Avatar is an Anime. F*** You. Fight Me.
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2017
- It's the eternal debate. Mostly because people like me won't let it die. Are shows like Avatar, Voltron, and Steven Universe anime?
Yes they are. 1v1 me weebs.
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A fight between Saitama and Aang would definitely have no hair-pulling.
10/10 best comment I've seen all day
GG YOU WIN, BEAR MY CHILD.
Damn that is clever.
comedy gold
Aang had hair
Maybe the real anime was the friends we made along the way
Best comment na
Like the friends on his shirt.
you're my favourite
illdiewithoutpi don't fucking touch me
Lucas that was so cheesy. I LOVE IT!
Even if you don’t think Avatar is an anime, you have to acknowledge that it’s a gateway to anime.
I do think it is an anime
Its not japanese anime its americananime
@@astronomical3342 yes but it's still anime regardless
@@holycrusader7649 Well technically anything animated is anime from Japan but the only difference is in the west we make the differentiation of anime but Japan has a different style of it which some shows try going for it even if it’s a us show.
@@holycrusader7649 Atleast that’s what I heard idk if they actually say anime in Japan as a term or something but I do know it basically means animation for short.
"If you draw knowledge from only a single source, it becomes rigid and stale" -Iroh
the wisdom he lays down there is relevant, not just in the context of his lesson, but also to this argument.
my definition is if I can show it to my mum and she'll say "is this one of your Narutos?" then it's an anime
LOL
E-QoN good meme
Yeah, except for my mum it's Goku. I was shocked the first time she even said his name... Well, she was an attentive mother.
why isn't this official yet
E-QoN best definition
Is mayonnaise an anime?
Maybe. Out of context, it could have a very prominent role in many animated videos... like the ones that you could find in the back of the old movie stores behind the beaded curtain.
No Patrick, mayonnaise is not an anime...
Horseradish is not an anime either.
Yes it is, mayo.
· 0xFFF1 yes
I know that i'm freaking two years late, but, a good thing to point out is that, No Game no Life was written by a Brazilian guy, like, the original ligth novels are brazilian!
There we go. See I’m starting to think that a lot of people are retard-
Is it really made by a Brazilian author?
But it was animated in japan which makes it anime
@@demiiurges5797 But it's not a manga
@@worthas7196 that doesnt matter animations made in japan are anime
Let me just clear something up. It doesn't matter if Avatar is an Anime or not. Being an Anime doesn't reduce the show's overall awesome quality.
To me it feels like calling it an anime reduces the value of American cartoons and animation, because you're basically saying "Oh it's not like THOSE series, no, it belongs with these Japanese shows."
@Tom Ffrench You can. This world has evolved beyond the confines of our borders. The explosion of the techniques ,style and storytelling conventions of japanese animation as well as the acceptance of snimated content produced not Japan, sometimes not even by japanese people as anime,, the ever expanding market make animr more than simply cartoons made in the Land of the Rising Sun.
It's like (extremely pedantically) insisting Hamburgers are still exclusivelly a German food coming solely from the city of Hamburg and saying somehow it has not changed so much to encompass all manner of different sandwiches today.
@Tom Ffrench that was talked about in the video. anime isnt a single movement, but half a dozen movements. one single movement isnt near large enough to contain anime.
Yet nobody said otherwise
I guess you could technically call it an anime since the west is the only place that says it’s anime, but anime is basically anything animated, but we define it as anime animation style from Japan but some cartoons have some inspiration from it. A lot of people would consider the boondocks hey it’s a black anime, or the Cartoon Network 2002 teen titans show, idk about Hi hi puffy amiyumi though but I guess, and stuff like kappa Mikey
Omg his shirt is so fucked up omg I can't stop laughing
The 1 and only He will go straight to hell
I just noticed that, too xD
The 1 and only I saw a guy on FB from my friends list wear it, which got a lot of attention. It was hilarious.
that shirt is just fucked up! xD
Ah Nina jokes~
The fastest route to Hell since terrorist humor~
Avatar has a beach episode. It's an anime.
Horricule fair enough
I agree
lol - he didn't mention that
Horricule but wat about da kids
I totally agree
He’s talking so controversial about the fact that Avatar is anime but all I’m thinking about is why he has such a cursed shirt
Ed…ward?
Oh no why.
Aang I think at least would be a high rank A hero and btw he’d ace the hero test in mha too
I’d be tempted to say at least low S, I don’t feel like he’d lose to Puri Puri Prisoner
Yeah, with the avatar state on mind his earth bending can be at least scaled of of boomie who recked omashu in like 8 muinets, and he raised the sea whith his water and could full on fly with air, so id say things like that along with his light speed reactions and pretty good durability would put him maybe mid s
He'd be a low ranked hero like Saitama because he'd be too busy helping people to care about the politicking required to actually gain rank in the organization.
the bald arrow kid
Anime as defined by my mother: “ah, the pointy-looking people.”
Well, there it is, kids. We solved the debate
Lol adorable
Well that's why i didn't like anime as a kid. The hair and faces looked too pointy that I felt like it could hurt.
For the record, I was born in 1995 and so when Toonami happened I had usually turned off the tv until either Teen Titans was on or watch cartoons on Disney Channel or Toon Disney.
@@carsfan1995 but Teen Titans Titan had the same art style of other anime
Well, I mean there are a selection of more bubbly-looking anime as well
Hank Hill could kill Kirito from SAO
anyone could kill him. or at least, i'd like them to
Eric Flores he could also defeat saitama
Finally, someone I can agree with on the internet.
Not sure about "kill", but he can DEFINITELY kick his ass XD
of course he could. just open a tank of propane while kirito is playing one of his mmo's and ignite it. boom. no more kirito.
"'Avatar' isn't anime!"
"It may as well be!"
- Yugioh Abridged
As gigguk said anime isn't just Japanese animation, it's a brand
All these people in the comments arguing and all I can do is cry at this guy's shirt.
+TheTwilitHero
My favorite kind of dark humor~
Same here man Same here
Onei-3 Dark humor is like food. not everyone gets it.
that shirt is pretty f*cked up though.
Edward Simpson That was the most genius comment i have ever read, and i got a good laugh out of it
Thumbs up!
My point of view: I won't pretend to know what anime is or isn't. I just know it when I see it.
welcome to the club
yup, very true.
I didn't know Steven Universe was supposed to be an American anime.
@TJ, thats basically what the US Government's definition of what Porn is.
ya honestly i don't really consider steven universe to be anime either, nor panty and stocking for that matter. they actually have alot of cartoon influences. and wakfu is flash animation like Chaotics, not that it couldn't be anime it just feels like its own movement.
"Anime is a movement" rings truer than any other description I've read of anime. I hope a flexible definition based on this idea gets traction someday.
But more importantly, your shirt is hilariously messed up. Yikes.
Uh so I'm three years late but..
The argument "well it wasn't made in Japan!" doesn't make sense to me. Is sushi no longer sushi if you make it in America? Even if it's genuine and follows the traditional way of making sushi to the T?
What if the production team moved from Japan to America? Is it no longer an anime?
THANK YOU. I don't think people understand how dumb they sound when using that argument.
Sushi is a Japanese food because it was invented in Japan and it is most commonly eaten in Japan. How is that applicable to any cartoon? If it's not made in east Asia, it's not anime - I don't see any holes in that definition.
avatar isnt anime deal with it
Month late to this but uh...
I'd like to mention that the main argument for Avatar being an anime is the show's art and animation style and that alone. Whether it not being made in Japan as an argument doesn't make sense, at least acknowledge that "It's an anime because it looks like anime" doesn't make sense either. Art and animation styles don't belong to one culture.
Yes, the show is influenced by anime, but that doesn't make it an anime. It just means it will have qualities similar to those of an anime. I know that there's some style of "Western anime" but I'm not sure if the show would fall under those lines, and even then most people arguing that it's an anime are specifically referring to the Japanese style.
@@mentadood1122 Both anime and cartoons come in all shapes and sizes. There is no such thing as "*the* anime artstyle" or "*the* cartoon artstyle". Literally every mangaka, comic artist, director, storyboard artist, animation studio have their own artstyle, some more similar than others. ATLA doesn't "look like anime", it looks like ATLA. To suggest that there is such a thing as an artstyle that is exclusively anime is to suggest that all anime looks similar or at least there are features in the art that all anime and anime exclusively share. Do the artstyles of Mob Psycho, Code Geass and Ping Pong have anything in common?
"avatar is anime"
mentiones avatar like twice in over 18 minutes
Oh yeah. I'm like 14 minutes in and completely forgot Avatar was supposed to be the initial point.
He is talking about how Avatar It's an anime
That's the point of the video not about the Avatar
three times
Probably cause it's the most well known anime style cartoon
And shows multiple anime images and clips but only shows once or twice in the video for some odd reason.
Anime is everything that makes my parents ashamed of me. Prove me wrong.
That is sooooo perfect!! PLZ lets make this the legit definition.
Figure out what their favorite genre of movies is, then ask them for an hour of their time, find a top rated seinen anime, and show it to them. They might be pleasantly surprised ...
so... anime is grades in school work? :O
you should be ashamed of your parents... or just pity them for missing out
Snova haha same
Avatar was animated in Korea by an anime animation company, then the voice acting was added in when it was shipped back to America.
I've always thought that "anime" was one of those things which are difficult to define, but you _know it when you see it_ if you know what I mean.
I'll fight you, as soon as I find the stairs out of my moms basement.
You'll never find the stairs.
Ed understands. When you get grounded your parents disturbingly take the stairs away so there's no way out of your man hole.
If it was so easy to leave you would have done so by now
PlotProgressor B WOW, all shut in NEETs had to do was walk out of their house this whole time! it was so easy this whole time why has noone done this yet?!?
"Fuck You. Fight Me." should be a new series.
Bootleg Persona Ha !!!! not
That'll be nice
YES PLEASE
nah, it would go to bad points reallllly fast just to make a video
"And he took my advice"
Let’s just say “Anime” is a animated form of media with art style based from Japan
Itself based on Disney and Betty Boop.
Avatar's artstyle wasn't "based from Japan", it was conceived in the Nickelodeon studios creative headquarters.
in japan they use the term "anime" to refer to all forms of animation regardless of origin. seeing how ATLA is an animated series, it is considered an anime in japan the same way it is considered a cartoon outside japan.
Beaststar
@@krex44, it isn't condsidered *cartoon* outside of Japan for everyone.
The "I'm not an anime, but I'm anime" squad:
- Avatar the last Airbender
- The Dragon prince
- Voltron Legendary defender
- She-Ra
i.e. you only have netflix.
@@carbonatednova8663 Pretense-reeking,, snob-exhaling non appreciated quip.
-wakfu
Mickey Mouse is anime, havent you played Kingdom Hearts.
Fidel Perez Hell, it even has manga for 1, 2, Chain of Memories, and 385/2 Days.
What anime is at 5:47?!?!
@@wvbookwitch3322 Cardcaptor Sakura. Its should be on Crunchyroll.
Also, didn't Disney Movies inspire some of the original Anime?
Cade Kachelmeier
Uhhh...that cuts out about two seconds earlier, that’s definitely not what they’re talking about.
'Makes a thought provoking, discussion worth video on a topic worth discussing'
'Completely overshadowed by his own fucking T-shirt'.
:|
MasterChibi I have only seen one comment so far about the T-shirt. All the other comments were about his "argument"
MasterChibi My gosh... what kind of monster made that?
I haven't notice the first time, OMG
What if all the communities for the "types" of animation globally were merged into a more literal group with a love for animation? Wait that'd start a war
I love how you showed clips from RWBY like, a dozen times, but didn't mention the series by name once.
"It is important to draw wisdom from different places. If you take it from only one place it become rigid and stale, Understanding others, the other elements, the other nations, will help you become whole." -uncle iroh
He isn't technically wrong. This quote from Iroh does have a lot of real world application.
@@juwanbantug5465 i dare you to find anything iroh says that doesn't have real world application xD
@@charksey There really isn't. He's the wisest character I've seen from any animated series.
Uncle Iroh had such a profound influence on me, kindness and understanding are so crucial in life and he exuded both
Also:
"No, your sister is crazy. She needs to go down"
Sometimes it's important to recognize evil and stamp it out.
Now I can finally post discussions about Avatar and Cory in the house in r/anime. Thanks Geoff of MotherBasement™.
Don't Forget King of the Hill and The Nutshack.
Ladiesman69 Bobby!
Ladiesman69 Cory in the house isn't animated though. And Nut shack is just garbage.
Ladiesman69 same
what are you talking about cory in the house was entirely made using extremely sophisticated anime techniques
My big problem comes from those that call any animation that’s seen as good as anime and anything they see as bad as a cartoon. Like Steven Universe has a lot of haters that would never call it anime but saying Arcane is an anime is fine.
OK ULTIMATE ANIME DEFINITION
"ANIME IS A ANIMATION ART STYLE THAT ORIGINATED IN JAPAN"
FIGHT ME
Okay, I will fight you because your definition makes no sense. Whether something is anime or cartoon is based on the country it was made in, not what artstyle it has. Avatar's artstyle didn't originate in Japan. It originated in the Nickelodeon studios creative headquarters. Anime and cartoons come in thousands of different artstyles.
According to your definition, Adventure Time is an anime since it's artstyle was inspired by Kaiba and thus "originates" in Japan.
@@newwaveinfantry8362 are you saying that Shelter is Not an Anime short Just becouse it was made In a different country by a non Japanese
@@newwaveinfantry8362 oh And adventure time is not an Anime coz it's not in anime art style If spongebob was from Japan I would not call it an Anime I would call it a Japanese cartoon
@@KILLERMANGO-mi1cx Considering it was animated by A-1 Pictures, a Japanese anime studio, yes it is anime.
that shirt made me laugh.. then five seconds later I felt really really bad.. then cried
I noticed the transmutation circle first. Then Tina. Then her dog. Then the pose. Then I got sad. :'(
sean shindelbower
*rewinds video to see*
*cries*
sean shindelbower oh shit!! Awwwwwwwwwww woah!! No!!
..................... NO!! I didn't realise how *dark* that T-shirt was until you pointed out the reference! 😭
To anyone who hasn't watched FMA they'll just think it's a cute head nod to Dragonball Z !!
Argh!!
I NEED THAT SHIRT
yep, that t-shirt...
Anime or not Avatar is good.
I love it.
There's the distinction. All anime is trash so therefore Avatar isn't an anime.
All Anime is trash!
Avatar isn't trash
so Avatar isn't a Anime.
William Proto How to identify a troll trying to get a reaction step 1: Check if they are insulting something we'll regarded on a medium where fans likely are. Step 2: Check if there is no explanation for thier opinion at all. Step 3: Don't feed the troll. Edit: my eye is on you too "all anime is trash"
But it is though. You don't need to be troll to know that it is trash.
Anime has evolved into it's own style of animation over the years. It's a title that's no longer bound by borders. Castlevania is widely considered an anime, but it was made in the West.
His defense of "Voltron: legendary defender" being a good/great show to watch and "enjoy" has not aged well AT ALL.
Same with One Punch Man but hey...at least we can pretend like season 2 never existed like the Star Wars Prequels
@Julian P. Found another bandwagoner. Prolly the only reason you didn't like is because: "It'S nOt ThE oRiGiNaL tRiLoGy"
And quite frankly , the originals have aged badly.
Terrible animation , slow pace and cheesy acting that's on the same level if not worse than prequels.
Take off your nostalgia googles , they blind you
Julian P that would be the sequels, the uninspired mess that they are.
Cat in a sink let’s not get crazy now, the originals most people have seen are a heavily edited rerelease, the “Special Editions.” Fan made “Despecialized Editions” have come out to try to make the movies look as they did, and they did look better than they do now. The prequels and originals have that classic cheese that comes from taking itself seriously, action that’s amazing for its time (the originals have aged a good bit in that regard), and characters and worlds you can be immersed in. The sequels on the other hand... 🙄
@@Slender_Man_186 The changes they added in the special editions actually make the original movies much more pleasant to watch , gives them more life and the colors are fixed. Idk how can you think It's bad.
And that's why I love both the original and prequel trilogies despitw their heavy flaws.
Lucas himself stated , that he just wanted to make a niche cheesy sci fi movie that only movie nerds would know about.
And he obviously had no intention to turn the franchise into a global phenomenon.
And despite it all , he still showcases great story , cgi animation (yes , the cgi in prequels is amazing , fight me)
and likeable characters.
What defines an anime is when a 16th century Italian armor features a breastplate composed of horizontal plates. Constructing a breastplate in this way is believed to make heat-treating much easier as the armorer is working with smaller pieces. Can also be spelled "anima."
Ah, yes, the struggles of an armourer.
Haven't we all been there?
You're telling me
Uh, thanks for the knowledge
The Nutshack is anime. Where's the Nutshack analysis video
Triple-Q This needs to happen ^
Go back to your bunker in the center of the earth Q
Is sonic adventure 2 an anime
Triple-Q You never fail to bring up dead memes my friend
Mediocre Gaming no its a game Sonic X on the other hand adapts the game into an anime (fun fact season 3 of sonic X was made on 4 kids beding because unlike the Japanese was sonic X in America a major success)
I just think it’s crazy that there will be people who would say attack on Titan wouldn’t be an anime if everything about it was exactly the same but it was made in Tennessee and had English VAs first.
Yeah it wouldn't be a anime then, my personal definition of anime is that if it wasn't invented in Japan it's not anime.
CrimsonTheWorld lol idiot
Of course it wouldn't be. Why would it? If it was made in TN no one would have a reason to be calling it an anime.
@@newwaveinfantry8362 idiot
crimson and newwave, you both don't know the actual definition of anime. "anime" in japan refers to all forms of animation regardless of origin.
so let's say AoT was indeed made in TN, right now it is an animated series or simply a cartoon.
The moment they bring it to Japan, it is now considered anime in Japan.
the term "anime" in Japan is just like the term "cartoon" anywhere else.
The only way an AoT made in TN wouldn't be an anime is if they make it live-action instead.
One flaw i found is the bit about Mature Content/themes defining anime. No. Children's Anime is technically a thing. Pokemon, Sailor Moon (classic), Pretty Cure (especially Smile! And DokiDoki! Which were dubbed as "Glitter Force"), Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Tokyo Mew Mew, and MANY more don't have as darkly themselves scenarios, situations, or sexuality. But every one of those is Anime by just about any other definition
Have you seen a majority of those? A lot of them actually do contain mature content and themes.
Yu-Gi-Oh is dark and have some sexuality in original. In USA some female characters clothes in Yu-Gi-Oh are "remade to be more appropriate" for kids. But original anime was for teenagers.
Pokemon also have some darker scenes, more than once characters could died, some pokemon episodes were even banned. And there are few pokemons that have terrible past and are scary - one of pokemons- cubone have his dead mother skull in his head and he have nightmares about her death. Other pokemon also can be scary- Driflooms kidnap kids and took them to death realm...
Gengar was once a human, he is alone so he tried to made friend like him by killing humans.
@@elegelicaleyes2199 so I guess Game of Thrones is an anime
actually anime is a jojo reference
^ vip boi
stop using old ass memes
EX Falchion that's not an old ass meme, it was me Dio!
Even speedwagon is afraid!
everything is a jojo reference, really
For me if it looks like an anime and feels like an anime then it is an anime
Writing that down now I realize it makes barely any sense
So what's Steven Universe then?
I find Steven universe not a anime. But that's my opinion
I totally agree 😊
mangochan88 shit.
mangochan88 A piece of shit
"anime is an artistic movement"
ooh boy, I can hear the film fanatics groaning form here
Watching through the comments, I see everyone has his own definition of anime, it is practically a meme now... it only helps to prove this video.
Alright, war breaks out, Japan gets whipped off the map, Japanese animators escape to North America and continue their careers, is it anime?
Phillip Patrick yes because they would run to the country that threw 2 nuclear bombs at them^^
Thats water under the bridge.
Fine. They escape to Norway. Is it anime?
In my opinion, yes. For me, its the art style and the way of story telling tht matters. Avatar could be a Japanese influenced cartoon or Panty and stockings an western influenced anime. Thats also a way of sseing it
Phillip Patrick I feel it would be, and since Americans buy everything they might actually move to America, by the way, if you hold a grudge from a time you weren’t even alive, then you’re cutting your self off from a current perspective
IT‘S TOO EARLY FOR THIS T-SHIRT!!!!
And it always will be...
It's been like... 20 years.
15, actually
Another day, another comment is made about his dope-ass shirt.
...funny you say that...I was wondering where I could find it....it's kinda funny...oh don't you look at me like that I'm still human.
6 years later and I'm STILL linking this video to people who don't understand what anime is. They still use the old and outdated definition of being "Japanese animation." But a style isn't limited to just one country. There are Korean, Chinese, French and American anime out there. And yet people constantly tell me they "don't count" because Japan didn't make them. HOW IS THIS DEBATE STILL HAPPENING!? IT'S MADDENING!
But there is no singular style of anime. Doraemon, crayon shin chan, Sazae san, and Osomatsu kun all are not in the style commonly associated with Japanese animation, but they are all still anime. I define anime as meeting at least one of two requirements. 1. It is animation that originates from Japan. 2. It is animation that is heavily influenced by the art-style commonly associated with Japanese animation. If it meets one of these two requirements, it’s anime.
If you were arguing with me and showed me this video, I would laugh in your face. Mother's Basement is NOT a valid source.
Notice how it’s only Western weebs who argue about this ☠️
I agree with you though
@@MidnightPanik Who are you agreeing with?
There's a very hard and comprehensive definition of anime: "ehhh you know it when you see it?"
Man, I can't wait for when Digi and Geoff build up their rivalry as anime reviewers to a point where it climaxes to a shounen battle sequence.. but then as the fight comes into a conclusion, with their clothes tattered and bodies bruised, a surprise confession comes out of one of them, and they go at each other like the Sakura Trick girls.
Geoff always gets my support, cause Digi is an asshole. He makes good video essays once in a new moon, but he's the real shitbag, not Geoff.
Bit of a tangent, but I had to say it.
+Ordinary Tree Gigguk thrn comes in.
Gigguks more for taking the piss out of bad shows
Jeremiah Ilao I'd watch that.
Lick Tasty Ah, glorious.
Your shirt hurt me on an emotional level
Your spelling hurt me on an emotional level
"You're"
Very true.
It hurt my heart too
Trophonix couldn’t type correctly too many tears in my
The definition of anime: an animated TV show or movie, perhaps even a video, where all characters have obscenely large eyes, small necks, and noses so small no one could breathe through it, this rule is only broken when it offers comedic releif to give the character a trait that looks slightly ridiculous.
You can't even claim that anime are animated shows that use hand-drawn animation anymore, because Land of the Lustrous exists.
That shirt makes me feel sad...
Agreed.
🤓Ya want to know how its NOT an Anime, they DONT YELL the NAMES of their ATTACKS when using them!....Well....unless you're Sokka 😅😅
You're not right. 0:38
*AAAAAH! SNEAK ATTACK!!!*
BOOMERANG
Exactly. Lol I've waited a long time to hear someone besides my homies say that joke.
Is Regular Show an anime then?
So this is how Scott Pilgrim keeps getting called a non-anime. It is anime and a damn good one.
Me: "I'll go into this video with an open mind."
Jeff: "Western anime like (...) Steven Universe"
Me: "Literally every word of this video is wrong."
your shirt hurts my heart
I only just saw that scene a few days ago, and my heart is honestly too numb to hurt anymore.
Poor Nina
I don't know if I spelled it wrong or not
i was scrolling trough the comments and didnt notice his shirt. but as i saw it i just started laughing. smthng is wrong with me
Me to bubby me to
I know right i fight cause of his shirt
You're evil that shirt
Fusion HaaaaAAAAAAAAH?!
I just realized what T-shirt you’re wearing and I’m sad now.
you see my one issue that I'm having trouble reconciling is that it feels like we are trying to include higher quality western animation in this improved definition of anime. Of course, that's an opinion to say that the frequent examples of SU,ATLA, and Voltron are all quality (an opinion I share, but that many others may not). Of course the influences are still there, its just that the division being made almost begins to sound like "This piece of western animation is sophisticated enough to be eligible for anime status". I think maybe if I could receive an example of a "bad" american anime it would help me better understand the difference between a cartoon an anime aside from just that gut feeling.Because I think its fair to say that even among the agreed upon members of the anime genre, there are some bad ones. I think my defense of this stance is somewhat rooted in the fact that I don't want the label of cartoon to become a strictly for children idea by losing the higher quality titles to the belief that they are anime. But yeah, whats the name of a bad western anime?
Well there are some non Japanese shows that are pretty childish that I'd say are anime like, if not just flat out anime such as Ni Hao Kai Lan (spelling?), Tobots, and Code Lyoko (that one may be a bit mature). And even shows I consider bad that I'd call at least anime adjacent (not off the top, sorry).
My point being, I wouldn't just say something is an anime just cos it's really good. I love Firestarter (Cartoon Network movie) and while I get my anime vibes from it, I wouldn't call it an anime. Same with Ben 10, despite having an overarching story.
It’s one of the most annoying things. Oh it’s a good drama show aimed at not preteens. It’s an anime
Your shirt made me sad, shame on you.
MikH98 I read your comment and waited until he came on camera again. I audibly laughed
B-Big-B-B-Brother?
MikH98 ikr
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - it IS an anime!
Wait, I think I did a mistake somewhere...
But it's not an anime, it's a nuclear duck!!!
Wait...
Godzilla, is that you?
anime was never an option
If it walks like a duck quacks like it, its probably a goose
Got it; ducks are anime
@@SuperMarioDrumming is ducktales anime?
"When was the last time you heard an American anime fan gushing over Hello Kitty, Hana Kappa, or Anpanman? If these kid's shows are discussed at all, it's never in the context of 'have you seen the latest episode of Sazae-san?' ... Because it's not anime."
Well that's hardly an argument. So if an anime is uninteresting because of its target age group it's not actually anime? Isn't that like saying Peppa Pig doesn't count as a western animation because western animation fans don't gush about it? Is Dog Man not actually a comic book because comic book fans don't care about it? This point makes no sense.
Ahh, Dog Man.
Nah, it completely different from the point of Peppa pig and dog man. Its about that if an anime is made to Target younger audince not if people don't care about it if it was made for mature audience.
@@thatpoorlonelyguywhonobody2143 That makes equally little sense. Dog Man is also targeted to younger audiences and it's still a comic book. What rule says anime can't be targeted to younger audiences? Also, plenty of anime targeted to preteen audiences are very popular among anime fans, shounen and shoujo are some of the most common genres and those are targeted to children. Hell, Avatar is targeted to children, so making a case that anime targeted to children isn't actually anime wouldn't help your case that Avatar is an anime.
This gives me confidence that the anime I've had in the works for years will actually be called an anime
Yes, it will
I just realized... In 50 years, history teachers will teach about "The anime artistic revolution which began in the late 90's..."
Maybe a pop culture class
@@pussdesttoyer17 That and art.
not that a lot of people would follow art class
In the beginning: Hell yeah it's time to draw
In class: the fuck is this
There's already a class at my school entirely dedicated to examining The Simpsons. An actual, college credit, college-priced course with its own textbook.
when i re-watched south park, i felt like i was watching history i lived through, each episode reminded me what the world was freaking out about in thous times.
Finally. Someone gets it, Now I can finally watch my favorite Anime's Cory In The House and Shrek 2 in peace.
Shrek is love.
Shrek is life.
Shrek is not anime.
Cory in the House is best anime.
you're right Shrek isn't an anime, which is why I said Shrek2.
Simeon Taylor whoever designed the shaders for the shrek video game needs to be drug out and shot though.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY WHITE HOUSE
cyberbro15 I wish I could dislike this comment more than once.
Anime = animation. Cartoons = animation. Anime = Cartoons.
This video takes me back to discussing Socrates and his dialogues in college.
I seem to be in luck, Geoff; for in seeking one definition of "anime" I have discovered a whole swarm of them in your keeping.
I don't like calling "anime-inspired" cartoons anime for the most part because it's so often used as validation for anime fans to enjoy it. Why can't a great cartoon just be appreciated on its own merits rather then whether some people on the internet refer to it as anime. I do agree with Geoff in that discussions between them should have more crossover.
Q-tesque is a French chef using French salmon to make sushi in France for French people making "not sushi"? Or making "sushi-inspired french cuisine"?
I think cartoon is the all encompassing term here. Anime are undoubtedly Japanese cartoons and I have no problem referring to them as such. In regards to the french chef's sushi, anime has a loose definition unlike sushi so saying something like "Japanese-inspired" cartoon would have been more accurate on my part, but sushi made by a French chef would still be "French sushi" much like a "Japanese/Anime-inspired" cartoon made by a Westerner for Westerners would still be a "Western cartoon" and not a "Japanese cartoon/Anime."
Spongebob, South Park and The Simpsons are anime, there's no such thing as cartoons !!
I think what Geoff is trying to say here is that a Cartoon (with me defining it as a piece of animation intended and voiced over primarally for an english-speaking audience) shouldnt be dismissed away from talks about anime (defined here as the shit we weebs masturbate to) especially since Animation as a whole is becoming much beter and relateable to each other. Since something so close to a true anime such as Shelter was completley banned from r/anime until the mods caved and it was put back up, it sparks discussion about what an 'anime' is. Since no one can properly define what they are saying what an anime truly is, discusion about Cartoons in Anime forums shouldnt be completely dismissed or banned.
because its left out of discussion in those communities when the exact same community would discuss the exact same show if a different studio had made it. If Avatar had been made by a japaneese studio and also been released in japan in its exact state, maybe not even a japaneese dub, it would be widely discussed in anime communities and would be in many peoples top shows. The fact that this distinction limits discussion is why the fact that it is inaccurate matters.
Is Mayonnaise an anime?
Sam Mcclain Yeah, but not a gender.
Sam Mcclain
Horse Radish is an anime too.
No Patrick. Mayonnaise is not an anime.
you beat me to this joke!!
yes, no, maybe? i dont know. can you repeat the question?
My definition of anime:If it looks like and feels like anime. It's anime.
Well then by your logic spongebob is a anime
But Spongebob doesn’t look nor feel like anime
I agree with your definition
@Tom Ffrench, it does
@Tom Ffrench it definitely doesn’t feel like on the heads are too big and they don’t seem to resemble it
I remember something similar when we were covering Science Fiction in English class.
'Sci-Fi is like porn- you'll know it when you see it'
(Also I am stoked to realise I have the same shirt as MB!)
The amount of people generally offended by a t-shirt is almost as hilarious as the t-shirt itself.
that t shirt is amazing
Elidan1012 why are they offended lmfao
Elidan1012 shelters situation reminds of anime america
it's fucked up in a funny way lol
I love that I have no idea what it's referencing.
Wait, so Spongebob has a japanese dub ? That means 'Spongbobu' and 'patariku' is real !! OMFG!!!
Rahul Sharma just like cory-kun
SPONGUBOBU
That is Chinese
Agreed. The Japanese would be 'Suponjubobu-chan~♥!'
and "Tentacle-sama" for Squidward ha ha ha ha ha
I really do think avatar brought me into the anime community. I was too young to remember just how brilliant of a show it was at the time (born in 2002) but it led me to watching dragon ball naruto fairy tail bleach and so many others. I continue to watch anime because the brilliant animation allows for a type of expression that can’t be achieved in live action. I’m continually surprised at how far the medium has developed and how much a short series can contain. Truly beautiful.
Adding Steven universe to the discussion really isn’t convincing me
Completely agree he had some point but just ruined it by mentioning steven universe
@@fatman2486 He didn't completely ruin it, it's just that adding SU makes his argument sound weaker. It's still an overall good argument even if he gets says one dumb thing in it.
All I know is that SU fans tend to watch a lot of anime too, so it does satisfy similar needs.
I also agree. The argument and his points are good. But adding su sounds so "meh"
Aang is easily an A rank hero if not higher.
Elemental manipulation makes him a superb hero for natural disaster situations and the avatar state could give him a crazy edge in combat
I'd definitely argue for Aang being S Class. If Tank Top Master can be one, why not Aang?
Deinitley S. He can fling around an island the size of Manhatten if he puts his mind to it.
Noah Daglio the avatar is defo S class. Especially once they've been fully trained. They're basically a world altering spirit inside a human body
I thought about it, and the fact that he has the ability to manipulate the ground you walk on in so many different ways definitely warrants him an S rank.
Noah Daglio
But how'd he do on the written exam?
I can't stress how great this title is.
Jay Tek elemaeyo
I feel like anime is a genre and has multiple sub genres.
I agree. After watching the realistic movie, i started watching the show. Right of the bat i noticed that the art style was like anime.
*y-you watched the whole movie*
@@imayeti.4674 This nigga is the real one. Props him for sitting through that shit
Anime is literally just what Japanese people call cartoons. You going to consider every language version of cartoon it's own genre?
Just call them cartoons, or animations if you're especially insecure about it.
I'd just like to add that you Westerners are the ones creating this arbitrary problem. As someone who learned English, it's infuriating that people who grew up with the language can't differentiate between genre and medium.
All anime are cartoons yes, but not all cartoons are anime.
American cartoons are NOT anime. Japan is the country of origin for anime. Anything made outside of Japan is just a normal cartoon.
Just dont worry about it anyone who is concerned about the difference in these two is a looser that will never be sucsessful anyway
For a Japanese person, yes, all cartoons are "anime", and all comics are "manga". The distinction only exists in the West − same as "shoujo-ai vs. yuri" and such.
But I guess it's fine. It's not uncommon for loanwords to adopt a different or more specific meaning in the language they're borrowed into. For example, in English "mail" refers to any kind of mail, while in French or Japanese, it specifically refers to an e-mail.
Lyendith Yeah... no.
Email is more along the lines of courrier électronique, same goes for Spanish with correo electrónico.
And why would Mail mean email in Japan anyway? That seems more like a discrepancy, I thought it was a pronunciation difference only, as I've heard a lot of E's when I hear talking about e-mail.
Wait.....people don’t allow talk about the Avatar in their online communities???? I totally want more Avatar descussion !!! That is a powerful show
HaYlEeXx19
Ikr
I think there is enormous potential for an Avatar video game, especially a multiplayer one (although in my opinion no playerr should be allowed more than one element), imagine a VR game in that universe OMG.
facecrusher there is a videogame
But It sucks
I have looked at some of the game play, the current "games" are more like forced short stories with what I would call mini-game mechanics if I were being generous, the potential in the world design and lore are WASTED on the current Avatar games.
Yes please
I guarentee you that half of anime fans grew up not knowing Beyblade, Pokemon, Naruto, and ofc DBZ were anime.
ATLA, Boondocks, Teen Titans, and Spectacular Spiderman are anime in my book
So a ramen not made in Japan nor made by a Japanese is not ramen?
So a pizza not made in Italy nor made by an Italian is not pizza?
So a burrito not made in Mexico nor made by a Mexican is not a burrito?
Justice Stewart's words apply nicely to anime as well, "I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it"
No it doesn't, porn is a more broad general concept than anime, you can't classify the two in the same levels.
@@HullsColby the point stands, though. You just know anime when you see it.
No porn is a media that is made to turn you on
@@fransbezuidenhout485 I mean, porn falls under that umbrella, but there's a lot of media meant to turn people on that no one would classify as porn
@@alexandrakaste2175 like what
It's like rectangles and squares. Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.
Every anime is a cartoon, but not every cartoon is an anime.
thank you
Japan considers anything that is animated to be anime. So yes, AtLA, RWBY, Boondocks, Rick and Morty, ETC are all anime to Japan. Western fans of anime for some reason don't get that, so they have sticks up their butts.
Malcom Alexander You dont seem to know what "connotation" means.
Nope. Literally EVERY animation is anime, because that's what anime is short for.
Sun of Nothing so Dora the explorer is an anime?
Allow me to segregate by saying what if its not anime if it is not originally voiced in Japanese. Big brain
It felt so validating to hear you acknowledge Steven Universe as anime. I always say it is when this conversation comes up.
Cory in the House is one of the greatest anime to come out in recent years.
RebelBeamMaster X84 Recent?
or sienfeld
we all like the same shit
if you like to watch a little hentai on the downlow, you know thats not even my problem
That joke was so old like Harambe jokes... Just stfu already
anime is the Japanese word for cartoon, just like manga is the Japanese word for comics. I still remember when my friends wife first came to the US we were all walking around walked into a comic store and she exclaimed "Manga!" even though there wasn't a single Japanese comic there.
Spongebob is a an anime if you speak Japanese, Superman is a manga in the same scenario.
Meanwhile in Korean its just manhwa for both cartoons AND comics.
Which makes literal translations a bit more confusing.
What is cartoon... its a week late for me to find this, but that actually got me thinking. Where did that word even come from?
What I found:
It actually originates from the Latin word "Carta"
Which eventually became "Cartone" in Italian, then "Cartoon" in 16th century English.
This basically refers to a drawing of a person drawn in an exaggerated or humorous way, or what would be commonly called a caricature.
It came to describe animations because of how exaggerated and silly the characters looked in early animated films. So technically "Anime" and "Cartoons" are the same thing by the pure etymology of the words.
Dunban Ragecatcher neat. That's pretty interesting
If u think anime are cartoons, imma tell you some anime titles: Boku no pico, High school DxD
Also, anime translates to 'animation'
Showed Appa to my Japanese friend she said "what anime is this from" *mic drop*
Geoff I think that you're the greatest commentator on anime that I've ever heard so I just want to give you props and let you know that I will be supporting you in your endeavor
Honestly I could careless about what any one wants define a particular show as. I just want to watch good shit.
Same here
yes
You sir, i like you
Couldn't, could implies you do care
I wonder if people in Japan have these same arguments regarding "cartoons".....
They call western cartoons anime xd
Lol. What sane person would? Animu is animu. I see animation, I say animu (or show/flick when I don't feel like being the weeb that I am) Don't say Supanjubabu-dono is not animu, onegai... Lol
*Person screams angry japenese* Uh maybe
They think poorly of anime too.
I'm studying japanese and When I asked to my japanese teacher about it she told me that in Japan they used the word "anime" to any animation didn't matter where it came from. So I even Mickey Mouse is an anime for a japanese
I'm a liiittle late on this but has internet finally accepted that anime is just a word used to refer to every animated show in Japan ? Just like comics manga and "bande dessiné" are all just different translation for the same thing
This video is how I learned avatar wasn’t a Japanese anime-