Good explanation and and details about winter driving. I drive my 2022 I5 in full blown northern prairie winter here and would offer that it is much more efficient to lower your highway speed a few mph than sacrifice cabin heat. Reducing the drag of the vehicle through the extra dense cold winter air is way better than the relatively small saving you glean from the very efficient heat exchanger used for cabin heating. In my 10 year old Nissan Leaf this was a different story, but thankfully the I5 has a vastly superior heating system. Happy winter driving and keep up the great work!
@@TheIoniqGuy Unfortunately, all my long distance driving has ended now that we have shut down our lake cottage for the winter. Before that we were driving 200 km (125 mile) return trips nearly twice a week. We bought the long range RWD purposely to get the extra range
@@TheIoniqGuy Sorry, cut myself off! We sacrificed the AWD with better snow driving properties because we needed the extra range in the summer for the commutes the lake. So far, the RWD has been excellent in the snow, even than I had experienced last winter in the demo vehicle. Good winter tires on 18” rims makes a big difference. Surprisingly, the best driving mode for us seems to be ECO with IPedal. SNOW mode defaults the regen to 1, which requires manual braking and is not as effective as careful use of IPedal deceleration on ice or wet snow. I understand Hyundai’s logic with regen 1, as it keeps the wheels from locking up, but careful and practiced use of IPedal is far superior. As far as estimated range goes, I have never used 100% charge yet, and cannot give you numbers for the 80% charge on the highway at normal speeds. I know it would drop significantly from the same summer drives but am still confident we could complete the trip with plenty of spare energy. The charge times will be longer, I know, but the extra few minutes is not that important to us for these recreational trips. Also, I have yet to find a fast charger in our area that lives up to the stated charge speeds. Just the price we pay for still being on the leading edge of this EV revolution. It’s well worth it! Cheers, Mike L
@@mjloewen5798 Great info! I'm in Manitoba, looking at the Ionic 5 and your thoughts on the RWD model is interesting to me. The 2025 models get a bit more battery...maybe next year. There are days I drive 500-600 kms..not sure EVs are there yet for me.
My actions for more range in colder temperatures 1. Reduce autobahn speed to 80-100km/h (most effective method by far) 2. Use heated seats instead of A/C, generally just use barely enough heat 3. Use scheduled heating and charging via blue link app and heat up the car a few degrees more than you actually need while the car is plugged in to your home charger 4. Adapt regen level to driving situation (if you haven't learned how to do it already) 5. Tire pressure a tiny bit up (careful, this has a negative impact on grip and braking distance)
Great video... I live in Toronto Canada and I got my I5 Ultimate in February of last year. I've never used the battery warmer and although I have seen a significant range drop (35+%) and I've been down to 1%, 3km of range rolling into my driveway at night I'm extremely confident that my car will always get me home. I've driven in temperatures of -38C (wind chill of -46C) and the car has been flawless with an inside temperature of 68F on auto mode. Steering wheel and heated seats at level 1.
Thank you for posting your comment. i will be working at a hospital about 95 kilometers each way. They offer free charging. Do you think I have somethi g to worry about in these -35 temperatures? Thanks.
Using the heated seats, if you have a Limited, is a great way to save energy and still keep warm. Heated seats barely use energy as per the Electricity Usage screen
I did experience cold and driving up to mountains a few weeks ago. Especially from sea level to 7500 ft, in a short 115 miles, ( Phoenix to Flagstaff in high wind conditions too)eats your entire battery range, I even had 200 range to start, and still experienced anxiety with getting to a charger with 9 miles left. I learned to charge up!
@@TheIoniqGuy there is not a charging station from North Phoenix to Flagstaff AZ. Additionally I’ve done elevation changes with my Ioniq 5 AWD from Vegas to Flagstaff AZ (daughter in college there ) and I get battery to at least 200 to get me to Kingman 1st stop then charge to at least 200 miles range to then go 145 miles to the 7500 ft elevation in Flagstaff ( total drive is 270 miles ) , and still have 30 miles to spare but there is a station in Williams AZ which is 40 miles west of Flag if needing a charge. It’s now more colder temps there so I’m anxious to go with the Ioniq to get my daughter for her winter break due even potential lower battery ranges.
@@ronnelson06824 we did initially and battery used miles as listed on the vehicle. I was is stop go traffic into Phoenix that night so it only used like 65 miles due to regenerative breaking
Correct, but it’s much more noticeable on an EV because your efficiency in terms of converting energy into motion is almost 100% where a gas car is converting about 25% of its fuel into motion so a 30% drop is negligible on a gas car.
Thanks for the CAPS. It is more noticeable in EVs because (1) here are far fewer charging vs fuel stations, and of course, (2) the refuelling time in an EV is much longer.
Temperature affects the chemical reaction in batteries, so cold temperatures will affect EVs much more than ICE. Mountain climbers have big issues with electronic devices :]
Higher tire pressure gives you a more rounded tire profile cross section. This gives you less surface area between the tire and the road, decreasing friction. The drawback is that the tire will wear faster in the center portion and you will have reduced performance and safety. 4x4 drivers often reduce the tire pressure in snow to maximize traction.
This is a great video and it should be known that this is an issue with all current EVs. It's hardly an issue for those that are in year round warm climates or don't travel very far in the winter and can charge overnight at home.
Wind resistance goes up by a velocity cubed. For road trips, the much greater energy used to overcome wind resistance at high speed needs to be weighed against the time needed to recharge the car, more frequently at higher speed. Optimized overall trip time may require traveling at slower speeds. Certainly to extend range slow down. In winter its considerably safer to drive at slower speeds as kinetic energy is a function of velocity squared. Makes a big difference in traction going around corners, and stopping. Perhaps when we all drive evs on long road trips we will slow down a bit to optimize.
My driving habits have modified significantly since the purchase of an EV. No more heavy foot and enjoy the challenge of balancing time and distance and charging on long trips.
I 95 in Fairfield Connecticut has a 55 mph speed limit and that’s how fast I go in the slow lane - except when I’m in danger to others. I always drive the car in Eco. I have the rear Wheel drive SEL and The range a meter gesso meter showed me 359 miles all late spring - summer and through the fall. 55 miles versus 75 miles is an incredibly huge savings of electricity. Thank God I’m 61 years old and retired!!!!!
You learned real fast, slow down if you need more range in an EV, did you turn on your heated seats, they use minimal power compared to the car heater.
Thank you for this very topical. As far as weather I not only watch temperatures but prevailing winds. Range drops simply in the change over to winter tires. Speed is the range killer. As I see inanother post here use your seat heater instead of climate control (just read that piece today). The other new piece of information I picked up today was to lower the regen levels when cold (< -10 C?). A bit off topic but under slippery conditions use either snow mode or drop the regen to level 2, locking up will occur in level 3 if you are suddenly off of the throttle.
I have experienced exactly that myself in the past 2 weeks of fresh snow and ice. I guess this is why when Snow mode is selected the regen defaults to 1. Makes sense!
I had a stretch in Oregon on my recent trip where the temp drop along with the pouring rain and elevation just destroyed my range. Fortunately lots of charging ops on I-5 so it wasn’t a huge issue - just an extra stop. But definitely felt the lack of pre-conditioning even in fall weather until I hit California temps. Every stop in Oregon and Washington started with the snowflake. I never once either there or back reached over 180kw but some of that was EA because I should have all through California at ideal temps.
I have only put a little over 1400 miles on my 2022 limited 77.4kw, AWD vehicle. I live in northern NJ.. I am retired and normally drive about 50 to 60 miles when do errands using highways about 60% of the time. My driving scores for the past 4 weeks are 85, 88, 88, 87 being the last. Right now I have my car battery at 88% with a range of 249 miles. I charge to 90 %. Extrapolating that implies that if the battery was at 100% charge my range would be 285 miles. I have been averaging between 285 to just over 290 miles if fully charged. I am averaging between 3.7 kw to 3.9 kw. On the highway I normally drive between 65 to 68 mph. In town, I set the cruise at 3 mph above the speed limit. My question to The Ioniq guy is what are your weekly scores and what is your average Kw per mile? Today we had temperatures below 32, and right now it is sleeting. I expect a drop in cold weather and I will be monitoring my averages. I normally have the regenerative braking on I peddle. The car does have battery pre conditioning and so far I am not particularly happy with Electrify Americas charging speeds. I only have 150 kw chargers in my area. Does anyone know how long do you have the preconditioning running in 50 degree temperatures??? Btw, I also take friends for a drive when they ask about the car. As I am about to go on the ramp to the highway, I normally say you asked if the car is quick, then I say you are about to find out and even in Normal, I pin there heads to the back rest. That is normally when normally the cursing starts. 😃
Did you do the software update on ur ioniq 5? If you didn't don't do it they're saying that's the reason for the range loss in ioniq 5 after getting software update from dealer.
Stay below 65 miles/h and you get much better range. Here in Belgium, with the 72.6 kwh ioniq5, I was able to get 500km / 310 miles in summer with a single charge, and about 330km / 205 miles in winter with temperature below 50° F
6:00 You didn't turn on the heated seats full blast? That should have helped keep you warm even if the climate control was off. I'm surprised you didn't mention the heated seats or heated steering wheel at all in this video. Also you should have mentioned cabin climate control pre-heating when plugged in at home.
I try to put on my seat to high and my steering wheel to high….. I almost feel like my hands burned at three level heat???? I have a season pass at Mount Snow and it’s 160 miles and I have the 303 mile range vehicle. Driving at 70 mph from Fairfield Connecticut to Mount Snow Vermont, uphill, in the winter, heat on at 69° level one fan and my steering wheel is on high and my heated seat is on high, I can only get 200 miles of range. I guess under those same exact conditions, driving from Mount Snow to Fairfield I would get 250 miles of range, it’s all downhill, even at 70 miles an hour, in the winter. Thank God they have seven Tesla level two, 9 kW, charging stations at Mount Snow and I have the adapter.
@@ronnelson06824 What's the elevation gain between those two places? That would primarily affect your range. You can't rely on the 303 mile range estimate unless you've been recently driving in similar terrain & style. The GOM estimates based on your latest driving so always take it with a grain of salt.
@@ArtiePenguin1 Thank you, I have gone to Mount Snow at least four times in late January and February this year when I first got the car, I am confident in the performance and I’ve got a charging station in Chicopee off I 91 in southern Massachusetts as well as a Electrify America north of Mount Snow in White River Junction area. I am sea level and I must go to 1000 feet West Dover Vermont. Google says 1119 feet is the elevation of West Dover Vermont
WIND CHILL! Every forecaster will refer to it in colder conditions. In a car you create your own wind chill while in a rolling refrigerator. Why we use a fan on a hot day. So SLOW DOWN. Point 2. The amount of energy needed to push the air in front of your car does not double with the speed. Think More like 'cubed' as it rises exponentially. At 70 mph you are hemorraging energy just pushing air ahead of your car. So SLOW DOWN. Drive at 40. So, it takes longer. But you less likely to freeze!
Great information. Ideally cars would have at least 400 miles of range so that you can drive 80mph when it's 5 degrees out, and windy, and go a decent distance. 600 miles would be the maximum I would ever need for road trips in the winter.
Small battery EV6 here. So RWD and no heat pump. We’ve just gotten to “enjoy” some 0-5C temperatures in Ohio. Rather than talk range I’ll just say with no change to driving habits I’ve gone from mid 3 mi/kWH to about 2 mi/kWh. Let’s say it’s 3.5 down to 2.3 mi/kWh. That’s about a 35% efficiency drop. At 70% SOC I saw only an estimated range of 100 miles. This contrasts with maybe a 140-160 mi range estimate in the summer (just a few weeks ago when I was in Arizona.) if I was at 80% SOC.
Thanks for the tips. Just had my first i5 “winter wake-up” as I left the house w 189 miles of range and discovered after only 42 miles that I now had 111 miles of range remaining. The temp was 27 degrees so not super cold - nonetheless I was shocked to see the range drop so low after only 42 miles of driving. I keep the cabin temp at 68 w the fan on lowest setting. And this is a 2024 model so I assume has the updated battery pew-conditioning - although NO rear windshield wiper (as originally promised) which is a real pain on rainy / snowy days. Will also try to keep my speed at 65 which on the freeways can be downright dangerous.
As someone driving an ev in artic Norway I really do not get why people turn down their climate and etc too maximize the range. Just stop for 10 minutes and fast charge, and use your car with full comfort!👍
Tip to stay comfortable at lower energy consumption is to keep AC/climate control very low or off. To stay warm turn on seats heating.This means the heat goes into the body and not in the cabin that gets lost to the outside. added heating off steeringwheel is also an extra heating for the driver.
Hey Corbin, great info as always! As it has gotten colder I have started to try the “scheduled charging” for home level 2 charging. I have it set to charge prior to my morning departure. I have a 30 mile commute, and I seem to get better mi/kWh efficiency on the morning drive right after charging (only tried it a few times, so I’m still evaluating the effect). I don’t know how much the battery warms up during AC charging, but it might have a positive effect on efficiency for that first drive after charging.
e-gmp really needs a trip planer that shows the estimated arrival SoC. I just completed a road trip thru Canada driving with temps below freezing, and didnt have any anxiety. if i only had the gom and had to rely on obd and/or abrp while driving, it would really make it more stressful.
You can completely shut off climate control and turn on heated seats (and steering whell but sel doesnt have that). That uses much less energy and is very nice.
Could you do a piece on ideal winter charging strategies. I am stugling to find consistent answers on this one. An interesting point I read today is to use your level one charger to keep your battery warm if you cannot garage your car. Range is extended and the battery is happier. Can you confirm this? Thank you. I live in 🇨🇦, cold winters.
2023 Ioniq 5, picked up in January. The highest temperature my car has seen is 55 degF, the temperature of my garage. In the morning, I go to the Y and the outside temperature is teens to negatives and the car will lose 20-30 miles of range during the 1.5 hours I am in the Y. But the displayed battery capacity remains the same. Drive home, tuck my car into it's heated home and much of the range returns. Oh, and the OBD monitor show decreasing pack temperature while driving around town. These are just observations which really do not affect my driving. I really want on demand battery preconditioning and access to the Tesla charging system. The are no high capacity CCS chargers for hundreds of miles other than the Teslas. I use Level 2 at home.
Good video! I have an EV6 with a heat pump and I can heat the cabin by leaving the climate control off, temp set to 22c and fan on 2. This does not affect the range.
i got a used early ioniq 5, and it doesn't even list winter mode anymore (maybe it was updated away im not sure) but i know it does have it, since when i check my obd reader, it does show that my car is keeping a certain temperature for the battery I just drive carefully, slower acceleration, and just the regen padels religiously to get the best range in the winter so far lol.
Higher pressure in tires in winter conditions means less traction (therefore less control on icy or snowy pavement), which isn't more efficiency in my point of view.
Another number to pay attention to, and most of us love numbers. Right? Can we determine the average expected mi/kw number for temps, say at 70 mph, 65 mph, etc? For example, if I'm starting out on a road trip, and the expected temps are going to be around 32F, where will my mi/kw fall? 3.5, 3.2 or so on? For different speeds, so I can choose how much slower i need to drive to make the trip? Disregarding elevation slopes, rain, snow, wind, but at least for a general rule of thumb?
Is there any information on the difference between the 2022 vs 2023 i5 winter rang loss ? I live in Ontario Canada and picking up my 2023 i5 on Nov 28.
When you will be experimenting with the winter mode, could you please also include OBD reading of the battery temperature? - Wondering what is the BMS actually targeting for.
Sound to me like the "Winter Mode" is the sort of climate control for the battery so that it doesn't degrade as fast as if you don't have "Winter Mode" on. So it's a mixed bag. One will have to weight the differences and how much it help. So, I supposed every EV has a shorter range during winter unless you warm it up w/ "Winter Mode"? And pre-conditioning the battery only for charging purpose?
Welcome to EV life “everyone gets beginners range anxiety”. Thanks for sharing this. I think Hyundai did a great job with this car. Does the Ionic 5 have a heat pump? Do they use 2170 cells or LFP? The charging network is the only thing that holds me back. I am hearing EA charges aren’t always working or there broken, is that true? Drive safe 👍🏽
@saadimadina1337 Having a heat pump will reduce your energy consumption to approximately a third that of a conventional car heater. As such, prospective EV purchasers should always look for an EV with a heat pump, especially in cold climates such as the Northern U.S. and Canada. As an Ioniq 5 owner, I have personally tested the benefits of a heat pump and have had zero regrets in spending the extra money in order to maximize my winter range in cold weather!
Thank you for the content. I think you are analytical and has good engineering mind. It will be great if your contents can be read because sometimes I have no time and have to watch your video with a script. Another tip, Hyundai/Kia managers can change your recommendations by translating key points using Google translator.
Well... typically, heated seats and steering wheels use less energy to provide sufficient creature comfort... Tire pressure at spec yes, caution on overpressure. Too much can actually reduce traction and steering control. As you saw, speed kills (battery content)... Keep acceleration demands minimal. Like Bjorn says, in winter, ABC! (Always Be Charging) There are others, but those should help keep the anxiety bears away. Enjoy!
Thanks for the great video. I have a question about tire pressure the dealer put nitrogen in my tires (I had no choice to refuse the expense, it was part of their "package deal"). Does nitrogen react the same way in the cold? Also, what sow tires, if any, do you use?
Yes, nitrogen reacts more or less the same as air as temperature fluctuates. Air in nearly 80% O2. I don’t have winter tires for my Ioniq 5 but I’ve used Firestone winterforce 2s on previous cars and they’re great. I highly recommend them and they’re typically cheaper than Michelin or Bridgestone
Is yours RWD or AWD? Thank you! And I have the same range drops in my EV6 AWD. I get 157 miles on 80% charge. My wife uses Auto Climate temps set to 72 degrees. Seats and steering wheel heating
I really just want a decent cabin heat, maybe 75 F with 200+ miles of range with zero degrees outside temp. Until this has been achieved, my combustion engine will do the trick. And of course my car is always pre-heated with fuel using park heater. I always take care of the car engine and my nerves.
Interesting because there have been a couple of owners who were able to get the coil symbol to display while charging having Winter Mode only and not Battery Preconditioning.
@@TheIoniqGuy Yes. Both were posted to the I5 USA FB group. One post seems implied while another has a video that shows Winter Mode and the coil symbol. It's been kind of a fail on Hyundai's part with this aspect of the car in terms of switching things with the 22 MY midcycle and not having clear explanations on what Winter Mode actually does/what it is.
Great info! Would be good if you could give the metric conversions in subtitles. I don’t understand the imperial measurements. Is 55f cold? Really cold? Or sweater cold. I know how to convert to km’s, but temp has never made sense. Thanks for the video
Hey Harold. I've been trying to be better about doing that but sometimes I forget. 55 is sweater weather for me. A quick trick is subtract 30 and divide that number by 2. That'll get in in the ball park
I tried to find information about winter mode in the owner manual of the ioniq 5, but could not find anything! I think it's unfortunate they don't explain what the feature does in the documentation
Enjoyed the video. Manual mentions using the heated steering wheel and or the heated seats to save energy. The fans uses more power than those features. Wondering if a heated garage would help. Once the vehicle is warm, begin charging . Any comments from anyone. Roger
A heated garage would certainly help the battery charge....but conversely...our Kona sits in our unheated but well insulated garage and when I charge on our level 2 32A charger, by morning our garage temperature has risen by about 4 C! I do not see much difference in charging when my wife comes home as the battery will have internally warmed up just by being used. But a heated garage certainly would be better... Mike 🇨🇦
Thanks for the explanation about Winter Mode. I didn’t quite understand the difference because I knew everyone has winter mode, but yet not everyone has preconditioning. HMG seems to have very vague UI messages and poor explainations in the user manual for most features.
The frustrating thing about the user manual is that it is written by South Koreans in South Korea and then interpreted to English by somebody who doesn’t speak English as a first language. Or maybe the problem with this stupid American person is a barely speak English???!!! Lol. The owners manual can be very funny at times two, language wise and misinterpretation wise.
Could you ask that Hyundai engineer at what temperature the winter mode actually switches the battery heating on? It hasn’t been cold enough to test this out but I have been down to 43 F and it didn’t turn on. I mean 43F battery temperature (I can see from the OBD scanner).
Excellent video I was up in your area on our trip to Boston then Portland Maine we were going to take my wife’s ionic five up there, but saw a few EA stations in Connecticut were down so I ended up taking my model three
The Stratford Connecticut electrify America stations off I 95 are now the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen and they’re all 350 KW and there’s eight of them. Brand new state of the art technology. Plus I can get two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun, within a 15 step walk from the station
Another excellent video Corbin, thanks. I know that DC fast charging is slower in the winter. Any idea about level 2 charging? My garage probably gets into the low 40s during the winter. Wondering how much longer charging will take.
I think I always get 3.2 KW with my 110 V regular outlet in my garage, and it doesn’t matter if it’s summer or winter. Level one charging. I think one time it told me it would take 60 hours to charge.
Corbin I absolutely love the wooden eyewear holders since almist everything in my house interior is made of solid wood. But I do use wireframe glasses. Any chance you do an update on your holders for them to also work good with wire framed glasses?
Yes. I have seen that using the seat warmer and/or the steering wheel heater has basically no effect on range, but as soon as I put the fan on even the lowest setting, I lose a good 15 to 20 miles on range.
Have you gotten a definitive response on Battery Preconditioning for 2022 AWD models? I know you broke the news a few weeks ago. But I’m wondering if Hyundai USA has seen all the forum posts and activity and has changed their response on it. Thanks.
My 2022 SE RWD doesn't even have winter mode. Is that feature only exclusive to Ioniq 5's that have a heat pump? Going to upstate NY around Christmas time. Expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
Heavily depends on where you driving. In city environments with lots of stop&go i-pedal can be very efficient, but on the highway, coasting is king, so you would want to put it on level 1. Also depending if you own an AWD or RWD, if you have an AWD you probably want to go with Eco Mode since it disengages the front motor. I heard that some people let drive it in level zero and use the pedal for braking in certain situations, resulting in a spectacular efficiency but requires the driver to constantly make little tactical decisions. Auto regen basically let the car decide the regen level. I personally find it very discomforting, especially on our curvy highway ramps and exits.
After you get the updated version with the preheat function it seems there is no winter mode function anymore. Any idea why this is the case. Is the manual operated winter mode replaced by an automatic opereted wintermode? The preheat function only works when you add a fast charging station in the navigation.
@@troosimimimmi I think we are talking about two different things. I’m talking about winter mode and you are talking about snow mode. The winter mode does something with the temperature of the battery and snow mode does something with traction…
I am not saying don't do this, but why didn't you plan to stop at a charger on this trip for like 10 or so minutes? I would never run my EV6 down to even 10 percent. If my trip told me I had a 15-20 mile buffer I would plan to stop and charge it back up no matter what the outdoor temp is. I would never run an EV car down so low. I would also not drive a ICE car down that low because you can mess with the fuel injectors. I kinda don't understand your decision on trying to do this trip without charging.
Thanks for the information. I live in Astana and we have quite severe winters here (temps drop down to -40C sometimes). Recently I've ordered Ioniq 5 long range AWD and I'm very curious about the upcoming experience
Ensure your model has a heat pump, I know that US and canada have them standard now, but can't speak for other countries. A heat pump is pretty much necessary in a cold climate
Great information. But this gets me concerned about how low the range will be in central Canada where our winters get down to -20F, or colder. It might not be any good for anything other that running around town
I have not found it to be an issue until you get down below -20 and even then as charging infrastructure increases the only issue is time. Owning an ev and undertaking winter trips is a paradigm shift. Minus 35 c or less it starts getting interesting, range drops by 50%.
It really is and until battery technology figures out how to combat temperature, people in extremely cold climates are not going to have a choice but to continue using fossil fueled vehicles.
@@TheIoniqGuy You know, one of the biggest markets for EVs is... Norway. Also, one of the North American regions where EVs are most popular per capita is... Quebec. Cold climates are not a huge issue for EVs, as long as the charging networks are reliable and commonplace (and both Quebec and Norway have a lead in this respect). One might even argue that EVs are MUCH better cars to use in winter, with quick cabin heaters and guilt-free remote climate. Batteries give EVs a low center of gravity and make them heavier, both good things when driving on snow. When it gets really cold, tires are much less grippy (as its rubber becomes harder) and black ice is a common problem on the road. A good driver should take that into account and lower its speed to keep things safe anyway. Having less impact on range is just an added bonus at this point.
@@fleecystheking you are absolutely correct! We have both (EV and ICE) and I prefer to drive my wife's Kona EV in the winter (and summer) no worries about range and a very efficient vehicle even in cold weather. Have a great day! Mike 🇨🇦
"we weren't holding anyone up, we were driving in the slow lane" ... No one owes anyone fast driving. I'm tired of hearing people whine about safe, eco-conscious drivers. Not that you're whining, but the hedging isn't necessary. Who cares if some unselfaware, low-intelligence ape who has no sense of perspective (driving 65 mph in one's own personal vehicle is insanely fast from a historical perspective) thinks you are somehow in the wrong for driving sensibly? Sorry not sorry for the rant.
It's unneceptable to have almost 50% range loss during winter, which means you can't go on far trips, that why all cars need about 350 to 400 mile range to compensate for this exact thing. That's why you need long range cars in colder climates
E.V. vehicles in the flooded area, as a result of the hurricane last month, are MANDATED to be parked 50 feet around, from any other vehicles, homes, or buildings. FACT, it's not a question of IF they will explode/instantaneously burn, but WHEN. And yes I'm a Engineer.
I have a similar experience (not as bad) when I bought my ioniq 5. I bought it February 2022. The next morning I had my first commute to work which is 50 miles each way and ended up being like 15 degrees. Not understanding the vehicles limits I left at 80% assuming it all be good which it was but I was amazed how low I got. I don't remember the exact number but i think I got home around like 20-30%. Come summer, I can go too and from work 2 times getting home on the 2nd day around 10-20%. You need to plan your trips and relize even in good weather fast chargers may not be working .
If Ioniq 5 climate control can barely keep up with heat loss driving through 15F weather - then I guess we Canadians are out of luck as we frequently get -22F here. I would imagine Ioniq 5 will freeze to death and passengers will require to call 911. I am hoping future generations of Ioniq 5 can finally keep up with Canadian winters. I'm surprised it's offered in Canada if it's unable to keep up with lower than 15F weather to keep cabin toasty.
Good explanation and and details about winter driving. I drive my 2022 I5 in full blown northern prairie winter here and would offer that it is much more efficient to lower your highway speed a few mph than sacrifice cabin heat. Reducing the drag of the vehicle through the extra dense cold winter air is way better than the relatively small saving you glean from the very efficient heat exchanger used for cabin heating. In my 10 year old Nissan Leaf this was a different story, but thankfully the I5 has a vastly superior heating system. Happy winter driving and keep up the great work!
What do you typically show for 80 or 100% range estimates?
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Unfortunately, all my long distance driving has ended now that we have shut down our lake cottage for the winter. Before that we were driving 200 km (125 mile) return trips nearly twice a week. We bought the long range RWD purposely to get the extra range
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Sorry, cut myself off! We sacrificed the AWD with better snow driving properties because we needed the extra range in the summer for the commutes the lake. So far, the RWD has been excellent in the snow, even than I had experienced last winter in the demo vehicle. Good winter tires on 18” rims makes a big difference. Surprisingly, the best driving mode for us seems to be ECO with IPedal. SNOW mode defaults the regen to 1, which requires manual braking and is not as effective as careful use of IPedal deceleration on ice or wet snow. I understand Hyundai’s logic with regen 1, as it keeps the wheels from locking up, but careful and practiced use of IPedal is far superior.
As far as estimated range goes, I have never used 100% charge yet, and cannot give you numbers for the 80% charge on the highway at normal speeds. I know it would drop significantly from the same summer drives but am still confident we could complete the trip with plenty of spare energy. The charge times will be longer, I know, but the extra few minutes is not that important to us for these recreational trips. Also, I have yet to find a fast charger in our area that lives up to the stated charge speeds. Just the price we pay for still being on the leading edge of this EV revolution. It’s well worth it! Cheers, Mike L
This is what I would say as well.
@@mjloewen5798 Great info! I'm in Manitoba, looking at the Ionic 5 and your thoughts on the RWD model is interesting to me. The 2025 models get a bit more battery...maybe next year. There are days I drive 500-600 kms..not sure EVs are there yet for me.
My actions for more range in colder temperatures
1. Reduce autobahn speed to 80-100km/h (most effective method by far)
2. Use heated seats instead of A/C, generally just use barely enough heat
3. Use scheduled heating and charging via blue link app and heat up the car a few degrees more than you actually need while the car is plugged in to your home charger
4. Adapt regen level to driving situation (if you haven't learned how to do it already)
5. Tire pressure a tiny bit up (careful, this has a negative impact on grip and braking distance)
Great video... I live in Toronto Canada and I got my I5 Ultimate in February of last year. I've never used the battery warmer and although I have seen a significant range drop (35+%) and I've been down to 1%, 3km of range rolling into my driveway at night I'm extremely confident that my car will always get me home. I've driven in temperatures of -38C (wind chill of -46C) and the car has been flawless with an inside temperature of 68F on auto mode. Steering wheel and heated seats at level 1.
Thank you for posting your comment. i will be working at a hospital about 95 kilometers each way. They offer free charging. Do you think I have somethi g to worry about in these -35 temperatures? Thanks.
Using the heated seats, if you have a Limited, is a great way to save energy and still keep warm. Heated seats barely use energy as per the Electricity Usage screen
I did experience cold and driving up to mountains a few weeks ago. Especially from sea level to 7500 ft, in a short 115 miles, ( Phoenix to Flagstaff in high wind conditions too)eats your entire battery range, I even had 200 range to start, and still experienced anxiety with getting to a charger with 9 miles left. I learned to charge up!
Whoa! I can imagine that was stressful indeed. Did you have charging opportunities between your start and stop?
@@TheIoniqGuy there is not a charging station from North Phoenix to Flagstaff AZ. Additionally I’ve done elevation changes with my Ioniq 5 AWD from Vegas to Flagstaff AZ (daughter in college there ) and I get battery to at least 200 to get me to Kingman 1st stop then charge to at least 200 miles range to then go 145 miles to the 7500 ft elevation in Flagstaff ( total drive is 270 miles ) , and still have 30 miles to spare but there is a station in Williams AZ which is 40 miles west of Flag if needing a charge. It’s now more colder temps there so I’m anxious to go with the Ioniq to get my daughter for her winter break due even potential lower battery ranges.
Did you ever start at 7500 feet and go to sea level, that same 115 miles?? I bet you got like 10 miles/ kilowatt hour!!!!!
@@ronnelson06824 we did initially and battery used miles as listed on the vehicle. I was is stop go traffic into Phoenix that night so it only used like 65 miles due to regenerative breaking
@@kathleenbeachmaui
only Tesla has a charging station in-between Phoenix and Flagstaff, EA needs to get it together by putting charging in more places
What people REFUSE to learn is that the elements ALSO AFFECT GAS VEHICLES AS WELL.
So this isn’t just an EV issue.
Correct, but it’s much more noticeable on an EV because your efficiency in terms of converting energy into motion is almost 100% where a gas car is converting about 25% of its fuel into motion so a 30% drop is negligible on a gas car.
Thanks for the CAPS. It is more noticeable in EVs because (1) here are far fewer charging vs fuel stations, and of course, (2) the refuelling time in an EV is much longer.
Temperature affects the chemical reaction in batteries, so cold temperatures will affect EVs much more than ICE. Mountain climbers have big issues with electronic devices :]
Higher tire pressure gives you a more rounded tire profile cross section. This gives you less surface area between the tire and the road, decreasing friction. The drawback is that the tire will wear faster in the center portion and you will have reduced performance and safety. 4x4 drivers often reduce the tire pressure in snow to maximize traction.
Agree. Would not over inflate in the winter.
This is a great video and it should be known that this is an issue with all current EVs. It's hardly an issue for those that are in year round warm climates or don't travel very far in the winter and can charge overnight at home.
Wind resistance goes up by a velocity cubed. For road trips, the much greater energy used to overcome wind resistance at high speed needs to be weighed against the time needed to recharge the car, more frequently at higher speed. Optimized overall trip time may require traveling at slower speeds.
Certainly to extend range slow down. In winter its considerably safer to drive at slower speeds as kinetic energy is a function of velocity squared. Makes a big difference in traction going around corners, and stopping.
Perhaps when we all drive evs on long road trips we will slow down a bit to optimize.
My driving habits have modified significantly since the purchase of an EV. No more heavy foot and enjoy the challenge of balancing time and distance and charging on long trips.
Canadian I5 driver here. Speed has a far bigger impact on range than cabin temp.
I 95 in Fairfield Connecticut has a 55 mph speed limit and that’s how fast I go in the slow lane - except when I’m in danger to others.
I always drive the car in Eco.
I have the rear Wheel drive SEL and The range a meter gesso meter showed me 359 miles all late spring - summer and through the fall.
55 miles versus 75 miles is an incredibly huge savings of electricity.
Thank God I’m 61 years old and retired!!!!!
Such an extremely relevant youtube channel for me, a new ioniq owner in CT
You learned real fast, slow down if you need more range in an EV, did you turn on your heated seats, they use minimal power compared to the car heater.
Thank you for this very topical. As far as weather I not only watch temperatures but prevailing winds. Range drops simply in the change over to winter tires. Speed is the range killer. As I see inanother post here use your seat heater instead of climate control (just read that piece today). The other new piece of information I picked up today was to lower the regen levels when cold (< -10 C?).
A bit off topic but under slippery conditions use either snow mode or drop the regen to level 2, locking up will occur in level 3 if you are suddenly off of the throttle.
I have experienced exactly that myself in the past 2 weeks of fresh snow and ice. I guess this is why when Snow mode is selected the regen defaults to 1. Makes sense!
Thanks for the clarification on winter mode. It is pretty much what I was guessing.
I had a stretch in Oregon on my recent trip where the temp drop along with the pouring rain and elevation just destroyed my range. Fortunately lots of charging ops on I-5 so it wasn’t a huge issue - just an extra stop. But definitely felt the lack of pre-conditioning even in fall weather until I hit California temps. Every stop in Oregon and Washington started with the snowflake. I never once either there or back reached over 180kw but some of that was EA because I should have all through California at ideal temps.
That’s the reason the NEVI plan calls for fast charging stations every 50 miles. That and folks who are towing which will kill range too obviously.
I have only put a little over 1400 miles on my 2022 limited 77.4kw, AWD vehicle. I live in northern NJ.. I am retired and normally drive about 50 to 60 miles when do errands using highways about 60% of the time. My driving scores for the past 4 weeks are 85, 88, 88, 87 being the last. Right now I have my car battery at 88% with a range of 249 miles. I charge to 90 %. Extrapolating that implies that if the battery was at 100% charge my range would be 285 miles. I have been averaging between 285 to just over 290 miles if fully charged. I am averaging between 3.7 kw to 3.9 kw. On the highway I normally drive between 65 to 68 mph. In town, I set the cruise at 3 mph above the speed limit. My question to The Ioniq guy is what are your weekly scores and what is your average Kw per mile? Today we had temperatures below 32, and right now it is sleeting. I expect a drop in cold weather and I will be monitoring my averages. I normally have the regenerative braking on I peddle. The car does have battery pre conditioning and so far I am not particularly happy with Electrify Americas charging speeds. I only have 150 kw chargers in my area. Does anyone know how long do you have the preconditioning running in 50 degree temperatures??? Btw, I also take friends for a drive when they ask about the car. As I am about to go on the ramp to the highway, I normally say you asked if the car is quick, then I say you are about to find out and even in Normal, I pin there heads to the back rest. That is normally when normally the cursing starts. 😃
Did you do the software update on ur ioniq 5? If you didn't don't do it they're saying that's the reason for the range loss in ioniq 5 after getting software update from dealer.
Stay below 65 miles/h and you get much better range. Here in Belgium, with the 72.6 kwh ioniq5, I was able to get 500km / 310 miles in summer with a single charge, and about 330km / 205 miles in winter with temperature below 50° F
6:00 You didn't turn on the heated seats full blast? That should have helped keep you warm even if the climate control was off.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the heated seats or heated steering wheel at all in this video. Also you should have mentioned cabin climate control pre-heating when plugged in at home.
I try to put on my seat to high and my steering wheel to high….. I almost feel like my hands burned at three level heat????
I have a season pass at Mount Snow and it’s 160 miles and I have the 303 mile range vehicle.
Driving at 70 mph from Fairfield Connecticut to Mount Snow Vermont, uphill, in the winter, heat on at 69° level one fan and my steering wheel is on high and my heated seat is on high, I can only get 200 miles of range.
I guess under those same exact conditions, driving from Mount Snow to Fairfield I would get 250 miles of range, it’s all downhill, even at 70 miles an hour, in the winter.
Thank God they have seven Tesla level two, 9 kW, charging stations at Mount Snow and I have the adapter.
@@ronnelson06824 What's the elevation gain between those two places? That would primarily affect your range. You can't rely on the 303 mile range estimate unless you've been recently driving in similar terrain & style. The GOM estimates based on your latest driving so always take it with a grain of salt.
@@ArtiePenguin1 Thank you, I have gone to Mount Snow at least four times in late January and February this year when I first got the car, I am confident in the performance and I’ve got a charging station in Chicopee off I 91 in southern Massachusetts as well as a Electrify America north of Mount Snow in White River Junction area.
I am sea level and I must go to 1000 feet West Dover Vermont. Google says 1119 feet is the elevation of West Dover Vermont
WIND CHILL! Every forecaster will refer to it in colder conditions. In a car you create your own wind chill while in a rolling refrigerator. Why we use a fan on a hot day. So SLOW DOWN.
Point 2. The amount of energy needed to push the air in front of your car does not double with the speed. Think More like 'cubed' as it rises exponentially. At 70 mph you are hemorraging energy just pushing air ahead of your car. So SLOW DOWN.
Drive at 40. So, it takes longer. But you less likely to freeze!
Great information. Ideally cars would have at least 400 miles of range so that you can drive 80mph when it's 5 degrees out, and windy, and go a decent distance. 600 miles would be the maximum I would ever need for road trips in the winter.
Small battery EV6 here. So RWD and no heat pump. We’ve just gotten to “enjoy” some 0-5C temperatures in Ohio. Rather than talk range I’ll just say with no change to driving habits I’ve gone from mid 3 mi/kWH to about 2 mi/kWh. Let’s say it’s 3.5 down to 2.3 mi/kWh. That’s about a 35% efficiency drop. At 70% SOC I saw only an estimated range of 100 miles. This contrasts with maybe a 140-160 mi range estimate in the summer (just a few weeks ago when I was in Arizona.) if I was at 80% SOC.
Thanks for the tips. Just had my first i5 “winter wake-up” as I left the house w 189 miles of range and discovered after only 42 miles that I now had 111 miles of range remaining. The temp was 27 degrees so not super cold - nonetheless I was shocked to see the range drop so low after only 42 miles of driving. I keep the cabin temp at 68 w the fan on lowest setting. And this is a 2024 model so I assume has the updated battery pew-conditioning - although NO rear windshield wiper (as originally promised) which is a real pain on rainy / snowy days. Will also try to keep my speed at 65 which on the freeways can be downright dangerous.
As someone driving an ev in artic Norway I really do not get why people turn down their climate and etc too maximize the range. Just stop for 10 minutes and fast charge, and use your car with full comfort!👍
Tip to stay comfortable at lower energy consumption is to keep AC/climate control very low or off. To stay warm turn on seats heating.This means the heat goes into the body and not in the cabin that gets lost to the outside. added heating off steeringwheel is also an extra heating for the driver.
Hey Corbin, great info as always!
As it has gotten colder I have started to try the “scheduled charging” for home level 2 charging. I have it set to charge prior to my morning departure. I have a 30 mile commute, and I seem to get better mi/kWh efficiency on the morning drive right after charging (only tried it a few times, so I’m still evaluating the effect). I don’t know how much the battery warms up during AC charging, but it might have a positive effect on efficiency for that first drive after charging.
e-gmp really needs a trip planer that shows the estimated arrival SoC. I just completed a road trip thru Canada driving with temps below freezing, and didnt have any anxiety. if i only had the gom and had to rely on obd and/or abrp while driving, it would really make it more stressful.
You can completely shut off climate control and turn on heated seats (and steering whell but sel doesnt have that). That uses much less energy and is very nice.
Could you do a piece on ideal winter charging strategies. I am stugling to find consistent answers on this one. An interesting point I read today is to use your level one charger to keep your battery warm if you cannot garage your car. Range is extended and the battery is happier. Can you confirm this? Thank you. I live in 🇨🇦, cold winters.
2023 Ioniq 5, picked up in January. The highest temperature my car has seen is 55 degF, the temperature of my garage. In the morning, I go to the Y and the outside temperature is teens to negatives and the car will lose 20-30 miles of range during the 1.5 hours I am in the Y. But the displayed battery capacity remains the same. Drive home, tuck my car into it's heated home and much of the range returns. Oh, and the OBD monitor show decreasing pack temperature while driving around town. These are just observations which really do not affect my driving. I really want on demand battery preconditioning and access to the Tesla charging system. The are no high capacity CCS chargers for hundreds of miles other than the Teslas. I use Level 2 at home.
Good video! I have an EV6 with a heat pump and I can heat the cabin by leaving the climate control off, temp set to 22c and fan on 2. This does not affect the range.
Apologies , forgot to mention you should have the recirc on….
Just wondering, what is the recommended manufacturer for replacement tires. Some cold weather driving in Wyoming and warm weather florida driving,?
i got a used early ioniq 5, and it doesn't even list winter mode anymore (maybe it was updated away im not sure) but i know it does have it, since when i check my obd reader, it does show that my car is keeping a certain temperature for the battery
I just drive carefully, slower acceleration, and just the regen padels religiously to get the best range in the winter so far lol.
Great video please advise if your car is 2 or 4 wheel drive -thanks
Higher pressure in tires in winter conditions means less traction (therefore less control on icy or snowy pavement), which isn't more efficiency in my point of view.
Oh,,,, Ioniq Guy….. thanks for recommending the USB led lights. I installed them and they are great…. Thanks for sharing…
Another number to pay attention to, and most of us love numbers. Right? Can we determine the average expected mi/kw number for temps, say at 70 mph, 65 mph, etc? For example, if I'm starting out on a road trip, and the expected temps are going to be around 32F, where will my mi/kw fall? 3.5, 3.2 or so on? For different speeds, so I can choose how much slower i need to drive to make the trip? Disregarding elevation slopes, rain, snow, wind, but at least for a general rule of thumb?
Is there any information on the difference between the 2022 vs 2023 i5 winter rang loss ? I live in Ontario Canada and picking up my 2023 i5 on Nov 28.
When you will be experimenting with the winter mode, could you please also include OBD reading of the battery temperature? - Wondering what is the BMS actually targeting for.
Sound to me like the "Winter Mode" is the sort of climate control for the battery so that it doesn't degrade as fast as if you don't have "Winter Mode" on. So it's a mixed bag. One will have to weight the differences and how much it help.
So, I supposed every EV has a shorter range during winter unless you warm it up w/ "Winter Mode"? And pre-conditioning the battery only for charging purpose?
Welcome to EV life “everyone gets beginners range anxiety”. Thanks for sharing this. I think Hyundai did a great job with this car. Does the Ionic 5 have a heat pump? Do they use 2170 cells or LFP? The charging network is the only thing that holds me back. I am hearing EA charges aren’t always working or there broken, is that true? Drive safe 👍🏽
What is the benefit of the heat pump?
@saadimadina1337 Having a heat pump will reduce your energy consumption to approximately a third that of a conventional car heater.
As such, prospective EV purchasers should always look for an EV with a heat pump, especially in cold climates such as the Northern U.S. and Canada.
As an Ioniq 5 owner, I have personally tested the benefits of a heat pump and have had zero regrets in spending the extra money in order to maximize my winter range in cold weather!
Thank you for the content. I think you are analytical and has good engineering mind. It will be great if your contents can be read because sometimes I have no time and have to watch your video with a script. Another tip, Hyundai/Kia managers can change your recommendations by translating key points using Google translator.
Excellent info period. 👍
why isn't it that well explained in the owner manual is beyond me 🫤
Great info. Thanks for the video!
Well... typically, heated seats and steering wheels use less energy to provide sufficient creature comfort... Tire pressure at spec yes, caution on overpressure. Too much can actually reduce traction and steering control. As you saw, speed kills (battery content)... Keep acceleration demands minimal.
Like Bjorn says, in winter, ABC! (Always Be Charging)
There are others, but those should help keep the anxiety bears away. Enjoy!
Thanks for the great video. I have a question about tire pressure the dealer put nitrogen in my tires (I had no choice to refuse the expense, it was part of their "package deal"). Does nitrogen react the same way in the cold? Also, what sow tires, if any, do you use?
Yes, nitrogen reacts more or less the same as air as temperature fluctuates. Air in nearly 80% O2. I don’t have winter tires for my Ioniq 5 but I’ve used Firestone winterforce 2s on previous cars and they’re great. I highly recommend them and they’re typically cheaper than Michelin or Bridgestone
Is yours RWD or AWD? Thank you! And I have the same range drops in my EV6 AWD. I get 157 miles on 80% charge. My wife uses Auto Climate temps set to 72 degrees. Seats and steering wheel heating
AWD
@@TheIoniqGuyawd ioniq 5 gets much less range correct than the rwd?
I really just want a decent cabin heat, maybe 75 F with 200+ miles of range with zero degrees outside temp. Until this has been achieved, my combustion engine will do the trick. And of course my car is always pre-heated with fuel using park heater. I always take care of the car engine and my nerves.
Interesting because there have been a couple of owners who were able to get the coil symbol to display while charging having Winter Mode only and not Battery Preconditioning.
Really? I wonder if they just changed it from a snowflake to a heating coil when it’s heating after plugging in at a DCFC.
@@TheIoniqGuy Yes. Both were posted to the I5 USA FB group. One post seems implied while another has a video that shows Winter Mode and the coil symbol. It's been kind of a fail on Hyundai's part with this aspect of the car in terms of switching things with the 22 MY midcycle and not having clear explanations on what Winter Mode actually does/what it is.
Great info! Would be good if you could give the metric conversions in subtitles. I don’t understand the imperial measurements. Is 55f cold? Really cold? Or sweater cold. I know how to convert to km’s, but temp has never made sense. Thanks for the video
Hey Harold. I've been trying to be better about doing that but sometimes I forget. 55 is sweater weather for me. A quick trick is subtract 30 and divide that number by 2. That'll get in in the ball park
I have a 22 ioniq 5 awd. It has the heat pump. Can you tell me what the benefit is of having the heat pump ?
It doesn’t require as much energy to warm or cool the cabin/battery
I would be concerned that using more PSi than recommended is not safe for the tire and might cause a flat.
I just wanted to reach out because I’m frustrated, my 2022 SEL rear wheel Drive - does not have winter mode
I tried to find information about winter mode in the owner manual of the ioniq 5, but could not find anything! I think it's unfortunate they don't explain what the feature does in the documentation
Enjoyed the video. Manual mentions using the heated steering wheel and or the heated seats to save energy. The fans uses more power than those features.
Wondering if a heated garage would help. Once the vehicle is warm, begin charging . Any comments from anyone. Roger
A heated garage would certainly help the battery charge....but conversely...our Kona sits in our unheated but well insulated garage and when I charge on our level 2 32A charger, by morning our garage temperature has risen by about 4 C!
I do not see much difference in charging when my wife comes home as the battery will have internally warmed up just by being used.
But a heated garage certainly would be better...
Mike 🇨🇦
Thanks for the explanation about Winter Mode. I didn’t quite understand the difference because I knew everyone has winter mode, but yet not everyone has preconditioning. HMG seems to have very vague UI messages and poor explainations in the user manual for most features.
The frustrating thing about the user manual is that it is written by South Koreans in South Korea and then interpreted to English by somebody who doesn’t speak English as a first language.
Or maybe the problem with this stupid American person is a barely speak English???!!! Lol.
The owners manual can be very funny at times two, language wise and misinterpretation wise.
The Speed is also a big factor. Range drops a lot above 60 mph.
Could you ask that Hyundai engineer at what temperature the winter mode actually switches the battery heating on? It hasn’t been cold enough to test this out but I have been down to 43 F and it didn’t turn on. I mean 43F battery temperature (I can see from the OBD scanner).
Excellent video I was up in your area on our trip to Boston then Portland Maine we were going to take my wife’s ionic five up there, but saw a few EA stations in Connecticut were down so I ended up taking my model three
Nice! Yeah I think they were just replacing them with the new chargers.
@@TheIoniqGuy I only had to stop once to charge my 2019 SR+ model 3 from Central, New Jersey just north of Boston.
The Stratford Connecticut electrify America stations off I 95 are now the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen and they’re all 350 KW and there’s eight of them.
Brand new state of the art technology.
Plus I can get two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun, within a 15 step walk from the station
Thank you that was very clear
Explain battery preconditioning in ev 6 wind
Another excellent video Corbin, thanks. I know that DC fast charging is slower in the winter. Any idea about level 2 charging? My garage probably gets into the low 40s during the winter. Wondering how much longer charging will take.
Level 2 is so much less power than DC that there shouldn’t be a degradation. I still see the full AC level 2 charge rate of just over 11kW at 40F.
@@jasonbe1920 thank you. Good to know.
I think I always get 3.2 KW with my 110 V regular outlet in my garage, and it doesn’t matter if it’s summer or winter. Level one charging.
I think one time it told me it would take 60 hours to charge.
Corbin I absolutely love the wooden eyewear holders since almist everything in my house interior is made of solid wood. But I do use wireframe glasses. Any chance you do an update on your holders for them to also work good with wire framed glasses?
Shoot me an email with a photo of the glasses you use and I’ll see what I can do for you!
Theioniqguy@gmail.com
Doesn't winter mode disappear once the system is upgraded and user gets preconditioning?
It will
Use the seat and steering wheel heater
Good points Paul! Conduction>convection
Yes. I have seen that using the seat warmer and/or the steering wheel heater has basically no effect on range, but as soon as I put the fan on even the lowest setting, I lose a good 15 to 20 miles on range.
I would like to know if we can fill regular air into tier’s .. since we have nitrogen gas currently in tier.
Absolutely. Air is 78% nitrogen.
Have you gotten a definitive response on Battery Preconditioning for 2022 AWD models? I know you broke the news a few weeks ago. But I’m wondering if Hyundai USA has seen all the forum posts and activity and has changed their response on it. Thanks.
They’ve reversed course based on all the feedback. It’s in the works but no ETA
@@TheIoniqGuy Well this is the most exciting day since I got my TuxMats! Thanks 🙏
@@TimothyBaylosis
Hey, how do your Tuxmats fit in the rear? My hold down tabs don’t line up!
The ICE cars thermal efficiency rises when temp drops.
My 2022 SE RWD doesn't even have winter mode. Is that feature only exclusive to Ioniq 5's that have a heat pump? Going to upstate NY around Christmas time. Expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
I just went out to my SEL trim rear wheel drive 2022 and it does not have winter mode
@@ronnelson06824 thanks for checking!
If your on a trip you will only charge to 80 percent and then cold weather you have to think as if you only 40% less battery
What’s the best setting for maximum range. I notice eco mode and the ipedal mode. But what’s the other setting for like max and auto?
Heavily depends on where you driving. In city environments with lots of stop&go i-pedal can be very efficient, but on the highway, coasting is king, so you would want to put it on level 1.
Also depending if you own an AWD or RWD, if you have an AWD you probably want to go with Eco Mode since it disengages the front motor.
I heard that some people let drive it in level zero and use the pedal for braking in certain situations, resulting in a spectacular efficiency but requires the driver to constantly make little tactical decisions.
Auto regen basically let the car decide the regen level. I personally find it very discomforting, especially on our curvy highway ramps and exits.
My ioniq 5 is being made right now with delivery December 20, it’s a 2022 model… will
It have battery preconditioning?
You won't be getting a 2022, they've been making only 2023 for 3 or 4 months now. It will have preconditioning
I don't have winter mode option, what does that mean?
Is your car a 2022 RWD?
After you get the updated version with the preheat function it seems there is no winter mode function anymore. Any idea why this is the case. Is the manual operated winter mode replaced by an automatic opereted wintermode? The preheat function only works when you add a fast charging station in the navigation.
I do had to guess, I’d say that it got pushed into some sort of automated mode like you mentioned
wintermode basically reduce power lower than eco and max traction it can be automated by tracking traction
use in normal roads you probably use excess tyres and uneven wear
My understanding is that the new preconditioning function includes the old winter mode too. Which makes sense.
@@troosimimimmi I think we are talking about two different things. I’m talking about winter mode and you are talking about snow mode. The winter mode does something with the temperature of the battery and snow mode does something with traction…
Could you survive just on 120v stage one charger in a cold climate with 20 to 30 daily miles?
Yes you could. I made a video about that several months ago. Take a look in my catalog
Thx! I have my name on the list since jan22, sadly it could be another year wait.
I am not saying don't do this, but why didn't you plan to stop at a charger on this trip for like 10 or so minutes? I would never run my EV6 down to even 10 percent. If my trip told me I had a 15-20 mile buffer I would plan to stop and charge it back up no matter what the outdoor temp is. I would never run an EV car down so low. I would also not drive a ICE car down that low because you can mess with the fuel injectors. I kinda don't understand your decision on trying to do this trip without charging.
Thanks for the information. I live in Astana and we have quite severe winters here (temps drop down to -40C sometimes). Recently I've ordered Ioniq 5 long range AWD and I'm very curious about the upcoming experience
Ensure your model has a heat pump, I know that US and canada have them standard now, but can't speak for other countries. A heat pump is pretty much necessary in a cold climate
I thought winter mode also increases abs & reduces regenerative braking
That’s snow mode, which is a driving mode. This is a different setting
Thank you
Does your Ioniq 5 have a heat pump?
Yes, it does.
@@TheIoniqGuy So you must have AWD, but you get 300+ miles in warmer weather? That's encouraging!
It was for a brief period over the summer, but it is definitely possible!
go into ECO mode gives you a little more range
That is the only mode I ever use (unless quietly blowing the doors of a massive diesel pickup!)
@@rolandjarrett611 oh yer sports mode is great for those err OverTakes 🙂
Great information. But this gets me concerned about how low the range will be in central Canada where our winters get down to -20F, or colder. It might not be any good for anything other that running around town
Yeah I would certainly have some reservations about any EV in that sort of climate if you’re doing any sort of distance driving
I have not found it to be an issue until you get down below -20 and even then as charging infrastructure increases the only issue is time. Owning an ev and undertaking winter trips is a paradigm shift. Minus 35 c or less it starts getting interesting, range drops by 50%.
The Pinocchio glass holders...
We re seeing 30% dif in winter vs summer.
Try 55 mph and you would have been fine.
Why does this happen ?
The batteries chemical reactions slow down in cold temperatures
Speed kills. It even kills range
Ok.. so this is a BIG BIG dissavantage for EV's. And i'm a AWD Ioniq owner. Hate that we are suddenly so dependant on the weather.
It really is and until battery technology figures out how to combat temperature, people in extremely cold climates are not going to have a choice but to continue using fossil fueled vehicles.
@@TheIoniqGuy You know, one of the biggest markets for EVs is... Norway. Also, one of the North American regions where EVs are most popular per capita is... Quebec. Cold climates are not a huge issue for EVs, as long as the charging networks are reliable and commonplace (and both Quebec and Norway have a lead in this respect). One might even argue that EVs are MUCH better cars to use in winter, with quick cabin heaters and guilt-free remote climate. Batteries give EVs a low center of gravity and make them heavier, both good things when driving on snow.
When it gets really cold, tires are much less grippy (as its rubber becomes harder) and black ice is a common problem on the road. A good driver should take that into account and lower its speed to keep things safe anyway. Having less impact on range is just an added bonus at this point.
@@fleecystheking you are absolutely correct!
We have both (EV and ICE) and I prefer to drive my wife's Kona EV in the winter (and summer) no worries about range and a very efficient vehicle even in cold weather.
Have a great day!
Mike 🇨🇦
"we weren't holding anyone up, we were driving in the slow lane" ... No one owes anyone fast driving. I'm tired of hearing people whine about safe, eco-conscious drivers. Not that you're whining, but the hedging isn't necessary. Who cares if some unselfaware, low-intelligence ape who has no sense of perspective (driving 65 mph in one's own personal vehicle is insanely fast from a historical perspective) thinks you are somehow in the wrong for driving sensibly? Sorry not sorry for the rant.
-20 i don't think good idea to have electric car.
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It's unneceptable to have almost 50% range loss during winter, which means you can't go on far trips, that why all cars need about 350 to 400 mile range to compensate for this exact thing. That's why you need long range cars in colder climates
E.V. vehicles in the flooded area, as a result of the hurricane last month, are MANDATED to be parked 50 feet around, from any other vehicles, homes, or buildings. FACT, it's not a question of IF they will explode/instantaneously burn, but WHEN.
And yes I'm a Engineer.
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I have a similar experience (not as bad) when I bought my ioniq 5. I bought it February 2022. The next morning I had my first commute to work which is 50 miles each way and ended up being like 15 degrees. Not understanding the vehicles limits I left at 80% assuming it all be good which it was but I was amazed how low I got. I don't remember the exact number but i think I got home around like 20-30%. Come summer, I can go too and from work 2 times getting home on the 2nd day around 10-20%. You need to plan your trips and relize even in good weather fast chargers may not be working .
If Ioniq 5 climate control can barely keep up with heat loss driving through 15F weather - then I guess we Canadians are out of luck as we frequently get -22F here. I would imagine Ioniq 5 will freeze to death and passengers will require to call 911. I am hoping future generations of Ioniq 5 can finally keep up with Canadian winters. I'm surprised it's offered in Canada if it's unable to keep up with lower than 15F weather to keep cabin toasty.