One thing Singer was right about for sure.. “Superman has a Blue Suit, a red cape, & an S on his chest. These are undeniable facts. If you’re gonna make Superman, make Superman.”
@@dynaguy3 fair enough. Although that’s not always a mainstay on some occasions. It’s usually the 3 I mentioned that makes Superman the most recognizable.
Fun fact: The last line of Superman IV is “See you in twenty”. That scene was filmed in 1986. Coincidentally, the next Superman movie, Superman Returns, was released twenty years later.
I’ve talked to Brandon Routh about this at Cons. He said he was eager to do more and was confident they were going to do a sequel. He was at least happy to return in the Arrowverse as more experienced actor.
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Brandon Routh deserves a show on HBO Max or Netflix in the style of the reeve movies. Akin to the phenomenal Daredevil Netflix show. 10 episodes tops, with many of Superman’s rogues for each episode.
He was my first intro to Superman. I immediately liked the character and when I saw the Christopher Reeves Superman I thought he was Christopher Reeves son
Brandon was robbed of what could have been a absolutely amazing Superman Trilogy. The man is so genuine, his love of the character is so evident! I've gotten the privilege to meet him and person and when hes not in character he just genuinely exudes the energy of Clark/Superman. He had the perfect Superman look, i just wish they took the film in a different direction. Not to mention Kevin was a great Luthor aswell!
If i had a nickel for every superman actor that only played him in one movie, and got screwed over by the Studio... I would have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot. But its strange that it happened twice
Brandon really had the look, that balance is hard and most actors are either perfect for Clark or Kal but never both. Even though I think that Henry was the best Superman ever the script doesn't show him interacting more as Kent because it wouldn't work well.
The problem with Superman is he doesn't have a great Rogue's Gallery which is why we see the same villains recycled. Singer's mistake was not rebooting it and making the movie literally dark/bland. The plot for Superman 2 should've been the plot for Superman Returns minus him having a son. Kate Bosworth was horribly miscast as Lois Lane.
@heybrowhatup you could still make it work. I wish they stopped having Lex Luthor do all these plots to get land, and just have him work in the background developing weapons. Then in secret have create some of the fun villains like Metallo and Parasite. Maybe even the clone Bizarro.
Singer directing Superman : “Superman has a Blue Suit, a red cape, & an S on his chest. These are undeniable facts. If you’re gonna make Superman, make Superman.” Singer directing X Men : "What would you prefer? Yellow Spandex?"
@@JDoe-gf5oz It's called a trend and it started a couple years before Matrix. You were a kid in 2000, right? Go watch "Dark City" and "Blade" both from 1998 and you'll see there was nothing weird about it, but aesthetic. Not even Dick Tracy looked good in Yellow.
I met Brandon. He worked at Lucky strikes bowling alley in LA before he was cast. A friend of mine worked there with him, I edited my friend’s really bad short and we had the screening there. Brandon came to the screening. 😀
Yeah I agree. It sounds much better than really any Superman movie we've got so far. But I'm a sucker for no win scenarios that actually make the hero have to sacrifice something to ensure everyone else's survival.
Aside from the Superman's Son angle, it sounds basically the same as Brainiac's introduction in Superman: TAS. So we can see that that story does in fact work.
I liked Superman Returns, but it does have problems from its pacing and some casting decisions like Kate Bosworth, so I would have been interested in seeing a sequel since Bryan Singer would make it more exciting and action packed
I also enjoyed Superman Returns in spite of its flaws. Also, I wonder what would have happened if Amy Adams were cast as Lois Lane instead of Kate Bosworth.
...so was Amy Adams as Lois; probably a worse miscast actually than Bosworth. Adams had no believability in the role in my opinion and zero chemistry with the Superman character on screen.
@@roberttreacy8271 Adams would have been better than Bosworth, but they had a perfect Lois right there (literally sitting there at 3:41), and they passed on her for Kate thanks to Kevin Spacey's insistence.
Just gonna put on my comic book nerd hat for a second. It's oddly fitting that the Superman that Christopher Reeve and Brandon Ralph portrayed would ultimately wear the Kingdom Come suit. Mainly because the KC Superman was considered a golden age relic from a different time of stronger faith overshadowed by the newer, edgier & darker themed antiheroes; until he was needed to essentially save the world and create a renaissance of sorts by accepting both approaches. This somewhat mirrors how superhero films started as a golden, wacky age (40s to 80s) went through a broodier, dark phase (90s to mid-10s) until fully embracing both approaches to make some enjoyable art for everyone in current times. Making that character the long-established one that was needed to help the TV Crisis event was cherry on to a comic book lover's nerdy cake.
2:36 - "A few years earlier at a movie theater, Singer noticed that there weren't a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were lining up to see 'The Devil Wears Prada'" Sorry, I think you need to double-check the source on that one. "The Devil Wears Prada" came out on June 30th, 2006, 2 days AFTER "Superman Returns" (June 28th, 2006).
@@Bulletsandblockbusters This threw me a bit as well, but Singer may have used the line in regards to his approach for THE SEQUEL discussed here. But also... Singer may be dumb, we have to consider all possibilities. 🙃 Great series by the way. ❤
In 2004 David S. Goyer was approached by WB to work on a new DC character after the executives were very impressed with his Batman Begins script. WB offered him Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and The Flash, Goyer choose Flash duo the fact that he was a fan of the character and feeling like he had a massive cinematic potencial. Goyer was even thinking about Ryan Reynolds in the role of Wally West, with Reynolds saying in interviews that if WB decided to greenlight the movie he would be playing the hero. Goyer's final draft of the script dated october of 2006 and I don't know why WB cancelled this version, the script is everything a good Flash movie should be (which we don't have until this day). It's really worthy make a video about it.
7767,some times you only get one crack at a film project and you have to come out swinging,Singer dropped the SUPES football at the 10 yard line and lost the champion game. Game over man,game over. LOL.
Here’s dreaming they get a better director than Singer who is a real comic book fan, specifically Superman. Having Routh’s Superman trilogy started with Returns, then it’s sequel with the villains Zod, Ursa and Non. Then the third and final one will be Doomsday and Superman’s ‘death’.
the Braniac idea sounded kind of nice and calling out Superman for having not helped Earth in the way he did seems like an interesting plot point. it's too bad it didn't work out. but at least we know now.
That’s pretty much exactly the 2008 “Superman Brainiac” comic (minus supergirl) by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank which is one of my favorite Superman comics, so if it was as heavily influenced by that story as it sounds there’s no doubt it would’ve been awesome. P.S. that comic was adapted into an animated movie called “Superman Unbound”
Singer was a perfect director for Superman because he understood the core of the character, he committed to making a Superman film. Honestly, I like Returns, it was a film from my childhood like the Rami Spider-Man films were. Yes, there are some things that could've been done better but they are overshadowed by some now iconic moments. It's a shame that we didn't get a sequel and I wish we see could've Brainiac in live action for the first time, Jude Law would've killed it in that role. Hopefully, James Gunn can succeed where Singer couldn't and adapt Brainiac in his universe.
I liked Superman Returns a lot, and I also liked Routh a lot in the role. I think the sequel sounded really awesome. I really wish we could have gotten it.
I thought Superman Returns was very-BORING-and-BLAND-not enough action for me. And the actress playing Lois Lane was miscast,badly,there was no chemistry between her and Brandon.
@@ii-mp1sp I agree with you 100%,this film shouldn't have been connected to the Donner movies at all,just a thing non-to it's self.I watched this film once at the cinema and haven't watched it again since. I don't even own a dvd to the movie.
@@marlonclark-ky6ub addition to that note, there's actually leaked photos of him wearing the classic suit circa 2009, and let me tell you he LOOKS like superman, and he was also considered for the FIRST superman returns movie and there's audition photos of him wearing a rubbery looking superman suit and it's pretty cool
No way was Pratt in contention in the 2000s. His biggest claims to fame were an episode of Strangers with Candy and Everwood. He then went directly to The OC, which started after SR was completed. It was only after Parks & Rec that he started to become known outside CW teen dramas. He was Gunn's biggest casting gamble in 2013 for Guardians (2014).
That sequel could have been great. Love the twist on Brainiac and the emotional stakes of Superman having to fight his own son. I think the sequel was meant to have a sad ending to make the hopefulness of the third and final movie feel earned.
Daaaaamn...I might be wrong, but that sounds freaking awesome. I wonder when we'll get to a point where we can just render out sprites of characters from the correct age after the fact and produce some of these films. Nick Cage's Superman, this one etc. Even animated would be sick.
I honestly really like the aspect of Superman not being this very aggressive fighting hero. In this film, although it has its issues, it shows that we can have a great Superman without him even throwing a punch. Maybe that’s js a hot take but I really enjoyed the idea of having a hero who wants to protect rather than fight. Bc this is the first time since some of the Christopher reeves films that we had really gotten to see that.
I don't think WB are capable of making a Superman movie without their executives getting heavily involved, changing things, and having conflicts with the director. It seems to happen every single time.
I loved the score from Superman Returns. Using both the original movie's theme(s) and the new music was such a great merging imo. Plus, even just hearing Lois Lane's music from the first movie, I got chills just thinking about the music.
It's a shame that Routh never got to fully play Superman after Returns performed below expectations at the box-office. Whatever your thoughts on the movie itself, there's no denying that he was perfect for the role.
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I personally like Routh more as Superman as compared to Cavill mainly because his portrayal of the character radiated lot of optimism and hopefullness - he relatively resembled the most to what I think Superman is and stands for.
I don't think being set in the Donner Universe was the problem with Superman Returns, back in the mid 2000s I thought that was a great idea, but the issue was that the movie didn't know what it wanted to be or what to do with the Superman/Clark Kent character. A romance movie or an small scale action flick about Lex Luthor? Also, they miscast Lois Lane with a then 22 year old Kate Bosworth. I hated that people used Superman Returns as an excuse to shit on the Donner/Chris Reeve movies. Those old movies were great, they were the granddaddy of all modern superhero movies....and if they had failed we would have never had the 1989 Batman, the 2000 X-Men, the Tobey/Raimi Spidey movies and certainly the MCU. Routh was a great pick to play the character, and he deserved better.
Singer had the right idea about Superman, and overall the idea to first reestablish the character then do the big spectacular Wrath of Khan thing isn't a bad one. He made one mistake though: he forgot that the original Star Trek: The Motion Picture wasn't a great movie 😅 Still, i wish this second movie was made, it sounds like a much better one than the first.
It's easy to understand. He saw the lines for The Devil Wears Prada in the morning. Wrote, directed and edited Superman Returns. And had it in theaters that evening.
The quote, from a 2011 article in The Hollywood Reporter, is correct. But Bryan Singer was either using TDWP as an analogy for comparison... or he was high on coke during the interview.
Here's a good suggestion: *"Roland Emmerich's GODZILLA 2"* with a script treatment by Tab Murphy that centers on the last surviving baby Godzilla who imprints on a guilt-ridden Nick Tatapoulos as his mother, until he is forced to scare him away before the military can find & destroy it. Later in the story, the baby has grew to adult size with his own children known as "Teen-Zillas" and the littlest one known as "The Runt" living in Australia. Meanwhile, the sequel would have a new monster villain: a kaiju-sized termite-like creature known literally as the "Queen Bitch", who lives in Monster Island (inspired by a location famously used in Toho's Showa Godzilla films) and has her army of flying and ground soldiers kidnapping many numbers of humans.
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Still my favorite post-CR Superman movie. I believed in Singer’s plan and vision of reintroducing Supes to the 2k era. Of course, no one can defeat the WB corporate commanders.
Every canceled Superman sequel was going to feature Brainiac as the villain. Superman 5, Superman Returns 2, Man of Steel 2, and even the canceled Burton “Superman Lives”. Brainiac is always the bridesmaid and never the bride. Really hoping we see Brainiac as well as Parasite, Metallo, and Mxy in the new DCU.
@@brainlock72 i remember him. But I don't remember him being the "green comic" style. Smallville is on my list to rewatch. So i will look forward to the brainiac.
The plot for the sequel sounded awesome, mixing Brainiac's origin from The Animated Series with some Elliot S! Maggin's "Must There Be A Superman?" themes
Hulk 2003, incredible Hulk, Superman returns, the wolverine, X men origins, Ghost Rider, Spiderman 3, both Amazing Spiderman movies I can't be the only one that LOVED these movies as a kid and as i grew up and got access to the Internet realised that alot of people hated them 🤔😭
@@kevinskywalker5539 Yeah good shout, I was just naming marvel/DC movies but yeah same for me, those 3 films (aswell as originals) are some of my favourite films ever. Especially revenge of the sith.
Routh's Superman acted more like an alien that's one thing that I really liked about him. He had bits of charisma at just the right moments but there was still that mysterious alien like allure about to him. While his Clark Kent was the full on human persona.
I’ll say one thing, Brandon Routh is THE BEST thing to come out of Superman Returns. I wish his Superman could be further explored in a separate universe. Perhaps in the same way that Andrew Garfield’s or Tobey McGuire’s Spider-Man could get a potential revisit in future Marvel movies.
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Man that plot actually sounds fantastic. Would have liked to see it. Returns was waaaay too lowkey, sounds like the were really going to unleash a Superman movie we’ve all been waiting to see. Absolute bummer
Wow, I would've really loved to have seen that sequel, that sounds so good. A good continuation of previously-established threads, at last a big screen appearance of Brainiac. I'm sad it never happened
Routh was the only actor besides Christopher Reeve to successfully play Clark Kent and Superman as distinctly different sides of the characters personality.
I think Brandon Routhe did a Amazing job as Superman,i didn't have a problem with the Superman Returns film,it would of been great if we actually got a sequel to that film.. I'm thankful he got to reprise his Supes role in Crisis on Infinite Earth's
He was talking about the production of SR after it came out. Probably years later if he's talking about why it failed. Devil Wears Prada probably just popped in his head as an example and he'd forgotten it came out in 2006.
I know for a fact, two of the writers from the Smallville podcast, Starkvilles House of El, made a pitch and a first draft for Bryan Singer and WB back around 2007 - 2009. It would involved Zod and Brainiac. Sadly it never happened.
I was well aware that Superman Returns was supposed to be Superman III Redux when I first saw it, but that knowledge wasn't half as common as they thought it would be. A lot of people had no idea where this movie was supposed to fit in the continuity... because the movie itself never tells the audience that. It never tells them that the events of Superman II supposedly happened leading to the events described in the opening text. In fact... Singer could've just put that info into that opening text too. "After Superman defeated Zod and his 2 flunkies, scientists found the remains of Krypton etc." Yeah, it's lazy and hackneyed, but so is the whole opening text thing itself. If you're gonna open with that anyway, ya might as well throw in that crucial info while you're at it. But there was nothing like that in the actual movie. And the vast majority of movie-goers didn't read Entertainment Weekly or TV Guide or anything like that. Most people were at a complete loss as to how Lois somehow got pregnant with Superman's baby without realizing it was even possible that she could have gotten pregnant with Superman's baby. Most people didn't do the required reading... because of course they didn't. It was idiotic of Singer to expect otherwise. People didn't even know there _was_ required reading.
Very true. I remember reading Empire magazine couple months before the movie was released and they said Superman Returns is meant to be set between Superman 1 & 2. So all this confusing info was terrible. Nobody had an idea exactly where it was or what had happened before. Another reason why the whole idea was just a bad decision in the first place. Poor casting, poor dialogue, muted colour grading. Just an overall depressing tone to the movie. How this was made, compared to the other more fun or action packed scripts blows my mind. Its all on Singer and his writers. They all came up with each part of it and for some reason WB accepted it. Sadly it meant we missed out on many Superman movies because of their obvious failure. As WB were too scared to fund a huge budget now.
Personally, I think Henry Cavill could be the DCU Jor-El since a lot of people said that David Corenswet and Henry Cavill look a lot alike and James is more of a fan of a physically younger Jor-El.
Imagine all the past Supermen playing certain Superman related characters in the DCU like Routh as Jor El,Hoechlin as Cyborg Superman,Cavill as The Eradicater etc it would be cool callbacks
It certainly was not a mistake to make a sequel to the Donner films. The only mistake made was by WB at not green lighting the sequel to Returns. Instead we got the worst Superman & Superman film in Cavill & MoS. Thank god James Gunn & David Corenswet are now on board. Hopefully we’ll get Superman back on track. At least Tyler Hoechlin has been doing it right but it’s a real shame Routh never got a sequel, he was a great Superman.
I always think it’s hilarious with these sequels that never happened “oh the sequel would have been so good, so many cool plot points and action sequences” how about putting it in the actual film then and worry about the sequel after. I can say I wrote an Oscar winning script, but it means nothing if I don’t produce the goods. This kind of thinking is what killed the snyderverse. Always had eyes on the future and not the present. I hope Gunn learns from these mistakes
Superman Returns had great moments, but wasn’t a great Superman movie. Instead of a sequel, I think people would’ve killed for a theatrical movie with Tom Welling as Superman after his incredible journey on Smallville. Reeve chose Welling as his successor and wanted him to be the next Superman for the movie before he passed.
The sequel to Superman Returns sounds very interesting, although they would’ve had to change the ending, Superman killing his own son would’ve never flied and would’ve been completely out of character.
When first released, I was meh about it.. but since then, this film grew on me with multiple viewings. I thought Routh played a wonderful Superman AND Clark Kent. I love the fact that they deliberately characterized the role to match that of Christopher Reeve and Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor was quite villainous.. the only thing I don't like is the length, the miscast of Kate Bosworth and some of the film's muddy cinematography. Other than that, I think its aged just fine and matter of fact, I still have the DVD and I'm about to go watch it again. Thanks!
These videos are great. In every one, we hear about a movie that sounds like it would have been amazing, and you say to yourself "Why didn't they do this?" And then, there's a sentence like "We find out that Bruce Wayne and Lois Lane had a child together," and then you're like, "Oh, THAT'S why they didn't do this."
Excellent video. I really enjoyed Superman Returns and felt that Routh and Spacey did an excellent job as Superman and Lex Luthor respectively. John Ottman also was fantastic in the soundtrack and working the William's themes. I would have loved to see Singer get another shot but we will see if the third time is the charm for Gunn's reboot.
I think Superman Returns had the vibe of the original Christopher Reeve Superman Franchise and it was wasn't a bad movie but it wasn't a massive blockbuster either WB should have gave Byain Singer a chance to finish his Superman Franchise. Not bring up Tim Burton But WB has a habit of this they did that to Batman Returns not that Batman Forever was that bad but as a fan of the Tim Burton Batman they should of let him finish his version of the Series before soft rebooting the franchise
One thing Singer was right about for sure.. “Superman has a Blue Suit, a red cape, & an S on his chest. These are undeniable facts. If you’re gonna make Superman, make Superman.”
@@Bigalow_Gaming missed the S on the cape though
It was more like a brown cape
@@dynaguy3good decision it’s kinda cheesy,why have 2 s’s?
@@aaronhughes4700 one for the front. One for the back. The point is so that you know it’s Superman no matter what side you see
@@dynaguy3 fair enough. Although that’s not always a mainstay on some occasions. It’s usually the 3 I mentioned that makes Superman the most recognizable.
Fun fact: The last line of Superman IV is “See you in twenty”. That scene was filmed in 1986. Coincidentally, the next Superman movie, Superman Returns, was released twenty years later.
Superman in that ERA could DO ANYTHING, maybe he could also see the future
I’ve talked to Brandon Routh about this at Cons. He said he was eager to do more and was confident they were going to do a sequel. He was at least happy to return in the Arrowverse as more experienced actor.
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@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp he clapped those cheeks
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I think he would have done really well with a sequel with a lot more action in it.
Why does it always seem like every attempt to bring Brainiac to the big screen ended with said film getting canceled?
So true
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It was amazing to see Brandon Routh reprising his role in the CW multiverse crossover, Crisis On Infinite Earths.
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Brandon Routh deserves a show on HBO Max or Netflix in the style of the reeve movies. Akin to the phenomenal Daredevil Netflix show. 10 episodes tops, with many of Superman’s rogues for each episode.
He was my first intro to Superman. I immediately liked the character and when I saw the Christopher Reeves Superman I thought he was Christopher Reeves son
@@hectorarredondo6929 they do look a lot a like yeah, Christopher and Brandon look so related
I still love that "You'll believe a man can fly" tagline. Its incredibly simple and fun but really gets your eyes.
Brandon was robbed of what could have been a absolutely amazing Superman Trilogy. The man is so genuine, his love of the character is so evident! I've gotten the privilege to meet him and person and when hes not in character he just genuinely exudes the energy of Clark/Superman. He had the perfect Superman look, i just wish they took the film in a different direction. Not to mention Kevin was a great Luthor aswell!
If i had a nickel for every superman actor that only played him in one movie, and got screwed over by the Studio... I would have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot. But its strange that it happened twice
Brandon really had the look, that balance is hard and most actors are either perfect for Clark or Kal but never both.
Even though I think that Henry was the best Superman ever the script doesn't show him interacting more as Kent because it wouldn't work well.
The problem with Superman is he doesn't have a great Rogue's Gallery which is why we see the same villains recycled. Singer's mistake was not rebooting it and making the movie literally dark/bland. The plot for Superman 2 should've been the plot for Superman Returns minus him having a son. Kate Bosworth was horribly miscast as Lois Lane.
They screwed him because it was also his fault for his bad behavior on set.
@heybrowhatup you could still make it work. I wish they stopped having Lex Luthor do all these plots to get land, and just have him work in the background developing weapons. Then in secret have create some of the fun villains like Metallo and Parasite. Maybe even the clone Bizarro.
Singer directing Superman : “Superman has a Blue Suit, a red cape, & an S on his chest. These are undeniable facts. If you’re gonna make Superman, make Superman.”
Singer directing X Men : "What would you prefer? Yellow Spandex?"
he definitely did not have leather cape and little tiny booties and an S on the belt.
He was right about Yellow Spandex. Wolverine in 2024 is wearing a Yellow suit with pieces of armour here and there. Big difference
@@AlainProust-zm2zq Nothing was stopping him from doing the same except a weird obsession everyone had of copying The Matrix.
@@JDoe-gf5oz It's called a trend and it started a couple years before Matrix. You were a kid in 2000, right? Go watch "Dark City" and "Blade" both from 1998 and you'll see there was nothing weird about it, but aesthetic. Not even Dick Tracy looked good in Yellow.
Singer also made superman into a stalking, emo, pathetic loser. I wouldn't break your hand patting him on the back
I met Brandon. He worked at Lucky strikes bowling alley in LA before he was cast. A friend of mine worked there with him, I edited my friend’s really bad short and we had the screening there. Brandon came to the screening. 😀
Which lucky strikes location there so many 🤔
@@bobbyjenkins7946 back then it was on Hollywood Blvd, in Hollywood.
That’s awesome
The plot to the Superman Returns sequel sounded pretty good.
I respect your opinion
But imo I think it would would have flopped because the plot sounds dumb to me
Yeah I agree. It sounds much better than really any Superman movie we've got so far. But I'm a sucker for no win scenarios that actually make the hero have to sacrifice something to ensure everyone else's survival.
It sounded cool/good until brainiac takes over superman’s son’s body and is forced to fight superman to the death. That part made it sound dumb tbh.
Aside from the Superman's Son angle, it sounds basically the same as Brainiac's introduction in Superman: TAS. So we can see that that story does in fact work.
@@Spidergod1128-fd9dc Totally agree. Half of the plot sounds lifted from "Quest for Peace".
Brandon was a great Superman 🦸♂️
Not really
He was very good of what was asked of him.
@@Jaythesparrowgo fuck yourself Brandon was a good Superman 2nd best next to Christopher reeve
@@JaythesparrowSuperman returns was the last good Superman movie in theaters and then man of steel ruined Superman’s character
@@TheKryptonianSaiyansure and batman n Robin was the last great batman movie🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I liked Superman Returns, but it does have problems from its pacing and some casting decisions like Kate Bosworth, so I would have been interested in seeing a sequel since Bryan Singer would make it more exciting and action packed
I also enjoyed Superman Returns in spite of its flaws. Also, I wonder what would have happened if Amy Adams were cast as Lois Lane instead of Kate Bosworth.
@@roberttreacy8271 I would have just had Kate Bosworth swap roles with Parker Posey. Posey would have made a great Lois.
I agree she was badly miscast.
...so was Amy Adams as Lois; probably a worse miscast actually than Bosworth. Adams had no believability in the role in my opinion and zero chemistry with the Superman character on screen.
@@roberttreacy8271 Adams would have been better than Bosworth, but they had a perfect Lois right there (literally sitting there at 3:41), and they passed on her for Kate thanks to Kevin Spacey's insistence.
Just gonna put on my comic book nerd hat for a second.
It's oddly fitting that the Superman that Christopher Reeve and Brandon Ralph portrayed would ultimately wear the Kingdom Come suit. Mainly because the KC Superman was considered a golden age relic from a different time of stronger faith overshadowed by the newer, edgier & darker themed antiheroes; until he was needed to essentially save the world and create a renaissance of sorts by accepting both approaches. This somewhat mirrors how superhero films started as a golden, wacky age (40s to 80s) went through a broodier, dark phase (90s to mid-10s) until fully embracing both approaches to make some enjoyable art for everyone in current times. Making that character the long-established one that was needed to help the TV Crisis event was cherry on to a comic book lover's nerdy cake.
Brandon Routh*
@@What.99 thank you there for the correction there champion🤝
@@kaybeeva You’re very welcome. Have a great day.
@@kaybeeva Ralph though 🤣
And now in the mid-20's, superhero flicks are enjoyable for no one!
2:36 - "A few years earlier at a movie theater, Singer noticed that there weren't a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were lining up to see 'The Devil Wears Prada'"
Sorry, I think you need to double-check the source on that one. "The Devil Wears Prada" came out on June 30th, 2006, 2 days AFTER "Superman Returns" (June 28th, 2006).
I was quoting singer so he must’ve got his chick flicks mixed up 🤷♂️
@@Bulletsandblockbusters This threw me a bit as well, but Singer may have used the line in regards to his approach for THE SEQUEL discussed here. But also... Singer may be dumb, we have to consider all possibilities. 🙃
Great series by the way. ❤
In 2004 David S. Goyer was approached by WB to work on a new DC character after the executives were very impressed with his Batman Begins script. WB offered him Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and The Flash, Goyer choose Flash duo the fact that he was a fan of the character and feeling like he had a massive cinematic potencial. Goyer was even thinking about Ryan Reynolds in the role of Wally West, with Reynolds saying in interviews that if WB decided to greenlight the movie he would be playing the hero. Goyer's final draft of the script dated october of 2006 and I don't know why WB cancelled this version, the script is everything a good Flash movie should be (which we don't have until this day).
It's really worthy make a video about it.
I really would’ve loved to see Routh’s Superman get a trilogy
I agree. I think Routh needed more time as Superman to be really appreciated.
7767,some times you only get one crack at a film project and you have to come out swinging,Singer dropped the SUPES football at the 10 yard line and lost the champion game. Game over man,game over. LOL.
Here’s dreaming they get a better director than Singer who is a real comic book fan, specifically Superman.
Having Routh’s Superman trilogy started with Returns, then it’s sequel with the villains Zod, Ursa and Non. Then the third and final one will be Doomsday and Superman’s ‘death’.
the Braniac idea sounded kind of nice and calling out Superman for having not helped Earth in the way he did seems like an interesting plot point.
it's too bad it didn't work out.
but at least we know now.
That’s pretty much exactly the 2008 “Superman Brainiac” comic (minus supergirl) by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank which is one of my favorite Superman comics, so if it was as heavily influenced by that story as it sounds there’s no doubt it would’ve been awesome. P.S. that comic was adapted into an animated movie called “Superman Unbound”
Damn that plot actually sounds pretty awesome.
It really does! Holy shit!
I remember Singer saying a sequel would be his wrath of kahn, faster paced.
Singer was a perfect director for Superman because he understood the core of the character, he committed to making a Superman film. Honestly, I like Returns, it was a film from my childhood like the Rami Spider-Man films were. Yes, there are some things that could've been done better but they are overshadowed by some now iconic moments. It's a shame that we didn't get a sequel and I wish we see could've Brainiac in live action for the first time, Jude Law would've killed it in that role. Hopefully, James Gunn can succeed where Singer couldn't and adapt Brainiac in his universe.
Love the Robert Meyer Burnett name drop and you guys giving him some love!
Rob is the man, I miss the days of him and Big Shnepp getting sweaty. 😢
I liked Superman Returns a lot, and I also liked Routh a lot in the role. I think the sequel sounded really awesome. I really wish we could have gotten it.
I thought Superman Returns was very-BORING-and-BLAND-not enough action for me. And the actress playing Lois Lane was miscast,badly,there was no chemistry between her and Brandon.
To be honest, I never liked Superman Returns.
This is some kind of boring and morally outdated film that looks somewhat frivolous now.
@@ii-mp1sp I agree with you 100%,this film shouldn't have been connected to the Donner movies at all,just a thing non-to it's self.I watched this film once at the cinema and haven't watched it again since. I don't even own a dvd to the movie.
@@kerry-j4mthen you’re opinion is worthless if you think that
@@kerry-j4mand by the way everything you said about Superman returns is exactly what the man of steel 2013 film is
Josh Hartnett, Sam Heughan, Chris Pratt And Will Smith Were All Considered For The Role Of Superman Before Brandon Routh Was Cast
Henry Cavil was also considered, but many years later he finally got to don the cape in the dceu
@@marlonclark-ky6ub addition to that note, there's actually leaked photos of him wearing the classic suit circa 2009, and let me tell you he LOOKS like superman, and he was also considered for the FIRST superman returns movie and there's audition photos of him wearing a rubbery looking superman suit and it's pretty cool
No way was Pratt in contention in the 2000s. His biggest claims to fame were an episode of Strangers with Candy and Everwood. He then went directly to The OC, which started after SR was completed. It was only after Parks & Rec that he started to become known outside CW teen dramas. He was Gunn's biggest casting gamble in 2013 for Guardians (2014).
Chris Pine was the Forerunner for the role
I remember hearing that there was supposed to be a sequel aimed for 2009 and was disappointed that it got cancelled.
Yes in 2009
Or 2010, I remember superman delayed release date for news, I said “okay, it better more time”
@@mdh16off59and George Miller’s Justice League Mortal was supposed to be released in summer of 2009 but the film was cancelled
Brandon Roth captured the spirit of Superman
That sequel could have been great. Love the twist on Brainiac and the emotional stakes of Superman having to fight his own son. I think the sequel was meant to have a sad ending to make the hopefulness of the third and final movie feel earned.
Daaaaamn...I might be wrong, but that sounds freaking awesome. I wonder when we'll get to a point where we can just render out sprites of characters from the correct age after the fact and produce some of these films. Nick Cage's Superman, this one etc. Even animated would be sick.
I honestly really like the aspect of Superman not being this very aggressive fighting hero. In this film, although it has its issues, it shows that we can have a great Superman without him even throwing a punch. Maybe that’s js a hot take but I really enjoyed the idea of having a hero who wants to protect rather than fight. Bc this is the first time since some of the Christopher reeves films that we had really gotten to see that.
I am convinced there will never be another Superman movie universally loved.
I think your right.
I don't think WB are capable of making a Superman movie without their executives getting heavily involved, changing things, and having conflicts with the director. It seems to happen every single time.
Cause people are too picky and pull every little detail apart. We can't just enjoy movies for what they are anymore
@@Power_Crystalsthis absolutely THIS !!!!
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Superman: Flyby, Matthew Vaughn's Days of Future Past and David Hayter's Black Widow film would make for some fun episodes.
Let's gooooooo Superman returns 2 great job on the vid can't wait for more
John Ottman's score is fantastic. The John Williams' theme should be the official theatrical Superman theme, just like James Bond's.
I loved the score from Superman Returns. Using both the original movie's theme(s) and the new music was such a great merging imo. Plus, even just hearing Lois Lane's music from the first movie, I got chills just thinking about the music.
It's a shame that Routh never got to fully play Superman after Returns performed below expectations at the box-office.
Whatever your thoughts on the movie itself, there's no denying that he was perfect for the role.
Film Director Brett Ratner Almost Directed Superman Returns And Wanted General Zod To Appear In The Movie With Jude Law In Mind For The Role
Why is every word capitalized? 😂
Why was Jude Law so popular when this came out??
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Dude, Jude law would've been amazing as Zod. But honestly, I would've liked a different villain
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp for sure he will make great zod
I personally like Routh more as Superman as compared to Cavill mainly because his portrayal of the character radiated lot of optimism and hopefullness - he relatively resembled the most to what I think Superman is and stands for.
I don't think being set in the Donner Universe was the problem with Superman Returns, back in the mid 2000s I thought that was a great idea, but the issue was that the movie didn't know what it wanted to be or what to do with the Superman/Clark Kent character. A romance movie or an small scale action flick about Lex Luthor? Also, they miscast Lois Lane with a then 22 year old Kate Bosworth. I hated that people used Superman Returns as an excuse to shit on the Donner/Chris Reeve movies. Those old movies were great, they were the granddaddy of all modern superhero movies....and if they had failed we would have never had the 1989 Batman, the 2000 X-Men, the Tobey/Raimi Spidey movies and certainly the MCU. Routh was a great pick to play the character, and he deserved better.
Plus Reeve's performance as Superman/Clark Kent is still one of if not the best portrayals of any comic book character.
This is my favorite channel right now. Amazing work man
Wow, thanks!
Singer had the right idea about Superman, and overall the idea to first reestablish the character then do the big spectacular Wrath of Khan thing isn't a bad one.
He made one mistake though: he forgot that the original Star Trek: The Motion Picture wasn't a great movie 😅
Still, i wish this second movie was made, it sounds like a much better one than the first.
Superman returns is a underrated masterpiece
The Devil Wears Prada came out the same day as Superman Returns, I don’t know how accurate that Bryan Singer quote is
It's easy to understand. He saw the lines for The Devil Wears Prada in the morning. Wrote, directed and edited Superman Returns. And had it in theaters that evening.
The quote, from a 2011 article in The Hollywood Reporter, is correct. But Bryan Singer was either using TDWP as an analogy for comparison... or he was high on coke during the interview.
@@romanseano I suspect the latter.
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Returns has one of the best Superman scene of all time with the crashing plane.
I unapologetically love Superman Returns more than Man of Steel and I don't care. I got caught up in the nostalgia, sue me
Grew up with Returns and had the pleasure of meeting Brandon Routh just last week. Would've loved to have seen him continue in this role
A lot of people want Cavill back but I’m still salty Routh got replaced lol
Cavil isn't Superman. He doesn't have the Look
Yes, he does.
@@kevinskywalker5539Man of steel was the dragonball evolution of Superman films tho
@@TheKryptonianSaiyan , YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!
@@kevinskywalker5539Superman returns was the last good Superman film in theaters
Having superman not fly is like having Spider-Man not shoot webs
I liked Superman Returns. Saw it in IMAX
Duuude!! The sequel would’ve been *EPIC!!* im so mad we missed it
Here's a good suggestion:
*"Roland Emmerich's GODZILLA 2"*
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Later in the story, the baby has grew to adult size with his own children known as "Teen-Zillas" and the littlest one known as "The Runt" living in Australia.
Meanwhile, the sequel would have a new monster villain: a kaiju-sized termite-like creature known literally
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Godzilla films) and has her army of flying and ground soldiers kidnapping many numbers of humans.
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Still my favorite post-CR Superman movie. I believed in Singer’s plan and vision of reintroducing Supes to the 2k era. Of course, no one can defeat the WB corporate commanders.
I’ve always wanted Ralph Fiennes to
be Brainiac. I just feel like that would be perfect casting
Devil Wears Prada was a 2006 release and came out after Superman Returns during the same summer
Every canceled Superman sequel was going to feature Brainiac as the villain. Superman 5, Superman Returns 2, Man of Steel 2, and even the canceled Burton “Superman Lives”. Brainiac is always the bridesmaid and never the bride. Really hoping we see Brainiac as well as Parasite, Metallo, and Mxy in the new DCU.
Tv series Krypton was awesome! And finally had Brainiac in live action. A must see !
@@andrewblack-r5y Smallville had Brainiac in the form of James Marsters. I want to say two seasons, plus a few guest spots after that?
@@brainlock72 i remember him. But I don't remember him being the "green comic" style. Smallville is on my list to rewatch. So i will look forward to the brainiac.
That tagline, "You'll believe a man can fly ✈," is wonderfully simple and fun, yet it grabs your attention instantly 👀💙💙💙
Superman Returns…Again.
The plot for the sequel sounded awesome, mixing Brainiac's origin from The Animated Series with some Elliot S! Maggin's "Must There Be A Superman?" themes
That sounds like it could’ve been a really interesting movie. I’m bummed we didn’t get another. Go around with that series.
Devil Wears Prada came out the same week as Superman Returns
Hulk 2003, incredible Hulk, Superman returns, the wolverine, X men origins, Ghost Rider, Spiderman 3, both Amazing Spiderman movies
I can't be the only one that LOVED these movies as a kid and as i grew up and got access to the Internet realised that alot of people hated them 🤔😭
Same. I also like the star wars prequels.
@@kevinskywalker5539 Yeah good shout,
I was just naming marvel/DC movies but yeah same for me, those 3 films (aswell as originals) are some of my favourite films ever. Especially revenge of the sith.
Dude, Superman Returns is incredible. It's so mythical, biblical, sentimental and powerful.
SuperMan Returns 2 should’ve happened.
💙
Routh's Superman acted more like an alien that's one thing that I really liked about him. He had bits of charisma at just the right moments but there was still that mysterious alien like allure about to him. While his Clark Kent was the full on human persona.
I’ll say one thing, Brandon Routh is THE BEST thing to come out of Superman Returns. I wish his Superman could be further explored in a separate universe. Perhaps in the same way that Andrew Garfield’s or Tobey McGuire’s Spider-Man could get a potential revisit in future Marvel movies.
Man this channel is so good, they never miss a thing
Thanks :)
@@Bulletsandblockbusters awh thank you!! Quickly becoming my favorite channel for real
Thrilled to hear that. Really appreciate the kind words.
@@beauregardheer except historical facts
I didn't know the film had to absorb the costs from the abandoned previous project.
That makes it even more like Star Trek TMP! 😉
Great point!
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Man that plot actually sounds fantastic. Would have liked to see it. Returns was waaaay too lowkey, sounds like the were really going to unleash a Superman movie we’ve all been waiting to see. Absolute bummer
Superman Returns was a great movie and should have had a sequel.
Wow, I would've really loved to have seen that sequel, that sounds so good. A good continuation of previously-established threads, at last a big screen appearance of Brainiac. I'm sad it never happened
As a fan of Superman and Superman II, Superman Returns was the perfect sequel to the trilogy.
Superman return is a excellent movie
7:39 "The fewer beings who have the knowledge, the more precious it becomes" (Brainiac. Superman: The Animated Series).
IIRC, that cartoon came up with the idea that Braniac came from Krypton.
@@KasumiKenshirou True. It's also how I was introduced to Brainiac, and remains my favorite version of the character.
Routh was the only actor besides Christopher Reeve to successfully play Clark Kent and Superman as distinctly different sides of the characters personality.
Love ❤️ super man return
I think Brandon Routhe did a Amazing job as Superman,i didn't have a problem with the Superman Returns film,it would of been great if we actually got a sequel to that film..
I'm thankful he got to reprise his Supes role in Crisis on Infinite Earth's
The Devil Wears Prada comment is apocryphal. That movie came out within weeks of Superman Returns and no way could have influenced its production.
Came here to make the same point. Devil Wears Prada literally came out the same day as Superman Returns in the United States. Not within weeks.
He was talking about the production of SR after it came out. Probably years later if he's talking about why it failed. Devil Wears Prada probably just popped in his head as an example and he'd forgotten it came out in 2006.
Routh was great in this film. He was never the problem.
I know for a fact, two of the writers from the Smallville podcast, Starkvilles House of El, made a pitch and a first draft for Bryan Singer and WB back around 2007 - 2009. It would involved Zod and Brainiac. Sadly it never happened.
Along side bezzaro the fake superman who my be the main villaine in 3rd movie
Where can I find more information about this first draft, i wanna know what would've been like?
@@sami5614 Derek Russell spoke about it on his podcast from around....gosh....either around 2008 or 2009
I was well aware that Superman Returns was supposed to be Superman III Redux when I first saw it, but that knowledge wasn't half as common as they thought it would be.
A lot of people had no idea where this movie was supposed to fit in the continuity... because the movie itself never tells the audience that. It never tells them that the events of Superman II supposedly happened leading to the events described in the opening text. In fact... Singer could've just put that info into that opening text too. "After Superman defeated Zod and his 2 flunkies, scientists found the remains of Krypton etc." Yeah, it's lazy and hackneyed, but so is the whole opening text thing itself. If you're gonna open with that anyway, ya might as well throw in that crucial info while you're at it.
But there was nothing like that in the actual movie. And the vast majority of movie-goers didn't read Entertainment Weekly or TV Guide or anything like that. Most people were at a complete loss as to how Lois somehow got pregnant with Superman's baby without realizing it was even possible that she could have gotten pregnant with Superman's baby. Most people didn't do the required reading... because of course they didn't. It was idiotic of Singer to expect otherwise. People didn't even know there _was_ required reading.
Very true. I remember reading Empire magazine couple months before the movie was released and they said Superman Returns is meant to be set between Superman 1 & 2. So all this confusing info was terrible. Nobody had an idea exactly where it was or what had happened before. Another reason why the whole idea was just a bad decision in the first place. Poor casting, poor dialogue, muted colour grading. Just an overall depressing tone to the movie. How this was made, compared to the other more fun or action packed scripts blows my mind. Its all on Singer and his writers. They all came up with each part of it and for some reason WB accepted it. Sadly it meant we missed out on many Superman movies because of their obvious failure. As WB were too scared to fund a huge budget now.
Brandon Routh went from the weirdest Superman suit, to the Greatest One as Kingdom Come. He should play Jor-El for Corenswet.
I wouldn't call the Returns one weird personally. Updated yes. Weird nah. Cavill's one in MOS however was. It just looked dull.
Personally, I think Henry Cavill could be the DCU Jor-El since a lot of people said that David Corenswet and Henry Cavill look a lot alike and James is more of a fan of a physically younger Jor-El.
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Imagine all the past Supermen playing certain Superman related characters in the DCU like Routh as Jor El,Hoechlin as Cyborg Superman,Cavill as The Eradicater etc it would be cool callbacks
@@Kalel2.0 if I'm not wrong, didn't Christopher Reeve voice Jor-El in Smallville?
If only we could have had one film with the heart of Superman Returns and the action of Man of Steel. Maybe someday.
It certainly was not a mistake to make a sequel to the Donner films. The only mistake made was by WB at not green lighting the sequel to Returns. Instead we got the worst Superman & Superman film in Cavill & MoS.
Thank god James Gunn & David Corenswet are now on board. Hopefully we’ll get Superman back on track. At least Tyler Hoechlin has been doing it right but it’s a real shame Routh never got a sequel, he was a great Superman.
I always think it’s hilarious with these sequels that never happened “oh the sequel would have been so good, so many cool plot points and action sequences” how about putting it in the actual film then and worry about the sequel after. I can say I wrote an Oscar winning script, but it means nothing if I don’t produce the goods. This kind of thinking is what killed the snyderverse. Always had eyes on the future and not the present. I hope Gunn learns from these mistakes
Superman Returns had great moments, but wasn’t a great Superman movie. Instead of a sequel, I think people would’ve killed for a theatrical movie with Tom Welling as Superman after his incredible journey on Smallville. Reeve chose Welling as his successor and wanted him to be the next Superman for the movie before he passed.
The sequel to Superman Returns sounds very interesting, although they would’ve had to change the ending, Superman killing his own son would’ve never flied and would’ve been completely out of character.
Wish we got Superman 2 with Brandon Routh. Brandon Routh should get a Superman Kingdom Come show part of James Gunn elseworlds
Your Devils Wears Prada story doesn’t make sense as both Superman Returns and The Devil Wears Prada both released on literally the same day
Holy cow I just realized you have under 100k subs. Props to you bro. You’re videos are amazing and I know you’ll be big soon.
Thanks a ton!
When first released, I was meh about it.. but since then, this film grew on me with multiple viewings. I thought Routh played a wonderful Superman AND Clark Kent. I love the fact that they deliberately characterized the role to match that of Christopher Reeve and Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor was quite villainous.. the only thing I don't like is the length, the miscast of Kate Bosworth and some of the film's muddy cinematography. Other than that, I think its aged just fine and matter of fact, I still have the DVD and I'm about to go watch it again. Thanks!
Good introduction of Brainiac. I would have liked that plot.
2:23 "Man steel, a Biblical masterpiece"
- Brian Singer, 20 years ago.
These videos are great. In every one, we hear about a movie that sounds like it would have been amazing, and you say to yourself "Why didn't they do this?" And then, there's a sentence like "We find out that Bruce Wayne and Lois Lane had a child together," and then you're like, "Oh, THAT'S why they didn't do this."
Hahaha
1:48 Bryan Singer walking around with a cross flipping it against Vampire Execs
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Excellent video. I really enjoyed Superman Returns and felt that Routh and Spacey did an excellent job as Superman and Lex Luthor respectively. John Ottman also was fantastic in the soundtrack and working the William's themes. I would have loved to see Singer get another shot but we will see if the third time is the charm for Gunn's reboot.
4:54 Robert from the John Campea Show??
2:45 The Devil Wears Prada came out right around the time of SR. You're mixing up your chronology a bit.
I think Superman Returns had the vibe of the original Christopher Reeve Superman Franchise and it was wasn't a bad movie but it wasn't a massive blockbuster either WB should have gave Byain Singer a chance to finish his Superman Franchise. Not bring up Tim Burton But WB has a habit of this they did that to Batman Returns not that Batman Forever was that bad but as a fan of the Tim Burton Batman they should of let him finish his version of the Series before soft rebooting the franchise
Try some commas. Reading this hurt my brain.
1:48 every time WB questioned him-
“REMEMBER WHAT YOU ALMOST DID.”
Could you do “what could have been Steven Spielberg’s Indiana jones 5”?
Supposedly Short Round was to return and the story was completely different.
That sounds like it would have been an incredible movie!
very interesting story