Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 19 "Divided Loyalties" | Reaction & Review!
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 19 "Divided Loyalties" | Reaction & Review!
Welcome back to yet another reaction to Babylon 5! Today we will be watching Season 2 Episode 19 titled "Divided Loyalties" - Hope you enjoy!
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
6:14 - Reaction 
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The raven represents Susan's telepathic ability, and it showed Kosh knew she was a telepath
Watching you gush over the Sheridan/Delenn scene is one of the SWEETEST things I have EVER seen. What you are watching is a completely pure relationship developing and evolving from their first glance at each other, back at the start of this season, to now. I have never seen such a beautiful depiction of a burgeoning romance as theirs. Seeing your reaction to this warms my heart.
As per the 'Red Book' the original plan would have seen Laurel Takashima from the pilot being both the one with the implanted personality and the one who shot Garibaldi in the back at the end of season 1. Susan would have been slowly introduced in the background throughout the season and after Laurel was exposed would have taken over her job as the second in command.
To me it felt like BSG season one "borrowed" this twist. Moore probably didn't directly nick it - the Manchurian Candidate concept is nothing new, after all. But it feel like it plays how B5 would have done if Tamlyn Tomita had stayed on.
Patricia Tallman, who plays Lyta, used to be married to Jeffrey Willerth who was the actor inside the Kosh suit (Ardwight Chamberlain provided the voice).
An the strings are starting to get tied. WWE is going to totally blow his mind. With all the strings in a beautiful bow
Can't wait for the Blu-ray boxset in December!
This episode basically wraps up the Bureau 13 plotline as well, for the most part.
Not that some of their machinations may not have continued, but they were never directly addressed again.
In part this was because the name 'Bureau 13' was already being used by another project, leading to a rights dispute. So if they were revisited, the name would have to change.
Uuugh, so many people leaving comments that "she wanted out". Seriously, stop making it sound so acrimonius. Andrea Thompson worked on other shows during B5 which is why she's not in every episode. She was offered better roles for more money including moving towards a journalism career which was something she wanted to do longterm. She spoke to the shows creators about more money to counter the offers but she was a side character who couldn't really command that level of screen time or wages. It was clear that her career was moving into different areas and they decided to go for a "killed off" option because Patricia Tallman was able to return and take up the role that Talia was meant to fill in the story. That's it.
JMS said that his biggest regret was not being able to finish the "relationship" arc but also has said that after Michael O'Hare left fairly suddenly after season 1, he started planning "trapdoor escapes" for all of the main cast incase someone else wanted to leave.
I think you are reading too much into the comments. She wanted out vs she was forced out. That's all.
This episode illustrates the brilliance of Straczynski as a writer. He anticipated that, at any time, an actor might become unavailable, so he wrote "trap doors" for them to exit the show without negatively affecting the story. Andrea Thompson (Talia) is a total nutcase and decided mid-season she wanted out. Joe was able to accommodate her.
The situation is basically the same as Boomer on BSG. I love Lyta Alexander. The actress Pat Tallman is mainly an unsung heroine covered in latex doing stunt work. She did lead the 1990 remake of Night of the living dead.
Lyta is also only "just a contract worker" for Babylon 5 (and I do mean the character) ...
When I first watched this episode I had no idea who the double agent was,
Even though their was clues,
I was recording on my VCR, and at the exact moment when the password was transmitted my old TV glitched, from some interference,
For years I thought the glitch was an effect on the show, until I watched a copy without the glitch.
The glitch was timed so well I think it actually added some shock factor.
Let's talk abandoned plot threads. When Sheridan asked if Garibaldi's second in command, who shot him in the back in season 1, might have been the sleeper, that was a reference to something similar to the original plan. The first officer in the pilot episode, Laurel Takashima, was originally supposed to be the sleeper. This is evidenced by a shot in the pilot of a hand going up to unlock a door, and the screen confirms that the hand belonged to her. She was also intended to be the one who would shoot Garibaldi in the back in the season 1 finale. However, plans changed when she didn't join the main cast.
The second version of the plan was referenced with the flashbacks to Kosh and Abbut. Kosh knew about the fake personality and was using Abbut to create a backup of the real Talia's personality so that when the sleeper agent was activated, he could pull out the data crystal that had the backup of her mind on it and restore her. Unfortunately, the actress playing Talia wanted to leave the show... so, unfortunately, this never happened. Andrea Thompson joined CNN not long after this.
An episode no one back in the day expected, losing Talia like this is sad. But That's how it is. The actress wanted out.
@Gimil38 Most not have been too terrible considering they were able to literally physically act with one another in that reveal.
@@OpenMawProductions they were married at least through season 3, because Andrea Thompson mentioned helping Jerry Doyle to the hospital when he got injured filming one of the season 3 episodes (if you know which one I'm talking about)
@Gimil38 No, I understand that. I'm saying it must not have been too terrible if they were able to put it aside to physically interact with one another in that scene. Literally hands on. Bad break ups tend to negate that kind of handsy interaction.
Jerry also spent some time at Bruce's place.
@Gimil38 Jerry and Andrea were still married when she left B5. According to Patricia's book, Jerry and Andrea were on good terms when she returned for this episode. Andrea was also supportive of Patricia's return to the show. Andrea wanted to leave because Talia wasn't getting enough screen time.
I have heard Andrea Thompson left the show because she was married to Jerry Doyle (Garibaldi) this marriage was over and they couldn t work together any longer
Motorbutt was the most adorable scene ever
Those two who enter the garden are Abbai.
That was a lucky guess. There was no deductive reasoning involved.
I always sort of thought Ironheart could have seen this and disabled the sleeper personality.
Babyline 5 is just warming up.
Dont indulge him ...
The species that died was the Markab.
"I knew it was Talia" Yes, you said it, several times. In spite of the deception with Ivanova.
"Will we ever see what a Vorlon looks like?" Hmmm, I am afraid I can't tell you, because ... ...
Be seeing you!
What is inside Kosh's suit is one of those great universal mysteries, which will either never be explained or which would drive you mad if you leaned the truth.
"No one here is exactly what he appears" ;)
You saw the outcome from minute one!
Wish theyed fleshed out the Ivanova-Talia romance. Actress who played Talia was wed to the actor who played Garibaldi at one point.
The reason Lyta reacted when she scanned Ivanova was not anything mysterious, remember, she commented "She's Blocking me !?!", she had to push harder to get the codeword delivered, and it affected her when she stopped. Anyway, regarding cosh's appearance, You are still in Season 2, of 5 seasons, anything can happen within 3 seasons. (That is all I am saying).
Yes, another big surprise reveal in this one -- your face seems to say it all
This episode hit me hard, honestly. Wish Andrea wanted to stay with the show.
It’s funny - I can’t stand Andrea or her acting so I was unbelievably glad they got rid of her
@@chrisnielsen9885 yeah, I can understand where you’re coming from, she’s not everyone’s favourite. And her acting is average at best, I agree. But, I always felt like we were robbed of some great character stuff because she left. Joe obviously had cool plans for the character.
@@chrisfraser5088 I think the problem was she was badly miscast for the role. It’s as if she hadn’t realised she was in a science fiction show and was acting like she was a mom in a Hallmark special or something. I never liked the sort of energy she brought to the role either. Pat does such a better job as a telepath
@@chrisnielsen9885 I think you said it perfectly! Horribly miscasted. I always liked the concept of Andrea’s character more, but Pat does such a better job with Lyta, it’s no contest 👍
The episode that broke my heart. Also the couple that helped early teen me realize that I was probably queer. (Disaster queer: origins). You have amazing intuition for things that blindsided me as a kid!
Apparently Andrea Thompson wanted out of B5 because she was unhappy with the amount of screen time the character of Talia was getting.
She was also married to Jerry Doyle at the time but they would divorce not long after this.
No, she was getting better offers from other shows and serious news reporting jobs. She asked about more money and more screentime to counter the offers but she was never going to have that much of a role in the story. They wrote her out because she was moving on to other things and even had she been available later, the story needed a telepath for the next season.
You really should be able to pronounce Ivanova correctly by now. 🙄
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