It takes many steps to reach the mountain summit, but only one slip to fall all the way down. If people are hating they clearly have never tried to make big power in a car before my bro. Keep up the good work, looking forward to see toast burn some rubber!
Master Valve prolly has low pressure. Check the Cam heads for carbon build up. Pony up and pay for 93 octane with invigorate. Set timing to .05° south. Spray WD-40 into blower manifold. Glad I could help.
Aaron Bailey Yeah and I rebuilt my mighty Holden 5 litre and got my t5 “built” then didn’t install the spigot bearing properly and my fancy new billet flywheel grenaded lol. We all make mistakes specially when we are trying new things. Such is life. Anything other than a good old fashion ribbing for a mistake isn’t worth the pixels it’s written with is my point.
Yeah I watched that one. He did mention he has never installed a distributor before. All his motors as ls based with no old school distributor gears or timing that way
"We did some stuff that we werent suppost to do and it broke, Now we need to fix it" If that doesnt sum up this channel perfectly i dont know what does haha i love it
One of my favorite things of this channel is even tho you are balling outta controle you keep shit real. Just normal dudes building cars. Build, break, fix, repeat.
These things happen folks. Sometimes a car does something weird but it has to actually break before you can figure out what it is. Tuners are tuners, not wizards.
@@coltincraigo5007 RIGHT?!?!?! It's not like they have a spare NASCAR truck lying around with a rowdy 427 ls crammed under the hood. . . Because if they were lucky enough to somehow have one of those laying around that literally wasn't being used for ANYTHING, it would probably take almost zero effort to convert it into a road course destroyer.
If it's any consolation, your setbacks offer a lot of value for your audience. I have learned so much by watching you guys diagnose problems, keep up the good work.
Cleetus: "I'm already feeling a lot better about this situation" Also Cleetus: "We need to give it a compression test, leakdown check, we need to pull the blower off"
I couldn't help cringe when you were going to do another pull knowing the distributor gear teeth were floating around the crankcase. I think you need to pull the engine and do a full inspection.
Amateur hour really... If you shred a gear like that you just dont hope and pray that it wont end up in the bearings.. But i guess it doesent matter when sponsors pay the bill..
@@brettbaratheon9776 oh no! You bested me.. I do have a sponsor actually.. Its called my job and the only thing to complain about are the money and the time.. But what ive learnt is that if you have to pay for shit yourself you appriciate it more because you know how long it takes to afford it again.. Therefore i would tear that engine apart and not risk it for The biscuit
My girl asked what the hell I was watching and I told her the world's nicest hicks and their monster cars. "What the heck was that sound?" "Freedom." :D
Irony Mike Finnegan's Garage a few weeks back, covered this exact subject on do's and dont's of the collar for the dizzy... Guess yah missed that episode?
Hey man it happens. Gotta have mistakes happen so that you can learn from them. You are still the first person to get a GM stick shift into the 7's. You got this man!
@@offtapp8556 I believe they said blueprint is well known for making top notch big blocks. May be something Texas Speed isnt as renown for unlike their success with their LS builds.
@@offtapp8556 texas speed only does LS stuff no big blocks from what I can see. Blueprint does an awesome job with their engines especially with the big blocks
whats funny is that about a week before this I saw Mike Finnegan make a video about setting proper distributor height on big blocks. now I know why its so important lol
"hoping they fall down into the oil pan" sounds like a lot more working on toast content.. maybe he likes doing that more than burnouts? We will never know I guess...
Damn guys, it seems like everything is fighting against you all just lately but knowing you guys I’m sure that you’ll be fighting fit and stronger than ever soon enough.
Not always. Depends on the block and the cam used. My mkIV 454 uses a Howard’s Cams “retrofit” roller cam that uses a cast gear. The best course of action is to contact the cam manufacturer directly and eliminate all guess work.
James’s doesn’t even look like a real mullet, looks like a messed up Mohawk.. Garret’s will be way better, give it a few months. It took 6 to 7 months before I was happy with mine.
@@slofobra4966 got mine and i have to shave it for a new job a holes could claim religion but I'm not you shite famous someone has to cook at affole wafhole lol
I love the sound of horsepower in the morning...awesome.Back in the day...I had a 67ChevyII that put out 625 at the clutch and 550hp at the rear wheels.Old gear head here and you can't beat a dyneO...zoom,zoom...😎🚘
Oh jeez... no, those teeth didn't all make it into the pan, and you'd best be on the horn for another cam and a set of lifters before you even pull the intake off and look. Rockers don't just pop off, something interfered with the lift profile and put it beyond limits, you'll likely find a gouge in the cam lobe and lifter face and PRAY that when the valve overextended it didn't kiss the piston. That's not even mentioning the damage to the drive gear on the camshaft...
Much agreeance here as i watched on i was like damnnnn. It didnt back fire the dizzy poped of and it went all to shit obviously it ran after its not living up to its name thank god but its gotta be hurt
Didn't index the distributor the gears bound when the cam walked forward from the cam button wearing down from a constant load on it from the gear mesh being to tight bottom of the pan probably looks like someone dumped never seize in it
I have to start this properly. Cleetus, James, Cooper, and crew you guys and gals are simply the best. I love the show and most of all of you. Oh, Yah Cleetus you are the guru of stick shift. All this said you know I am a FORD guy. I can't help but rub it in that it takes a Chevy so many cubic inches and such a huge blower just to make 1K horsepower. The FORD COYOTE can make over 1K horsepower and it's only 302 cubic inches. And the hood can close over all of it. But it is fun and all of you work hard and getter done. That and the fact that you are all Christians and keep profanity away. GOD bless all of you and keep all of you safe. I pray in Jesus name AMEN.
Thank you Cleetus for this video. I now you could have skip showing us this video, but you didn't, and I respect you for that. I know you are going to investigate why the distributor gear wasn't in its right place. It was not the best decision, in my mind, to go onward after the distributor gear broke. Now you guys have to put that all behind and spend some time figuring out what went wrong and fix it. There are always these little things that make so much different in the outcome.
Kevin is a killer tuner! Weekend Warrior Tuner vs. Experienced Legit Tuner indeed. You'll get their Cleetus, you have so many other great strengths. Imagination being the wildest and strongest of them all.
i only recently learned how important setting distributor height is when building a performance motor, thanks to finnegans garage. tbf i've never had a big old american V8 to mess with, only modern euro v8's and old 4 bangers and v6's
Lol mate ive got a built 360ci in my",98 jeep grand cherokee I daily drive her she got power",tons of fun in the snow with 458hp hoping to get a bigger cam make her chop
@@sik59rt 318 bored to 360 with eagle rods and pistons my special head and cam job,tons of fun look em up on youtube silver 5.9 with 400 hp off an old junk yard dodge truck rebuilt sence their common in dodge trucks quick swap if your broke and if not buy it straight from Chrysler.
As an engine builder, I never would have run that mill without a compleat tear down and Inspection. Hope it's no big deal. I look forward to the next full pull!! Love what you are doing ! Keep up the great work , I cant get enough .
Quick tech tip, if using a steel gear on the cam for the distributor drive it's always a good idea to run a brass or composite gear on the distributor just incase something like that happens the brass is too soft to hurt the bearings or any internal parts. Also steel on steel doesn't mesh very good. The brass gear will wear as you put miles on the car and eventually you just knock out the roll pin and replace it with a new one. Just food for thought
Cleetus I can only say you just have to know that you know enough about tuning that you can do anything as well as anyone else. It's your money your, car, your dyno, just own it, don't doubt yourself
I hate to be the pessimist in the room, BUUUUUT... The polylocks likely stripped when distributor teeth got between the cam lobe and lifter causing over-lift. a new cam/lifters with some spare pushrods/rockers/polylocks SHOULD get you going BUT i heard a weak hole (low comp) during start-up after you boys fixed the rocker that "fell off" so i bet the heads (BOTH) need to come off for valve inspection/repair.
Clet!! Give Finnigan a call, he specializes in this type of engine builds. He’s got great videos xplaining this stuff in every detail. He’s your man!! Let her eat too much too soon!
They didn't say or show anything about the damage but it could have been the backfire slamming the valve up. I would expect they would have noticed if the valve was bent.
@@legionof0ne441 I'd have to go back and look at the piston crowns and angles involved, but there's a possibility that the valve didn't bend but there's always the possibility that the piston crown is cracked. I'm personally assuming the cam wiped a shard of gear under the lifter and the extra "lift" bottomed the spring out.. we shall see.
@@YZFoFittie Not much coming from the cylinder itself. They open on the down stroke and stay open till they overlap a bit with the intake stroke, The only time they see a force applied is when they are seated to the valve seat. Getting a massive back fire into the cylinder when the exhaust valve is open is however not a normal thing for a valve to experience. That said there is no reason for anything else to happen to that valve in this case. There is no scenario I can think of that would result in the valve getting hit by a piston when the engine was at mild RPM.
@@elonmust7470 What? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Your just a hater, or your just trying to start an argument. Either way keep those comments to yourself.
Keep it up we do all enjoy the hardships and success and be glad your using a platform that has parts widely available...1000hp is still crazy power when you consider it.
If i remember correctly, the dale truck and the crown vic also make around 900whp. sounds like time for a run off. Cleatus, james and cooper draw for what car to drive and drag race.
@@danielpope7911 I think they know why it backfired..... when the distributor gear breaks at about 4k rpm ..... you basicly have no timing .... but your still squirting fuell and sparking.... backfire guaranteed me thinks :p
I have a 2002 Chevy LQ4 with a ProCharger. My truck is built to tow a stupid heavy horse trailer over the Rocky Mountains. We added water methanol injection to keep stuff cool on the long climbs. It is good for at least 25 seat of the pants HP. We did not dyno with the water, it was added later.
@@rowancostello8723 The timing signal is coming off of that unit that has been installed where a distributor would normally go, which is driven by the camshaft. I think they said the block is based off of a Gen IV GM big block, so it doesn't have provisions for a crank timing sensor. EDIT: I meant to say Mark IV instead of Gen IV.
@@NathanielHatley ok. I run a dart big m block with a 14/71, so for ignition I use the 58 tooth wheel on the crank, a 50 50 sensor out of the dizzy port and that talks to the msd 6ls box. I have carbs at the moment but all seems to work pretty well.
I'm late watching this, so I am sure many others have commented the same. As I am sure you are aware, that distributor shaft that backed out and up, drives the oil pump. I heard you say the oil pressure is good and there was no debris in the filter. However, I would be concerned as to whether the gear strip, motor died and everything is fine. OR, shaft lifted up, disengaged the oil pump, gear stripped and it died. No debris in the filter is a good sign. If data logging allows, check oil pressure during the pull. AWESOME content. Great job! God Bless!
i really dont learn much from finnegans unless i have done it before. He drops so much knowledge on big blocks and welding while im over here playing with my baby straight 6 turbo motor like a child ha.
Probably tried to reach an agreement and couldn’t so why. I have a buddy who is a touring musician, loves Marshall amps, they won’t sponsor him so he pulls all of the logos off
@@erickr613 That just sounds immature honestly. They were supporting Mtn Dew welll before they were ever in contact with the company simply because they enjoyed the product.
Im in the same boat. I had 4 cars not running and got one on the road. Second is half ways done and the other 2 well.... Stay tuned lol... You guy will fix it just take time and chill and regroup. Luv the new shirt me n my boy will be sporting them soon cant wait... Bawg deep yall
That car is intimidating as hell just at idle.. lol and as much as I love the name Toast I feel he missed a good opportunity to name it " Intimidator ". For Dale .. pretty sure someone recommended it ..
Seriously though, not a dumb question, how did this engine make 800NA but with that blower the size of most Honda engines, how is it barely tickling 1000??? You'd think that would be turning 1700-2000 easily. Hell, that's the numbers old cleet was throwing around himself!
Any chance the camshaft is damaged from the distributor shaving's. Rocker arms usually don't just come loose either the valve is damaged, lifter or cam. Good luck guys and please pull that pan off, those gears can rip that scream up!
I mean, it seems like the most logical answer. I can't figure out how you damage a cam enough to pop off a rocker but not break it in half. The car wouldn't run. It's a mystery!
@@thewakz The backfire. It slapped a valve open, then popped the push rod loose. Picture this: the cam is on the low side for that particular valve. Valve shut. Backfire. The pressure from the backfire wave kicks all the exhaust from that bank back into the head and pops open the valve that's on the low side of the lobe and when the valve opens the rocker, then is out of contact with the push rod that is following the lifter. rod pops loose. I bet ten bucks that it's an exhaust rocker.
I also bet there's a good chance that the valve contacted a piston. get one of those cameras that you can connect to your phone like this, and look at the piston through the spark plug hole. www.amazon.com/Seesi-Endoscope-Waterproof-Inspection-Semi-Rigid/dp/B07PBF6DX5/
@@fishyfool that would be a good place to start, they know what they are doing but it's fun to guess what happened! Hopefully it's not a catastrophic failure.
Backfire blew out the intake gasket or the relief valve. Tough lesson to learn. And don't blame yourself for the distributor install. Installing them correctly the first time takes practice and I wondered if you ever had your hands on a distributor before.
love the mullet machine, but i can hear the loose rocker @ 6:15 & @ 7:20 long before you even swap the pulleys, and also @ 10:16 i can hear it again. i suprised yall didn't catch that first. i knew something wasn't right while you were smiling about first pull. also later on @ 10:37 and 10:40 its registering 18:1 AFR on or after the throttle blips. as soon as he lets off it goes super lean while its still in the RPMs and decelerating.
Dear Fellas: I own the shop directly next to yours, I produce miniature pirate ships in bottles. Everytime you fire up your big-block burnout machine, all my miniatures fall over and need to be fixed. Please consider turbos on future builds to decrease the sound waves hitting my shop. Sincerely, Larry @ Shipfaced Industries LOL JK, but check out my car vidz! They're fun
It takes many steps to reach the mountain summit, but only one slip to fall all the way down. If people are hating they clearly have never tried to make big power in a car before my bro. Keep up the good work, looking forward to see toast burn some rubber!
Master Valve prolly has low pressure. Check the Cam heads for carbon build up. Pony up and pay for 93 octane with invigorate. Set timing to .05° south. Spray WD-40 into blower manifold. Glad I could help.
Nzpure he got a really expensive motor and installed the distributor wrong and broke it. Lol
Aaron Bailey Yeah and I rebuilt my mighty Holden 5 litre and got my t5 “built” then didn’t install the spigot bearing properly and my fancy new billet flywheel grenaded lol. We all make mistakes specially when we are trying new things. Such is life. Anything other than a good old fashion ribbing for a mistake isn’t worth the pixels it’s written with is my point.
@@Nzpure Your biggest mistake was buying a Holden
@Zenme Yangzi That turbo needs an intercooler and downtube then they would have their boost at 15 BTU's
I don’t know much about pulleys on bicycles but I do know if you put a Baseball card in your spokes you gain coolness
ryan lemons You Tube Channel!!! Is that a mustang you’re talking about? Lol
better aero
Hahahahahaha the famous old card in the spokes 🤣 can hear it go krrrrrrrrrrrrrr
FAX
Extra 15 horsepower on your bike
Garret, Mike Finnigan has a good video on installing a distributor. goes over how to measure everything.
Yeah I watched that one. He did mention he has never installed a distributor before. All his motors as ls based with no old school distributor gears or timing that way
I saw that one too. Didn’t realize you had to set the lash similar to the rear dif pinion gear. Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way.
@@keithfiredive its worthless information. Distributors are stupid and abandon technology.
@@TurboVisBits very helpful input.
@Mod Zozer wow he never built a car from the 80s or sooner as someone who's no more than 30 something. What a surprise!
3:37 Cleetus definitely smoked those boxes and had to dump the clip
You can see them completely fucked in the very next shot XD
They moved them
Yep, driving by braille 😎😂
Cooper's interjections are becoming my favorite part of this channel
His wit is quicker than his V.
🤣😂🤣😂
Cooper definitely was an acquired taste for me and he is hilarious
Beatz I just think he’s grown in front of the camera! He’s been really funny the past few months
He has a rapier wit.
Love the fact these folks are showing it and owning it. That shows the character of this race team/garage.
"We did some stuff that we werent suppost to do and it broke, Now we need to fix it" If that doesnt sum up this channel perfectly i dont know what does haha i love it
Man Finnegan just made a damn video on how to measure to set the height on that collar of the disi for these aftermarket big blocks
I was going to say, I watched that video as well. Super informative.
Link to video in Finnegan's Garage ruclips.net/video/5DHYm6fnJTg/видео.html
Lmao karma he knows his shit has some bad ass boats
Thought the exact same thing...
When some doushe nozzle is right but ruins it by calling it a disk😒🤮
One of my favorite things of this channel is even tho you are balling outta controle you keep shit real. Just normal dudes building cars.
Build, break, fix, repeat.
So do we call it “burnt toast” now? Lol
That's too far bro smh..
Burnt toast played at florida. Teez tabor.
Just gotta butter toast up. She'll be fine.
These things happen folks. Sometimes a car does something weird but it has to actually break before you can figure out what it is. Tuners are tuners, not wizards.
Burnt toast 🤣🤣🤣 cracked me up bro
We need to see the Sebring clips. Life is more than just going in a straight line, brother!
You know he tracked Leroy at sebring before. U should go back and watch it
Sideways-X agree. Wish they would build a road course car. No other RUclipsr really does road race stuff.
I would absolutely love to see a day at champ car or any road coarse stuff
@@coltincraigo5007
RIGHT?!?!?! It's not like they have a spare NASCAR truck lying around with a rowdy 427 ls crammed under the hood. . .
Because if they were lucky enough to somehow have one of those laying around that literally wasn't being used for ANYTHING, it would probably take almost zero effort to convert it into a road course destroyer.
If it's any consolation, your setbacks offer a lot of value for your audience. I have learned so much by watching you guys diagnose problems, keep up the good work.
Cleetus: "I'm already feeling a lot better about this situation"
Also Cleetus: "We need to give it a compression test, leakdown check, we need to pull the blower off"
JasonMisterDude thats funnny lol
I couldn't help cringe when you were going to do another pull knowing the distributor gear teeth were floating around the crankcase. I think you need to pull the engine and do a full inspection.
Amateur hour really... If you shred a gear like that you just dont hope and pray that it wont end up in the bearings.. But i guess it doesent matter when sponsors pay the bill..
That’s simply an LS guy for ya.....
MikesRandomCars wow, just hate hate hate. Someone sounds jealous and bitter. Call your sponsors up......oh wait, you’re a bum.
@@brettbaratheon9776 Nothing he said isn't true.
@@brettbaratheon9776 oh no! You bested me.. I do have a sponsor actually.. Its called my job and the only thing to complain about are the money and the time.. But what ive learnt is that if you have to pay for shit yourself you appriciate it more because you know how long it takes to afford it again.. Therefore i would tear that engine apart and not risk it for The biscuit
My girl asked what the hell I was watching and I told her the world's nicest hicks and their monster cars. "What the heck was that sound?" "Freedom." :D
Crazy how quick we stop everything to watch these amazing videos
Shh, I am trying to watch this Upload!
I guess my lady friend will have to finish "the job" herself once again. Thanks McFarland.
So true
Facts bossman is watching it with me
As another member of the Spencer club, I agree.
Irony Mike Finnegan's Garage a few weeks back, covered this exact subject on do's and dont's of the collar for the dizzy... Guess yah missed that episode?
Had to scroll too far to find this haha. I JUST a few weeks ago spent like half an hour watching that video for no reason lol.
I literally thought the same exact thing
This was thought to lol
I watched that video last night.
That’s funny, I was thinking the same thing.
Hey man it happens. Gotta have mistakes happen so that you can learn from them. You are still the first person to get a GM stick shift into the 7's. You got this man!
The moment the distributor shaft messed up you should have pulled the motor at a minimum pull the intake and the oil pan.
That's what I was thinking.Valve covers as well.
yeah I gaurantee you those bearings didn't like the metal shavings from those distributor gears
That "was" a composite distributor gear ..... still you don't want to just replace it and rock on with the bits in the block/oil pan ect...
Maaaan if it had a Texas speed engine we’d be able to call it Texas Toast
This comment right here!! Take my upvote
I don’t know why he didn’t get Texas speed to build him a motor for toast
@@offtapp8556 I believe they said blueprint is well known for making top notch big blocks. May be something Texas Speed isnt as renown for unlike their success with their LS builds.
@@offtapp8556 texas speed only does LS stuff no big blocks from what I can see. Blueprint does an awesome job with their engines especially with the big blocks
09GT500guy true true , I thought that big motor would make well over 1000 . Weird but I guess Texas speed do only do ls
whats funny is that about a week before this I saw Mike Finnegan make a video about setting proper distributor height on big blocks. now I know why its so important lol
Should have just brought the dale truck to Australia.... you don’t get much more ‘murica than a nascar truck.
Yep, or neighbour. Everyone has a blower car at burnout events here. So boring.
Hell, that police car does an amazing job, for what it is...
@@kramnull8962 I also dont think toast is gonna catch on fire
pedrotski2007 yup if anything just take neighbor over there that thing is bad ass enough
I’m wondering if toast will be left in Australia. May have a buyer lined up for it already?
Stripped gears off the distributer, means that block needs a bath in the hot tank!
And prayers to Dale
Ya it would have been best to stop, lessons learned!
I AGREE, CLEAN THAT ENGINE OUT.
"hoping they fall down into the oil pan" sounds like a lot more working on toast content.. maybe he likes doing that more than burnouts? We will never know I guess...
@@fuckeththou8925 Lmao you right, not sure who that statement came from first? Hoping they fall down isn't going to happen
Damn guys, it seems like everything is fighting against you all just lately but knowing you guys I’m sure that you’ll be fighting fit and stronger than ever soon enough.
I remember hearing that roller cams require a bronze or composite distributor gear (softer material) so it wont damage the camshaft.
Yes they do
Distributor gear should always be softer than the cam gear. Replacing a distributor gear is nothing vs ruining a cam.
There are a few things wrong
And I would think james would know that he's been doing race car shit for a long time no doubt he built a motor with a roller cam before
Not always. Depends on the block and the cam used. My mkIV 454 uses a Howard’s Cams “retrofit” roller cam that uses a cast gear. The best course of action is to contact the cam manufacturer directly and eliminate all guess work.
Honestly Garret’s mullet is lacking the bald eagles that james’ has achieved.
Who?
James’s doesn’t even look like a real mullet, looks like a messed up Mohawk.. Garret’s will be way better, give it a few months. It took 6 to 7 months before I was happy with mine.
@Dominik Ladoš and bald by 40 rockkinn the toupee mullet lol
I need my mullet for halloween.
@@slofobra4966 got mine and i have to shave it for a new job a holes could claim religion but I'm not you shite famous someone has to cook at affole wafhole lol
I love the sound of horsepower in the morning...awesome.Back in the day...I had a 67ChevyII that put out 625 at the clutch and 550hp at the rear wheels.Old gear head here and you can't beat a dyneO...zoom,zoom...😎🚘
Oh jeez... no, those teeth didn't all make it into the pan, and you'd best be on the horn for another cam and a set of lifters before you even pull the intake off and look. Rockers don't just pop off, something interfered with the lift profile and put it beyond limits, you'll likely find a gouge in the cam lobe and lifter face and PRAY that when the valve overextended it didn't kiss the piston.
That's not even mentioning the damage to the drive gear on the camshaft...
Much agreeance here as i watched on i was like damnnnn. It didnt back fire the dizzy poped of and it went all to shit obviously it ran after its not living up to its name thank god but its gotta be hurt
Ya. First thing I thought was man. I bet a piece of gear tooth made it in between the lobe and lifter. I’m betting on a bent valve or pushrod.
Didn't index the distributor the gears bound when the cam walked forward from the cam button wearing down from a constant load on it from the gear mesh being to tight bottom of the pan probably looks like someone dumped never seize in it
Lmao another opinion, their just like assholes... everyone has one
Where you been cleater ?! We are having withdrawals!!
doug s he has been racing Sebring and won
Mad facts withdrawals are real
I hate having to turn to meth when I don't get a video to satisfy my craving.
Dude, for real. Checking RUclips everyday like an addict.
Like number 200 🤙
I have to start this properly. Cleetus, James, Cooper, and crew you guys and gals are simply the best. I love the show and most of all of you. Oh, Yah Cleetus you are the guru of stick shift. All this said you know I am a FORD guy. I can't help but rub it in that it takes a Chevy so many cubic inches and such a huge blower just to make 1K horsepower. The FORD COYOTE can make over 1K horsepower and it's only 302 cubic inches. And the hood can close over all of it. But it is fun and all of you work hard and getter done. That and the fact that you are all Christians and keep profanity away. GOD bless all of you and keep all of you safe. I pray in Jesus name AMEN.
Thank you Cleetus for this video.
I now you could have skip showing us this video, but you didn't, and I respect you for that. I know you are going to investigate why the distributor gear wasn't in its right place.
It was not the best decision, in my mind, to go onward after the distributor gear broke.
Now you guys have to put that all behind and spend some time figuring out what went wrong and fix it.
There are always these little things that make so much different in the outcome.
if coop doesn't grow a mullet then he isnt a team player
Factsss
Leave him alone.. he's trying his best :(
It wouldn't be a mullet, it would be a coop scoop lol
Maybe he just grows his mullet somewhere else
@@pbjealousy2348 😂😂😂 omg a coop scoop! LMAO!
Kevin is a killer tuner! Weekend Warrior Tuner vs. Experienced Legit Tuner indeed. You'll get their Cleetus, you have so many other great strengths. Imagination being the wildest and strongest of them all.
i only recently learned how important setting distributor height is when building a performance motor, thanks to finnegans garage. tbf i've never had a big old american V8 to mess with, only modern euro v8's and old 4 bangers and v6's
Lol mate ive got a built 360ci in my",98 jeep grand cherokee I daily drive her she got power",tons of fun in the snow with 458hp hoping to get a bigger cam make her chop
the great white 458hp from the 5.9? How much boost?
@@sik59rt 50 shot",my kids call it go!! fast juice its cheapier then buying the supercharger and billet bracket
the great white so 438 from a 5.9 magnum with no boost and not stroked? They only made 245hp stock..
@@sik59rt 318 bored to 360 with eagle rods and pistons my special head and cam job,tons of fun look em up on youtube silver 5.9 with 400 hp off an old junk yard dodge truck rebuilt sence their common in dodge trucks quick swap if your broke and if not buy it straight from Chrysler.
As an engine builder, I never would have run that mill without a compleat tear down and Inspection. Hope it's no big deal. I look forward to the next full pull!! Love what you are doing ! Keep up the great work , I cant get enough .
Quick tech tip, if using a steel gear on the cam for the distributor drive it's always a good idea to run a brass or composite gear on the distributor just incase something like that happens the brass is too soft to hurt the bearings or any internal parts. Also steel on steel doesn't mesh very good. The brass gear will wear as you put miles on the car and eventually you just knock out the roll pin and replace it with a new one. Just food for thought
Damn! Kyle makes that with his little Prelude!
I cant believe you ran it with those distributor teeth in the engine.
That "was" a composite distributor gear ..... still you don't want to just replace it and rock on with the bits in the block/oil pan!
kevin and james shoulda known better and with cleetus filming cooper looked lost and obsolete
14:07 is what you guy are lookin for
thanku so much!!!!!!!!
A shirt with toast on the dyno and a fireball shooting out the bottom and call it the big bang theory. I want that shirt
ghostparty that’s perfect
We were on our way to a 1000hp now we’re on our way to the engine stand.
Hot rod 15:14
Build, Let Er Eat, Break, Repeat.
Cleetus I can only say you just have to know that you know enough about tuning that you can do anything as well as anyone else. It's your money your, car, your dyno, just own it, don't doubt yourself
I hate to be the pessimist in the room, BUUUUUT... The polylocks likely stripped when distributor teeth got between the cam lobe and lifter causing over-lift. a new cam/lifters with some spare pushrods/rockers/polylocks SHOULD get you going BUT i heard a weak hole (low comp) during start-up after you boys fixed the rocker that "fell off" so i bet the heads (BOTH) need to come off for valve inspection/repair.
if it was MY 40k+ engine i would have immediately done a disassmble. truly no bueno to turn it over knowing there was steel floating around
It’s definitely “toast”
Lol these geniuses turned it into BURNT TOAST!
Beat me to it...
Go home dad!
Clet!! Give Finnigan a call, he specializes in this type of engine builds. He’s got great videos xplaining this stuff in every detail. He’s your man!! Let her eat too much too soon!
Had to spend 22 mins in the restroom at work for this. Worth every second.
ZSmitherzGaming always the best bathroom breaks
You don't spend 22 mins in the restroom anyway?
Chase Meads well usually yes but today was extra worth😂
Boss making dollars
I'm making dimes
That's why 22 minutes on company time 👍
10 minutes per day on the shitter equals 40 hours at the end of the year! Thats 1 weeks pay to hang out on the can...
Poly-loc stripped because the valve hit the piston, tear it down before it EXPLODES...
They didn't say or show anything about the damage but it could have been the backfire slamming the valve up. I would expect they would have noticed if the valve was bent.
Dang - I bet you're right...
@@legionof0ne441 highly unlikely scenario there...lol Do you know what kind of pressure the exhaust valves deal with on the norm?
@@legionof0ne441 I'd have to go back and look at the piston crowns and angles involved, but there's a possibility that the valve didn't bend but there's always the possibility that the piston crown is cracked. I'm personally assuming the cam wiped a shard of gear under the lifter and the extra "lift" bottomed the spring out.. we shall see.
@@YZFoFittie Not much coming from the cylinder itself. They open on the down stroke and stay open till they overlap a bit with the intake stroke, The only time they see a force applied is when they are seated to the valve seat. Getting a massive back fire into the cylinder when the exhaust valve is open is however not a normal thing for a valve to experience. That said there is no reason for anything else to happen to that valve in this case. There is no scenario I can think of that would result in the valve getting hit by a piston when the engine was at mild RPM.
james little comments are the best, with leroy bending valves and what not, lightens the mood
Finnegan's Garage Ep.79 Tells how to measure for the drop of the distributor gear.
Poor Toast. You'll figure it out Cleetus! We are all pulling for you!
They're making problems for views. NOBODY has as many "issues" as they have over the last year..
@@elonmust7470 What? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Your just a hater, or your just trying to start an argument. Either way keep those comments to yourself.
@@9frankg Don't tell me what to say lol. Fanboy much?
@@elonmust7470 yep defiantly a troll. Ok have fun with that. Good bye.
@Jim Alley but you care enough to watch his videos and comment on his viewers comments???
Keep it up we do all enjoy the hardships and success and be glad your using a platform that has parts widely available...1000hp is still crazy power when you consider it.
Prediction:
Cam and cam bearings are thrashed.
I don't want to sound like Captain Hindsight...
yep.
Lmao... I was looking thru the comments to see if anyone said that lol I didn't want to be THAT guy who just says what someone else already said lol
D'oh!
Better hope the valve seats are good....
Yea, I'm thinking the cam gear looks like the distributor gear.
I woulda stoped Soon as I Saw those Chowdered Gears on that Distributor
Agreed. Madness to try another run.
But your name isn't Cleetus either.
bansheemania same
yep, they're young for sure. I would've yanked the motor right after I saw the distributor gear.
He needs to get one of those scope cams that attach to your phone and look at the cam for damage, or broken teeth floating around.
Learning how to set a distributor should be in the bald eagle hand book.
One of them ol school timing lights? I dont even touch engines but i know what that machine is lol.
@@ChuckBeefOG That's not an old school timing light, that's pretty new.
Yeah thats day one shit there
Is there content comming from sebring? Would love to see some road racing on the channel
Hell yes, was looking for this comment.
Never has In past when he’s ran champ car
We need some road course content! Would be cool to see coverage of the Champ car event.
If i remember correctly, the dale truck and the crown vic also make around 900whp. sounds like time for a run off. Cleatus, james and cooper draw for what car to drive and drag race.
and they do it with engines half the size.
Videos like this one are why I hang around. Classy, even in defeat. Stuff goes wrong, that's life. The worst days make the best stories.
If that motor can't handle a backfire it sure as hell can't handle 45 seconds of rev limiter
Or 5 minutes blowing the tires off either. I bet it overheats and melts down quickly at full boost.
But do you know why it backfired? The backfire didn’t cause the problem. Just so you know. The backfire is the least of that cars worries. 🤷🏻♂️😂
Just the way you worded it, it sounded like you were saying the backfire caused these problems
@@danielpope7911 I think they know why it backfired..... when the distributor gear breaks at about 4k rpm ..... you basicly have no timing .... but your still squirting fuell and sparking.... backfire guaranteed me thinks :p
ken van passen but like I was saying, that Whitney person made it sound like the backfire caused the problem. I was saying it didn’t. 😂
I'm not emotionally equipped to deal with ya distributor teeth floating around in that engine
Hopefully they are just sitting in the oil pan
I have a 2002 Chevy LQ4 with a ProCharger. My truck is built to tow a stupid heavy horse trailer over the Rocky Mountains. We added water methanol injection to keep stuff cool on the long climbs. It is good for at least 25 seat of the pants HP. We did not dyno with the water, it was added later.
11:21 grandfather tuning coming over to inspect the fresh meat tuner in the shop
north422 father timing
get a crank trigger for the timing, more accurate and no cam flex to worry about.
It is crank trigger timing isnt it?
@@rowancostello8723 The timing signal is coming off of that unit that has been installed where a distributor would normally go, which is driven by the camshaft. I think they said the block is based off of a Gen IV GM big block, so it doesn't have provisions for a crank timing sensor.
EDIT: I meant to say Mark IV instead of Gen IV.
Yeah so cooked get a crank trigger.. normally that unit is just used as a home trigger
www.holley.com/products/ignition/crank_triggers/crank_trigger_kits/parts/8620
@@NathanielHatley ok. I run a dart big m block with a 14/71, so for ignition I use the 58 tooth wheel on the crank, a 50 50 sensor out of the dizzy port and that talks to the msd 6ls box. I have carbs at the moment but all seems to work pretty well.
Finally. A real genuine video. Took you long enough Cleetus.
I like that Kevin guy and shout out to the OGs cooper and James.
There is a lot of horsepower emanating from James mullet 🦅
Broken gear teeth running around the engine? No problem, let's give her another rip! /facepalm
shoudl've checked the teeth on the cam gear too, you know they had some damage. *facepalm X2
and then they run it again.... I would've pulled the motor after the distributor gears broke
@@wesleyaitken8756 Me too. That's a LOT of money probably down the drain.
sdguy123 they make more money breaking shit bc of the content, which is why they do it lol.
Bailey Rodgers in 5-6 months this video will have paid for 3 of those 632ci
"$15k dressed"
knock off Morgan and sons motors
When in Australia find a burger shop called burger aurge, if you have a mullet you eat for free
Really hope you got some footage of the Sebring race! Would love to see it!
"That's not a mullet!" "That's a mohawk!"
Came to say this.
Yeah a mullet is business in the front, party in the back.
@@thethepete731 👍
@@locotrucker46 👍
close enough
I'm late watching this, so I am sure many others have commented the same. As I am sure you are aware, that distributor shaft that backed out and up, drives the oil pump. I heard you say the oil pressure is good and there was no debris in the filter. However, I would be concerned as to whether the gear strip, motor died and everything is fine. OR, shaft lifted up, disengaged the oil pump, gear stripped and it died. No debris in the filter is a good sign. If data logging allows, check oil pressure during the pull. AWESOME content. Great job! God Bless!
thats what happens when you don't watch finnegan's garage lol he just did a video explaining how to mesh the distributor gears properly
i really dont learn much from finnegans unless i have done it before. He drops so much knowledge on big blocks and welding while im over here playing with my baby straight 6 turbo motor like a child ha.
@@oshkoshbegone lol sounds sick Abesss what do you drive?
From,
A Straight Six Turbo Boii
Haha. I thought of the same thing.
Cody Pierce it’s. Toyota soarer, 1jz 5spd. Built head medium snail, you??
I love how they got noticed by Mountain Dew and then never mentioned them ever again lol.
I guess they got what they wanted .. a snapback and few cases of dew .. tought dew would of sponsored the dal truck but I guess not
Probably tried to reach an agreement and couldn’t so why. I have a buddy who is a touring musician, loves Marshall amps, they won’t sponsor him so he pulls all of the logos off
@@erickr613 That just sounds immature honestly. They were supporting Mtn Dew welll before they were ever in contact with the company simply because they enjoyed the product.
Dew is still in every video
It's probably so that they don't end up with another fan sending them 1000 pounds of mountain dew to draw attention to their channel
Im in the same boat. I had 4 cars not running and got one on the road. Second is half ways done and the other 2 well.... Stay tuned lol... You guy will fix it just take time and chill and regroup. Luv the new shirt me n my boy will be sporting them soon cant wait... Bawg deep yall
Maybe the distributor was down all the way and the bolts backed out? You guys need to start using Loctite!
The collar height on the distributor was likely for a standard deck height, and that BP engine is a tall deck.
I love your way, so honest, fun and straight forward, thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!
That car is intimidating as hell just at idle.. lol and as much as I love the name Toast I feel he missed a good opportunity to name it " Intimidator ". For Dale .. pretty sure someone recommended it ..
That would be copycating tho bro. What are synonyms for intimidator... 🤔
This thing needs a set of zoomies coming straight out the side 👌
Or side pipes like the old vets had back in the day
It's going to Australia. Mad max pipes!
Been saying it ever since he got it
Mad Max style zoomies
Stephen Northroup cringy
Wow. Say it isn't so. My heart is breaking for toast but I know you guys will get it fixed. Toast is so awesome!
13:59 rod knock sound pieces of distributor pin and gear in the oil pan, pull pan and check bearings as something is coming apart, engine re & re
5:21 I don't think that brass nut on your throttle linkage should be spinning like that....
i think they used it as a washer
Bummer! This has become my favorite project! Hopefully nothing too bad and you guys are up running again soon!
Seriously though, not a dumb question, how did this engine make 800NA but with that blower the size of most Honda engines, how is it barely tickling 1000??? You'd think that would be turning 1700-2000 easily. Hell, that's the numbers old cleet was throwing around himself!
The blower takes a lota power to turn and make the power
It made 800 on a engine dyno. Now it's trying to make power through the entire drivetrain AND takes alot of power to turn that blower.
The blower probably takes 200hp to turn. Then the 800NA was also on an engine dyno it wasn’t on a chassis dyno.
It made 800 at the crank. Lots of drivetrain power loss at the wheels
@@chriscovington11 200 seems a little high. To the wheels I'd expect some loss, hope they figure it out.
Any chance the camshaft is damaged from the distributor shaving's. Rocker arms usually don't just come loose either the valve is damaged, lifter or cam. Good luck guys and please pull that pan off, those gears can rip that scream up!
I mean, it seems like the most logical answer. I can't figure out how you damage a cam enough to pop off a rocker but not break it in half. The car wouldn't run. It's a mystery!
@@thewakz The backfire. It slapped a valve open, then popped the push rod loose.
Picture this: the cam is on the low side for that particular valve. Valve shut.
Backfire. The pressure from the backfire wave kicks all the exhaust from that bank back into the head and pops open the valve that's on the low side of the lobe and when the valve opens the rocker, then is out of contact with the push rod that is following the lifter. rod pops loose. I bet ten bucks that it's an exhaust rocker.
I also bet there's a good chance that the valve contacted a piston. get one of those cameras that you can connect to your phone like this, and look at the piston through the spark plug hole.
www.amazon.com/Seesi-Endoscope-Waterproof-Inspection-Semi-Rigid/dp/B07PBF6DX5/
@@fishyfool that would be a good place to start, they know what they are doing but it's fun to guess what happened! Hopefully it's not a catastrophic failure.
I’ve never engine work, but I’ve definitely broke stuff trying something new. That’s how you get to great! Keep going brother!
What are you racing at Sebring Cleetus ??? We need to see more of that!
Rome wasn’t built in a day boys ... love the positivity can’t wait to see you in oz 🤘🏻
It's fun to watch this today and see Toast in his "Young Days" even though he was already an old man before Cleeter got his wall taps involved.
Motor: YEAH I FEEL GOOD!
Distributer: Hang on... Hold my beer.
All this talk of HP, I want to hear the torque #s
Times the hp by 5252 and divide by rpm and you should get torque
Backfire blew out the intake gasket or the relief valve. Tough lesson to learn.
And don't blame yourself for the distributor install. Installing them correctly the first time takes practice and I wondered if you ever had your hands on a distributor before.
Every time you hit the gas it makes that little girl at the U.N. Cry.
Concerned Citizen hahaha
1 like for cooper to grow a mullet
Only if he ends up looking like Carl from AquaTeenHungerForce!
failed attempts are just as good as successes love watching you learn by your mistakes true reporting truth always wins in the end keep it up love it.
5⅝ⁿⁿ
I can't wait to see this beast on the drag strip
Look on the bright side you can always take the dale truck to australia. LOL
love the mullet machine, but i can hear the loose rocker @ 6:15 & @ 7:20 long before you even swap the pulleys, and also @ 10:16 i can hear it again. i suprised yall didn't catch that first. i knew something wasn't right while you were smiling about first pull. also later on @ 10:37 and 10:40 its registering 18:1 AFR on or after the throttle blips. as soon as he lets off it goes super lean while its still in the RPMs and decelerating.
MrJohn613 sounds like they need to give you a call
@@joshmillikan5675 LOL yes hire me plz, canada kinda sucks. :P
Dear Fellas: I own the shop directly next to yours, I produce miniature pirate ships in bottles.
Everytime you fire up your big-block burnout machine, all my miniatures fall over and need to be fixed.
Please consider turbos on future builds to decrease the sound waves hitting my shop.
Sincerely,
Larry @ Shipfaced Industries
LOL JK, but check out my car vidz! They're fun
LOL
Lmfao! That’s hilarious. But I’m sorry to hear about your work. That’s not funny they getting messed up.
No way this is real
@@muzzleflash7056 Alright I guess I was kidding, haha. I do make car videos though! and strange comments
You need to put a locking stud girdle on those poly locks. Bet it bent that valve on the one it stripped out on. Little bit of valve float going on.
i run mine at 7200 rpm on burnouts and you need big push rods and a great set of shaft rockers to stabilize the valve train.
Taking bets on when they'll 'toast' this 10 liter beast 😂
Torey Weaver give it 2 months
If its gonna go hopefully it goes toward the end of an epic burnout in Australia.
hopefully it goes before australia and they put another one in before australia lol
I've got 2 shiney pennies and a crisp high five it's got about 6 months. Unless those teeth caused any damage then a month or two
Wont be long