What Is Anime? (And What Isn't?)
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2014
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Westaboos... they do exist!
*Americaboos
reverse Weeaboos?
...Reaboos? (Re:aboos)
Honeybooboos
Rawhide Kobayashis
but do you want to BECOME vista? that's the question ;)
Why do people think anime is so weird? They're literally just Japanese cartoons. Whenever I tell someone I like anime, they just look at me with a weird stare.
JadaGiraffe stereotypes of anime fans/nerds in general and the general view of animation being for kids
Screw them
different strokes for different folks...its because of norms and a few cultural differences between well known anime and western cartoons...and unfortunatley poeple see just a few odd examples of anime,and assume they are all like that...just like poeple see a few golden or silver age western cartoons and assume all western cartoons are for children.
Telling someone that you like cartoons: Oh cool do you like spongebob?
Telling someone that you like anime: Ew that's so weird and nerdy!
Okay then-
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Glad he didn't mention RWBY. Just imagine all the chaos in the comments section
And yet people are asking.
From his point of view it's not anime :D
RWBY is amwzing
What's the abbreviation
My sister loves RWBY
4:03 _"If a Japanese cartoon has western influence we still call it anime, so if a western cartoon has anime influence I see no reason to consider it anything other than a western cartoon"_ Thank you! Someone else finally said it!!!
I see NOBODY is rushing to call Fullmetal Alchemist or Cowboy Bebop a cartoon despite both having obvious western themes
I'm entirely willing to call certain Japanese animated series "cartoons" where it seems like the word applies. Take, for instance, the 1990s version of Moomins. It was originally distributed first in Japan, and the cast that worked on it were largely based in Japan, and was largely worked on by Japanese production companies. If I were to describe it to someone, it would occur to me to use the word "cartoon" before using the word "anime".
That's the first example that came to mind, but not the only one. Anpanman is another something I'd happily call a cartoon.
Fewer people are rushing to call FMA or Cowboy Bebop cartoons because they fit much more neatly into the overall conception of "anime", regardless of western influences.
An Anime is literally a japanese cartoon. So yes, no matter how many western influences it has, it's still an anime. A western cartoon trying to be anime can't be anime because it's a western cartoon. Yes, RWBY is an exception because the autor explicitly stated that the show is an _american_ Anime.
There is a difference between a Western cartoon with Anime influence and a Western made Anime. Avatar is an example of the former and RWBY is an example of the latter. Avatar is a western cartoon and RWBY is an anime made in the west.
@@Guy-cb1oh Yes exactly.
Ironically every cartoon is called anime in Japan. By that logic, Spongebob and Family guy are anime too. But that's not going to work for us westeners. So we have to differentiate between anime and other cartoons. I take my words back, anime is not only made in japan, but for me, and not only me there are criteria describing what's actually an anime and what's not.
I just love animation in general. As long as it's a good show, and keeps my interests, then we good. It just so happens Japan has blown me out of the water so many times with some amazing stuff, but never limit yourself to one country. You may be surprised.
You know what, Fuck it! We're all fan of animation, ultimately it doesn't matter were they come from or what we call it.
Besides, I've always found it easier to just say, "I'm a fan of animation" rather than just saying anime, because most people when they ask my hobby they have no idea what anime even is.
MrFlame6666 I always tell people that I analyze animation when asked (which is more true than anything else really).
I shall now refer to the original Transformers as a Cartoonime.
Personally, I find it simpler to call shows (nationality) cartoons, seeing as how, as was stated, anime and cartoon are basically synonymous. I suppose one could also use (nationality) anime, depending on preference.
Lag Incarnate It is Anime
Or use the language you're talking in.
Just spitting out the word anime in other languages to talk about cartoons is annoying. It's like mixing languages to seem cool.
Lag Incarnate same
Sometimes is not really obvious, specially distinguishing western cartoons. Shows made in France, or Canada look (to me; or at least I can't generalize) really similar to the ones produced in the US. Or Chinese "anime" vs Japan's
@Elisabelle Marie Alza (843elialza) that ending is kinda unnecessary
Chowder is the best anime ever.
*TRIGGERED*
Theres idiot thinks anime is everything
Jose Duron CHOWDER WASN'T MADE IN JAPAN STUPID YOUR BEING IMMATURE
Sorry for copying u KJS257 Inc Pen
Jose Duron yeah chowder is the best *American Cartoon show*
Most of the Japanese people feels that all animations are ANIME's regardless of origin. And they're the ones who coined the term anime. So does this basically means there's no such thing as cartoons for them?
Johny Quela lol good opinion
Transformers started as a japanese toyline but the characters started from the marvel comics, basically it's both.
When I see someone asking for Anime recommendation, I take it as them asking for recommendations for animated shows from Japan. So when someone replies with Avatar, they aren't really recommending what that person asked for.
Lol, I've been in that situation before
FRFR YES.
I’m Japanese and I just asked my mom, my sister and three of my other Japanese friends that live in Japan and they said if it’s animated it’s anime. So spongebob is a anime.
なんかアニメが英語になったらとつぜん意味が違った気がするんだけど…クラスでポケモンがアニメじゃないって言う人がいて、日本人の友達もポケモンはアニメだよ言っても聞かないんだけど…
But more importantly ATLA is as well
Joel Johnson I didn’t watch avatar
@@K0alaBairs I would highly recommend it. It's on Netflix
Calling a western cartoon "anime" just because it's well produced and high-quality is seriously demeaning to western animation in general which can be good in its own right. It's basically "this is good, unlike all these other shitty western cartoons, so I'm gonna call it anime because anime is good"
It also gives a bit too much credit to anime, not all of which is good
This is why I call myself an animation fan, just makes every thing a fudge ton easier, great vid Digi.
And I don't think anyone knows what to do with Transformers.
transformers is very obviously a cartoon
I like how you put avatar(anime inspired cartoon) and “panty&stocking with garberelt” (cartoom inspired anime)
Major props for this editing, Davoo did a great job. You could have presented this live in a Powerpoint and would still look good.
Thank you so much for uploading this. I have to write a speech for a class im taking and my topic is anime, but i needed a source of information. You're video is perfect.
There are reasons why I label myself as a fan of art and animation and not specifically a fan of anime/manga, or cartoons/comics. I love it all.
I also tend to reference things either being Western, or Eastern, animation with the home country of the production studio being the only deciding factor with Anime specially being animation originating in Japan.
This is coming from a guy who has been watching, what one might call Anime, since the 80s and people often didn't even know what was airing wasn't Western animation. Not to mention the early popular stuff in the 90s that was originally referred to as Japanimation.
I cannot help but be reminded of when Rein: The Conqueror aired on Cartoon Network and there seemed to be an endless discussion of whether or not it was anime. There was a lot of debate over the visual style, as it did not seem to fit with what people were familiar with from other popular anime, at the time, nor did it look like your traditional western animation. Far as I, and others, were concerned it was produced by an anime company and is based on a Japanese manga, so there for it's an anime, regardless of style, end of story.
Though, speaking of things based on manga, could they make an anime for All You Need is Kill already? Not that Edge of Tomorrow is bas movie, hell I loved it more than I expected, I would just rather see an adaptation more closely fitting to the source material. I'm not alone in that, am i?
Jay Hindman The only problem with adapting AYNIK is that it's so short, yet just long enough that it might not fit comfortably into a movie. It would still be pretty cool though, especially if they used ABe's designs (though I feel like they'd probably use Obata's instead).
Master Clockwork You mean Redekai Conquer The Kairu. It was made in Canada 🇨🇦 and France 🇫🇷 it just has anime style to it
Personally there are distinctions between anime and cartoons, but I'll never understand the anger anime fans have when someone calls their shows cartoons.
P.S. - I just noticed the Animal Crossing music!
Ninja Slayer isn't actually adapted from an american webcomic. Ninja Slayer started as a series of posts on twitter "translating" an american novel. However this novel doesn't exist, it's part of the joke. The series was created by Honda Yu and Sugi Leika, two japanese men, and was nevern American to begin with.
Haha, so you caught Hatsune Miku on Letterman too? Have to say, those are two names I never expected to see together. Woah, 2:44 Twilight Sparkle called, she wants her hair back...
TheDavoo You just reminded me that the first time I ever heard of MLP:FiM was when my cousin said on facebook that the only shows she was watching were Panty and Stockign and MLP, and she'd posted P&S ponies on her wall. At the time I hadn't understood that it was a new pony show though.
***** It's too bad PSG only lasted as long as MLP season 3.
. . . Now I really want to find the King of the Hill and Lucky Star crossover fanfiction, because that picture near the end makes a convincing case for it.
To me, something that defines anime is also a cultural influence. Characters in Japanese animes just ACT differently than western characters.
Sounds right
nope. both are the same.
To me there is a third category that can make things so much more simpler, cartoon hybrid. Any cartoon that takes inspiration from a culture yet keeps a little of its own is a hybrid which you can call either a western cartoon or anime depending on your preference, like Avatar.
Anime are cartoons that stay in Japanese style. If someone in America could make a cartoon that stays true to Japanese style with no traces of western culture then you honestly need to call it anime. Same thing goes for western cartoons, if someone in Japan can make a cartoon that stays true to western style with no traces of Japanese style then you can’t call it anime.
Categorizing a cartoon from where it came from honestly makes no sense to me and just makes things more complex than it has to be.
It depends on the anime. Some act differently and others don't.
@Michal Nazareth just because it better doesn't make it not cartoon.
The editing is top notch, I've always found your content to be amazing but not the best when it comes to presentation, but now it's all good
I was just gonna say great editing!! I really like effectively cover every talking point. great video
I was about to say the editing was really excellent as a compliment, and then you got to the end! Well, good job to theDavoo then! lol
I agree with your point though, I've always had the same opinion. As a librarian, this is actually a problem to us! When we get in dvds for shows like Avatar, we always debate whether or not to put it in the "anime" section instead of the "children's" section. I argue for the "anime" section only because it's in the adult area and teenagers will be embarrassed to go into the "kiddy room" to get Avatar. I guess that's a problem of the system thinking that all cartoons = for young children though.
TheDavoo we DO have "adult cartoons" (simpsons, family guy etc) but they go into the tv series section, because those always come in boxed sets. Avatar-- at least, the first series, came out in one by one DVD installments, and we don't put those in the TV series section. Korra may be coming out in boxed sets, but still, because it's not explicitly "adult" it gets put in the kiddie section. It drives me nuts, but libraries tend to go with how the Library of Congress has originally cataloged something, so unless the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS starts taking the broader audience into account, this will continue.
This is a really ass backwards problem actually-- our vendors, the dealers that we get our materials from, don't sell the boxed sets that many anime typically come in these days. For example, we can't get the latest Attack on Titan DVD release, which is a half-season set, through our vendors. We have to go through Amazon or Funimation. And libraries rarely, if ever, will go outside their vendors to get a material, because that material will then have to be processed through our systems by hand instead of through the vendor supplied information. It's really a mess, and it's why most anime section in libraries are so lacklustre when the graphic novel sections are healthier than ever.
Also, I'm the youngest BY FAR (23) worker in the tech services department, which handles all these systems and requests, and I'm the only one that understands how anime works (as well as video games and graphic novels). The back-ends of most libraries are middle-aged or elderly women who aren't "up" on stuff and don't understand niche interests. Our intake specialist didn't even know what Star Wars was...And that's fine, I don't expect them to understand, again, it's a very niche passion, but I feel bad for all the nerdy kids that hang out at our library that want these things, and we can't always get them for them.
/rant
also great job on the editing, it looked really good! :3
THANK YOU
I was just searching for videos or articles of this sort yesterday
The lines were blurred early on. The Rankin Bass animations were done in Japan and they all have a very distinct anime look. The TMS shows were made in Japan for the US market (like Galaxy High, Drak Pack, Bionic Six) and are essentially anime.
Finally I have been thinking for this too long
This reminds me of the millions of JRPG vs WRPG arguments I've seen.
Assuming that "anime" only means "an animated video made for Japanese people by Japanese people", then what exactly *does* group them, if not a similar presentation? If they have vastly differing styles and content, then what do they have in common that is worthy of being a fan of them as a whole? Is being from Japan the only reason? Why be a fan of something only because it's from Japan (or anywhere else for that matter)?
To address your third, and fourth questions, "Is being from Japan the only reason?" etc.
A lot of kids, particularly teenagers, go through a phase in life where they're either gonna like "anime" or hate everything animated, because "its too kiddie"... They like anime because, as teenagers, they're still very much kids inside, and want some form of entertainment media that's acceptable as a reasonable substitute for cartoons that would otherwise make them seem immature.
Japanese anime (here in the US) is widely viewed as something for a more "mature teen" audience, even though there are clearly many variations for all age groups. It fills the unhappy void left by the thought that they have to "grow up", thinking that if they don't cut everything that made their childhood out of their lives, then they'll be perceived as some kind of loser by their peers. And even then, there's no guarantee of success that they'll dodge bullet of perceived immaturity.
I can very easily imagine that many of the people here, whether they're teens or older fans of Digi, have experienced exactly these frustrating issues in their own high school lives. They don't need to be afraid of what they like, and the people who make them feel these fears aren't worth their precious time.
All that said, and its still not the full scope of things. Really, most people probably couldn't tell you why they specifically like "anime from Japan" versus anything made anywhere else. Which is why most adults here in the west view being an "otaku" as such a negative anomaly, though funnily enough, so do the adults in Japan. ^-^;
I'll just keep calling Western animation anime.
Because it's hilarious to see how pissed off anime fans get.
I know right I remember pissing off someone because I said Spongebob was anime
😂 True!
I think the new Ghost in the Shell live action movie is an anime! ;p
My cousin who lives in Japan calls RWBY an Anime...
My friends say RWBY is not an Anime...
(^_^)
One of the voice actresses in RWBY got a guest spot at the anime voice actors panel at dragon con 2016, so I think it is.
More people need to see this. Back in high school, idiots used to always say that Avatar/Korra, Boondocks, and especially Teen Titans were anime. I tried explaining to them very similar to how this video does, but they insisted that they were anime.
So, in Japan, toy story is technically anime?
Yes!
It depends on the context. In japan anime can mean either cartoons in general or mean what it means in the west.
no because toy story is american made and is only dubbed in japanese, To be a anime you have to be made by a japanese company
The thing about G1 Transformers is while the series was produced for the western audience Takara saw how popular the series was in the US and decided to bring it back over to Japan re-branding the toy line and dubbing the TV series in japanese which became very popular.But while the TV show ended in 1987 in the US Takara took over the TV series and made seasons exclusively for japanese audiences such as The Headmasters,Masterforce,Victory and the OVAs Scramble city and Zone. So to say is Transformers an anime my answer would be Yes and No
Saving this for later, have those shows been subbed yet?
Yes they have The Headmasters,Masterforce and Victory all have DVD boxsets from Shout! factory
Not to mention Beast Wars the Second, Beast Wars Neo, Car Robots (RID in the states) Micron Legend (Armada), Super Link (Energon), and Galaxy Force (Cybertron). So yeah Transformers is probably the only series that could be defined as both cartoon and anime.
BBmetalhead04
Very true
1:01, the start of Anime as we know of it started with Osamu Tezuka, and it is a timely reminder that you had the picture from one of the books about him show up on that time frame of 1:01
My definition of anime:
A cartoon made in japan that has a certain art style and character design.
u shouldve used animation instead of cartoon, using cartoon just makes it seem like animes are inspired by cartoons which in reality its the other way around, cartoons are western animation and anime is japanese animation
LuffyD but some anime’s are made in different countries so do those count
I tend to define the animation based on where it was produced, rather than where the writers or animators are from. If it was produced in Japan I think of it as anime; if it was produced in the west I think of it as western animation. Something like The Last Unicorn was Japanese animation, but I don't think of it as anime because it was a western production.
Western shows that have a clear anime influence like Avatar or Teen Titans I usually refer to as animesqe.
most cartoons today are produced in korea.
@MidoriMushrooms you missed their point it just flew right over your head :P
Calliope Pony I believe that you are confusing "produced at" with "animated at".
*Calliope Pony*
How would you define the *Deltora Quest* then? It was made by Australian, but animated by Japanese?
“There aren’t as many anime’s for little girls or young woman” THIS IS WHY WE HAVE MAGICAL GIRLS!
That part of the video wasnt about whether there ARE said shows, but rather referring to the fact that those types of shows aren't the ones that usually get localized on TV.
Lot of content this week. Good job.
I love to think of anime as a cartoon style too since its so widespread. Pretty cool how there's different styles now.
its also interesting to note that anime is typically fully animated by the time the VAs dub it over, whereas western cartoons are only storyboarded by the time the dialogue is read, which leads to tighter lip-syncing. to me thats the real difference between cartoons and anime :)
killerofallgames when I said "differences in animation style" I was mostly referring to this. There are exceptions though, some anime have been recorded Western style (Red Garden and Kure-nai for instance)
I think when I was in junior high, I read a manga called Dramacon written and drawn by a westerner (I think she was russian-american, not that it matters). In the manga she talked about how western artists who intentionally try to draw, write, and sell their own manga are often discredited by buyers because it's not authentic. As if being japanese, and there by giving the 'official anime stamp of approval' somehow legitimizes the manga. That's the only problem I have with this whole debate. I don't know if her argument is valid or real or outdated but I think your point at the end, saying that all in all it really doesn't matter, was very important.
I just tend to go with wether or not the creators think of the show as anime
So I agree with your opinion because I find it reasonable, but then I see a bunch of people losing their shit in the comments saying how stupid your opinion was. People need to calm down a bit, it was just an opinion. They don't need to burn down a forest over it.
Also I luff Inuyasha and Adventure Time :3 some of my favorite shows. (I hardly watch anything that isn't animated)
anime: a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
japanese: relating to Japan or its language, culture, or people.
I didn't make these definitions up, it's clear it doesn't actually have to be made in japan that's just usually what ends up happening.
anime is just a english loan word from animation actually.
Sooooo... what about the mysterious cities of gold? It was a combo-project between a japanese studio and a french studio..... so is that one just based on what language you watch it in?
Huh, I was actually wanting to make a video on this exact topic, using pretty much the same argument. (though probably not worded as well) Well, saves me the trouble, I guess.
Either way, I'm glad there's a video out now that makes this argument, that I can just point to in the future. Even though I can't watch all of your videos (for spoiler reasons) it's fantastic content like this that makes me glad I'm one of your Patrons.
genial el video, gracias por subirlo, te lo agradesco mucho, tienes mucho talento
espero con ansias ver mas, sigue asi
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Anime is a Japanese colloquialism which comes from shortening the word "animation."
My sister pointed out the reason why cartoons like Avatar look like anime but not quite is because they actually draw distinguishable noses. Which I actually think would be awesome to see more of.
A lot of characters in many japanese series are ridiculously similar to one another, often times with the same face, only being distinguishable by their hair style, hair color, eye color...
Dan-The-Man avatar was animated in korea
koreans do cartoonime duh!
06:00 ... That picture though... Priceless
Oh, that was cool. The Davoo comments on these videos literally all of the time and idk, it's really cool to see fans dipping their hands in the project. (? lol)
Honestly, in the end, unless you really want to convince a hardcore otaku who absulutely despise anything made in the west (which doesn't seems like a very open-minded person but whatever), then convincing that a western show count as anime is pretty shallow. In the end, what matters is: is the show any good, and does it correspond to your tastes? if so, then enjoy!
I think it's pointless to invent new genres by the country of origin. Where it comes from, has no bearing on how the work turns out. A japanese person can play nordic folk metal, as much as a hungarian person, traditional japanese music. If there really is no distinction between anime and regular cartoons, than the term is pretty much pointless.
I'll continue to call things anime, by how they look.
As years go by and cultures cross pollinate, the distinction becomes gradually less meaningful. However, it hasn't reached that point yet. Up til dubstep showed up you could use reggae and Jamaican music interchangeably without confusing anyone.
I agree with you 100%.
Is One Piece anime?
It really comes down to whether you want 'anime' to be defined but useless or useless but defined.
That’s the thing. It’s NOT a genre. It’s a MEDIUM.
I want to throw it out there, that around 2004 there was a show that lasted 3 seasons, around 36 episodes in total called "Hi hi Puffy AmyYumi" an american-made cartoon that follows popular Japan duo Ami Onuki and Yumi Yoshimura.
So it's a cartoon, inspired by a Japanese group.
Fun fact: Ami and Yumi sang the theme song for Teen Titans
I cannot love this enough!
I've always thought it to be worth discussing other cultures' perspectives on Western Film and Animation. How about a video on what kinds of Western Animation are popular in Japan, and what they like and dislike in Western cartoons?
I just refer to all animated shows/movies as that.. animated show/movie.
{sry 4 my english} ok i know theres whole anime/cartoon arguments and discussions going on in the comments but at the end with all those cartoon shows specifically at 6.22 in the video who else almost broke a tear for all those old school cartoons man i not guna cry uuugghhh my childhood.
I'm honestly so tired of this discussion that quite frankly I don't see why animation in general can't be considered anime.
If *all animation* = Anime, then there wouldn't be any issues, but instead we all resort to our own definitions.
Anime if made in Japan by Japanese Studio.
Anime if made in Japan.
Anime if made by Japanese studio.
Anime if it has a "Japanese" style.
*Anime if it's animated*
The bolded option causes the least debate and makes more sense, due to the fact that Anime literally was supposed to just mean animation. Anime is essentially an abbreviation.
When Americans try to make something anime-like (like Teen Titans, Avatar) I call them "Amine" :-)
If Japan make anime like cartoon stayl what you call it?
Japoon?
Teen Titans and avatar isn't the only popular American series that looks badass
@@4gagecs849 not true, I love it and heck no it is not an anime.
@@4gagecs849 almost all avatar fans didn't like it to be called anime
I've an open question.
I'm from Portugal, I'd consider myself a storyteller, and the means I prefer to tell my stories are visual, more specifically, by illustration. I favor a more animanga-esque style, and I desire to produce manga-styled comic books, even if I still have to learn a lot about certain work processes for manga creation.
My question is this: if any future work that I would create were to be adapted into an animated series, would it being called an anime or a cartoon then solely rely upon the studio that was animating it, if my work was technically manga?
Heck, let's take it even further with my favorite two examples: Zombiesmile's "Crash-n-Burn", which is created and developed in Germany, or Mark Crilley's "Brody's Ghost", which is created and developed in the US, if either of these two pieces of western MANGA were to be adapted into an animated series, would their "definition" still be left to where the studio, producing the adaptation, is from?
Hen LP All comes down to personal opinion, but for me I wouldn't consider it anime if it's not from Japan. That's my personal hard-and-fast rule, but I could see why for, say, marketing or promotional purposes calling it anime might more conveniently get it to its intended audience.
***** So is this argument only for animation, or would you follow it up towards illustrative work as well?
I would, although I kind of like the term "original English language (OEL) manga," especially for stuff that actually reads right-to-left and really mirrors the coloring and panel layout styles more common to manga.
***** I don't think Crash'n'Burn or Brody's Ghost read right-to-left, but in terms of everything else, they are essentially manga, even from certain cultural aspects, as the authors have been involved in japanese culture during periods of residence in Japan.
+Hen LP
Can your art really be called manga, or should it be classified as comics like other western based works? What if the next issue of Superman was given to a Japanese publisher, read right to left, and used all Japanese speech bubbles? What if DC comics bought up the right to a manga series and continued the art style?
This is why I don't like this debate, too many "what if's" and too many unnecessary divisions in art.
I was a little confused during the video but the ending made it quite clear. But yeah, it's pretty much the same argument I use when I'm discussing Anime vs. Cartoons. And I seriously find it totally silly for people having said debates in the first place.
This video is listed on the official course syllabus for the CIEE "JAPN 2004 TOJA: Japanese Popular Culture" program
Anime (made for a Japanese audience by a Japanese studio) .... anime inspired cartoons (Avator , Teen Titans etc) .
I don't see why this is so hard for people to wrap their heads around
Proton Reviews and Fan edits First of all, anime isn't a genre. Secondly, it's a Japanese loanword. It has no requirements to be considered anime aside from the fact that it's animated. But since it's a term borrowed from Japan, it's used to refer to animated products that come from Japan. Avater and the like are shows visually inspired by stylistic movements within anime.
Avatar the last airbender is also anime inspired
Because then it doesn't mean anything. It says nothing about the content of the production. It would he akin to saying that a grilled cheese and a pizza are the same just because I made them both in my kitchen.
Rwby?
How about we just say "I like watching animation" and be done with it?
Because we don't know what that means.
Because Americans don’t know the difference between Animation and Cartoons. Much less the difference between Cartoons and Anime.
THANK YOU. Thank you. thank you. thank you.
I've been trying to put this into words for YEARS and never been able to do it right, but you've done it perfectly.
I love your channel aaahhhh~
While classifying Japanese cartoons as anime, it helps differentiate between them, and I even do this too, what most people mean by anime is Nihon'noanime or in English, Japanese animation
I too concider animation created by Japanese aimed at Japanese audience but don't really like debating over wheter something is anime or not. This is mainly because I enjoy every form of animation, from doll animation and silhouette animation to cartoons and 3D animation. (I'll get to watching Ronia the robber's daughter, that 3D-heavy anime by Polygon, eventually...) The point is, I don't care where it's been made as long as it looks nice. I can even bear pretty bad animation as long as the other aspects of the series are good.
Also, was that image of Scrooge McDuck picked at random or did you (or Davoo) decide to use one by Don Rosa? Like a whole lot of Finns, I have grown up with Donald Duck comics and think Don Rosa is the best duck artist. (a huge part of why we Finns fancy his work is that he had made a comic centered around Finnish folklore.) I know the duck comics aren't concidered as important in US as they are in Finland, but have you read the comics by Don Rosa? If not, I highly recommend all of them, especially the one with Helsinki and Kalevala (I have no idea of its name in English but I'm sure you'll find it with Don Rosa and Kalevala.)
Thanks for putting up another video, I really enjoy your work.
PS. If Wikipedia told me Kalevala is Kalevala in English, then it must be true.
I just call Avatar/The Last Airbender/or Legend of Korra.. Anime-Like/or Anime-Style..
*****
What about European made shows directed for American audience?.. Like W.I.T.C.H. or Totally Spies?
I think that this video is pretty well complimented with this video: Is Avatar: The Last Airbender Anime? | Idea Channel | PBS Digital Studios
I'm not arguing anything one way or another because tbh the whole "what is anime" question is too much opinion based to have any definitive answer in my opinion, but I really like to see well explained view points from other people.
Good work Digi, very interesting and I learned something.
Anyone know what the anime at 2:30 with the dog in a space suit was?
Thank you. I absolutely agree that it is such a moot point that it just don't matter at all.
Who tf is Annie May
I don't consider myself an anime fan. All I've really seen of it are a few seasons of Pokemon and few episodes of Voltron. That's the thing about anime. As you pointed out, it's very broad. I don't know how much of it I'd have to watch before I am an anime fan. And then there's the way my mind works where the threat of just being consumed by it is a possibility.
However, I have become a fan of various works that bear the influence of anime like the aforementioned Avatar and Nickelodeon's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I don't know if My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic counts as such. Certainly, the smackdown Twilight and Tirek had in "Twilight's Kingdom" also bore the influence of anime. For me, I've always leaned on the fact that in Japan Anime refers to all animation. You also pointed out that that Japanese Anime has always been influenced by Western Animation. And now we've seen in recent years that Western Animation has been influenced by Japanese Anime. So, what we've been seeing these days is just a much stronger cross-pollination. In the West, we don't really make much of a distinction between American or European cartoons. I think the longs are blurring to such an extent that eventually we won't really feel the need to make a distinction between Western Animation and Japanese Anime.
In this matter, what makes me laugh the most is the fact that everyone singles out the work of Hayao Miyazaki as something special, despite the fact that the director calls 80% of his product cartoons for children.
Couldn't have explained it better myself. Well done.
Nice video, but why did you have to spoil the fight with Zaheer like that, his flying is a major turning point in the show and you just kinda spoiled it right there.
OfficialFatherBeat I haven't actually seen that far into Korra, but I wouldn't have known it was a spoiler until you pointed it out lol.
***** TheDavoo Yeah, it's not TOO big of a deal, seeing most people will probably just think nothing of it. Just try and avoid doing that next time you throw snippets of shows into your videos.
its an old show
Another topic that needs to be touched on is the humor. Humor in anime is much much much different than that of an american cartoon.I was watching My Little Pony with some Japanese students and even though they enjoyed it over all a lot of the humor that is intended for Western audiences is lost on the Eastern ones.Just like when I watch anime a lot of jokes have little subtitles explaining the joke or pun to a Western Audience because other wise I am left confused as hell as to why my Japanese friend just fell out of her chair laughing and I was like, "Wait bug and cow makes a pun in Japanese?"
I think that's more of a cultural context thing but I suppose the point of the vid was that the difference comes down solely to cultural influence so... maybe?
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Well that's kind of what I was saying, it's the culture that makes the show anime or cartoon.
I can't wait until humans have mixed into one single race like Southpark said, everything will be easier.
Either that or people will make synthetic races (cyborgs, genetically modified, etc.) and then we can have super racism!
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I watched this is class when we were learning about anime, we also wrote an essay on spirited away lol
I'm an animation fan. I like animation from every country.
I love the work from a French Company called Marathon, these include shows like Martin Mystery, Totally Spies, and Team Galaxy. All shows that I can in all truth say that I enjoy even today.
America has Adventure Time, Steven Universe, The Simpsons, and South Park.
Canada has 6Teen, Total Drama Island, Gi-Gata Defenders, The Adventures of Tintin, Cybersix, Reboot, Ed Edd and Eddy, and The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
And Japan has a lot of good things that I will not list off.
no need to list, you already say it, there is a lot of good stuff.
This is the only smart video he has
I'm a simple person, I see panty and stocking, I click.
What she said was correct.the difference between anime and normal cartoon is how the animation can speak with you emotianally.sometimes they are an anime character that relatable to yourself in personality or life until you can understand what those character has been through like losing your family,losing your hearing,losing your job,been bullied in school and more .thats why sometime you will attached with anime character that you like.they are some anime that can make you cry and make you wonder how I can cry because of a story that not even real?yeah,anime basically mean animation so you can called it Japanese cartoon although some of anime watchers like me or others didn't like to hear that...unlike normal cartoon,anime concept and categories is really vast like sports,romance,space,animal,mysteries,machine,occupation,history and others.the surrounding in anime sometimes really detailed.the plot is also sometimes complex like time travel concept,the used of word or dialogue is vast,the plot is heavy sometime, the goreness and many more.meanwhile normal cartoon targeted towards kids. anime is marketed toward all ages. Usually anime was targeted toward 4 categories like kids, shonen(teenagers),seinen(adult),
shoujo(girl teenagers) and adult woman(I don't remember it's name).if you wanted to know why they are a lot of adult watch anime,it was because according to pschology ,every adult usually sometime have childish behavior in themselves that they doesn't know or doesn't show it.thats why anime is a medium that can let them release their childishness or tension without watching kid cartoon with too much fantasy plot and too restricted for kid content by watching an animation with heavier and complexed plot.thats why us as anime watchers don't like when people called anime a "Chinese cartoon,Japanese cartoon or for kids" because it's like those people as if trying to compared animes with those cartoon for kids.unless the cartoon got a complexed plot or the content is heavier and vast and not recsricted for kids,I can called that an anime.sometime it's okay to take a break from reality for a while and for me anime is a medium that can make me feel wanted to live in their fantasy world and I loved it.if some of you guys wanted to starting watched an anime,I can recommend you some anime that can change your perspective about anime compared to normal cartoon.i hope this long explanation can make some people understand what is anime and the difference between anime with a cartoon.thank you for reading this.
There are interesting parallels in the music world: what is jazz vs. concert music and what is opera vs. musical theatre? While the urexamples might seem clear (obviously Beethoven 9 is not jazz and Louis Armstrong is; obviously Verdi is opera and Rogers and Hammerstein is MT), there are many works that really straddle the line, e.g. Rhapsody in Blue (heavily jazz influenced but intended to be a piano concerto), Gilbert and Sullivan (lighter in tone and less serious in presentation than most opera, but still called opera), Les Miserables (very serious and vocally demanding but considered music theatre). Oddly, musicologist have basically just defined them solely by cultural context and nothing else: MT happens on Broadway, opera happens at the Met. I think a similar approach could be used here.
Cory in the house best anime
TobiReaper its not even animated
its live action
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You already answered the question in the first few seconds: anime is short for animation. So that makes Attack on Titan just as much an anime as South Park or Mr. Pickles.
Because words get diffrent meaninigs in diffrent places. If you take a word and find it's source you'll see that most of the words meanings got lost or changed. Also there's already the word "cartoon" so there's no point on using the world "anime" uneless you give it another meaning. In western countries the word anime is adapted as "Japanese cartoons" there's no point in changing it.
IAmTheMikko the correct term should be animation, since cartoons are a kind of drawing, one that's used in a lot of animations, but not a synonymous of animation
Please look in a dictionary. Anime refers to animation from Japan that has explicit content, cartoon refers to animation regardless of origin of country.
IAmTheMikko Cartoons don't showcase the violence, the sexual nature, or explore the themes that may not be appropriate for a younger western audience that are within anime, so besides that content with the references being aimed at a Japanese culture you also have the origin of the animation that makes anime that definition. "Japanese film and television animation, often intended for a mature audience" - Australian Oxford Dictionary, 2nd Edition
IAmTheMikko It's not far from being a defining attribute due to the majority of anime consisting of those things, whereas western animation doesn't contain that content predominately. Yes there's anime that's aimed at children, you still though have character deaths, and violence with some sexual jokes in shows like Naruto, and Dragon Ball, and most anime is aimed at an older audience. About four percent is aimed at children and family, whereas the rest is aimed at teenagers and an older audience, about 16 percent is aimed at an adult audience (28. Rorico's Anime Truths: Generalizations, Statistics, and Demographics). That besides mentioning the obvious country origin that's made for a Japanese audience, and references and norms that's native to a Japanese audience.
The question I've usually heard is, "Does anime count as cartoons?" and I think the answer is a definitive "yes." As far as I know, "cartoon" just means a piece of visual art that was drawn (regardless of if it was by hand or digitally). After all, political cartoons are cartoons. I'd put anime as a subset of "animated cartoons," which is a subset of "cartoon," and it sounds ridiculous if you say, "Anime is different from animated cartoons."
I still don't know how to answer people asking, "Does [X] count as anime?" I'd say Japanese animation qualifies as anime, and while you could use the term "anime" to refer to any animation, I find that it's not worth the trouble (but I guess you aren't technically wrong for doing it). That said, I find that there are a bunch of cases that aren't clear-cut, and I don't feel like there's a fulfilling method of categorizing all of them effectively.
I was thinking about this for... reasons... and I got thinking, do you think the fact that what we call anime is originally dubbed over the animation and cartoons are animated over the voices during production might factor in that feeling of authenticity that Japanese animes have that western anime inspired cartoons lack?
Is CyberSix an anime?
The important thing to remember is that アニメ is a Japanese word, and anime is an English word with a Japanese origin. They should not be considered synonymous.
I guess you can only make tacos in mexico.
Western visual art and animation with anime style influence is called ANIMESQUE. Look up the word on TV Tropes
You sir just broadcast-ed the vast majority of my views on this argument and may have just earned my subscriptions.
Everything that is animated or a cartoon is anime. EVERYTHING.
Then there's no reason to use the word unless you're speaking in Japanese as "animation" already has the same meaning, rendering "anime" pointless.
MikkoLovesGaming Correct. That's why I call them cartoons.
LN2233 So, you do the exact opposite of what you stated in your first comment then? lol
MikkoLovesGaming My main comment was pointed at Japanese people. I see them as cartoons though.
LN2233 But this video isn't about the word's use in Japanese language where it's the essentially only word for all animation. It's about the foreign language term's use in languages where there are already words for mostly the same purpose.
If it ain't made in Japan it ain't anime, and if it ain't made in the west then it ain't a cartoon.
Arguments for what makes anime a Japanese-exclusive genre are flimsy at best.
1. Made in Japan: Most cartoons today, including anime, are made in Korea. Some even came from China.
2. Created by Japanese people: Monty Oum being part Japanese would make "RWBY" an anime then. Same with the Food Chain episode from "Adventure Time" and the "Mindful Education" episode of "Steven Universe" since they had Japanese guest animators.
3. Aired/distributed in Japan first: "Space Dandy" was distributed in the West before Japan.
4. Intended for a Japanese audience: "The Big O" was heavily geared toward a Western audience.
5. Heavily tied to Japanese culture: That would exclude "Berserk," "Soul Eater," and most of "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure."
Rabid Savage I'm pretty sure there is a term for Korean animation
What it is made by a japanese person who lives in the west?
that makes no sense as it makes the definitions unworkable
there are plenty of Japanese anime that aren't made in Japan
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Further complexity comes from someone's intent when they say "cartoon". For some people, they mean "animation" when they say "cartoon", for some people they mean "western animation". But some people use it to describe comical animation with an exaggerated art style. Which is probably the most correct as the word "cartoon" originated with newspaper cartoons, which were comical and had exaggerated artstyles.
I find this entire argument to be extremely problematic. What about RWBY? Where does that fit into your definition of an anime? It's made entirely by Americans, initially for an English speaking audience, and yet, it's been licensed, and is going to be released in Japan. Then, of course, there's the fact that the creators of RWBY are all fans of anime and set out to make one. To make an anime was literally their intention. Are we, the anime community, really telling them that they aren't allowed? That what they've made isn't anime? Just because they aren't Japanese? Who the hell are we to decide that?
Yeah...I think we can all agree that anime doesn't really have a very defined term.
I thought that was a french animation tbh, it looks as ghetto as all the other french anime...
Even Japan itself treats it like anime!
Anime is short for animation. Whoever has a problem with this needs to start from a dictionary and work their way up to a thesaurus. Anything that is animated can be defined as anime.
if all you go on with definitions are the literal dictionary ones then you must be really socially awkward and a pain in the ass to talk to.
This debate is so stupid. If it is animation made in Japan, it is anime. Avatar is not an anime. I don't understand why people so fervently argue that it is, as if the term "anime" is some pristine standard to the point that if someone says, "avatar is not an anime" they take it as an insult to the show. Anime is not some exclusive club of perfect shows. Cowboy bebop is an anime. It is great! Avatar is an animation/cartoon (non-japanese) and it is great! However, regardless of which you think is better, one was made in Japan and the other was not. Anime is animations made in Japan, regardless of art-style.
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I say anime is an art style.