I'd like to see you leave the car out overnight and not charge it, then select a charger more than 30 miles away, then drive to the charger and let the car turn on the preconditioning as you get close. That way we could see what it would be like for someone traveling to a charger with a cold battery to see if it gets warm enough by the time you get there.
Good idea. There is an EA about two miles from my home, and the next closest is ~ 100 miles away. I charge at home on L2, so EA is relevant to me only on road trips.
Also, do it like a normal person would. Precondition cab for 10-15min, hop in, drive 10-15min to the nearest charger, blast it. If this doesn't get it to the point to accept 200kw then, THAT is what they need to achieve for mass adoption to ever happen.
I did it with mine. Left it for 2 days in Lake Tahoe. Below 30F. I then drove back to so cal with my first charge stop in Bridgeport. Preconditioning turned on about 40 minutes out from the charger. Plugged in and immediately got 190kw.
It’s been confirmed that you don’t need to be even actively driving, just set the destination and you can leave it in your garage. But my god does that user experience need work…
Honestly I prefer it to automatic updates. Unpopular opinion, I know, but it means that the car isn't constantly talking to Hyundai and the cybersecurity nerd that's in me is happier that way. Usually you can update Hyundais by yourself with an SD card and a computer, don't know about the ioniq specifically but it works with my tucson
I have a '23 AWD that came with the battery pre-conditioning. ECO mode was always very slow, I don't use it very much but I wouldn't call it bricked, I always just assumed that minimizing energy use meant you sacrifice acceleration.
Exactly, if you do lots of accelerations, I guess it would save some energy. In real world I doubt you would save much energy compared to normal mode, maybe it's worth testing in city 😀
The old (better) eco mode would still limit acceleration, but when you really pressed on the pedal it would still give you safe, usable acceleration in a passing/emergency situation. The new mode won’t. It’s not safe. Hyundai seems to agree.
@@59317 I totally get that not having the acceleration there for you when you used to have it is not safe but those of us '23 owners never knew any difference so we used it when we wanted that extreme efficiency. For me, the ability to switch drive mode so quickly, (drop the left thumb), means you can get out of any situation you need to quite quickly. I disagree with Kyle's assertion that this bricks the ECO mode. Its all in how you use it.
Great demonstration of how important this feature is. Apparently the latest BMW i4 M50's coming off the production line finally have a manual precondition the battery function. So at least the feedback you and others have been sending is getting through to these manufacturers.
I pulled 249kW's (40˚F outside) this past weekend with my 2023 SEL, after pre-conditioning -- the feeling was incredible. Mine does not display a snowflake but a curly, red "coil" icon. I can not agree more that the mapping software needed to condition the battery is clunky and painful. I hope Hyundai gives us updates in the future to improve this or give us the ability to condition based on CarPlay/Android routing.
Glad you captured the biggest frustration with Ioniq 5 owners such as myself. It has some state of the art tech such as 800v architecture but there's essentially no OTA updates. Pretty sad. Other than that though, love the car.
Thanks for the shoutout! Glad to see it was working well on Zach's Ioniq 5. Like myself, he also has a snowflake instead of the little red heating coil that many other owners are getting. Both mean that battery preconditioning is running though so no need to worry.
That's not what "bricked" means. If the car were "bricked", it would be completely unresponsive and unusable. It goes back to the days of smartphones where loading the wrong rom could leave the phone "bricked", or as useful as a phone as a brick. This is a bug.
The correct term is nobbled not bricked. Nobbled comes from horse racing where you do something to the horse that makes it run slow such as drugging or obstructing it's breathing.
Thanks Kyle for demonstrating that it works. I had the update done on my I5 last week and was able to turn on the preconditioning in a test (although I get a glowing red loop of wire rather than the snowflake on my charge indicator) but immediately turned it off as I didn't need to charge. I have a road trip in a few days that should be above freezing but cold enough to test the charging speed improvement.
@@mhsohel47 that is very logical. A lot of owners are vert new to EV's. Hyundai doesnt want to risk them getting stuck with empty battery. I guarentee you with empty battery charging will not be fast.
My I5 is a US SE AWD purchased in April 2022. The preconditioning worked great on my road trip this weekend . My charging speed tripled over what I got on a previous trip at a similar outside temperature.
My father purchased an IONIQ 5 at my suggestion, having watched Technology Connections and other RUclips videos. (It's a 2023 RWD so it came factory-standard with preconditioning.) He's taken it on three road trips now (two with me) and we love the car. It's roomy, very well designed, drives well, charges well. Many reviewers are calling it "the perfect car". And I think it's close to perfect... but the software is an achilles heel. Hyundai seems to be way behind everyone else in software design, especially when it comes to EV features. The trip planning in the car is very rudimentary, has poor awareness of charging speed and no awareness of stall availability. And preconditioning performs as you see here, along with the lack of over-the-air updates. If Hyundai can get better at EV software, they can dominate the market.
That’s why they’re so angry about the tax credit situation. They’ve put so much into quality electric cars and they were put out with no notice. Hopefully they can overcome it
Nah, most modern cars (ev's are no exception) have pretty naff software. We are getting to the point where we need some kind of industry standard for car operating system.
Only Tesla is close to perfect. Hyundai makes great cars. Tesla makes next gen cars. The whole "software defined vehicle" which every automaker is now taking super seriously, was basically first done by Tesla. Which includes super deep SW integration.
@archie can't disagree more... i don't think tesla is close to perfect software they are ahead yes but I don't think the car design is close... they need a proper redesign imho
@@zeydallahoum it's going to take time. PC OS took it's sweet time to get to where it is, and lord knows how bad Android and iPhone OS was in the early days. However it is going to take longer if every single manufacturer goes their own way.. Whilst the likes of Volvo, Polestar and I think Renault have opted for Google Automotive, the industry is still too fragmented
Thank you for finally doing a test with E-GMP cars. It's been almost a year since you (and over a year since Bjørn) did videos in an EV6 or Ioniq 5. Please do more videos with E-GMP cars. Their 800 V architecture is really an understated advantage. You definitely don't have to worry about 200 A cables with this car. 200 A at 750 V would provide 150 kW.
I have the EU update, which is of course also available for RWD. You often have to hack the system on the autobahn by entering the wrong, nearer station. Otherwise, with the restrictive 20% at destination minimum regulations, it sometimes doesn't precondition at all.
To my understanding OTA's that messes with vital component of the car, such as the bms, cannot be done due to regulations in certain states. BTW I bought my ev6 gt-line in late October and it came with the preconditioned from factory. Also preconditioned works at any distance, the parameter is mostly if the SoC is above 26% and it is below 70f outside. I went to the EA charger that is 2 miles away when it was 47f degrees and the preconditioned started.
Very glad to see this upgrade for battery preconditioning! Hope Hyundai ups its game with OTA updates in the near future. The ECO glitch is weird. One thing I wonder: how did your friend put that dent in the upper panel of the driver door? Hmmm.
I wouldn't call "Eco Mode" bricked. Yes, the update adversely affected it's performance, but the car still drives. Having said that, I've done one update to my EV6 and am holding off any further updates until Kia/Hyundai gets their act together on their updates for the EGMP platform.
To select charger, go to navigation (not maps), select chargers and car will show you the nearest one. Simply select one you want and it will set it as the destination.
A few observations from my 2023 ioniq5. My battery preconditioning symbol is different, It's a little red heater symbol not a snowflake. Also Eco mode is even slower if you're in ipedal for me. I ran a 0 to 60 and a quarter mile test checking that on my channel. Also did a video showing the preconditioning but that wasn't the main focus of the other video, The focus on the other video was my car was unable to charge on a 500 volt max charger! The E-GMPs are supposed to have some magic that matches voltage but it didn't work
In general, 2023s have a heater coil icon while 2022s have a snowflake. Maybe this is done to differentiate which cars had the preconditioning feature from the factory.
I drove my AWD EV6 from north of Baltimore to Richmond VA EA Chargers this weekend. Even with near 50-55 degree weather, it never went north of 150 on a 350 charger. It was colder on my way back, around 40 degrees and stayed at 40kwh for most of the charge on a 350 unit. I unplugged and went to a 150 kw charger and it also sat at 40 kwh for a while before finally starting to bounce off of 150 kwh for moments. I have to imagine Kia will have this update soon as well for AWD EV6. I believe it's already out in the EU.
I drove my Wind AWD from Scranton PA to Denver Colorado in the cold. Horrible cold weather charging. Some stops I only peaked at 125 kW as I crossed Iowa and Nebraska in 10 degree F weather. I noticed that any temperature below like 40 really impacts the charging speed. Kia dealerships haven’t said there’s a cold weather update beyond winter mode. And winter mode is crap in my opinion.
Awesome! Great to see. I just got my update and wanted to share 2 things. First, the update should be for free. I didn't pay anything either! My dealer told me it's a free service update! Don't pay anything! Also the car needs to be on the latest software update for the nav system. I've heard of at least one driver on Facebook that didn't get the nav software update from the dealer and had to do it themselves at home to actually get it working. Also, no need to scroll on the nav system to try and find the charger. Push the "search nearby stations" button in the right lower corner of the nav system and select a DC station. Way easier! Alternatively search along route or vicinity of destination to put a DC station as destination.
Great video! and thankfully the outcome was positive. I have always found eco-mode to be really tortoise-like, so gave up on that very early on (Had my I5 since beginning of March '22). I had the dealership here in Iceland download the update in (which, btw they charged for) in time for me to do a road-trip to the north (300+ kms each way) with a POI on the way being a 250 charger. I navigated to the charger (about 117km) and about 20 mins. away from the charger the preconditioning started up and when I roll up to the charger and plugged in I got an instant 200+kw figure. Hardly any time to have my coffee and sandwich! This was in the beginning of November with air temperatures around 5-8°C Five stars for the preconditioning! Big minus for 'clunkiness'
Excellent Kyle..dont sweat the minor stuff (other than update screwing up eco mode). Hyundai fixed the issue in 1 year.. General Motors refuses to do something as basic as preconditioning for the Bolt. 3 years with the Bolt and looks like I need to go through one more winter of slow DCFC to get the $7500 rebate right at the dealer instead of tax credit that dose nothing for me because as arideshare drive our deductions dont leave much of a tax liability
I love how he is talking about how great and well built the car is @9:00 and in the background below the window you can see the elbow indent already "burned" into the door. :)
In our ‘23 SEL you have to navigate using the “POI” menu and “EV Charging Stations” and select one in the list to get it to precondition. If you put it in favorite places and navigate to your favorite it will not precondition! And in the ‘23 models it’s a red heat coil on the screen-not a snowflake in the lower left of the main screen. One more valuable note: you can apply filters in those POI charger database to quickly narrow to a specific electric charging network provider or charger type (e.g. EA stations only, level 2, DC fast etc.). But still hobbled by the “near me” or “near destination” search options. There is an “along route” search option BUT it will only give a handful of options and then stop loading. We can always get preconditioning going but it shouldn’t be this much work. Come on Hyundai!
I second this. POI + Filters = totally usable experience. I did a 7 hour road trip, had the internal nav set as my destination. It alerted me that I won't have enough battery and to select a charger on my route, with the filter set to only show the fastest chargers it showed one that I was a couple hours away from... Selected it, and went on my way. After that charger, I once again had the alert I won't have the range required, so I selected the next EA station 100 miles away. The built in nav isn't intuitive, but once you learn how it functions it's actually pretty good overall. Though I agree with the video that it'd be nice to just manually tell it how many miles/minutes I am from my charger to manually activate it.
This is how our Kona works. Never found it to be that big of a deal. The only thing that bugs me about it is how much faster it is without bluelink active. The “connected routing” really slows it down.
Just noticed that you live in the same town I do! It was fun to see you navigate to the Target DC Faster charger station that I also use. Too bad Electrify America can’t fix charger #4 - been broken for a while.
Having to go to the dealer for a software update blows. The steps you have to take just to get preconditioning to work is a bit of a hassle as well. This shows the difference between an automaker company versus a software company like Tesla. With the Tesla i don’t even have to think of out preconditioning on a road trip. The software just does it for me. But… it’s a starting ground for Hyundai. Hopefully they can perfect it.
I would love to see you guys do another EV race now that the Ioniq has preconditioning. I remember in the last one you did, the Ioniq barely came in second behind the Porsche, but it was very close with the third place car. I'd love to see how close the race would have been if the Ioniq guys didn't need to sit at the first couple charging stops getting only 40-70 kW in the cold.
Cabin-pre-heating will also heat the battery to 10 degree celcius. Conditioning starts earlier than 30 miles from charger (at least with my update). Maybe it‘s either 30 miles or 30 minutes depending on distance and estimated time of arrival. In my case I was driving on a german autobahn and it startet more than 30 miles before destination for sure. Charged from 20 to 90% in 26 minutes in 5 degrees celcius.
Hi Kyle, great to check out this newest update to the 2022, my 2023 Ionic 5 AWD Long Range (limited equivalent), mine draws 5.4KW on the battery precondition, have the same brick on the Eco mode, I put this car on that mode and just about was hit crossing an intersection. I am getting my CCS J1772 socket wiring harness replacement this Friday and will be checking the battery preconditioning mode for fast DC charging, to insure it works after the repair. I use the voice navigation prompt to "Navigate to the city" and use +waypoint and add chargers to quickly select the DC charger.
The easiest way to select a charger is via the POI list, there is an issue with some newer locations not being updated - but a workaround. I have a 23, but from what I’ve gathered the update is more than “enabling” the feature. They actually have to update the software across (I think) three control modules that are not part of the front facing OTA/USB update system
Happy to hear this is finally here. I have a '22 I5 AWD SE. Without the update I normally start charging around 40-70 kW and end up in the 120s-130s. Outdoor temps 30s-40s in January. Hoping to get faster once the update in applied.
Here in Scandinavia we have had the update for 3 months or so now and certainly on the EV6 and definitely no “ bricking” slowing down in Eco mode. Whether this is an ioniq5 thing or not I am not sure? But EV6 all fine. You can also put the charging stations in as waypoints whilst going to your final destination. This sort of works like a rudimentary route planning with charging and it will pre-condition the battery accordingly. Works great but just have to know how to do it correctly. Which to be honest Kia/Hyundai have not done a good job of explaining? Yes a manual override with a lower SOC would be soooooo much simpler. However I believe it is just a basic test bed currently with improvements a long the way🤞. Love the vids👍. Ps. The ioniq guy is a top man also when it comes to info on the E-GMP cars. 🙌
In Europe you get the battery preconditioning update also on RWD versions. You don't have to schedule an appointment, you can do it yourself with a USB stick. There is a menu option in the car where you can see exactly what power is going to the preheating.
To give Hyundai some credit, they are providing the battery preconditioning update to the early 2022 AWD models that did not come equipped with it. They’re doing it at no charge to owners. They were not obligated to do that. Also Eco mode does not completely disconnect the front motor. From a stop, even with very modest acceleration, the front drive wheels are engaged up to 12-15 mph. They’ll also engage if climbing a very steep grade at a steady speed. Anyway, I am scheduled to have the preconditioning update done next week along with the tire rotation. I am not too worried about the change in Eco mode. I am a slow poke.
Normally yes, if you roll on it hard in Eco, it will engage fronts again. But sounds like this update might be making it stay disconnected and not engage. If you look at the dash when he turns around and floors it, you can see NO power going to fronts... That is why it was so slow.
It's really crazy that you can't manually start preconditioning for many reasons. One is having to use their route 'planning' which is bad. I am in Canada where it's even colder and there are level 3 chargers not yet on maps. I have an Ioniq 5 on order but only due to receive at the beginning of autumn. I hope all is solved by then and that over the air updates are there.
Hyundai & Kia need to add ON/ OFF ability to manually control this feature and have a conditioning of 5, 10, 15, 30minute preconditioning setting without having to Navigate to a charger.
Really wish EVs had a manual temp control for the battery, so I could set it to maintain perfect temp constantly, especially when plugged in. This would have been so useful for my old LEAF which has a battery heater, but no way to activate it manually, let alone have it bring temp up to 70 degrees.
Kyle you are probably on to the next videos but 2 things..The more I think about this video the more I am convinced it is one of the most informative videos you guys ever put out. There are no excuses from EV Manufacturer for NOT allowing preheating of the battery. One of ther most hated things about the Chevy Bolt is the slow charging in summer let alone winter, what a huge opportunity for GM to addrss at least ther winter charging as it would just take a handful of software enguineers to add pre heating to the bolt. GM will never add a faster charging rate for the bolt 100kw-15kw , just wont happen as that will cannibalize the upcoming equinox sales. But they could at least address winter charging rate viza battery preheating. 2nd, Can you check they replays from my last 2 posts, I believe they are spam trying to get me to click on something
In Germany / Europe you can get the update for 2022 RWD ioniq 5 if you have ordered the heat pump. In the US the RWD was only sold without the heat pump, here it was an option you could order also with the RWD model.
In the UK, the heat pump and battery heater was a £1200 option on the top-spec Ultimate model. They should have been standard fit in a northern European country.
@@stephenholland5930 Yes, tried to figure it out. We have/had option packages. Dynamiq, techniq, and uniq The battery heater is in the cheapest dynamiq package. For the heater and an heat pump you had to choose the techniq package. In the uniq package you have nearly everything else, AR HUD except the relax seats. In my ioniq 5 rwd the precondition works great and I haven't the low power problem with eco mode. I wish they add an option for manual precondition, using the navigation every time sucks.
My post-July 2022 Kia EV6 in North America does have preconditioning. I navigated to my local EA last night and turned it right on. I plugged it into my 150 chargers (350's down), and it zoomed immediately up to 150 kW. Road trip the weekend before, I was getting unfavorable charging speeds without preconditioning.
i’m glad this battery heater update is available. but the whole process seems like a pain. i feel most people that aren’t informed will just get so frustrated with the slow charging. i was cross shopping this car but ended up with a tesla model 3. gald i did.
This is where Tesla pulled it off so well. A Tesla software update is like updating my laptop. It’ll be done fairly fast without extra steps. Imagine if we had to bring in say a iPhone to Apple every time a new iOS version came out
Tesla preconditions as you navigate to a charging station. Hot or cold it put it at the best temp for a very fast charge. I get 1,000 milers per hour at 250 kW Super Chargers on our model Y.
Just today, I made my first long distance trip (Indianapolis to Arlington, VA) after pre-conditioning update in my Ioniq5 . It reduced time at chargers by having a warm battery ready at arrival and after every 30 minute charge we left with about 90%. The map software is clunky but it could figure when to start the preconditioning and turn it off.
The idea that anyone would purchase a car in 2023 that needs to be taken to a dealership to receive a software update is beyond me. Consumer stupidity is the only thing keeping legacy auto alive.
I wish every car added a "precondition now" button. It wont be perfect, but even just heating the battery to 30 c would make a big difference in terms of cold fast charging performance.
The KIA EV6 GT now being delivered in the UK has this feature already operational as well and I agree it makes a big difference! I recently got 174kW right from the beginning of charging on a DC charger that was listed as 150kW! Eco mode is not slow on the GT incidentally.
i think hyundai/kia engineered their EVs a bit different from other manufacturers. Genesis might be different but it seems anything related to battery management, etc are engineered to be updated by a service technician using ECU firmware rather than everything on OTA/user infotainment updates. This is something they need to re-do on their future cars. They are one step backwards than the rest when it comes to software. Their cars however are so good with design and quality of EV cars.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. If it can't be updated over the air then they can't make negative changes to your vehicle without your consent. It's nice to be able to make a conscious decision to modify your vehicle instead of having to trust that the manufacturer won't unilaterally decide to do something you don't want done.
@@Thomas_Bannon I agree. Like see what Tesla did to old Model S cars. Taking away battery capacity and speed. It is my car and i decide what happens to it. Not Tesla HQ.or Hyundai HQ
At least Hyundai has made available battery preconditioning for earlier versions of Ioniq5 in the US. Kia is very quiet about releasing it in the US for EV6, while they released the update in certain European countries.
Great review/test of this new feature. I wish they would allow you to see the battery temp in menus. I have a Niro EV which I know is not even remotely in the same league for charging but it still is affected by battery temp. What is the program or app you’re using to see the battery temp?
Glad to see this option, living in Wyoming it is something I think is must have. And not to distract much from this needed upgrade but being a senior driver I hope there will be some of it used to keep the pack warm in cold so even if your just driving 100 miles and back home your range isn't killed by cold pack for the whole trip. I know you talk about speed bursting the vehicle to warm the pack before you trip, but it would be nice to see the system warm it up to say 50 degrees while your on the road especially in sub zero weather. And talking about old people and road trips. I have a great idea for a use of some of that federal money and this might only be in states with long distances between towns but I generally travel in daylight and need rest areas often so why not add solar panels to rest stops with some level 1 or maybe level 2 charging. Wouldn't need a battery system but just a day time setup. I take about 1 to 1.5 hours to rest and stretch. It wouldn't be much but 10 to 20 miles increase could be nice and even if I just used it to heat/cool the car while I nap would be a great deal. Thanks for all your great reviews I know my next vehicle will be electric without a doubt.
I like your idea for a pre-condition button. Car should know battery state of charge and button should be pressed 15 minutes or so before charging. Not too complicated.
This will cause lots of owners to use the system wrong and it might get them stranded.without juice. The best would be an option in the navigation that allows the user to tell the system the destination is a DC location. That way also new locations that arent in the POI list can be used to preconditioning to allow fast charge
Wow I can’t believe they took so long to add this. Polestar has their own issues but at least updates are OTA and we have preconditioning through the built in Google maps.
I have a 2023 RWD i5 (picked it up last Friday), but mine certainly is a LOT faster in Eco-mode than what you show here... (and yes, mine has the preconditioning straight from the factory)
This is what I thought watching and thinking about my MY23 RWD that I got a few weeks ago. My eco mode is actually pretty good but maybe I'm used to it being less snappy being a single motor.
@outofspecreviews got the preconditioning last week on a 22 limited. I don't think the eco problem is affecting me. Efficiency has improved. Yes, it's a tad bit slower but dangerous? Not for my limited. Maybe Hyundai already made an update. Would it be possible to test this with a limited. So far, all the complaints are coming from SEL'S I am so happy now because we had a serious cold snap in NY, and I was about to sell the car. Thanks for not forgetting IONIQ users.
I have a 2023 Niro EV top trim for 2 months with similar issues. It has a battery conditioning mode but its very clunky/awkward to activate, in fact despite many attempts I have yet to make it function. It really needs 2 things. A battery temp indicator on the display so I don't need to use an OBD dongle and a phone app, and a manual selector menu so I/ME can turn it on when I want to. Include auto cutoff when the Bat reaches optimum temp. BTW I got 82KW charge only once when the Bat was at 26C naturally, but normally never more that 42KW. Common Kia/Hyundai lets get on with it. Surely that cant take more than a few lines of code. Love the Ionic but cant get one up here in Canada, long list. Thanks for the review.
I have seen lots of videos and they all state that previously to this update Eco mode only disengages the front motor over about 15 MPH. Also one video claimed, and you might want to test this, is that if you uncheck the preconditioning selection when not using that it actually improves that mode.
30 is the number at 32F, not 10 not 11, thou shalt preheat for 30 minutes.....Monty python rules. Excellent video, I sent a letter to Kia a year + ago and my rough calcs indicated this kind of heating requirements. I am chuffed. There are several ways of implementing this, but at that time I also said at least a manual button please. It is weird that a lay engineer can imagine a system better than can a massive car company. It is also weird they didn't include it from the get go. The crap initial design must have cost their reputation enormously.
Maybe they should just do the manual button with 3 options.. Start Precondition ASAP, 30-45 minutes, 45-60 minutes. Then it could ramp up the battery heater depending on how much time you are estimating. Also I don't find Eco mode is of any use anyway. Just yesterday did a 210 miles round trip, drove 105 miles there in Eco and 105 Back in Normal just to test both modes. Identical conditions both ways, 68-72mph, 45-48F with light rain. Exact same results, 3.0 Miles/Kwh there and back. 2022 SE AWD with out the pre-conditioning update.
You will notice the difference furing city driving. Normal highway cruise wont make a difference because normal mode will shut down the front motor anyway when cruising..
My take on the pre-conditioning - so glad to have it, but it so cumbersome to activate it. Hopefully they will add a simple manual pre-conditioning button down the line.
It seems like to me that SEL models the preconditioning symbol/icon is a snowflake and the Limited which I have is the heating coil. And I do agree the eco mode is absolutely unusable. You have to floor the pedal to even accelerate. I never use it so I did it anyway but its completely unusable
I don't own an EV yet, but I follow the industry some. Is there any possibility that Google/Apple could add an electric car API that would enable automakers to pass vehicle information and route information back and forth through Android Auto and Apple Carplay? A big downside in my opinion is being forced to use in-car nav. Additionally, while I think a manual trigger for preconditioning should be included, it would be nice if Android Auto and Apple carplay had the ability to speak to the car to trigger preconditioning based on navigation from AA and ACP.
Excellent video and good improvement for all 2022 ioniq 5 AWD. BUT what happened to all 2022 Ioniq 5 RWD? Well, they were not so lucky. I think that Hyundai messed up his first dedicated E-GMP, just deciding to include the battery preconditioning for only the 2022 AWD and leaving outside the RWD. and on top of that, the 2022 AWD had to wait for a software update to enable this feature. what was the reason to do it that way? I don't know. maybe to cut costs production. Fortunately, all trim levels for 2023 come with battery preconditioning. but still remains some obstacles with the navigation system and selecting a DC charging station where not all the time arrives with the proper battery temperature. Hyundai should keep working to really improve this segment.
My next car (Smart #1 Brabus) has a battery heater however it uses the power from the charger rather than before you get there. 66kw battery 150kw DC 10-80% 30 minutes. 22kw AC. 0-100% 3hr.
I'd like to see you leave the car out overnight and not charge it, then select a charger more than 30 miles away, then drive to the charger and let the car turn on the preconditioning as you get close. That way we could see what it would be like for someone traveling to a charger with a cold battery to see if it gets warm enough by the time you get there.
Good idea. There is an EA about two miles from my home, and the next closest is ~ 100 miles away. I charge at home on L2, so EA is relevant to me only on road trips.
Also, do it like a normal person would. Precondition cab for 10-15min, hop in, drive 10-15min to the nearest charger, blast it. If this doesn't get it to the point to accept 200kw then, THAT is what they need to achieve for mass adoption to ever happen.
I did it with mine. Left it for 2 days in Lake Tahoe. Below 30F. I then drove back to so cal with my first charge stop in Bridgeport. Preconditioning turned on about 40 minutes out from the charger. Plugged in and immediately got 190kw.
It’s been confirmed that you don’t need to be even actively driving, just set the destination and you can leave it in your garage.
But my god does that user experience need work…
Apparently Tesla determines when to start heating the battery so that it will be warm when you reach the charger.
Completely agree that it needs a manual precondition option. You'll only forget to activate it once... 😀
I totally disagree! All you’re doing is setting destination, set it and go! Seems pretty easy, not rocket science.
Take a modern EV into a dealer for updates? What is this, 2010?
Musk, have a Leagh off the wreck!
Ikr. Third world problems...
you will visit the dealer AND LIKE IT...!!!
Honestly I prefer it to automatic updates. Unpopular opinion, I know, but it means that the car isn't constantly talking to Hyundai and the cybersecurity nerd that's in me is happier that way.
Usually you can update Hyundais by yourself with an SD card and a computer, don't know about the ioniq specifically but it works with my tucson
Electric cars have so many weird problems, heck Toyota wheels where just falling right off. (I’m kidding.)
I have a '23 AWD that came with the battery pre-conditioning. ECO mode was always very slow, I don't use it very much but I wouldn't call it bricked, I always just assumed that minimizing energy use meant you sacrifice acceleration.
Exactly, if you do lots of accelerations, I guess it would save some energy. In real world I doubt you would save much energy compared to normal mode, maybe it's worth testing in city 😀
The old (better) eco mode would still limit acceleration, but when you really pressed on the pedal it would still give you safe, usable acceleration in a passing/emergency situation. The new mode won’t. It’s not safe. Hyundai seems to agree.
@@59317 I totally get that not having the acceleration there for you when you used to have it is not safe but those of us '23 owners never knew any difference so we used it when we wanted that extreme efficiency. For me, the ability to switch drive mode so quickly, (drop the left thumb), means you can get out of any situation you need to quite quickly. I disagree with Kyle's assertion that this bricks the ECO mode. Its all in how you use it.
Great demonstration of how important this feature is. Apparently the latest BMW i4 M50's coming off the production line finally have a manual precondition the battery function. So at least the feedback you and others have been sending is getting through to these manufacturers.
Will lower models like the edrive40 get this feature?
@@Foxtrot2312 i would assume so but i haven't seen any eDrive40 owners say they got it.
Where did you find this information?
@@jeppewerring i4talk. Some owners of brand new i4s have shared they have the feature.
I pulled 249kW's (40˚F outside) this past weekend with my 2023 SEL, after pre-conditioning -- the feeling was incredible. Mine does not display a snowflake but a curly, red "coil" icon. I can not agree more that the mapping software needed to condition the battery is clunky and painful. I hope Hyundai gives us updates in the future to improve this or give us the ability to condition based on CarPlay/Android routing.
Glad you captured the biggest frustration with Ioniq 5 owners such as myself. It has some state of the art tech such as 800v architecture but there's essentially no OTA updates. Pretty sad. Other than that though, love the car.
Thanks for the shoutout! Glad to see it was working well on Zach's Ioniq 5. Like myself, he also has a snowflake instead of the little red heating coil that many other owners are getting. Both mean that battery preconditioning is running though so no need to worry.
Snowflake is for MY 2021 the red coil is for MY 2022 and beyond
@@olafoudgenoeg2679 My 2022 has a snowflake. I took a poll of my audience and many 2022 owners have a snowflake as well.
@@TheIoniqGuy are you sure it is a MY 2022? As MY 2021 was produced and sold well into 2022
@@olafoudgenoeg2679 yes, the United States never received a 2021 model year of Ioniq 5
I just had mine updated today. It's a MY 2022 that was purchased at the end of July, and it shows the red coil when the preconditioning activated.
That's not what "bricked" means. If the car were "bricked", it would be completely unresponsive and unusable. It goes back to the days of smartphones where loading the wrong rom could leave the phone "bricked", or as useful as a phone as a brick. This is a bug.
The correct term is nobbled not bricked. Nobbled comes from horse racing where you do something to the horse that makes it run slow such as drugging or obstructing it's breathing.
Thanks Kyle for demonstrating that it works. I had the update done on my I5 last week and was able to turn on the preconditioning in a test (although I get a glowing red loop of wire rather than the snowflake on my charge indicator) but immediately turned it off as I didn't need to charge. I have a road trip in a few days that should be above freezing but cold enough to test the charging speed improvement.
Its work is only above 20% disappointed
The 2021 model years get the snow flake symbol inside the battery soc icon. The 2022 and later models get the red coil.
@@mhsohel47 that is very logical. A lot of owners are vert new to EV's. Hyundai doesnt want to risk them getting stuck with empty battery. I guarentee you with empty battery charging will not be fast.
@@olafoudgenoeg2679 above 10% would not hurt
My I5 is a US SE AWD purchased in April 2022. The preconditioning worked great on my road trip this weekend . My charging speed tripled over what I got on a previous trip at a similar outside temperature.
Loved seeing the "bricked" eco mode still accelerate faster than my current hybrid 😆
Yeah! Slow in comparison to a Tesla, not my stick shift Subaru Forester…
I'd love to see more Ioniq 5 content, one of my favorite EVs.
Wish they would release it for my EV6!!! It's been so cold in CO for the last couple of months it kills charging time.
Same here. Would love to see battery preconditioning for my '22 EV6. Might be a while though :(
i thought EV6 manufactered before July 2022 had "Winter Mode". Mine has pre-condition because it was after July 2022.
@@Visualhead_Spacer Winter Mode doesn't condition the battery for charging, just keeps it from getting too cold.
@@ryanfaircloth5562 in 2 winters with my EV6, I have yet to see winter mode do anything
The permanent elbow dent in the door trim is awesome, cant stop looking at it
I see it too, now that you mention it. I've never driven any vehicle with my arm resting on the bottom of the window frame.
My father purchased an IONIQ 5 at my suggestion, having watched Technology Connections and other RUclips videos. (It's a 2023 RWD so it came factory-standard with preconditioning.) He's taken it on three road trips now (two with me) and we love the car. It's roomy, very well designed, drives well, charges well. Many reviewers are calling it "the perfect car". And I think it's close to perfect... but the software is an achilles heel. Hyundai seems to be way behind everyone else in software design, especially when it comes to EV features. The trip planning in the car is very rudimentary, has poor awareness of charging speed and no awareness of stall availability. And preconditioning performs as you see here, along with the lack of over-the-air updates.
If Hyundai can get better at EV software, they can dominate the market.
That’s why they’re so angry about the tax credit situation. They’ve put so much into quality electric cars and they were put out with no notice. Hopefully they can overcome it
Nah, most modern cars (ev's are no exception) have pretty naff software. We are getting to the point where we need some kind of industry standard for car operating system.
Only Tesla is close to perfect. Hyundai makes great cars. Tesla makes next gen cars. The whole "software defined vehicle" which every automaker is now taking super seriously, was basically first done by Tesla. Which includes super deep SW integration.
@archie can't disagree more... i don't think tesla is close to perfect software they are ahead yes but I don't think the car design is close... they need a proper redesign imho
@@zeydallahoum it's going to take time. PC OS took it's sweet time to get to where it is, and lord knows how bad Android and iPhone OS was in the early days.
However it is going to take longer if every single manufacturer goes their own way.. Whilst the likes of Volvo, Polestar and I think Renault have opted for Google Automotive, the industry is still too fragmented
I love how energetic your delivery is. Very informative and Entertaining.
Thank you for finally doing a test with E-GMP cars. It's been almost a year since you (and over a year since Bjørn) did videos in an EV6 or Ioniq 5. Please do more videos with E-GMP cars. Their 800 V architecture is really an understated advantage. You definitely don't have to worry about 200 A cables with this car. 200 A at 750 V would provide 150 kW.
I have the EU update, which is of course also available for RWD. You often have to hack the system on the autobahn by entering the wrong, nearer station. Otherwise, with the restrictive 20% at destination minimum regulations, it sometimes doesn't precondition at all.
To my understanding OTA's that messes with vital component of the car, such as the bms, cannot be done due to regulations in certain states. BTW I bought my ev6 gt-line in late October and it came with the preconditioned from factory. Also preconditioned works at any distance, the parameter is mostly if the SoC is above 26% and it is below 70f outside. I went to the EA charger that is 2 miles away when it was 47f degrees and the preconditioned started.
Very glad to see this upgrade for battery preconditioning! Hope Hyundai ups its game with OTA updates in the near future. The ECO glitch is weird. One thing I wonder: how did your friend put that dent in the upper panel of the driver door? Hmmm.
Great to hear about all this!!
I wouldn't call "Eco Mode" bricked. Yes, the update adversely affected it's performance, but the car still drives. Having said that, I've done one update to my EV6 and am holding off any further updates until Kia/Hyundai gets their act together on their updates for the EGMP platform.
To select charger, go to navigation (not maps), select chargers and car will show you the nearest one. Simply select one you want and it will set it as the destination.
Yes, it was very clunky what Kyle did.
A few observations from my 2023 ioniq5. My battery preconditioning symbol is different, It's a little red heater symbol not a snowflake. Also Eco mode is even slower if you're in ipedal for me. I ran a 0 to 60 and a quarter mile test checking that on my channel. Also did a video showing the preconditioning but that wasn't the main focus of the other video, The focus on the other video was my car was unable to charge on a 500 volt max charger! The E-GMPs are supposed to have some magic that matches voltage but it didn't work
In general, 2023s have a heater coil icon while 2022s have a snowflake. Maybe this is done to differentiate which cars had the preconditioning feature from the factory.
Thanks for this video. Just waiting on the EV6 update now........
I drove my AWD EV6 from north of Baltimore to Richmond VA EA Chargers this weekend. Even with near 50-55 degree weather, it never went north of 150 on a 350 charger. It was colder on my way back, around 40 degrees and stayed at 40kwh for most of the charge on a 350 unit. I unplugged and went to a 150 kw charger and it also sat at 40 kwh for a while before finally starting to bounce off of 150 kwh for moments. I have to imagine Kia will have this update soon as well for AWD EV6. I believe it's already out in the EU.
It's out in the EU. I got it installed in my MY22 EV6 GT-Line a month ago.
I drove my Wind AWD from Scranton PA to Denver Colorado in the cold. Horrible cold weather charging. Some stops I only peaked at 125 kW as I crossed Iowa and Nebraska in 10 degree F weather. I noticed that any temperature below like 40 really impacts the charging speed.
Kia dealerships haven’t said there’s a cold weather update beyond winter mode. And winter mode is crap in my opinion.
you could select the location from POI categories EV and set the charger as destination and its much faster.
For CarScanner use the [BMS] Battery Heater 1 Temperature sensor. I use this with my EV6 and the heater temp will climb to 40C.
Awesome! Great to see. I just got my update and wanted to share 2 things. First, the update should be for free. I didn't pay anything either! My dealer told me it's a free service update! Don't pay anything! Also the car needs to be on the latest software update for the nav system. I've heard of at least one driver on Facebook that didn't get the nav software update from the dealer and had to do it themselves at home to actually get it working. Also, no need to scroll on the nav system to try and find the charger. Push the "search nearby stations" button in the right lower corner of the nav system and select a DC station. Way easier! Alternatively search along route or vicinity of destination to put a DC station as destination.
Great video! and thankfully the outcome was positive. I have always found eco-mode to be really tortoise-like, so gave up on that very early on (Had my I5 since beginning of March '22). I had the dealership here in Iceland download the update in (which, btw they charged for) in time for me to do a road-trip to the north (300+ kms each way) with a POI on the way being a 250 charger. I navigated to the charger (about 117km) and about 20 mins. away from the charger the preconditioning started up and when I roll up to the charger and plugged in I got an instant 200+kw figure. Hardly any time to have my coffee and sandwich! This was in the beginning of November with air temperatures around 5-8°C Five stars for the preconditioning! Big minus for 'clunkiness'
Please do ALL the cold weather testing. Find out where it breaks, it’s great content
Excellent Kyle..dont sweat the minor stuff (other than update screwing up eco mode). Hyundai fixed the issue in 1 year.. General Motors refuses to do something as basic as preconditioning for the Bolt. 3 years with the Bolt and looks like I need to go through one more winter of slow DCFC to get the $7500 rebate right at the dealer instead of tax credit that dose nothing for me because as arideshare drive our deductions dont leave much of a tax liability
I love how he is talking about how great and well built the car is @9:00 and in the background below the window you can see the elbow indent already "burned" into the door. :)
I was thinking the same thing! 🤣
I have a 2022. That dent never goes away
Far better built than a Tesla and VW. It's soft touch, what do you expect? Tesla owner here.
In our ‘23 SEL you have to navigate using the “POI” menu and “EV Charging Stations” and select one in the list to get it to precondition. If you put it in favorite places and navigate to your favorite it will not precondition! And in the ‘23 models it’s a red heat coil on the screen-not a snowflake in the lower left of the main screen. One more valuable note: you can apply filters in those POI charger database to quickly narrow to a specific electric charging network provider or charger type (e.g. EA stations only, level 2, DC fast etc.). But still hobbled by the “near me” or “near destination” search options. There is an “along route” search option BUT it will only give a handful of options and then stop loading. We can always get preconditioning going but it shouldn’t be this much work. Come on Hyundai!
I second this. POI + Filters = totally usable experience.
I did a 7 hour road trip, had the internal nav set as my destination. It alerted me that I won't have enough battery and to select a charger on my route, with the filter set to only show the fastest chargers it showed one that I was a couple hours away from... Selected it, and went on my way. After that charger, I once again had the alert I won't have the range required, so I selected the next EA station 100 miles away.
The built in nav isn't intuitive, but once you learn how it functions it's actually pretty good overall. Though I agree with the video that it'd be nice to just manually tell it how many miles/minutes I am from my charger to manually activate it.
This is how our Kona works. Never found it to be that big of a deal. The only thing that bugs me about it is how much faster it is without bluelink active. The “connected routing” really slows it down.
I bet eco mode has a power limit from the battery but preconditioning uses a large portion of that
Just noticed that you live in the same town I do! It was fun to see you navigate to the Target DC Faster charger station that I also use. Too bad Electrify America can’t fix charger #4 - been broken for a while.
Having to go to the dealer for a software update blows. The steps you have to take just to get preconditioning to work is a bit of a hassle as well. This shows the difference between an automaker company versus a software company like Tesla. With the Tesla i don’t even have to think of out preconditioning on a road trip. The software just does it for me. But… it’s a starting ground for Hyundai. Hopefully they can perfect it.
Isn't that the point of eco mode? Nerf the power output so you get the best range?
I would love to see you guys do another EV race now that the Ioniq has preconditioning. I remember in the last one you did, the Ioniq barely came in second behind the Porsche, but it was very close with the third place car. I'd love to see how close the race would have been if the Ioniq guys didn't need to sit at the first couple charging stops getting only 40-70 kW in the cold.
Agree on this.
Cabin-pre-heating will also heat the battery to 10 degree celcius. Conditioning starts earlier than 30 miles from charger (at least with my update). Maybe it‘s either 30 miles or 30 minutes depending on distance and estimated time of arrival. In my case I was driving on a german autobahn and it startet more than 30 miles before destination for sure. Charged from 20 to 90% in 26 minutes in 5 degrees celcius.
Hi Kyle, great to check out this newest update to the 2022, my 2023 Ionic 5 AWD Long Range (limited equivalent), mine draws 5.4KW on the battery precondition, have the same brick on the Eco mode, I put this car on that mode and just about was hit crossing an intersection. I am getting my CCS J1772 socket wiring harness replacement this Friday and will be checking the battery preconditioning mode for fast DC charging, to insure it works after the repair. I use the voice navigation prompt to "Navigate to the city" and use +waypoint and add chargers to quickly select the DC charger.
The easiest way to select a charger is via the POI list, there is an issue with some newer locations not being updated - but a workaround. I have a 23, but from what I’ve gathered the update is more than “enabling” the feature. They actually have to update the software across (I think) three control modules that are not part of the front facing OTA/USB update system
Happy to hear this is finally here. I have a '22 I5 AWD SE. Without the update I normally start charging around 40-70 kW and end up in the 120s-130s. Outdoor temps 30s-40s in January. Hoping to get faster once the update in applied.
Here in Scandinavia we have had the update for 3 months or so now and certainly on the EV6 and definitely no “ bricking” slowing down in Eco mode. Whether this is an ioniq5 thing or not I am not sure? But EV6 all fine. You can also put the charging stations in as waypoints whilst going to your final destination. This sort of works like a rudimentary route planning with charging and it will pre-condition the battery accordingly. Works great but just have to know how to do it correctly. Which to be honest Kia/Hyundai have not done a good job of explaining? Yes a manual override with a lower SOC would be soooooo much simpler. However I believe it is just a basic test bed currently with improvements a long the way🤞. Love the vids👍. Ps. The ioniq guy is a top man also when it comes to info on the E-GMP cars. 🙌
In Europe you get the battery preconditioning update also on RWD versions. You don't have to schedule an appointment, you can do it yourself with a USB stick. There is a menu option in the car where you can see exactly what power is going to the preheating.
Seems like that's about as fast as I accelerate! Seems sensible to make it slower for eco mode to me anyway.
My Taycon likes 93ﾟF. Totally agree with needing a manual upgrade to heat the battery.
Preconditioning should be standard for all EV’s
It's just common sense for cars in colder regions like Northern Europe.
To give Hyundai some credit, they are providing the battery preconditioning update to the early 2022 AWD models that did not come equipped with it. They’re doing it at no charge to owners. They were not obligated to do that. Also Eco mode does not completely disconnect the front motor. From a stop, even with very modest acceleration, the front drive wheels are engaged up to 12-15 mph. They’ll also engage if climbing a very steep grade at a steady speed. Anyway, I am scheduled to have the preconditioning update done next week along with the tire rotation. I am not too worried about the change in Eco mode. I am a slow poke.
Normally yes, if you roll on it hard in Eco, it will engage fronts again. But sounds like this update might be making it stay disconnected and not engage. If you look at the dash when he turns around and floors it, you can see NO power going to fronts... That is why it was so slow.
Yes I want more test on coldest temperatures. Great video !
You can find the charging stations in the NAV/POi section, not browse around the map...
Yes, thought Kyle would have known that.
Kyle. I’m blown away. My GV60, preconditioned gets a whopping 66kW @ 39 degrees. I have never topped 175kW and that was in the summer
It's really crazy that you can't manually start preconditioning for many reasons. One is having to use their route 'planning' which is bad. I am in Canada where it's even colder and there are level 3 chargers not yet on maps. I have an Ioniq 5 on order but only due to receive at the beginning of autumn. I hope all is solved by then and that over the air updates are there.
There are OTA for the navigation and entertainment just not for the driving systems. The IQ6 will have that
Hyundai & Kia need to add ON/ OFF ability to manually control this feature and have a conditioning of 5, 10, 15, 30minute preconditioning setting without having to Navigate to a charger.
Haircut ✔️ Beard trim ☑️. Another great video - glad I bought a Tesla.
Really wish EVs had a manual temp control for the battery, so I could set it to maintain perfect temp constantly, especially when plugged in. This would have been so useful for my old LEAF which has a battery heater, but no way to activate it manually, let alone have it bring temp up to 70 degrees.
Would definitely like to see a cold weather test to see if 30 miles is enough time!
@telegraOutofspecreviews you need to get a life
Kyle you are probably on to the next videos but 2 things..The more I think about this video the more I am convinced it is one of the most informative videos you guys ever put out. There are no excuses from EV Manufacturer for NOT allowing preheating of the battery. One of ther most hated things about the Chevy Bolt is the slow charging in summer let alone winter, what a huge opportunity for GM to addrss at least ther winter charging as it would just take a handful of software enguineers to add pre heating to the bolt.
GM will never add a faster charging rate for the bolt 100kw-15kw , just wont happen as that will cannibalize the upcoming equinox sales. But they could at least address winter charging rate viza battery preheating.
2nd, Can you check they replays from my last 2 posts, I believe they are spam trying to get me to click on something
In Germany / Europe you can get the update for 2022 RWD ioniq 5 if you have ordered the heat pump.
In the US the RWD was only sold without the heat pump, here it was an option you could order also with the RWD model.
In the UK, the heat pump and battery heater was a £1200 option on the top-spec Ultimate model. They should have been standard fit in a northern European country.
@@stephenholland5930
Yes, tried to figure it out.
We have/had option packages.
Dynamiq, techniq, and uniq
The battery heater is in the cheapest dynamiq package.
For the heater and an heat pump you had to choose the techniq package.
In the uniq package you have nearly everything else, AR HUD except the relax seats.
In my ioniq 5 rwd the precondition works great and I haven't the low power problem with eco mode.
I wish they add an option for manual precondition, using the navigation every time sucks.
I feel you are using the term Brick wrong. Brick means does not work. Looks to me they went full echo mode. Very slow acceleration is certainly echo.
My post-July 2022 Kia EV6 in North America does have preconditioning. I navigated to my local EA last night and turned it right on. I plugged it into my 150 chargers (350's down), and it zoomed immediately up to 150 kW. Road trip the weekend before, I was getting unfavorable charging speeds without preconditioning.
i’m glad this battery heater update is available. but the whole process seems like a pain. i feel most people that aren’t informed will just get so frustrated with the slow charging. i was cross shopping this car but ended up with a tesla model 3. gald i did.
You are not the only one that loves his Model 3. Me too.
This is where Tesla pulled it off so well. A Tesla software update is like updating my laptop. It’ll be done fairly fast without extra steps. Imagine if we had to bring in say a iPhone to Apple every time a new iOS version came out
The repair issue on the 2023 was not the Battery preconditioning but this brand new Ioniq 5 DC charging never worked.
Tesla preconditions as you navigate to a charging station. Hot or cold it put it at the best temp for a very fast charge. I get 1,000 milers per hour at 250 kW Super Chargers on our model Y.
The update is technically a recall according to the mechanic who did mine. Should not be charged.
Exactly. You've already paid for the hardware, the battery heater, but the software to actually use it wasn't supplied.
Correct.
Just today, I made my first long distance trip (Indianapolis to Arlington, VA) after pre-conditioning update in my Ioniq5 . It reduced time at chargers by having a warm battery ready at arrival and after every 30 minute charge we left with about 90%. The map software is clunky but it could figure when to start the preconditioning and turn it off.
The idea that anyone would purchase a car in 2023 that needs to be taken to a dealership to receive a software update is beyond me. Consumer stupidity is the only thing keeping legacy auto alive.
also it's not just a snowflake, some cars have a red coil along with the message.
I wish every car added a "precondition now" button. It wont be perfect, but even just heating the battery to 30 c would make a big difference in terms of cold fast charging performance.
The KIA EV6 GT now being delivered in the UK has this feature already operational as well and I agree it makes a big difference! I recently got 174kW right from the beginning of charging on a DC charger that was listed as 150kW!
Eco mode is not slow on the GT incidentally.
3:02 You can see on the dash, Eco mode shows it using the front motors, so it’s not disconnecting anything
i think hyundai/kia engineered their EVs a bit different from other manufacturers. Genesis might be different but it seems anything related to battery management, etc are engineered to be updated by a service technician using ECU firmware rather than everything on OTA/user infotainment updates. This is something they need to re-do on their future cars. They are one step backwards than the rest when it comes to software. Their cars however are so good with design and quality of EV cars.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. If it can't be updated over the air then they can't make negative changes to your vehicle without your consent. It's nice to be able to make a conscious decision to modify your vehicle instead of having to trust that the manufacturer won't unilaterally decide to do something you don't want done.
@@Thomas_Bannon nailed it.
IQ6 is fully OTA capable.
@@Thomas_Bannon I agree. Like see what Tesla did to old Model S cars. Taking away battery capacity and speed. It is my car and i decide what happens to it. Not Tesla HQ.or Hyundai HQ
At least Hyundai has made available battery preconditioning for earlier versions of Ioniq5 in the US. Kia is very quiet about releasing it in the US for EV6, while they released the update in certain European countries.
Yes, please test battery heating rate when the very cold weather comes again.
Great review/test of this new feature. I wish they would allow you to see the battery temp in menus. I have a Niro EV which I know is not even remotely in the same league for charging but it still is affected by battery temp.
What is the program or app you’re using to see the battery temp?
Glad to see this option, living in Wyoming it is something I think is must have. And not to distract much from this needed upgrade but being a senior driver I hope there will be some of it used to keep the pack warm in cold so even if your just driving 100 miles and back home your range isn't killed by cold pack for the whole trip. I know you talk about speed bursting the vehicle to warm the pack before you trip, but it would be nice to see the system warm it up to say 50 degrees while your on the road especially in sub zero weather. And talking about old people and road trips. I have a great idea for a use of some of that federal money and this might only be in states with long distances between towns but I generally travel in daylight and need rest areas often so why not add solar panels to rest stops with some level 1 or maybe level 2 charging. Wouldn't need a battery system but just a day time setup. I take about 1 to 1.5 hours to rest and stretch. It wouldn't be much but 10 to 20 miles increase could be nice and even if I just used it to heat/cool the car while I nap would be a great deal. Thanks for all your great reviews I know my next vehicle will be electric without a doubt.
@telegraOutofspecreviews.... not sure what a shortlist of winners dm is but cool
I like your idea for a pre-condition button. Car should know battery state of charge and button should be pressed 15 minutes or so before charging. Not too complicated.
This will cause lots of owners to use the system wrong and it might get them stranded.without juice. The best would be an option in the navigation that allows the user to tell the system the destination is a DC location. That way also new locations that arent in the POI list can be used to preconditioning to allow fast charge
Wow I can’t believe they took so long to add this. Polestar has their own issues but at least updates are OTA and we have preconditioning through the built in Google maps.
My only regret buying my 2022 RWD Ioniq 5 is that I didn't know it didn't have batt preconditioning and it does not have the hardware for it 😭
it needs special hardware for pre-conditioning? I always thought it was just a software setting that needed turning on
@rtfazeberdee3519 yes. The only north American model without the hardware are the RWD 2022 models, every other model has it, pretty unfortunate 🙃
@@rtfazeberdee3519 22 rwd doesn't have heat pumps.
Sounds like it’s time to upgrade then!
@@jlujan4 i thought you just needed a battery heater which was not dependent on a heat pump. Or is this just a manufacturer dependent "feature" ?
It seems the IQ5 models in europe dont have the eco mode problem when the pre conditioning update is installed.
I have a 2023 RWD i5 (picked it up last Friday), but mine certainly is a LOT faster in Eco-mode than what you show here... (and yes, mine has the preconditioning straight from the factory)
This is what I thought watching and thinking about my MY23 RWD that I got a few weeks ago. My eco mode is actually pretty good but maybe I'm used to it being less snappy being a single motor.
It may be limited to AWD models. I have a 23 limited AWD and eco mode is so slow it's dangerous in a city environment.
@outofspecreviews got the preconditioning last week on a 22 limited. I don't think the eco problem is affecting me. Efficiency has improved. Yes, it's a tad bit slower but dangerous? Not for my limited. Maybe Hyundai already made an update. Would it be possible to test this with a limited. So far, all the complaints are coming from SEL'S
I am so happy now because we had a serious cold snap in NY, and I was about to sell the car. Thanks for not forgetting IONIQ users.
I have a 2023 Niro EV top trim for 2 months with similar issues. It has a battery conditioning mode but its very clunky/awkward to activate, in fact despite many attempts I have yet to make it function. It really needs 2 things. A battery temp indicator on the display so I don't need to use an OBD dongle and a phone app, and a manual selector menu so I/ME can turn it on when I want to. Include auto cutoff when the Bat reaches optimum temp. BTW I got 82KW charge only once when the Bat was at 26C naturally, but normally never more that 42KW. Common Kia/Hyundai lets get on with it. Surely that cant take more than a few lines of code. Love the Ionic but cant get one up here in Canada, long list. Thanks for the review.
FYI
I have battery pre-con from factory for my Canadian RWD 2022 built in june.
I have seen lots of videos and they all state that previously to this update Eco mode only disengages the front motor over about 15 MPH. Also one video claimed, and you might want to test this, is that if you uncheck the preconditioning selection when not using that it actually improves that mode.
30 is the number at 32F, not 10 not 11, thou shalt preheat for 30 minutes.....Monty python rules. Excellent video, I sent a letter to Kia a year + ago and my rough calcs indicated this kind of heating requirements. I am chuffed. There are several ways of implementing this, but at that time I also said at least a manual button please. It is weird that a lay engineer can imagine a system better than can a massive car company. It is also weird they didn't include it from the get go. The crap initial design must have cost their reputation enormously.
Could battery inlet temperature be a sensor on the electrical connector? (Versus coolant input which is what I initially thought.)
Great video. Really helpful. The real world charging rates can be so different to manufacturers claims!
Seems very unhelpful with road trips if you have to stay above 20%?
Maybe they should just do the manual button with 3 options.. Start Precondition ASAP, 30-45 minutes, 45-60 minutes. Then it could ramp up the battery heater depending on how much time you are estimating. Also I don't find Eco mode is of any use anyway. Just yesterday did a 210 miles round trip, drove 105 miles there in Eco and 105 Back in Normal just to test both modes. Identical conditions both ways, 68-72mph, 45-48F with light rain. Exact same results, 3.0 Miles/Kwh there and back. 2022 SE AWD with out the pre-conditioning update.
You will notice the difference furing city driving. Normal highway cruise wont make a difference because normal mode will shut down the front motor anyway when cruising..
My take on the pre-conditioning - so glad to have it, but it so cumbersome to activate it. Hopefully they will add a simple manual pre-conditioning button down the line.
Insane you have to visit a dealer for that!
It seems like to me that SEL models the preconditioning symbol/icon is a snowflake and the Limited which I have is the heating coil. And I do agree the eco mode is absolutely unusable. You have to floor the pedal to even accelerate. I never use it so I did it anyway but its completely unusable
I have a 2023 SEL AWD. It shows the red coil for preconditioning.
Maybe it shows the coil if it's warming the battery, and the snowflake if it's cooling the battery, but both are technically preconditioning?
@@paulstanley2409 there goes that theory. Unless it’s 2022’s? Who knows
@@paulstanley2409 I don’t think so. In the video Kyle says it’s warming the battery and his shows a snowflake
I have a 2023 SE, least expensive version. It came with battery preconditioning without any of the bugaboos that the ‘22 updated ones seem to have.
I don't own an EV yet, but I follow the industry some.
Is there any possibility that Google/Apple could add an electric car API that would enable automakers to pass vehicle information and route information back and forth through Android Auto and Apple Carplay? A big downside in my opinion is being forced to use in-car nav. Additionally, while I think a manual trigger for preconditioning should be included, it would be nice if Android Auto and Apple carplay had the ability to speak to the car to trigger preconditioning based on navigation from AA and ACP.
GREAT REVIEW AS ALWAYS EXCELLENT PRESENTATION! HOPE YOU GET AN EV6 GT SOON AND LET IT RIP
That car doesn't have battery preconditioning either. :(
Excellent video and good improvement for all 2022 ioniq 5 AWD.
BUT what happened to all 2022 Ioniq 5 RWD? Well, they were not so lucky.
I think that Hyundai messed up his first dedicated E-GMP, just deciding to include the battery preconditioning for only the 2022 AWD and leaving outside the RWD.
and on top of that, the 2022 AWD had to wait for a software update to enable this feature.
what was the reason to do it that way? I don't know. maybe to cut costs production.
Fortunately, all trim levels for 2023 come with battery preconditioning.
but still remains some obstacles with the navigation system and selecting a DC charging station where not all the time arrives with the proper battery temperature.
Hyundai should keep working to really improve this segment.
My next car (Smart #1 Brabus) has a battery heater however it uses the power from the charger rather than before you get there. 66kw battery 150kw DC 10-80% 30 minutes. 22kw AC. 0-100% 3hr.
Those are very unique looking evs. Shame so far reviews have panned the handling ride and braking of the brabus edition though. 🤔
Hopefully the Ioniq 6 will have the same preconditioning functionality