Adam and Eve: Divine Setup or Failed Experiment?
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2023
- Why was a tree that led to DEATH placed in paradise in the first place? Was God setting up Adam and Eve for temptation and failure? In part 6 of his "Answers for a Skeptic" series, Shawn Boonstra explores God's choices, our choices, and the troubling mystery of sin. Don't miss this fascinating discussion that sheds light on an age-old dilemma.
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Excellent answer to why God allowed Adam & Eve to sin. I love this program. Pastor Shawn often shoots strait from the hip and doesn't beat around the bush, while choosing his words wisely as to not offend. Thank you Pastor Boonstra for being that vessel for God.
God's message through you is so easy to understand. Thank you for sharing with us.
I appreciated your tone in this series, Pastor Shawn. You were respectful but clear. You brought in so much solid truth and showed how it answers the hard questions in the world today. Thank you.
I hope that the person who asked these questions will see these videos.
Pastor Boonstra, the Lord invested so much in you and in return, you are working hard and diligently, and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you humbly and effectively communicate to us God's beautiful character filled with love and compassion for each one of us and to our world. Praise be to God! ❤
If u want the truth n understanding, this is what u watch 👍😁
This is a great offering of Bible Truth
Shawn, you are the voice of reason; truly authentic! Thank you for this show.
Good topic. Allows people to see God for who He really is.
Praise the Lord
Even the question is so outrages , to ask ! God is so Great full of Love and Truth . This statement makes No sanse ! Only Evil would ask it . Happy sabbath to all who follow Jesus .
thank you Pastor. Authentic is such a blessing to me.
Wonderful message! Thank you Pastor Shawn , love listening to all your messages 🌹❤️
Amazing message. Happy Sabbath ❤️🙏🏽
👍Excellent❣️Wow 🤩 That is a wonderful lesson❣️ Glory to Jesus Christ our Saviour❣️
I find your program so practical and understandable. Thank you for the blessing of your explanations.
Thank you for this wonderful message. God bless you! Happy Sabbath.
I pray the woman who asked those questions is watching and that her questions weren't merely rhetorical.
Happy Sabbath
Great Watch!🙏🏻
❤ God loved us so much that He gave us the choice to choose. Pray without ceasing and let Christ lead the way. 😊
But, according to the bible,most people who are not christians end up in the second death- that sounds like a really kind and 'loving' god.
Theoretically, everyone could be 'saved' if your god wished it.
'Free will' is a convenient excuse for all the misery and suffering in the world.
@@mike666nzThe reason people end up 8n the second death is because they didn't let Christ live in them and that includes evil-doers or "Christians" with just the label. After knowing His character, they turned their back on Him because they did not want it in their lives.
@@ashamer7776 I understand the doctrine but just don't know about the excuses/reasons given- though Shawn tries to get through to the sceptic.
I do quite like the show, even though I am not a christian by choice.😁
@@mike666nz Books helped me tremendously to understand things. When I dont understand something I just let it "sink into me". God will show me the meaning later...
Thank you, pastor, for keeping it simple
blessings to all
Great information. Really like listening To Shawn. Have learned alot from scripture from listening
I really love the programs that you show
Good job. Blessings!
Pastor, I am so thankful that I discovered your program. You have taught me to dig deep into the word. I Iook forward to each new lesson and am always amazed by the amount of research you do to bring a message to us. All your work is much appreciated by so many.
I enjoyed this one Shawn! Thx!
Sharing!
I love your videos so much, God bless you in what you do. You capture and present biblical truth in a very beautiful way. Happy Sabbath! 🙏😊
Thank you!
A great message Paster! Thank you once again!!
Very beautifully put!
An excellent video as always.
Thank you very much for the message
Amazing answer. Thank you pastor Shawn. Glory be to God😊
One of the best sermons I've ever heard about this very important topic, thank you very much!
Definitely recommend this wonderful video.👍👍👍
God bless you Pr. Shawn🙏
Look, this was well done, I really appreciated what was presented! Praise the Lord for His guidance to us and teaching us how to teach!
This is the best I have ever heard! Thank you very much.
Thanks for confirming the Bibles truth
Love the ministry and have been following Shawn for years. Thank you for your faithfulness!
Thank you Pastor Shawn
James 4:7 comes to mind: "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
Awesome
Nope-Jesus had proved that even in a weaker humanity He could be conformed to the Father's will. There was no manufacturer's defect on the part of God.
WOW!! Sometimes with everything
that is going on in this world. Beware
of everything you,put your eyes on.
test,,test ,,test.the spirit.
That makes so much sense and so well explained!
Excellent, excellent, and True!!!
blessings
Appreciate you direct message
I really appreciate the work you put into these videos. I do put questions in the comments. Maybe because of all work that this is you won't really have to answer the questions. That is very understandable. Thanks.
Thank you.
Great work
Great stuff
Love it
Humans take risks. God does not He knows the beginning to the end the outcome of His actions. This is a greater example of His love!
Like,comment and subscribe..thank you for this small understanding.
Can you answer this question 🙋🏻♀️ please?
Q. Since God is not the author of confusion. why would Jesus ask His disciples for a fish to eat instead of fruit, vegetable, grain or nuts, when presenting Himself to them after His resurrection?
Scripture references:
“And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
And he took it, and did eat before them.” Luke 24:41-43
Edited: *I’m asking for a friend 🤭*
Good
Just an idea. I am open to comments. Evil/sin originated as the result of a moral being's choice. As you explained, God needed us to freely choose to demonstrate our perfect liberty designed by Him. It was a calculated risk. The risk had been preemptively mitigated through Jesus' sacrifice. Did God set us up for failure? No, failure is simply set before us. The choice is ours. God's love for us overcomes our failings, but we need to accept that love. By choice.
Greetings from hurricane wv
KISS ... sin, faith, and eternal life? All logically related and what else is needed in that 850K word book?
If I was aware of every molecule in the universe all the time (omniscient), I would live forever? Yeah, possibly so. Maybe that is what our Savior meant. Modern physicists: time flow is proportional to our inattention?
Brother, I have a question - what's the difference between setting up and pre-destination?
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Sin = immorality? Genetic defects? Or just ignorance? It seems that the issue is still up for debate.
cool
Amen 🙏❤️‼️‼️‼️
Hey why does having free will have to do with a test about eating fruit from a knowledge tree? Could we just have free will period. Where in the Bible does it say that God explicitly put this tree to prove our free will and that we chose him over a enticing, fruit ? Could we just have free will with many others choices? Such as what we do on a daily basis…etc? Does it say that God did this to see if we loved and chose him??
Our Savior wants to save our lives in the here and now? From the relentless flow of time?
You said a safety next just in case we made the wrong choice. If that is true it would mean that he didn't know the choice we would make before he created us. Is that correct?
Where is the chat?
I understand that God give us free will of choices but since God knew at the beginning that Satan was going to rebel, Adam and Eve would sin why God still created Lucifer, Adam and Eve which now this world is full of sin snd suffering!
*What The Father has spoken will never change, His promises are still good and our prayers are still answered! Hallelujah!!! But as impossible as this sounds, like so many of the true stories in scripture, our bibles have all been supernaturally changed by Satan in the last several years, right in our homes, in the fulfillment of prophecy. It's being done to prepare for the reign of the antichrist. All languages and all translations have been changed along with concordances, encyclopedias, dictionaries, history books, the original Hebrew, Greek, Latin and Aramaic manuscripts. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls have been changed!*
*I'm 70, was saved when I was 10, and have read only the exact same copy of the King James bible my church gave me in 1961. (This does not mean I was a King James onlyist but now I'm glad I never read other ones or I might not have noticed the changes as soon.) I had memorized many scriptures from it through the years. Then in 2014 I started seeing changes in it that I couldn't explain. I had never owned a computer or heard of the Mandela Effect back then. But after being given my first computer in 2016 I finally found out why I had been noticing all of the oddities that I couldn't explain. I then started diligently studying what should actually be called the "Daniel 7:25 effect". That's where God said He would give the antichrist the power to do this. (Change times and laws, history and scripture) We're seeing many end times prophecies being fulfilled SUPERNATURALLY! This is some of the "lying signs and wonders" God told us He would give the AC power to perform which would even deceive His very elect, if it were possible in 2nd Thessalonians chapter two!*
*God said in the end of days, (NOW!) that He would send us a famine for hearing His words in Amos **8:11** and that He would give the antichrist the ability to do this in Daniel 7:25. In Daniel 12:4 & 12:9 He told him to seal his book until the end days. He told John **_not_** to seal his book because the end time is at hand in Revelation 22:10. One of the Greek definitions of seal in Strongs concordance is “to protect from Satan”. He also told us to “write His words in our hearts”, which meant memorize, if not word for word at least the essence of what was written, because He knew this was going to happen.*
*God commanded us to "prove all things", and people **_better_** obey Him, especially on this subject. I urge you to research this. There are many brothers and sisters making videos about the changes with more proof of what was originally written and I have lots more about this in my playlist 👉 which can be found by typing in (proof of bible change residue junkie)* 👈
*I've continued stay in God's word by reading what has been documented to be what used to be written and what Satan has been changing. Soon Amos **8:12** will be fulfilled too and we won't be able to find God's word anymore, and the only way it can happen is by not being able to see these videos that document what used to be written in our bibles.*
*_May God bless all who read this with eyes to see this incredible faith strengthener, and how close we are to our Saviour's return!!!!_*
*P.S. Everyone is going to learn about this one way or the other. I'm just trying to save people from hearing Jesus explain it to them at the Gate. If you ask for them at the address on my about page I will send you links for 15 films that absolutely prove the snake bite is the mark. And yt hates me and won't post my replies so write me at my private address for lots more info yt would never allow you to see.* ❤✝️💪
Would God have had a tree of knowledge of good and evil if there was no serpent (Satan)? If there was no sin does that mean there would be no choice?
Was there a tree in heaven for Lucifer? no, but he still had free will
Over-population? "In my father's house there are many mansions." Jesus knew about manifold space, that has great scientific credence these days.
Well if God is a omni god(all powerful, all knowing including the future) then yeah, God set Adam & Eve to fail.
This wasnt supposed to come on for another hour?!?
Daylight Savings Time has started from this week
Title? Ha. Famous French criminologist: "Society sets the stage for the crimes. The individual only carries them out."
To be fair-human government cannot employ righteousness by imposition of legal maneuvers; however the case, they are only able to restrain evil and as such create an atmosphere for equality and liberty.
It took 100 years but I knew that eventually Einstein might wreak world revolution. "Metanoia"?
Adam and Eve set themselves up for failure by:
1.) Separating from each other. Eve should not have been alone. She shouldn't have wandered from her husband. Im pretty sure God told Adam and Eve about satan's fall and warned them to be on the lookout for him. It wouldnt make sense if God or the holy angels kept this knowledge from them. Thats why satan disguised himself as a serpent when he spoke to Eve, instead of coming as his true form. Because Adam knew God for longer than Eve and had a closer connection to God, he would have been more likely to reject the serpent, which is why satan went for Eve instead.
2.) Being near the tree in the first place. God told them not to even go near the tree. Eve played with temptation by putting herself in close proximity to the tree. Satan wouldnt have been able to speak to her if she wasnt so close to the tree.
3.) Not being content with what they had. God gave them permission to eat from EVERY OTHER TREE. There was probably millions and billions of trees that bore perfectly ripe and delicious fruits (some of those fruits are probably beautiful fruits that we've never seen before), He only told them not to eat from ONE tree. But Eve wasnt content with what she had and wanted more. Which is the same problem with alot of people today.
Some people think that God set them up because He knew that Adam and Eve would sin and He allowed Satan to tempt them, but allowing them to be tempted and fall is the most loving thing God can do. Why? Because it shows that God honors freedom of choice, even to His own detriment. You cant have love without freedom of will; anything other than this is mere automation. God didnt create humans to be robots, He created us to be His children. And what makes children so precious? Their undying love for their parents. God wanted us give Him the undying love of a child, so He took a risk and gave us freewill. He did the same to Lucifer and all of the angels. Its not Gods fault that Lucifer became satan and its not His fault that humanity fell and continue to fall, its OUR fault for our fall. Because as much as people want to blame Adam and Eve, we all eat from the same forbidden tree when we sin. So if there is anyone to blame, its Satan and ourselves, not God.
No where in the Bible does it ever say God told Adam and Eve about Satan. Please don't make stuff up.
You do know that the Adam and Eve is just a fable right? You know fiction.
In Genesis I don't think it says that Eve wasn't with Adam when she partook of the fruit..he was there also standing beside her. She took the fruit and after she ate gave it to her husband.
All I'm saying is get it straight, theologians. "Sin" should only have one clear-cut definition. And I think it should be lack of knowledge. "The ignorance that leads one into error".
HuH⁉️🤔
"SiN is the Transgression of the Law" _Bible
@BreadLightPray_EWFMgtr Yes plenty of knowledge out there what sin is. And it is scripture
what about people commit evil acts willfully and knowingly? Are they not sinners? Sin is a violation of God's laws. Before they are taught a person can violate laws ignorantly or willfully.
feuer_zauber is dead? What is this? A childishly annoying clickbait way of changing your username? No - I think that he is really dead. Or at least the undead. Ever since I learned about Wheeler's Many Worlds theory. What else could that theory entail but invincible solipsism? A never-ending series of splitting nine lives?
No but you will leave your child at home with a fresh baked cake and warn them if they eat even one bite they will be cut off from others, their video games and outside activities until you decide when the punishment ends.
You as the parent did something good for your family. You baked a cake. You set that cake apart. Yes, you sanctified it. You, if you will, called it Holy. It wasn’t for common use. That cake was set apart, not to be used for the child’s desires but to be used for someone else.
It’s was to be used as a gift in celebration for Dad’s birthday. How angry would you be if the 13 year old child disobeyed?
God gave Adam and Eve all things in the Garden to enjoy. In His Goodness He held back nothing but He did set apart a wonderful tree. A tree that was meant to be a gift. Not for them to use but as a gift for His Son.
The book of Enoch describes the tree as beautiful to look at and it had a delightful smell. Just like the cake. But it wasn’t there cake. They had plenty to eat.
God Did NOT set up Adam and Eve! God does only good things. It’s the devil who accuses God of doing wrong. It’s the devil that accused God of hold back something from Adam and Eve. His lie tempted Adam and deceived Eve.
God gave us everything but the Ability to decide what’s right and wrong. He saved that gift for His Son. When we are walking in the Spirit of Christ, yes when we Love God, this Spirit of Love will lead us into obedience. And we will set apart that Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil for Christ alone because we Trust Him.
Personally, I think that "sin" originally only meant ignorance (stay away from that Tree of Knowledge), and it was later moralized by priests. Augustine agrees. Sin/evil was only a deficiency to him.
could you clarify? Was it sinful to remain ignorant or to gain knowledge?
When Satan rebelled agaist God in heaven he was cast down to this earth. Satan accused God of not being loving but controlling and not having the best interest for his Created beings. The test for Adam and Eve was to show to the world the true character of satan and sin And also to show to the whole universe how God would deal with sin and still let is creations have free will and show God is trully love and His ways are righteous.
I appreciate the message but Shawn you look like you just came out of the barn
Music is powerful. And powerful people who chose the wrong God are purposful in their indoctrination.
Btw... get that person blahing off the screen please...lol. Thats worse for me than the lips talking.... ah..... gone..... thank you. Breathing again.
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