My question is does the new 36 feel as supple and deal with big hits like the new 38? was in the market for a beefier 150mm fork to replace my Pike and was seriously considering lyrik. But now im interested in the new 36. does the new 36 feel better than the lyrik in terms of suppleness and overall performance?
Yeah right! What happened to freeride?! It was all the rage when I started biking nearly 20 years ago. In fact it was the reason I got into biking at all! I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw the first New World Disorder and almost cried when they announced there won’t be another one over a decade later.. Now they act like a 38mm single crown fork is something super extreme for an „new and unknown kind of riding“ between enduro and downhill. Did they forget about the Rock Shox Totem? Wasn’t freeride there long before any enduro bike? My lord, the totem even had 40mm stanchions, such extreme, super progressive, wow much.. I think at some point it’s beyond ridiculous, like they are willingly ignoring the past, where you could get a high end freeride bike for 3800€.. I fondly remember my Rocky Mountain Slayer SS, I had the beautiful yellow Wade Simmons signature model. Of course it wasn’t the best at climbing with its Fox DHX 5.0 Coil Shock, but climbing was definitely possible. It has Rock Shox Lyrik, fairly light Alexrims and the amazing Truvativ Hammerschmidt FR Gearbox. It was the best bike I’ve ever built, I whish I never sold it.. It was the ultimate Park Tool,perfectly nimble and playful handling and in the air it was super maneuverable. More than any modern bike I’ve ever ridden, with their super long wheelbases and ultra slack head angles. Of course it wasn’t as stable, but at a certain point stability just means less fun. Since I’m all into fun and not a bit into racing or this stupid KOM stuff, I don’t care how fast and stable a Trail/Enduro/Freeride bike goes over rock gardens. There are real downhill bike for this type of riding.
As a 6'2", 240 pound guy who has beat his intro xc bike straight to hell, I would love to ride something like this. But my bank account says insufficient funds
That’s gonna be a crazy feeling fork for >160mm applications. I had a 180mm fox 36 grip2 and it just felt a little imprecise. When I swapped that bike for a trail bike and reduced the 36 to 140mm it feels so supple and precise now I bet that’s how the 38 will feel at the longer travel which would be amazing
Anyone know if the fox 36 will ever come in 140mm travel again (or can I use the old kit for the chagne?) ? I'd love to put one on my tb4 but 150mm might be stretching the geo a tad.
Interesting for heavy guys! Sure! But what about lighter guys who run a 170mm fork on their bike and want to swap it?? They must buy a 38 despite a 36 would do the job perfectly. The 36 goes up to 160mm while the 38 starts at 160mm. Why didn't they make the 38 from 170mm?? I don't understand that 🤔. I ride a commencal meta 29 so 170mm up front...
I feel like we are at the crossroads of diminishing returns with some of the bike components, I'm all for innovation but there are some components that if you are not a pro racer you will never be able to tell or benefit from it
Just one of the many reasons why you buy you Bikes/Parts fro WW Cyclery, they have many many people that really know their stuff and they have or will get shortly what you need. Bought an SB6tq and many parts over the years off them and they always knew their stuff, had great deals and kept their word on what was promised. I have sold in the Silicon Valley and dealt with many many Co's Corporations and no matter how big the Company culture starts at the top. If you have a knowledgable, honest, friendly or a egotistical scammer CEO it will permeate threw the company. I WWC case, you have a stand up Co as you have a stand up CEO. Thanks WWC, your efforts are being noticed!
Jeff must not know. There is a company called Syncros that makes a bolt-on fender known as the Trail Fender. It's intended for use with the 2020 and prior 34, 36, and 40 arch design.
Oh I know it. But they are not really available widely at all in the United States. I used to have one on my 34 on my Yeti 4.5. There's a video of it 😉
@@WorldwideCyclery Ik im a bit late, but if I swapped my shock from like the *big part* facing downwards to facing upwards, would that affect my riding??? pls mention back
It's pretty laughable how long it took them to catch up with DVO... Intergrated fender, Bleed valves, trying to help with off the top sensitivity. DVO has been doing this for a while and they don't need to keep revising every year to appease the sheep, they give you all the tech they have at once. It seems like the big names just hold back and give you just a little bit every year to stay more marketing focused. You can also change the travel on DVO forks 30-40mm in under 15 minutes with Included parts.
Look at RS; they have already the new Zeb(too bad is not Totem) but 1. Don't want to launch it so close to the new 38 and 2. As they can't release a big enduro/freeride 170-180mm fork with 38mm sanctions and keep the boxxers with 35mm ones, they need to launch the new boxxers as well. The problem is, the stock of Boxxers is too damn high. Because of that, they decided to wait for a couple of months for the release. #businessasusual #businessbeforeeverything
my 38 does not extend to full travel one sitting still I have to pull it up I've tried equalizing it in all of that stuff but it hasn't worked it sits in about 15mm any suggestions? Is this supposed to happen?
Here’s a question. I certainly don’t need a 38 on my every day trails but I’ve moved to owning only one Enduro type bike that can take 160mm and 170mm forks. Aside from the weight, which I don’t care much about, does the 38 “feel” too burly on flow trails compared to the 36? I figure I can just buy a 170mm air spring for when I go on a week’s trip to a bike park.
Great stuff as usual thanks! The new fox gear looks and sounds right up my street - being a larger fella - 38 for looks particularly enticing. What bike was that bigger guy riding and was that a green SB170 in your workshop? Cheers buddy.. 👍🏻
I would like to buy a fox38 from you. I have a yeti sb150 frame. I see you are riding on SB 150 with FOX 38 pistachio at 170 mm and 44 offset and orange 180 mm and 44 offset. my question is how both FOX will behave. because the yeti packs 170 mm with 37 offset. I think about 180 only there is 37 offset and a larger jump, how does it go and will it worsen or improve clambing or pistachio only there is the same 44 offset and will it worsen or improve clambing and how does it go? you can give your feedback, it is very important to me.
how many pistachio green 38's are there? they say 50 but i have already seen 4 in north Vancouver. is there 50 in 29 wheel-size and 50 in 27.5 wheel-size?
Do you think FOX will wait until this time next year to release the *40* in single crown or offer it mid-season? My bro is only 280lbs, ya think he needs one over his 36?
Where can i find more information about the new fenders like pricing and availability? I have looked everywhere on their website and that information seems nowhere to be found? Also, can i get an advise from the experts on how to master jumps and avoid nose diving?
I hope they apply better or more bonding agent on the steerer tube and stanchion on the CSUs. Had one fox and 2 rockshox forks in the past couple of years develop creaking/cracking sounds after abt a year. Loctite 638 solved the issue on 2 of the forks which pretty much confirms it was a bonding agent failure. Annoying when you pay so much for forks these days.
Great video Jeff! Maybe one of you can help me: Even though I regularly overtighten the stem bolts to 8Nm (it sais 6Nm in the manual) my handlebar sometimes turns. Often I notice it at the end of a downhill segment, but I've found out that it happens when I charge through rough rock gardens or stuff of that kind. I don't really want to overtighten them anymore, guess they won't safely take 10Nm or the aluminium of the stem will start breaking. I've thought about smearing carbon gripper paste onto the steerer tube though... It's a Lyrik if that matters, and I've tried three different stems. Any tips are welcome!
Would really love to upgrade my suspension. But I am having issue with my 2019 Stumpjumper Comp Alloy 27.5 in size small. The rear shock has 210x52.5mm I have looked on your site both rockshox and fox don't have that same measurement. Both in DPX2 and Float x2. They only have 210x50mm or 210x55mm. I emailed you guys already but still waiting for a reply 😊
Personally I don't like the 160mm travel limit on Fox 36. I am a lighter rider so 36 is plenty stiff for me but I still like 180mm forks. Well, whatever. I'll keep my old one.
Thanks for the great video! What is it with Fox forks and their funky ugly lousy looking blue caps/levers that 80% of the time do NOT MATCH the color scheme of their forks or the bike/fork combination. When will Fox pull its head out of its collective fourth point of contact and offer Fork caps/levers that are a more neutral color, such as black or gray?
Fuck I miss the rs totem, they should totally do a remake, maybe black stanchions but keeping the 40 diamiter, a comical steerer and a boost hub spacing
Fox are still scared off weight like Rockshox as the Fox 36 180mm converted to coil is lots better. Like I am using the Twin crown 180mm Boxxer fork air and its good especially high load areas which would do the Fox 36 in. I still think the Boxxer fork would be better with a coil conversion.
Would you run a Fox 38 fork on your bike? Let us know what you think!
Worldwide Cyclery love to but prefer the 36’s root beer
If they would ride as well as the lyriks and cost similar, then yes, why not.
At 1600 euro per piece, G.O.D. no!
I rode it. It is smooth and impressive. But I like the weight and practicality of my Pike.
My question is does the new 36 feel as supple and deal with big hits like the new 38? was in the market for a beefier 150mm fork to replace my Pike and was seriously considering lyrik. But now im interested in the new 36. does the new 36 feel better than the lyrik in terms of suppleness and overall performance?
Fabio needs one
5 years later they're going be a Fox 50. Cant wait
Bumble BeeYaj it’s literally just a dirt bike fork on a dh rig
They already have 50s out there. It's called the Lefty.
@@bennytn5518 Fox brand?
@@bumblebeeyaj9375 Cannondale lefty
I’d call it the fox 50cal
2:15 I think we all know what the real word is... FREERIDE🤘🤘
or SuperENDURO !!!!
ILLEGAL
DoWnDuRo
True say my man
Yeah right!
What happened to freeride?!
It was all the rage when I started biking nearly 20 years ago.
In fact it was the reason I got into biking at all!
I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw the first New World Disorder and almost cried when they announced there won’t be another one over a decade later..
Now they act like a 38mm single crown fork is something super extreme for an „new and unknown kind of riding“ between enduro and downhill.
Did they forget about the Rock Shox Totem?
Wasn’t freeride there long before any enduro bike?
My lord, the totem even had 40mm stanchions, such extreme, super progressive, wow much..
I think at some point it’s beyond ridiculous, like they are willingly ignoring the past, where you could get a high end freeride bike for 3800€..
I fondly remember my Rocky Mountain Slayer SS, I had the beautiful yellow Wade Simmons signature model.
Of course it wasn’t the best at climbing with its Fox DHX 5.0 Coil Shock, but climbing was definitely possible.
It has Rock Shox Lyrik, fairly light Alexrims and the amazing Truvativ Hammerschmidt FR Gearbox.
It was the best bike I’ve ever built, I whish I never sold it..
It was the ultimate Park Tool,perfectly nimble and playful handling and in the air it was super maneuverable. More than any modern bike I’ve ever ridden, with their super long wheelbases and ultra slack head angles.
Of course it wasn’t as stable, but at a certain point stability just means less fun.
Since I’m all into fun and not a bit into racing or this stupid KOM stuff, I don’t care how fast and stable a Trail/Enduro/Freeride bike goes over rock gardens.
There are real downhill bike for this type of riding.
Im 210 lbs. Choosing between a fox 36 and 38 was only a 100 dollar price difference. I went with the 38
Now that's the kind of shaft I like
As a 6'2", 240 pound guy who has beat his intro xc bike straight to hell, I would love to ride something like this. But my bank account says insufficient funds
I think your CC seriously disagrees. Multiple payments, no interests hopefully!
I’m the same way, but I’m 12lbs
125
I'm about 105kg or 230lbs. If I ever save enough money to buy a premium enduro bike I will probably go with this fork.
My rockshox pike rct3 fork is thick enough at 35mm lol
Best. Intro. Ever.
I'm 12 and snapped my frame so I need the thiccc one
You didn't have to flex on us like that homie...
I'm 13 so shut up
😂😂😂
Stfu bitch I'm 12 and a half
Christian Dyrvig stfu I’m 16
Been waiting for your video on it 😁 always the best information mixed with humour!
That sucker sticks to the ground like maple syrup to pancakes.. nice!!
Yes I would @ 130 lbs I still ride hard as HELL!
WC, your videos are so good. Thank you. The damper performance on the 38 is what stood out to me. Will the 2021 36 perform similarly?
Thanks! And yes. The new 36 is very similar in feel. And lighter, but not quite as stiff. Pick your preference 😁
Welp! Seems like Fox has finally run out of ideas. And I'm also open to hearing suggestions for what color bike goes with this new pistachio fork
torgsgotboards Alchemy Arktos TwoSevenNine. The frame is the same color.
Can't wait for the Fox 45 with 250mm of travel....
That white ish color would look sick on a 2020 specialized enduro elite white color🤩
That’s gonna be a crazy feeling fork for >160mm applications. I had a 180mm fox 36 grip2 and it just felt a little imprecise. When I swapped that bike for a trail bike and reduced the 36 to 140mm it feels so supple and precise now I bet that’s how the 38 will feel at the longer travel which would be amazing
The intro is GOLD
Anyone know if the fox 36 will ever come in 140mm travel again (or can I use the old kit for the chagne?) ? I'd love to put one on my tb4 but 150mm might be stretching the geo a tad.
you can lower it with an air shaft from fox, they make a 2021 airshaft for 140mm 36 :)
Liam Woods oh awesome. I’d looked and only seen the 140 for 2020. Thanks!
Interesting for heavy guys! Sure! But what about lighter guys who run a 170mm fork on their bike and want to swap it?? They must buy a 38 despite a 36 would do the job perfectly. The 36 goes up to 160mm while the 38 starts at 160mm. Why didn't they make the 38 from 170mm?? I don't understand that 🤔. I ride a commencal meta 29 so 170mm up front...
I feel like we are at the crossroads of diminishing returns with some of the bike components, I'm all for innovation but there are some components that if you are not a pro racer you will never be able to tell or benefit from it
I totally agree.
Can you do a comparison between the 2(3?) different dampers available for it ? ( Factory/grip2 , Performance and Performance Elite/grip ? )
How do we deal with the fact that each fork has ONE steerer which is mostly 28.6mm and holds TWO stanchions that are both 38mm?
the steerer is now reinforced with an oval interior shape
Thanks again. Good info.
The root beer color would be awesome for my evil wreckoning rusty trombone
Just one of the many reasons why you buy you Bikes/Parts fro WW Cyclery, they have many many people that really know their stuff and they have or will get shortly what you need. Bought an SB6tq and many parts over the years off them and they always knew their stuff, had great deals and kept their word on what was promised. I have sold in the Silicon Valley and dealt with many many Co's Corporations and no matter how big the Company culture starts at the top. If you have a knowledgable, honest, friendly or a egotistical scammer CEO it will permeate threw the company. I WWC case, you have a stand up Co as you have a stand up CEO. Thanks WWC, your efforts are being noticed!
"2050 so this is the new fox 100 with 10cm thick stanchions"
paolo the bunny hahaha 😂 yes
Jeff must not know. There is a company called Syncros that makes a bolt-on fender known as the Trail Fender. It's intended for use with the 2020 and prior 34, 36, and 40 arch design.
Oh I know it. But they are not really available widely at all in the United States. I used to have one on my 34 on my Yeti 4.5. There's a video of it 😉
@@WorldwideCyclery They're available on Amazon now. I was surprised myself.
AMAZING VIDEO AND FUNNY AT THE SAME TIME:) AS ALWAYS:)))! CHEERS! --HUGE FAN!
Thanks mate 🍻
@@WorldwideCyclery Ik im a bit late, but if I swapped my shock from like the *big part* facing downwards to facing upwards, would that affect my riding??? pls mention back
It's pretty laughable how long it took them to catch up with DVO... Intergrated fender, Bleed valves, trying to help with off the top sensitivity. DVO has been doing this for a while and they don't need to keep revising every year to appease the sheep, they give you all the tech they have at once. It seems like the big names just hold back and give you just a little bit every year to stay more marketing focused. You can also change the travel on DVO forks 30-40mm in under 15 minutes with Included parts.
While I agree with most of what you said, Fox has had limited fender integration for about half a decade now.
Wasn’t the people who started dvo worked at fox but left?
Look at RS; they have already the new Zeb(too bad is not Totem) but 1. Don't want to launch it so close to the new 38 and 2. As they can't release a big enduro/freeride 170-180mm fork with 38mm sanctions and keep the boxxers with 35mm ones, they need to launch the new boxxers as well. The problem is, the stock of Boxxers is too damn high. Because of that, they decided to wait for a couple of months for the release. #businessasusual #businessbeforeeverything
Great review as usual. Thank you!
Yo, it's cool to see a review from someone the same weight as me, ha, ha! 150pound dudes RULE!!!!!
FOX! Enough said 🤘🤘
Miss!! (well maybe you didn't miss it but you don't share it) : Apparently from photos in this video, the 2021 34 step-cast will be available in 130!
SICK fork!! I'm waiting for the Fox 40 single crown DH fork with 203mm of travel. hell yeah!!
my 38 does not extend to full travel one sitting still I have to pull it up I've tried equalizing it in all of that stuff but it hasn't worked it sits in about 15mm any suggestions? Is this supposed to happen?
Quarantine haircut? 😂
I rode that sucker! He's right, it's incredible how smooth it is. But it's pretty heavy...
can’t wait for the fox 69
hell of a nice vid! congrats!
That intro had me in creases!
Oh man I miss this trail 🤘🏼
Does all you Points are also relevant for the fox 38 Performance since it uses the GRIP 1 damper?
Here’s a question. I certainly don’t need a 38 on my every day trails but I’ve moved to owning only one Enduro type bike that can take 160mm and 170mm forks. Aside from the weight, which I don’t care much about, does the 38 “feel” too burly on flow trails compared to the 36? I figure I can just buy a 170mm air spring for when I go on a week’s trip to a bike park.
Wow that’s a good looking shaft very thick too
Great stuff as usual thanks! The new fox gear looks and sounds right up my street - being a larger fella - 38 for looks particularly enticing. What bike was that bigger guy riding and was that a green SB170 in your workshop? Cheers buddy.. 👍🏻
two questions..
1. Can a 2020 36 be fitted with 170mm airshaft?
2. Is new Grip2 dampner a drop in upgrade for pre2020 Grip2 forks..
Gonna get me one.
I would like to buy a fox38 from you. I have a yeti sb150 frame. I see you are riding on SB 150 with FOX 38 pistachio at 170 mm and 44 offset and orange 180 mm and 44 offset. my question is how both FOX will behave. because the yeti packs 170 mm with 37 offset. I think about 180 only there is 37 offset and a larger jump, how does it go and will it worsen or improve clambing or pistachio only there is the same 44 offset and will it worsen or improve clambing and how does it go? you can give your feedback, it is very important to me.
how many pistachio green 38's are there? they say 50 but i have already seen 4 in north Vancouver. is there 50 in 29 wheel-size and 50 in 27.5 wheel-size?
Next bike will have a 38. Was checking out Neer’s bike few months ago, right before release of 38, wanted one then
Are those pedals on the wrong way round?
Caleb Jeffares MTB someone jacked up the bearing service hahah I’ve definitely done that
Amazing
Thanks for the info! Im very light, 137 pounds but i ride hard. Do you recommend me the Fox 36 160mm factory or the Fox 38 170mm elite?
I'd be happy wit a 36
Do you think FOX will wait until this time next year to release the *40* in single crown or offer it mid-season? My bro is only 280lbs, ya think he needs one over his 36?
nice review and that intro hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Yeti cycles are so freakin nice
4:30 Reminded me a more adult Walter Jr with serious Hank Schrader influence
Is it possible to up my 150 travel 29er frame from 160 fork to 180 travel? Tnx
Where can i find more information about the new fenders like pricing and availability? I have looked everywhere on their website and that information seems nowhere to be found?
Also, can i get an advise from the experts on how to master jumps and avoid nose diving?
Hi Jeff! Could you please compare yeti sb150 and sb165?
I hope they apply better or more bonding agent on the steerer tube and stanchion on the CSUs. Had one fox and 2 rockshox forks in the past couple of years develop creaking/cracking sounds after abt a year. Loctite 638 solved the issue on 2 of the forks which pretty much confirms it was a bonding agent failure. Annoying when you pay so much for forks these days.
I just got a Santa Cruz 5010 with the Fox Rhythm 34. How can I get the plastic fender?
Will Fox make a coil version though...?
Can see bar spins and tail whips at rampage soon
Not surprised that manitou came out with 37s so fox has to go 1 more
2:15 I think some brands call it "Super-Enduro"
Can’t you already attach fenders to the arch on previous versions?
what's the weight on this thing? that's the #1 thing that concerns me..
Please make a Rockshox 2021 suspension lineup review, wanna know more about the Yari 2021
i like Fox over Rockshox but i'll never understand why they don't have sag indicators on the stanchions...
The real question is why does rockshox not have larger stanchions? Do they not think stanchion size matters?
The insides of the stanchions on rockshox are thicker even though they stanchions are only 35m
Where on the fork does it indicate the travel size?
Great video Jeff!
Maybe one of you can help me:
Even though I regularly overtighten the stem bolts to 8Nm (it sais 6Nm in the manual) my handlebar sometimes turns. Often I notice it at the end of a downhill segment, but I've found out that it happens when I charge through rough rock gardens or stuff of that kind. I don't really want to overtighten them anymore, guess they won't safely take 10Nm or the aluminium of the stem will start breaking. I've thought about smearing carbon gripper paste onto the steerer tube though... It's a Lyrik if that matters, and I've tried three different stems.
Any tips are welcome!
Grease the threads of your bolts and retighten. Much more clamping force with less torque.
Wow il like the bike
Awesome forks as ever, got an older pair of 36”s.. But why the garish colours?
Hi jeff
Would really love to upgrade my suspension. But I am having issue with my 2019 Stumpjumper Comp Alloy 27.5 in size small. The rear shock has 210x52.5mm I have looked on your site both rockshox and fox don't have that same measurement. Both in DPX2 and Float x2. They only have 210x50mm or 210x55mm. I emailed you guys already but still waiting for a reply 😊
Personally I don't like the 160mm travel limit on Fox 36. I am a lighter rider so 36 is plenty stiff for me but I still like 180mm forks. Well, whatever. I'll keep my old one.
Hey dude, Can I install a Fox single crown fork on my downhill frame? 🙏
I don't like the flex of my carbon rigid fork on my roadbike... Might go with a 38 for extra stiffness
😂 Brilliant.
Pics or it isn’t real
How much of an effect does kashima have because the performance elite looks nicer and is cheaper
Rather like the pale green colour on the new 38
Is there a 38 for 27.5 non tapered?
2030 Fox Float X2 adjustments, High-Speed Low-Speed Compression, High-Speed Low-Speed Rebound, Independent Lockout, High-Speed Progressiveness, Low-Speed Progressiveness, High-speed mid-stroke support, Low-Speed mid-stroke support, High-speed suppleness, Low-speed suppleness
Thanks for the great video! What is it with Fox forks and their funky ugly lousy looking blue caps/levers that 80% of the time do NOT MATCH the color scheme of their forks or the bike/fork combination. When will Fox pull its head out of its collective fourth point of contact and offer Fork caps/levers that are a more neutral color, such as black or gray?
Do you prefer fox or rock shox?
I like FockShox. But they are pretty on par with RoxFocks
Does it come only in Kashima coating?
When are the fenders going to be available?
Are there any refresh plans for the DPX2?
They released a new one for the 2021 lineup, all on fox's site
Like few week ago both coil and air.
@@Pienimusta not the dhx2 the dpx2 piggy back air is what I was referring to
chris calomino yup they released a refresh on the DPX2. Has a new base valve according to Fox
Is this at corriganville?
When can I buy a grip 2 damper for my fox 34
More years to come you can use motocross suspension for your bike
Fuck I miss the rs totem, they should totally do a remake, maybe black stanchions but keeping the 40 diamiter, a comical steerer and a boost hub spacing
where are those riding clips filmed??
Fox are still scared off weight like Rockshox as the Fox 36 180mm converted to coil is lots better. Like I am using the Twin crown 180mm Boxxer fork air and its good especially high load areas which would do the Fox 36 in. I still think the Boxxer fork would be better with a coil conversion.
If you see this somehow, what in gods name are ur psi/rebound/compression settings? Would be greatly appreciated
just make a lightweight double crown fork. what is the point of this?
Bleed Port straight from Sr Suntour