Thanks for the video mate, it was extremely useful! I have 2023 Model, but even with the battery pre-conditioning mode, the car was charging 40-50kw on Ionity in the first 5-10 minutes before it was starting speeding up. If in the navigation I set an ionity charger as the destination, after a few minutes, it displays a message on the screen: "battery conditioning activated for optimal DC charging". On the charger, the speed goes up to 120-150KW within 30 seconds. I tested today on 3 different Ionity chargers in the Austrian winter. Actually, on the last charger the speed went up to 231kw! charge time: 00:11:58 energy: 38,62 kWh
Thanks! I am also still figuring out whether it makes sense to use the pre-conditioning during road trips. It might be useful for the first charging stop, afterwards the battery is already quite warm by itself. Of course, depends also on the outside temperature.
@@christophersvideos I also thought the same, but the battery did not warm up. We did a 700km trip in one day, on the way there the charging was slow at each stop, even after driving 500 km. The speed never went above 50kw in the first 5-10 minutes. Last night before traveling back I watched your video, I set the Ionity chargers for the destination at each stop, and like I said above the speed was amazing, incomparable.
You are right, Oslo is usually not that cold. There are other places in Norway that are colder. The coldest I have experienced in Oslo was -20 for a week or so. But this becomes rarer and rarer. :)
@@christophersvideos I’m envious of your weather and the available vehicles you have in Europe, we can’t get many of the models of EVs you have. It’s a sad situation. I have to add the charging infrastructure sucks here too. Lucky to see any 100kw fast chargers other than Tesla.
I am looking forward to an update from Hyundai to enable battery preconditioning here in the USA. Appreciated your consideration of other drivers. Thankfully no moose were harmed in this test.
Thanks a good improvement with the preconditioning added. It will get better, now they have to added the information about the changes in use on arrival.
Such long time to charge and 4+ cars waiting in queue, what is that. Do these people have to wait an hour+ to get charged? I prefer a 30-second automated fully charged battery swap standard. All EV brands should get on that.
Nice result ! I tested today; preconditioning, but got under 20% for the last 30 km = colder batteri. And the temp was -16C. I could not get more than 55 kW at Ionity. That gave me 30 km in 20 min. But OK, it was COLD , and that was what I needed there.
I am also curious to see how much the battery temperature drops for example during this 15 minute wait. Of course -16 in your case is even colder. So I guess the pre-conditioning could not sufficiently warm up your battery during this drive.
Nice and warm over there it seems. :) I was in the area in summer. Landed at Dulles and then driving through VA, MD to PA (with a rental car). I saw only one Ioniq 5, but several EV6s.
Yeow…! Look at that line of EVs waiting to charge! These public charging companies really need to up their game! I'm impressed that the charger speed by 80% was at 125kW: a Tesla would be a less than half than speed -in temperature weather! Good job Ioniq 5!
Nice video but carscanner and battery temperture is missing. What's the battery temp at start of drive? How much warming is done by preconditioning? How much did the battery warm up by HPC? A lot of open questions... Greetings from Berlin.
Actually, when you don't charge right away, your battery cools down very quickly. I charge my ioniq5 almost exclusively on ionity while commuting 2x200km per week, all year around. When charging right away when I arrive to ionity, the car max charging power reaches easily 180kw in winter, sometimes even full power (213kW with my car). What I see as different between winter and summer charging is the charging slope : in winter it moves more slowly towards full power than in summer. As consequence, charging from 20 to 80% is a little bit slower.
Hi Christopher, from Laval, Québec, Canada. Two things of interest to me. 1) It took you 27 min. to get up to 80% SOC. Wow! It’s going to be difficult to get a lot of gas-guzzeling pick-up and SUV folks to switch to EVs, and that is just for the charging time… The charging technology is just not there yet, clearly. Yes for enthusiasts, but not for “flat-earthers” who love their pick-up trucks and SUVs. 2) Circle K belongs to a Laval-based Company, namely Aliments Couche-Tard. There was an interview recently with the founder of the Company, Alain Bouchard, on TV. He was asked what the Company was learning with the purchase of Scandinavian convenience stores. In North America, Couche-Tard makes a lot of money by selling gas. The Company’s worry was that the implementation of EVs would/could kill their business model. In your video, Christopher, you provided the answer. EV charging is a lot slower than filling up with gas. That kind of force you to go to the convenience store for a bio-break and buy snacks and drinks while waiting for your car to charge up. Tks for a great video. Cheers!
Have in mind that more than 9 of 10 times the car is 'fueled' while you either is relaxing/sleeping at home or at work. All together EV owners normally use much less time at fuel stations than fossil owners. Its only on long distance trips the charging time is relevant factor. In summer time the same charge would take 18 minutes, you'd normally need more time to get yourself a cup of coffee ..
@@geirdan True. But, please don’t under-estimate the stubbornness of the Disciples of the Flat-Earth Society. If there is only a possibility of waiting close to one hour to get charged up, in the middle of winter furthermore, as per was the case for Christopher, here’s what they’ll say: F@!?k* that! Also, please don’t forget that the energy crisis in Europe does not exist here in North America. We are literally swimming in oil and at a much reduced price than you guys in Europe…
One more thing. -9 degrees C appears to be cold in Oslo. Here, -9 is typical. Last winter, we had -20 C (and below) as a regular occurrence… After last winter, everybody here with an EV was complaining about a 30 to 40 pourcentage points decrease in battery capacity. This fact is not a good selling point for the Flat Earthers around here, unfortunately.
Wait till everyone has to use an electric car, the waiting time will triple and so will the cost of using electric. If using a petrol car is being a flat earther then at lest I can travel across the earth with no stress knowing I can make it to the other side without running out of power... Plus I can use my air con to keep me warm in winter. If EVs are the future I see the future grinding to a halt. I think I will keep being a flat earther as I like my freedom without a bag of stress thankyou.
@@keithb2055 Actually, the cost to charge an EV has already increased in Canada at Petro-Canada stations this Fall. Unit costs increased by 76% year-over-year. So, you are right. When a lot of folks have EVs, we’ll be sitting ducks for electricity price gouging and sitting duck for charging, waiting in line for hours… Furthermore, assuming one wants an Ioniq 5 in Québec today, the wait time is now 4 years!!! Soooo, I’m coming to the conclusion that ICE cars are here to stay for the next 20 years, at least. Sad, but true!
Thanks for this cold weather charging test. Could you please confirm that you have the latest system upgrade including the battery warmer. There is a bit of confusion between the battery pre-conditioning and the « on the road battery warmer » comparable to the Tesla one. Thanks again from Canada.
I have the latest update with the battery preconditioning installed. It is the “on the road battery warmer” that you describe. It does not show a symbol in the main display like in other Ioniqs, but the preconditioning works well. Without it the charging would be really slow I this weather.
@@MihneaStoian Sorry, my reply above might be a bit confusing. We have a P45 model and it got the battery pre-conditioning update end of September here in Norway at at Hyundail dealership. This mode that was there earlier never really worked or made a difference. The preconditioning works very well.
I am trying to understand what preconditioning the battery does exactly; Is it conditioning the battery before charging on my outdoor level 2 charging station? Many thanks.
@@rhamel1717 The pre-conditioning is not for level 2 chargers that you have at home. It pre-heats the battery when you charge at an HPC charger for example during a road trip. You select the HPC chargers in the navigation and then drive there. About 30 minutes before you arrive, the car will begin pre-heating the battery so that you can charge faster once you arrive at the HPC charger.
Can you try again if there’s a queue? I set it to another DC/UFC nearby if I hit a queue. Then the car keeps the battery warm. And then the charging begin at around 180 kw (with circa 30% SOC) and hits 220+. When you are sitting close to the destination charger, the preheat stops because it don’t count the wait in, and then the battery cools and you really don’t get the full effect of the preheat.
I live in The Netherlands and have an ev. I never have seen a queue at an charging station longer as 1 car. Perhaps we have more smaller stations ? And I was wondering how much power the loader had. Heer are powerchargers at Max 350 KW.
Ionity has maximum 350 kW. In the beginning, they also had only 50 kW chargers in Norway, now HPC chargers are in the majority. Some HPC chargers have maximum 150 kW, but even that is fast enough.
I'm just coming back to this, how many Kwh is in the battery in this video ? If it's 27 mins to charge the smaller battery then it's worse than I thought, bad enough for the larger battery.
With Tesla you get full summer speed via (long) precondition, but charging speed slows pretty fast after 40-50%, so Ioniq 5 still will be faster in winter (10-80%).
For my part, I am most interested in the total charging time. And what it also nice is that you can fast charge as often as you want. There is no limit. I know other cars slow down charging after the first fast charging. That is not so nice on longer trips. Tesla is good in this respect as well, but there are many other EVs that cannot handle multiple fast charging at high speeds.
No. I just did a run from Germany to Norway in -9 and the battery was at 20°, no preconditioning and it took the usual 180kW on IONITY. Not quite 250kW on V3, around 220kW, but still. I only charge to 50% for 12 minutes as this gives me 200km range and I can top up again in 200km
@@siliara Tesla has lots of chargers. But - their SC network does not extend to everywhere. Many - many - areas do not have public Tesla chargers. Tesla has a concentration in highly populated spots.
It's nice to see your car charging at reasonable speeds, but I am not really impressed. I have charged my Model 3 during -20° C winter weather at 220 kilowatts, I'm not sure if the Hyundai is capable of more?
@@christophersvideos Fair enough. Curious to see the cold charging speed of the ionic 5 after full preconditioning and letting the car prepare it's battery the best it can
How long was the total stop time? It was hard to see exactly but I saw 6:42pm shortly after arrival and 7:28pm with an estimated 5min remaining to 80% so I'm guessing around 55 minutes?
The outside temperature is pretty irrelevant. You need to monitor the battery temperature. Get an OBD scanner - very cheap! The battery takes quite some time to adjust its temperature to the environment - it’s 1 ton of mass after all!
Yes, I checked that as well with a scanner. Many tests are done when the car is in the garage and the battery temperature is + 8C for example. Then you also get in -8 outside temperature quicker charges because the battery is not that cold in the first place. However, when the car is parked outside and hence has also a much lower battery temperature, the pre-heater cannot warm up the battery as quickly.
1:50 The local ambient temp is more to do with the color of the roads and buildings, dark colors absorb heat during the day and radiate it out at night. Light colors reflect the heat. This is termed as the ' Heat Island ' effect.
Should be no problem. The AC works well. Consumption should be low because it is warm. I can only assume that the battery would heat up when you do multiple fast charging. So the car would have to cool the battery.
How long did it take to drive to Dal, wait in line, charge the car, and then drive home? Then what was the battery state of charge when you got home? Actual charging time should have been good considering you drove 40-something kilometers with preconditioning active. I really like the Ioniq 5, but home charging would be the only way I'd do it. Where I live, winter temps can hit -20F. My commute is 80 miles. There's a Tesla Supercharger about ten kilometers from my job, but that requires an adapter, and only charges at 48 amps and requires an adapter. Until there's sufficient infrastructure, hybrid is the best option for me.
The drive to Dal took around 45 minutes, but I went there just for fun, not because I had to charge. I charge basically only at home. 80 miles for a commute should not be a problem no matter the weather, but agree, you need a home charging option. Even a normal power outlet would do.
I haven't measured it, but it is not long. When I am in the car, I usually leave it on to maintain the heat. That saves some energy when you start driving again because the car is already warm and does not need to be heated up.
so for you the car charging at 40% slower you say its good? mine EV6 is charging just like your car without the precondition, i can not accept this, 5 % difference is fine but around 40% slower that is ridicules
Usually yes. But all cars manufactured before June 2021 don't show this coil symbol for some reason. The pre-conditioning itself is working though. The latest models show it. There are also some that show a snowflake instead of a coil. Only Hyundai knows why. :D
Good video about charging here in Norway. Tnx. I have the same car, rwd, and I'm now convinced that it is much better economy to sell it, buy an 4-5 years old gasolin car with a hitch (Opel Astra etc) and put the money between (€40 000/400 000 NOK) in the bank. One can buy MUCH gasoline for that money, and no ladestau.
What you described is true for EVERY used vs new car comparison! But you make a mistake in generalizing that. High yearly driving distances can make a NEW EV be cheaper than driving a USED gasoline car. And in your calculation there is a crucial mistake! The 500kNOK is the residual value NOW. Assuming you sell your EV in 5 years, then you would get 250kNOK. The used gasoline car also costs you money, lets say 100kNOK with a residual value of 30kNOK after aid 5 years. This means you have the difference of 180kNOC to buy gasoline. But these 180kNOK only buy you 9000L of gasoline, which only translates into less than 120.000km, or less than 24.000km a year! And don't forget: the used gasoline car will cost A LOT more in maintenance and repairs during that time! So if you buy a used car that is actually in the same league as the Ioniq5 and/or you drive much more than 20.000km a year, your calculation falls appart!
@@glockmanish aaaaaah... I forgot. Sorry! The used fossil car ALLWAYS fall apart within 10 years, and the EV last forever, and electricity is for free. 😉 Joke asside; I wrote for my self, I drive 7-8000 km/yr and don't forget: rapid Charging kost around 8 NOK/kwh, my HI5 use 2,4 kwh/10km now in winther (U do the math) and 1 liter of gasoline cost 21 NOK/liter. Not much difference in driving cost there, and all the economical benefits are soon longe gone. So, in my world: why loose 250k NOK on a car when I can loose 70k NOK on a ok fossil car instead?
You have a some good points there. Especially since the taxes and fees for EVs are changing, there is high uncertainty. Slow charging in Oslo on the street has become extremely expensive and also the road tolls have increased. So that is definitely something to factor in.
@@christophersvideos Yes. I drove into Oslo yesterday, and a lot of unused public parking chargers. Let's hope the politicians listen to Elbilforeningen, and understand how unfortunate this is.
Does anybody know which condition are required for the pre-heating to start? I have an 2022 Lounge version. Pre conditioning option has been installed. I have never seen that the battery condition was initiated. Today, I entered an IONITY 300KW charge station as destination. Drove 100KM, The SOC was 23% when arriving atb the charge station. The outside temp -1C. I only was able to charge with 68KW on my IONIQ 5. In a previous similar test with a FASTNED 300KW, slightly better results (100KW). My previous e-Niro did a similar job under the same conditions. DOES ANYBODY HAS A CLEAR OVERVIEW WHAT IS NEEDED to KICK-OFF the pre-heating system? It seems that Hyundai is hiding this information.
From what you write the pre-conditioning should have started. My guess is that you might have selected the "wrong" Ionity charger in the navigation system. I had, for example, saved some Ionity chargers earlier and chose those, but they do not trigger the pre-conditioning. To check that, I would use the Hyundai live services and select under Live Chargers the Ionity charger so that you also can see the little "info" button that shows also the availability of the chargers and the Ionity logo. Second, also make sure that the pre-charging option is activated under "EV" - "Settings" and then on the left where "winter mode" was earlier.
I think I have found the issue. When I select the Ionity charger in the navigation system IN THE CAR, using the EV charger option in the EV sub menu), it all seems to work fine. Pre-conditioning is working. When I enter the exact location (SEARCH IONITY ) in the Blue Link app (sub menu map) and transfer the location (exact same address) to the car, it fails to initiate the pre-conditioning option. Looks like a bug in the software. I will report this to my dealer. Thanks for giving the tip. 🙂
@@peterboogaard327 Just do the same way as Christopher did. Today I tested with my 2023 model and it worked perfectly. The speed went above 100kw within 30 seconds.
Not quite sure what you mean. You can switch on and off the battery preconditioning in general. But you could also select for example the fuel station as you destination and not the charger. Then the preconditioning would not run.
As an example. I drive to Berlin from the Netherlands. My navigation will say I don't have enough battery and asks me to look for a charging station. Then you can also add this as a stopover right? My question was whether then the heating will also work. In your video, you enter it as a (final) destination.
This is a P45 model, so 2022 (although I got it in 2021). I guess the 2023 will perform in the same way, but since it has a slightly bigger battery it might also charge a few minutes longer.
@@christophersvideos I am owning a 2022 model. They upgraded the SW, but it was not clear if my fastned (300KW loader) was recognized. The garage is doibng a double check now. Your video is great!
The Ioniq 5 AWD seems rated for 414km, if you lose about 20% of that because of highway only driving, 20% to heat, and can only charge rapidly about 10-80% does that mean on a long trip in the winter you will need to stop every 150-200km for 30 minutes or more? That seems completely unreasonable. My PHEV can go over 900km on a tank of gas, fills in under 5 minutes, and still does almost all my day to day in EV only mode.
Yes, in winter the range is significantly shorter. In summer it can go around 450 km, in winter I would say 300 km. So on pure highway driving (with around 120 km/h) I would go maximum 280 km in one go before charging.
So if i get an EV i have to pre condition the battery for up to 40 minutes, queue for a charging point, and piss about with phone apps etc when i get there. Or i could have an ICE car and just, on a whim, when im getting low on fuel, pull over and be completely refuelled in no more than 4 minutes. Hmm, tricky choice. People who are for this future are a real funny bunch.
Having to wait in a queue to charge your car is a HUGE turn-off with electric cars! I believe plug-in-hybrid cars are a better way to go, electric for city driving and engine for highway driving.
The infrastructure needs to be there, I agree. I just returned from another 1800 km trip and never had to wait. But I see with more EVs coming, the amount of chargers should be doubled.
@@christophersvideos doubled isn't enough. I was thinking of purchasing an EV but this video made me realise, that it's not an option for me. I don't have the patience nor the time to wait this long. It's ridiculous. But thanks, your video was very informative!
75 Kw might be good for an EV in cold but it's crap charging speed in nearly 2023, electric cars can never replace ICE as long as winter driving is so horribly slow. That's roughly twice as fast as my 2015 Nissan Leaf 24 Kwh after 11 years, from when the Leaf came out this is where we're at and it isn't good. One of the best inventions was the BMW i3 Rex, this was my previous EV and it was really amazing, if it only had a larger battery but they removed the Rex with the 44 Kwh, big mistake because I never would have bought the 44 Kwh, too little range. If we had 80 Kwh electrics with a small petrol generator this would eliminate the need for charger roll outs and could use existing petrol pumps in 5 mins, or a small Hydrogen generator, I know hydrogen has it's own issues but the Rex eliminated my cold gate 100% it was truly an amazing car. I took the family on a long trip a couple of weekends ago and just couldn't face the charger queues and long charge times so I took the Diesel outlander instead, EV just can't compete with this level of freedom and practicality and likely won't for several years to come considering that 70 Kw is where we're at today vs 35 Kw charging a cold Nissan Leaf battery, perhaps maybe even 30 Kw, nevertheless, 70 odd Kw is shit. I thought 800v tech would have been a lot better but sadly not and this is a preconditioned battery ? crazy. I'd hate to have seen how slow it would be with a cold battery !!!
Don't worry about the charging speed so much, what counts is the charging time. And that is with 27 minutes pretty good. The charging speed also went up to around 150 kW during the test. The Ioniq usually starts slow and the has the peak speed some minutes into the charging.
@@christophersvideos yes the total time is what matters and what manufacturers need to advertise not charging power which is meaningless to most people, they need to advertise cold battery time also. 27 mins is too slow, fine if you need to stop but a right pain if you don't have to except for charging + if there are queues. 10-15 mins 10-80 would be a far more acceptable time in all weathers. It's gone to the stage now where I'll take the diesel on long trips because I just can't be bothered any more hanging around, life is short enough as it is. The BMW i3 Rex was such a wonderful thing to have, fire up the generator and drive on, now if the current long range electrics had this, say 300 Km range and another 100 on the generator and a few seconds to fill up either on Petrol or Hydrogen this would eliminate this hanging around at chargers and also eliminate the need for a charging infrastructure.
@@o00scorpion00o The problem you state is specifically for Hyundai. Hyundai seem intent on gimping their cars with poor charging software. A Tesla would charge at a higher speed and therefore in a shorter period of time.
If you pause the video at 5:34 it shows 47% of the battery is being used on other stuff rather than driving However no EV reviewer factors this when calculating EV running costs instead they incorrectly quote 14p per mile running costs🥴 🤦
This is only when you just start driving. The car was ice cold so a lot of energy is being spent on heating. After a while that evens out and it is included in the consumption per 100 km statistic.
With all due respect to each person's choices, watching the video, I was struck by how a young person paid enough more money to buy an electric car to waste a lot of time from his youth charging. And even worse as I saw sometimes at night with such cold and waiting, as if he was going to buy food to survive the hunger. All this seemed to me as if it were not a path to the future, but to a gloomy past with features of the Middle Ages.
In Saskatchewan Canada 'really cold' is -35c. -8 is 'Spring is coming!' Thanks for this test though! ❤
Thanks for the video mate, it was extremely useful! I have 2023 Model, but even with the battery pre-conditioning mode, the car was charging 40-50kw on Ionity in the first 5-10 minutes before it was starting speeding up. If in the navigation I set an ionity charger as the destination, after a few minutes, it displays a message on the screen: "battery conditioning activated for optimal DC charging". On the charger, the speed goes up to 120-150KW within 30 seconds. I tested today on 3 different Ionity chargers in the Austrian winter. Actually, on the last charger the speed went up to 231kw!
charge time: 00:11:58
energy: 38,62 kWh
Thanks! I am also still figuring out whether it makes sense to use the pre-conditioning during road trips. It might be useful for the first charging stop, afterwards the battery is already quite warm by itself. Of course, depends also on the outside temperature.
@@christophersvideos I also thought the same, but the battery did not warm up. We did a 700km trip in one day, on the way there the charging was slow at each stop, even after driving 500 km. The speed never went above 50kw in the first 5-10 minutes. Last night before traveling back I watched your video, I set the Ionity chargers for the destination at each stop, and like I said above the speed was amazing, incomparable.
Oh no, ladestau at Dal! Great video, Chris.
Thanks!
Sheeeeet!
I had to smile when you said it was extremely cold at -8C, in Canada that’s a beautiful warm winter day, -30 to -40 here is extremely cold.
You are right, Oslo is usually not that cold. There are other places in Norway that are colder. The coldest I have experienced in Oslo was -20 for a week or so. But this becomes rarer and rarer. :)
@@christophersvideos I’m envious of your weather and the available vehicles you have in Europe, we can’t get many of the models of EVs you have. It’s a sad situation. I have to add the charging infrastructure sucks here too. Lucky to see any 100kw fast chargers other than Tesla.
I am looking forward to an update from Hyundai to enable battery preconditioning here in the USA. Appreciated your consideration of other drivers. Thankfully no moose were harmed in this test.
Yes, I hope you guys get the update, too. It really speeds up charging once the temperature is below 7 C / 44 F.
Thanks a good improvement with the preconditioning added. It will get better, now they have to added the information about the changes in use on arrival.
Enjoyed your video. Greetings from California. I just subscribed.
Thanks! :)
Such long time to charge and 4+ cars waiting in queue, what is that. Do these people have to wait an hour+ to get charged? I prefer a 30-second automated fully charged battery swap standard. All EV brands should get on that.
Agree with you that waiting is not really acceptable. I don’t mind charging for half an hour but waiting to start charging is too much.
Damn! Ladestau to the max.
Nice result ! I tested today; preconditioning, but got under 20% for the last 30 km = colder batteri. And the temp was -16C. I could not get more than 55 kW at Ionity. That gave me 30 km in 20 min. But OK, it was COLD , and that was what I needed there.
I am also curious to see how much the battery temperature drops for example during this 15 minute wait. Of course -16 in your case is even colder. So I guess the pre-conditioning could not sufficiently warm up your battery during this drive.
I'm impressed, and thought it would take much longer at that temperature. 👍
I also think that 27 minutes until 80% is pretty good. Before the update, I was at a charger in plus 4 C and it took 30 minutes from 50% to 80%.
impressed? By such bad charging speed?
@@marcusbiller867 Awfully subjective like weirdos enjoying crossovers.
@@christophersvideos The charging curve is such that once 50% SOC is reached it slows the charging speed.
Greeting from Arlington VA where it's a balmy 6 degrees Celsius.
Nice and warm over there it seems. :) I was in the area in summer. Landed at Dulles and then driving through VA, MD to PA (with a rental car). I saw only one Ioniq 5, but several EV6s.
It will be good to understand what is the charging performance for Ioniq 5 with no battery preconditioning feature aka basic model.
Getting a service tomorrow. Asked for preheating update and hopefully the LFA update so autosteer is much more solid!
Compared to when I got the car in 2021, the autosteer works much better now, especially on highways. Smaller roads are still a bit hit and miss.
Thanks again ,regarts from the Netherlands 😊😊
Welcome!
It’s an excellent video !!! Tks
Yeow…! Look at that line of EVs waiting to charge! These public charging companies really need to up their game! I'm impressed that the charger speed by 80% was at 125kW: a Tesla would be a less than half than speed -in temperature weather! Good job Ioniq 5!
Nice video but carscanner and battery temperture is missing.
What's the battery temp at start of drive?
How much warming is done by preconditioning?
How much did the battery warm up by HPC?
A lot of open questions...
Greetings from Berlin.
Working on it for the next trip to be able to check the temperature with Car Scanner.
Actually, when you don't charge right away, your battery cools down very quickly. I charge my ioniq5 almost exclusively on ionity while commuting 2x200km per week, all year around. When charging right away when I arrive to ionity, the car max charging power reaches easily 180kw in winter, sometimes even full power (213kW with my car). What I see as different between winter and summer charging is the charging slope : in winter it moves more slowly towards full power than in summer. As consequence, charging from 20 to 80% is a little bit slower.
Hi Christopher, from Laval, Québec, Canada. Two things of interest to me. 1) It took you 27 min. to get up to 80% SOC. Wow! It’s going to be difficult to get a lot of gas-guzzeling pick-up and SUV folks to switch to EVs, and that is just for the charging time… The charging technology is just not there yet, clearly. Yes for enthusiasts, but not for “flat-earthers” who love their pick-up trucks and SUVs. 2) Circle K belongs to a Laval-based Company, namely Aliments Couche-Tard. There was an interview recently with the founder of the Company, Alain Bouchard, on TV. He was asked what the Company was learning with the purchase of Scandinavian convenience stores. In North America, Couche-Tard makes a lot of money by selling gas. The Company’s worry was that the implementation of EVs would/could kill their business model. In your video, Christopher, you provided the answer. EV charging is a lot slower than filling up with gas. That kind of force you to go to the convenience store for a bio-break and buy snacks and drinks while waiting for your car to charge up. Tks for a great video. Cheers!
Have in mind that more than 9 of 10 times the car is 'fueled' while you either is relaxing/sleeping at home or at work. All together EV owners normally use much less time at fuel stations than fossil owners. Its only on long distance trips the charging time is relevant factor. In summer time the same charge would take 18 minutes, you'd normally need more time to get yourself a cup of coffee ..
@@geirdan True. But, please don’t under-estimate the stubbornness of the Disciples of the Flat-Earth Society. If there is only a possibility of waiting close to one hour to get charged up, in the middle of winter furthermore, as per was the case for Christopher, here’s what they’ll say: F@!?k* that! Also, please don’t forget that the energy crisis in Europe does not exist here in North America. We are literally swimming in oil and at a much reduced price than you guys in Europe…
One more thing. -9 degrees C appears to be cold in Oslo. Here, -9 is typical. Last winter, we had -20 C (and below) as a regular occurrence… After last winter, everybody here with an EV was complaining about a 30 to 40 pourcentage points decrease in battery capacity. This fact is not a good selling point for the Flat Earthers around here, unfortunately.
Wait till everyone has to use an electric car, the waiting time will triple and so will the cost of using electric. If using a petrol car is being a flat earther then at lest I can travel across the earth with no stress knowing I can make it to the other side without running out of power... Plus I can use my air con to keep me warm in winter. If EVs are the future I see the future grinding to a halt. I think I will keep being a flat earther as I like my freedom without a bag of stress thankyou.
@@keithb2055 Actually, the cost to charge an EV has already increased in Canada at Petro-Canada stations this Fall. Unit costs increased by 76% year-over-year. So, you are right. When a lot of folks have EVs, we’ll be sitting ducks for electricity price gouging and sitting duck for charging, waiting in line for hours… Furthermore, assuming one wants an Ioniq 5 in Québec today, the wait time is now 4 years!!! Soooo, I’m coming to the conclusion that ICE cars are here to stay for the next 20 years, at least. Sad, but true!
Thanks for this cold weather charging test. Could you please confirm that you have the latest system upgrade including the battery warmer. There is a bit of confusion between the battery pre-conditioning and the « on the road battery warmer » comparable to the Tesla one. Thanks again from Canada.
I have the latest update with the battery preconditioning installed. It is the “on the road battery warmer” that you describe. It does not show a symbol in the main display like in other Ioniqs, but the preconditioning works well. Without it the charging would be really slow I this weather.
Winter mode is NOT pre-conditioning. We have an early 22 in Canada and the update can't come soon enough.
@@MihneaStoian Sorry, my reply above might be a bit confusing. We have a P45 model and it got the battery pre-conditioning update end of September here in Norway at at Hyundail dealership. This mode that was there earlier never really worked or made a difference. The preconditioning works very well.
I am trying to understand what preconditioning the battery does exactly; Is it conditioning the battery before charging on my outdoor level 2 charging station? Many thanks.
@@rhamel1717 The pre-conditioning is not for level 2 chargers that you have at home. It pre-heats the battery when you charge at an HPC charger for example during a road trip. You select the HPC chargers in the navigation and then drive there. About 30 minutes before you arrive, the car will begin pre-heating the battery so that you can charge faster once you arrive at the HPC charger.
Can you try again if there’s a queue? I set it to another DC/UFC nearby if I hit a queue. Then the car keeps the battery warm. And then the charging begin at around 180 kw (with circa 30% SOC) and hits 220+. When you are sitting close to the destination charger, the preheat stops because it don’t count the wait in, and then the battery cools and you really don’t get the full effect of the preheat.
Good idea. I can try that next time. Only I have rarely encountered queues in the last years. :D
I live in The Netherlands and have an ev. I never have seen a queue at an charging station longer as 1 car. Perhaps we have more smaller stations ? And I was wondering how much power the loader had. Heer are powerchargers at Max 350 KW.
Ionity has 350 kW. I haven't often experienced charging queues, but especially during holidays they become more frequent.
Is this the P45 solar roof verswith the older 72..4kw battery, or the newer 77kw 2023 version
Yes, it is the P45 with solar roof.
that is one hell of a charging station. 100kw?!?! thats insane. Here in BC Canada for my Toyota bz4x that fastest charging station here is 50KW
Ionity has maximum 350 kW. In the beginning, they also had only 50 kW chargers in Norway, now HPC chargers are in the majority. Some HPC chargers have maximum 150 kW, but even that is fast enough.
I'm just coming back to this, how many Kwh is in the battery in this video ?
If it's 27 mins to charge the smaller battery then it's worse than I thought, bad enough for the larger battery.
10:18 - what car was there at the right side in front? - Looks very cool, wow!
That was a Volkswagen ID.3.
@@christophersvideos Not the one directly in front, but the one that is revealed on the right side after ID.3 drives away.
With Tesla you get full summer speed via (long) precondition, but charging speed slows pretty fast after 40-50%, so Ioniq 5 still will be faster in winter (10-80%).
For my part, I am most interested in the total charging time. And what it also nice is that you can fast charge as often as you want. There is no limit. I know other cars slow down charging after the first fast charging. That is not so nice on longer trips. Tesla is good in this respect as well, but there are many other EVs that cannot handle multiple fast charging at high speeds.
Tesla network is more limiting than the non-Tesla. And, there is the matter of that guy.
No. I just did a run from Germany to Norway in -9 and the battery was at 20°, no preconditioning and it took the usual 180kW on IONITY. Not quite 250kW on V3, around 220kW, but still. I only charge to 50% for 12 minutes as this gives me 200km range and I can top up again in 200km
@@siliara Tesla has lots of chargers. But - their SC network does not extend to everywhere.
Many - many - areas do not have public Tesla chargers. Tesla has a concentration in highly populated spots.
@@siliara Yes - having a standard charger - CCS - is a massive point of wisdom.
North America - not so good.
It's nice to see your car charging at reasonable speeds, but I am not really impressed. I have charged my Model 3 during -20° C winter weather at 220 kilowatts, I'm not sure if the Hyundai is capable of more?
It all depends on the battery temperature. In case of this test, the battery was cold plus the 15 minute wait time maybe cooled it down.
@@christophersvideos Fair enough. Curious to see the cold charging speed of the ionic 5 after full preconditioning and letting the car prepare it's battery the best it can
How long was the total stop time? It was hard to see exactly but I saw 6:42pm shortly after arrival and 7:28pm with an estimated 5min remaining to 80% so I'm guessing around 55 minutes?
I forgot to check it exactly. The charging itself took 27 minutes, and I think I waited before that around 15 minutes.
The outside temperature is pretty irrelevant. You need to monitor the battery temperature. Get an OBD scanner - very cheap! The battery takes quite some time to adjust its temperature to the environment - it’s 1 ton of mass after all!
Yes, I checked that as well with a scanner. Many tests are done when the car is in the garage and the battery temperature is + 8C for example. Then you also get in -8 outside temperature quicker charges because the battery is not that cold in the first place. However, when the car is parked outside and hence has also a much lower battery temperature, the pre-heater cannot warm up the battery as quickly.
한국에서도 잘 보고 있습니다^^ 타이어휠은 19인치인가요?
This one has 19 inch winter tyres on. In summer I used the 20 inch ones.
@@christophersvideos Thank you good luck.
Subbed. Thanks Christopher. I really want to get my hands on one of these cars. I just reviewed my y and i3
Thanks for the sub!
@@christophersvideos of coarse , on the lookout for other cool ev channels
Seems about what I expected. Obviously slower in the cold, but still comparable to the speed of an ID4 in good weather.
Good job
We don't have moose in Norway, we have elk.
But I understand we are all quite Americanized and Google…
Always learning something new. Always thought it was moose in English. :)
I’m presuming the car charging to the right is the Audi etron GT.
Yes you are right. I think I said it wrong in the video.
Do you have to drive so far for a charger???
1:50 The local ambient temp is more to do with the color of the roads and buildings, dark colors absorb heat during the day and radiate it out at night. Light colors reflect the heat. This is termed as the ' Heat Island ' effect.
How long did it take from the time you arrived at the back of the queue, to driving away?
I waited around 15 minutes. So in total 45 minutes.
How do these EVs handle heat? South Alabama is 90°+ for a good portion of the summer.
Should be no problem. The AC works well. Consumption should be low because it is warm. I can only assume that the battery would heat up when you do multiple fast charging. So the car would have to cool the battery.
How long did it take to drive to Dal, wait in line, charge the car, and then drive home? Then what was the battery state of charge when you got home? Actual charging time should have been good considering you drove 40-something kilometers with preconditioning active. I really like the Ioniq 5, but home charging would be the only way I'd do it. Where I live, winter temps can hit -20F. My commute is 80 miles. There's a Tesla Supercharger about ten kilometers from my job, but that requires an adapter, and only charges at 48 amps and requires an adapter. Until there's sufficient infrastructure, hybrid is the best option for me.
The drive to Dal took around 45 minutes, but I went there just for fun, not because I had to charge. I charge basically only at home. 80 miles for a commute should not be a problem no matter the weather, but agree, you need a home charging option. Even a normal power outlet would do.
How much longer will it take to Charge is you are waiting with the HEATER ON ???
I haven't measured it, but it is not long. When I am in the car, I usually leave it on to maintain the heat. That saves some energy when you start driving again because the car is already warm and does not need to be heated up.
-8 is mild winter temperature in south korea.
Nice to see the anxiety of all of you guys, is it gonna charge or not
so for you the car charging at 40% slower you say its good? mine EV6 is charging just like your car without the precondition, i can not accept this, 5 % difference is fine but around 40% slower that is ridicules
To accurately express the time for charging, start to finish, should include waiting time
The wait time is usually 0.
At this point -6 seems like beach weather😂 but I live upstate NY(near Buffalo)
Yes, it can also get much colder other places in Norway. On average for the Oslo area it is a good test.
Battery pre-conditioning doesn't work below 20 percent of battery is a huge problem. Hyundai should change this to 10 percent
I think Hyundai doesn't want to take the risk, but I would also like to have a manual function to activate it.
@@christophersvideos Ioniq 5 doesn't have a manual option to turn On battery conditioning?
@@Vxvx22 Unfortunately not.
@@christophersvideos I see. Too bad
You should not have a coil indicator over the battery icon when preconditioning is active ?
Usually yes. But all cars manufactured before June 2021 don't show this coil symbol for some reason. The pre-conditioning itself is working though. The latest models show it. There are also some that show a snowflake instead of a coil. Only Hyundai knows why. :D
Good video about charging here in Norway. Tnx. I have the same car, rwd, and I'm now convinced that it is much better economy to sell it, buy an 4-5 years old gasolin car with a hitch (Opel Astra etc) and put the money between (€40 000/400 000 NOK) in the bank. One can buy MUCH gasoline for that money, and no ladestau.
What you described is true for EVERY used vs new car comparison! But you make a mistake in generalizing that. High yearly driving distances can make a NEW EV be cheaper than driving a USED gasoline car.
And in your calculation there is a crucial mistake! The 500kNOK is the residual value NOW. Assuming you sell your EV in 5 years, then you would get 250kNOK. The used gasoline car also costs you money, lets say 100kNOK with a residual value of 30kNOK after aid 5 years. This means you have the difference of 180kNOC to buy gasoline. But these 180kNOK only buy you 9000L of gasoline, which only translates into less than 120.000km, or less than 24.000km a year! And don't forget: the used gasoline car will cost A LOT more in maintenance and repairs during that time!
So if you buy a used car that is actually in the same league as the Ioniq5 and/or you drive much more than 20.000km a year, your calculation falls appart!
@@glockmanish aaaaaah... I forgot. Sorry! The used fossil car ALLWAYS fall apart within 10 years, and the EV last forever, and electricity is for free. 😉
Joke asside; I wrote for my self, I drive 7-8000 km/yr and don't forget: rapid Charging kost around 8 NOK/kwh, my HI5 use 2,4 kwh/10km now in winther (U do the math) and 1 liter of gasoline cost 21 NOK/liter. Not much difference in driving cost there, and all the economical benefits are soon longe gone. So, in my world: why loose 250k NOK on a car when I can loose 70k NOK on a ok fossil car instead?
You have a some good points there. Especially since the taxes and fees for EVs are changing, there is high uncertainty. Slow charging in Oslo on the street has become extremely expensive and also the road tolls have increased. So that is definitely something to factor in.
@@christophersvideos Yes. I drove into Oslo yesterday, and a lot of unused public parking chargers. Let's hope the politicians listen to Elbilforeningen, and understand how unfortunate this is.
Does anybody know which condition are required for the pre-heating to start? I have an 2022 Lounge version. Pre conditioning option has been installed. I have never seen that the battery condition was initiated. Today, I entered an IONITY 300KW charge station as destination. Drove 100KM, The SOC was 23% when arriving atb the charge station. The outside temp -1C. I only was able to charge with 68KW on my IONIQ 5. In a previous similar test with a FASTNED 300KW, slightly better results (100KW). My previous e-Niro did a similar job under the same conditions. DOES ANYBODY HAS A CLEAR OVERVIEW WHAT IS NEEDED to KICK-OFF the pre-heating system? It seems that Hyundai is hiding this information.
From what you write the pre-conditioning should have started. My guess is that you might have selected the "wrong" Ionity charger in the navigation system. I had, for example, saved some Ionity chargers earlier and chose those, but they do not trigger the pre-conditioning. To check that, I would use the Hyundai live services and select under Live Chargers the Ionity charger so that you also can see the little "info" button that shows also the availability of the chargers and the Ionity logo. Second, also make sure that the pre-charging option is activated under "EV" - "Settings" and then on the left where "winter mode" was earlier.
@@christophersvideos Christopher, I will try that. Still it seems a very fragile system...
I think I have found the issue. When I select the Ionity charger in the navigation system IN THE CAR, using the EV charger option in the EV sub menu), it all seems to work fine. Pre-conditioning is working. When I enter the exact location (SEARCH IONITY ) in the Blue Link app (sub menu map) and transfer the location (exact same address) to the car, it fails to initiate the pre-conditioning option. Looks like a bug in the software. I will report this to my dealer. Thanks for giving the tip. 🙂
@@peterboogaard327 Just do the same way as Christopher did. Today I tested with my 2023 model and it worked perfectly. The speed went above 100kw within 30 seconds.
@@gyulapreseka5358 Thank you. When using Hyundai live , it all works fine. THANKS FOR HELPING!
Can you also put the charger destination as a setpoint, in stead of destination for battery conditioning?
Not quite sure what you mean. You can switch on and off the battery preconditioning in general. But you could also select for example the fuel station as you destination and not the charger. Then the preconditioning would not run.
As an example. I drive to Berlin from the Netherlands. My navigation will say I don't have enough battery and asks me to look for a charging station. Then you can also add this as a stopover right? My question was whether then the heating will also work. In your video, you enter it as a (final) destination.
Did you test a 2022 or 2023 model?
This is a P45 model, so 2022 (although I got it in 2021). I guess the 2023 will perform in the same way, but since it has a slightly bigger battery it might also charge a few minutes longer.
@@christophersvideos I am owning a 2022 model. They upgraded the SW, but it was not clear if my fastned (300KW loader) was recognized. The garage is doibng a double check now. Your video is great!
The Ioniq 5 AWD seems rated for 414km, if you lose about 20% of that because of highway only driving, 20% to heat, and can only charge rapidly about 10-80% does that mean on a long trip in the winter you will need to stop every 150-200km for 30 minutes or more? That seems completely unreasonable.
My PHEV can go over 900km on a tank of gas, fills in under 5 minutes, and still does almost all my day to day in EV only mode.
Yes, in winter the range is significantly shorter. In summer it can go around 450 km, in winter I would say 300 km. So on pure highway driving (with around 120 km/h) I would go maximum 280 km in one go before charging.
How come your car talks in English instead of Norwegian ?
I prefer English for all my devices.
@@christophersvideos useful for international RUclips videos too. 👍
So if i get an EV i have to pre condition the battery for up to 40 minutes, queue for a charging point, and piss about with phone apps etc when i get there. Or i could have an ICE car and just, on a whim, when im getting low on fuel, pull over and be completely refuelled in no more than 4 minutes. Hmm, tricky choice. People who are for this future are a real funny bunch.
Having to wait in a queue to charge your car is a HUGE turn-off with electric cars! I believe plug-in-hybrid cars are a better way to go, electric for city driving and engine for highway driving.
The infrastructure needs to be there, I agree. I just returned from another 1800 km trip and never had to wait. But I see with more EVs coming, the amount of chargers should be doubled.
@@christophersvideos doubled isn't enough. I was thinking of purchasing an EV but this video made me realise, that it's not an option for me. I don't have the patience nor the time to wait this long. It's ridiculous. But thanks, your video was very informative!
75 Kw might be good for an EV in cold but it's crap charging speed in nearly 2023, electric cars can never replace ICE as long as winter driving is so horribly slow. That's roughly twice as fast as my 2015 Nissan Leaf 24 Kwh after 11 years, from when the Leaf came out this is where we're at and it isn't good.
One of the best inventions was the BMW i3 Rex, this was my previous EV and it was really amazing, if it only had a larger battery but they removed the Rex with the 44 Kwh, big mistake because I never would have bought the 44 Kwh, too little range.
If we had 80 Kwh electrics with a small petrol generator this would eliminate the need for charger roll outs and could use existing petrol pumps in 5 mins, or a small Hydrogen generator, I know hydrogen has it's own issues but the Rex eliminated my cold gate 100% it was truly an amazing car.
I took the family on a long trip a couple of weekends ago and just couldn't face the charger queues and long charge times so I took the Diesel outlander instead, EV just can't compete with this level of freedom and practicality and likely won't for several years to come considering that 70 Kw is where we're at today vs 35 Kw charging a cold Nissan Leaf battery, perhaps maybe even 30 Kw, nevertheless, 70 odd Kw is shit.
I thought 800v tech would have been a lot better but sadly not and this is a preconditioned battery ? crazy. I'd hate to have seen how slow it would be with a cold battery !!!
Don't worry about the charging speed so much, what counts is the charging time. And that is with 27 minutes pretty good. The charging speed also went up to around 150 kW during the test. The Ioniq usually starts slow and the has the peak speed some minutes into the charging.
@@christophersvideos yes the total time is what matters and what manufacturers need to advertise not charging power which is meaningless to most people, they need to advertise cold battery time also.
27 mins is too slow, fine if you need to stop but a right pain if you don't have to except for charging + if there are queues.
10-15 mins 10-80 would be a far more acceptable time in all weathers.
It's gone to the stage now where I'll take the diesel on long trips because I just can't be bothered any more hanging around, life is short enough as it is.
The BMW i3 Rex was such a wonderful thing to have, fire up the generator and drive on, now if the current long range electrics had this, say 300 Km range and another 100 on the generator and a few seconds to fill up either on Petrol or Hydrogen this would eliminate this hanging around at chargers and also eliminate the need for a charging infrastructure.
@@o00scorpion00o Agree!
@@o00scorpion00o The problem you state is specifically for Hyundai. Hyundai seem intent on gimping their cars with poor charging software. A Tesla would charge at a higher speed and therefore in a shorter period of time.
@@verygoodbrother what do you mean specifically for Hyundai? Cold battery charging is. Big issue for most electric cars.
If you pause the video at 5:34 it shows 47% of the battery is being used on other stuff rather than driving
However no EV reviewer factors this when calculating EV running costs instead they incorrectly quote 14p per mile running costs🥴 🤦
This is only when you just start driving. The car was ice cold so a lot of energy is being spent on heating. After a while that evens out and it is included in the consumption per 100 km statistic.
Wow hahahaha. That is pretty bad.
With all due respect to each person's choices, watching the video, I was struck by how a young person paid enough more money to buy an electric car to waste a lot of time from his youth charging. And even worse as I saw sometimes at night with such cold and waiting, as if he was going to buy food to survive the hunger. All this seemed to me as if it were not a path to the future, but to a gloomy past with features of the Middle Ages.
I had to laugh at what you put up with to have an EV.
One Hour and Half wasted just to charge 54% 🤨🤔😒
I mean I m factoring
1-Driving Time
2-Waiting Times
3-Charging times
This was a test drive. Normally, I charge the car at home.
@@christophersvideos it was an interesting test because it shows Ev owner's realities when Travelling
Testing cold battery charging without measuring battery temperature? This makes the whole test meaningless and unprofessional.