This comparison almost made me tear up a little. The 911 has been my dream car since I was a little kid and this 2017 model is the most beautiful one Porsche has ever designed in my eyes. I hope to get my hands on one before I die :)
Thanks Nick. Your review helped me with a decision making process whether to buy a 2016 leftover on sale, or order a 2017. You also gave a helpful overview of the options. You are A+.
I just discovered Nick's videos! I really like his camera angles. He must be the only Porsche videos, that I have seen so far, that show more of the car than simply a video of the guy driving the car!
That skipping of the wheels at full lock is pretty common. I experienced it a lot when reversing in my yard in both in a Macan S and subsequently a Cayenne S Diesel. I have a base 991.2 on order... Thanks for the very informative videos. Keep up the good work!!
With the new rear vents and the cetre mounted exhausts i think the 991.2 looks a lot more retro, which i really love. Since Porsche cant follow a space age design like the R8's, then i say embrace the retro. Also, as much as i want RWD, dat rear flared wheel arches and that red line between the rear lights make the 4S so much better looking!
I couldn't care less about the cars featured here and yet I'm here watching it, nick knows how to make good content, hopefully more aircrafts in the future!
Great and detailed review, as always. Porsche should put you on their payroll, for always delivering essential information for prospective buyers who care for more than just the P badge.
Hi Nick! I'm a long time Boston terrier owner and big time Porsche lover. I watched your older videos when your car had a pool in it. Reminds me of my first car the BMW 2002. Even with the water and no heat or defrost it was so much fun to drive. Lets see little more of your dog if you can. Cheers!
Thank you as always nick! No one else out there does the in detail reviews that potential buyers like me need. So I'm grateful and also always enjoy your vids!
Nick, you didn't talk about the PDK lever's manumatic function! Porsche reversed the direction of the shifts, so it's pull back to upshift versus the 991.1's push. It feels so much more intuitive now.
Hey Nick thanks for pointing out that issue with the front wheels being misaligned when backing up full lock. As an owner of a 2016 Cayman 6-speed I can tell you that same condition applies to this model as well. I can rest easy now knowing its a natural occurrence. Looking forward to that moss green 991.2 your building.
That gentle turbo spool is amazing. I prefer this over 6 cyl...better torque too. Oh and the steering wheel is so sexy. Makes the older one look like a BR-Z. Great video Nick!
+Matthew Sharpe You always ask questions on my videos which I can not answer because you have reply disabled on your account. No the lane change assist is camera based.
Great job. A nice summary of the differences. I have a 2015 991.1 S Cab. I'm not going to get the 991.2, but this was good to know. Keep up the good work!
I agree with you completely Nick on the GT Sport Steering wheel with the multi function being too busy.I have the multi-function on my Macan S and it looks much better!
Great review! Thank you so much for videos... I find them very insightful and enjoyable. The comment that you made about the rear steering was incorrect however. Honda wasn't the first car company with the rear steering it was actually Porsche in the late 1970's. The Porsche 928 was the first car with this technology. It was called the Weissach Axle.
Hi Nick, thanks for this review on the 991.2. I really enjoy your insight in the Porsche models and your videos certainly influenced me when specifying my 991.1. I have had the chance to drive the 991.2 Targa S and thought it drove really well. Because I have recently bought my 991.1 / 4 GTS I didn't want to like it as much as I did, but the new turbo engine just makes the new gen 2 model so easy and responsive to drive. I just miss that engine noise though. I have registered my interest in the new 991.2 / 4 GTS with my local dealer when they get more details. Who knows I could be persuaded.. Keep up the good RUclips videos
Thanks Nick. As always a very well done job... At some point would be nice to see your thought for someone buying a new car. BMW,Porsche,Audi etc... Thanks Again
Nick, one comment regarding the sport steering wheel. I agree with you that it looks very busy, but those rivet nut things aren't the only difference, it is also a 20mm or so smaller in diameter as compared to the regular multi function wheel.
Nice video, I picked up my metallic white 911.2 last month. one point to note, on the PCM the flap u lifted also houses the slot for a data or telephone system
I like your videos. Just got switched to 991.2 myself and drove it for a week. Overall I like it over 991.1, especially now more torque is available at lower rpm. The GT steering wheel has a smaller radius (360mm) than normal one. Only problem I have noteiced so far is that the car jerks (like you are in the wrong gear) sometimes when you drive uphill at very low speed. I don't know whether this is due to some program logic error between new turbo engine and PDK or something else. I asked my dealer and they have not figured it out yet since the car is just out.
Not sure about the multifunction steering wheel hate, i loved it on my m56 . you can drive sporty with a multifunction steering wheel. It makes it a practical car that can hang with bimmers and MB's with the porsche driving experience. Currently with my 991.1 i miss controlling the radio and the phone from the wheel it keeps ur eyes on the road. You really need to get a 991.2, the m4 is great but you are porsche man!
thank you so much you solved a problem for me, I thought there was something wrong with my car, with the knocking noise when reversing with full lock cheers
Thanks, Nick. Looks like 991.1 is the last and the best classic Carrera S to have. They finally made everything perfect: front, back, interior, kept old engine before ruining it all with the new front bar and turbos in 991.2.
You think that, until you drive the 991.2, then you realize the .2 is better in every way. Forget about the 991.1 as the “last great”, no one will care in 20 years that it’s non-turbo; especially because the best 911s have always been Turbo.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, forgive me if so, but the bit of plastic around the bottom of the sides of the car is because it's a C4 and not a C2. My assumption is that is helping to deal with the wider fenders.
Another factor contributing to the issue where one wheel "hops" while taking a turn with the steering at full lock, may come from increased camber, thereby minimizing the size of the contact patch between tire and road surface, allowing that tire to slip.
That was a fantastic video Nick. I had no idea the 991.1 and 991.2 differed in so many ways. Personally I think the 991.1 is the better car in every way, especially the way you spec'd your car (loved the deviated stitching). You should see if you can get ahold of a GTS model porsche for a video. They are in my opinion, the highest evolution (in road going terms) of the porsche brand, and after driving the cayman and 911 gts variants I can tell you they are quite special. Keep up the good work!
Interesting video as always Nick. Look forward to seeing what choices you make for your new 911 at the end of the year. In the meantime I hope the garage get your current ride fixed. They should give you some compensation for the extra hassle they've caused. It's bad enough when you prang your own car, but when some other ***hole has done it that really sucks!
That's generous! I'm the same - prefer to do it myself. That way you avoid damage to your car's paintwork. I've been lucky with the BMs I've had - my dealer - Sandal BMW (in Wakefield here in the UK) - have been very good to deal with. I'm changing my M235i for my 1st Porsche (a Cayman GTS) though in 2 weeks, so hopefully my new dealer will be as good or better. They've been great so far, but they normally are when you are parting with loads of cash! It's how they deal with you after that's the test. Why is it so hard for some dealers to provide good customer service?
Hi Nick, not sure you've driven 991.2 with PDK but one thing I noticed is that Porsche have changed the manual gear-selector direction i.e. pull to go up, push to go down (991.1 is opposite). Strange that I haven't seen one review mention this because IMO it now feels much more natural.
I wish Porsche would make softer seats. I sat in a Boxster Spyder recently and the damn thing gave me chronic back ache instantly! They were the carbon backed, sport bucket seats.
Great stuff Nick! Keep 'em coming. Like you I am planning on a 991.2 in the near future as well. I'm back and forth between transmission though. I love a manual but shifting through gears with the PDK transmission is better than sex. I'd love to see a vid on the two options, especially from you.... and Chewie if need be ;)
Awesome review!!! Very detailed, even for me as a non-plus-ultra fan ;) You could have mentioned that you can only get PDCC with the rear axle steering, which makes it extremly expensive o.O
you forgot to mention the new exit for the new rear vents. They are on the right and left lower rear end. The air for cooling that enters through the new vertical vents exits through this.
can you please review an M4 competition package and also throw in how it compares to the .2 's model. this should be easy for you as an owner of a regular m4 and previous owner of the .1 you will be able to tell us who actually made progress with their product.
This comparison almost made me tear up a little. The 911 has been my dream car since I was a little kid and this 2017 model is the most beautiful one Porsche has ever designed in my eyes. I hope to get my hands on one before I die :)
Hey man, it’s been 8 years, I hope you were able to buy your dream car.
Brilliant comparison video as always... Thanks from a 987.2 Cayman owner in Malaysia!
Thanks Nick. Your review helped me with a decision making process whether to buy a 2016 leftover on sale, or order a 2017. You also gave a helpful overview of the options. You are A+.
Glad it was helpful Dan
I just discovered Nick's videos! I really like his camera angles. He must be the only Porsche videos, that I have seen so far, that show more of the car than simply a video of the guy driving the car!
That skipping of the wheels at full lock is pretty common. I experienced it a lot when reversing in my yard in both in a Macan S and subsequently a Cayenne S Diesel. I have a base 991.2 on order... Thanks for the very informative videos. Keep up the good work!!
With the new rear vents and the cetre mounted exhausts i think the 991.2 looks a lot more retro, which i really love. Since Porsche cant follow a space age design like the R8's, then i say embrace the retro. Also, as much as i want RWD, dat rear flared wheel arches and that red line between the rear lights make the 4S so much better looking!
YES A LONG REVIEW! LIKE BEFORE WATCHING SQUAD ANYONE?
I couldn't care less about the cars featured here and yet I'm here watching it, nick knows how to make good content, hopefully more aircrafts in the future!
Lip on the side it is because you have AWD version, on the old one c4 991.1 was same lip :)
+Roman Teslya Good spotting. Thanks
TURBO!!!
Great and detailed review, as always. Porsche should put you on their payroll, for always delivering essential information for prospective buyers who care for more than just the P badge.
O joy, a new Nick Murray video!
Hi Nick! I'm a long time Boston terrier owner and big time Porsche lover. I watched your older videos when your car had a pool in it. Reminds me of my first car the BMW 2002. Even with the water and no heat or defrost it was so much fun to drive. Lets see little more of your dog if you can. Cheers!
Thank you as always nick! No one else out there does the in detail reviews that potential buyers like me need. So I'm grateful and also always enjoy your vids!
Nick, you didn't talk about the PDK lever's manumatic function! Porsche reversed the direction of the shifts, so it's pull back to upshift versus the 991.1's push. It feels so much more intuitive now.
+Pangata I did not know this! I will make sure I mention in an upcoming video. Thanks for the tip
That turbo spool sound is so real. Love it. A pro over the old engine. Even the small 718 has it. Legend.
Hey Nick thanks for pointing out that issue with the front wheels being misaligned when backing up full lock. As an owner of a 2016 Cayman 6-speed I can tell you that same condition applies to this model as well. I can rest easy now knowing its a natural occurrence. Looking forward to that moss green 991.2 your building.
this is why i love this channel...u find out alot ....ty
Thank you Mr. Murray. I thoroughly enjoyed this video, as I do most of your videos in which you regale us with useful information. Bless you.
That gentle turbo spool is amazing. I prefer this over 6 cyl...better torque too. Oh and the steering wheel is so sexy. Makes the older one look like a BR-Z.
Great video Nick!
Nice and very interesting comments before 991.2 launch.
Nicely done as always. I am not a Porsche guy but I have a friend who is so it is nice to get caught up on the changes.
+Matthew Sharpe You always ask questions on my videos which I can not answer because you have reply disabled on your account. No the lane change assist is camera based.
+Nick Murray I remember that feature on the [prelude. Wow it was just like yesterday.
This was incredible! All your camera angles make it special.
Thanks for this one Nick. I pick up mine here in Stockholm tomorrow:) Will be a sleepless night.
Your videos are always professional and thorough. Thank you for showing us in great detail all these changes.
Very good attention to detail, Nick
Thanks Nick! Great info! Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Nice detailed review Nick. I really like the compare and contrast you did with the .1 model. Keep up the excellent job with the vids!
Great review, this has answered all my questions of what the diference is as im looking for one at the moment, thanks
Great review! One more interior change, the direction of the Pdk shift lever has changed. It is now tap forward for downshift.
Great job. A nice summary of the differences. I have a 2015 991.1 S Cab. I'm not going to get the 991.2, but this was good to know. Keep up the good work!
Love your detailed reviews, Nick! Your camera angles make them even more special!
I agree with you completely Nick on the GT Sport Steering wheel with the multi function being too busy.I have the multi-function on my Macan S and it looks much better!
Perfect background music selection! Great review.
Great review! Thank you so much for videos... I find them very insightful and enjoyable. The comment that you made about the rear steering was incorrect however. Honda wasn't the first car company with the rear steering it was actually Porsche in the late 1970's. The Porsche 928 was the first car with this technology. It was called the Weissach Axle.
i wish all videos i watched on youtube were like this! So satisfying.
Hi Nick, thanks for this review on the 991.2. I really enjoy your insight in the Porsche models and your videos certainly influenced me when specifying my 991.1. I have had the chance to drive the 991.2 Targa S and thought it drove really well. Because I have recently bought my 991.1 / 4 GTS I didn't want to like it as much as I did, but the new turbo engine just makes the new gen 2 model so easy and responsive to drive. I just miss that engine noise though. I have registered my interest in the new 991.2 / 4 GTS with my local dealer when they get more details. Who knows I could be persuaded.. Keep up the good RUclips videos
Just order my 4S last Friday. Your tips were helpful. Cheers.
Thanks Nick. As always a very well done job... At some point would be nice to see your thought for someone buying a new car. BMW,Porsche,Audi etc...
Thanks Again
Beautiful cars!! I really like the gray on the 991.2.
nice job... enjoyed the video.. I test drove the 2017 C4S with the 420 HP... total package = $130k... very, very nice..
Thorough look. Thanks Nick
Man, what an amazing review, and so very detailed. This was exactly what I needed in determining my choice of a new or mildy used 991.
Thanks!
One of the nerdiest car videos I've seen in quite some time. Love it :)
Great info and video Nick!!!
I have eagerly waited for this video! Thanks man!
...As usual Great content Nick...plus Just love the Mozart on the background
Nick, one comment regarding the sport steering wheel. I agree with you that it looks very busy, but those rivet nut things aren't the only difference, it is also a 20mm or so smaller in diameter as compared to the regular multi function wheel.
+Shawn St. Denis Yes good point
Great video - very informative and great to watch - thanks Nick
Nice video, I picked up my metallic white 911.2 last month. one point to note, on the PCM the flap u lifted also houses the slot for a data or telephone system
+Craig Haldane Normally I don't like white cars but yours is SHARP nice work!
Great quality and detail as per usual, Nick. Keep well mate :)
I love your Porsche vids. Num 1 RUclipsr! hope you order yours soon!
I like your videos. Just got switched to 991.2 myself and drove it for a week. Overall I like it over 991.1, especially now more torque is available at lower rpm. The GT steering wheel has a smaller radius (360mm) than normal one. Only problem I have noteiced so far is that the car jerks (like you are in the wrong gear) sometimes when you drive uphill at very low speed. I don't know whether this is due to some program logic error between new turbo engine and PDK or something else. I asked my dealer and they have not figured it out yet since the car is just out.
If you weren´t that great Nick, I would never watch a video with such content :D But you are great so I had to watch it :D
Not sure about the multifunction steering wheel hate, i loved it on my m56 . you can drive sporty with a multifunction steering wheel. It makes it a practical car that can hang with bimmers and MB's with the porsche driving experience. Currently with my 991.1 i miss controlling the radio and the phone from the wheel it keeps ur eyes on the road. You really need to get a 991.2, the m4 is great but you are porsche man!
Well done Nick.
thank you so much you solved a problem for me, I thought there was something wrong with my car, with the knocking noise when reversing with full lock cheers
Great video Nick, love the in depth videos
Minor changes indeed but surprisingly many. I love em both haha
Great review of a beautiful car. Really enjoy your attention to detail, well done!
Love your channel Nick
Thanks, Nick. Looks like 991.1 is the last and the best classic Carrera S to have. They finally made everything perfect: front, back, interior, kept old engine before ruining it all with the new front bar and turbos in 991.2.
You think that, until you drive the 991.2, then you realize the .2 is better in every way. Forget about the 991.1 as the “last great”, no one will care in 20 years that it’s non-turbo; especially because the best 911s have always been Turbo.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, forgive me if so, but the bit of plastic around the bottom of the sides of the car is because it's a C4 and not a C2. My assumption is that is helping to deal with the wider fenders.
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+Nick Murray Hi Nick. Whats your thoughts on the 911R? It might suit you? Fast but understated.
+Expedition Africa The 991R is not going to be sold to the public, it was for 918 owners and Porsche insiders only.
+Nick Murray Thats disappointing...Porsche now trying out Ferraris style.
+Expedition Africa It sold out almost instantly most before it was even shown to the public.
+Nick Murray Will you take one ? If yes, what model, colours and options ?
well made video Nick very good details.
Great vid Nick for those considering the newer 911 - Cheers!
Great video Nick! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the absolutely desirable 911 R that was unveiled recently!
+Kirtan L I very much doubt I will ever get to drive one sadly. They are collectors items so very few of them will ever be driven.
+Nick Murray Well you never know. You've got enough of a fan following to ask Porsche to let you try one out!
Another factor contributing to the issue where one wheel "hops" while taking a turn with the steering at full lock, may come from increased camber, thereby minimizing the size of the contact patch between tire and road surface, allowing that tire to slip.
That was a fantastic video Nick. I had no idea the 991.1 and 991.2 differed in so many ways. Personally I think the 991.1 is the better car in every way, especially the way you spec'd your car (loved the deviated stitching). You should see if you can get ahold of a GTS model porsche for a video. They are in my opinion, the highest evolution (in road going terms) of the porsche brand, and after driving the cayman and 911 gts variants I can tell you they are quite special. Keep up the good work!
I see those laser jammers ;) @ 1:20
What really? Inside the middle grill? Wow I've never seen jammers placed there before
OH REALLY!!!
Fantastic review thanks. Really thorough. I'm about to order one so this has really helped.
Great job Nick...Thanks
Love your videos keep them coming. Thanks for your effort. John O.
I loved this Nick thanks for making it.
Excellent quality video!
the sideskirt was there on the 991.1 GTS, 4GTS, 4, and 4S. all wide bodies had it.
Interesting video as always Nick. Look forward to seeing what choices you make for your new 911 at the end of the year. In the meantime I hope the garage get your current ride fixed. They should give you some compensation for the extra hassle they've caused. It's bad enough when you prang your own car, but when some other ***hole has done it that really sucks!
+Andrew Moorhouse Oh they offered me 2 free car wash. Like I would let a dealer wash my car!!
That's generous! I'm the same - prefer to do it myself. That way you avoid damage to your car's paintwork. I've been lucky with the BMs I've had - my dealer - Sandal BMW (in Wakefield here in the UK) - have been very good to deal with. I'm changing my M235i for my 1st Porsche (a Cayman GTS) though in 2 weeks, so hopefully my new dealer will be as good or better. They've been great so far, but they normally are when you are parting with loads of cash! It's how they deal with you after that's the test. Why is it so hard for some dealers to provide good customer service?
I literally love the twin exhausts, I would rather a v6 f-type over the v8 just because of that.. Makes the 911 look so much better
Hi Nick, not sure you've driven 991.2 with PDK but one thing I noticed is that Porsche have changed the manual gear-selector direction i.e. pull to go up, push to go down (991.1 is opposite). Strange that I haven't seen one review mention this because IMO it now feels much more natural.
I wish Porsche would make softer seats. I sat in a Boxster Spyder recently and the damn thing gave me chronic back ache instantly! They were the carbon backed, sport bucket seats.
Wow! Great review! Now if I only had the money to get one...
Nice one, Nick.
Great video! Please keep up the good work!
good video!
Great stuff Nick! Keep 'em coming. Like you I am planning on a 991.2 in the near future as well. I'm back and forth between transmission though. I love a manual but shifting through gears with the PDK transmission is better than sex. I'd love to see a vid on the two options, especially from you.... and Chewie if need be ;)
Excellent review!
love the detail!
Awesome review!!! Very detailed, even for me as a non-plus-ultra fan ;)
You could have mentioned that you can only get PDCC with the rear axle steering, which makes it extremly expensive o.O
you forgot to mention the new exit for the new rear vents. They are on the right and left lower rear end. The air for cooling that enters through the new vertical vents exits through this.
+Bari Vitolo True, I did film it but I cut out that part due to noise on the video.
I think I like you and what you're doing. Subbed
Nick, I understand the auto/stop feature is default 'on' in the new 991.2 and can't be defeated. Maybe you could check this out in your part 3 video.
Excellent review, Nick. The 991.2 is absolutely gorgeous. I'm just wondering if your friend Peter is now going to trade in his 991.1 for the 991.2.
can you please review an M4 competition package and also throw in how it compares to the .2 's model. this should be easy for you as an owner of a regular m4 and previous owner of the .1 you will be able to tell us who actually made progress with their product.
Great video, very informative!
The first vehicle to use 4ws technology was the 1985 skyline r31 with HICAS system.
Very good review
OOOOOOooohhh that 60hz. Thank you so much.
I like the changes in the 991.2017
Nice music at the end Nick!
Great vid with comparison