A Pagan Jesus? Examining Jesus and Pagan Heroes
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2023
- Have you ever heard someone say that the stories in the Bible are just a rip-off of older pagan documents? On this week’s Authentic episode, host Shawn Boonstra explores some of those claims comparing the Jesus we find in the Bible to the heroes and gods of the pagans.
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I am SO GLAD to see new videos coming...I was concerned, thank you, Jesus...
Thanks for watching! We're back from our summer break and have an exciting new season of Authentic lined up!
@@VoiceOfProphecyI love your show, thanks for your hard work
It's that we didn't know you were taking a summer break, having a video one week and nothing for about 4 months that concerned us. If you disappear without notice, it gets us concerned - and in prayer for your health and safety. And, please, remove the secular ads! Blessings.@@VoiceOfProphecy
The secular ads are put there by RUclips not Voice of Prophecy.@@christiedecker2724
Who's got the 1844 Jesus.. not that Jesus of Hebrews 7!
❤ happy Sabbath, prayers for health and finances please. Thank you father lord and savior Jesus Christ 🙏
I think honest Christians at this point that have done the research on Christmas and have truly read the Bible to learn know that Christmas is not something we should celebrate, it’s a worldly tradition. I’ve given it up 4 years ago.
The Arabs people doesn't believe that Jesus born in Christmas that's why they don't celebrate Christmas.
Happy Sabbath! I really look forward to Authentic every week. God bless
Welcome back Shawn!!! We missed you!!! Now Friday evening is complete again!!! God bless and protect you and your family AND The VOP family!!!
Shabbat shalom Elder Shawn ~ each of your Authentic presentations are great for sharing and I do so on 'FB', yet this episode is even 'Greater'! 😃
Am glad to see this program, I grew up listening every Sunday night on thr radio. GOD BLESS YOU ALL ❤❤❤
So glad you're a part of our community! 👏💯
Happy Sabbath. Sadly I'll miss the premier of the video, but I'll be able to watch it later this evening.
So glad to see you back on RUclips. Been four months missing
Happy Sabbath. Intriguing series🙏
I was into New Age, and there are so many lies about JESUS CHRIST because they had not read the Holy Bible.
Thankyou GOD I'm a Christian now.😊
Praise God! Thanks for your comment. 🙌
Love truth. His word is truth. Please look at these scriptures with a Love for truth. Matt.5:17-19/Isa.8:20/Matt.4:4. John 17:17/ps.119:89,142. 2nd tim.3:14-17/prov.6:23. 2nd pet.3:15-18.
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Yes, I know my Holy Bible well now. Haven't stopped reading it. I read it every day without fail. ✝️🥰
OK what these scriptures means and many more. The Holy scriptures teaches Torah and Prophets nothing else nothing new it does not teach Christianity. Please reply.
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The Torah is first, and thats the Old Testament, but there is more of GODS GLORY written down. Then the son of GOD came down and the leaders rejected him. No one has EVER done the miracles like JESUS CHRIST except YAHWEH SABAOTH GOD OF HOST himself through prophets. JESUS is the son of YAHWEH. The Israelites kept worshipping Idols of pagans until YAHWEH steps in with closing heaven or pestilences. And it took years for the prophet Jeremiah to warn the Israelites, did they listen NO! Mate GOD IS GOD. The Holy Bible is more of GODS GLORY!
Thanks be to GOD AMEN AMEN AMEN.
So thankful to see you and have VOP back putting out new content.Been praying for you and your family Pastor Shawn.
Greetings from New Zealand. Happy to see you are back. Kindly let us know why Authentic disappeared from the network without any reason given. Blessings to all the viewers as well.
We're glad to be back with a new season of Authentic, after a yearly (northern hemisphere 😀) summer break! Thanks for watching!
@@VoiceOfProphecy Thanks for the reply. We really enjoy your programmes.
Thankyou for sharing.
Such an amazing and relevant program and topic! Thanks for sharing!!
Pastor Shawn, so lovely to see you on RUclips. May God bless you and your family.
Same to you! 😀
What an EXCELLENT presentation.
So thankful to have you back.. been waiting..
Can you tackle about Deism next?
What is deism?♡
Really enjoy your videos ❤
I grew up in Anglican church and then got involved with groups that taught Jesus is pagan because of Christmas idolatry and easter of the Church and that we had the new found gospel of Yeshua and not the idol Jesus. After years of being on that path, I removed myself from all religion. I am trying to recover my faith and gift for the bible and would appreciate your ministries help
Very good, my friend. Well said.
Shaun, l have listened to you over the years and how l pray that you can be SAVED by the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ
.You have 3 angels deceiving you, sir
A big amen ❤️ enjoy this very much 😀 . I have read lots of your books ❤️. People today needs to hear this video. Thank you again brother . Listing from Florida USA. 😎
Good study Shawn, if one isn’t open minded on Eschatology then sad for them. I’d like to hear your interpretation of
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8
God bless y’all’s ministry Amen
☑ God bless this ministry and message and All who hear and receive cross ✝️ 🙏
Thank you brother Boonstra! I am so happy to see you back doing what you do best!! And I was wondering...are those images AI or are they real paintings? If they are paintings...they are amazing! Who did those??
JESUS✝️REIGNS FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! CELEBRATE, PRAISE, WORSHIP, GLORIFY, AND MAGNIFY JESUS✝️EVERY DAY AND FOREVER MORE, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! AMEN.
REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
Lord Jesus✝️have mercy on you🙏
Happy sabbath watching from hurricane wv
You always hit it on the head Shawn. Yes, if only Christians lived up to their name. Soooo good to have you back!!
Love the ministry of Ps Shawn B
And for Bill Maher, he must be reading a lots of fantasy/myths story from Roman or Greek without knowing Jesus n His words - ""THE TRUTH" of the Bible!
The online bible study are awesome.
Wow!!
Rome still has pagan idols. With the body of a Leopard which cant change it's Spots.
The God of the Bible that I got to know is the MOST loving Being I 've known. And if I'm going to be punished,let it be Jesus because He's merciful and just. No words can describe God. I simply suggest to anyone: get to know Him for yourself. He died the cruelest death known to the world long before I was born! And He's coming back again soon.
The fact that He is derided so much, just makes me believe in Him all the more. Because let's face it: no one ever rocked this world like Jesus Christ. 🔊🔊🔊❤️
So you ignore the plagues, the floods, the orders to kill men, women and children? Not very loving behaviour.
This is the same God who hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would refuse the request to release the Isrealites... and then committed mass murder in retaliation for a refusal, that he himself had caused.
"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died." (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
The same God who killed on of his faithful who steadied the ark, lest it fall to the ground...
"The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God." (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
The same god who said he *hated* people and would cause many of them to become sterile, drying up their wombs, and those who did bear children he promised to slaughter their beloved children.
"The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
You seem to have only read or heard the bits that make you feel good, and feel like a good person. And you ignore the cruel, hateful acts...
Amen
Jesus split history in two
I had to laugh when Shawn said, "If they took the trouble to make a documentary about it, then there must be SOME truth to it."
I can tell you from personal experience that documentary producers and directors care little about truth. They care only about the financial success and awards they can gain. In other words, the more drama they can achieve in the telling, the happier the campers are. You see, for over 20 years, I have been a world-renowned Titanic historian. My colleagues and I have been asked by numerous "educational channels" such as National Geographic, A&E, History Channel, et al, to appear in their documentaries and discuss the history of the Titanic. They also interviewed many of the surviving Survivors. The final product is a twisted version of the truth. Audio manipulation was used to make it appear that something was said that actually had not been said, and was completely untrue. In fact, National Geographic used my image without my knowledge or consent, and I had no idea I was in the documentary until I saw it on television!
If the ancient stories are true how can the bible not be? It was normal to pass down myths and stories from the past adding new characters around the inherent truth of the text so I would say the exclusivity of it isn't true, but the stories are as true as the ones they are taken from .
Two recent points resonate with me. "Not enough time to read"? Hmm. I wonder if we have an internal cpu clock like PCs? I look for proof of immortality on the outside of me, not the inside. Reincarnational synchronicities and the realm of non-locality that Cliff talked about. Action at a distance
Prince Rupert, BC? And I thought that northern Idaho was desolate?
So how do you explain Christians who celebrate Christmas and Easter.
For me it is the Added rituals added to the Christmas Dec date. The one for me is the Tree...and reading in Jeremiah 10: 1-5 . I agree that following Scriptures Today being able to listen to all the voices from this way and that can deceive and with today's added so called easy information from any part of the world at our finger tips one needs to be in Prayer at all times, which is the best idea to be in at all times. Peace be with you.
....would appreciate it if someone explain the origin of Baptism, was it practice by others also or was restricted Israelite only
When Jesus was writting on the ground with His finger, He was reminding the Pharisees the Law of Moses Exodus 20:13 and 14. Actually Do not commit adultery and do not murder.
Question, why do Christians feel its ok to break the 13 COMMANDs?
What?????? Do you mean the ten commandments? If that is what you meant then that is a good question. But that is because they don't know nor understand what the bible teaches and they don't know Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Most of them have been deceived into believing the lies of Old Satan by the sun day preachers. Sun day preachers are a bunch of Hippocrates. They say that the ten commandments were done away with at the cross but what they are really saying is they don't want to keep the fourth commandment which is the seventh day sabbath the only commandment that God said to remember, but they do believe in keeping the other nine commandments, if you don't believe that then ask them is it ok to kill and steal and committee adulatory or use the Lord's name in vain and they will tell you of course it is not OK, Hippocrates.
No sound 😊
Also, Satan was present when GOD revealed the plan of Salvation to Adam and Eve. So he had the blue print that the great counterfeiter could copy and incorporate in the pagan religions throughtout the world.
Are commercials really necessary they really mess up the flow of the sermon
Switch browsers to the browser Brave. , it blocks out all of the commercials, advertising.
Yule is close enough too their Christmas
Jesus was/is wise
Indeed! 💯
Hi Shawn! Is there earth flat? I say it's flat, like the Bible says. I live in Ks. and it's pretty flat out here.
The Bible says the Earth is flat because it was written by Iron-Age goat herders. Please don't be as ignorant as them.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isaiah 40:22
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, And hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:7 KJV
The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psalm 19:1
hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:2
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Hebrews 11:3
While its not as far as i can tell a salvation issue, As someone who owns a personal telescope and in regard to the above verses. I find it very hard to justify belief in a flat earth when that's now what I see of the other planets, nor when the belt of Venus effect from the earths shadow is considered.
Where does the bible say the earth is flat?
Some Native Americans believe the flat earth is carried around on the back of a turtle.....
Do you believe this too?
Christopher Columbus' crew believed they were going to sail off the ends of the earth. Of course this did not happen.
Even seen a LUNAR eclipse? Round huh? Even been to the beach? Is the horizon a completely straight horizontal line?
Ever see satellite pictures of the earth? Where are the other nations on the other side?
Yeah I think the aliens are living on the bottom side.. I think I have a cousin that fell off the edge one time... we haven't been able to find him...
He was hurting for soldiers that bad they lied about the river 😂 great way too make a order out of a band of wild dogs
Where are you going when you die? Hebrews 9:27
The bible plainly tells us that we will go down to the grave where we will remain until Jesus comes the second time to take His children, the righteous, home but the wicked will not be resurrected until after the 1000 years reign with Jesus in heaven, then Jesus will come down from heaven with all of the righteous and the New Jerusalem and Resurrect the sinners and cast the wicked into the Lake of Fire where they will be completely destroyed both body and soul. Mal 4:3-And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of host.
And they shall never be again thus eradicating the whole universe of sin. But the Lake of Fire is not a place called hell where God will torment the sinners thru all of eternity, because the fire will go out when all of the wicked are completed consumed by the fire leaving then neither branch nor root, just like Sodom and Gomorrah which the fire is not still burning today, it went out when there was no more fuel to feed the flames.
Being a prophet of prophetic means being out of your mind on drugs
Lots of drugs.
And calling out when high is voice from God. Or God's.
Magus is a prophet.
I would like to add to this discussion. On the one side we have liberals who have beliefs that many of us find offensive. On the other side are conservatives that many of us grew up with and feel like family. But now a huge chunk of this family have adopted horrible ideas and a terrible ungodly hero. (Yes, I live in the US and I am talking about Donald Trump.) We human beings like to take sides and, when we are left without any group to belong to, it can be very frustrating, especially when it seems like your leaders (I’m not particularly talking about you) are just whistling old songs while your country is being torn apart. Here is how it ties into what you are saying.
To me, this identification of Trumpism and Christianity makes Christianity seem unpalatable and makes many of us wish our leaders acknowledge that we are in the midst of a crisis .
The story about the woman caught in adultery did not appear in the Bible until the 4th century. I wonder what other things you don't know about your Holy Book.
I know enough to save me
And do you know that the Bible perfectly foretells events in minute detail, thousands of years before they occur? I wonder how many things you don't know? 😉 May God bless you and lead you to the Truth.
Prove that. I am sure that is a lie that some sun day preacher told, that is what they are good at telling lies because they sure don't know what the bible actually teaches.
SDA don't use the Bible.. they use Ellen White! They use bible verses, to destroy Bible!
When people say that Jesus is pagan they arnt wrong, in the eyes of the God of the Bible who says he's not a man. Believing a man is the divine son or incarnation of God is idolatry. Hence why jews believe Christians will be beheaded when there is a new sanhedrin.
Also as you also agree, many pagan ideas were adopted including the cross wich wasn't added until around 430 ad and was originally used by various pagan cultures.
It is pagan to entice gentiles, that is the whole purpose of Christianity.
Paul literally calls him the stumbling block of the pagan world.
For a messiah(teacher) to bring the god of israel to the nations(gentiles) and to have every nation bow and profess he is the one true God.
He was meant to break the yoke of the nations and rule over them with his rod, shattering the nations like pottery.
You either do that by force or by using their symbolism and subverting it.
Both were done to spread Christianity.
"Europe was mostly Christian" that's why they built churches on pagan sites, burned sacred trees in attempts to defile their gods and went to war with our own people over a foreign God. apologists make it sound like we just accepted this new belief when it was largely forced and pagan practices or heretical ideas were punished for centuries.
Again it's pagan because it was a sect of judaism meant to gain favor among pagan cultures thus it has to appeal to pagans.
Saying jesus was a viking is no less a cope than saying he was anything but jewish, it also shows that people are extremely naive to messianic concepts or how prevalent they are in abrahamic theology.
Before you can understand anything that a gospel written 55-100 plus years after crucifixion says, you have to first understand where they got knowledge from.
If you don't know what mishradic or pesher interpretation is you cannot understand how paul and the writers who came after, came to their conclusions.
For those unfamiliar with those terms, in short, it means mysticism.
As in they saw him in visions and in scripture via mystical interpretation.
THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT GOD IS A SPIRIT. John 4:24 He came down from Heaven in the body of a earthly man to die on an old rugged cross so that me and you could spend eternity with Him in a paradise that He will create for us where there will be no more sorrow nor pain.
@@ebbygshreve9577 tbf an unknown author said that, not even the same John that supposedly knew Jesus. God also says he is not nor ever will be a man way before that so it contradicts what is written later.
Everything from Paul and after is hearsay or based on older scripture. They pieced together various prophesies to create the celestial Jesus figure that would replace Yom Kippurs rituals after the second temple fell.
They didn't just reject this idea because they hated God, it was because they either knew that would entice gentiles to adopt it or they didn't believe the Jesus story because it contradicts the foundation of the Torah aka God
Even in the old testament God only appears as a vision.
It is through mystical interpretation or midrash that these ideas were found, and later grew I to movements we know today like the holy roman church, the zohar, the kabbalah, zionism, freemasonry ect
even demonology came way after in the 1600s
@@aeAble The only scriptures that anyone in that day had to go on was the Old Testament
@ebbygshreve9577 I agree with that, Paul and the other gospel authors used misrash to see Jesus in old testament scriptures. That's why you can find almost identical prophetic scriptures in the NT. They either outright borrowed them or altered the verse to fit the Jesus narrative
@ebbygshreve9577 there is no actual documenting done during the time of Jesus. Even the account of the Roman trial is flawed and inaccurate, not by my view but biblical scholars and independent peer reviews. Paul made him up, there was likely no real Jesus figure. There at best may have been a rabbi he was based on, as messiah was commonly known to be a teacher not a divine savior. But even that is a 1 in 12,000 chance. So yes only the Old testament existed, until 55 ad when Paul had his revelation and began writing his letters. There has always been offchutes that veer away from traditional interpretation. Many came before Jesus, but none of them stuck, and arguably if Constantine hadn't adopted Christianity officially it too would have faded into obscurity.
People haven't always had the freedom to think or have as much access to information as we do today.
That is another reason it lasted.
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