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Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 16 "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum" | Reaction & Review!
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 16 "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum" | Reaction & Review!
Welcome back to yet another reaction to Babylon 5! Today we will be watching Season 2 Episode 16 titled "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum" - Hope you enjoy!
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
5:46 - Reaction
Who didn't just fall in love with Vir in this episode? Even if you didn't like him up till now. Everyone loved him after this. Especially for what he "wants".
this is the ep where Vir becomes a legend 🤣
Fun thing: whomever answers Morden's question is satisfied. The Shadows must make an answer happen, if they can.
G'Kar's answer didn't fit, but Vir's... Yes it does, and Morden knows it. He know's he dead. That's why when he gives the data crystal, he gives Vir the finger as well.
The part with Vir telling Morden about wanting to wave at his decapitated head has always been my very favorite moment in the series!
It really is an amazing moment showing the character growth/ development of the normally; nervous, passive, twitchy, uncertain Vir Coto!
I love it! (Plus, HIS answer to the "what do you want" question is top notch)
@@sharkdentures3247 Exactly!
So many good ones to choose from! As much as I love this my favorite is going to change from day to day based on what sort of mood I'm in. But I don't think it'll EVER not make the top five.
I have to wonder, knowing what we know about male Centauri anatomy, if the waggling fingers are the Centauri equivalent to the middle finger (Londo waves similarly during the G'Quan'Eth episode)
@@chrism7395 Dang! That's rather brilliant! I never even got CLOSE to considering THAT before!
(It's like metaphorically wagging your privates at someone, contemptuously!)
Very cool theory!
Z'Ha'Dum as in Khazad Dum, with Dum being Tolkein's Dwarven for "city". JMS was a pretty big fan of Tolkein's work, and there's a lot of little references and homages to The Lord of the Rings in the Show.
Vir has, hands down, the best response to Mr. Morden and the Shadow question.
Sheridan now knows what has kept Delenn up for the past three years, and now you know why we've all been the way we've been in the comments. Good time to think back to Signs and Portents and how Kosh confronted Mr. Morden in a dark hallway and had to have his suit repaired afterwards.
It's also Minbari word for the place, meaning "The end of future".
One detail I missed for YEARS is when Morden and Talia meet in the corridor he says "Wait" to the Shadows.
You and me both. It never occurred to me that The Shadows would blow their cover and eviscerate everyone in the hallway just because a telepath sensed them. Plus, Talia's scream and the Shadows speech obscured the line.
One of my favorite s2 episodes, we finally get to know what happened to the Icarus, that Sheridan is in fact connected to the conflict personally. And we get to see the face of the enemy, finally. Creepy...
And all the scenes people were in the same room with them, unaware.
“There comes a moment when each of us much pledge himself to something greater than himself.”
Love this episode! So much happening, and yet you feel like there’s still so much more to come!
“If you go to Za’Ha’Dum…you will die”. Sheridan’s answer to that was epic !
Sheridan asked G'Kar to choose between personal revenge and the good of his people and those words came back to bite him in this episode when Delenn calls him out on this here.
@@ianstopher9111 great point
Shadows knows who Vorlons are, releasing Morden had nothing to do with protecting the Vorlons from them and everything to do with protecting everyone else. Remember Kosh and Shadows has already collided in the first season, when they run to each other in hallway, at the end of episode they talk about Kosh suit been damaged.
To clarify and not to spoiler anything, Kosh said EVERYONE would recognize him. He meant everyone (everyone else, again Shadows knows who he is).
Great reaction, so looking forward you exploring the B5 story and mythology. Cant wait, mate. :-)
I think Delenn's explanation is the more important one here. The Shadows don't know that they are already under observation and that It is now a race to see who can prepare most quickly. 😎
It's fun seeing this through your eyes, brand new. Thank you for the experience - your first impressions and predictions are fascinating.
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the reaction!
Goose bumps episode. The reveal of the Shadows, creepy and invisible all around...Kosh revealed as the last of the first ones...the Churchill moment. Can´t see the vid that Sheridan speaks of without thinking about B5 since then.
P.S. Zack should know...there´s no such thing as a free lunch.
fun story. My missus runs large scale research trials. She names them using a B5 theme. Needless to say, trial Z'ha'dum was not a popular name lol. She did however rapidly connect with a bunch of B5 fans. In yet another trial, they needed teams. The names were obvious.. Green & Purple of course!
If you join the Z'Ha'Dum trial you will die.
Is it my imagination or does Morden's hair cut start to look like a lower class Centauri after a while? Just a SLIGHT crest?
his hair is on point
There’s a blooper from this episode where Sheridan points to the screen and says “he’s supposed to be dead “ and Ed Wasser collapses. 13:29
Dude thanks some of us gen Xer's really get the nostalgia bubbles over our heads for stiff like this
"We want a word with you" - if B5 was made in England 🤣
Remember in the season 1 episode "Signs and Portents" when Kosh confronts Morden in the corridor? "Leave this place. They are not for you. Leave. Go. Now." Kosh, as a First One, can see the Shadows who are with Morden. He wasn't just talking to Morden!
And even earlier in Deathwalker, the Vorlons warn off the Shadows. They know when The Shadows are around, even if us viewers cannot see them.
Vir! His answer to Mr. Morden's question "What do you want" is the best of them all.
aaand Sheridan has to make a choice.
I love this episode!
Excellent episode. Storylines converge, and we learn about the Shadow and their counterpart Vorlons. They are both ancient races.
So creepy, the Shadows have been walking around the station since Sign and Portents when Morden arrived. They've been in the room with you.
I remember when this 1st broadcast, everyone shouted "WHAT WAS THAT?" but there was no way to backup and see.
Some scenes deserve an instant replay.
The scene in the corridor was a definite.
Remember, the same thing happened when he went to see Delenn in season 1.
The actor who played Sheridan confirmed that the slap at 21:50 was not pretend and she really slapped him.
The one thing I liked from last week's news report was the perspective was 'we won the Minbari war'
Do you ever play games? There's one from around 10 years ago 'Mass Effect'
that feels a lot like Babylon 5.
Icarus never burned. He had made himself a set of wings which he held together with wax. This melted, his wings destroyed he fell back to Earth.
Icarus flew too near the sun
Into the blue his red wax did run
He fell to the earth and sealed the scroll
The daredevil angels unknown would unfold
They are the only ones
The chosen only ones
They are the only ones who are free
@@ianstopher9111 Hawklords!
A bit about the Coventry story - there's no actual evidence that they knew Coventry was a target from the decodes; they had codename for locations but (probably) no idea what those codenames meant. At the time of the Coventry raid it was illegal to organise evacuations without permission because Westminster was worried that it would start a panic and would be counter to their narrative that the RAF was holding off the Luftwaffe.
In my home city a local councillor called Bill Miller was reprimanded for commandeering buses and lorries to get women and children out of the city. He was vindicated shortly afterwards when government policy was changed to allow evacuations. He led a pretty amazing life; son of a freed slave, awarded British Empire Medal, OBE and CBE after the war. He also refused to be appointed Lord Mayor because it'd prevent him from being involved with organising prefab housing to people made homeless and remained a local councillor until the late 60s.
What made the Coventry raid so devastating was that the Germans had a new radar guidance system, which the British hadn't yet worked out how to counter.
STRAP IN !!
I just find it amusing that adults who grew up with Harry Potter as their lesson in the emergence of fascism watch Babylon 5 and see the earlier, more comprehensive depiction of the same phenomenon. So glad to see B5 get rediscovered by so many in this last year.
You do hear zahadoom mentioned by jacar at the end of season one. It's the world that the non sent a ship to explore and Londo sold them out, so the shadows ambushed it.
* Z'Ha'Dum * G'Kar * Narn *
Looks like voice to text
Voice to text with no-one bothering to double check it before posting it.
As many answers as this episode gave, it raised five more. We rewatched the episode twice almost immediately after, just to make sure we were catching all the details. It's a heavy, dense episode; but it doesn't drag or disappoint. It is one of the top five episodes of the season, if for no other reason than the fact that the backbone Londo was trying to grow in Vir finally bloomed.
One of my favourite episodes. Awesome. 🙃
The Narn are Coventry.
You are starting to get into the good stuff!
WHAM! Not only do we have the big A story, but the whole Ministry of Peace B story and some Franklin and Ivanova 'reflected gods' C story.
That’s not what the story of Icarus and Daedalus is about.
*Sigh* Khazad Dum is the Dwarven name for Moria in Lord Of The Rings! You hereby have your nerd credentials revoked if that wasn't the first thing the name made you think of... ;-)
That Vir moment where he lets Morden know exactly what he thinks is one of my favourite Vir scenes. It might be the first time you get the sense of how much more he is than the buffoon you see in the first few episodes of the show.
I'd love to know how some of your friends would respond to bits of this episode - Sheridan is basically the definition of police brutality here, you have the Nightwatch come in... What parallels people see is going to depend a lot on their background. The Sheridan thing is fascinating because we as the audience have details that make us trust him, but if you don't have that, it looks like Morden is being coerced in to some sort of confession.
The slap that Talia gave Sheridan was a bit more real than intended! It caught the crew off guard with how hard it was, Andrea Thompson got 'a bit' in to the scene.
On a scale of 1-10, how do you rate your chances of rewatching this series? It's amazing how skilfully the details are seeded, like Z'Ha'Dum being mentioned by G'Kar
Vir may seem to be a buffoon but he is anything but that! Rewatch scale is a high 10! I can't wait to re-watch the entire show when I'm finished and see how it changes the way I see the show!
Another banger of an episode..... Morden will see you now....
YES!!!
Now a JUICY Episode!
It is spelled 'dum' but is pronounced doom
JR must be really feeling kind of Z’ Ha Dumb after mispronouncing it Numerous times , although the name Does sound like it’s related to the Narns - perhaps it’s a long lost colony of theirs though, only his further viewings of the show will tell!
Ffs he's this far into the series and he's STILL saying Babyline 5! BabyLON! Its not hard!
Don't talk over the important dialogue. You can still hear it in your phones, but you drown it out for us. Pause if you have something longer to say.
It’s a reaction - go watch the full episode if you need to
@@dug3569 True, but at the same time, if he'd curb a fraction of his incessant - but endearingly enthusiastic - babble, he would spend far less time furrowing his brow over questions that have already been answered. The poor fellow stumbles down enough blind alleys as it is.
@@genghispecan 😂
@@genghispecan Oh dear.
Stop saying za ha dumb😂 try za ha doom