OPF became slower than their non-opf variants, for example OPF M5/M8 became a lot slower at the top end, the older models are gapping them in a roll race.
@@jaysosaaa7975 because it's the truth, in Dragtimes channel they raced 720S vs 918 Spyder 5 times and they were superclose (both around 9,90s/10,00s in the 1/4 mile). Meanwhile, SF90 is way faster, it always runs the 1/4 mile around 9,40s/9,50s. It will destroy both of them, it's even faster than 765LT.
So I believe that the shorter final drive in the 750S is beneficial from a standstill, however it's forced to shift way sooner thus making it easier to fall out of the best part of the power band.
@@Smzxe While it is true that McLaren underrates their cars, your numbers are too high. That 769 W_hp number was not done by the SAE standard, it was STD and it was not even done at a load based dyno. So you are looking at maybe 730 W_hp in the real world. Secondly the modern DCT transmission drive lines does not take 15%, more like 13%. So you are looking at about 830-840 C_hp not 880. This math you can do with the other numbers as well.
McLaren are known to break down . That's what made porsche what it is today. Their ability to be so reliable even when being pushed relentlessly on a track. Where as mclarens literally always have issues.
@@G82Watts thats not true at all. Mclarens are known to be reliable. They are one of if not the most reliable supercar. Where did you get your info from? youtube? Every talk to real owners? Mechanics? Hundreds of owners in the forums? Maybe do your research before trying to spread a lie.
Agreed. I suspect the 720S actually has more power. There are already dyno test videos on youtube showing the 720S has close to 790hp. They're easy to find. The 750S might actually make close to its actual rated power. Many Mclarens made signicantly more than claimed, but the 600LT actually made 600hp. The Senna made about 840hp, not the 789bhp they stated.
Add a advanced car diagnostic tool and I think we will see that the slip rate between front and rear axle is different between the cars, due too tyre difference. Would be interesting...
Less traction will hurt you off the line, and shorter gearing will improve your mid range acceleration but hurt the top end. I don't know a huge amount about the 750 tbh, but if they've worked in a bit more downforce that'll also hurt at higher speeds
We know from multiple dyno tests the 720S actually has around 790hp at the crank/flywheel. Maybe the 750S actually has closer to its advertised figure. That's my takeaway. The 720S was always faster than the Ferrari Pista because the while both had the same claimed power, the Pista actually made 710bhp. The final drive is the only shorter ratio, same as the 765LT.
Shorter gearing creates a final drive ratio that isn’t optimized for top speed, more so for acceleration. Longer gears let the engine crank out through the powerband more, giving you more top end shove. At least that’s how I believe it works. Something also tells me something may have been awry with the 750S. I’ve seen other videos with it and it’s been quicker. Not a crazy difference because they’ve both got hypercar-like power delivery but it’s definitely noticeable
Traction. It's why a rwd will smoke the same awd car on a prepped surface. Take the 992 for example. 4S vs S on a prepped surface and the rwd S runs away with it. But put them on regular street asphalt and the 4S takes it.
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
Wow, so much heat soak. Fun fact most of the mechanical issues all McLarens suffer from is the fact that the intercoolers are piped into the radiator and the turbos use the engine oil. It really shows here in this video
So it's clear that McLaren no longer makes an important upgrade to their cars today. All are the same. The 720s rides like the 750s... actually faster! The P1 with 1000hp rides the same as the 765LT (see the vs on DragTimes) The Senna rides the same as the others.. in short, no difference in performance, it doesn't matter if it has 1000hp vs 750hp, much the same. what a shame for the McLaren brand! Unfortunately, the facts speak for themselves.
Really shows how lazy Mclaren was with this iteration. Virtually no difference between these machines. Add 30 hp, tweak the gearing, body paint the front end instead of 2 tone. Change the exhaust. Update infotainment. Thats it.
I’ve heard from McLaren mechanics that if you just weekend drive them they break on you since the engine components aren’t warmed up But when you daily drive them and keep everything warm they are a lot more Reliable
Not far off. What's funny is that people are already dynoing them, and some have found them to be a bit down from the 720S, But the 720S was massively underrated.
@@jozefjozefczyk3936 More like 780. That test Brooks from Dragtjmes did, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. These transmissions have a loss closer to 13% not 15%. Also, they used an STD correction not SAE. So doing the numbers based off of a inertia style Dynojet using STD, you can deduct about 10% to get it to the equivalent of a load based SAE number. So 780-785 is probably correct.
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First, please pin my comment, I'm your biggest fan
Why not 296 GTB Vs 720s 😂
Drag races were bad 10.8 for 720s 🤣🤣
720s spider does 10.1 on this surface
720s is definitely 100% faster than 750S or 296 GTB or 765LT
2019 720s is quicker and faster than all of them
he he hi
Thanks Mat for This Drag race.
I still remember all those videos when the 720s came out and it dogwalked almost any other car at the time I’m amazed it still pulls so hard
if you can find a working one😂 that 3 decade old Nissan R390 engine doesnt last, gearbox goes first though
@@TalksportWokistWomblesthere not even bad mechanically!
@@HasanAhmed-xd2bc 🤣 you joking right? They are notorious for blown engines, gearboxes and abysmal bodywork. The entire thing is junk
@@TalksportWokistWombles So what colour is yours??
@@TalksportWokistWombles That's a bit of a stretch. The TWR engine was based on the old VRH engine, but I think McLaren would have changed a few components since. I doubt much of the old VRH architecture remains, if any at all.
Finally, an owner who can drive their car as intended.
I wish the owner of the 750S is actually Hanayo Koizumi.
Thanks!
Especially botox guy kills me
is this a throwback to the ford gt driver?
@@cyz44 yes.
What I liked most about this one is that the guest driver knew exactly when to start. Really well done!
And also very well executed.
@@purwantiallan5089I was a bit worried at first, but man, that was spot on. For dig and roll.
except the last race. For some reason he was sleeping on the arm drop
Guest won two out of three until Matt changed the rules again 😂
It's all because of the market. The new one should win hands down@@HATCHETHAS
Finally a driver who launches properly and doesn't sleep on the line 👍
Yep even tho Matt jumped the last race but we all knows Matt never will lose a race. That’s why on the replay they didn’t show the angle of the hands going down.
I love the idea of the Mclaren 720s vx Mclaren 750s next time you guys should do Mclaren 720s,Mclaren 750s and the mclaren 765lt and if possible please add a p1 aswell it would be a awesome race
I was thinking the same thing 😂
Cup 2 tyres sales up 3% 😂
After seeing this I'd get Cup 2s on my Kia Cee'd as well 😆
They’re track tyres that it’s hard to get up to temp on road or wet.
Cup 2 on normal roads are basically unusable. You can prob use them 10-15 days in a whole year.
or live in somewhere hot. Like scorching.@@eatdahl
@@123mircwhat about Seat Cupra?
Would’ve been great to see the 765lt aswell
My Favourite Car is Pagani Imola ❤😂
@@MortalEvoRchappy birthday
I like the Suzuki Escudo
@@MortalEvoRcValid opinion❤…..but why comment it here?😂
Hey Matt
Here’s an idea for a drag race
12c vs 650s vs 675lt vs 720s vs 765lt vs 750s
That 720 driver knows how to drive his car and not scared to push its limits!
Same goes to Emma Verde and Yuu Takasaki driving the Ferrari F50 GT and 599B Maranello.
@@purwantiallan5089 what does that have to do with anything?
Do you know where these carwow drag races are held?
lol if you push McLaren to its limits you either wrap around a tree or leave any car behind.
Uses it all the time nearly 13k miles over five years
Matt in EVERY single video seems like the kid who doesn’t accept to lose and force the other kids to play again until he finally wins 😂
Well he loves to drag race. And if he gets a chance to go over n over he will definitely take it😂
Also he always tests cars in different modes,gears,rpm to see their performance and ofcourse he expected his 750 to win cz of more hp and torque
Absolutely
The point you should be taking from the redos is that cars can’t automatically hit a specific number every time. They depend on a lot of different factors. Besides, he also offers redos to the losing driver
lol I agree
ive realised when the 720s started off abit early it won and when the 750s started off earlier it won. that little start difference actually makes a huge diff observe closely( Excluding first race )
That is someone who knows how to race, a proper guest this time!
Keep this guest for the next Carwow Drag Race episodes.
Do you know the location of where these drag races are held?
Thank you.
@@thecarfilmingsafetyguy brother please tell me the location where this drag race took place ? What’s the name of location?
@@thecarfilmingsafetyguy what’s the name of this drag strip?
Respect for owning and actually using that 720 for 5 years. If I had a supercar I definitely wouldn't hide it away in a garage for most of the year. I'm taking it out in rain, sun or snow!
I wouldn’t know myself but do you not think you’d change your mind when you hand over the actual money and then have it there infront of you. I feel you’d drive it but also you may feel this is too much of a risk of losing the money.? You only live one and all that I get that. And I’d love to be taking it out everyday. But something tells me unless you’re rich af. Everyone would not take that in the snow. It will want to take you off the road in the rain at 150mph 😂
@@M140_- Yeah it's definitely a money thing...obviously to be able to buy one in the first place 😂...but also to maintain it with servicing, repairs, extended warranty, fuel, tyres etc. Like if I could comfortably cover those costs then yeah, I'd take it out all the time. But if I stretched myself to get the car, then probably not - but then unless you're buying it as an investment, I'd argue why buy it if you can't comfortably afford to run it.
It would be a weekend car for me .
Because driving to work and back isn't worth the price to fix it and fuel it .
Rather save that Money and properly enjoy the car on weekend.
Yet again i wouldn't buy a McLaren, not saying they are bad or slow or anything, it's just not the first super car i would buy if i had the money.
To be honest it's not in the top 5 either
Using it 5yr? a McLaren?😂 that 3 decade old nissan r390 engine wont do 60k miles and the gearbox goes first. Speaking to an owner he was on his 3rd gearbox and 2nd engine at 45k miles and had to pay for the 3rd gearbox himself as McLaren refused to fix it again. Possibly the least "usable" cars of all time
Imagine seeing pickups in ditches filled with snow, and then go take out your 'super car" which is crappy in snow because of crazy power and no tire tread. No, you wouldn't drive it after all of the hassle it is to own it. Believe me- I don't drive my 911 in the heart of the Rockies for 5 months a year and I have plenty of money and they wont sell me a Dakar because I haven't bought enough P cars yet.@@milinddixit6583
We wanna see 765LT toooooo😢😢
quit crying ya big baby
Then go buy one and bring it there to race. Lol
Just watch Andew Tate, he has few of those xD
@@mrbane2000Karin Asaka also has one McLaren 765LT in her garage.😊
@@mtnvalley9298😂😂😂. Exactly. Once the 765 hook then its bye bye...
Andy's 720 is a perfect example of McLaren getting it right the first time. No need for a new model yet..
Well the tyres does do their work for sure both in the races and brakes test, and it's really a fact the technology that's being put into making tyres nowadays is way more advanced than many years ago , a very interesting set of races indeed 👍
Gosh darn it, Matt... I am insanely jealous of your job!
"Hmmmm, that drag race hasn't answered anything, let's go again" 😂. LOVE IT!
Spoilers:the maclarne won
…..
Maclarne surely did win
##"Mclaren"##
Damn you 😢
An incredible achievement for maclarne, considering they don't make any cars.
I think the S won
Matt, you should do a drag race focused on the tires, get a group of the same car together but each has a different tire, see how much difference does it make and which one is the best
It would unfortunately have to be one vehicle with multiple wheels and tyres sets, otherwise to many variables with vehicles and drivers reaction times.
As expected, not enough power to make a difference and shorter final drive hurting top end but making it faster down low
💯
The 720s is fucking fast!!!
Get a set of lights please to start the drag race
Thiiiiiis FML
God yes. This drives me nuts.
Maybe in the very next one.
Yes please
No. Boring
Getting a 750s to a drag strip is hard but like always matt gets it done.
Matt Watson thankfully doesnt jumped the start this time.
Yeah yeah he won 😂 it was all played that way 🤦
alwasys jump start this soab
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Mat you should swop sides of the track and race both ways. Seen in the past how much difference this can make. Great show, love the content as always
Great vid.
Wow - I was not expecting that.
I just realized that ever since carwow has become so Tesla-focused I haven't watched it in over a month. Nice to see you doing something with actual cars again and not pieces of Tesla crap. Also glad I didn't sink any money into that carwow investment.
Both incredible cars. Can't go wrong with either. It amazes me just how good those cup 2 tires really are over Pirelli. My 992 came with Pirellis and I definitely have traction issues on them. I have PS4S on my G82 and those were just so sticky.
I recently upgraded my 992 to PS4S (from P Zeros) and difference wasn't nearly as big as I expected...I think G8X has a BMW-spec PS4S which is even grippier?
Either way, neither are as good as those 720's Cup 2s 🤤
@@The_Stanman If I lived in warmer climate I would buy Cup 2s. It's hard enough to drive the 992 in winter with summer tires on. Anything below 45F and I'm taking the wife's X7 instead.
@@plasmac9 that's actually the one benefit of the PS4S I have noticed -- grip in lower temps (below 45°). Not a huge deal for where I live, but might be worth upgrading for you. But X7 works too.
Had PS4S on my M4CX and they were great. But that car was awd and that definitely helped. The P zeros under 40F or when the roads are even a little wet regardless of air temp can be downright scary. The 992 came with the P zeros so I’ll keep them until I need to replace. Then I’ll get PS4S.
Had pzeros and mps4s on my gtr and 570, most notable difference is wet grip improvement using mps4s, hooks so much better than the pzeros. Benefit so notable the mac, much more confidence in the wet
“What will win in a drag race…” a perfect start of the weekend.
Andy's a gent, def get him back more often!
Thank you.
Yes he is, let Mat win for some reason 🤦
The styling of the McLaren is outrageous. It is so hunkered down looking. Great chassis and feedback is fantastic. I like the compact size of the McLaren. Best supercar on the road without a doubt.
Curious to know the real dyno figures of the 750S now. It's like the 750S has the true 740HP claimed power figure, whereas the 720S has that typical Mclaren underdog 770HP dyno claimed power figure to not compete with other Mclaren model's sales 😂
That 15% decrease on the gearbox makes a difference. Im guessing the 750s would be a better performer on a track due to the reduction.
Which one is better for drag and rolling race? 720 or 750 or 765?
@@ноунейм-л8ж i don't know, im not qualified in that arena.
765
the gearbox is the junkiest part of McLarens. Lucky to get 25k miles out of one box
Its only the final drive, if you paid attention. Its the same gearing as the 765LT. All the other gear ratios are the same.
750s vs 765lt????
The 765lt would gap it 😂
@ fr😭
I've got the Porsche 911 Turbo S always in my mind for reference, when I watch "What exactly happens".
an these weren't as quick
@@finleypdoherty750s beat Porsche
@@jozefjozefczyk3936 not in this video, the Porsche has done 10.1 on carwow.
@@finleypdoherty the best street time I've seen of the 296gtb was 9.96s, the 750s is almost as fast as the 296gtb so I think the 750s is capable of 10.0s in good condition. Porsche doesn't stand a chance
@@finleypdoherty It's February and they're in England, mate. 10.5 when it's 5 degrees out is fast as fuck.
Thank you! Finally a drag race between these two!
What makes this drag race interesting is that both cars were born for this!
It’s common knowledge those 720’s are actually more like 750-760 bhp
~790hp
Yeah even my nan knows that
Yeah even the nan of shanginadildo knows that
So what is the real power figures for the 750s ? 800 820 ?
So the 750s has about almost 800.
I love being an American watching your content. I get these cool videos to watch at 1am before bed
Seems like the 750s has better acceleration with the new shorter gear ratio but the 720s has better top end with the longer gear ratio
+ we know the 720s has more than 720hp so maybe these 2 cars has similar power at the end of the day
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
720s engine is also broken in, which I think helped it too.
Well, look at the big brain on...
@@tro3y they should use the 2019 720s against 765 and 750s
2019 720s can beat them
Race a Porsche turbo s, a McLaren 720/750s, and a Tesla model X plaid with the crew inside. Let’s see it
Thank you for this great track race. Both cars are total bargains compared to the cars from Italy and Porsche, especially when you compare performance to money.
Where is the 765LT... why don't you put all 3 of them in one race... that will be epic
Yes. Add also GT BY CITROEN RACE CAR to race against 720S and 765LT.
Do you know where these carwow drag races take place?
Make it happen Matt!
@@purwantiallan5089it’s one off concept car and the real version has a V8
Matt, include the 765LT, too. This video was amazing!
I'm always curious - if 750 won the 1/4 with 10.5s is it possible that 720 had better time one or two rides before? Maybe it would be a good idea to always show the best time for each car? Regardless of which ride it was? 😎
It's 750 marketing, and it was supposed to win, although the 720was literally faster.
That's why they can't show the fastest times also for both cars.
I’ve been saying this, why don’t they take the best times possible?
Because they race in a runway not a drag strip. I’ve seen a 720s run 9.7-9.8 on perfect weather with Toyo 888r in a fully prep surface. On the same track, perfect weather and same tires, the 765 LT could run 9.3-9.4. The point here is they raced the cars side by side… the day might not been perfect (The runway is definitely not perfect but it’s the same for everyone). So the times are what they are.
would be nice when you do 3 or more drag races, that youd just take the best time from each vehicle and use those stats instead of the last most recent race. just a tip! always great vids!
5 years 13k miles ‘I use it ALL the time’
…lol
Yep. That's quite the overstatement.
you could try the 750s against the 765LT
Would not be fair to the 750S since thr 765LT peaks 885PS.
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@hurmaanoos9555 in that case this video also isn't fair, it's a comparison no need for it to be fair 😂
@@hurmaanoos9555it is illegal?😂
@@hurmaanoos9555The 765LT has 885hp instead of 765? 🤔🙀
I really like that Matt is going at the almost full armdrop now, rather than when the arms are just beginning to drop. A much fairer, and better race. Good One Matt :) Love your videos.
Now, with that in mind, may the next tests/drag races, may the cars be using the same tires please
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
Wow you’ve changed the cameras the quality speaks for itself
2:28 starts the video
TODAY I FELL IN LOVE WITH MCLAREN and was watching some mclaren drag race videos until this dropped! carwow doesnt fail on surprising me
welcome to the mclaren gang
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Never thought tyres can make that much difference, I considerd pirelli as great tyres but those cup 2's are at whole another level no wonder why michelin is no. 1
I dont think its the tyres mate.
We can clearly see the 720s has less power off the line but reels in the 750 at higher speeds.
The answer is GEARING. Shorter ratios on the 750 give more oooomph at low speeds and the longer ratios on the 720 give it more top speed.
Tyres always make a difference when it comes to performance cars. Owners will nearly always swap out pirellis. They've been proven time and time again to be much slower than others
All this vid shows is that the two cars are equal, great vid and not what I expected.
These are the kind of drag races that got me hooked on Car WOW ❤️ bring back more practical drag races🎉
Longer gearing helps the 720S at higher speeds. Not sure why this was surprising to Mat? He literally mentioned the longer gearing...
I like the placement of the rear badge better on the 720s. That space is taken up by the exhaust in the 750s unfortunately.
Finally a video i can watch without people giving hints who won
This race was sick Matt🔥🔥🔥
Still like the styling of the 720 and 765 better than the more tame 750, but interesting to see the improvements off the line. Both cars could and should run about 0.5 faster in quarter under optimum conditions but this is equal footing to show the gap. Thanks CarWow! Love me some McLaren content!
Over 2mth now and not one review of a normal every day car. Come on Matt we’re not all millionaires
I've given up on this channel. Used to be great, then they started focusing on Tesla garbage. Almost have to wonder if Tesla was their main investor in that carwow financial opportunity.
mat tried his best to make the drag look competitive lmao
Intro - “what will win in a drag race between bla bla bla bla”…..I’m just spit balling here, but my monies on Mat given 95% of the time he’s in the fastest car with plenty of excuses if he looses 😂😂
Wow Mclaren weren’t kidding when they said they improved the car by a lot. Although small changes but they made big differences after seeing the races.
720s is faster than 750S 765 or McLaren P1 just need a good driver
Watch 720s AutoTopNL Autobahn run
720s already proved to be faster than 765 or P1 on normal asphalt
720s is quicker and has highest top speed of McLarens
@@Smzxetop speed doesnt mean quicker, the 765 and p1 are much quicker than a 720s
@@irtiza4262 first watch 720s Autobahn run it's Acceleration and top speed is both faster than P1 or 765LT I have compared 720s vs 765 watch the video I uploaded
720s on Autobahn did 1 mile in 24.7 seconds @206 mph
765LT 1 mile 24.9 sec @195 mph
P1 25.48 sec @204 mph
720s on Autobahn 1/4 mile 9.8 seconds @146 mph
1/2 mile 15.3 seconds @175 mph
765LT on Autobahn
1/4 mile 9.8 sec @148 mph
1/2 mile 15.3 sec @174 mph
Similar times but after 200 km/h 720s is faster than 765LT
720s 0-300 km/h 18.1 seconds
765LT 0-300 km/h 18.9 seconds almost 19 seconds
McLaren P1 0-300 km/h 20.1 seconds Vbox
But that's without launch control on McLaren P1
P1 0-300 kph is also between 18-19 seconds
So 720s is faster 218 mph 352 km/h top speed verified by GPS
On Jhonny bohmer proving grounds
P1 did 214 mph on GPS
765LT maxed out at 201 mph on Autobahn only 321 km/h on GPS on Autobahn
Pass that joint...765lt murder 720s by 5 or more cars..its the fastest McLaren @@Smzxe
@@irtiza4262no they arent learn what you are talking about.
Great video, but the 750s in that video is a Spider, not a Coupe so its probably a bit heavier and the coupe should be even quicker
Yeah it's really poor from them not to point that out they didn't in another video as well
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
the 750s probably has the OPF filter, so no wonder it got slower at the top end, all cars that got OPF became slower than their non-opf variants, for example OPF M5/M8 became a lot slower at the top end, the older models are gapping them in a roll race.
Would’ve loved to see the 765lt also! Great vid nonetheless
This time Matt you got yourself a good driver like you perfect launcher😂😂😂😂
SF90 vs 918 AWD hybrid drag race.
SF90 win by huge margin
@@Smzxe and how did you come to that conclusion
@@jaysosaaa7975 SF90 is much faster than 918 Spyder 765LT can beat 918 720s is faster than 918 in rolling race
SF90 1/4 mile 9.5 9.6 seconds @149 mph
918 Spyder 9.9 @142 mph or 10.1 seconds quarter mile
SF90 60-130 mph 4.8 seconds
918 Spyder 60-130 mph 5.4 seconds
720s 60-130 mph 5.1 seconds
765LT 60-130 mph 4.9-5.0 seconds
@@jaysosaaa7975 because it's the truth, in Dragtimes channel they raced 720S vs 918 Spyder 5 times and they were superclose (both around 9,90s/10,00s in the 1/4 mile). Meanwhile, SF90 is way faster, it always runs the 1/4 mile around 9,40s/9,50s. It will destroy both of them, it's even faster than 765LT.
@@jaysosaaa7975cause it’s common car knowledge, 9.7 sec quarter against 9.9 sec
So I believe that the shorter final drive in the 750S is beneficial from a standstill, however it's forced to shift way sooner thus making it easier to fall out of the best part of the power band.
750S with short gearbox can accelerate as fast as Delta S4.
That you got that many races out of two McLarens without a breakdown is amazing.
Just goes to prove once again that McLaren sandbagged the 720S. Way more power than 720 PS.
Dyno
690 WHP 780 PS
750s has around 740 WHP 830-840 HP
765LT 769 WHP 880 HP
But the gearing is much better on 720s it is faster
@@Smzxe
While it is true that McLaren underrates their cars, your numbers are too high.
That 769 W_hp number was not done by the SAE standard, it was STD and it was not even done at a load based dyno. So you are looking at maybe 730 W_hp in the real world. Secondly the modern DCT transmission drive lines does not take 15%, more like 13%. So you are looking at about 830-840 C_hp not 880.
This math you can do with the other numbers as well.
Matts face 8:50 realising he's got slower car 😂
Thats absolutely bibilical.😂
And you Know, Matt always tries to pick the car he Thinks will give him the win..
I still find it unbelievable that the first question to an owner of a 200k “super car” is, has it broken down yet, and be surprised if not.
Well its very reliable surprisingly like TommyKaira R33.
Just because it's a supercar doesn't mean it's that reliable.
You must be new to the world of McLaren
McLaren are known to break down . That's what made porsche what it is today. Their ability to be so reliable even when being pushed relentlessly on a track. Where as mclarens literally always have issues.
@@G82Watts thats not true at all. Mclarens are known to be reliable. They are one of if not the most reliable supercar. Where did you get your info from? youtube? Every talk to real owners? Mechanics? Hundreds of owners in the forums? Maybe do your research before trying to spread a lie.
We should have a Dyno test
Agreed. I suspect the 720S actually has more power. There are already dyno test videos on youtube showing the 720S has close to 790hp. They're easy to find. The 750S might actually make close to its actual rated power. Many Mclarens made signicantly more than claimed, but the 600LT actually made 600hp. The Senna made about 840hp, not the 789bhp they stated.
Add a advanced car diagnostic tool and I think we will see that the slip rate between front and rear axle is different between the cars, due too tyre difference. Would be interesting...
10:48 the 750s has push/pull paddle shifters, does 720s have as well?
765lt has them as well!
I’m no engineer, but how can essentially the same car but with a bit less weight, a bit more power and shorter gearing be slower?
Less traction will hurt you off the line, and shorter gearing will improve your mid range acceleration but hurt the top end. I don't know a huge amount about the 750 tbh, but if they've worked in a bit more downforce that'll also hurt at higher speeds
We know from multiple dyno tests the 720S actually has around 790hp at the crank/flywheel. Maybe the 750S actually has closer to its advertised figure. That's my takeaway. The 720S was always faster than the Ferrari Pista because the while both had the same claimed power, the Pista actually made 710bhp. The final drive is the only shorter ratio, same as the 765LT.
Different tyres; one car properly run in; different drivers; vagaries of the track surface.
Shorter gearing creates a final drive ratio that isn’t optimized for top speed, more so for acceleration. Longer gears let the engine crank out through the powerband more, giving you more top end shove. At least that’s how I believe it works. Something also tells me something may have been awry with the 750S. I’ve seen other videos with it and it’s been quicker. Not a crazy difference because they’ve both got hypercar-like power delivery but it’s definitely noticeable
Traction. It's why a rwd will smoke the same awd car on a prepped surface. Take the 992 for example. 4S vs S on a prepped surface and the rwd S runs away with it. But put them on regular street asphalt and the 4S takes it.
You compared 720s coupe with 750s spider, so no surprise coupe performed better
750s spider is still like 40kg lighter though.
A 720s coupe is 1419kg kerb weight and a 750s spider is 1438kg kerb weight. Power difference plus tyre difference = similar results, get a 750s coupe v 720s coupe on same tyres and the race will be more realistic.
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I think you can hear it through the screen. The 720s driver is purposely shifting a bit lower in the rpm to stay in the ideal power band longer
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the 750S retains an open-diff that uses the brakes to limit unwanted wheel-spin.
You’re right, only the Artura got a mechanical LSD, but the 750S still uses just torque vectoring.
RECOMMENDATION: Could you do 720s vs 750s vs 765lt and you could add another mclaren if u want
Andy is great I would love to see him drive another runs with you. He really can drive so wer can use him as a driver for another cars!!
Thanks. 😊
Matt before the final drag:- Make sure you react after me, cz i want to win 😂
its like when the model 3 LR beat the model 3 Perf. wild times on carwow! still waiting for that LR with acc. boost vs Perf
They should have also added up the 765 Lt to match up completely!
Wow, so much heat soak. Fun fact most of the mechanical issues all McLarens suffer from is the fact that the intercoolers are piped into the radiator and the turbos use the engine oil. It really shows here in this video
So it's clear that McLaren no longer makes an important upgrade to their cars today. All are the same. The 720s rides like the 750s... actually faster! The P1 with 1000hp rides the same as the 765LT (see the vs on DragTimes) The Senna rides the same as the others.. in short, no difference in performance, it doesn't matter if it has 1000hp vs 750hp, much the same. what a shame for the McLaren brand! Unfortunately, the facts speak for themselves.
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whenever Mat says this is the decider, the other driver forgets to launch, automatically helping Mat win
Really shows how lazy Mclaren was with this iteration. Virtually no difference between these machines. Add 30 hp, tweak the gearing, body paint the front end instead of 2 tone. Change the exhaust. Update infotainment. Thats it.
I’ve heard from McLaren mechanics that if you just weekend drive them they break on you since the engine components aren’t warmed up
But when you daily drive them and keep everything warm they are a lot more Reliable
Them launching at the same time makes me so happy
the extra hp doesnt overcome the extra down force in a straight line apparently, not that 4% extra hp is a huge change
I bet if you put cup 2s on the 750s it would’ve been the kicker, but I’m not sure if that’s an option on the 750s
I think the 720 had more power then advertised and all they did was put a different exhaust on it for the 750.
Not far off. What's funny is that people are already dynoing them, and some have found them to be a bit down from the 720S, But the 720S was massively underrated.
Stock 720s have about 800hp
@@jozefjozefczyk3936
More like 780. That test Brooks from Dragtjmes did, needs to be taken with a grain of salt. These transmissions have a loss closer to 13% not 15%.
Also, they used an STD correction not SAE. So doing the numbers based off of a inertia style Dynojet using STD, you can deduct about 10% to get it to the equivalent of a load based SAE number. So 780-785 is probably correct.