Speed 400 VS Hunter 350 | Can Triumph Beat Royal Enfield at Their Own Game?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Today we got the chance to put the Royal Enfield Hunter 350 or HNTR 350 head to head with the Triumph Speed 400. Triumph saw how well RE is doing in the small capacity sector and they wanted a slice of that pie!
But can the speed 400 beat RE at their own game, in this video we find out which is the best motorcycle. we talk about the handling, looks, performance, stopping power, price point and more…
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BTW, Royal Enfield was the best thing that ever happened to Triumph. Around here, Triumph can't keep these little 400 bikes in stock they sell so fast.
Same in Pennsylvania
I got mine in 2 months
O mesmo aqui no Brasil, aguardando a minha👍
I’m trying to but a scrambler 400 and there is only one red one in the entire state of Arizona, I’m trying to track down a green one but they are scarce!
@@josiahmeyer7430 2 new 400s are coming soon
Launch is confirmed during Indian festive season which will begin next month
One is thruxton 400 the other is not known possibly a Bonneville or tiger hopefully it's tiger
Rode both of these recently, and believe it or not , the triumph with that bit more power was encouraging me to ride in away ive been trying to get away from. Where the hunter was just perfect, out of those 2 i would go hunter , but i recently bought the Meteor 350 in Aurora Green, and over the years i have come to understand that the best bike is the bike that puts a smile on your face and makes you feel awsome , which doesn't involve anyone else's opinion 😎 good review guys as always 😎😎😎
They are both beautiful looking bikes. One thing which is never talked enough about is the location where you live, which makes a huge difference. Are you a Brit on the island? yep very small bike works great; one, too lane roads all good, or even alot of places mainland Europe/though i hear Spain opens up big and or autobon Germany. Are you in the states? not happening (depending where your at) where i currently live its 5/6 lane highway's and people "cruising" (cars) at speeds usually 75mph or 120km🤣. Yep a low power bike simply doesn't cut it, not only that its dangerous when people zoom past you at 20mph faster then you. Currently on a Trident 660 and its all good/ yes not a beast, but no slouch, yep "everything is big in the states" sigh, and unfortunately that's not always a good thing. Best of luck, -Cheers
You guys are probably the first to pit these two against each other and this absolutely makes more sense than anything else! Great review as always!
No i dont think. Speed 400 competes against KTM Duke 390, BMW G310r, Honda CB300r, MT 03, and all other 300-500 cc naked bikes
Speed 400 looks Retro but it is more of a Naked Sports bike
The Speed 400 was meant to be a RE 350-500 cc killer in India. The classic + meteor + hunter sell some 50k pieces a month. Triumph and Harley (the 440x) both are aiming squarely at this market. It is sort of working with Speed selling an avg of 5,000 units per month. Though I personally feel that the Speed has a much peppier engine meant for Indian cities (crowded af) while the longer stroke Hunter is for the highway
@@sudharshangarg8936 and in the international market as well...Triumph has only ventured into this category because all the manufacturers are seeing the numbers RE are doing even internationally in this segment!
@@sudharshangarg8936 i dont know why you said longer stroke engine of hunter for highway. I have seen hunter cannot run continously on Highways either. Whereas Speed 400 can do 800kms (maybe more) easily in a single a day. I have done close to 650kms in a single already that too in 9 hours
@@roadrunner2757it all depends on local pricing, the triumph pricing in india was an absolute shock, the hunter which is the cheapest of the RE's 350 range is only about (₹30k) 300£ cheaper than the triumph about the same as the best selling Classic 350, and definitely a more advanced bike over the RE's.
Duke 390/bmw 310's/ Mt03 are all a lot costlier here
This Speed 400 owner is frankly IN LOVE with his Triumph!
I live in Southern California, near Malibu, and have been derply enjoying riding the tightly curved Decker and Latigo Canyon roads, but also the long sweepers on Mulholland Highway. As mentioned in the video, the Speed 400 is ideally designed and calibrated for such riding. From my perspective, that of veteran rider, nearly 60, the Speed 400 is as close to riding perfection I have encountered.
As someone a bit older than you, I tend to agree. The handling is really amazing....very flickable yet very stable and secure in the turns. The ride is also very comfortable. The light weight, combined with the surprisingly perky engine, really makes it a blast to ride. It reminds me of my early riding years when I rode a Honda 305 Superhawk.
Yea S 400 is the perfect bike but for a second bike ...simplicity and city/daily riding re is better... Although i expected better mileage given its lower stats
Thanks for sharing ... Seriously contemplating the speed or scrambler ..🤔
@@Plough78 Get a Triumph!! RE is good for city riding but that's about it, only 20PS doesn't go too far! Triumph's 40PS makes it a better overall bike
I liked my Hunter and I rode it all around, it just lacked a bit of power, especially up hills. I traded up to a Speed 400. The seat on the Speed 400 is not as comfortable as the Hunter and I can’t get used to the buzziness in the bars, on longer rides my hand goes numb. Otherwise, the power the Hunter lacked is definitely apparent in the Speed 400. Also, I miss the center stand, especially when maintaining the chain. Lately on the Speed 400 (only 2800 miles) my check engine light is on and it always takes me turning the ignition key on / off to get it started. Talked to dealer / mechanic - they said it’s a known issue since 2023. Something to do with the chip in the ignition key not communicating with the immobilizer unit. To keep enjoy riding until Triumph creates an update to the firmware. Never had an issue with the little Hunter.
The engine has double the power, so the vibration will naturally be higher. However, I don't find it that intrusive when cruising up to 65 in 6th. Get some gel filled riding gloves. It cuts down on the numbness considerably. Haven't had any electronic issues at all with mine. Solid as a rock. Hope they get yours sorted out.
@@johnstone7697 thank you for sharing your experience and the info, much appreciated.
@@johnstone7697it doesn’t always follow that higher hp results in more vibration, it’s more down to engine design. Years ago I owned a BMW F650 single which had 50bhp and didn’t find it buzzy at all.
Yeah i have heard that and seen that with my friend's who had 400x scrambler and then a hunter.
When asked how are they he said "i think the hunter is slow but when it sees the prey , it hits it with deadeye precision, the 400 on the other hand literally runs with the prey and then takes it down."
I agree 💯 with what he says 😂.
@@saikrishnathiwakarrk interesting analogy … i tend to agree. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I purchased the hunter after selling my Suzuki M50 cruiser. I wanted something small, playful, and cheap. Its hard to beat the price on these for what you get. More importantly, it is simple to work on and my goal was to mess with it and make it faster.
It has all the right touches of modern, but feels like working on the 80's bikes I started on. I dont regret the decision. Its plenty fast for commuting on non highway roads, and it sounds fantastic. Fuel X smooths out the throttle, DNA gives it grunt, and once i get the cam and remove the cat, it will be a ruckus little bike.
Sure, in the end I may spend more than just having picked up the triumph, but the fun along the way, and experiencing the transformation is priceless.
Here in Brazil we have both, but the speed 400 is 50% more expensive than the hunter, so they don’t compete with each other.
Tenho uma Hunter, num futuro não tão próximo, vou ter a Hunter 450, aparentemente vai ter a mesma qualidade e ser no mesmo nível da triumph, fora que no Vale do Paraíba (SP) não tem concessionária Triumph
That is what I was thinking how the triumph is so more expensive here in Brazil. It should be around 26 grant here.
Same story in India ! (Both are made in India) Speed 400 is here considered as Premium motorcycle whereas RE was never considered as "Premium" in India.
Same thing in Colombia. Triumph is a premium brand here, the Speed is like 40% more expensive than the Hunter (actually, it's called HNTR here) and so are spare parts and services.
Tem a Osten em SJC. Concessionária Triumph@@breninblablabla3818
14:48 this whole sequence was quite funny, and quite informative.
love the fact you’re both just genuinely trying to figure out the difference in the seating position whilst doing this funny back and forth
Great video, if i was after a 2nd bike id go for the RE but if i could only have 1 bike then it would have to be the triumph.
This.
Yes, the Hunter speedometer is off-centered to make way for the tripper navigation which can be purchased as an optional extra.
RE all the way for me. They are just fun and relaxing rides. 👍
Trust me you will be Surprised the moment you test ride speed 400
Try the triumph
It is relaxed and got the power to go unrelaxed whenever needed
#metoo I've test ridden the Speed.. It was nice but prefer plodding along on my trusty gas ⛽ sipping , super comfy Meteor 350 🎉
*Plough* RE Fan Boy 😂
@@roadrunner2757 I would rather buy an RE Interceptor 650.. ❤
*Plough*
@@Plough78 all the Good Luck to you!!
Knowing the Reliability and Build Quality of RE's.
Both are lovely bikes, I agree the styling of the Royal Enfield is better ❤
I have the Speed 400, and I agree! The Hunter definitely looks more elegant and a proper retro with the traditional forks, halogen lamp and that beautiful tail end design!
I picked the speed because I wanted a classic looking roadster, but with decent performance and modern components. Just wish they had gone with a simpler (and more effective) headlamp, black front fork cylinders and a more retro tail end design like the Hunter.
I feel the opposite. I like the speed 400 styling better personally.
Have a RE Classic 350. Did the cam, decat, DNA air cleaner, 16 tooth sprocket and Fuel X lite. Improved performance dramatically and still has the classic looks. If I want to go fast, I'll ride my Triumph T120. So I'd pass on the Triumph 400...
Id go with the triumph of these two. That said i give RE the most respect as they woke many manufacturers including Triumph up to the fact that sub 600cc can sell like hot cakes
Triumph for me. With any luck I will be able to look at both the Speed and Scrambler today.
Regarding the offset Speedo on the Hunter, if you don’t want a Tripper nav pod, Hitchcocks sell a rev counter that fits in its place.
Both are excellent and refreshing to see new models of smaller capacity bikes. Waiting to see if Honda take the bait and a reincarnated CB400 four comes available.
The 400 four would be targeted at a much higher performance and sportier segment than these two though. I occasionally used to ride a 1975 cb400f. Pretty fun bike.
Im gonna be "that guy" in the comment section who says..
"Nothing beats the classic 350". 😁😁
...except the Bullet 350...meh... 😛
I'm gona be that guy that tells you "only if chrome is really your thing or the ergonomics of the Hunter are not your thing and you are more like a rocking chair type of guy"
I do like the classic and bullet. Nice vintage styling.
@@Staromil 😂. My rocking chair rocks 😎
Funny reading these post .
I ride a intercepter 650
And I ride it daily on gravel and dirt roads . 6 mile each day .
I have many bikes . Seriously a barn full .
I'm thinking of the 350 because it is just cool . And I want one The triumph is over priced here in the center of the USA . 6500.00
Fact is I may fly to LA if I buy the 350 . And ride it back to Kansas City .
Great comparison guys! Both of these bikes were on my list. I chose the Speed 400, in my area I need the extra power. Plus I actually love the looks. Funny that both of those colors were my choice. 🤙🤙
Big fan of RE but its really hard to recommend RE after riding the speed 400 personally. What a great bike it is and they are selling really well here in India. Im thinking of getting one for myself now after i had a test ride a month back.
Very interesting. As always. Tough decision. I own a classic 350 and I love it. I like the Triumph but tbh, if I was going to buy a second bike, I'd want something larger. I'm hanging on for the Classic 650. Love the show. Keep it up. Oh! And the old man's spiffy boots were great! Got my wife's attention anyway. 😂
Like to see the RE Scram 411 alongside the Triumph Scrambler 400x.. thats what I'd be looking at if i wanted this engine sized bike, i think thats more of a interesting comparison
You both make watching YT videos fun! Thanks for the side by side. New rider here and I bought a classic 350 because of you. Considered bothe the Hunter and the Meteor, but went for the looks and comfort of the Classic! I love love love it!. Wanted a little more speed and picked up the SM 650.
Cost effective and so fun to have both bikes for different types of rides Thanks! Keep these coming!
Many thanks, and great to hear 👍🏼
Nice garage that Andy . I got a Meteor 350 but want to add another ... Interceptor maybe ..
Can't go for the triumph as it is liquid cooled. I have the hunter 350 and I love it. If I wanted to go fast, I'd probably go for a 650-700 cc bike at least
I am not a biker (yet), but a second hand RE 350 can be had for quite a bit less than the Triumph, so I just might go that road and see how it goes.
Hello guys, well done for covering this, I'm sure this is one comparison fans of either bike won't want to miss. Really enjoyed hearing your thoughts and top job all-round as always!
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊
Great video!!!! Id pick the Speed 400 right now but the new RE Guerrilla 450 coming out in July will be more of an even match to the Triumph and it will have more authenticity as a actual RE than the Triumph Speed 400 being perceived as a badge engineering job
The Speed 400 is more of a modern roadster with modern componentry, but a classic design. The new RE roadster will be more traditional in that sense, but the power will be on par with the S400. I do hope RE playes with the sprocketing and gear ratios to make it better for the low rev city performance compared to the Himalayan 450. But that is something RE generally doesn't do, case in point being the different 650s with same gearing.
But it will be a more interesting comparision for sure!
@@the_winged_helm What will the RE weigh? As much as I like their bikes, I find them rather heavy and a bit slow to respond on the handling side. One of Triumph's big advantages with the Speed 400 is its light weight.
@@johnstone7697 for most of the RE bikes, you'd be right. But there isn't much difference in weight between the S400 and the Hunter.
However, I understand that the rear suspension on the Hunter is not setup well. The Triumph definitely has the more sophisticated setup.
Just been out around the Algarve hills with my friend who has a Hunter. He loves it, and rides it so skillfully around the bends it's hard to keep up with him. He also has a Ninja H2 and other sports bikes like the Suzuki GSX so the fact he likes the Hunter speaks volumes. Either that, or he uses it so I can (just about) keep up with him 😂. PS he's put a 19 inch front wheel on the Hunter, instead of the 17 inch that comes as standard, as he says it rides better, and looks better.
Older rider here and now that they put radiators on bikes I’ll never get an air cooled bike again. Summer heat is enough without the engine heat radiating up on me. Both look great. Great review.
I say that is an issue but the fans usually kicks in fast. Cause these bikes are designed and manufactured in India for Indian climate and roads. So the heat in India is excruciatingly hot, so the manufacturers knows these problems and try to work it out. Europe heat should not be that big of an issue. However if you are in Middle east or a place where its as hot as India or more then water cooled is the way to go.
Es al contrario , las de refrigeración líquida con la euro 5 se enciende el ventilador enseguida y tira todo el calor al cuerpo .
Thanks in part to your reviews I traded my Hunter for a 2020 V7 Stone. Extremely happy with my choice! I had the Tripper on the Hunter just to balance the looks. Didn’t like the function of the Tripper. The Moto Guzzi also has the speedo offset. A minor annoyance. The Quadlock with vibration damper is HUGE compared to the Peak Design phone mount, and they all come with vibration damping. Why do you care what you look like on it? The best way I can improve my looks is a full face helmet!😂 To me it’s all about the feelings.
As an owner of a Royal Enfield 350, I can tell you that these engines really need a lot of break in time. They’re a completely different bike after about 2,500 miles from new. I love mine immensely now. It’ll never be fast but I enjoy it more than any others I own that are all much more powerful. Great video guys!
I've owned the Honda CB 750...a Goldwing 1200...and currently own a Goldwing 1800...but, I am now 70. I don't want a big bike, a fast bike, an expensive bike, or something I cannot work on myself. I've ridden all over the Southeast United States, I've gone too fast at times and ridden in the North Georgia mountains in the twisties. Now, I just want a bike I can putt around on, and enjoy the view. The RE fits the bill very well. I like the Signal model. Great video test.
@@wingrider1004 many thanks 😊
Beautiful motocycles, they are. I love the Hunter 350
Looks like a bonneville? It's definitely a compliment in my opinion. I agree that the dial design goes to Royal Enfield and both dials should be centered. By the looks of the front forks and muffler Triumph wins those two categories. I like the front turn signals on the Enfield, but I like the look of the Triumph larger headlight better. If I had to choose a test ride of both would definitely be required....and fun😁
I fell for the Hunter's looks and that hasn't changed with the emergence of the triumph single. Whilst 40hp is enticing, for me the deal breaker is the Hunter's long stroke engine with it's low down torque and ability to plod along happily and comfortably at the lowest of speeds, ideal for exploring the smallest of lanes whilst enjoying one's surroundings. Having fallen in love with the Hunter, I don't mind spending some money on any mods that make the bike happier than Euro regs would otherwise allow: DNA wide open air filter with a decat pipe and stumpy 225mm end can from Delkevic have improved manners, performance, and sound tremendously without losing any of that low end grunt which has remained as smooth and accessible as ever. With the engine so much freer, it can even hustle a little.
I took a gamble with the non regulation exhaust can but I can now say I'm more than delighted with it. The short 225mm option was the only one that would fit without touching the side luggage racks. I was concerned it would be uncomfortably loud. However, with baffle in, it is loud but not too loud. It's certainly not offensive with normal relaxed riding. Best of all, the can simply amplifies the character of the long stroke single with nothing hooligan about it. (However, the stainless steel exhaust with a near vertical down pipe does change the bike's blacked out and rakish aesthetic somewhat, but nonetheless adds character in a more old world way).
19:29 Have to totally agree with you Alex! I have pretty much done the same to.my Hunter I have also added the fuel x pro plus and it goes like stink without taking away the character of the standard set up ! I'm glad you highlighted the concern of the Delkevic downpipe it seems they have followed the form of the Himalayan/ scram 411 which looks out of sorts with the downtube frame angle,,I have highlighted my concerns the Delkevic if more customers who bought this do the same maybe they might reconsider the design .
These TR series engines are crafted in such a way, that speed 400 have good amount of torque in low RPM's i glide through traffic sometimes 3rd gear on, No throttle no Clutch it glides through traffic easily at a speed of 20-25kmph
Man try the triumph
It has such good torque low down that you don't feel that it is a short stroke engine
Triumph 400 is the best thing in motorcycling world
Quality, fit n finish, simple, good performance and the price
The fairly steep steering angle is an important characteristic that also attracted me to the Hunter. I was curious what that would feel like, as it was my intention to learn slow speed riding skills (I'm 68 now and slow speed skills were not part of the driving test back in the day). Since I've had the Hunter I've already learnt how to do figure of 8's comfortably within the width of 20' / 6mtrs and also to do continuous circles in that space (a much more demanding a task on my V-Strom). The hunter's geometry is both confidence inspiring and incredibly forgiving in tight spots. I expected to have the odd tumble whilst practising, but so far that hasn't happened yet. As to stability, the lighter the grip and the less input on the bars, the better (watch Moto Control's RUclips channel for How-To and research based advice on bike handling). As to 'no hands' riding in a straight line, the Hunter feels more stable and reassuring than my '08 650 V-Strom, which too is an incredibly planted bike.
PS, I feel no compunction to test the Triumph 400, as I have the V-Strom for when power, speed, distance, or carrying capacity are of concern.
If it were my only bike, I'd go for the Triumph, it can handle highway speeds more comfortably and is generally more spirited to ride. If I were buying a second "around town" bike, then I'd pick the RE, as the power difference doesn't matter much at low speeds, and the RE has a lot of charm.
Love the minimalistic designs from Royal Enfield and these long stroke engines give good thumps
Great comparison VDO, lads 👍
So this was a very interesting review to watch! About 5 months ago when I was taking my lessons these were the exact two bikes I was looking at and thinking about which one I should get. I absolutely agree with your review and summary of them. I was quite torn as to which one to get, the Hunter seems like great value for money but the Speed 400 feels like a bike you’d keep longer with it’s extra power for when you’d want to us it etc.. I think ultimately for me one of my main concerns was would I be bored in 6 months time as I like a mix of riding and would want to keep a bike for a few years. But then after looking through some of your other bike reviews I came across the ol’ man’s review of the Triumph Street Twin 900! Have to say I’d very much recommend watching that review, it sold it to me! I passed my test about 3 months ago and bought a second hand 2019 Street Twin with just over 1k miles on the clock for £6k. I think it’s superb and is happy at both low speeds as well as high, very manoeuvrable. So just to add really that if someone was also considering a second hand bike for slightly more then I think that’s also worth a look too.
The triumph is more what younger riders will go mad for I think. It's kind of what the Japanese were doing in the 80s, a fast nimble mid size bike. They're both great for what they are but I think the Triumph has it here. Great comparison.
I haven't tried the Triumph yet but had a Hntr out for a test tide. I see you're Enfield had a loose rear view mirror, so did mine! 😄.... The lack of performance would put me off the Enfield also it felt small to me and too twitchy somehow. Great value though both of these!
I've got a 600 and needed a second bike for commuting and short runs so I don't have to keep using the 6.. so I've gone for the hunter... I don't need performance, I've got my big bike for that, I wanted something far more chilled that was a completely different ride to my 600/4... the triumph would have just been a slower, slightly retro version of my bigger bike.... ish...
Hunter RE I bought after finding out that the finish on it was of a higher grade, living in the most populated country and commuting in never ending traffic, it still makes my mood change to - better. Had it for a year now, am very happy 🎉
@@vijays7579 great to hear 👍🏼
Guerilla 450 would be much of a competitor
I do love my Hunter. Upgraded suspension front and rear. DNA filter and cover. Mini crash guard and flyscreen. Mandatory Quadlock on the bars. Great little commuter. Some decent tires next. Thanks chaps.
RE is launching Guerilla 450 based on liquid cooled sherpa engine used in Himalayan in August ! That would definitely beat Triumph in looks and performance !
I own a Hunter and a neighbour own the Triumph. Enfield feels like a simple seat on an engine. Just the basics. The Triumph feels like a high maintenance machine which would complain if I don't meet her demands. It's really an expensive and high-maintenance motorcycle for Indian conditions. The Triumph is a lot quicker but throws me off every time becuase it lacks character. It feels like any Bajaj motor. Ultimately it goes down to preference and both are great machines and what a time to live!
Couldn’t resist the price tag of $3.5K and got the Speed back in September 2023 as my second bike.. Can’t be happier about it..
Speed is the better looking of the two to my eyes..
Couldn't choose between these.
I'd be equally happy with either as a second bike.
No shortage of choice thesedays.
Great review, really worked well with you both doing it, being able to have a conversation about the bikes between you helped the review. For these two I would pick the Triumph, I actually think as a town bike the RE 350’s don’t work as they do not have the power to get away from traffic so again the Triumph for me. However if this comparison was Triumph with the Classic, I would pick the Classic as for me the looks are what appeal to me and I would use it for country lane bimbling and the power wouldn’t matter.😊
Very happy with my RE Continental GT 650.
Lovely chat. I LOVE the Guzzi🖤
Thank you!!! I’m so in love with it too 😁
I thought the quadlock vib damper was just going to be marketing spin but was amazed at how well it works.
Yes it really is fantastic!
Meteor 350s are currently discounted to 2999+OTR, Hunters can't be far off. I agree with the Old Man that the Royal Enfield is the better deal, at 5k the Triumph is more than halfway towards a Honda 500, or Benelli or CFMoto 450 etc, all of which are substantially more of a bike.
Still yet to try the speed, rode the 400x last week on demo and loved it other than the clutch lever and handlebar angle killed my arthritic thumb, hopefully speed rectifies this , went off Enfields after sitting on them, just find them very heavy for what they are although i like the looks.
Great Vid again, I really like your content generally, but when you are reviewing together i feel you get a more nuanced review! Great Job!
I love my Royal Enfield ! Great for a beginner I feel super comfortable
Loved this one guys. Good back and forth and great small capacity bikes. My cuppa tea for sure!
Pleased you enjoyed it 👍🏼
what stopping me buying is each other,i like both,
Good comparison 👍and please keep the vintage bike rides coming - really enjoyed that
I own a Speed 400 from past 10 months. Now both these bikes are way too much different. Speed 400 is a Hoonigan, and have Heart like Sports Naked bike. Speed 400 carries lot of quality.
Hunter 350 is just a cost cutted classic 350 thats it.
Love the styling of Royal Enfield, easily beats the speed 400 but in terms of spec and value for money, I gotta have it to the triumph, don't get me wrong here, really love that hunter, but until I get to ride both, I don't have a final decision
I will stick to my interceptor and guzzi v7 stone se lol
I am looking forward to the day you guys get your hands on the new 2024 Husqvarna 401. It took my breath away, literally. Adjustable suspension, really good electronics, looks gorgeous, rowdy engine. Darcy, you seriously need to take it for a spin.
I love how peaceful your videos are. these days youtubers shout too much. especially the young ones.
Great to hear 👍🏼
As an Indian in my country The triumph speed 400 makes a lot of sense for the purpose of a city bike ... the air cooling of RE becomes a pain in the afternoon when during summers the temperature outdoor can be higher than 40 celsius ... the heat from the engine of RE in summers is really uncomfortable .. moreover the triumph is lighter and accelerates faster ... making way through the crowded roads will be easier with a light weight vehicle and the quick acceleration will help in staying ahead of the crowd ...
Living in the U.K. the Triumph is so capable. Even if you wanted to tour t could cope. have a bigger bike with panniers etc to go with my touring buddies but, moving on, and a choice of just one bike, the Speed 400 might be the one to stay in the garage. 80+ mpg, 200+ range and comfortable all day.
Uh, hard choice. I might wait for the RE Guerilla. It has new 450 engine from Himalayan. And it is a bit bigger, so fits more for my height (6,4) than both Hunter and Speed. Royal Enfield has so much to chose from.
I was about to purchase the Enfield 350 Hunter but then the Guerrilla 450 dropped, and now I'm going to wait until it gets here to Canada and order one. I think it will have the same performance as the Speed 400, with a little more bottom end umph. As a 280 pound 6' tall guy, this might be perfect for me.
@@jjstuartonwriting8150 I (Darcy); have just been on the Guerilla 450 launch in Barcelona and my video about it will come out next Saturday, so definitely check that one out 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Awesome, can't wait!
Agree that the RE's better looking but for me the Triumph's spec makes it worth the additional money. Unlike you two I'm a short-@rse. I've sat on both Triumph 400s at my local dealer and for the short of stature the Speed is probably the better choice if getting both feet firmly on the ground is a priority. The Scrambler was still doable (it's a light bike) albeit I was on tip toes or off to one side.
Yes, for an extra $1,000 between the triumph and the Enfield. I would probably go with the classic 350 as well. I just personally don't like the look of that particular triumph. It's a little bit too sporty looking for me and I prefer the classic look to the other one
I just bought the speed 400 it's fantastic
Awesome to hear 👍🏼
People are making a lot about the difference in service intervals for these two bikes, but for a lot of U.K. owners who tend to be older riders who mostly ride in warmer, drier months it’s irrelevant as both bikes will need to be serviced annually and the bikes will be serviced long before milage requirements say. I used to own a HONDA CRF250L which had 8000 mile or 12 month service intervals, guess which always came first?
I'm 6'1" plus boots, and curious as to the fit of the 400. Now that I'm 75 and have sold my last big bike (Yam 1200 Tenere) I still can't get used to walking into an empty garage. I don't tour anymore, but would still like a Sunday bike.
@@BigYouDog did you watch all of the video? We are a similar height and talk about this 👍🏼
I love them both, even I'm more of the Ol' Man stature. Still eyeballing the 1200x while riding a SuperTénéré!
I am biased, but one of the guys at work showed me the electrical wiring harness of the Hunter 350. It was an absolute dog's dinner of a job. They're nice on the outside, but RE's often show where they've cut some corners underneath.
I agree that if you are taller, grab the scrambler. And because there is a Classic 350, it would be hard to buy either of these bikes for me. I do appreciate the options, though.
The engine and brakes of the Speed 400 in the Hunter ? Would that be your choice and would ik be a good bike ? I bought a blue 400, red takes to long to deliver, black at least one month, blue in stock.
I think RE’s resurgence has made Triumph up their game, and that is evident in the Triumph 400s. I hope RE will respond by upping their game even more with an updated 650.
They already did. The RE's Sherpa Engine 450cc is what they are planting in 2 3 products. Himalayan 450 is already on board. Up next RE Gueirella
Also I rode the classic 350 with the military paint and that bike felt much better to me. Idky but it felt special comapred to the hunter to me. It still was very sluggish but a verh unique and neat bike to ride.
For me its the Trumpy all day every day. The added performance, better handling and for me i prefer the looks. The rad doesnt bother me. The Trumpy looks more playful, more modern, but still has a nice throwback. I would enjoy the RE for just cruising around a beach road on a sunny day. Every other day, I want something you can grab by the scruff of the neck, and the bike asks for more.
The 450 platform is the direct combination for Triumph 400 series....(Yet to launch 450 hunter & scram)
Yes defo!
Great comparison, very interesting conclusions! However, I'm not sure how many people are looking into these as a second bike? For a second (or third) bike, especially for someone who prefers more classic looks, the Royal Enfield would be more interesting I guess as it could potentially create more contrast with his / her existing bikes.
is it worth upgrade classic 350 to speed 400 for little bit more power?
I wish i had one, but dont think it would deal with the speeds autos drive at, Riding i like the power to get away from sketchy drivers. Million mile auto hauler , lve learned how to read traffic
5:37 THIS! Finally I am not alone with my perception of modern jerky throttles. Many modern bikes with fuel injection are really snappy when going on/off throttle. I test rode the Triumph Speed 400 recently, and while I like the power and dimensions, the snappiness could make it a bit tiresome bike for slow speed traffic and town riding, whereas my Hunter 350 is really relaxed and casual to ride even one hand only on throttle at times -- without the need for clutch feathering all the time. If only someone could create and engine/throttle combination, where at WOT you get a lot of kick, but at low rpm and low throttle it would behave like the Hunter 350. Other than that, I prefer the Hunter 350 looks. I just installed angled bar risers to bring the handlebar closer, and it made all the difference for low speed U-turns and more upright posture for cruising. I think the better leg room and overall handlebar ergonomy of the Speed 400 was otherwise a bit more spot-on out of the box.
It has more to do with how the engine is built, more specifically low rev torque.
in low speed on 2nd 3rd or 4th gear, the hunter will thump away. That's why it is smooth and pleasant, the power curve is very linear.
The Triumph aims to squeeze for more power from that little engine, and that can only be done at higher revs. So it sacrifices low rev torque and smoothness.
It's just which you prefer, can't have both really from a petrol engine unless you go for like a crazy big 1.6 litre V6 Goldwing or something. Tech limits.
I know I prefer my Hunter by a long stretch by the way 😉
RE has grew so many toxic fans in India who'll defend anything for RE irrespective of logic and stuff. They are so blinded by their love for the brand, as a motorhead I feel sad, RE's holding such a heritage, an their blind fans are making it less lovely to own another. Trust me I loved the bullet 350 so much but I'll now not take an RE because of the stereotypical RE cult like fanbase.
When you are out there on the road, riding and enjoying your own bike - does it really matter what people on the internet are saying about it? Half the clowns who are fanbois one way or another haven’t even touched the bike in question, let alone ridden one. Do your own thing 👍
Just like Triumph fans…? Or worse, HD fans…! 😉🤣🤣
Please Compare Triumph 400 with Royal Enfield GT 650, That's a fair comparison according to cost & power.
Looks are purely subjective, note the varied comments here.
Performance is objective...as is price. It somewhat appears you get what you pay for.
Both bikes are comparitively new. I would like to see a comparison in two and then five years to see how both bikes have weathered and endured our British riding conditions. Will they both be as reliable as each other?
That was the thing about the Honda ( and other Japanese bikes ) victory. They usually were reliable and generally stood the test of time.
The Hinckley Triumphs were over engineered and thus purposefully gained a similar reputation to that of Honda. It was attractive to purchasers. I also remember a period of time when RE's of a certain period suffered a reputation of being made of "monkey metal" no longer true perhaps. Will these motorcycles from India ( albeit designed in the UK ) be found to possess the hallmarks of reliability and longevity ?
First impressions are one thing but a "marriage" with a bike for some of us demands deeper consideration. I hope you may revisit these two in a couple of years time...
I could get off the RE and run faster😊. You definitely need to factor in the service costs and service intervals.
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17:00 Wow! Jawa 634 I like it!
they actually have they just released the guerrilla 450 and it's a bloody good bike it's about 3070£ for top model with tft screen here in India with taxes and base model is about 2800£ it's a bloody good deal
@@pranavhb1716 yes we’ve just got back from the launch in Barcelona! Video coming soon!
Question: Tank width comparison? My bad hip doesn't work on the Speed 400. Sitting 'feet on ground' I thought, "This is the bike for me!" Feet on pegs- not a chance. With knees up, how far out they angle is critical for me... :-/
If Honda came back with an updated 400/4 that would be a game changer.
Great comparison between the two bikes I must say! Very difficult to choose between the two! On the looks front the Hunter is the winner I agree,on the performance front Triumph is the winner I agree again! If RE had just increased the Umph of its bike I don’t think there would be any doubt on who the winner is! I personally would buy the one that fits my budget as no doubt whatever one I had would serve me well! It certainly is a case of get the one that serves your purpose & intentions! Oh one other thing I personally think the Hunter sounds way better!
RE Guerilla 450 incoming! Perhaps that bike would be a more apt counterpart to the Speed/Scrambler 400 performance-wise than Hunter 350.
Lovely comparison, maybe the Scram 411 vs. the Scrambler 400x next? 🤔
Once again, if you can afford the triumph go with that. The service intervals alone tell you the quality difference. 16,000kms vs 5000kms, it’s not even close! I have a T100 2021 and an Interceptor 650. 9,500kms in and the interceptor 650 has blown its gearbox (spacer between gears broke, went around the gearbox and damaged everything). 8 months wait for parts to come and repair to be done. Totally have lost faith in the brand. Also I have ridden the hunter. It is fun as all motorcycles are but completely runs out of legs on the motorway (above 100kph/60mph) which can feel a bit dangerous. I disagree that the Triumph is less suited for city riding. It’s completely suited and at 179kg vs 181kg, the triumph is lighter!
I went through a process comparing the two and ended up with the Speed just for its performance 40-70 in 4th 5th & 6th its pretty relentless when accelerating in the range where it matters.
Its not perfect i think the overall gearing is a bit low for UK owners and the servicing intervals knock the Enfield for 6 .
Wouldnt mind the mpg of the Enfield my Speed is giving 76mpg on b roads mostly its improving gradually.
Servicing costs wont know for a while but st least theres a dealer locally so that helps.
I'd like R.E. to bring back the 500. I like under-square air-cooled singles but speed limits where I live are 70-85 mph for highways. Another 5 mph would make a difference.