I am buying my son a Speed 400. Looks great, has a bit of that Triumph mystique, and (short of any major crash damage) I anticipate it will bring a resell amount much closer to the purchase price than other options when he moves up. But...and this is the critical piece...another young rider enters motorcycling on a Triumph. Damn genius of Triumph to get such a well put together bike out there for $ that makes it comparable to used starter bikes and gets young people riding the brand. If HD had done that, they might still be relevant in a few years.
My dad 84 years of age would Love the 400. He loves the way my 1200 sounds and looks but feels the brutal way its engine works and its weight to much. I know he is tempted. And for the money it is So enticing. I’m actually thinking of buying the Scrambler 400X as a nimble bike around town. No I’m not selling my 1200. Never!
Please tell your son to use all the necessary equipment while riding. Mine made an accident and he survived due to good quality shoei helmet and thanks to wearing other equipment.
I'm like you a 1200 Speed Twin owner. It's two bikes in one. You can trundle around using the low down torque and be as smooth as butter. Open it up and let the revs climb and it becomes a different beast. Many practical faults like inadequate mudguards but these are curable with aftermarket additions. The point is this is a bike that make you smile when you wheel it out of the garage and just look, makes you smile at the noise when you start it, and makes you smile on every ride. Not cheap, but a machine that makes me smile, priceless.
Absolutely agree. Its hopelessly impractical compared to my Transalp, for example (cramped, no wind protection, luggage ruins the looks, etc), but I love it :)
I have two RE 350's and an Interceptor, i agree with what he said and Inty feels more planted compare to 350's, i never owned triumph Bonneville but planning to.
@@ramirof1986 Are you taking about T120 or Interceptor? I'm surprised with how good parallel twin of Interceptor is that I'm constantly thinking about T120 as it's parallel twin as well with lot more power, if I'll ever upgrade i guess I'll get T120 for now I'm looking for couple of test drives. But bike looks gorgeous.
I went for the 900 - I love the sound, and the low seat height was a winner for me. I do agree with you, the single clock is a great visual disappointment, and the shocks need an upgrade. Other than that, I prefer the old school looks, and riding on back roads is what it's for.
The Fox RSU is lovely in my opinion, especially if you have a passenger. Also Pirelli Demons on it are lovely. Becomes a different machine - way more agile and comfy than the price would indicate. I have 16K miles on my 2022.
I love my 1200. 55000 kms in 3 years, she takes me everywhere and still after all this time she puts a smile on my face, in the city and in the twisties. I call her my forever bike, one I will never sell.
I've got the dart classic screen, and with ear plugs I can comfortably sit at 85 MPH with no issues, geared up to 17t on the front so it's much less buzzy. Get around 55mpg
I'm buying a Speed 400. Many, many moons ago I rode the Yamaha RD350 and then the Yamaha 650 Special. I have only regularly riden a 150 CC bike since then. As I'm getting older, I wanted to own a bigger CC thumper and this Triumph came out at the right time and fits me perfectly for my size, use and wants. I hope to receive delivery this month here in Southeast Asia. Thanks for the video.
You won't be disappointed, it's a great 'little' bike. I would buy one, if I had a need for a 400. Nobody NEEDS the 9 or the 12, but we just can't resist. I love my 1200, but if they brought out a 1400, I would have to have it, lol :)
I owned a 900 and put 10k miles on it. It was such a lovely and fun motorcycle. I eventually sold it for the reasons you mentioned, but especially because it felt like it was lacking a 6th gear to cruise comfortably at highway speed (around 80mph where I live). I eventually upgraded to a Thruxton 1200 and I’m again very impressed with what Triumph have done. Amazing bikes all around.
The 1200 is a great bike which you can't go wrong with and has a 6th gear. For the 900 riders though, the trick with the 900 5 gears and searching for a 6th (which the more expensive 1200 has) is don't change up early! The engines deliver a lot of torque but you can rev them happily higher than most people realise. The lazy torque delivery is great but don't be scared of revving it higher! they are designed for it, so don't worry, work it more. I can change up at over 80mph from 4th to 5th on mine, which is an air cooled 865cc 2013 T100 Bonneville. This bike delivers power in a more linear manner and peak power and torque occur higher in the rev range, but I suspect the same trick could be played on the more modern 900! When you get used to higher revs and change up at 80mph say, then you won't be expecting an extra 6th gear. I think this can sometimes be overlooked, you have engine balancer shafts in the engine to prevent higher revs from being uncomfortable and too vibratory, why not make use of them!
ST 900 is the Goldilocks bike for me. Taking my wife on pillion is a consideration. I had a ST1200 but traded that for a BMW R1250RT with a view to comfortable touring. Now I’ve downsized to the ST900 for more local riding. I have a top box I occasionally put on the 900, which gives the wife a feeling of security, as well as a bit of practicality. Agree though, the ST1200 is a beautiful bike and the Speed400 is probably good for riding solo locally. But Goldilocks, the compromiser (in their seventies) prefers the ST900. Thanks for the interesting comparison. 😊
I bought a Speed 400 for those "Gee, what a nice day for a short ride" days when I really didn't want to drag out my Tiger Explorer. Absolutely NO regrets. Riding since 1961.
I bought the bonneville T120 with 105 Nm @ 3500 rpm. It is perfect for me because it’s more comfortable than the Speed and sounds better as well. I upgraded front and rear shocks with Ohlins as well ❤. And put handlebar risers. I will never sell it.
I love my Thruxton RS. Had a Speed Twin 900 for 2 years and I was constantly yearning for more. So happy I bought the Thruxton (1200) and like this video would encourage others to do the same.
Great presentation, thank you. The 400 looks best of all three and I expect Triumph to update the other two designwise in the shorter future. Also the rear suspension with these two shocks should be replaced by a more contemporary linked single shock suspension. I testrode the 1200 two years ago when I was in the market for a classic naked bike and although the engine really pleased me I finally went for my Kawa Z900RS and didn't regret that decision.
Nah!..the 1200 and 900 are timeless Classics, I love the looks with the twin shocks and everything, If one wishes a more modern bike there is the street triple or Trident. IMO the Classic ones are a bit more practical, for example with my street Twin 900 I also use it in some mild off roading with 50/50 dualsport Tires, the 18inch front wheel although it can be a pain to find front tires for it, it can handle a bit of the slightly larger bumps or road imperfections. Handles well on road, its comfy, low seat height and you can also tour on it, the 900 has more than enough power and its very smooth. Not the cup for everyone but it can do a bit of everything which is good. The 400's are nice but honestly I wished they where more similar to the classics, to me its like they are half speed 900 on the front and half trident from the seat backwards. Not a bad thing entirely but looks for looks the classic ones are more better looking, or at least for me. Now what I wish is that they also make 125cc models, how about a modern Triumph Tiger Cub?😅
Actually I got 1200 three weeks ago, thanks also to your videos. Found demo model, much better priced compared to “brand new”. Love it! Even in still cold conditions. Cheers.
I do like the gator look, also they do perform a function. I'd also like a 400, but as I already have a scooter and a suzuki gsx 8s it's not offering anything functionally. I think Triumph nailed it with the 400, if I had one bike, I could make the 400 work.
Great video! I thought I would pick the 400... but damn it, once you put it that way - I now want a 1200 too! I am all into small bikes now, but 1200 makes me want to make an exception.
I'm long past my touring days and also up in the years where my main desire is to take some nice leisurely rides on a warm summer morning on some 2 lane roads. So it's the Speed 400 for me. I don't want "brutal" and I certainly don't want "heavy". My first "real" motorcycle was a Honda CB77 Super Hawk. Between then and now I've owned big , fast machines with high horsepower and viscious acceleration. They were fun, but I can't say that I got the most pleasure in riding by pulling wheelies or doing a 10 second quarter mile. My most pleasurable memories were those of riding that Honda. Maybe its just rose colored glasses or the innocence of youth, but there's just something that attracts me to a small, agile, fun to ride machine.
I brought a new 77 Super Hawk it was awesome and so reliable. I lived on the hills and because I new every corner it took a very good rider to pass me. My front tyre became wedge shaped so much so I cut a sheep in half at 60 miles and hour. No damage to me but the bike ended up with bent forks.....and the smell was intense. I am 72 now and looking to buy a T120 Bonneville
Bike size depends largely how one uses it. If I'm gonna ride 500 miles a day cruising 70-90mph and/or hitting inclement weather, my Super Tenere is obvious choice. Traction, tech, power, comfort, protection is all needed. For cheap commute around city, beating traffic, touring occasionally up to 300-400 miles a day, hauling on hitch carrier of truck for vacation, cb500x is best fit and very fun bike. For slow speed, short distances 200-400cc is sufficiant and more fun than heavier bikes. There is also issue of afforability. I would say most people ride what they can afford.
I have not ridden these modern Triumphs, but I frequently hop on my 1973 T140V Bonneville for a cheap thrill. Weighing less than 400 lbs, it has good power, plenty enough for traveling twisty roads at 50 mph or less. Handling is superb. If the modern classics can duplicate it, they are doing quite well, IMO. Your account of the modern 900 sounds just like my T140. Long live the Bonneville.
Picking up my 400x today. This was a passion buy. I just love the way it looks. I don't ride aggressively and most of my pleasure riding takes place in Appalachia on single lane mountain roads of varying conditions. The 400x seems like it's going to be a good fit for my intended purpose. Time will tell.
I also own a 1200 speed twin and you’re right about the power delivery and feel. I also own a classic 650 bonneville and 750 Norton, each one was the rocket ship in its day. I think there is nothing better than riding a twin for the sound and torque.
I had a T100 and I loved the look of the Speed Twin 1200 when it first came out. I was set on getting one but when I finally got to sit on one, I realised just how small they actually are. I'm 185 cm and 100 kg. Then last year I tried a Scrambler 1200 XE chrome edition and was sold. A big, beautiful bike, with all the grunt that you describe of your Speed Twin. I love it.
Nicely presented. Well, I'm glad I watched this video after eating my lunch, even though licking the screen is not really my thing. So the 900 has the knees by the ears (the lowest seat height...too low for my body) and the 1200 comes with an organ donor card. I wouldn't mind the 1200 if the weight would be lower. But as it is, I'd buy the 400. The 50-something kg weight penalty is quite significant to me. Yes, I'd get to our provincial road speed limit of 80 km/h 3 or 4 seconds faster, but then the low speed handling and parking are so much easier with 170 kg.
I’ve owned a 09 Bonnie SE for 10 years. It’s what became the street twin. With a tune, some pipes and removing all the extra air crap it’s in the 80+ hp range. It’s a real hoot around the bends or town. Highway kinda sucks but I don’t want to ride there anyway
Great review! I pre ordered a Speed 400, way back in September. Why? I'm 68 and not ridden a bike for 35 years- until I had a couple of refresher lessons in the Autumn. That showed me, I needed more practice, so bought a cheap Mutt 125. Good move. The 1200 has so much appeal but, my age and the real world- eg my driveway has a noticeable slope making bike handling difficult- means I am happy to take the 400. Should arrive soon!
I ended up with a T120, but the 900 is the most fun I've ever had on a Triumph retro, 1200 included. There's something about the low power big noise combination that makes it hilarious around town.
Good video. For me I have a Bobber Black. Yes there’s more practical/cheaper options but that not why I ride a bike. It’s down to coolness and for me the Bobber Black is the coolest stock bike you can buy.
with the A2 option on the 900, there is actually a very big probability that the speed 400 and 900 might be on someones list. further more the 900 and 1200 might also be on someones list. so yes this is a good comparison to be had and thank you for doing it :).
I have owned a Speed Twin 1200 for 5 years, and won`t be getting rid of it. I used to own a Street Cup 900, the cafe racer version of the then Street Twin, now Speed Twin 800, but the single front disc was pitiful for two up riding. So i traded it for the Speed Twin. I then found myself going to bike shows and shops, and seemed to have moor interest in smaller capacity bike, and when the Speed 400 came out, i bought one, and absolutely love it. Living in Dorset, a county with no motorways, and very few faster main roads, there`s no point in have a litre class sporttsbike, and the Speed Twin really makes sense. But when you start travelling around Dorsets narrow twisty windy back lanes, the Twin becomes a chore to ride, as it does around town, but this is where the Speed 400 comes into its own, it`s enormous fun a license friendly speeds, that`s why i`m keeping both the Speed Twin 1200, and the Speed 400. I have the perfect bikes for both worlds.
Miss my speed twin ! I had the first model with the gatted forks ! Your right though that motor is bloody fantastic, gotta say though I was in triumph Birmingham today and there are loads of 400's going out today because of the 1st March new reg they told me they can't get enough of them , very impressive for the money ❤
I'm in Brazil and I own a 1200 (2023) before that I owned a 765 RS (2018) and like you I wouldn't trade my 1200 for anything. Excellent bike, especially on mountain roads with lots of curves. Interestingly, in Brazil the Speed 1200 costs approximately 5% less than the 765 RS
I’ve put 12k miles on my 900 over the past year. I learned to ride on it. My first bike. But I find myself contemplating the 1200 quite a bit. Sometimes I find myself in a sportier mood, wishing I had that brutal torque and 17” wheels. The brakes and clocks and the sixth gear put it over the top.
The Speed Twin 1200 is the sensible choice, but being 6'2", I went with my heart and got the Scrambler 1200 Steve McQueen Edition! Two years later, this bike still brings the biggest grin.
Thermal exhaust tape is amazing to reduce the heat. My Euro 5 bike has the cat way back, way better than the Euro 4 version that I have tested and roasted my leg!
I live in Vilamoura and have been down every road in the video, so I right enjoyed that. Hopefully ill be in to see you soon, investment pending. I fancy the 900, your on the 125..😎🔆
I'd go for a Sunday roast and get the T120. Plenty of grunt, good acceleration 70-95, comfier seat and pillion and less twitchy. Or the new R12nineT with heated grips and a quickshifter for a few more bob - bratwurst?
@@RocketMan_Moto thank you for responding. I have seen the video in full and I understand the steak reference :) The both bikes mentioned by myself are what I love visually but I won't make the decision before I ride both. Thanks to your video, I know I should try the Speed 1200 vs whatever else I have in mind. Many safe returns to you!
Nice comparison test, for me I'd buy the Moto Guzzi (yes I know you were looking at 3 Triumphs) It's cheaper, more characterful, shaft drive and oozes Italian Charm. Ok the 900 then.
I've had a 900 for a couple of years and love it, but I can't shake the temptation of the 1200. The intoxicating power and beefier looks are very appealing. The 900 does sound better, as you said, but that's fixable on the 1200. I might have to get a used one and live with it for a while before deciding which to keep.
This is the problem. I'd be perfectly happy with the 900, but knowing there was a 1200 within reach would keep me awake at night. Just as if one day Triumph brings out a Speed Twin 1400, I will absolutely have to have it ;)
Hi All, I just wanted to say that for the 900 peeps, I have an 865cc air cooled EFI T100 2013 and my wife and I have just ridden down to the South of France on a 2,137miles round trip with only a basic luggage rack the bike came with, a genuine triumph bib front screen to keep the wind off that the bike again fortunately came with. We travelled light using Oxford Heritage wax cotton throw over panniers and an Oxfor Heritage top bag (waterproof inners), all in black to match the black coloured bike. This luggage had room for 3-5 changes of clothes, some tools, spare bulbs and an electric tyre inflator to keep the rear tyre at 41psi and a tin of chain lube. I only lubed the chain once and filled the rear tyre with air once in the entire trip, leaving my wife to question the tools, Haynes Manual and spare parts😂😂! We also got inexpensive TEC side bars to prevent the luggage from touching the shocks or back wheel. I have changed to Alf Hagon road shocks for bum comfort and put in a Booster plug to keep the fuel mixture from being too lean, so no stalling or over-revving at pullaway and accelerates better. That setup is solid. My wife prefers the slower speed of the T100 Bonneville, which still cruises happily at 80mph and the good news is they can certainly be toured! We are in our 60's and we noticed lots of 2 up 900 new and old Bonnevilles at the Distinguished Gentleman's ride in Birmingham UK this year.
I'm still on my 2019 Speed Twin 1200 after 5 years. It was my first big bike as a middle aged newbie rider. When I was buying my first big bike in 2019, I was torn between the 900 and 1200. I plumped for the 1200 more on the fact that I thought "if I get the 900 I'm going to want to be trading it in very shortly". 5 years later, I still haven't out grown the 1200. It's still way more than I need in a bike . I'm still loving it. Having the "rip my arms off torque" on tap is still exhilarating, even though I don't do it that often ! When I've test ridden the Street/Speed 900 in the last few years, usually at service times, I've never regretted getting the 1200. It's not that the 900 is bad, it's just the 1200 is that bit better. As for the Speed 400 , I'll have to get a test ride. They did look sold out when I went to my local Triumph dealer recently. So that could be hard. I doubt I'd buy one, unless I ended up doing a local town centre commute ( that's unlikely to happen ). The bikes I'm more likely to get are another striple or Tracer 9 GT ! I do miss a triple engine . PS , you could change your youtube name to "Speed Twin Man" 🙂
Always wished the 900 pipes were put on the 1200. Sounds and looks so much better. Love my Street Twin 900. Upgraded to Koni shocks and changed springs and oil in front, and handles amazing.
I have the 1200 and live in Southern California. I'm an acceleration junkie and the bike has all the punch I want. It's docile up to 3500 rpm, then accelerates like a rocket from there. I ride the freeways mostly at 80-90 mph and it wants to go faster. It's really 2 bikes in one. Two dislikes are that the turn sigs are not self cancelling and you need a magnifying glass to find the side stand.
that whole review had me smiling ,,,, well done , the bit when you admitted the 900 sounded better than yours made me laugh , you don't often show much emotion - but that was brilliant ;;; i am also surprised that the 900 is just as useful as the 12 , it seems that it is a fair chunk of money to buy better looks and more go ;;;
Im going to get the 400, simply because i live in Lisbon, in the old part of the city with all the cobble stones, trams and hills so lightweight and agility are a must, if i was living in the Algarve i would get the 900 for sure, i hate heavy bikes but that torque must feel great cruising along
I'm seriously considering a second bike. I have my Indian Chieftain which is great for the longer rides, but a bit heavy sometimes in town. In my opinion, the 400 would be a great addition. I just have to go out test ride one. :)
I've ridden both the 900 and 1200 and agree with what you've said. The 900 looks and feels old, is much slower steering than the 1200 and really doesn't deserve to be called 'Speed'. I loved the 1200's power delivery but living in England I couldn't bring myself to buy a big bike without a fairing. So, if I bought any of them it would be the 400 as a second bike to my Yamaha Tracer 700.
Good point. The total lack of wind protection on these bikes means that, when it’s cold, they’re pretty much unusable. Now I have the Honda Transalp, the Speed 1200 has become a warm-weather bike🤔
I'm on a 2024 Street Triple R and I absolutely love it! I do keep saying though that my next bike might be the Speed Twin 1200 - it's just a cool looking bike with a goodly acceptable amount of performance (at least as I perceive it).
They are all good at differing things, of course you recomend the 12 as u have one, deffo wouldnt call a 9 a compromise though, as for a lot its a better bike ..quickish,reliable, dependable,and a good looker,,12 is nice but often heavy for some,,, i like the 4 but its not enough for some
I am going to change my scrambler 900 for speed twin 1200. I will miss Gandalf the grey, but new stealth edition 1200 is just so tempting, that I have to proceed. It is now or never... looking forward to this change
I bought a Speed Twin 1200 a year ago. It's my first bike. I practiced on a SV650 and an Aprilia Pegaso. I test rode a Speed Twin shortly after i got my licence and bought it. It's got more of everything that i will be able to use, and any other bike i have tested since has been something of a disappointment. I love my bike.
Yeah, i starten practicing in april 2022. Got my license in september and bought the bike as a Christmas gift for myself. The main reason I bought the 1200 and not the 900 was mainly the seat height, the 6th gear and the amazing torque. Still remember the first time I opened up the throttle and went above 3500 rpm. 😁
Good comparison video 👍 I am also riding a Speed Twin 1200 in Korea. I tuned variously such as Olins suspension tuning and Brembo brake tuning. I filmed and uploaded a RUclips video as a hobby. Drive safely
Good video. I’d go for the 900 (if this model were to be modernized). I like "modern-Classic." For me,I find the 1200 too much of a good thing. As for the 400, you are right, it is not a premium bike and it is still a single-cylinder.
Thanks for the test video. Good idea, I like it. Also I like the new 400, thinking about to bye the little scrambler. Triumph make a good job. At least, don't drive without gloves, after three crashes in my life, I now what it means to use gloves. For summertimes the market give a great choice of light gloves.. Think about how many younger drivers see your videos... Thank you again, always good tours for you.
Very fine comparison! I would take the 400 scrambler. It is verly light, you can easyly go on gravel roads and it is much cheaper... the only disadvantage is driving on a Highway... so you have to turn off your brain and ride the 120 as long as it takes
Thank you. Yes, if you can 'switch off' when you're on the motorway, then the 400 is fine. The Speed is a nicer ride than the Scrambler, though, imo :)
Love to see the same rundown on the Scramblers! LOVE my street scrambler… but now there’s the 1200X. 🤔 Btw, love hearing “pejorative” used as vernacular 👍👍
What a great idea! Triumph Algarve have the 400X in as a demo bike at the moment, but none of the other scramblers, unfortunately. Maybe in a few weeks?
I bought the 900 as my first motorcycle, which turned out to be a perfect choice. It is on the heavy side which you only notice at slow speeds but the seat is low so you’re always in control. I for one, prefer the look of it to the other two as I’m a fan of the older look, except to agree that I would have liked the twin dials. The comment in the video is right - the sound of the 900 is unmatched… A year later I test rode a 1200 on the same day as a Street Triple 765 - the 1200 has “raw” power, whereas the 765 is insanely smooth - it was an easy choice. I bought the 765 as it has such “refined” power. I couldn’t bring myself to sell the 900 though as it is an easy ride, great looking and, as I said, the sound…
For me, I was between the 900 and 1200. The 900 won me over in looks, sound, price, insurance, and mpg. My previous bike at similar hp, but weighed more, had significantly less torque, and a much higher powerband and I had plenty of fun on that bike. So, I still gained with the 900 and it only leaves me wanting more in criminal ranges. I am envious of the power, 6th gear, and twin clocks on the 1200, but for me the 900 just checked more boxes. My 900 also came optioned with fox rear shocks, tpms, and heated grips. 1200s are still cool af, but theyre not the bike I need right now (and maybe the rational side of me knows that ~6k miles and 4 months wasnt enough time to get into triple digit power specs).
I ride the 1200. It does everything a smaller less powerful bike will do. If you like bimbling around the back roads it's a great relaxing ride. If occasionally you like to release the beast in yourself and the bike, WOW!!! what exciting jaw dropping performance that would be lacking in both the 400 and 900. So for me another long term owner of the Speed Twin 1200, it has to be the 1200, assuming your pockets can afford it.
I bought a Trident 660 for my wife after I watched your videos. A month ago I bought a Speed Twin 1200 for myself after I watched your videos. You mention "brutal" and I assume you refer to torque... I however also ride a well tuned Gen.3 KTM Super Duke R... and I wonder if the Speed Twin owners have ever swung a leg over a Super Duke R.... If ever you can, go try one - It is sensational in every aspect!!
Had a Thruxton R and sold it, which really tugged at my heartstrings. Now waiting on delivery of my 400X. Total change, go figure, but had an absolute blast test riding the 400X and bought it immediately after.
Triumph should slice production of the large displacement bikes and ramp up production of the 400s. They have a winner here if they keep the price where it is. I believe many purchase high horsepower bikes way over their skill level.(Ask me how I know). This thing has the look, and according to what I'm seeing, is doing what it was designed to do. I am sooooo tempted.
I'm stuck on picking between the 900 and 1200.. There's something in the 900 that speaks to my soul, I also love the modern retro speedometer A LOT, but I am afraid I'll want more power..
I have owned the T120 for few years and loved it. I moved to a GSA for longer rides and now want a Triumph again as second bike. The 900 looked nice until the 400 came along. I am seriously considering a 400 later this year. The 900 looks like a poor value. But the fact is we in the US can buy a relatively low mileage 900 for a little more than the 400 new. So that’s probably the route I will take.
Street Twin 900 is like all the menu on the restaurant 🎉🎉 this is the 3th year every ride is another tastiness 😎 200kmh is enough for speeding on highways😉
The 900 would suit me fine... if the 1200 didn't exist. Just as, if Triumph brought out a 1400, I would have to have that. Stupid, but what are you going to do? :)
I rode all three yesterday on demo and commented elsewhere on the 1200 already, so here I'll say that the 400 was surprisingly fun. First gear is mostly useless but if you keep around town and start in 2nd gear (unless you're on a hill maybe), it's great. Especially for beginners or for those that just like small bikes. The 900 felt meh but I already have a Speedmaster so maybe familiar is more apt.
Excellent review again Rocketman, and a pleasure to listen to. This is a topic I have been thinking about as well. I would get a Speed Twin because I love the looks, double clocks, everything about it really, but even secondhand its more than 10,000 euro where I live and thats over budget for a motorcycle to me. So, it would be a Street Twin, which you can get as of 7500/8000 EURO secondhand but.... I agree that it doesnt look as good, and I miss the double clocks. So I would go for a Bonneville. Though again, here you pay about 10000 for any secondhand watercooled refreshed Bonneville. Older models much cheaper of course. I am passing on the 400X partly because of your review, I am considering the Honda NX500 as well, which I hear you say is a much more comfy bike ( I just dont love the styling) and considering the Shotgun 650, which I hope you review soon. Ive seen that one in the flesh and it looks quite fancy in certain colors, with an analogue dash and a good seating position even for me at 189cm.
I have all three Scramblers, a 2024 Triumph Scrambler 400X, a 2022 Scrambler 1200XE, and a 2020 Street Scrambler… the 400: extremely good value, you learn how to shift (you do it a lot), engine revs high, seat height is for riders who don’t mind the elevated motorcycle seat height, too new for not still having some teething pain, however I had almost no issues so far… the 900: engine is strong and has a lot of torque, seat height is low and approachable, has only 5 gears, is basically a street bike which can take the unpaved country road to your destination, but has been dead reliable… 1200: hooligan engine, has been dead reliable, electronic gauges had been troublesome on my 2019 XC but on my 2022 XE I had no issues but it ia not what I would miss if it would be more basic, great suspension, but shorter riders might wanna grab the X instead, off-road able but who wants to make such a pretty bike dirty, or crash it?!… i have ridden all three, though the 400 is my wife’s and the 1200 is mine… you ask what about the 900?!… it is the allround bike we are fighting over: a classic road bike, you can run to grandpa Jim-Bob in the country and it is super approachable and simple enough that I call it the “Swiss Army Knife”. Yes the 400 got extreme value and the 1200 is extremely exciting… but short of not having enough power to ride on the freeway and having enough to attract even the sleepiest Trooper with a radar gun, I’d choose the comfortable, responsible, and cruiser like torque (for a 900) machine, the 900SS even landed on the truck bed for vacation… test drive all three… beware: while the 400 and 900 can be operated by a new or returning rider, the 1200 is for the more experienced, the one who can open and close the throttle responsible, as to not find the Highway to h… good luck
Despite the manufacturers, media like yourself and sometimes our own egos telling us that bigger is better, I don’t think that I’ll ever believe it as I can’t decide which is more fun(the main reason why most of us do it) - tickling the throttle of a big, powerful bike and screaming like a girl or holding a wide open throttle for much longer on a smaller, more manageable machine and realising maybe 90% of it’s potential compared to perhaps 45% of it’s big brother… And yes, I find it annoying when it’s said that 40bhp bikes are great for beginners and as second bikes, so having experienced everything from 125cc, 600 sports, mid-size tourers through to Harley Road Kings, I’ve got a Speed 400 on order as my only bike and I can’t wait! Enjoy your ride whatever it is but give smaller capacity bikes the credit they deserve rather than being lesser.
Agreed. I tend to go for extremes - loved my 9hp Honda Vision scooter, but am equally drawn to OTT brutes like the ST 1200 or Rocket. All part of being human, I guess. Maybe AI will sort us all out in a few years?? :(
Want to trade my Street Twin 900 to a Speed Twin 1200, but my Street Twin is dialed in with Koni shocks and front springs, and found just the right oil weight for the front with my springs and I have a Ninja 1000SX that can give me visceral, front wheel raised power pulls that give me excitement anytime needed.
The 900 is a enough bike for anyone if they're being honest, at least insofar as a 'do it all' bike if one could only afford a single motorcycle; the 1200 is for someone who wants a retro that offers some (some) level of comparable performance to a 'proper' sport bike. The 400 is a well-built 'my first bike' that is also a brilliant commuter. I have a 2020 Speed Twin 1200 that I basically made into a superior Thruxton - I wanted a retro version of my supernaked sports bike for casual riding around the mountains and taking to classic bike meetups, and it fit the ticket in a way that my Speed Triple 1200 RS can't (namely in looks, hah!). Personally, I actually like the gaitered forks and true retro looks of the 900 and older 1200 models - I really dislike the USD forks (that aren't even that good nor are they adjustable) on the '22 and later Speed 1200s, but that's purely for aesthetic reasons. A retro that tries to look somewhat modern just strikes me as... out of synch, especially as a retro-setup twin is just never going to handle like a proper sport bike anyway. All in all, I find I agree with most of your take on the three! I've ridden the 400, my partner owns the 900 (which I have ridden plenty), and of course I own the 1200. Cheers.
Agree totally. Nobody NEEDS the 1200, or even the 900. I’d be quite happy with the 400… if I didn’t know the other 2 existed. Just as I’m perfectly satisfied with my 1200… but if Triumph bring out a turbocharged version…😬
@@RocketMan_Moto That would be the Rocket III, but I agree with what I perceive to be your impression - it's too bloody heavy and lacks for agility. I was able to test ride one once, and it was thrilling, but wholly impractical - almost as impractical as a hardcore race rep supersport.
I'm about to buy the 400. Just retired and want a lighter bike, cheaper to run (gas prices where I live are getting silly ) and I'm not a speed freak. I'm luckier than most in that I live in the twisties and get to ride them every day, the 400 is perfect for me, although the scrambler is a better fit, I've gone for the better cornering of the Speed.
The 900 is a real bargain on the used market. Lot's of low mileage ones at affordable prices. Then you can use the rest of your money on accessories and upgrades 😀And it does everything so good, and feels like a bigger bike.
You can see the wheels of my ktm 1290 super adventure S in the beginning of the video. I saw you there in the shop and I thought that it was you with camera in the chest mount, but I wasn't sure. It would have been nice to chat a little with you. I like your videos a lot. I went there with a friend and I loved the shop and I tested the tiger 900 and 1200 and the two small 400. Loved them all with their very different purposes. But we'll chat a little next time.
Yey again another well informed video & once again I agree with you on not just your own bike but in general the 1200 but how long have we both been saying about an upgrade or update how ever you want to call it but lets be honest when was the last time they updated the 1200 all they seem to do is bring out special editions or limited edition with just a paint job that's seriously not worth the extra money especially when they can't even match the tank colour with the mudguards front and rear & let alone so new tech or clocks & so here's another new year with no updates for the 1200 soo disappointing yet again from triumph!!🤔🤷🏼♂️ But enough about moaning & great video as usual fine sir!!👌🏻👍🏻😎
@RocketMan_Moto Exactly just a Tank paint up & then call it or them special editions or limited editions bloody joke but what do we know!! 🤔 🤷🏼♂️ All i know is that I still won't buy one until they seriously update it how ever long that will be!!🤔🤷🏼♂️😬
@@RocketMan_Moto 🤣 what bike does Mrs RM ride actually? That's also my concern... the Street Glide will always be No. 1, but in what case do e prefer the Speed 400 over the GS 🤔
She’s still learning to ride, so doesn’t have a bike. If I bought the 400 ‘for her’ and she didn’t pass her test, it would be a waste, because I don’t really go on rides where a 400 would be better than either my scooter or my Tiger🤔
@@RocketMan_Moto an other bike in the garage can never ever be a waste☝🏻 😜 But honestly, wouldn't the 400 be the perfect beginner bike? I'm pretty sure, she would like it so much and ride so often, she can hardly not pass the test 😎 And if nothing else helps, just drop me a line, I'll give a new home to this beauty for free 😎
Had a StreetTwin (now SpeedTwin900) and it was ok for putting around and cruising but now got a SpeedTwin1200 and it a different experience. 1200 is more than just a bigger engine, but the 17" wheels and brakes are so much better. I hate that Triumph uses the Speed name for the 900 and 400. I know they trying to sell bikes but it cheapens the name plate. The Speed name means more performance, something the 900 and 400 are not.
Speed Twin 900 Review I just got a Speed Twin 900 as my 1st motorcycles 🏍️. It is absolutely awesome, I am 45 years old, 5ft 7inches. This motorcycle has Great 👍🏽 Ergonomics to sit and drive High Torque which makes it FUN to drive Easy to handle Superb Sound better than the 1200 Best Looking I have driven the 1200 and the engine heat 🔥 hitting your legs 🦵 is a DEAL BREAKER, this is diff from T120 it’s not about 1200cc the Speed Twin 1200 engine is different and it produces way too much heat to hit your legs and destroy 😢 the experience
900 all the way. I don't like the weight as I'm older and getting her out of the shed is a painful work out sometimes but she a brilliant bike. Does everything a proper bike should and I regularly get +/- 70 mpg over the 4k iv had her probably due to the torque power band. Your 1200 is a nice bike but my 900 resembles what I envisage as a "proper" triumph made for transport and fun rather than racing or risk taking. Yes i sound like an old git 😂 but iv seen them come and go and im still on 2 wheels 48yrs after passing my test. Ride safe and free brother 👍😎
I think I’ll stick with my 1200 I reckon you will as well Rocket 😊 nice to to see how each is though 😎👌☕️ riding my 1200 and smelling the coffee and getting older 75 in April 😂
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I am buying my son a Speed 400. Looks great, has a bit of that Triumph mystique, and (short of any major crash damage) I anticipate it will bring a resell amount much closer to the purchase price than other options when he moves up. But...and this is the critical piece...another young rider enters motorcycling on a Triumph. Damn genius of Triumph to get such a well put together bike out there for $ that makes it comparable to used starter bikes and gets young people riding the brand. If HD had done that, they might still be relevant in a few years.
Great first bike👍😊
My dad 84 years of age would Love the 400. He loves the way my 1200 sounds and looks but feels the brutal way its engine works and its weight to much.
I know he is tempted. And for the money it is So enticing.
I’m actually thinking of buying the Scrambler 400X as a nimble bike around town.
No I’m not selling my 1200. Never!
Please tell your son to use all the necessary equipment while riding. Mine made an accident and he survived due to good quality shoei helmet and thanks to wearing other equipment.
No, don't sell it. Bikes like the ST1200 will probably be banned soon anyway :(
Sage advice :)
I'm like you a 1200 Speed Twin owner. It's two bikes in one. You can trundle around using the low down torque and be as smooth as butter. Open it up and let the revs climb and it becomes a different beast. Many practical faults like inadequate mudguards but these are curable with aftermarket additions. The point is this is a bike that make you smile when you wheel it out of the garage and just look, makes you smile at the noise when you start it, and makes you smile on every ride. Not cheap, but a machine that makes me smile, priceless.
Absolutely agree. Its hopelessly impractical compared to my Transalp, for example (cramped, no wind protection, luggage ruins the looks, etc), but I love it :)
I have two RE 350's and an Interceptor, i agree with what he said and Inty feels more planted compare to 350's, i never owned triumph Bonneville but planning to.
@@muttineni03 If you got the budget, you won’t be disappointed 💯 and that stock exhaust sound is so good
@@ramirof1986 Are you taking about T120 or Interceptor? I'm surprised with how good parallel twin of Interceptor is that I'm constantly thinking about T120 as it's parallel twin as well with lot more power, if I'll ever upgrade i guess I'll get T120 for now I'm looking for couple of test drives. But bike looks gorgeous.
I went for the 900 - I love the sound, and the low seat height was a winner for me. I do agree with you, the single clock is a great visual disappointment, and the shocks need an upgrade. Other than that, I prefer the old school looks, and riding on back roads is what it's for.
Totally understand that. Enjoy👍😊
The Fox RSU is lovely in my opinion, especially if you have a passenger. Also Pirelli Demons on it are lovely. Becomes a different machine - way more agile and comfy than the price would indicate. I have 16K miles on my 2022.
Hi, the 900 may only have 1 clock as standard but it is cheaper than the T100 which has twin clocks for a bit more cash outlay though!
@@brunomalisheski4682 Agree seat height is a big deal for me. Used Speed 900s are around $7k here - a very fair price for the smiles.
I love my 1200. 55000 kms in 3 years, she takes me everywhere and still after all this time she puts a smile on my face, in the city and in the twisties. I call her my forever bike, one I will never sell.
Totally get that! Ride safe😊👍
The only thing I'd love to know is how bothersome really is wind blast on the highways?
@@VirenV7 it's fine if you are doing 120. When you go faster for a long time it does get tiring.
Yes, the wind blast is the problem😟
I've got the dart classic screen, and with ear plugs I can comfortably sit at 85 MPH with no issues, geared up to 17t on the front so it's much less buzzy. Get around 55mpg
I'm buying a Speed 400. Many, many moons ago I rode the Yamaha RD350 and then the Yamaha 650 Special. I have only regularly riden a 150 CC bike since then. As I'm getting older, I wanted to own a bigger CC thumper and this Triumph came out at the right time and fits me perfectly for my size, use and wants. I hope to receive delivery this month here in Southeast Asia. Thanks for the video.
You won't be disappointed, it's a great 'little' bike. I would buy one, if I had a need for a 400. Nobody NEEDS the 9 or the 12, but we just can't resist. I love my 1200, but if they brought out a 1400, I would have to have it, lol :)
The 900 looks the best. 18'' front wheel, fork gaiters and a plain, round dash. I like the torque coming in so low down. Just like my SCR950. Nick
I owned a 900 and put 10k miles on it. It was such a lovely and fun motorcycle. I eventually sold it for the reasons you mentioned, but especially because it felt like it was lacking a 6th gear to cruise comfortably at highway speed (around 80mph where I live).
I eventually upgraded to a Thruxton 1200 and I’m again very impressed with what Triumph have done. Amazing bikes all around.
Enjoy :)
The 1200 is a great bike which you can't go wrong with and has a 6th gear. For the 900 riders though, the trick with the 900 5 gears and searching for a 6th (which the more expensive 1200 has) is don't change up early! The engines deliver a lot of torque but you can rev them happily higher than most people realise. The lazy torque delivery is great but don't be scared of revving it higher! they are designed for it, so don't worry, work it more. I can change up at over 80mph from 4th to 5th on mine, which is an air cooled 865cc 2013 T100 Bonneville. This bike delivers power in a more linear manner and peak power and torque occur higher in the rev range, but I suspect the same trick could be played on the more modern 900! When you get used to higher revs and change up at 80mph say, then you won't be expecting an extra 6th gear. I think this can sometimes be overlooked, you have engine balancer shafts in the engine to prevent higher revs from being uncomfortable and too vibratory, why not make use of them!
ST 900 is the Goldilocks bike for me. Taking my wife on pillion is a consideration. I had a ST1200 but traded that for a BMW R1250RT with a view to comfortable touring. Now I’ve downsized to the ST900 for more local riding. I have a top box I occasionally put on the 900, which gives the wife a feeling of security, as well as a bit of practicality. Agree though, the ST1200 is a beautiful bike and the Speed400 is probably good for riding solo locally. But Goldilocks, the compromiser (in their seventies) prefers the ST900. Thanks for the interesting comparison. 😊
Thanks, Pete👍😊
I bought a Speed 400 for those "Gee, what a nice day for a short ride" days when I really didn't want to drag out my Tiger Explorer. Absolutely NO regrets. Riding since 1961.
Excellent👍😊
Are you just bragging about having a Tiger E , much like a Vegan ? 🤭.
@@leeinwis 🤣🤣🤣
I bought the bonneville T120 with 105 Nm @ 3500 rpm. It is perfect for me because it’s more comfortable than the Speed and sounds better as well. I upgraded front and rear shocks with Ohlins as well ❤. And put handlebar risers. I will never sell it.
I agree the T120 is more comfortable. Ride safe👍😊
I love my Thruxton RS. Had a Speed Twin 900 for 2 years and I was constantly yearning for more. So happy I bought the Thruxton (1200) and like this video would encourage others to do the same.
Fabulous bike. There are rumours the name will reappear shortly on an iteration of the 400 platform. Mmm, not sure about that...
Great presentation, thank you.
The 400 looks best of all three and I expect Triumph to update the other two designwise in the shorter future. Also the rear suspension with these two shocks should be replaced by a more contemporary linked single shock suspension.
I testrode the 1200 two years ago when I was in the market for a classic naked bike and although the engine really pleased me I finally went for my Kawa Z900RS and didn't regret that decision.
The Z900RS is an awesome machine👍😊
Nah!..the 1200 and 900 are timeless Classics, I love the looks with the twin shocks and everything, If one wishes a more modern bike there is the street triple or Trident. IMO the Classic ones are a bit more practical, for example with my street Twin 900 I also use it in some mild off roading with 50/50 dualsport Tires, the 18inch front wheel although it can be a pain to find front tires for it, it can handle a bit of the slightly larger bumps or road imperfections. Handles well on road, its comfy, low seat height and you can also tour on it, the 900 has more than enough power and its very smooth. Not the cup for everyone but it can do a bit of everything which is good.
The 400's are nice but honestly I wished they where more similar to the classics, to me its like they are half speed 900 on the front and half trident from the seat backwards. Not a bad thing entirely but looks for looks the classic ones are more better looking, or at least for me. Now what I wish is that they also make 125cc models, how about a modern Triumph Tiger Cub?😅
A 61 tiger cub(used, very!) was my first bike primitive but who cares when yr 12 years old😊@@ripmax333
Actually I got 1200 three weeks ago, thanks also to your videos. Found demo model, much better priced compared to “brand new”. Love it! Even in still cold conditions. Cheers.
Great choice. It’s definitely a warm-weather bike, though. Spring is nearly here😊
I have a 1200xc as my first bike. I'm not sure why you would have a bike do anything less. perfection
It's hopeless on the motorway, it's cramped (for me) and luggage just ruins the looks... but we love it :)
I do like the gator look, also they do perform a function. I'd also like a 400, but as I already have a scooter and a suzuki gsx 8s it's not offering anything functionally. I think Triumph nailed it with the 400, if I had one bike, I could make the 400 work.
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Great video! I thought I would pick the 400... but damn it, once you put it that way - I now want a 1200 too! I am all into small bikes now, but 1200 makes me want to make an exception.
Lol, oh dear, sorry. Nobody NEEDS the 1200, the 400 will take you from A to B just the same for 1/3 of the cost. But those steak juices..!
I'm long past my touring days and also up in the years where my main desire is to take some nice leisurely rides on a warm summer morning on some 2 lane roads. So it's the Speed 400 for me. I don't want "brutal" and I certainly don't want "heavy". My first "real" motorcycle was a Honda CB77 Super Hawk. Between then and now I've owned big , fast machines with high horsepower and viscious acceleration. They were fun, but I can't say that I got the most pleasure in riding by pulling wheelies or doing a 10 second quarter mile. My most pleasurable memories were those of riding that Honda. Maybe its just rose colored glasses or the innocence of youth, but there's just something that attracts me to a small, agile, fun to ride machine.
Totally understand and empathise with that. Ride safe👍😊
I brought a new 77 Super Hawk it was awesome and so reliable. I lived on the hills and because I new every corner it took a very good rider to pass me. My front tyre became wedge shaped so much so I cut a sheep in half at 60 miles and hour. No damage to me but the bike ended up with bent forks.....and the smell was intense. I am 72 now and looking to buy a T120 Bonneville
Bike size depends largely how one uses it. If I'm gonna ride 500 miles a day cruising 70-90mph and/or hitting inclement weather, my Super Tenere is obvious choice. Traction, tech, power, comfort, protection is all needed. For cheap commute around city, beating traffic, touring occasionally up to 300-400 miles a day, hauling on hitch carrier of truck for vacation, cb500x is best fit and very fun bike. For slow speed, short distances 200-400cc is sufficiant and more fun than heavier bikes. There is also issue of afforability. I would say most people ride what they can afford.
Thanks for your input👍
I have not ridden these modern Triumphs, but I frequently hop on my 1973 T140V Bonneville for a cheap thrill. Weighing less than 400 lbs, it has good power, plenty enough for traveling twisty roads at 50 mph or less. Handling is superb. If the modern classics can duplicate it, they are doing quite well, IMO. Your account of the modern 900 sounds just like my T140. Long live the Bonneville.
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Picking up my 400x today. This was a passion buy. I just love the way it looks. I don't ride aggressively and most of my pleasure riding takes place in Appalachia on single lane mountain roads of varying conditions. The 400x seems like it's going to be a good fit for my intended purpose. Time will tell.
Fantastic. Enjoy! I agree it’s a great looker and it’s enough bike anybody really needs👍😊
I also own a 1200 speed twin and you’re right about the power delivery and feel. I also own a classic 650 bonneville and 750 Norton, each one was the rocket ship in its day. I think there is nothing better than riding a twin for the sound and torque.
Absolutely👍😀
I had a T100 and I loved the look of the Speed Twin 1200 when it first came out. I was set on getting one but when I finally got to sit on one, I realised just how small they actually are. I'm 185 cm and 100 kg. Then last year I tried a Scrambler 1200 XE chrome edition and was sold. A big, beautiful bike, with all the grunt that you describe of your Speed Twin. I love it.
I agree, it is on the small side for me (187cm), but I just can't resist that torque ;)
Appreciate the honesty and perspective from an owner.
Appreciate your nice comment :)
I’ve owned a 1200 for 3 years now and totally agree with the brutal power delivery….but it’s addictive and I love it!
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Nicely presented. Well, I'm glad I watched this video after eating my lunch, even though licking the screen is not really my thing. So the 900 has the knees by the ears (the lowest seat height...too low for my body) and the 1200 comes with an organ donor card. I wouldn't mind the 1200 if the weight would be lower. But as it is, I'd buy the 400. The 50-something kg weight penalty is quite significant to me.
Yes, I'd get to our provincial road speed limit of 80 km/h 3 or 4 seconds faster, but then the low speed handling and parking are so much easier with 170 kg.
The 400 is a fine machine. Great value👍😊
Thank you for the wonderful comparisons. Very objective, with your own biases clearly noted.
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I’ve owned a 09 Bonnie SE for 10 years. It’s what became the street twin. With a tune, some pipes and removing all the extra air crap it’s in the 80+ hp range. It’s a real hoot around the bends or town. Highway kinda sucks but I don’t want to ride there anyway
Yes, lack of wind protection means that none of these bikes is very good on the motorway. Thanks for your input😊👍
Great review! I pre ordered a Speed 400, way back in September. Why? I'm 68 and not ridden a bike for 35 years- until I had a couple of refresher lessons in the Autumn. That showed me, I needed more practice, so bought a cheap Mutt 125. Good move.
The 1200 has so much appeal but, my age and the real world- eg my driveway has a noticeable slope making bike handling difficult- means I am happy to take the 400.
Should arrive soon!
Great choice! The 400 is a lovely bike to ride. Nobody NEEDS the 1200 - or even the 900, for that matter. Enjoy😊👍
good on you I am 72 in 2 months and in 3 weeks I pick up my T120 Bonniville
I ended up with a T120, but the 900 is the most fun I've ever had on a Triumph retro, 1200 included. There's something about the low power big noise combination that makes it hilarious around town.
Totally agree👍😊
Good video. For me I have a Bobber Black. Yes there’s more practical/cheaper options but that not why I ride a bike. It’s down to coolness and for me the Bobber Black is the coolest stock bike you can buy.
Definitely a cool bike👍😊
with the A2 option on the 900, there is actually a very big probability that the speed 400 and 900 might be on someones list. further more the 900 and 1200 might also be on someones list. so yes this is a good comparison to be had and thank you for doing it :).
Thanks for your encouragement, glad you enjoyed it :)
I got myself a Speed 400 and it’s awesome. Next upgrade will be the 1200 for sure. Very informative video.
Very different beasts😊
I have owned a Speed Twin 1200 for 5 years, and won`t be getting rid of it. I used to own a Street Cup 900, the cafe racer version of the then Street Twin, now Speed Twin 800, but the single front disc was pitiful for two up riding. So i traded it for the Speed Twin. I then found myself going to bike shows and shops, and seemed to have moor interest in smaller capacity bike, and when the Speed 400 came out, i bought one, and absolutely love it. Living in Dorset, a county with no motorways, and very few faster main roads, there`s no point in have a litre class sporttsbike, and the Speed Twin really makes sense. But when you start travelling around Dorsets narrow twisty windy back lanes, the Twin becomes a chore to ride, as it does around town, but this is where the Speed 400 comes into its own, it`s enormous fun a license friendly speeds, that`s why i`m keeping both the Speed Twin 1200, and the Speed 400. I have the perfect bikes for both worlds.
Thanks for your input👍😊
Miss my speed twin ! I had the first model with the gatted forks ! Your right though that motor is bloody fantastic, gotta say though I was in triumph Birmingham today and there are loads of 400's going out today because of the 1st March new reg they told me they can't get enough of them , very impressive for the money ❤
Lol, interesting. I always forget about the obsession with new number plate letters/numbers in the UK. Not really a thing on the continent😊
I'm in Brazil and I own a 1200 (2023) before that I owned a 765 RS (2018) and like you I wouldn't trade my 1200 for anything. Excellent bike, especially on mountain roads with lots of curves. Interestingly, in Brazil the Speed 1200 costs approximately 5% less than the 765 RS
Strange how prices vary around the world. The ST1200 is 15% more than the 765RS here🤷♂️ Btw, Mrs RM is from Recife 🇧🇷
I’ve put 12k miles on my 900 over the past year. I learned to ride on it. My first bike. But I find myself contemplating the 1200 quite a bit. Sometimes I find myself in a sportier mood, wishing I had that brutal torque and 17” wheels. The brakes and clocks and the sixth gear put it over the top.
The 1200 is definitely more exciting. Have you test ridden one?
The Speed Twin 1200 is the sensible choice, but being 6'2", I went with my heart and got the Scrambler 1200 Steve McQueen Edition! Two years later, this bike still brings the biggest grin.
Beautiful machine, but I’d be worried about the heat from the exhaust during the long hot summers here in the Algarve. How do you find it?
Thermal exhaust tape is amazing to reduce the heat. My Euro 5 bike has the cat way back, way better than the Euro 4 version that I have tested and roasted my leg!
Interesting. Thanks👍
I live in Vilamoura and have been down every road in the video, so I right enjoyed that. Hopefully ill be in to see you soon, investment pending. I fancy the 900, your on the 125..😎🔆
See you at Triumph Algarve👍
8:37 The 900 is just a Big Mac. LMFAOOOO 😂
Nothing wrong with a Big Mac, I love them. But a 'real' juicy steak is on the next level :)
And thev400 is a cheese burger 😅
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We’ve started a new type of scale here!
I'd go for a Sunday roast and get the T120. Plenty of grunt, good acceleration 70-95, comfier seat and pillion and less twitchy. Or the new R12nineT with heated grips and a quickshifter for a few more bob - bratwurst?
Thank you for this, just what I needed was an honest comparison. Still torn between SpeedTwin 1200 and Bonneville T-120.
Very different bikes: T120 is very laid back… too laid back for me personally. The Speed Twin 1200 is a steak in vegetarian clothing😊
@@RocketMan_Moto thank you for responding. I have seen the video in full and I understand the steak reference :) The both bikes mentioned by myself are what I love visually but I won't make the decision before I ride both. Thanks to your video, I know I should try the Speed 1200 vs whatever else I have in mind. Many safe returns to you!
Nice comparison test, for me I'd buy the Moto Guzzi (yes I know you were looking at 3 Triumphs) It's cheaper, more characterful, shaft drive and oozes Italian Charm. Ok the 900 then.
Unfortunately the Guzzi dealer here in the Algarve is terrible
I've had a 900 for a couple of years and love it, but I can't shake the temptation of the 1200. The intoxicating power and beefier looks are very appealing. The 900 does sound better, as you said, but that's fixable on the 1200. I might have to get a used one and live with it for a while before deciding which to keep.
This is the problem. I'd be perfectly happy with the 900, but knowing there was a 1200 within reach would keep me awake at night. Just as if one day Triumph brings out a Speed Twin 1400, I will absolutely have to have it ;)
Hi All, I just wanted to say that for the 900 peeps, I have an 865cc air cooled EFI T100 2013 and my wife and I have just ridden down to the South of France on a 2,137miles round trip with only a basic luggage rack the bike came with, a genuine triumph bib front screen to keep the wind off that the bike again fortunately came with. We travelled light using Oxford Heritage wax cotton throw over panniers and an Oxfor Heritage top bag (waterproof inners), all in black to match the black coloured bike. This luggage had room for 3-5 changes of clothes, some tools, spare bulbs and an electric tyre inflator to keep the rear tyre at 41psi and a tin of chain lube. I only lubed the chain once and filled the rear tyre with air once in the entire trip, leaving my wife to question the tools, Haynes Manual and spare parts😂😂! We also got inexpensive TEC side bars to prevent the luggage from touching the shocks or back wheel. I have changed to Alf Hagon road shocks for bum comfort and put in a Booster plug to keep the fuel mixture from being too lean, so no stalling or over-revving at pullaway and accelerates better. That setup is solid. My wife prefers the slower speed of the T100 Bonneville, which still cruises happily at 80mph and the good news is they can certainly be toured! We are in our 60's and we noticed lots of 2 up 900 new and old Bonnevilles at the Distinguished Gentleman's ride in Birmingham UK this year.
Great input, thanks👍😊
Great one! Keep on doing the great job !!
Thanks👍😊
First: Thx for this comparison, me and a lot other folks have been waiting for!
Second: 900. More than enough motorbike.
Thanks. You’re absolutely right, the 900 is perfectly adequate😊👍
Love the comparison between the steak and the Big Mac, I almost fell off my seat :-) 2 years in and I'm loving my 2022 1200 ....
I don't think we'll see the likes of the ST 1200 again... unfortunately :(
I'm still on my 2019 Speed Twin 1200 after 5 years. It was my first big bike as a middle aged newbie rider.
When I was buying my first big bike in 2019, I was torn between the 900 and 1200. I plumped for the 1200 more on the fact that I thought "if I get the 900 I'm going to want to be trading it in very shortly".
5 years later, I still haven't out grown the 1200. It's still way more than I need in a bike . I'm still loving it. Having the "rip my arms off torque" on tap is still exhilarating, even though I don't do it that often !
When I've test ridden the Street/Speed 900 in the last few years, usually at service times, I've never regretted getting the 1200. It's not that the 900 is bad, it's just the 1200 is that bit better.
As for the Speed 400 , I'll have to get a test ride. They did look sold out when I went to my local Triumph dealer recently. So that could be hard.
I doubt I'd buy one, unless I ended up doing a local town centre commute ( that's unlikely to happen ).
The bikes I'm more likely to get are another striple or Tracer 9 GT ! I do miss a triple engine .
PS , you could change your youtube name to "Speed Twin Man" 🙂
Haha, nice idea, but I just sold my beloved Speed Twin for a Tiger 900. Less thrilling, but more versatile😊
@@RocketMan_Moto TigerMan then !
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Always wished the 900 pipes were put on the 1200. Sounds and looks so much better. Love my Street Twin 900. Upgraded to Koni shocks and changed springs and oil in front, and handles amazing.
I bet! Yes, I wanted to swap the pipes over while the dealer had his back turned😩
I have the 1200 and live in Southern California. I'm an acceleration junkie and the bike has all the punch I want. It's docile up to 3500 rpm, then accelerates like a rocket from there. I ride the freeways mostly at 80-90 mph and it wants to go faster. It's really 2 bikes in one. Two dislikes are that the turn sigs are not self cancelling and you need a magnifying glass to find the side stand.
A lot of people find the side stand annoying, but I can’t say I’ve had a problem. Must be my dainty ballerina’s feet..?🤔
that whole review had me smiling ,,,, well done , the bit when you admitted the 900 sounded better than yours made me laugh , you don't often show much emotion - but that was brilliant ;;; i am also surprised that the 900 is just as useful as the 12 , it seems that it is a fair chunk of money to buy better looks and more go ;;;
I agree, buying the 1200 over the 900 makes no sense. But neither does buying the 900 over the 400, lol :)
Im going to get the 400, simply because i live in Lisbon, in the old part of the city with all the cobble stones, trams and hills so lightweight and agility are a must, if i was living in the Algarve i would get the 900 for sure, i hate heavy bikes but that torque must feel great cruising along
We lived in Cascais before moving down to the Algarve, and I agree that the 400 makes more sense in a city environment. Ride safe :)
Good comparison video. Being very short and getting on in age I think I would go for the 400 if I was to back to riding.
Yea, I think the 400 is a good bike to do about anything except take regular long cross country trips.
The 400 is perfectly adequate for most people, including me. Nobody NEEDS the 1200 - or even the 900 - but those steak juices are irresistible :)
I'm seriously considering a second bike. I have my Indian Chieftain which is great for the longer rides, but a bit heavy sometimes in town. In my opinion, the 400 would be a great addition. I just have to go out test ride one. :)
Perfect complement to your Chieftain👍😊
They are all good.
But size matters..
500 speed twin, please Triumph.
Ride safe 👍
I’d rather like a Speed Twin 1600, but I doubt we’ll ever get that😑
I've ridden both the 900 and 1200 and agree with what you've said. The 900 looks and feels old, is much slower steering than the 1200 and really doesn't deserve to be called 'Speed'. I loved the 1200's power delivery but living in England I couldn't bring myself to buy a big bike without a fairing. So, if I bought any of them it would be the 400 as a second bike to my Yamaha Tracer 700.
Good point. The total lack of wind protection on these bikes means that, when it’s cold, they’re pretty much unusable. Now I have the Honda Transalp, the Speed 1200 has become a warm-weather bike🤔
Get the 1200 and keep the Tracer as your second bike?!
I'm on a 2024 Street Triple R and I absolutely love it! I do keep saying though that my next bike might be the Speed Twin 1200 - it's just a cool looking bike with a goodly acceptable amount of performance (at least as I perceive it).
The Street Triple is ultimately the (much) quicker bike - I used to have a 2017 - but the Speed 1200 is such a beefy wolf in sheep’s clothing😉
@@RocketMan_Moto And as I'm reaching my upper middle age that might be just the trick. ;)
It certainly worked for me😍
The Virtue is In the middle!
Certainly sounds the best
I would go for 900 since mostly are city use like 80% but long distance 20% (Thailand roads) 🙏🏻
The 900 is the rational choice, especially for urban duties
The new slipper clutch makes city riding on the 900 more pleasurable I believe?
They are all good at differing things, of course you recomend the 12 as u have one, deffo wouldnt call a 9 a compromise though, as for a lot its a better bike ..quickish,reliable, dependable,and a good looker,,12 is nice but often heavy for some,,, i like the 4 but its not enough for some
I've sold my 1200 now, but I would still buy one over the other 2 :)
I am going to change my scrambler 900 for speed twin 1200. I will miss Gandalf the grey, but new stealth edition 1200 is just so tempting, that I have to proceed. It is now or never... looking forward to this change
Fabulous machine. Just swapped mine for a Tiger 900, but I wish I could have both😩
A little windscreen makes a world of difference in comfort. It doesn't have to be big , and a lot of them look pretty cool.
I had a fly screen on my 1200, but left it off after my custom paint job
I bought a Speed Twin 1200 a year ago. It's my first bike. I practiced on a SV650 and an Aprilia Pegaso. I test rode a Speed Twin shortly after i got my licence and bought it. It's got more of everything that i will be able to use, and any other bike i have tested since has been something of a disappointment. I love my bike.
First bike? Wow, respect! I agree - nobody NEEDS a 1200, but what a machine. Ride safe :)
Yeah, i starten practicing in april 2022. Got my license in september and bought the bike as a Christmas gift for myself. The main reason I bought the 1200 and not the 900 was mainly the seat height, the 6th gear and the amazing torque. Still remember the first time I opened up the throttle and went above 3500 rpm. 😁
Haha, I bet :)
Good comparison video 👍 I am also riding a Speed Twin 1200 in Korea. I tuned variously such as Olins suspension tuning and Brembo brake tuning. I filmed and uploaded a RUclips video as a hobby. Drive safely
Great bike, especially with the Öhlins. Ride safe :)
Good video. I’d go for the 900 (if this model were to be modernized). I like "modern-Classic." For me,I find the 1200 too much of a good thing. As for the 400, you are right, it is not a premium bike and it is still a single-cylinder.
I agree the 1200 is definitely OTT, but that's what I find irresistible, lol. Not a fan of single-cylinder bikes, either.
Thanks for the test video. Good idea, I like it. Also I like the new 400, thinking about to bye the little scrambler. Triumph make a good job.
At least, don't drive without gloves, after three crashes in my life, I now what it means to use gloves. For summertimes the market give a great choice of light gloves.. Think about how many younger drivers see your videos...
Thank you again, always good tours for you.
ruclips.net/video/NSkKY69WJ-E/видео.html :)
Very fine comparison! I would take the 400 scrambler. It is verly light, you can easyly go on gravel roads and it is much cheaper... the only disadvantage is driving on a Highway... so you have to turn off your brain and ride the 120 as long as it takes
Thank you. Yes, if you can 'switch off' when you're on the motorway, then the 400 is fine. The Speed is a nicer ride than the Scrambler, though, imo :)
Love to see the same rundown on the Scramblers! LOVE my street scrambler… but now there’s the 1200X. 🤔
Btw, love hearing “pejorative” used as vernacular 👍👍
What a great idea! Triumph Algarve have the 400X in as a demo bike at the moment, but none of the other scramblers, unfortunately. Maybe in a few weeks?
#yesplease
Fingers crossed. Thanks again for the idea😊👍
I bought the 900 as my first motorcycle, which turned out to be a perfect choice. It is on the heavy side which you only notice at slow speeds but the seat is low so you’re always in control. I for one, prefer the look of it to the other two as I’m a fan of the older look, except to agree that I would have liked the twin dials. The comment in the video is right - the sound of the 900 is unmatched…
A year later I test rode a 1200 on the same day as a Street Triple 765 - the 1200 has “raw” power, whereas the 765 is insanely smooth - it was an easy choice. I bought the 765 as it has such “refined” power. I couldn’t bring myself to sell the 900 though as it is an easy ride, great looking and, as I said, the sound…
Perfect garage👍😊
Please do a similar review on the triumph scrambler range. I went for the 900 street scrambler
Good idea, but I will have to wait until all the stars align and my local dealer has them available for demonstration at the same time :)
I’d buy a Speed Twin 900 just for that motor symphony :)
Don't!
For me, I was between the 900 and 1200. The 900 won me over in looks, sound, price, insurance, and mpg. My previous bike at similar hp, but weighed more, had significantly less torque, and a much higher powerband and I had plenty of fun on that bike. So, I still gained with the 900 and it only leaves me wanting more in criminal ranges. I am envious of the power, 6th gear, and twin clocks on the 1200, but for me the 900 just checked more boxes. My 900 also came optioned with fox rear shocks, tpms, and heated grips. 1200s are still cool af, but theyre not the bike I need right now (and maybe the rational side of me knows that ~6k miles and 4 months wasnt enough time to get into triple digit power specs).
Good call. Enjoy😊👍
I ride the 1200. It does everything a smaller less powerful bike will do. If you like bimbling around the back roads it's a great relaxing ride. If occasionally you like to release the beast in yourself and the bike, WOW!!! what exciting jaw dropping performance that would be lacking in both the 400 and 900. So for me another long term owner of the Speed Twin 1200, it has to be the 1200, assuming your pockets can afford it.
Pretty much sums it up 👍😊
I bought a Trident 660 for my wife after I watched your videos. A month ago I bought a Speed Twin 1200 for myself after I watched your videos. You mention "brutal" and I assume you refer to torque... I however also ride a well tuned Gen.3 KTM Super Duke R... and I wonder if the Speed Twin owners have ever swung a leg over a Super Duke R.... If ever you can, go try one - It is sensational in every aspect!!
Fabulous bike👍😊
Had a Thruxton R and sold it, which really tugged at my heartstrings. Now waiting on delivery of my 400X. Total change, go figure, but had an absolute blast test riding the 400X and bought it immediately after.
I get that. I preferred the Speed 400 to the Scrambler 400, which surprised me. Enjoy👍😊
Triumph should slice production of the large displacement bikes and ramp up production of the 400s. They have a winner here if they keep the price where it is. I believe many purchase high horsepower bikes way over their skill level.(Ask me how I know). This thing has the look, and according to what I'm seeing, is doing what it was designed to do. I am sooooo tempted.
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I'm stuck on picking between the 900 and 1200.. There's something in the 900 that speaks to my soul, I also love the modern retro speedometer A LOT, but I am afraid I'll want more power..
The 900 also sounds better and tbh there’s not that much of a difference in power until you really give it the beans. Nice dilemma to have👍😊
I love my ST1200. I don’t push it that often to quickly spend extra money for the rear shocks. In due time, those Ohlins will be mine. Haha
Lol, you won't regret it
I have owned the T120 for few years and loved it. I moved to a GSA for longer rides and now want a Triumph again as second bike.
The 900 looked nice until the 400 came along. I am seriously considering a 400 later this year. The 900 looks like a poor value. But the fact is we in the US can buy a relatively low mileage 900 for a little more than the 400 new. So that’s probably the route I will take.
That would be my preference, too. The 900 is a huge step up from the 400 in all respects.
Street Twin 900 is like all the menu on the restaurant 🎉🎉 this is the 3th year every ride is another tastiness 😎 200kmh is enough for speeding on highways😉
The 900 would suit me fine... if the 1200 didn't exist. Just as, if Triumph brought out a 1400, I would have to have that. Stupid, but what are you going to do? :)
We went to look at 400 but went for 900 lower seat high and more power made the right choice as I carry a passenger
Good choice. The 400 is a bit limited two-up and the sound of the 900 alone is worth the extra. Enjoy :)
I rode all three yesterday on demo and commented elsewhere on the 1200 already, so here I'll say that the 400 was surprisingly fun. First gear is mostly useless but if you keep around town and start in 2nd gear (unless you're on a hill maybe), it's great. Especially for beginners or for those that just like small bikes. The 900 felt meh but I already have a Speedmaster so maybe familiar is more apt.
I found the Speed 400 much nicer to ride than the Scrambler 400X
Excellent review again Rocketman, and a pleasure to listen to. This is a topic I have been thinking about as well. I would get a Speed Twin because I love the looks, double clocks, everything about it really, but even secondhand its more than 10,000 euro where I live and thats over budget for a motorcycle to me. So, it would be a Street Twin, which you can get as of 7500/8000 EURO secondhand but.... I agree that it doesnt look as good, and I miss the double clocks. So I would go for a Bonneville. Though again, here you pay about 10000 for any secondhand watercooled refreshed Bonneville. Older models much cheaper of course. I am passing on the 400X partly because of your review, I am considering the Honda NX500 as well, which I hear you say is a much more comfy bike ( I just dont love the styling) and considering the Shotgun 650, which I hope you review soon. Ive seen that one in the flesh and it looks quite fancy in certain colors, with an analogue dash and a good seating position even for me at 189cm.
All 3 are nice bikes👍
I have all three Scramblers, a 2024 Triumph Scrambler 400X, a 2022 Scrambler 1200XE, and a 2020 Street Scrambler… the 400: extremely good value, you learn how to shift (you do it a lot), engine revs high, seat height is for riders who don’t mind the elevated motorcycle seat height, too new for not still having some teething pain, however I had almost no issues so far… the 900: engine is strong and has a lot of torque, seat height is low and approachable, has only 5 gears, is basically a street bike which can take the unpaved country road to your destination, but has been dead reliable… 1200: hooligan engine, has been dead reliable, electronic gauges had been troublesome on my 2019 XC but on my 2022 XE I had no issues but it ia not what I would miss if it would be more basic, great suspension, but shorter riders might wanna grab the X instead, off-road able but who wants to make such a pretty bike dirty, or crash it?!… i have ridden all three, though the 400 is my wife’s and the 1200 is mine… you ask what about the 900?!… it is the allround bike we are fighting over: a classic road bike, you can run to grandpa Jim-Bob in the country and it is super approachable and simple enough that I call it the “Swiss Army Knife”. Yes the 400 got extreme value and the 1200 is extremely exciting… but short of not having enough power to ride on the freeway and having enough to attract even the sleepiest Trooper with a radar gun, I’d choose the comfortable, responsible, and cruiser like torque (for a 900) machine, the 900SS even landed on the truck bed for vacation… test drive all three… beware: while the 400 and 900 can be operated by a new or returning rider, the 1200 is for the more experienced, the one who can open and close the throttle responsible, as to not find the Highway to h… good luck
Great feedback. Many thanks😊👍
Despite the manufacturers, media like yourself and sometimes our own egos telling us that bigger is better, I don’t think that I’ll ever believe it as I can’t decide which is more fun(the main reason why most of us do it) - tickling the throttle of a big, powerful bike and screaming like a girl or holding a wide open throttle for much longer on a smaller, more manageable machine and realising maybe 90% of it’s potential compared to perhaps 45% of it’s big brother…
And yes, I find it annoying when it’s said that 40bhp bikes are great for beginners and as second bikes, so having experienced everything from 125cc, 600 sports, mid-size tourers through to Harley Road Kings, I’ve got a Speed 400 on order as my only bike and I can’t wait!
Enjoy your ride whatever it is but give smaller capacity bikes the credit they deserve rather than being lesser.
Agreed. I tend to go for extremes - loved my 9hp Honda Vision scooter, but am equally drawn to OTT brutes like the ST 1200 or Rocket. All part of being human, I guess. Maybe AI will sort us all out in a few years?? :(
the torque"ness" of speed twin 900 is really cool and feels great. feels like you're riding an automatic motorcycle when you're in a certain rpm.
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Want to trade my Street Twin 900 to a Speed Twin 1200, but my Street Twin is dialed in with Koni shocks and front springs, and found just the right oil weight for the front with my springs and I have a Ninja 1000SX that can give me visceral, front wheel raised power pulls that give me excitement anytime needed.
Honestly, the 9 offers 90% of the 12 (and sounds better), but what price that extra 10%?😬
The 900 is a enough bike for anyone if they're being honest, at least insofar as a 'do it all' bike if one could only afford a single motorcycle; the 1200 is for someone who wants a retro that offers some (some) level of comparable performance to a 'proper' sport bike. The 400 is a well-built 'my first bike' that is also a brilliant commuter. I have a 2020 Speed Twin 1200 that I basically made into a superior Thruxton - I wanted a retro version of my supernaked sports bike for casual riding around the mountains and taking to classic bike meetups, and it fit the ticket in a way that my Speed Triple 1200 RS can't (namely in looks, hah!). Personally, I actually like the gaitered forks and true retro looks of the 900 and older 1200 models - I really dislike the USD forks (that aren't even that good nor are they adjustable) on the '22 and later Speed 1200s, but that's purely for aesthetic reasons. A retro that tries to look somewhat modern just strikes me as... out of synch, especially as a retro-setup twin is just never going to handle like a proper sport bike anyway. All in all, I find I agree with most of your take on the three! I've ridden the 400, my partner owns the 900 (which I have ridden plenty), and of course I own the 1200. Cheers.
Agree totally. Nobody NEEDS the 1200, or even the 900. I’d be quite happy with the 400… if I didn’t know the other 2 existed. Just as I’m perfectly satisfied with my 1200… but if Triumph bring out a turbocharged version…😬
@@RocketMan_Moto That would be the Rocket III, but I agree with what I perceive to be your impression - it's too bloody heavy and lacks for agility. I was able to test ride one once, and it was thrilling, but wholly impractical - almost as impractical as a hardcore race rep supersport.
The Rocket is the sort of bike I would like to have on display in my living room (if I had the money), but which I would probably never actually ride
I'm about to buy the 400. Just retired and want a lighter bike, cheaper to run (gas prices where I live are getting silly ) and I'm not a speed freak. I'm luckier than most in that I live in the twisties and get to ride them every day, the 400 is perfect for me, although the scrambler is a better fit, I've gone for the better cornering of the Speed.
Good choice, the Speed is nicer to ride than the Scrambler. Enjoy👍😊
The 900 is a real bargain on the used market. Lot's of low mileage ones at affordable prices.
Then you can use the rest of your money on accessories and upgrades 😀And it does everything so good, and feels like a bigger bike.
I agree that it’s a great bike. Thanks for your input 😊👍
As A2 compensable bike the 900 is a good introduction to large cc motorcycling. And after two years, it can be reprogrammed for full power.
True, although in reality most riders change their bike after the 2-year probationary period😊
You can see the wheels of my ktm 1290 super adventure S in the beginning of the video. I saw you there in the shop and I thought that it was you with camera in the chest mount, but I wasn't sure. It would have been nice to chat a little with you. I like your videos a lot.
I went there with a friend and I loved the shop and I tested the tiger 900 and 1200 and the two small 400.
Loved them all with their very different purposes.
But we'll chat a little next time.
Yes, I remember the 2 of you testing the Tigers👍😊
Yey again another well informed video & once again I agree with you on not just your own bike but in general the 1200 but how long have we both been saying about an upgrade or update how ever you want to call it but lets be honest when was the last time they updated the 1200 all they seem to do is bring out special editions or limited edition with just a paint job that's seriously not worth the extra money especially when they can't even match the tank colour with the mudguards front and rear & let alone so new tech or clocks & so here's another new year with no updates for the 1200 soo disappointing yet again from triumph!!🤔🤷🏼♂️ But enough about moaning & great video as usual fine sir!!👌🏻👍🏻😎
Thanks, Dave. Yes, their so-called special editions are just a different - often bad taste - paint job on the tank. Give us 40hp more, Triumph🤷♂️
@RocketMan_Moto Exactly just a Tank paint up & then call it or them special editions or limited editions bloody joke but what do we know!! 🤔 🤷🏼♂️ All i know is that I still won't buy one until they seriously update it how ever long that will be!!🤔🤷🏼♂️😬
@@RocketMan_Motothat final edition thruxton in green is the bomb though!
Not keen on 'British racing green', tbh, Steve. On bikes or cars...
@RocketMan_Moto Yeah totally agree with you about the colour green!!😬
I am flirting with the Speed 400 since I think it might be a good addition to my HD Street Glide and BMW F700 GS 😎
Greetings from Switzerland
Me too. I would love to own the Speed 400, but I don't know when I'd ride it and Mrs RM would go mad if I didn't use it ;)
@@RocketMan_Moto 🤣 what bike does Mrs RM ride actually?
That's also my concern... the Street Glide will always be No. 1, but in what case do e prefer the Speed 400 over the GS 🤔
She’s still learning to ride, so doesn’t have a bike. If I bought the 400 ‘for her’ and she didn’t pass her test, it would be a waste, because I don’t really go on rides where a 400 would be better than either my scooter or my Tiger🤔
@@RocketMan_Moto an other bike in the garage can never ever be a waste☝🏻
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But honestly, wouldn't the 400 be the perfect beginner bike? I'm pretty sure, she would like it so much and ride so often, she can hardly not pass the test 😎
And if nothing else helps, just drop me a line, I'll give a new home to this beauty for free 😎
It's our n°1 choice for Mrs RM at the moment
Had a StreetTwin (now SpeedTwin900) and it was ok for putting around and cruising but now got a SpeedTwin1200 and it a different experience. 1200 is more than just a bigger engine, but the 17" wheels and brakes are so much better. I hate that Triumph uses the Speed name for the 900 and 400. I know they trying to sell bikes but it cheapens the name plate. The Speed name means more performance, something the 900 and 400 are not.
Yes, the 1200 is a special machine. I wish Triumph would develop it a bit. 130hp, 130Nm…😊
Speed Twin 900 Review
I just got a Speed Twin 900 as my 1st motorcycles 🏍️. It is absolutely awesome, I am 45 years old, 5ft 7inches.
This motorcycle has
Great 👍🏽 Ergonomics to sit and drive
High Torque which makes it FUN to drive
Easy to handle
Superb Sound better than the 1200
Best Looking
I have driven the 1200 and the engine heat 🔥 hitting your legs 🦵 is a DEAL BREAKER, this is diff from T120 it’s not about 1200cc the Speed Twin 1200 engine is different and it produces way too much heat to hit your legs and destroy 😢 the experience
Thanks for reminding me that it sounds better than my 1200! Lol :)
900 all the way. I don't like the weight as I'm older and getting her out of the shed is a painful work out sometimes but she a brilliant bike. Does everything a proper bike should and I regularly get +/- 70 mpg over the 4k iv had her probably due to the torque power band. Your 1200 is a nice bike but my 900 resembles what I envisage as a "proper" triumph made for transport and fun rather than racing or risk taking. Yes i sound like an old git 😂 but iv seen them come and go and im still on 2 wheels 48yrs after passing my test. Ride safe and free brother 👍😎
Thanks for your input, Paul. I actually sold my 1200 shortly after this video and one of the reasons was the fact that the 900 sounded better, lol :)
I think I’ll stick with my 1200 I reckon you will as well Rocket 😊 nice to to see how each is though 😎👌☕️ riding my 1200 and smelling the coffee and getting older 75 in April 😂
If you know, you know, eh Fred😉
Scrambler comparison next, please.
I’d love to, but Triumph Algarve have only got the 400X in at the moment as a demonstrator. Maybe in a few weeks🙏
really interested in the 900/1200. New sub
Thanks :)